On Beyoncé’s Best Country Album Grammy for “Cowboy Carter”

Unequivocally, Beyoncé told us herself about her 2024 album Cowboy Carter, “This ain’t a country album.”
But apparently, Grammy voters disagree.
It was a very mediocre showing for Beyoncé during the Grammy pre-telecast ceremony on Sunday (2-2). She she lost three of the four awards she was nominated for in country and roots categories, as well as suffering losses in multiple other genre categories. But it didn’t seem to much matter when she walked away with the 2025 Grammy for Best Country Album just after 8 pm on the televised portion of the awards.
In many respects, the real story of the 2025 Grammy Awards in country music feels like it should be Sierra Ferrell, even though she didn’t win a single country Grammy, and didn’t even make it on the evening telecast. What she did do is sweep all the American Roots song categories in country’s cousin genre, as well as win Best Americana Album for 2024’s Trail of Flowers, making her a very rare 4-time Grammy winner all on the same day.
The country song Grammys that were given out earlier in the day didn’t include the same electricity, surprise, suspense, and buzz as the roots categories did due to Sierra, and didn’t even include a lot of controversy to stir conversation. Instead they felt incredibly predictable, though the winners were not necessarily undeserving.
Chris Stapleton won Best Country Solo Performance for his song “It Takes A Woman.” It’s a fine song from Stapleton, and definitely a great performance, but hard to claim as defining of the country genre over the last year or so. As a favorite of awards shows, any time Stapleton is nominated, he’s always the front runner, and his win can’t surprise anybody.
Best Country Song went to Kacey Musgraves and her co-writer Shane McAnally for “The Architect.” Though it’s easily the greatest song from Kacey’s latest album Deeper Well, it also doesn’t feel like a song that defines country music in 2024, or the best of what the genre had to offer. But “The Architect” is well-written, and worst songs could have won. Similar to Stapleton, Musgraves is an awards show and Grammy darling, and her win can’t surprise anyone. If anything, it was again a boring, uneventful pick.
Beyoncé’s early win for Best Country Duo/Group Performance with Miley Cyrus on “II Most Wanted” gave Queen Bey the country Grammy she’d been craving. But Beyoncé was also denied the sweep of the country categories that she very well could have pulled off. She was nominated in all four country categories, as well as Best Americana Performance for “Ya Ya,” which she lost to Sierra Ferrell’s “American Dreaming.”
Beyoncé was nominated for a field-leading 11 Grammy awards going into Grammy Sunday 2025, but was losing left and right. Until she didn’t. Beyoncé winning Best Country Album meant her taking the biggest prize in country music for an album that she says unequivocally isn’t.
As Beyoncé she said in her speech, echoing numerous inferences on her Cowboy Carter album, “I think sometimes genre is a code word to keep us in our place as artists.”
But that is the reason for genre-specific Grammy categories. They are there to make sure pop stars worth $800 million dollars who are married to billionaires can’t come in and abscond with attention meant for performers who don’t feel like genre is something to “keep them in their place,” but instead feel it’s something to honor and respect.
There are Grammy awards for albums, artists, and songs that defy genre. It’s called pop. The point of genre specific categories is to highlight works that adhere to the respective genres.
As much as Beyoncé’s win for Best Country Album will be celebrated, it knocks every little girl and boy who grew up wanting to be a country star and devoted their lives to the genre one notch down. It robs the genre of an opportunity to fete a performer who will be in the country genre next year, and the year after, and the year after that. It sets a dubious precedent that if you simply declare yourself “country” (or in Beyoncé’s case, you don’t), you can win a country Grammy.
Beyoncé’s Cowboy Carter was a commercial disaster. It fell to #50 in the albums charts in just 13 weeks, and out of the Billboard 200 completely after 28 weeks—staggering numbers for Billboard‘s recently-named “Pop Star of the Century.” But the media and Beyoncé Stans successfully launched a canard that Cowboy Carter was country, and a great album, despite nobody listening to it.
Ultimately though, it might not much matter. The Grammy Awards will take a big credibility hit with country fans. But the true story in country music continues to be the resurgence of actual country artists, actual country sounds, and meaningful songwriting. Beyoncé is simply an epiphenomenal anomaly with little lasting effect.
Cowboy Carter‘s Best Country Album win wasn’t earned, it was compelled. With a gun to its head, Grammy voters did what they had to do to ensure the institution wasn’t called racist. And even though it’s a big win for Beyoncé, it feels like a bad loss for all genres that try to present the unadulterated expressions of culture that come from all people of all races and walks of life, and that go into presenting the brilliant tapestry that is American music.
Some will celebrate what this means for diversity in country music. But in truth, it represents the death of diversity in music. When the same artist worth $800 million can win Grammy Awards in pop, hip-hop, R&B, dance, and EDM, it represents the widening of the gulf between the have’s and the have not’s, and how an elite level of performers can walk away with all the spoils, especially since Beyoncé would go on to also win the all-genre Grammy for Album of the Year.
Country does have a race problem, both historically, and today. But if it is ever going to solve that problem, it has to grow artists from within. Those artists also must be country, not imported from pop. Then and only then will a win by a Black woman for Best Country Album have meaning.
Until then, all of this is just a big distraction from the things that matter, and overshadows artists who worked their lives to scale the mountain, and did by celebrating the modes of country and roots music as opposed to trying to defy them—artists like Sierra Ferrell, who despite being relegated to the pre-telecast presentation and the “American Roots” Grammy categories, is the true winner in country music in 2025. Because her wins weren’t compelled. They were earned.
– – – – – – – –
If you enjoyed this article, consider leaving Saving Country Music A TIP.
February 2, 2025 @ 8:26 pm
Post Malone and Lainey Wilson were nominated too. Its not that serious. It was an interesting album, which is more than the other nominees could claim, and it was good, more than anyone aside from Chris Stapleton could claim.
February 3, 2025 @ 1:45 pm
The Grammy’s really don’t know what to do with the Country Genre. Best Album is won with a pop record (that has some country tracks on it TBF). Best Country song is won by a mediocre Folk song.
Its both passing over the most commercially successful work in the genre by the likes of Morgan Wallen and Shaboozey, and ignoring the highest quality work in the genre which is generally covered by this blog.
I’m delighted Sierra Ferrell won 4 Grammy’s and the exposure she’ll get for that number, but at the same time she was able to do so because of the weird slicing and dicing of sub-genres in the roots categories. One award for the Album and one for the song American Dreaming would be enough.
I’d like the Grammy’s to rethink the whole catergorization of the Country field. Independent Country shouldn’t have to be classified as Americana to get recognition. As much as I dislike it, I think Pop Country should have its own category as its a hugely popular and was basically snubbed at this ceremony.
February 3, 2025 @ 2:17 pm
Commercial country or a pop country category would be ok I guess, but I’m not sure that solves it. Beyonce still wins that category then the country category just becomes Americana. I say just award the best country categories without worrying about commercial success. It would be nice if the winners were actually country though, I’m not sure how you’d enforce that though, especially the way the Grammys are set up.
Post Malone, Lainey Wilson and Chris Stapleton were all nominated, and the other country categories were pretty well represented by commercially popular artists it looks like. To be honest though I am just taking guess on what is and isn’t commercially popular. The only time I hear pop country is like at my bank.
February 3, 2025 @ 2:20 pm
If you think that they should be awarding separate Grammys for country and “pop country” and Americana, well, Trig’s got a whole Dewey decimal system of addtional country categories that they could also cite.
(I’m not into rap or hip-hop, but I’m sure that the fans and writers who are into that can also slice and dice it into umpteen categories.)
As much as people like to rip the Awards shows, I don’t think that creating ever-more narrower award catefories would be an improvement. As it is,they give out way more awards than anyone can pay attention to.
February 3, 2025 @ 4:19 pm
NARAS doesn’t know what to do with a lot of genres. Tenacious D won more Grammys for their covers of Dio songs than Dio ever won for his own versions of those songs.
February 2, 2025 @ 8:29 pm
Great points. Hopefully the people who do the voiting are shown this, or other articles with a similar sentiment, but I doubt that will be the case.
February 2, 2025 @ 8:41 pm
It was good news for Sierra Ferrell to win her four Grammys; and it was a great thing for the artists in attendance to not just honor those in their presence but also the people who were on the front lines of the two massive firestorms that for all intents and purposes incinerated Pacific Palisades and Altadena.
Back to Beyonce: I’ve said it a lot that, while Beyonce may have said time and time again to the general public that COWBOY CARTER wasn’t a country album, by not asking her “Beyhive” to do likewise, she was basically giving them silent license to claim that it was. It is what it is, and I’m pretty sure the extremists on both sides are just blowing their heads off.
In terms of growing homegrown talent in country from the African-American community, I can name at least two of note, Rhiannon GIddens and Mickey Guyton; and there are likely more than a few others. In my opinion, however, absent any real, honest effort from the Nashville establishment to look at the quality work these artists do straight in the face, it’s going to continue to have this problem; and all of the bitching about so-called “DEI” and “woke culture” that gets made here is going to do nothing but reinforce the age-old cliches about the country genre’s bigotry, real or imagined.
February 2, 2025 @ 10:21 pm
Stoney Edwards are due for a re-discovery. In my opinion, he was better than most of them, back then.
But he recorded stone cold country at a time where Dolly, Conway, Barbra Mandrell etc. did the best they could to wipe out the traditional sound for good, so the odds did him a disfavor from the start.
February 3, 2025 @ 7:22 am
Stoney was that generation’s hard-core country singer who was too country for country music.
The cycle repeats every ten years.
February 3, 2025 @ 10:28 am
Dale Watson and Wylie Gustafson comes to mind, too country (and even western) for the mid-90’s crowd.
Dale sadly turned into a parody in recent years, with too many sloppy albums under his leather vest.
February 3, 2025 @ 5:30 pm
“Cowboy” Jack Clement cut some great sides on Stoney, not all released. He had Indian blood also. A terrific singer, I prefer to O.B. McClinton, Charley Pride, Club Francis.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:57 pm
The Clement recordings are available on the web, but to be able to listen to them, we must become criminals and spend the rest of our life looking over our shoulders for the FBI’s SWAT team.
Some of the songs are very good, but a bit on the Nashpop side. Stoney’s vocals remains as country as country can be, of course.
Poor Stoney. White, black and red and not accepted by any of them. (His own words).
February 7, 2025 @ 7:46 am
Stoney was traditional country as it gets, I worked with him on international tours, what goes around comes around, I hope he get the recognition that he richly deserves.
February 7, 2025 @ 7:32 am
Hello Sofus. I totally agree with you concerning Stoney Edward’s, my country band( The Muskrats) outta the UK did international tours as Stoney’s backing band during the 70s. He was stone cold country always in the shadow of Charlie Pride, I had some great sit down chats with him in many hotel bars, I could see and hear the slight bitterness in his voice at times concerning those idiots at Capitol records, he was a great traditional country singer that the Nashville system let down. I’m trying to get in touch with his son Ken, if anyone on here has his contact details I would appreciate it.cheers, I’m on Facebook as Jeff boy.
February 7, 2025 @ 10:41 am
Hello, Jeff!
I can’t find anything about Ken (the son) online, unless he’s responsible for this channel on YouTube, highlighting Stoney. Trigger usually won’t allow links, but I hope he let this one through, one way or another (Link; https://m.youtube.com/@tucreed ), or search for “tucreed stoney edwards” on YouTube.
You should be able to find an email adfress or such on his profile page.
As much as I like and respect Charley Pride, I never considered him a traditionalist like Stoney. Pride fell victim to the Nashville Sound (not that it did him any harm). And Charley was a perfect poster boy; a smooth voice, humble, attractive, a former athlete, that boyish grin. Easy to sell. But Stoney looked and sounded like the pure working man he was, and all the more authentic in my opinion. One of the best voices country had, because he sang convincing even in his novelity ditties.
As the other fella says, he was too country for country. I’m glad he found an audience in Europe, where traditional country was and still is cherished. I understand Stoney’s bitterness very well, having to watch these pinup girls and boys getting all the attention he so richly deserved. He’s probably one of the reasons Asleep at the Wheel got a name, too, as they acted as his backing band early on.
Feel free to share some stories with us. Heck, Trigger should do a feature on Stoney and the Muskrats’ adventures.
Glad you peeped in, and thank you for supporting Stoney back then!
Praise for you and the band, sir!
February 2, 2025 @ 8:41 pm
DEI Country
February 2, 2025 @ 10:16 pm
DEI country’s been a trend ever since the early 1960’s.
February 3, 2025 @ 1:15 am
Go salute Elon.
And then go online and learn where country music originated.
Such a funny thing to be openly racist now that you have the Nazi government you always wanted.
February 3, 2025 @ 6:03 am
I was actually a jazz minor in college and worked for the main jazz magazine in New Orleans. That must make your head explode. There is a difference between talent at something regardless of skin color and being hoisted up because of skin color over others with more talent (which in itself is racist). Children accuse everything they don’t like of being a Nazi. I can tell you don’t own a mirror.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:37 am
Calling anyone a DEI hire at this time purely because of her skin color, which is obviously the only reason you chose that term, is a racist term and acting like it isn’t is f#cking disingenuous.
