The Final Issue to Save Country Music (A New Year’s Resolution)
When Saving Country Music was first founded in 2008, the idea that we would ever get to where we are today in country music seemed like a virtual impossibility, a pipe dream, and certainly an uphill battle to say the least. Folks laughed at the idea of “saving” a genre that was so far gone with pop performers like Taylor Swift and Rascal Flatts, it would be impossible to ever resuscitate.
This sentiment was especially prolific during the height of Bro-Country in 2014-2015 when the goal of saving country music seemed especially out of reach. Country was spiraling in the wrong direction, and it was difficult to impossible to even dream of an era when traditional country would make a resurgence in the mainstream, and independent/non-corporate radio performers would be supported in increasingly equal numbers to their mainstream counterparts.
But we believed. We believed that if the public was simply presented all of their options in country music unabridged and unbiased by who was “popular” or signed to major labels, listeners would make better choices, and deserving performers would find the support they needed to sustain their careers, if not succeed beyond our expectations. We believed that if we supported independent artists, up-and-coming artists, more traditional and roots-based artists, and country legends with grassroots initiatives, it would ultimately have mainstream implications.
Now we’ve been experiencing an undeniable resurgence and righting of the ship in country music for multiple years. Country now sounds more country than it has since the 1990s. Up-and-comers now have greater opportunities than ever before. There are definitely still holes and discrepancies in this success, and deserved artists are still being left behind. Country music will never be “saved” in total. But where we are in 2025 feels like a 180-degree pivot from where we were just a few years ago.
Pop country will always be a part of the country music diet. All we were asking for was a seat at the table for country music’s legends, for independent performers who showed mainstream resonance, and an equal playing field for all performers based on their merit as opposed to what label they were signed to. Sure, corporate country radio is still pretty terrible. But country radio has never been less relevant in the history of country music as it is in 2025.
But amid all the current success and the promising future ahead, there is one significant fly in the ointment, and it’s a big one. Despite opportunities opening up for artists and performers from a wide array of styles, influences, backgrounds and demographics, somehow the women in country music continue to be left behind. And yes I know, I can already sense you rolling your eyes simply from saying this. “Oh, this subject again?” Yes, this subject again. But hear me out.
It’s not just that women aren’t getting played on the radio. It’s not that festival rosters continue to be released with sometimes no women at all, or only one or two on the lineup, or none or only one woman in the larger fonts. It’s that these trends that you’ve probably heard plenty about over the years continue to get worse, not better, and dramatically so, even as many other markers for the health of country music continue to trend positive.
Even worse, where years before there was at least substantive discussions and awareness about this issue within the media and the industry, now even this is not occurring except for in isolated circles. In fact, one of the issues plaguing this particular cause is that discussion, organization, and agitation surrounding it is being diverted and superseded by issues surrounding Black and Brown artists, and LGBT artists. Yet while advocates for these cohorts can proclaim very real inroads and increased representation in country music over the last couple of years, women are getting further left behind.
Make no mistake about it. What is not being advocated for here is for mainstream country radio to immediately start playing women at a 50% ratio, or for women to make up 50% of festival rosters, or for the up-and-coming women on those rosters to get paid the same exact money as the top male headliners when they are only a quarter of the draw. This is not about quotas. This is not about advocating for an act of Congress to legislatively mandate better representation for all women in country music.
Granted, if there were moments on country radio where the ratio of men to women was 50/50, this would prove this problem is on the way to being solved, and being put to bed so we could move on to other dilemmas. But you have to walk before you can run. You have to be pragmatic about implementing actual solutions as opposed to simply grousing about the problem, and demanding idealistic impossibilities. You have to understand what’s actually happening from a fundamental standpoint to solve it.
In fact, demanding such things as 50/50 representation right now, disregarding the economic reasons for why women are being represented in such poor numbers, politicizing this issue as opposed to understanding its something that affects country fans and performers of all political stripes, and understanding that ultimately it’s a population/inventory issue where there are just so fewer women in country music, these are all imperative steps to actually addressing and solving this problem as opposed to just complaining about it.
This is not a “woke” issue. Part of the problem is letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, and allowing ideology to get into the way of practical solutions and substantive progress.
But it is most definitely an issue nonetheless. In 2024, there were exactly ZERO solo women who hit #1 on country radio. There were only two women who hit #1 on country radio at all, and that wasn’t until December when Ella Langley hit #1 with Riley Green via the song “You Look Like You Love Me,” and Jessie Murph hit #1 with Koe Wetzel on the song “High Road.” But both of these #1’s came tied to male collaborators, and during the Christmas season when most songs stop being promoted to country radio.
When was the last time a woman had a solo #1 on country radio? You have to go all the way back to Lainey Wilson and “Watermelon Moonshine” in October of 2023. For 60+ weeks, there hasn’t been a solo woman represented at #1 on country radio, and counting. How much does radio matter in 2025? Not much. But it matters some, and this dubious streak represents the dramatic regression women faced in country music over the last year.
At this point, having even one solitary woman represented on country radio at #1 with a song that doesn’t also feature a man would be an inroad into this problem. That’s how far we have slid. Ten years after the infamous TomatoGate incident where one radio consultant told programmers, “If you want to make ratings in country radio, take females out” and it caused a massive backlash and the launching of numerous support organizations and initiatives, this problem has only become worse, not better.
This issue isn’t just isolated to mainstream country radio either. It also affects streaming playlists, as a 2024 tire shop playlist analysis illustrated. And it effects the live space as well with what we saw at the 2024 all-women Key Western Fest.
But as Key Western Fest illustrated, part of the issue is how the media has gone from an advocate for women in country, to now where they are a party to the problem, in part from their myopic focus on things like Beyoncé’s foray into country music and what that means, while also committing incredible amounts of coverage to performers such as Post Malone and Jelly Roll from outside of the country fold, and centering attention on Trans rights that has made the “women in country music” issue an afterthought.