Also your claim to authority is as close to “But I have black friends” so now my head didn’t explode. I still think you are a piece of shit for the words you chose and doubling down afterwards.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:04 am
You seem angry. Perhaps you should work on that. Thanks for making me smile though! I love liberal tears. So. Much. Winning…. in the last 10 days. Have a wonderful day.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:08 am
I am angry.
100%.
It seems you were unable to react on topic and went with the classic liberal tears bs. I am not crying, I am fuming that nazis like you feel comfortable enough to spew your hatred.
February 3, 2025 @ 3:34 pm
What exactly are we “winning” in the past ten days you fucking dolt?
February 3, 2025 @ 6:29 pm
“Calling anyone a DEI hire at this time purely because of her skin color”
Translation: “DEI isn’t happening, and you’re a Nazi if you aren’t glad that it is!”
February 3, 2025 @ 9:22 am
I don’t know if you’re racist, and don’t care. If she was white with the same music would you call it DEI? Probably not, but again, it doesn’t really matter. What I do get a kick out of is “I was a jazz minor in college”. I played basketball. Just think of the shit I can get away with.
February 3, 2025 @ 6:32 pm
“If she was white with the same music would you call it DEI?”
Maybe. Some white women benefit from DEI in the corporate world. It’s a hierarchy though.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:29 am
Bringing DEI into this makes you an idiot whatever your background. Whether or not you understand music you don’t understand DEI and how misplaced that point is. It’s also laughable since Jelly Roll was nominated at well. That shit is no more country than Beyonce but at least “Get Carter” was actually half decent rather than total dreck.
February 3, 2025 @ 6:35 pm
John,
You’re happy that DEI exists, but get pouty when people point out that it’s happening. Choose one.
February 3, 2025 @ 7:00 am
Don’t overdo it, man…
February 3, 2025 @ 7:22 am
Country music originated in the British Isles.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:57 am
No. “Country” is what we got when African Americans influenced the music. No blues no Jimmy Rogers.
February 3, 2025 @ 1:43 pm
No British Isles, no country music.
The Appalachian factor developed without the blues.
February 3, 2025 @ 2:36 pm
No, Black people influenced Appalachian music as well. They brought in the banjo and began to influence American folk music even before the Civil War because Minstrel shows with white people pretending to play like them was a hugely popular source of entertainment. You claim is simply lacking accurate knowledge of history.
February 3, 2025 @ 6:40 pm
“No, Black people influenced Appalachian music as well. They brought in the banjo and began to influence American folk music even before the Civil War because Minstrel shows with white people pretending to play like them was a hugely popular source of entertainment. You claim is simply lacking accurate knowledge of history.”
John,
How does it benefit you to repeat this stuff? We have the whole world at our fingertips, yet here you are, repeating verifiably false and repeatedly debunked claims. I’m pretty sure even Trigger has debunked this stuff, and that’s saying something.
Anecdotally, I’m from the Ozarks, and I don’t recall ever seeing a black person until I was 10. I assume Appalachia is even more isolated.
You’ve gotta stop this stuff, man.
February 4, 2025 @ 1:07 am
Feel like it’s important context that most of us who’ve ever lived on a “British Isle” consider “Take a swan dive off a bonfire, ye useless orange [prick]” the appropriate response to that phrase.
Typical mural from that lot:
https://www.anphoblacht.com/files/images/620/2014/pg10-122.jpg
February 4, 2025 @ 7:53 am
I used “British Isles” as a common geographical term, not trying to spark another Easter Uprising!
I suppose Oliver Cromwell is still a boogeyman. To my British ancestors, he was a hero. To the victor goes the spoils.
Irish Country Music rocks.
So does The Orange & The Green.
February 5, 2025 @ 7:16 am
holy moly. he’s a cromwell simp too.
February 5, 2025 @ 3:13 pm
Cromwell was a great general.
The Irish messed around and found out.
February 3, 2025 @ 7:45 am
Ha, we’ve got another gentile/interstate daydreamer clone.
February 3, 2025 @ 7:52 am
Okay… If you would have looked further than your outstretched right arm then you would have seen that I have been a long time regular on these boards.
Unfortunately I guess the small number of antiracists is still too large for your puny brain.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:19 am
I can just imagine you sitting there behind your PC, Che Guevara poster on the wall, nose ring, patting yourself on the back for fighting Nazis. So cute, living in your little fantasy world.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:09 am
Said the Nazi online.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:16 am
Danny,
I would love to hear your perspective on the Beyonce win, including if you disagree with mine or anyone else’s. That’s what this comments section is for. The back and forth name calling just bogs down the comments, and doesn’t do anyone any good.
That goes for everyone else too. Share your opinions. Calling everyone Nazi’s or DEI does nothing.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:29 am
And again, Trig having no issue what the racism and only reacting to those opposing it.
February 6, 2025 @ 3:39 pm
You sound incredibly close minded, Danny boy. And just like the rest of the lefty circe jerk in the comments section you never ever give a substantive response.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:57 am
This one isn’t even entertaining.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:36 am
I still think they are all the same person.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:09 am
The art of trolling is lost on me. Definitely.
February 3, 2025 @ 3:38 pm
Beyonce is a waste of air and sure as Hell doesn’t fit in Country of any way. She is going to bring her nudity and trashy attitude with her. If she had any talent besides stripping she hasn’t shown it.
February 3, 2025 @ 3:37 pm
And once again, Kyle responds to the people calling out the racists, not the racists themselves. Why am I not surprised.
It’s a recurring theme with Kyle.
February 3, 2025 @ 3:49 pm
And once again, you’re bitching about how comments are moderated, ignoring half the time when people on the right are moderated first, or their comments are outright deleted, and you never see them. And since you and others keep blowing through the stop signs, we’re close to having to shut this comments section down, which would be a shame.
So please, give your opinions on this important topic, and quit trading back and forth insults. That goes for everyone. Because I would like to keep this comments section open for dissent.
February 4, 2025 @ 1:10 am
Man, the last Isbell review descended into folks ranting about the evils of miscegenation with nary a word on your end.
“I only let the normal racist shit through” isn’t the excuse you think it is.
February 4, 2025 @ 12:53 pm
He just moderated a comment I made, leaving out the first few not-so-liberal sentences
That’s ok, it’s his place. Me and Kyle often disagree (I’m one of the “Wet Blanket Guys”, watch out for our new single “Take a Cold Shower and Reconsider Your Idols”), but not for a second would I downtalk his efforts with this site, probably the only site of this kind who’s not kissing up to the commercial big shots.
I’ve read this “blog” for years, and Kyle seems like a pretty normal fella to me. Not alt right, not alt left, but reasonably normal.
Unless you live your life online, you’ll find that most people are reasonable normal on most topics.
To quote the great George Carlin; “Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don’t have time for all that.”
Kyle does a great job with this site. We disagree with him now and then, as people do, that doesn’t mean we dislike him in any way. Rather the opposite. He even allows us all to comment bull here.
That counts for something in these censored times, too.
February 4, 2025 @ 12:33 pm
Probably the same guy, all of “them”.
Busy giving himself upvotes.
February 3, 2025 @ 6:27 pm
“And then go online and learn where country music originated.”
Hi Danny,
Are you one of those silly upper middle class suburban white people who pretend like your ancestors had nothing going for them until they brought the slaves over?
February 4, 2025 @ 1:42 am
Your America first attitude extends to the internet as well I guess.
February 4, 2025 @ 7:02 am
Lil Danny,
Serious question…. Don you pee sitting down?
February 4, 2025 @ 9:36 am
Who is Don?
February 5, 2025 @ 3:12 pm
America First is a reasonable stance for an American citizen.
If anything, it should be required.
February 6, 2025 @ 2:04 am
“For an American citizen” and there you have it. You guys are so up your own asses that you seem to believe that everyone you meet online and speaks to you in your own language is from the USA.
We are not.
Imagine speaking to a small child and trying to get a point across. That is what speaking to a lot of Americans is like for us Europeans.
February 6, 2025 @ 7:45 am
You Europeans should be more worried about being overrun by migrants.
You guys talk tough for a continent that needed America to bail you out against the Germans. Twice. And protect you from the Soviets. And still needs our NATO money because most of your countries won’t pay the required share.
Europe’s star faded away. Cultural genocide caused it. Tis a shame.
February 6, 2025 @ 9:08 am
All the talking points, huh? Good job amplifying that nonsense.
You are aware that the USA didn’t bail us out and showed up for the last part of a war that Russia was winning on the Eastern front already?
You are aware that the USA had a financial interest in joining the war?
You are aware that NATO is a net gain for the USA?
You are aware that immigrants enrich our culture and that we are in no way being overrun?
You are aware that our star is doing just fine and your idiot government is actually making it shine brighter in its utter incompetence?
Get out of your bubble.
No wait, stay in it. We have no need for you.
February 6, 2025 @ 11:25 am
So Danny is a European. The continent where they’ve copied everything from the US since ’45. Including George Floyd protests and transgender madness. EU countries can’t make their own policies, because they’ve signed over all power to Brussels bureaucrats. They don’t control their own borders and have no intention to protect their culture and native population against illegal immigrants(sounds familiar eh?) and islam. They’ve got great history, but globalists are running it into the ground.
So get off your high horse, pal. Everybody knows that you are the old world and complicit in your own destruction.
Country Side of Harmonica Sam is great, thought.
February 6, 2025 @ 11:57 am
^What a social media education gets you.
Probably never left his state.
February 4, 2025 @ 12:57 pm
Our family got rich by importing african slaves bought from arabian merchants.
Danny knows this.
February 7, 2025 @ 7:13 am
You vote for people who think men can be women. You are a fool.
February 7, 2025 @ 8:21 am
You voted out of fear and hatred for 1.14% of your people. You have been sold a lie and now an unelected South African Oligarch has access to your private data and is making decisions about government contacts while having some of the largest government while your president is making his rich friends even richer and you have to bear the costs for this.
Good job, you were the useful idiot they were looking for.
Also, no I didn’t, because where I live we have no such issue.
Transpeople where the scapegoat to get you worked up about a non-issue and it worked so well that you voted against your own best interest.
February 7, 2025 @ 8:22 am
*government contracts
February 7, 2025 @ 8:26 am
Any further comments anywhere on this article not related to this article and solely of a political nature will immediately be deleted. Final warning. This is a MUSIC website.
February 7, 2025 @ 2:57 pm
At least a trans person won the Grammy for the best country album this year.
That must be worth something.
February 8, 2025 @ 3:12 am
Again Trig not following through when the shit comes from racist aholes
February 3, 2025 @ 8:59 am
kacey Musgraves isn’t a country artist either, her music is indie pop. The reason you’re angry is that you’re a dumb racist. And I’d bet anything you’re a mediocre white man who has done nothing with his life and needs someone else to blame. Put your hood on and sink back into the shadows Five and Dimer
February 3, 2025 @ 11:40 am
If you have to resort to name calling, you have lost an argument. If you care to debate the merits of my statement, by all means lets. I’ll start. Beyonce is signed to Sony Music. Here is Sony Musics statement on DEI initiatives. Feel free to refute me intelligently and without names-
https://www.sonymusic.com/diversity-equity-inclusion/
It may shock you to know I am all for equality on all counts. The best should be able to rise to the top no matter who they are. Do you believe Beyonce deserved this Grammy, or are other forces at play?
February 3, 2025 @ 12:19 pm
Name calling and pointing out a truth are different things but maybe you have brain damage ?
She absolutely deserved that Grammy yes. But feel free to post YOUR music and see how it compares. You ARE a racist . That’s an observation not name calling
February 3, 2025 @ 12:52 pm
So you accuse me of being something you disdain- a white male. Wouldn’t that make you both a racist and a misandrist? Wouldn’t your beliefs we should put one race in front of another instead of having a system based on merit alone, qualify you as a racist? I’m not the racist here but I am talking to one. You people crack me up. Thanks for the laugh.
No she didn’t deserve it. It’s not even country. Bigger forces were at play. Most of us can actually see the forest for the trees….
February 3, 2025 @ 3:38 pm
“If you have to resort to name calling, you have lost an argument.”
The whole thread started with you name-calling, you dumb piece of shit.
February 4, 2025 @ 3:26 am
Wait, I thought DEI was a positive thing? But when somebody says DEI Country it’s considered an insult?
And for once, try answering without calling me a nazi or dumb POS.
February 4, 2025 @ 6:21 am
Oh, Stevie.
If you’re this in your feelings about being called a dumb piece of shit, maybe you should try not acting like one?
February 4, 2025 @ 8:14 am
Ah, I see you let the ‘cool lester’ answer this one. Here’s another user name for you: Isbell’s left nut.
See if you can answer this without insults: what is your favourite country artist, past and present?
As I’m in good spirits, I’ll start: Hank and Ray Scott.
February 5, 2025 @ 3:50 pm
I never called anyone any names. DEI Country was an observation on the state of music and the reason for an award. No individual got called anything. But thanks for calling me as POS. Calling names means you have no real argument, which you seem intent on proving to the world over and over. Have a great day.
February 6, 2025 @ 1:15 pm
Oh my god… this is hilarious “I never meant my newest racial slur as an insult but you calling me out on it hurt my feefees!!!”
February 2, 2025 @ 9:01 pm
Exactly. This narrative will keep being pushed. But artists like Gabe Lee, who has put out four albums that are damn near perfect, can barely sell out the brewery down the street from me (which is selfishly great). The amount of DEI artists in country are plentiful, but this knocks them all down a peg.
February 2, 2025 @ 9:23 pm
very measured take trigger
February 2, 2025 @ 9:45 pm
I think people who love country music know who put out the best album this year. Sadly, she didn’t get nominated in the category, but she sure as hell wiped the floor over on the Americana/Roots side.
February 2, 2025 @ 9:50 pm
Points noted and agreed. I feel sorry for any up and comer in this industry. New artists in general will have a problem because they will be forced to change their perceptions of country music (Alan Jackson vs Shaboozey) to make a better presentation to get a label contract. Second, it puts extra pressure on Black country artists who embrace traditional country disciplines will now be expected to produce only Shaboozey/ Beyoncé type music and content – only feeding a cycle of stereotyping.
The damage is done now, a schism in country caused by this that can’t be ignored after tonight. Old Town Road is nothing compated to this (even though Bey got slagged in other categories ).The “general” country now is either pop or “SheboozeyBeyoncé” sound , Americana for organic and traditional music and “Classic Country” for legacy artists like Alan Jackson. Johnny Cash, Hank Williams(all) etc. So much for that.
Finally money and class warfare has reached new heights in this venue, a reflection of our society now.
I feel sorry for the new comers. Follow your dreams on the side and maybe do social media.Maybe change your careers, get a trade or stay in school as to be able make a life for yourself instead. Rather have a sure thing anyway. The brass ring is more than a notch away now as billionaires rule the roost; another reflection of our society today.
February 2, 2025 @ 9:55 pm
From the outset, the country Grammy’s have usually awarded what the L.A. and New York-based industry executives are familiar with and regard as the best in country. Yeah, artists love to win them, but most fans could not even tell you who won the award this year or last year.
In the country market, the CMA’s probably carry the most cache.
February 2, 2025 @ 10:00 pm
Agreed. But in contrast, the Grammys are the only awards that pay attention to independent artists, folk and bluegrass artists, and country legends.
It’s really like watching a split screen from the “Premier Ceremony” where tons of incredible creators from across genres are highlighted, and then the telecast where it’s ridiculous choreography, and Beyonce wins everything with a “country” album.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:41 pm
The CMA’s are just as bad, maybe worse if that’s possible. I try and just ignore both.
February 2, 2025 @ 9:58 pm
Regardless of what Beyoncé say, this was always the goal.
February 2, 2025 @ 10:14 pm
Will this open the floodgate for other has-been’s to go “country” now?
Not that it is anything new, really. These award shows never was about music anyway.
February 2, 2025 @ 10:42 pm
Fuck it, Jay-Z might as well make a country/rap album next.
February 3, 2025 @ 3:09 am
Honestly, I probably won’t notice any difference between his country album versus the other country albums on the Billboard.
It will sound exactly like everything else he did, if mainstream country radio is anything to go by… They’re more Jay-Z than they’re Mel Tillis.
February 2, 2025 @ 10:23 pm
I’m not here to defend Beyonce. Quite frankly, if Beyonce disappeared off the face of the planet tomorrow, I wouldn’t care. I’d just move along with my day. Her music has made no impact on my life whatsoever. I did listen to Cowboy Carter earlier this year because my wife wanted to…I think we played it for a few days and no one here has played it since.
That said, I’m not sure if it’s an awful thing that she just won these Grammys. Is it possible that someone who thinks her album is country and isn’t familiar with the genre takes a closer look at the genre? Is it possible that someone who’d never heard of Sierra Ferrell before tonight is putting her music on tonight because they think if Beyonce is all of a sudden “country” and cool, Sierra Ferrell might be, too?
I can see the argument for Beyonce overshadowing real country artists, I can also see an argument where she’s indirectly shining a light on them. Is there a reality that exists in which Beyonce is helping people who’ve otherwise dismissed country music reconsider their biases?
I realize no analogy is a perfect one, but if your introduction to country music comes from Shooter Jennings and Chris Stapleton (like it has for me) and has caused you to find other artists that aren’t necessarily mainstream and that you really enjoy, isn’t that what counts the most?
Anyway, of course the Grammys are a bit of a joke, look no further than the Rolling Stones winning an award for Best Rock Album and I don’t think anyone is calling Hackney Diamonds canon. The Beatles won an award for a song that was cobbled together from Lennon demos, overdubs from Harrison guitar track and AI.
February 2, 2025 @ 10:39 pm
Yeah, it’s an awful and embarrassing thing. The people that like Beyoncé don’t want to hear real country artists. That can’t always be the caveat for these dumbass award choices, especially in her case.
February 3, 2025 @ 5:21 pm
Black people created country music and most of the cultural things in America
February 4, 2025 @ 3:57 am
No, they didn’t.
It comes from the folks in Germany, Poland, Italy, the isles in the UK and especially from the Norwegian folk songs of old times (the high phrasings, the haunting sound of the norwegian Hardingfele (fiddle), the harps).
Country music began when these cultures met in the US, working side by side in the communities. Some call it Appalachian music, but that’s way too narrow. It began in every corner of the US where the european settlers met, it rung out from the saloons, the classrooms and, to a degree, from the churches. We know it as string music.
Not until Jimmie Rodgers started using it in his blues did it mix with the black culture to become the basic of rythm n blues, jazz, soul, rock’n’roll and therefore a part of the backbone in american music.
But by then it wasn’t country music anymore. It was a melting pot of everything that came before it.
February 4, 2025 @ 9:16 am
@Sofrus
Was country music derived from Black people, gospel music, and The Blues? And what black man invited the air plane and why did the wright brothers get the credit
Workflow
Favicon for heritageherald.com
Favicon for pbs.org
Favicon for victrola.com
To answer your question comprehensively, I’ll address each part separately:
Country Music’s Origins and Influences
Country music, as we know it today, has indeed been significantly influenced by Black musicians, gospel music, and the blues. However, it’s important to note that the genre’s origins are complex and involve a blend of various cultural influences.
Black Influence on Country Music
The contributions of Black musicians to country music are profound and multifaceted. From the very beginning, Black artists played a crucial role in shaping the sound and style of what would become country music
. Some key points to consider:
The Banjo: One of the most significant contributions of Black musicians to country music is the introduction of the banjo. This instrument, which is central to the country music sound, is a descendant of the West African instrument known as the Akonting, brought to America by enslaved Africans
.
Early Collaborations: In the early 20th century, Black and white musicians frequently collaborated, sharing musical traditions and styles. This period saw the emergence of “hillbilly music,” which later evolved into country music
.
Notable Black Musicians: Several Black musicians made significant contributions to early country music. For example:
DeFord Bailey, known as the “Harmonica Wizard,” was the first Black musician to perform at the Grand Ole Opry
.
Charley Pride, often referred to as “country music’s first Black superstar,” broke racial barriers in the industry
.
Rufus “Tee Tot” Payne, a mentor to Hank Williams, exemplifies the deep-rooted connections between Black musicians and country music.
Gospel and Blues Influence
Gospel music and the blues have indeed played a crucial role in shaping country music:
Gospel Influence: Gospel music has significantly influenced country music. The call-and-response technique and the emotive vocal style of gospel have been adopted by country artists. Gospel themes of faith and redemption are often present in country music, particularly in the sub-genre of country gospel
.
Blues Influence: The blues, with its emotional depth and storytelling, has been a foundational influence on country music. Many country songs incorporate blues elements, such as the use of the 12-bar blues structure and themes of personal struggle
.
Shared Roots: Both country and blues music share roots in the folk traditions of the southern United States. The cultural exchange between African American and white musicians in the southern United States facilitated the blending of these genres
.
However, it’s important to note that country music also has strong roots in European folk traditions, particularly those brought by immigrants from the British Isles who settled in regions like the Appalachian Mountains.
The genre evolved as a blend of these diverse influences, including European, African, and Native American musical traditions.
February 4, 2025 @ 4:03 am
No, they didn’t.
It comes from the folks in Germany, Poland, Italy, the isles in the UK and especially from the Norwegian folk songs of old times (the high phrasings, the haunting sound of the norwegian Hardingfele (fiddle), the harps).
Country music began when these cultures met in the US, working side by side in the communities. Some call it Appalachian music, but that’s way too narrow. It began in every corner of the US where the european settlers met, it rung out from the saloons, the classrooms and, to a degree, from the churches. We know it as string music.
Not until Jimmie Rodgers – a white man – started using the blues in his folk tunes did it mix with the black culture to become the basic of rythm n blues, jazz, soul, rock’n’roll and country and therefore a part of the backbone in american music.
But by then it wasn’t black or white music anymore. It was a melting pot of everything before it.
February 4, 2025 @ 8:37 am
Yes, but it is also important to recognize the influence of Black blues players and minstrel players to the formation of country.
People wonder why I keep bring up this Beyonce topic. It’s because much of the rest of media right now is saying almost like a mantra, “Country music is Black music, and has always been Black music.” That is the reason it’s important to take the time to contextualize all of this, and have deeper discussions.
February 2, 2025 @ 11:10 pm
“I did listen to Cowboy Carter earlier this year because my wife wanted to…I think we played it for a few days and no one here has played it since.”
This is a very critical observation, and why the catastrophic cratering of “Cowboy Carter” on the charts is relevant here. Consumption is not always a marker for quality. In fact sometimes, consumption highlights mediocrity. We all know this here, but were also used to incredible artists being ignored by the mainstream. But when you have what it’s literally considered the most popular pop star of the last century, lack of public knowledge about a project is just not a factor.
Everybody did what you and your wife did. Lots of people purchased or streamed the album because it was the thing everyone was talking about, and then few if anyone ever revisited it, including Beyonce’s own hardcore fans. This is empirical evidence that the album did not, and does not resonate. Yet somehow, it just won Best Country Album, and Album of the Year. Genre arguments aside, that makes no sense.
As for your osmosis theory, if the music on “Cowboy Carter” was actually country, it might cause this effect. But if you’re a fan of Cowboy Carter (and in truth, nobody is, affirmed by the numbers), you’re probably not going to then turn around and listen to Lainey Wilson, let alone Sierra Ferrell. In fact, Beyonce fans are currently attacking Sierra online because she beat out Beyonce in the “American Performance” category.
People say they like Beyonce because that’s what you say. SNL ran an entire skit about this years ago (https://youtu.be/rGxe83lXgJg?feature=shared). Her Beyhive demands loyalty, but not even they are fans of “Cowboy Carter” enough to keep it in the Billboard 200. It’s all one big canard.
February 3, 2025 @ 1:21 am
Lainey Wilson is barely country either. More like Nashville pop. You can keep em both.
February 3, 2025 @ 3:12 am
Amen.
That said, most men will probably gladly keep Beyonce and Lainey, if not necessarily for their music.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:53 am
Trigger: Not to naysay or claim that cowboy carter resonated more than evidence suggests
BUT let’s look at real consumption trends for media
Guess my favorite movies:
Terminator 2
the animated hobbit movie
Knights of the Round Table
I haven’t watched terminator 2 in years, probably four years.
I watched Knights a couple weeks ago for the first time in like ten years
I might watch the animated hobbit movie every couple years
Those are my favorite movies. But in the last few months i watched ‘the cat returns’ 3 times. Because its easy light watching.
It’s easier to watch Cat Returns than Das Boot. I’ve owned a copy of Das Boot for years and never got around to watching it.
My favorite albums are Merle Haggard’s my love affair with trains
Kenny Price’s happy tracks
and Short Stories by the statler bros
I haven’t listened to any of those records in at least three years.
But I listen to several fiddle and banjo instrumental albums at least monthly because they’re easy to listen to
My favorite video games are okami, Legend of Zelda twilight princess and Shenmue 2.
I haven’t played okami or twilight princess since 2018 and Shenmue 2 since 2020
But i’ve played langrisser every year consecutively because it’s an easy calming game i can casually play while i watch Family Feud.
I love Wagner’s Lohingren, but I certainly don’t have the cognitive energy to appreciate it regularly.
Not to say that cowboy carter is some masterpiece that is too complex for casual listening.
But lots of material is too artsy for casual listening and not artsy enough to be a regular dedicated listen.
The people to whom Cowboy carter appealed are probably the pop world’s equivalent of the luke bryan fans who like zach bryan because he’s organic. They’re looking for something more real. BUT that also means they don’t casually listen to it, more like once in a while.
So when you say lots of people streamed it then didn’t revisit it, i think that there’s a reason for that besides just people not liking it. the people who did like it are liking it less often but not necessarily not liking it as much.
The nature of these conceptual albums that do different things means they’re harder to consume a steady diet of, so i’m sure some of those streams are people who really liked it but like it on occassion.