One of the reasons this issue is going to be so difficult to solve is because you don’t just have to fight against preconceived and entrenched notions within the country music industry, you’re going to have to fight against the few remaining activists who seem hell bent on destroying the credibility of anyone else who would dare question their authority on this issue.
Men in the media used to discuss this issue regularly. But they all stopped after getting regularly attacked via character assassinations and outright lies by women who saw this issue as their own, and turned it into a turf war that they used to increase their media brands and social clout, sowing arguments on social media as opposed to wanting to actually work with others to enact solutions. These women would also attack other women in the media, and even attack women performers in country if they crossed them politically, or collaborated with male performers, like we saw with Miranda Lambert.
But these politically-motivated media activists have had a decade in charge now where they drive the discussions and narratives. And in 10 years, this problem has only become worse, while the amount of people actually advocating for this issue has become almost non-existent from the fear of social retribution from these political actors. Even Leslie Fram at CMT who was one of the few people trying to enact real world solutions with her Next Women in Country initiative is no longer with the company. As Waylon Jennings once said, “We need a change.”
It’s important to point out that the head of the CMA (Country Music Association) is a woman, Sarah Trahern. The CEO of Sony Records Nashville is also a woman, Cindy Mabe. The idea this issue centers around a bunch of old White men sitting in a smoky boardroom somewhere on Music Row deciding to keep women down for political purposes is one of the reasons it continues to remain unresolved.
Political apparatchiks want to make this a political problem, because they project ulterior political objectives on others because their motivations are political and ulterior in nature, and so they assume this same behavior from others.
But this is not a political issue. It’s an economic issue. It’s a meritocratic issue. The fat cats and bean counters on Music Row would start supporting women in greater numbers yesterday if they thought it would make them more or equal money. But it won’t. That’s why you have to recognize, understand, then address, then solve the economic dilemmas underpinning the women in country problem.
The good news is that at both the top of the independent and mainstream country industry, there are an incredibly talented and resonant crop of women who could be the catalyst to reversing the current trends. Lainey Wilson, Ella Langley, Megan Moroney, Ashley McBryde, Carley Pearce and more could be this generation’s wave of incredible women to crack this code. Sierra Ferrell, Kaitlin Butts, Sarah Jarosz, and others from the independent/Americana side give us similar hope. And this is just the start.
But if nothing else, we need to start discussing this matter once again, and in open, diverse, heterodox, and nuanced discussions. We know this is a problem. Shoving data down our throats, making the issue political, and other polarizing approaches is only going to impinge on the ability of this issue to find consensus among country music fans and industry members to actually think about it and work to solve it.
And part of those solutions need to involve out-of-the-box thinking. Country radio only represents country radio, not country music. On the Americana radio format, gender parity reigns, and Sierra Ferrell was the biggest artist on the format in 2024, while mainstream women like Kacey Musgraves used it to their success. Instead of fighting over the fate of mainstream country radio which is similar to re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, we need to work on future-forward solutions, including building new, independent infrastructure that doesn’t institutionally put women second.
This isn’t going to be easy. This is truly the hardest problem to solve in country music. But we know it’s possible. We know even in the ’70s when the Outlaws were reshaping country music and creating an economic surge, women were still succeeding, and were a part of that success. In the ’90s even among the massive popularity of Garth Brooks, Alan Jackson, etc., women still played a major role.
With so much renewed popularity, interest, and economic activity surrounding country music at the moment, this is an excellent opportunity to take that energy, and make sure it’s going to deserving women as well. And it all must start at the very grassroots level and developing up-and-comers who will become the next star women of country music. This entry-level emphasis is the most difficult part of the problem, but the most important part of the long-term solution.
In 2014 when everything seemed the most bleak in country music, an artist by the name of Sturgill Simpson released an album called Metamodern Sounds in Country Music. Then through a series of events, country music started to extricate itself from the throes of Bro-Country. The world started to awaken to the fact that they had alternatives in country compared to what they were presented on country radio, and independent performers started rivaling, then at times surpassing their mainstream counterparts to the point where even major labels started singing them to autonomous distribution deals.
This same possibility is out there for women. But we need a new, fresh approach and push. We need both bold ideas, but very real on-the-ground support. We need a moonshot, but we also need simple awareness.
In 2025, this is the pledge from Saving Country Music. Nobody can guarantee results. But we can all commit to actually caring and addressing this problem. It’s not going to only take a year to solve. It’s going to take multiple years. It’s going to take vigilance. It’s going to take people reaching out across ideological, societal, economic, and the independent/mainstream divide. But it’s all very possible.
And for those that think this is a non-issue, don’t care, or wish everyone would just shut up about it already, tough shit. This is the final frontier, the final issue to solve to “save country music.” We tackle it because it’s the hardest one to take on. It doesn’t matter how popular this topic is among country music fans, Saving Country Music readers, or social media followers. It doesn’t matter how much people on the political right see it as a political mater or a “woke” initiative.
Women may never reach 50% representation on country radio or country festivals. In fact, that outcome is very likely simply from the demographic breakdown of the country format. Not to say we shouldn’t strive for that. But we can reach a moment where if a woman has the God-given talent to be a country star, she’s bestowed the same opportunities of a man to attain it, and we all feel confident in saying that’s the case.
Then, and only then, will country music be saved, and we can all shut up about this issue once and for all.
Lee
January 7, 2025 @ 11:59 am
I’m always baffled by people who say they only listen to male artists or female artists. That’s a bizarre way of experiencing music.
Ralph
January 7, 2025 @ 3:28 pm
As male in my late-30s, I tend to gravitate more towards male country singers. And as Trigger pointed out, there’s just simply more of them to consume, so it’s easier.