Most people don’t eat lobster newberg on a daily basis. that’s why we have phrases like ‘that’s his bread and butter’
Not that Im saying Cowboy Carter is a masterpiece that people can’t handle in large doses. but i suspect that streaming numbers don’t reflect how people respond to a project. it reflects how much listening is done. but lots of casual recordings are good background noise and others get more dedicated listening at a rarer frequency.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:38 am
Though I appreciate the theory Fuzzy, I just don’t think it holds water. There is a reason the 10-tack album from Tyler Childers “Purgatory” released in 2017 is still in the Billboard 200, and Beyonce’s 27-track album released this year that just won Album of the Year is not. It’s because people aren’t listening. Even if they were only still listening to the lead single “Texas Hold Em’,” it would still be generating metadata, and charting. It’s not. Instead, more people are listening to “Feathered Indians”—a 7-year-old song. We can try and contort ourselves to explain away the dramatic lack of chart performance for Cowboy Carter. But ultimately, people are not listening. I would also balk at calling it a concept record. There is no linear narrative to it. I don’t know anyone who is making that claim.
February 4, 2025 @ 9:30 am
The Terminator & Matrix franchise were stolen from Sophia Stewart by the Wachowskis, allegedly “acting in concert with Silver, Warner Bothers and Bloom,” produced and distributed a film and comic book series titled “The Matrix.” That same month.
She submitted her screenplay to several film companies and they returned it after turning her down. Then used it without giving her any credit.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:47 am
Sidebar question, Your Honor:
“”As for your osmosis theory, if the music on “Cowboy Carter” was actually country, it might cause this effect. But if you’re a fan of Cowboy Carter (and in truth, nobody is, affirmed by the numbers), you’re probably not going to then turn around and listen to Lainey Wilson, let alone Sierra Ferrell.”
It’s a hard question to answer but would welcome your take: Does a Beyonce or Shaboozy win really introduce newbies to the vast world of country music? Did the Olivia NJ and John Denver wins lift all boats during the seventies or were most of those record buyers more curious about those specific artists and not the genre as a whole (See also the Urban Cowboy mini-boom in the eighties)
February 3, 2025 @ 7:35 pm
I really don’t buy that Beyonce or Shaboozey are converting country fans. And even when they’re charting on country charts, that’s not measuring the consumption of country fans. It’s measuring the consumption of pop fans on a country chart, because companies like Billboard are going to give into anyone these days who says they’re “country” without scrutiny.
Artist who can actually convert people into actual country fans are artists like Luke Combs and Chris Stapleton. Their music can make a bridge between popular sensibility and authentic roots.
February 4, 2025 @ 9:20 am
Trigger, I like how you are laying our your arguement
February 6, 2025 @ 7:03 am
In fact, Beyonce fans are currently attacking Sierra online because she beat out Beyonce in the “American Performance” category.
Now that would have made me spitting mad. I mean, I’m a roots music fan who loves a ton of good country music. I listened to that song Ya-Ya and it is in no way rootsy. It might feel a little retro with its referring to These Boots Are Made for Walking and Good Vibrations, but retro does not equate to rootsy. And the fact that she (or her people) even submitted the song for consideration annoys me. I want to see actual roots music (and probably independent) artists up for these awards, as a win (or even a nomination) can mean a lot for them. And Jesus, she has 30+ GRAMMYs, doesn’t she? If she had won, not only would she have beaten out Sierra, but also Gillian & Dave and Sarah Jarosz!
I’m maybe casually interested in the country GRAMMYS mainly because of I hear about that world here. Also, before I got Sirius XM, family members would sometimes would listen to it when turning the radio dial because they didn’t always want to listen to my sad sack music. So, I have some familiarity with it even I don’t tend to listen to it for pleasure. Mainly, I root for Chris Stapleton to win anything he’s nominated for as he’s the only person associated with mainstream country whose music I unreservedly love. But even I was annoyed by this Beyonce win. I really don’t mind her music. I certainly prefer it to the worst of the bro-country period, for example. But this win feels like a farce. I actually gave myself a homework assignment to listen list to it at point, but stopped after about 9 or 10 songs. Not much for me there as a roots music fan. I like the feel of Texas Hold ‘Em (sounds like country/piedmont blues to me). I even like her singing. But the poppy lyrics and embellishments (Woo!) take me out of it a bit. And covers of Blackbird and Jolene (both songs in my music world) I consider inessential. Nothing else I heard did all that much for me as a roots/country music fan. And the fact that she won over Stapleton or even Lainey Wilson (I sampled that album and it’s pretty good for country radio) seems very wrong on the merits. Feels like a political decision. A more charitable take might be name recognition, but I lean heavily towards the former.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:42 am
This is the first I heard of the AI-assisted Beatles track. Everyone critical of that Randy Travis AI track knew that it was a trojan horse for this kind of nonsense.
February 2, 2025 @ 10:34 pm
This was actually an embarrassing group of nominees across the board. Musgraves is equally as bad as Beyoncé being in it. I’m tired of Stapleton winning and honestly think he’s overrated to begin with. And Lainey Wilson just annoys me. There’s a part of me would’ve preferred Post Malone win this, as sad as that is to say.
February 3, 2025 @ 10:34 am
Chris Stapleton was really cool around 2015. Nowadays it’s just monotonous.
February 4, 2025 @ 3:32 pm
True words.
February 2, 2025 @ 10:42 pm
And then Beyoncé/CC winning Album of the Year (all genre)… just manufactured click bait at this point.
February 2, 2025 @ 11:24 pm
The reality is that Cowboy Carter locked up this Grammy the second the CMAs didn’t meaningfully nominate it.
By snubbing the album, the CMA opened the door for the Recording Academy to “make up for that racist country organization that can’t see past color” and give the album the love it “deserved.”
If Cowboy Carter had received key nominations and a few wins at the CMAs, I don’t know that the push would have been as strong here. Especially given its AOTY prospect – they could have let something “countrier” win in the Country category knowing that Bey was still getting the big win anyway.
February 3, 2025 @ 7:23 am
The CMAs did the right thing. It is not their fault that the Grammys are a joke.
February 3, 2025 @ 7:31 am
I think there’s something to this. The Grammys have a long history of awarding the underdogs, particularly in country. Think Johnny cash winning for Unchained or Strugill Simpson for A Sailor’s Guide to Earth. Maybe the closest analogue is the [Dixie] Chicks winning most of the big awards, including Album of the Year, for Taking the Long Way, their very next album after being cancelled by the country music industry. The CMAs refusing to bend a knee to was certainly part of it, both then and now.
On the other hand, as Trigger points out in the article, Beyoncé is anything but an underdog. Hell, Jay-Z basically demanded the Recording Academy give his wife more awards, particularly AOTY, onstage at the Grammys last year. They had more than one gun to their head this year.
In thinking about this, it’s occurred to me that music doesn’t really have an acknowledged equivalent to Oscar bait, which are movies that are made primarily to win awards and little else. Cowboy Carter strikes me as Grammy bait. It’s a vanity project made by an artist specifically for awards. She even sings “AOTY, I ain’t win” on the album itself. Even in her speech, where she singles out the idea of genre as something that won’t hold her back, she implies that the album is less art in and of itself and more a statement of intent. And like so many Oscar bait movies that make little to no money at the box office but have several golden statues laid at their feet come awards time, Cowboy Carter’s only meaningful claim to fame is the awards it has now won.
The music wasn’t what was awarded here, it’s Beyoncé herself and the ideology that the Grammys were obliged to award. And after an awards show bump, I’m sure it will fade back into obscurity. The only issue is the precedent it has now set, both for country music at large and the idea of a power couple basically demanding awards and receiving them.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:34 am
Beyonce is constantly being characterized as a victim of the American experience, and of the Grammy Award specifically, despite being worth $800 million, and despite being the most awarded artist in Grammy history, even before 2025.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:37 pm
Agreed. The manufactured grievances of Beyoncé are so disingenuous, it’s appalling. Her wealth, power and influence bought the AOTY award – a feat of only the “billionaire” class can accomplish- stepping on and over everyone else both White and Black. That kind of makes her awards moot since she is only carrying the torch for herself and the very powerful, not the people she is actually trying to represent.
I’m waiting now for madame to make a speed/death metal album to “own” that too.
February 2, 2025 @ 11:59 pm
Anybody that thinks the Grammys or AMAs or CMAs or the like is some sort of measure of excellence is a chump. These are commercials for the record companies to sell you their trash and most of you gobble it up. Stop supporting so called “award shows”. Turn it off!
February 3, 2025 @ 5:11 am
Agreed. Also as a big fan of the metal genre, it’s laughable what gets nominated and wins most years.
February 3, 2025 @ 6:58 am
I think they do, since the ratings sucks for award shows in general.
People are tired of being lectured by filthy rich elites anyway.
February 3, 2025 @ 12:28 am
Beyoncé said it wasn’t a country album. It was not marketed as such. Country fans did not buy it and it did not sell as well as was hoped. Not an award that makes any real sense and disappointing when there are other great real country albums released. Good luck to her but a very odd win. Award shows! Never been much into them but very pleased for Sierra Ferrell.
February 3, 2025 @ 2:56 am
…from a more global perspective, no other country album – and there were plenty of good ones last year – made it into the main evening news around the world. “cowboy carter” may not be beyoncé’s biggest commercial success, as it is pointed out by scm ad nauseam, but it is a triumph of art and a forceful reminder that remarkable art can come from anywhere any time.
the fact that the winner of the country category at the grammys 2025 won the overall album of the year title too, actually ought to be a cause for celebration for the genre.
February 3, 2025 @ 3:14 am
But it’s not a country album.
That’s the problem. None of the nomineès are country albums.
February 3, 2025 @ 4:03 am
…i agree with you, sofus, as far as spending my “country-dollar” is concerned “cowboy carter” would not have been my first pick either.
on the other hand, there are some facts that “cowboy carter” is clearly perceived to be a country album outside the usa. in germany for example, where country saw a big rise in its spotify streaming counts last year the main names pointed out to be responsible for that where beyoncé and shaboozey. their hits “texas hold ’em” and “a bar song (tipsy)” resonated big time in europe (as well as elsewhere) and where clearly perceived as country music or at least countryish.
beyoncé’s grammys are as much validated as sierra ferrells are, whether some of us like it or not. facts are always facts and not only if we like them.
February 3, 2025 @ 5:23 am
I agree with your resonnement, and I will add that these “events” are to blame, no matter what they call themselves. It’s always about money, not the music.
Heck, the CMA refused to let George Jones on screen to pick up the award he was given. Obviously because his look didn’t fit in with the male and female hookers who got the other awards. As for the rival ACM; Conway Twitty won the Male Artist of the Year award once, in 1976. Brad Paisely won it for 5 years in a row…
Charlie Rich did the right thing, all those years ago. Fire up every danged envelope they’re pushing. We’ll do just as fine without Academy Awards, Grammy’s, Tony’s and whatever it’s called.
The decline in viewers are the proof.
February 3, 2025 @ 5:51 pm
“ Obviously because his look didn’t fit in with the male and female hookers who got the other awards” thank you for this, it made my night😂 (& is totally true). They couldn’t make patch on the Possum’s behind.
I agree and disagree with Charlie Rich. I wish they would still do that, especially now. But in his case it was John Denver & he’s pretty strait folk semi Country. IMO pretty good and no where near as offensive
February 3, 2025 @ 7:25 am
Who cares what a bunch of Europeans think country music is? They can perceive anything they like. It doesn’t make it true.
February 3, 2025 @ 10:24 pm
Exactly.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:23 am
“no other country album – and there were plenty of good ones last year – made it into the main evening news around the world…”
Yet it still cratered in consumption. That should tell you all you need to know about how people ACTUALLY feel about this album, as opposed to the environment of compliance the Bey Hive and media surrogates have constructed around Beyonce.
The primary effect of this win will not be the crowning of Beyonce in country, or even a major sales spike, or a transformation of the genre. It will be a catastropic loss of relevance for the Grammy Awards among country fans.
February 3, 2025 @ 3:01 am
…sierra ferrell’s grammy shower may look a little rich, but ain’t it well deserved?
February 3, 2025 @ 8:53 pm
Beyoncé gaslighted us with the projection on the Guggenheim.
It’s not country and it’s not genius either when there are a herd of writers and producers; a lists long for each track they’ll fill up a back page of the Times. Content so curated and processed as a product to make a point rather than a message
And hardly a “triumph” of art, laced with profane words. Art is in the eye of the beholder, but this should be considered in the “country” perspective and compared to peers as such. I can’t see the Carter family, Reba Macintyre or Loretta Lynn using such language or a Fairlight.( Though Loretta was more skillfully and cunning with subject matter (“the Pill”) without being obtuse or vulgar. ) The only thing “global” was the amount of hype of its intent, not it’s artistic “merit”. Please
February 3, 2025 @ 4:20 am
This is just the Grammy’s version of a participation trophy.
February 3, 2025 @ 4:27 am
Nothing new here. All my life I have craved real country music. All my life I have been force fed pop and crossover. “Pop Goes the Country,” anyone? When one has zero expectations, one has little disappointment.
Thankfully I now live in an era where I can easily curate my own music and ignore the rest.
February 3, 2025 @ 4:44 am
Everything today feels contrived. We’re drowning in a sea of make believe as a society and planet.
February 3, 2025 @ 7:26 am
We have been drowning since the hippies were created.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:55 pm
And the “Moral Majority”…. 😉
February 4, 2025 @ 3:34 pm
I hate to correct you, but it all started when Stalin’s supporters took over the universities in the 1930’s.
February 5, 2025 @ 3:09 pm
Good point.
McCarthy was right about the Communist infiltration.
February 3, 2025 @ 5:36 am
This is woke nonsense, and it was therefore expected.
February 3, 2025 @ 5:36 am
The rest of the world moved forward and honored Beyoncé the right way, while country purists resisted—despite Cowboy Carter’s undeniable country elements. Beyoncé winning Best Country Album isn’t a robbery—it’s a reckoning.
Critics said Daddy Lessons wasn’t “real” country because it wasn’t made in Nashville, but legends like Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson also defied Nashville’s gatekeeping. The claim that Beyoncé said “This ain’t a country album” is misleading—she was calling out the industry’s exclusion, just like when country radio rejected Daddy Lessons in 2016.
The idea that the Grammys “forced” this win ignores that Beyoncé has been historically snubbed in major categories despite being the most-awarded artist ever. And calling Cowboy Carter a “commercial disaster” is false—it had lasting cultural impact. Texas Hold ‘Em debuted at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart for 10 weeks, yet country radio still hesitated to play it. Hmm… I wonder why.
Conservative country purists love to pressure others into silence when something isn’t “well received.” Individuality is rarely welcomed—unless, of course, Dolly Parton disagrees. If her opinion still matters to you.
If people care about overlooked country artists, they should blame the system, not Beyoncé. Her win isn’t erasing country—it’s expanding it, just like the genre always has.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:29 am
“Texas Hold ‘Em debuted at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart for 10 weeks, yet country radio still hesitated to play it.”
No, it didn’t. Beyonce’s label did not send “Teas Hold ‘Em” to country radio initially. It sent it to pop radio initially, just like it marked “Texas Hold Em'” pop in the metadata. Cowboy Carter was never meant to be country. It was initially titled “Beyince.” It was the public that wishcasted Cowboy Carter into a country album. Beyonce said it wasn’t a country album, and has emphatically underscored this at every turn, including during her speech last night.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:45 am
Here’s the evidence. God bless you.
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/21/1232827781/beyonce-texas-hold-em-country-chart
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/beyonce-texas-hold-em-number-one-hot-100-1234975523/
https://www.billboard.com/lists/beyonce-texas-hold-em-number-one-hot-100/
February 3, 2025 @ 8:51 am
???
Evidence of what? That “Texas Hold ‘Em” was a #1? Who is disputing this?
Here’s an article explaining what happened with “Texas Hold ‘Em” on country radio.
https://savingcountrymusic.com/dispelling-the-myth-that-country-radio-rejected-beyonce/
February 3, 2025 @ 10:40 am
I’m glad you covered that, Trigger. I think that whole incident was a gross cynical marketing ploy.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:08 pm
Laila;
“…snubbed in major categories despite being the most-awarded artist ever…” give it a break. She has broken records, She is hardly agreived, just entitled, privileged and very wealthy and hardly teflective of real traditional country artists, Black or White. Her presence in the country sphere suppresses any effort of artists working their way up from the bottom. And yes her “success” is toxic like any billionaire who takes advantage of a system.
“….undeniable country elements…” does not a country song make. She is not of the “Carter Family”. And quite frankly, her supposed reinvention of is an intrusion on “traditional” country music; and this type of trampling of said “tradition” to other forms of music would be met with great push back.
Stanning is tiring and this is a “country” space.
February 4, 2025 @ 5:31 am
Beyoncé isn’t suppressing country artists—the industry already does that. If country radio and gatekeepers truly cared about Black artists who actually stay in the genre, why haven’t they properly supported Mickey Guyton, Rhiannon Giddens, or Brittney Spencer?
And let’s not act like some country artists don’t skip the line through connections, wealthy backgrounds, and label favoritism. That’s never been a problem—until Beyoncé came in and succeeded on her own terms.
Calling her an “intrusion” is ironic when country music was built on Black and Southern influences long before Nashville took over. Legends like Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson pushed boundaries too, but they’re celebrated. Why is it only a problem when Beyoncé does it?
And let’s be real—she doesn’t need country’s approval. She made country come to her, and the numbers prove it. “Texas Hold ‘Em” debuted at #1 on the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart and stayed there for 10 weeks—without full support from country radio. That’s called impact, whether people like it or not.
Country artists praised Beyoncé when she was at a distance, but the moment she fully stepped in, the tone shifted. Change is happening, with or without you. And at the end of the day, God has the final say.
Gatekeeping doesn’t protect country—it stifles its growth. If this were really about “tradition,” more of today’s country artists would actually sound country—but many don’t. Yet Beyoncé is the “intruder”? Funny how that works.
Y’all kept the door locked for years—now it just got kicked wide open.
February 4, 2025 @ 8:41 am
“Y’all kept the door locked for years—now it just got kicked wide open.”
This is fantasy. Beyonce’s “Cowboy Carter” has been virtually meaningless as she refused to promote it, refused to follow through on radio. Just like the Christmas performance, these Grammy Awards and her tour are too little, too late. The albm was a dud, affirmed by the sales numbers. Beyonce DID have an opportunity to make a big impact. Instead, it went off like a popcorn fart, and now she’s collecting participation trophies given to her due to fear, not merit.
February 4, 2025 @ 8:48 pm
“Texas Hold ‘Em” got to #1 because the Beyhive were streaming it, not because country fans accepted it. Ultimately the song didn’t have legs, not only at country but even at Pop and Urban, where it failed to make power rotation at most stations and disappeared quickly.
If “Cowboy Carter” had any wide impact on country music, it was that it exposed many listeners to Shaboozey and helped make “A Bar Song” – the legit across-the-board smash that “Texas Hold ‘Em” was not – possible.
February 4, 2025 @ 2:48 pm
Laila, Yes, she is suppressing upcoming artists by usurping attention and resources from other up and coming artists. And you even cannot compare the artistry and craftsmanship of Rhiannon Giddens – who actually represents the traditions you quote “….country music was built on Black and Southern influences …” , unlike Beyoncé, her fleet of song writers, producers, drum machines, Hollywood/NY studio, curated product with the sprinkling of a banjo or fiddle.
And “Black and Southern” include Whites who brought with the Celtic influences from Euope; so it is not exclusively White or Black. No one is disputing that distinct set of traditions and aspects. Rhiannon Giddens adheres to those traditions, Beyoncé does not. Period. And BTW if your born in Houston, it makes you from Texas, nothing more.
Lets unpack this:
“And let’s be real—she doesn’t need country’s approval. She made country come to her, and the numbers prove it. “Texas Hold ‘Em” debuted at #1 on the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart and stayed there for 10 weeks—without full support from country radio. That’s called impact, whether people like it or not.”
1. Nor did country ask for her approval. No one needs or has to ask for approval to release a piece of music, art, sculpture or anything thing else.
2. Parkwood first shopped these 2 songs to pop first and then streaming services took it as such . As previously, noted the stan army pressure both on the streamers, then back to Parkwood to change the song’s classification. So with all this aforementioned finagling it switched (despite the Guggenhheim projection) from pop (where it was intended) to country andcwent #1 there. Not that it was a great country record, it ended up there. And all her usual (r&b) fans bought it and that resulted in the sales success, not because hoards of country fans embraced it – negating the lack of “country radio” support.
3 – that’s not impact. That’s crass manipulation of shopping/changing a song to a genre by coercion, stanning pressure and billionare abuse of power. As I said before, her loyal fans will buy her music no matter what genre and not necessarily by conversion of huge amounts of country ( or other for that matter) fans.
Intrusion, pethaps. If rock singer Linda Ronstsdt does a country cover or Tina Turner does country album, thats just fine…since they did it with care and appreciation, not unneeded coarse language or complete appropriation and reunvention. They did it with their own personal inerpretatipns within country tradition, not exploiting it.
And finally, regarding “gatekeeping”? Really? Don’t throw that around since in the Beyoncé sphere, anytime an outsider intrudes in that world it’s called “cultural apprporation” with accusations of “not living the real experience” or “profiteering”. Well people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Please…..
February 3, 2025 @ 6:06 am
But someone killed country music, cut out its heart and soul.
They got away with murder down on music row.
The almighty dollar and the lust for worldwide fame
Slowly killed tradition and for that someone should hang
(oh, you tell them Alan).
They all say not guilty, but the evidence will show
That murder was committed down on music row.
For the steel guitars no longer cry and fiddles barely play,
But drums and rock ‘n roll guitars are mixed up in your face.
Old Hank wouldn’t have a chance on today’s radio
Since they committed murder down on music row.
They thought no one would miss it, once it was dead and gone
They said no one would buy them old drinking and cheating songs (I’ll still buy’em)
Well there ain’t no justice in it and the hard facts are cold
Murder’s been committed down on music row.
Oh, the steel guitars no longer cry and you can’t hear fiddles play
With drums and rock ‘n roll guitars mixed right up in your face
Why, the Hag, he wouldn’t have a chance on today’s radio
Since they committed murder down on music row
Why, they even tell the Possum to pack up and go back home
There’s been an awful murder down on music row
February 3, 2025 @ 9:48 am
“Cause I can see Hank and Lefty/They’re spinning around in their graves/And if they were here now/ I think y’all know what they’d say/ Tell ’em stick it up high/Where the sun don’t shine/We’re pissed, we’re mad/ ’cause that’s country, my ass.”
February 4, 2025 @ 3:38 pm
When you’ve seen the very best, the rest can’t hardly play
I’ve seen it, and I’ve seen it go away
Merle Haggard
February 3, 2025 @ 7:01 am
From the initial announcement last year, I said it will win the Grammy. I didn’t even need to hear a single note off the album to know it would win. Why? I’m not a seer or prophet, but as soon as I heard hubby Jay-Z complain his wife hadn’t won the all genre Grammy award, I knew given the amount of power he and his wife wield in music , that it would be pre- decided. I was not wrong. It’s not about artistic merit at all or purity to genre. It’s influence and consequently the power that comes with it.
This morning on my drive to work, the local DJ on my radio said that “Beyonce won big last night, winning the Grammy for album of the year for her Country album”. Thats the news story now. History books are gonna be written to say that, regardless of the reality many of us know, and thats that. Just saw she’s launching her Cowboy Carter Tour now.
February 3, 2025 @ 7:18 am
We all kinda knew this was going to happen. The voters wanted to make a statement. I am thrilled though for Sierra Ferrell that she got recognition. I wish Charley Crockett could’ve won a Grammy.
Beyoncé winning AOTY was also more for her legacy, instead of the actual album (she did deserve to win for her 2013 album). Jay-Z complaining at last year’s Grammys helped her chances.
February 3, 2025 @ 7:26 am
Another week of Trigger being extremely weird about Beyoncé.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:32 am
Weird? Seems like the vast majority of country fans agree. Their institutions are not representing their interests. This never goes well.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:13 pm
No another tiring week of hyperactive Beyhive intruders invading this site. Sorry “madame” is NOT universally loved and is certainly open to harsh criticism like anyone else.
February 3, 2025 @ 7:40 am
The Grammys are a joke. Best to treat them as such.
February 3, 2025 @ 7:48 am
Eminem won best rapper Beyoncé one best country album
Balance has been restored to the universe
This is a perfect illustration how modern music is just a popularity contest.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:35 am
…and how all popular music sounds the same, and a power elite is making off with all the spoils.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:10 am
This is a subject I would love to hear you write about.. It looks like most of the labels are owned by one or two parent companies. Their influence on what gets played and spun has a direct result on what is popular.
This trickles down all the way to the grassroots level when your promoter doesn’t have space on her roster because she’s promoting Taylor Swift singles
I’m not even mad at Beyoncé. Honestly if Beyoncé wouldn’t have won. They would’ve given the award to Post Malone or Jelly Roll.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:18 pm
Eminem worked his way from the bottom and hard as heck to get where he is and cut his path working in the genre, not reinventing it. He also didn’t have pushy helicopter parents or an entitled, privileged sugar daddy to buy his way to the top.
February 4, 2025 @ 1:04 pm
He forgot that later, tho.
He’s one of them now.
February 3, 2025 @ 7:53 am
Actually I think this fixes the race problem in Country music. Beyonce did not deserve to win and she still did. It wasn’t that she clearly put out the best album that surpassed the others to where it was undeniable to give it to her, so they did. She didn’t deserve it yet she still got it – which is a hallmark sign of privilege. Clap with me now: A black woman won the best Country album on the Grammy’s. Racism in Country music is dead now and we no longer have to hear about this systemic inequality.