Thanks to this website, I’ve found dozens of outstanding female country artists that I enjoy listening to. Sure, 75-80% of my playlists are still male, but it would be a mistake to close off all female country artists, either now or historically. In fact, Sierra Ferrell last year was one of my favorite shows and her show was easily same category as early Childers, Sturgill, Stapleton, Troubadours, Colter, etc. (or dare I say even better). I get steering towards musicians of the same sex, but sticking only to one sex is a disservice to yourself.
Johhny Plushbottom
January 8, 2025 @ 11:46 am
BIZARRE yeth yeth…..but what is normal anyway ???
Tyller Gummersall
January 7, 2025 @ 12:07 pm
Amen, go get em Trigger!
Brian B
January 7, 2025 @ 9:50 pm
There have been countless female country singers who are largely represented that only their first names are needed. Think Dolly, Tammy, Loretta and Patsy. You could include Emmylou in the first name club, and Linda Ronstadt should be in the country music HOF, and someday probably will be.
Combo
January 7, 2025 @ 12:15 pm
This is amazing, Trigger.
My own personal experience is that the more opportunities I had to listen to women country artists, the more I just put them in my rotation. That being said, I did have to make a concerted effort. I listened to some I didn’t care for, and then I found some artists I absolutely love and have on repeat.
The trouble is, when a subpar song from a country woman comes out, it gets lumped into all of women in country music. The challenge is to simultaneously promote women while at the same time removing the “woman” label. They are country artists, some of them traditional, some rock-country, some pop-country, and they should be respected as such. That’s not to say some women are more focused on feminist issue, the same way some male artists sing about being a man.
I really hope this final issue makes progress on being solved, because the wider net music enjoyers casts, the more styles and more artists they are going to find.
Think of all the great songs people miss out on by skipping a song because the artist’s first name is Amanda or Ashley. Women have always been an important part of country music history, and I hope they become an important part to the present and future of country music.
RJ
January 7, 2025 @ 12:35 pm
Totally innocent question here – please nobody kill me. I am actually wondering this because I do not know the answer. Do you think that it could be that far more folks want to hear men sing country simply because they like a man’s voice singing country? It is a collection of sounds after all. I think it is an important thing to try and qualify or quantify because it impacts this issue.
Combo
January 7, 2025 @ 12:38 pm
It could be, for sure! I wonder if some people would prefer alto women singers, compared to sopranos then. In the same way that some people don’t like men singers with higher pitched voices.
This is a really hard thing to quantity, but I would be very interested in looking up if anyone has done a survey on this sort of thing.
CJ Ellis
January 7, 2025 @ 12:42 pm
I think that’s definitely part of it. And personal preference is perfectly valid. However, I do believe those people do miss out on some real quality country music performed by the ladies. I would say I typically prefer male voices, but some of my favorite songs are by female artists. But again, it all comes down to personal preference.
Di Harris
January 7, 2025 @ 12:45 pm
“Do you think that it could be that far more folks want to hear men sing country simply because they like a man’s voice singing country?”
YES.
And, throw in Dolly’s Mule Skinner Blues now and then.
Give me Ann & Nancy Wilson, Joan Jett, for female Rockers, and all is well.
CK
January 9, 2025 @ 3:50 am
Di with all due respect we are talking about female country singers and then you start babbling about female rock singers. Your comments miss the mark as always. I sincerely feel a little stupider every time I bother to read anything you post.
Di Harris
January 9, 2025 @ 9:58 am
Bless your heart.
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 2:18 pm
Taste is subjective. And though I personally don’t factor gender into what I like or don’t like, I understand that some might. I even understand that due to the kind of machismo nature of country music, this may factor into the equation more than other genres. It’s also important to recognize that a lot of women who listen to country prefer men, so it’s not just a male-driven phenomenon.
My counter-argument would be that the public doesn’t even know if they like the women of country or not because they’re not being exposed to them. When I was sitting in a tire shop earlier this year and heard 30 country songs play and not a single one featured a solo woman, that illustrates the massive lack of exposure. Country radio has had 60+ opportunities to feature a woman of country at the #1 spot on radio, and counting, and have failed to.
What ends up happening is saying “I don’t really like woman singers” becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Just like independent artists, as soon as the public was exposed to them through things like “Yellowstone,” they immediately gravitated towards them.
It’s not just a situation where you have a majority of men to women. In many instances now you have 100% men, and no women at all. So how do you even know if the public likes something since they’re never exposed to it?
RJ
January 7, 2025 @ 3:27 pm
THAT is why I try not to say my thoughts like they are facts. The “tire shop factor” would be the most emphasized point I could imagine on this topic. Maybe Caitlyn Rose would sing a better version of Marie by Towns Van Zandt than JP Harris for all I know.
Myron
January 7, 2025 @ 3:52 pm
I think it’s not so much the voice preference, I think the big thing is the perspective of the singer and the subject of the songs. It’s easy to identify with all the manly songs, to think I should have been a cowboy or remember driving down Whitehouse road. It’s harder for me to sing along with Mary Chapin Carpenter wanting to leave her hardworking husband. I think Reba is an amazing singer, but just could never get behind all the bad girl other woman songs.
Some songs are timeless and universal, like many of Dolly Parton’s or Fleetwood Mac’s. I think that is the key to it, to not cater the lyrics to a certain audience, or that’s the only people that will buy it.
I have 5 daughters, and I love digging up the 90’s ladies songs to show them. Patty Loveless and Leann Womack and many others have amazing voices. Alison Krauss converted my then fiancé, now wife to country music(sort of), which I couldn’t do. Patsy Cline still gives me a chill. You may not like Shania Twain, but there is no doubt she is a fine singer and a phenomenon.
So where can anyone find this music now? We get the CDs for $1 at the thrift store.