February 3, 2025 @ 7:58 am
The sheer number of articles on this blog about Beyonce the last year is astounding. We get it, you didn’t like the album, it was a sales disappointment, it’s not country, but the constant barrage of articles against this album is getting tired.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:42 am
What happened last night proves why these types of comments are aggressively ignorant of what Saving Country Music was founded to do. So Beyonce wins Best Country Album and Album of the Year for an album she herself says is not country, and I’m supposed to sit on my hands, or politely applaud? This is Saving Country Music, right here, right now, in real time. This was the entire point this website was founded 18 years ago. This is where the fight is. If anything, perhaps not enough was done or said previously about this matter. Much more will be said in the future. If you don’t want to read it, DON’T READ IT. I won’t be offended. But I am very offended by people demanding I should derelict my duties to the website I founded 18 years ago. These comments make no sense, and they’re actually more harmful than the comments disagreeing with what’s said about Beyonce here.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:25 pm
Like the sheer volume of fawning and closing articles in the mainstream press pushing this down our throats – telling us how to treat her, treat her music, how agreived she is and all that.
And you bet there is going to be alot of discussion here about it.
The only thing tiring is commrnts like “Will”‘s again, trying to force their will on others.
This is the only forum that didn’t strip country music fans of our agency to pick and choose what we want to hear, what we feel is “country” and to make criticism of the intrusive Beyoncé machine as we se fit.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:04 am
I don’t typically comment but I am today. Having worked in the country music industry now for several years, having had the blessed opportunity to work for/with one of country music’s most celebrated and iconic black country artists, along with a few up-and-coming black country artists, I disagree with the theory that genres were code words created to “keep an artist in their place.”
It goes without saying that any artist is free to write or record any kind of song they please or where their personal artistry takes them.
But “genres” are just simple English words used to accurately define the unique and consistent set of distinct sounds, instruments used to compose, or lyrical subject matters the were used to create the song. Simple English words don’t need to be redefined in my opinion, and they are just words at the end of the day. They are not barriers for artists. Everything isn’t everything…
Country music is still three chords and the truth, in my opinion. But it’s also grown into a big ole metaphorical tree which has sprouted many branches, and sub-genres, as recording artists continue to add more sounds and styles to that simple formula of three chords and the truth.
That said, all this argument over how to classify Beyoncé’s album will never be unanimously agreed on. We know that already.
However, I do think the artist has the right to lead on defining their own genre is, so long as they understand and aren’t trying to redefine the English language. As an artist, if you think you’ve redefined a particular sound or style of music, then come up with the new English term or word which that sound defines and then own it.
By this logic, maybe the metaphorical country music tree is just growing a new branch here with Beyoncé’s album, which she undeniably said “isn’t a country album.”
That said, I’m proposing a new genre classification to be added on the country music DDS (sec. 540): Urban Country
I don’t know if this solves the argument at hand, I just seem to think it accurately describes the sound, using the English language, of a new style of music that is obviously being birthed by our collective debates.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:09 am
I do take an interest in the grammys but that said I can take or leave it, like i dont really take too much of an interest in mainstream stuff so a lot of the winners dont interest me at all. I wouldnt be listening to any Beyonce album whatever the supposed genre is.
You take it a popular band such as Iron Maiden arent even in the rock n roll hall of fame despite a career of over 50 years, so awards or lack of them mean nothing. Some people who dont deserve recognition get it others are ignored.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:33 am
I am so glad Sierra won! Heck, Kasey & Chris,too. Basically, congrats to anyone who wasn’t BEY. Sad evening for country music. Sad evening for the women of country music. Jay-Z has already been ruining Half Time for years. ICK.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:33 am
I am so glad Sierra won! Heck, Kasey & Chris,too. Basically, congrats to anyone who wasn’t BEY. Sad evening for country music. Sad evening for the women of country music. Jay-Z has already been ruining Half Time for years. ICK.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:49 am
“They are there to make sure pop stars worth $800 million dollars who are married to billionaires can’t come in and abscond with attention meant for performers…
“Cowboy Carter‘s Best Country Album win wasn’t earned, it was compelled. With a gun to its head, Grammy voters did what they had to do to ensure the institution wasn’t called racist.”
These two lines from your post got me thinking.
The Grammys failed on the first comment spectacularly. This isn’t the first time. Frankly, it’s really not a surprise.
But the second comment got me thinking that the metaphorical “gun-to-the-head” win wasn’t so much about “racism” as it was about Jay-Z holding the “gun,” since he’s apparently one of the most powerful people in the pop music industry. (Outside of Ms. Swift, of course). I guess you don’t screw with the forces of nature.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:54 am
Country Universe is celebrating the Beyonce win.
Typical of them.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:08 am
Let’s all sit back and ask ourselves a question from Jurassic park 3:
What if they find us without them?
That is to say, the whole world was expecting a Beyonce win. it’s all the hissing potato heads have hissed about for weeks, months, even.
Do you think it would be a media firestorm if sierra ferrell won and beyonce took the award everyone was expecting? or do you suppose the sierra ferrell news would be totally drowned out if Beyonce lost?
Cowboy Carter remains one of the most talked about albums in years. People from outside the genre, inside the genre, of all relationships with beyonce and country music have been discussing it.
Put it this way: Ringo Starr did a country record, right?
Wasn’t he in one of the biggest musical groups in all of history? Do you think people even noticed that… you know, the guy who played in one of the most consequential musical acts in history and also narrated that show with the talking trains, released an album? crickets.
Isn’t Yoshikawa’s Musashi novel, one of the most celebrated japanese novels in history and the basis for one of the first foreign films to make a splash in the USA getting its first unabridged english translation this month? crickets
What are people talking about? Beyonce.
Is it a country record? apparently not according to beyonce.
is it somehow more country than FGL or Sam Hunt? absolutely.
is it good? that’s subjective.
is it AMBITIOUS? i think so. it tried to be something without an equivalent in the space.
A major pop star covering a country legend on an album full of contributions from roots artists who wouldn’t be familiar to mainstream pop fans?
There’s no real equivalent in the space.
I’m not defending it. i haven’t even heard it. but I also recognize that it made a big splash in american culture. people talked about it. people noticed it. people participated in the discourse about whether or not it was country, what country was.
It’s one of the few albums at the grammy awards that the average american idiot has actually heard of, if not heard.
I’m just saying it’s not suprising that it won. and i also think that there would be a media firestorm if it didn’t. just on name recognition alone.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:30 am
Country music has entered a weird state the last few years. Huge divide right now as the independent is now a major scene with its own media outlets and headliners but it still is not mainstream and you still have to “discover” that the scene exists. Independent/independent-adjacent artists are driving the genre but Nashville still has large control over the narrative. We’ve enter a place where you can remove yourself from the mainstream and not feel on the outside but the majority of America still listens to major label artists. You’re no longer a hipster going to see any of these artists but you’re still in the minority.
Anyways, that’s a long intro to this – Beyonce winning the grammy doesn’t feel bothersome or that it has any impact on the state of country music the way it may have felt 10-15 years ago. It just kind of seems desperate and out of touch. Not a fan of it but at the same time, we’ve officially got to a place where it feels inevitable that this time is coming to a close. 10-15 years it’s not going to be possible to give Beyonce-like artist a country grammy.
February 3, 2025 @ 10:17 am
What’s sad is that 2025 will probably be the last year that country will be “having a moment.” By 2026 I bet it will be uncool again, and currently the mainstream still sucks real bad. It got a little better maybe but ultimately I predict the mission to “save country music” will be a failure, at least as far as the mainstream is concerned. But there will always be those dozen or so good mainstream albums that get covered here.
I think Americana will hang around, though, it has more of a “slow but steady” growth, and seems to pop every decade or two (e.g. Johnny Cash American Recordings, O Brother Where Art Thou, etc).
February 3, 2025 @ 11:06 am
What will make country uncool again is moments elevating albums that nobody is listening to, and nobody likes, but everyone feels like they should be celebrating. Meanwhile, the groundswell continues to grow behind Zach Top. Sierra Ferrell won more Grammy Awards on Sunday than Beyonce, and swept her categories (4/4 compared to 3/11). “Cowboy Carter” is an anomaly. We’ll see what 2026 has in store. But it will likely be a rock album from Beyonce, and a continued leaning into more country sounds by country artists.
February 3, 2025 @ 10:22 am
Everything about the Grammy’s to the astroturfing of the Beyonce album, to the NFL putting their thumb on the scale so that Taylor Swift’s boyfriend’s team can win the superbowl again…it all feels like some real-world extension of the algorithm manipulation that is on social media.
Sierra Ferrell winning is a good thing, I’m not talking about that.
February 3, 2025 @ 10:29 am
Social media and music has been in a weird state. I’ve never heard this brought up before but I half wonder if they know the Beyonce album is not that good, nor do they care. On Instagram and TikTok aspiring artists who legit suck, have thousands of followers of what is essentially anti-fans. Whether it is Bo Daddy Harris or the Sean Stephens the “I am recTANGular” guy, or any other of the current crop of talentless hacks that have minor online fame because people like to watch the shitshow, and the algorithm doesn’t not differentiate hate-watching from normal viewing. What I mean by this is that social media has greatly changed what is allowed to rise to the top.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:40 am
Freddie Mercury is still the greatest country music singer of all time, but congratulations to Beyoncé for her country music win!
February 4, 2025 @ 1:12 pm
Compared to Beyonce, Freddie surely sounds closer to country than she does. And he had Brian May on guitar… that’s a plus, no matter the genre.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:45 am
Anything that pisses off the “purists” and “traditionalists” is fine by me.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:55 am
Morgan Wallen fans, Lainey Wilson fans, most certainly Post Malone fans are not “purists” or “traditionalists.” Institutions not representing the people they purport to, and then honoring people who are already in grand positions of power is a recipe for disaster. We’ve seen this play out very recently. If it was a country artist winning hip-hop awards, I would be the first (and have previously) called it out. Beyonce benefits none from this. Country will be marginally affected. But the credibility of the Grammys for declaring an album country that the artist themselves said wasn’t is a gross aberration for the truth that the public will not stomach. Be careful of the hubris of your Schadenfreude.
February 3, 2025 @ 10:17 am
Then why are you here?
February 4, 2025 @ 1:13 pm
To piss us off, obviously…
February 3, 2025 @ 1:46 pm
You insult the great Deacon Jones with that comment.
February 3, 2025 @ 9:51 am
They caved in to the pressure.
I listened to a couple of tracks on it. The album wasn’t terrible, but her whole approach kind of rubbed me the wrong way. It’s not so much that she entered the space – because Post Malone and Shaboozey didn’t bother me — it’s that she entered it and seemingly demanded to be crowned queen.
She also waffled quite a bit. First it was Beyonce’s going country!, then — nah it’s not a country album, and now? It appears that it’s a country album again when there’s an award to give out. I feel like she liked the idea of “going country,” but didn’t actually have the chops to actually pull it off. So we got this weird simulacrum of a country album instead.
Hopefully now we can bury this one. Way too much ink spilled on this mediocrity.
February 3, 2025 @ 10:04 am
Its similar to when a political party moves too far left or right and the party leaves you rather than you leaving the party. My tastes haven’t changed too much, nor has the music I enjoy listening to. Somehow I find I am no longer a country music fan. I guess I’m an Americana fan now? Why couldn’t they just rename the new stuff? Country Bee-Bop or Pop Country would fit. Morgan Wallen and Sam Hunt would be the bannermen.
Genre’s exist for a reason. Pop is the catch-all. Great article. I couldn’t agree more.
So now what do we call the REAL country music from the 20th century?
February 3, 2025 @ 11:01 am
We refuse to let them take over the term “country.” It belongs to country music fans, not pop stars worth $800 million who wanted to earn an Album of the Year Grammy by spurring controversy. Country music belongs to the people. We continue to insist country is country. Let others find the right terms to describe their genre-less, electronically-generated music.
February 3, 2025 @ 1:24 pm
I’m confused. How is the same woman whose quote about CC *not* being country gets held up as justification for protesting her win ALSO the same woman who “wanted to win an Album of the Year Grammy by stirring controversy”? It’s the beyhive who stirred it, and as we all know, standoms have a mind of their own these days. And who cares how much money someone has? Taylor came from an incredibly well-off family before she ever set foot in Nashville.
February 3, 2025 @ 2:02 pm
Best Country Album and Album of the Year have to be considered separately. Beyonce literally chided in one of the songs on “Cowboy Carter,” ATOY, I never won. And Jay-Z actively called the Grammys out about it on their own stage. Beyonce wanted it. And if that meant stirring controversy to get it, so be it.
As for Best Country Album,. Beyonce looked genuinely shocked to win it, and I think she was. She’s not going to turn it down. It’s a Grammy. But I don’t think she cared nearly as much about it, nor does she think her album is country.
I’ve said from the beginning that Beyonce herslef might be one of the few honest actors in this whole situation. She has NEVER said “Cowboy Carter” was country, and has ONLY said it isn’t. I think the Stan Army, media surrogates, perhaps her label are the ones manipulating the public. Beyonce just wants the art to speak for itself … and AOTY.
February 3, 2025 @ 6:19 pm
I 100% agree with you about Beyoncé herself being one of the few honest actors in this whole thing, because she is, after all, the artist at the center of it. I just personally interpreted her quote as “not JUST a country album,” or “MORE than a country album,” because at the same time as she pushed that quote, she deliberately pushed black country musicians like Rhiannon Giddens into mainstream conversation for the first time. The use of the banjo in that way alone was so meaningful to so many black folks who loved country long before they were even allowed in its spaces. So, for me, despite the quote that went round the world, the meaning of the album is so much bigger than that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhttS6P1heE
February 3, 2025 @ 6:27 pm
I’d agree she’s one of the few honest actors in the whole situation because she is, after all, the artist at the center of it. I guess I just interpret that quote as still meaning “not JUST a country album” or “MORE than a country album,” (in the same way that I hear “Black Lives Matter” as “Black Lives Matter, TOO”; again, not accusing anyone who took her quote at face value as racist, just using what I think is an apt analogy for my POV) because in addition to pushing that quote around it, she also pushed black country musicians like Rhiannon Giddens into the mainstream for the first time. The banjo alone meant so much to so many black folks for whom country as an exclusivist cultural space was inaccessible for decades. So, for me, when I think about that quote that went round the world, this is all so much bigger than that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhttS6P1heE
February 3, 2025 @ 11:46 pm
Real artists would never whine and moan about not winning some award or let their spouse do it for them. So lame.
February 3, 2025 @ 10:42 am
Beyond the Beyonce fiasco, it was distrubing to watch all night, hoping to see performances in the following genres: Country, Rock, Folk, Americana, Blues, classical, R’n’B or much of anything other than aha bombastic “pop” featuring squads of dancers writhing around and tons of smoke, lasers, strobe lights and hugely elaborate sets. All in all, a disaster though as a spectacle it ws pretty good.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:10 am
VERY few actual, organic performances in 2025, including country ones, when country is the most popular genre at the moment. Poor curation by the Grammys.
February 4, 2025 @ 3:37 am
Country isn’t popular.
What they sell as country is popular, because it sounds exactly the same as the pop they’re selling.
In that instance, Beyonce’s album isn’t more or less country than most of the others, just like Dean Martin’s country tunes hit big because they sounded exactly like the singles being pushed by Nashville to conqueer the pop charts. Nashville did this ever since it worked so well with Jim Reeves, Eddy Arnold and Patsy Cline, leaving the steel and fiddle-based tunes in the gutter.
That’s the logical conclusion. It’s about the buck, not the music itself.
February 4, 2025 @ 8:23 am
See, you’re wrong on many points here. First, “Cowboy Carter” is not “popular.” That is why the sales/streaming data is such an important part of this topic. Nobody is listening and its out of the Top 200. Meanwhile, Zach Bryan has three albums in the Top 10, and Zach Top has a Top 10 album. Music that is more country, and more songwriter-based is popular right now. Beyonce put out an album made for 2019 that is relevant to 2019, and it sold as such.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:16 am
It did have a weird vibe, different than usual, but take the primetime show for what it is I guess. The primetime show is for the big stars (aka Taylor, Bey, Jay-Z) and the big-pop-stars-of-the-moment. You knew that Sabrina Carpenter and Chappell Roan would win something – just a matter of how they’d divvy that up. Beyoncé’s win seemed to be more about lifetime achievement to me. Even she seemed genuinely surprised.
There were some interesting things though. It was cool to see Kruangbin perform (albeit abbreviated). They have such unique music. Also cool was seeing they invited Grace Bowers to play while Chris Martin sang for the in memoriam segment.
I thought the Quincy Jones segment was well done. Will Smith seemed awkward, but it felt like he was genuine about the role Quincy played in his life. The rendition of “Fly Me to the Moon” was awesome. There’s cool and then there is ‘Frank Sinatra & Quincy Jones do the Jazz Standards’ level of cool.
Far more interesting to me was all the stuff they didn’t show from a few of the other 90 awards they give out. I feel like they should at least have a quick rundown of notable artists/winners/nominees from earlier in the day. I mean look at the rock album category: Stones, Black Crowes, Greenday. St. Vincent, who I think is a fairly recognizable act these days and an amazing artist, she won like three Grammy’s yesterday. Kind of a big deal and yet nowhere to be seen.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:34 am
This is why I simply pay no attention to Grammy’s anymore.
February 3, 2025 @ 10:51 am
“Country does have a race problem, both historically, and today”. Does Hip-Hop and the NBA have a race problem? if the answer is no, then neither does country music.
February 3, 2025 @ 5:37 pm
I second this as a question to Trigger. In what way does Country Music have a race problem?
February 3, 2025 @ 6:02 pm
I really don’t think you have to use your imagination too much to think that if you were a Black guy in 1965 wanting to make country music, that you might receive some sideways glances, or have some doors closed in your face. Though I think it’s much easier for Black and Brown people to make it in country music today, it’s also not hard to imagine linger perceptional tied to race making it hard for some performers to find opportunities.
I am not one of these people constantly using race or identity as a cudgel. I think this article illustrates that vehemently. But I’m also not afraid to acknowledge reality. To say there’s never been racism in country music is ludicrous.
February 4, 2025 @ 8:01 am
it’s not 1965 anymore. let me repeat, it’s not 1965 anymore. And contrary to popular belief, we do absolutely have our own culture. Country music is most certainly part of my culture as a child of European immigrants who settled in the hills of Kentucky, Ohio and the corn fields of Indiana. Country music is who I am. my Culture is not Beyonce’s, costume. That’s not suggest that I don’t recognize the contributions of black music in the early formation of the art form. of Course I do. I’m also a proud fan of old school R&B, soul and Mo-Town music. But, like I said, in todays day and age, if Hip Hop, R&B and Soul music, don’t have a race problem, then neither does Country music.
February 4, 2025 @ 8:22 am
Thank you for answering my question Trigger. The time you dedicate to this blog, including your active engagement with the entertainly rowdy commenters, is greatly appreciated.
February 4, 2025 @ 11:29 am
Thanks for saying that. I don’t Thank Trig enough for what he does. We just don’t always see eye to eye
February 6, 2025 @ 7:47 am
It doesn’t.
But it is considered a White institution, so for them, that automatically makes it racist.
February 3, 2025 @ 10:54 am
In my opinion, “Cowboy Carter” was a masterpiece. It most definitely had country influences and highlighted country performers. The album does not fit in any genre but would be most aligned with country due to the current options. “Golden Hour” by Kacey Musgraves was not a country album but won in the category previously (another masterpiece), but again it did not fit in any category.
My question is what are they voting for the best quality album that is able to fit their marks under a particular genre or the album that best represents the genre and maintains the necessary critical (and/or commercial qualities)?
I would be confused on who to vote for in this category (with the given nominees). My favorite album of the nominees is Deeper Well (which I feel is less than country than Cowboy Carter). Stapleton & Wilson’s albums were good, but not either of their best works (and not at the quality levels of Deeper Well or Cowboy Carter). Post Malone’s album was okay and fun, but not an award-worthy album, and gained fame in rap/pop).
I would vote to create a “Traditional County” category and/or a Genre-Less/Blend category altogether.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:13 am
A “traditional country” category would solve a lot of these problems.
And even though “Golden Hour” wasn’t a hard country album, it was much more country and acceptible by hardcore country fans than either “Deeper Well” or “Cowboy Carter.”
The country Grammys were doomed in the nomination process this year. Voters were only presented with various options of pop stars making country-adjacent projects.
February 4, 2025 @ 8:24 am
I can’t believe it never occured to me but yeah, we need a new category.
FFS, they have a separate “traditonal pop vocal” and “traditional R&B.”
Country is obviously not immune to having been “pop-ified”. If it were, a site like this wouldn’t exist. So yeah, maybe if they just did that, then albums like CC that are at least “partially country” could be nominated for Best Country Album without taking up space that would otherwise be taken up by….Sierra Ferrell.
February 3, 2025 @ 12:01 pm
I don’t agree with the alignment simply because “pop music” is a general category of things that are popular but not really any other specific genre.
February 3, 2025 @ 3:40 pm
Pop music has a defined sound and is not simply based on what is popular. Zach Bryan’s album is popular, but he is not pop. Kendrick Lamar is popular, but he is not pop. The Foo Fighters are popular, but they are not pop. Jon Batiste is outside the genre world but he is not pop. In addition, the pop music category recognizes a “Traditional Pop Category” as does the R&B category.
A Genre-less or genre-fusion category would give a place for albums like “Cowboy Carter” to have a home without taking the spots in the niche genre categories.
In the current setup, it is hard for people to know how to vote (or what they are voting on). Trigger has mentioned on album reviews before that he is not qualified to critique a pop/rock album because his expertise lies in country music.
Example with Cowboy Carter: A country reviewer may highlight the impact of the Linda Martell spoken interlude or Rhiannon Giddens banjo on Texas Hold Em or the harmonies on Blackbird. A country reviewer may be turned off by the hip hop production and straight-up rap in the numerous tracks.
A pop reviewer may find brilliance in the production and danceability of tracks or may find some of the country moments distracting.
A proper reviewer for this album should understand the influences from country, rap, R&B, and pop with an eclectic group of influences and performers. To categorize this album as Pop or R&B would create the same problem it has by marking it as Country.
This would benefit artists across genres. In recent years, Kacey Musgrave, Brandi Carlile and Justine Bieber were moved out of their submitted album categories where they were not able to be judged based on the genre merit of their albums as they saw they most closely identified.
You could see many artists such as Jacob Collier, Jon Batiste, Kacey Musgraves, Brandi Carlile and Lana Del Rey benefit from having a home.
February 3, 2025 @ 4:24 pm
Good points. This is one of the reasons I never reviewed “Cowboy Carter.” I was unqualified to judge the music, though I was definitely qualified enough to know it wasn’t country.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:16 am
“Cowboy Carter‘s Best Country Album win wasn’t earned, it was compelled. With a gun to its head, Grammy voters did what they had to do to ensure the institution wasn’t called racist.” What a stupid assumption. Is it a country album? not really. Is it more country than albums that have won it before? yep. Is it a great album? yep. To blatantly state something as fact that you don’t know, such as Beyonce only won because a voter didn’t want to be called racist, is lazy and dangerous journalism.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:43 am
Hey Jey Eff,
I appreciate the cynicism and skepticism.
But first off, this is not an assumption. This is based off of both real world observations, as well as the opinions of the people I am hearing from within the Grammy process.
Second, this is the reason it’s very important to zoom out from where we are now, and look at the greater context, which is what I’m working on at the moment. We have to appreciate that this whole album cycle started with country radio getting attacked for being racist for refusing to play “Texas Hold ‘Em,” when Beyonce’s own label had yet to even service it to country (while also servicing it to pop, ironically.) This became a massive controversy, and compelled radio stations to play it.
You also have Jay-Z very directly calling out the Grammys on the Grammy stage in 2024 while receiving the Global Impact Award for not properly awarding his wife, who ironically, was the most-awarded person in Grammy history at that time.
Everyone knew Beyonce had to win these awards, or there would be dramatic, if not catastropic, repercussions for the Grammy Awards.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:22 am
Sierra Ferral is more country than Beyonce and at least half of the other country category nominees.
February 3, 2025 @ 12:16 pm
I knew you’d have an article on this today, Trigger. For those wondering how this kind of bullshit happens, check out John Rich’s X account.
February 3, 2025 @ 12:27 pm
John Rich is actually 100% wrong about this. He’s 100% right when it comes to the ACMs and CMAs with vote swapping and horse trading by labels. The Grammy Awards are voted on by artists, musicians, songwriters, and engineers. It is the only peer-voted awards. So this is not possible.
February 4, 2025 @ 3:05 pm
No offence, brother, but John has actually been behind the curtain, so I’m going to go with what he has to say about this. To think there is no horse trading going on behind the scenes at the Grammys is a bit naive.
Cheers!
February 3, 2025 @ 12:39 pm
Hopefully we’ve reached the terminus of woke/DEI now, but if an entire two generations of more college educated Americans have any say we won’t. They’ve come for it all, hopefully this is the last gasp. Can they just let country be country again. The genera as a whole is headed back in that direction. Hopefully the music machine can recognize the “vibe shift” going on now and leave well enough alone.
February 3, 2025 @ 1:48 pm
Two generations of college indoctrinated students have been unleashed on the world.
It isn’t going away any time soon.
February 3, 2025 @ 2:02 pm
That’s my fear, they tried to get me too but no such luck.
February 3, 2025 @ 2:36 pm
I have two degrees but they didn’t get me.
“A good Christian raising,” as Billy Joe sang about.
February 5, 2025 @ 1:23 pm
Perhaps not after they see their model doesn’t work, can’t be sustained and 50% of the people aren’t in with it. Remember, pendulums swing both ways….
February 3, 2025 @ 12:54 pm
Hey! Let’s talk about the Beatles’ Grammy win! Yeah Yeah Yeah!
February 4, 2025 @ 10:52 am
Just wait until next year.
Elvis will do some covers of recent hip hop “songs”, in full Elvis Vegas style.
That will surely win a lot of awards.
February 3, 2025 @ 12:58 pm
It kind of feels like that Beyoncé quote has been milked to death by people with pre-existing bias (doesn’t have to be racial bias, mind you) who already thought the album “wasn’t country” and were just dying for….idk, corroboration? Let’s be real, if she *had* said, “this IS my first country album” or “this is not JUST a country album,” (which is how I interpreted it) the CMA’s still likely would have snubbed it. That’s because no voting bloc of any award show has *ever* cared what an artist said their work was or wasn’t. Taylor Swift was still calling herself a country artist long after she’d tossed any signifiers of the genre out of her output (at most, she contemporaneously described her pre-1989 albums as “spillover”), but I don’t remember anyone in country music commentary saying “She labelled it as such so it’s blasphemy for anyone to not nominate it in that category.”