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 3:59 pm
I completely understand this, and I agree that perspective can be a big factor as to whether a song speaks to you or not. But not to come across as homophobic or something, but I can just have a deeper emotional connection with a woman than I can with a man. I can commiserate and identify with a man through a song for 5 minutes. But with a woman I can fall in love with her for five minutes. In my opinion, both of those experiences are important to getting the most out of music.
Myron
January 7, 2025 @ 5:28 pm
Agreed. Hearing a woman sing a love song is not a problem. That is a universal theme.
Sofus
January 8, 2025 @ 12:09 am
Try Kay Adams.
Jackalope
January 8, 2025 @ 9:14 am
I can see that, I tend to prefer female artists because I they’re usually singing about things I relate to as a woman. That doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy male singers, or relate to their songs, just that women have an ‘in’ with me so to speak. However, sometimes a change in perspective can change a song slightly and it’s fun to hear. Straight Tequilla Night is an amazing song, and John Anderson kills it. But Ashley McBride has a version that I relate to more. Maybe, because it’s a song about a heartbroken woman, and I like the nuance that a woman gives it.
Stellar
January 7, 2025 @ 5:32 pm
Nobody had this opinion in the ’90s when there was more of a mix of genders on the radio. There’s absolutely no reason to have this opinion if you listen to independent country where there’s a wide variety of topics and styles usually lumped together in one playlist.
You do not form your preferences in a vacuum.
If all you hear when you listen to country music is male singers, your brain will automatically associate the male voice only with country music, and it will become your preference.
Again, in the 90s people didn’t have this opinion and that is widely considered a very good time period for quality country music.
All of you guys who think you only prefer male artists are having your tastes formed by algorithms, radio programming choices, etc.
It’s a self-reinforcing problem that makes women a smaller and smaller minority of playlists and radio play..
Jake
January 8, 2025 @ 10:56 am
The first thing I try to figure out when I enjoy a song is, “what genitals does this person have, and when choosing a sexual partner, which set of genitals would that person prefer?”.
Good Lord, this BS is tired. People like what they like; there’s not some grand conspiracy to keep (insert supposed victim class here) from being successful. If anything, the opposite is true.
Matt
January 9, 2025 @ 4:48 pm
It’s certainly a possibility, but I think all you have to do is start listing off women in country music to mostly discount it. I mean, Dolly, Reba, the Judds, Loretta Lynn, Patsy Cline, June Carter, Shania Twain, Tammy Wynette, Tanya Tucker, Emmylou Harris, etc etc etc. There have been plenty of women who have been extremely successful country artists, but not nearly as many lately.
JB-Chicago
January 7, 2025 @ 12:38 pm
Nice write up Trig, and it absolutely has to keep being addressed. Everyone knows I support the gals, both the national and my local ones, probably even more. I don’t know what percentage are in my rotation at any given time or how many female headline shows I went to vs male, etc….. and I don’t wanna have to start keeping track. All I know is if you surveyed 100 Country fans that are women and asked them, “Name your favorite Country artists,” very few would mention a female. It’s probably close to the same if you asked men. In over 50 yrs in and around the business, I don’t have the answer. You can’t force folks to like something they don’t, but they’re missing out on some amazing songs, and that’s their loss!
CJ Ellis
January 7, 2025 @ 12:39 pm
Completely agree with you Trig. The current crop of “mainstream” female artists is overall much better (and arguably countrier) than the crop of male artists. They absolutely deserve more attention and support. And of course, continuing to support independent artists is essential as well.
Mitch
January 7, 2025 @ 12:55 pm
I understand men only listening to men, because it used to be me. Not for any particular reason, it’s just what I did. Now, Sierra Ferrell is practically my favorite musician. Bella White is spinning on my record player weekly. I ordered 3 Lori McKenna Albums last week. Kaitlin Butts is in my top 20 albums of the year. I saw Alison Krauss live last summer. I am seeing Gillian Welch live this year. The list goes on!
LukeTX
January 7, 2025 @ 1:30 pm
I think the talk about inclusion in Country music misses a key point: women just simply aren’t trying to make music in country music as much as men and aren’t covering nearly as much ground. This is a fact that supersedes country music altogether. Probably 80% of new artists trying to make it in Country, Rap, or Heavy Rock are male, so the surprise when it’s mainly men making it big there is a bit silly. If you go to a genre like hyperpop it’s probably 90% female dominated and you could make the opposite concerns with that.
And then in my opinion there’s not many female country covering new ground and pushing boundaries in the same ways the successful male artists are. As far as I’m aware there are no artists putting metamodern sounds into country music like Sturgill, no half rock half female lead bands like Whiskey Myers, and the only Tyler Childers/Zach Bryan female artist going the OurVinyl route quickly jumped to pop (Morgan Wade). Most of the women artists you mentioned in your Artist of 2024 article all fall into a fairly narrow slice of retro-country music.
And this isn’t me complaining about women or anything, it just seems like most of the boundary pushing successful women in music are doing it outside of country music. In my top listened artists of 2024 about 2/5ths were women but only Megan Moroney was for country. Chappell Roan, The Last Dinner Party, The Warning all found some form of breakout success in 2024 by pushing boundaries, they just weren’t country boundaries.
So it seems to me that the problem isn’t that women aren’t seeing the same success as men in country music, but that they aren’t trying to make it in country compared to other genre scenes that may seem more appealing. The criticism for artists like Megan Moroney certainly doesn’t help that.
Cackalack
January 7, 2025 @ 2:53 pm
I think a significant part of this is that the entry level for a female professional in country music is significantly harder than it is for a male. I’m male, so I can’t speak to it fully, but I’ve seen it in person. Not necessarily because the country radio deep state is enforcing a glass ceiling (at the low levels), but just all the extra s— that female performers have to put up with that us boys don’t. Sexual harassment, manipulative industry creeps, bar owners with a hundred plus pounds on her making demands or skating on payments, not being taken seriously by sound guys, hell, even having to do makeup in a moving van before ANY kind of public appearance
LukeTX
January 7, 2025 @ 3:31 pm
I don’t disagree that women musicians have a lot more problems to put up with then males, but do you think that those issues exist disproportionately so in country as opposed to Pop? I don’t, if anything people like Chappell Roan have gotten even more flame and criticism then anything I’ve seen thrown at like Ella Langley or Megan Moroney.
Cackalack
January 7, 2025 @ 4:30 pm
To be honest, I have no idea whatsoever. I’m a country/bluegrass sideman, I don’t exist in the pop world. I do think ( I’m just speculating though!) that the road to pop success isn’t paved with Wednesday night honky-tonk gigs & rusty Econolines as much as country is. Those folks seem to work their way up through playing the social media and streaming game. That could be just as abusive in a different way, I don’t know.
Keep in mind that I’m talking about the low levels here. I just know I’ve seen a bunch of very talented women get weeded out before they even had a chance to make an impact.
Strait
January 7, 2025 @ 3:33 pm
It doesn’t help that some of the good ones leave Country to make Pop music after only a few albums.
LukeTx
January 7, 2025 @ 4:02 pm
Yeah, its problem after problem that compound to ensure not many women are making it big in country music and articles like this that make it seem like its the systems fault just make it worse.
You don’t have many women gritting their teeth and doing open mics and such to get into the business in the first place (again, I’d wager its probably an 80/20 difference). Then most of them don’t do much to stand out and play the same retro-country songs. And then many of them spam their instagram stories with politics for no reason and drive away a chunk of their fans, and then yeah as you said the few that get popular in country don’t explore new avenues in country, they just leave it. Morgan Wade, Brandi Carlisle, Taylor Swift.
Or I guess we could continue just acting like its the system’s fault and pretend that female artists doing really well right now like Megan Moroney that aren’t shooting themselves in the foot are just a fluke.
Strait
January 7, 2025 @ 8:14 pm
This is a good point. The disparity of male vs. female performers is judged by the percentages of those that “make it” and end up on festival lineups and the radio…. vs. the percentage of how many compared to men are still in the trenches trying to make it week after week.
Sylvia Payton
January 8, 2025 @ 12:13 pm
Fake “strait” you have a point there. However, the real country legendary “George Strait” doesn’t comment on silly immature comments about silly topics on “saving country music.” As a George Strait fan, it is troubling. In order not to confuse other George Strait fans like you did me, for the purpose of clarity I suggest you use other forms of identification. The king of Country Music deserves better respect,
CK
January 9, 2025 @ 4:13 am
Amen. Fake Strait has a lot of good insight into country music, but the dumbest screen name around
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 4:04 pm
As I tried to emphasize in the article, part of the “women in country music” issue is one of inventory and population. There’s just less women making country music, they release less songs and albums, and they tend to tour less. This means if you’re trying to make a country playlist or book a country festival, availability becomes a factor.
It’s hard to know if we’re putting the cart before the horse though. Are there less women because they’re not being supported and can’t even get off the ground floor? That’s why I think one of the most important ways to address this issue is making sure up-and-comers are getting the attention they deserve.
LukeTx
January 7, 2025 @ 4:28 pm
I think that’s fair, and I really agree with looking at the whole cart before the horse. Find the issue, and suggest changes, I’d love to see more women in country music. I’ve listened to a lot of female music this year and its made me kinda sad how little of it is in my favorite genre of country.
I guess I just don’t think looking at a number metric perspective is helpful. I couldn’t care less if there were a even split between men and women finding success, I care if certain women were being suppressed, which would have to be a case by case basis. I think Sierra Ferrell is a good example, where I remember this time 2 years ago (after being turned onto her by you, thanks lol) that she was suffering the same fate as other women in country music for being a women. But then as shes toured more and released imo more refined music shes got tens of millions of listens now not even counting her collabs. So it seems something shes doing is working and maybe it wasn’t just her being locked out for being a woman those years ago (I guess we’ll see how it keeps going). Ella Langley is another great example, where jumping around the genre releasing some more rock (Thats why we fight) or some more mainstream songs has boosted her altogether. ‘weren’t for the wind’ was an extra track on her album with no collabs and is currently sitting at 28 Million listens on spotify despite only coming out around 2 months ago. Seems like there’s women breaking through, so for the ones not seeing any traction there’s probably more then just the system holding them back.
Strait
January 7, 2025 @ 8:21 pm
A reocurring theme I hear for older dudes who were in the music business is that it is easier to book and manage male acts than it is female acts.
Strait
January 7, 2025 @ 1:34 pm
Country radio and terrestrial TV stations are basically dead mediums at this point. Maybe high-speed internet would have killed both at some point anyway even if the Telecommunications act of 96′ wasn’t passed. It is however a ray of sunshine on this issue when someone like Zach Bryan duets with female acts of varying popularity. I don’t see any other effective way to introduce people to new music from female artists other than the promotion of good independent internet radio stations and good podcast appearences on platforms many with septum rings deem as evil (Joe Rogan). There is absolutely an ongoing battle for our attention which is why entertaining and talented gatekeepers and “DJ’s” is of utmost importance for music.
I will say this to female performers though, while I am not receptive to political pandering that I would be inclined to agree with, having an open disdain for Republicans, Trump supporter’s, etc is quite literally shooting yourself in the foot if you intend to grow your audience. I am not going to throw out examples here but there is no way to openly mock people you disagree with politically and somehow expect them to drop their beliefs and politically support your side and your music. Again I am not talking about political pandering but instead politically neutral music, and music that shows a love for both men and women and the common non-college educated working man. Jason Isbell is just that good where he can be a liberal asshat and have a successfull career – but the rest of you can’t. I am a man with functioning testicles – I don’t want to hear girl-power songs. When I listen to Patty Loveless, Dolly Parton, 90’s and 80’s and back female country there is a very clear appreciation for men. I think female country has slowly lost that, especially independent music. You can have your political beliefs but if you make it a grandstand for your beliefs don’t be surprised if others tune it out.