The radio controversy was manufactured b.s., I’ll give you that.
February 3, 2025 @ 1:24 pm
Hey Nathan,
Thanks for piping in.
I am currently working on a documentary-style thing that I hope clears up some of the misconceptions about this whole issue, including the use of Beyonce’s “This ain’t a country album” quote. It’s not just Saving Country Music, or country purists, or critics of Beyonce that are continuously using it. It is also Beyonce herself. It was far from a blurb in an Instagram post. It was integral to the marketing of the Cowboy Carter album. Beyonce paid a company to literally project “It ain’t a country album, it’s a Beyonce album” on the side of the Guggenheim Museum in New York. I’ve published photos before, and you can find them online. If you go to the website beencountry.com owned by Beyonce, and scroll (horizontally) to the end, you will see that quote displayed once again.
I truly think Beyonce was so shocked to win Best Country Album because I don’t think she thinks it’s a country album, and she has established this over and over both in statements and within the music and the marketing, while NEVER having called it country, even to this day.
The idea that Cowboy Carter is country is one giant canard. The album wasn’t even originally called “Cowboy Carter.” It was called “Beyince,” and they changed it last minute.
February 3, 2025 @ 1:34 pm
Thanks for your swift reply (see what I did there :p) looking forward to the doc and thanks for turning me on to Sierra Ferrell.
February 3, 2025 @ 1:36 pm
Had she felt strongly enough about it not being “Country” she could have pulled the nomination. She would have never done that since it would deny her free publicity. Her winning the nomination only furthers her brand and keeps her being talked about. Its business. And that business couldn’t give two shits about those people who feel like “traditional country” isn’t represented. The Grammys will never be that venue.
February 3, 2025 @ 2:20 pm
“Her winning the nomination only furthers her brand and keeps her being talked about.”
Exact Same thing with Dolly and the R ‘n’ R Hall of Fame.
Exact same thing.
Some people will lose their minds over this & I could care less.
February 3, 2025 @ 6:32 pm
Oh, also wanted to note that the NAME “beencountry” itself seems to contradict the famous quote on its own so maybe her whole point was to confuse the hell out of us for entertainment 😂 either way, before one scrolls all the way to that quote, the first thing one see is a collage of ancient photos of black americans on carriages, with the words “for legacy” and “happy Juneteenth.” I firmly believe the entire project was an attempt, misguided as it may have been, not to cast the country label aside in such a blunt and un-nuanced manner, but to expand it, redefine it, and reinject it with the black history at its root that, in Beyonce’s view, had been forgotten by many. But just my $0.002
February 3, 2025 @ 3:42 pm
Maybe I’ve been slow on this, but all I know about “Cowboy Carter” is what I’ve read on this site.
I just looked at the general media sites. The news is that Beyonce’s “Cowboy Carter” won “Album of the Year” at the Grammy’s. Not country, but the whole dang thing. I was under the impression that Beyonce was “using” country or interloping on country to gain some advantage and win country awards that she doesn’t deserve.
Well, I can see why she says “Cowboy Carter” is not a country album: Calling it a country album may help her win country awards, but country albums rarely win “Album of the Year.” When you win AOTY, adding the country award is hardly even icing on the cake.
February 3, 2025 @ 4:24 pm
Post Malone was also nominated.
Just curious, if he had won, would be be seeing the same reaction?
Did anyone look at the nominees?
I am sick of this. Trigger, your article was measured. The comments are NOT.
February 3, 2025 @ 5:05 pm
If Post Malone would have won, I do think you would have seen a lot of negative reaction from country fans as well, though it might not have been as pronounced for a number of reasons. First, the album is actually country, and Post Malone said it was country. It’s not particularly good (except the deluxe edition tracks), but it was made in Nashville with Nashville country folks.
And also, he’s White. I don’t discount that there is an element of racism to the Beyonce hate, though I don’t believe it is the primary culprit. If Beyonce had released a traditional country album, I think many would have embraced it.
Where country was let down in 2025 was the nomination process. It was full of pop stars making country or country-adjacent albums as opposed to performers native to the genre.
February 3, 2025 @ 4:35 pm
Well its a big joke but im not surprised. Giving an album that didnt even stay on the charts for very long is just beyond insane. Tells you how out of touch these people are. Giving it country album of the year is an even bigger laugh. Though in fairness, most of the other contenders were a joke as well. Though in the end, best not to even give them any attention but those giving trigger a hard time are in the wrong and should politely exit out the side door. Have a good day.
February 3, 2025 @ 4:41 pm
One question I have. Trig, you keep coming back to sales numbers. Why is that relevant?? Many albums have won AOTY without being giant commercial hits. Simply because Cowboy Carter wasn’t a multi platinum smash has no relevance to its quality. Raising Sand. morning Phase. Two Against Nature. The Suburbs. All AOTY winners. But not smash hits. Even if Cowboy Carter is not Beyoncé at her best, enough Grammy voters thought so. I don’t see how it’s sales is relevant unless every previous winner in this category was a giant smash hit.
February 3, 2025 @ 5:10 pm
Conventionally speaking, sales numbers don’t always denote quality, and anyone who would ever read this website knows this at heart. However, Beyonce is not some obscure Americana or roots artist with a critically-acclaimed record. She was named last month the greatest pop star of the century by Billboard. If we’re to believe the hype, no artist is bigger, including Taylor Swift. So when Cowboy Carter is getting smoked by a Tyler Childers record from 2017 in the charts, something is off.
Planin and simple, nobody is listening to Cowboy Carter. Even the people arguing for it don’t listen. They’re just arguing for Beyonce out of habit. A poor sales cycle would be one thing. Disappearing out of the Top 200 in 28 weeks is astounding for a Beyonce album.
February 3, 2025 @ 4:59 pm
Impeccably written. I used to watch all awards, I vehemently opposed the Grammys this year (honestly I haven’t seriously tuned in for years). However, I was eager to see how she hopefully didn’t do in the Country categories. Unfortunately my timing was horrible and cnn’s site reported she won the Country album 1 minute earlier. I lost my mind. Then I saw who presented it to her🤬 I would have agreed it was simple pressure, power and affirmative action until I saw the devil in red. So fitting. This was all contrived and meant as a legitimate FU to Country Music. Country Music’s anti Christ presented this travesty to a witch lampooning the music Hank, Patsy, Hawk, Copas, Dottie West and others literally died for. I honestly wish Charlie, O.B., and Big Al’s families would condemn this. Cats like Chuck Berry, Ray Charles, and the recently departed Sam Moore are all primarily associated with other genres but had genuine love, admiration, and appreciation for (real) Country Music. This was an insult to them as well. So happy for Sierra, though the idiocracy of her not getting nominated in the Country category but a former member of Destiny’s Child getting is just dumbfounding. I can say nothing good about Beyonce Knowles at this point. And I don’t think her husband should have been allowed in the building considering. If they didn’t unequivocally believe they’re better than/holier than thou our Country genre, singers and legends before they surely are now.
February 3, 2025 @ 6:15 pm
The Grammys were on TV last night?
February 3, 2025 @ 6:18 pm
It’s the grammys. If it wasn’t Beyonce, it would have been some other crap. This is true of virtually every genre they cover & true nearly every year. I feel I am a fan of pretty much every genre of music & the cream seems to fall to the bottom in all of ’em. My take on all the crap that is celebrated & awarded is that many people couldn’t possibly be right.
February 3, 2025 @ 6:45 pm
Like Flavor Flav once said, “who gives a f**k about a goddamned Grammy?”. There’s a whole huge team devoted to making Beyonce seem far more influential, important, and popular than she actually is. No one really liked her dumb “country” record, and she hasn’t had a true “hit song” in ages. However, whenever awards season rolls around, she’s showered with praise and trophies, as if to remind us how magical she is.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:32 pm
“Cowboy Carter‘s Best Country Album win wasn’t earned, it was compelled. With a gun to its head, Grammy voters did what they had to do to ensure the institution wasn’t called racist.”
Compelled maybe, but way more likely that they were compelled to give her the gong cos she’s been nominated for best album four times before, and if they were splitting hairs with the other nominees then that’s how these types of things always go down. Only gotta look at the Oscars to see that. Pretty easy to justify not rewarding Beyonce of all people an award for a country album and “ensure the institution wasn’t called racist.” What a ridiculous take.
February 3, 2025 @ 8:39 pm
You’re confusing Album of the Year with Best Country Album there Boy Wonder. Beyonce has never been nominated for Best Country Album before.
And Jay-Z literally standing on the Grammy Awards stage in 2024, telling the Grammys they’re bullshit for not giving his wife Album of the Year and what that says about race was as close to a gun to the head as you can possibly get.
February 3, 2025 @ 10:21 pm
That’s true, but you don’t think it’s possible Beyonce got the bump partially for reason?
This though: “telling the Grammys they’re bullshit for not giving his wife Album of the Year and what that says about race was as close to a gun to the head as you can possibly get.”
What does that say about race, Trigger? Hell of dog whistle from you there, unless it was a poorly worded sentence on your part. Gotta be careful though, you don’t wanna say the quiet part out loud.
February 3, 2025 @ 11:30 pm
Yeah, I’m not even sure what you’re implying here, though it’s obvious you started from the premise that I’m racist, and then worked out from there.
February 5, 2025 @ 8:36 am
It’s rigged…her fake-ass reaction was obvious of that! Now we know she’s not even a great actor…or maybe she wasn’t even trying to fein surprise.
February 4, 2025 @ 7:42 am
“Unequivocally, Beyoncé told us herself about her 2024 album Cowboy Carter, “This ain’t a country album.”
This is such a tired, disingenuously used quote to bolster your argument. You’re willfully neglecting the context and the rest of the quote that was used once in a marketing piece: “This ain’t a country album. It’s a Beyonce album.” The message being that Beyonce is an artist that transcends genre, clearly.
It’s not so dissimilar to the journalists who used only Dolly’s quote: “Of course Black lives matter” rather than her full quote of “Of course Black lives matter. All lives matter”–something you pointed out many times over.
If you want to argue Cowboy Carter isn’t a country album, have at it. I’m just suggesting you find a less hypocritical point to use has your foundation.
February 4, 2025 @ 8:30 am
Hey Kaki,
So first off, the full context of that quote has been used most often on this website. There has been no effort to hide the rest of the quote.
“The message being that Beyonce is an artist that transcends genre, clearly.”
EXACTLY!EXACTLY!
This is the point I have been trying to scream from the rooftops.
I just put out a huge article/video with all of this and in-context explaining the whole situation from stem to stern if you’re interested:
https://savingcountrymusic.com/dispelling-the-myth-that-beyonces-cowboy-carter-is-a-country-album/
February 4, 2025 @ 9:41 am
To be honest I’m more surprised with her Album of the Year win than Country Album win.
Chappell Roan and Sabrina Carpenter were robbed. I can’t really say I feel too strongly about any of the other country albums that were nominated.
February 4, 2025 @ 10:36 am
Sing to what speaks to you! Everyone has roots to explore not defined by other people’s stereotypes. She is from Texas her album was good the music enjoyable. I am pretty sure her album was a commercial success. I get categories allow for more recognition but to stereotype an artist is like saying a new artist hasn’t been singing long enough to be recognized.
February 4, 2025 @ 12:05 pm
bullshit just bullshit that she won with guys like Waylon Wyatt brent cobb and Cole Phillips out there just bull shit
February 5, 2025 @ 12:08 am
I won’t watch. I didn’t watch her Super Bowl show. No other award show awards Beyonce anything. No other award show bothers to nominate her. The Grammys simply hand Beyonce awards. Just hand them over. There are rumored reasons. She and her husband are on the nominating and award naming committee. How wild is that if it’s true. Let’s not forget Diplo being caught on camera mouthing “she bought that” when she won electronic album.
February 5, 2025 @ 10:17 am
I know i’m late to this, but honestly this comes as no surprise.
the difference between the way the CMA and the Grammys handled this tells us all we need to know. The grammys were not making any type of a statement on the quality of the music, the music as country, or anything else. In the warped mindset of the people who run the Grammy awards, they absolutely had to do this as a sign of “resistance” against the President.
Ah, they will never learn.
February 5, 2025 @ 8:18 pm
I was wondering if her “Cowboy Carter” would get a Grammy sales bounce….
https://variety.com/2025/music/news/beyonce-cowboy-carter-spotify-streaming-surge-grammy-wins-1236295555/
Beyoncé’s history-making turn at the Grammy Awards last night was just the boost she needed for “Cowboy Carter” to surge back up on streaming, as her eighth album saw a 795 percent increase on Spotify compared to the day prior.
and…
Beyoncé’s ‘COWBOY CARTER’ tripled in daily US unit sales on February 3 to 6.66K sold, the day following #GRAMMYs wins.
February 5, 2025 @ 8:33 pm
It will really take a week of data to make a fair assessment of just what kind of bounce it got. Anyone winning the Grammy Album of the Year is going to get goosed.