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 2:42 pm
If there was one point I’d want to underscore from this article, it’s how intertwining this issue with politics like many of the leaders of the movement did made it polarizing to the point where people were turned off by it, and it eroded consensus behind the concern. Most country music fans when presented with the data and facts can see there is a problem. They might disagree at the severity of it or what to do about it. But when you present it as a political problem as opposed to a musical one, they’re going to get turned off immediately.
Strait
January 7, 2025 @ 3:04 pm
I recognize that there is a disparity in listenership between the sexes. A decent chunk of my favorite Country songs of all time were written and performed by women. I meant my comments more as a way to detail how the growing divide between men and women (which more than indirectly involves politics) is only going to hurt the success of female country singers. I believe that a singer has to “like” their audience and that listeners can subconsciously tell if a singer has a disdain for them. The darlings of NPR aren’t going to win over middle-class America if there is an undercurrent of disdain for the middle-class demographic.
Two song examples I think do a great job of appealing to both sexes is Noeline Hoffman’s ‘Rodeo Junkies’ (I know I’ve mentioned her before) and Patty Loveless’s ‘You don’t even know who I am.'” Both speak to faults of both the male and female character. PL has spoken about performing songs meant to appeal to both sexes.
I’m not sure how true my assertion is here but I fully believe performers can’t creatively exist in their own little East Nashville echo chambers and expect to appeal to everyday people in flyover states – and I believe that is who you want showing up at these festivals buying tickets.
CK
January 9, 2025 @ 4:28 am
Fake Strait, please listen to Patty Loveless and Jim Lauderdale sing Halfway Down Live at the Ryman. No autotune, no gimmicks just two singers kicking some serious ass
Strait
January 7, 2025 @ 3:10 pm
And if the only acceptable answer is for the LISTENER to change his/her political beliefs, not listen to Joe Rogan, and take the MRNA vax, then maybe the disparity will only get worse. If the listener is expected to respond to verbal lashings of how they are wrong on social and political issues and they are expected to feel compelled to change their playlists I don’t think that’s gonna happen. I am only speaking of neutrality and a genunine “like” for the potential listener.
Sylvia Payton
January 8, 2025 @ 12:39 pm
Wow, the Prozac must be working. Keep up the good thought. But, you’re endangering the life and career of King George Strait and family when you’re off your medication so for God’s sake use a different name. The Strait family is my family. When you mess with them on social media, you’re messing with me. I have nothing to lose and don’t take foolishness from stupid people. Yes, I have rejoin social media. You are warned!
DB
January 7, 2025 @ 5:38 pm
Same as people whining about woman’s sports.
The media puts out what sells. Streaming services make listening to female country artists extremely easy and there are tons to listen to.
Like what you like and stop trying to get people to like what you like. Lol
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 6:19 pm
The women in sports analogy is a good one. That is why I said in the article that you can’t just demand women openers at festivals get paid the same as the male headliners and act like you’re “supporting women in music,” because that pipe dream will never happen. Instead, you’ve got to throw the support behind the women first, and get them where they’re drawing like the men. Then they will earn equally.
For years we heard about the low pay at the WNBA. Then Caitlin Clark came along, ratings and ticket demand soared, and now not just Caitlin Clark, but the entire WNBA is making more money. Country music needs a Caitlin Clark. Incidentally, we had one in Taylor Swift. Then she went pop.
Strait
January 7, 2025 @ 8:22 pm
Country music does have a Caitlin Clark….her name is Zach Bryan.
CountryKnight
January 9, 2025 @ 10:50 am
The WNBA still lost $50 million this past year.
If the NBA had any guts, it would have left the league drop into bankruptcy years ago.
Trigger
January 9, 2025 @ 11:45 am
CountryKnight,
This is why your comments hold so little value. What are you arguing for here? I said in both the article and in subsequent comments that the “women in sports” issue is why you can’t just demand equal pay for women in country without equal returns. But I think you would be an idiot to not notice the popularity of Caitlin Clark resulted in much more support behind the WNBA. The NBA is investing in the league. Amazon lost $2.7 billion in 2022, and has only shown profit in a handful of years. They’re also the biggest company in the world now. Taylor Swift is the most profitable artist in all of music, and started as a woman in country.
CountryKnight
January 9, 2025 @ 10:31 pm
Other commentators disagree with your assessment of my contributions.
The NBA has been investing in the WNBA for decades. Without that money, it would have died decades ago.
It survives merely because it is easier to take the financial loss than dealing with the media hysteria.
Every year, we get this article here. It is a solution looking for a problem. We need Fuzzy’s take again.
Prof. Jellybean von Nutcracker
January 7, 2025 @ 1:39 pm
Kyle, perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is. It’s time for some substantial percentage of articles on SCM to be written by women. No more of your exclusive male gaze!!
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 2:09 pm
Well unfortunately, Saving Country Music doesn’t have any money. That is why most all of the content is written by me. I don’t have a budget to pay any freelancers or contributors. But if a woman wanted to contribute something, especially on this topic, I would be more than happy to consider it, including if it is counter to my opinions or perspective.
In fact, Lindi Ortega years back wrote an op/ed about this very topic and contributed it to Saving Country Music, and I ran it. You can see it here:
https://savingcountrymusic.com/i-say-include-women-an-opinion-piece-by-lindi-ortega/
I’ve also been talking to women in the music industry to get their insight and opinions, and I look forward to sharing their words in the weeks and months to come.
But I also think it’s important to underscore that talk and articles are not enough. If they were, this problem would have been solved eight years ago. We need solutions. We need real-world action. The idea that think pieces behind paywalls can solve problems is one of the reasons this problem hasn’t been solved at all. What we all need to be asking ourselves (including myself) is “What are you DOING about it?”
Adam S
January 7, 2025 @ 3:54 pm
“I’ve also been talking to women in the music industry to get their insight and opinions, and I look forward to sharing their words in the weeks and months to come.”
Very happy to hear this, although yes action is better than words, but reaching out about this issue is in itself an action on your behalf.
Akade
January 7, 2025 @ 4:22 pm
Well, I’ll put it this way: Why not Jesse Welles AND Sarah Jarosz (as an example) for songwriter of the year? Why not Zach Top AND Kaitlin Butts (as an example) for Artist of the Year? Why not “Eagle Rare” AND “American Dreaming” (as an example) as Single of the Year? Why not “What You Love” AND “Purple Gas” as song of the year? And your playlist on Spotify is pretty male-heavy.
DB
January 7, 2025 @ 5:55 pm
Was thinking the same. Few female artists topping the lists on SCM. Maybe an award for just female artists and just male artists in each category. Or maybe just automatically give female artists higher album ratings so that we know what we should listen to?
I think Beyonce should have had the album of the year on SCM. She black and female.
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 6:13 pm
Well, first off, this is the reason Saving Country Music has a nomination process. That way many artists get recognized through awarding end-of-year winners. You combine that with the Essential Albums list, and this is an opportunity to highlight a greater portion of projects.
But I disagree with simply handing out awards to women to try and “support” them, or demanding 50/50 radio play to satisfy some arbitrary quota. Demanding these things is one of the reasons the “women in country music” movement has failed. That isn’t meritorious any more than ONLY awarding males because they’re males. You have to highlight the best in artists, the best in songs, the best in albums, women or men. That is how you make a strong case for them, similar to what we have done for independent artists. Take the best of what women are doing in country music, and push that forward honestly.
Douglas Trapasso
January 8, 2025 @ 7:49 am
Is it a Back of the House issue too, Trigger? Is the leadership at streaming companies, indie promo places, radio stations (Google that last one, kids) predominately male? Is it sexist to believe that women in those positions would notice potential talent sooner than their male co-workers would?
Trigger
January 8, 2025 @ 8:52 am
I think the idea that “country music” is predominantly male run, and these males as a default reduce the number of women because of gender biases is a somewhat simple and cynical way to look at the problem. Could some of that be happening? Sure. But there’s also a lot of women in positions of power in mainstream country music. And just like a lot of mainstream country listeners, those women tend to prefer male artists, in part due to the perception they make more money.
Mainstream country music is a business first. Then all other concerns come into play. They’re going to support whoever they think is going to make them the most money. The preconception is women don’t sell. We have to address and combat that preconception that puts women in a secondary role from the very start, even when they get signed to a major label.
Sylvia Payton
January 8, 2025 @ 12:58 pm
Ahaahahhhhhhhhaaaaahhhhaaa! Is about time someone stop your foolishness too, Trigger!. If you want to remain in the U.S.A you must abide by the rules. Poisoning the minds of American youths is unacceptable. Texas’ history is written in stone and adequately portrayed in the movie: “Texas Uprising.” Perhaps, you might want to visit Ozzy’s Wikipedia page and his atonement to “The Alamo.” Nothing you’re thinking and writing about is new. We shall be watching.
CK
January 9, 2025 @ 5:04 am
Thank you for this bundle of nonsense. Reminds me to be thankful for my own mental health
Sylvia Payton
January 10, 2025 @ 6:23 pm
As someone who has done a lot of research in my day, I must admit Trigger you’re thorough!. However, what you’re lacking is organization. No human can be a specialist on ALL genre of music as you are purporting to be in your responses to “Your” written articles. The financial problem can be solved when you hire volunteer specialists in the four major genres of music that you have been attempting to cover since 2008. If you are interested in having a volunteer specialist cover Traditional Country Music and Country Legends, then you can sign me up. I know I will be an asset to “Saving Country Music”
PeterT
January 7, 2025 @ 1:45 pm
Great post!!
The quality of the female artists in independent country is through the roof right now. Sierra Ferrell, Kaitlin Butts, Noeline Hofmann, Bella White, Rachel Baiman, Emily Nenni (whose record I discovered from your year end list and have listened to her record so much the last month she is already sure of a spot on my 2025 spotify wrapped).
I think what I find a little disappointing is seeing how these artists are showing up at the top of award and year end lists (rightly so), but are opening acts on the festival circuits.
Adam S
January 7, 2025 @ 1:49 pm
I think you’ve been doing a great job highlighting women in country, particularly in your year end awards. Respect. It’s definitely going to be a tough fight, but if anyone can make change, I think you can, although I think some of the fights you choose to pick may be counterproductive. Didn’t your favorite punching bag (however valid your criticism) get a number one on country radio?
I’m curious if you have any concrete plans on how best to use your platform to address this? I’d be interested in a playlist highlighting up and coming women in country, outside of your standard top 25. I’m not sure most on the leftier side of country journalism or the industry would be amenable, but I imagine you may be able to find some unlikely allies.
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 2:35 pm
Not sure who my “favorite punching bag” is, but part of the reason for me collecting my thoughts in this article is to call myself on my own bullshit, challenge myself to figure out how to address issue better, and doubling down on my commitment to it. I’ve definitely made mistakes in the past when trying to address this issue, and I think we all need to be asking what WORKS as opposed to what signals to the world that we’re trying to work on this issue in a way that simply earns us online Brownie points.
Specifically, I’m planning a series of articles about this topic. But more specifically, it is continuing to make sure the best of country women is being exposed to the public. Frankly, I think things like all women playlists are part of the problem. There are thousands of them out there with few followers. What better is to use the popularity of men to expose their fan bases to women who fans of those men will like.
If you look at the SCM Top 25 Playlist at the moment, it’s not 50/50 women. But I’ve got women or women-led acts at the #4, #5, #7, and #8 spots. But I didn’t put them there because they’re women. I put them there because they’re badass songs that hopefully introduce these women to a bigger audience. And by putting them on the same playlist as Vincent Neil Emerson, J.R. Carroll, and Stephen Wilson Jr. who already have big fan bases, hopefully this turns folks on to these women.
Having discussions on how to playlist women in a way that actually helps them I think is one of many topics to discuss. I could make a playlist of women only and get 300 followers on it. Or, I can put them on a playlist that already has 10,300+ followers, and get them way more exposure.
Adam S
January 7, 2025 @ 3:29 pm
“Not sure who my “favorite punching bag” is”
I think from the context of a number one in country and the fact you mentioned her in this very article should have been obvious that I was referring to Beyonce. You’ve written multiple articles about her and mention her in otherwise unrelated articles. I’d guess the two women that you have written about or commented on the most this year would be her and Sierra Ferrell.
“Frankly, I think things like all women playlists are part of the problem. There are thousands of them out there with few followers.”
I think this is fair and you are probably going about this better by mixing them into your larger playlists, although I think your voice would travel further than a lot of these other playlists, especially since you reach a different audience. But I definitely respect your approach.
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 4:09 pm
It wasn’t obvious to me that you were talking about Beyonce at all. I actually thought you maybe were talking about Maren Morris.
I honestly don;t thinking I’m “punching” at Beyonce. I think I’m one of the few that’s actually listening to her, and understanding that her artistic intent was to “bend and blend genres” as opposed to making a country album, and putting her in a country box is limiting to her art.
I’d rather address the whole playlist thing in a separate article. But there is no lack of “discovers country women” playlists. There’s hundreds of them that have 9 followers, 23 followers, and hundreds of songs poorly curated, if curated at all, that are simply created because somebody wanted to “do something” for country women. I think we have to be smarter than that. And yes, time is a factor, and making sure we’re spending our time smartly on this issue.
Adam S
January 7, 2025 @ 4:31 pm
“It wasn’t obvious to me that you were talking about Beyonce at all. I actually thought you maybe were talking about Maren Morris.”
That’s fair, although I definitely think you’ve written more about Beyonce, and only one of them has a number one afaik. I didn’t think I was totally fair to you when I wrote that, and I agree with a lot of your analysis but definitely not all of it. But regardless of blending genres within an album, I think you’re unfair in your refusal to acknowledge some songs as well within mainstream radio country.
But even acknowledging my inaccurate description of your depiction of her, didn’t she have a number one on country radio or were you using a different metric?
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 5:39 pm
Maren Morris has three #1s on country radio. Beyonce has zero. “Texas Hold ‘Em” was a #1 on the Hot Country Songs chart, but Beyonce’s label pulled all radio support behind the song and all singles in April from reasons I still don’t understand. Beyonce could have had a #1, but abandoned al promotion behind the album.
Maren Morris also has a #1 on the Hot Country Songs with “The Bones.” Morris was one of the few women country radio actually supported. So when she jumped the genre, once again, it left a hole that country radio is struggling to fill.
Adam S
January 8, 2025 @ 8:31 am
Okay fair enough. I wasn’t sure which metric you were using, there’s a bunch of ratings that get jumbled to me that I don’t really care about since it’s all a racket anyways.
Adam S
January 7, 2025 @ 3:39 pm
Apologies for double posting, but,
“I could make a playlist of women only and get 300 followers on it. Or, I can put them on a playlist that already has 10,300+ followers, and get them way more exposure.”
This is a false dilemma. I don’t disagree that you will be more effective in your approach, but it’s not really an “or” situation, especially if you’re as committed to this cause as I believe you are. I guess there is still a cost in your time, but I appreciated you highlighting black artists in response to Beyonce’s number 1, even if all of those artists didn’t make your top 25.
trarmer
January 7, 2025 @ 2:54 pm
Good music is good music. I’ve never cared about an artist or band’s genitalia. I prefer a good female voice to a man’s – probably why I spun that Kaitlyn Butt’s Ourvinyl session obsessively. Two thoughts: 1. When I was a teenager me and a bunch of other guys wanted to start/be in bands. Girls didn’t do that in the same numbers. Girls played piano or in school band but not as many in a garage band to start gigging. (Kinda like I never was inclined to play with dolls or care if my socks matched my belt.) Sexes are different and that’s okay. 2. If she’s not good-looking she’s gotta be super talented to gather interest. If she’s so-so talented but hot, she’ll get a lift from her looks. And this is not just because a man makes it so either. Women judge women on their appearance a helluva lot more than a man does in my experience. Ugly dudes turn hot once they’re a musician (just look at Eddie Veder). The same is not true for ugly gals. I’m not saying it should be this way but I think it is. Looks count more for a lady than a dude.
Hank Charles
January 7, 2025 @ 3:14 pm
A mission that would definitely be furthered if Kat Hasty would just drop the damn album already!
In other “extremely talented female musician” news, judging from the house party performance I just went to a few weeks ago, King Margo appears to be performing as “The Gabe Lee Band” as of late. Not sure if that’s permanent or not because I know they’re all friends, but thats an absurd amount of talent in one group.
RCB
January 7, 2025 @ 3:16 pm
Trig – real question: what were the numbers like during the most equal period? In other words, during the most equal period of time in country music, whenever that was, what were the relative frequency of male/female #1 songs? Or comparative album/single sale numbers?
It might help to get a sense of the nature of the problem if we had a quantitative comparison. Even understanding the difficulty in comparing charts and sales numbers across time.
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 4:19 pm
There are scores of articles that have been published over the last 10 years illustrating how support for women in country has never been so low, especially on radio, and 2024 is the worst of them all. In fact one frustrating thing is how you can focus almost solely on this data as opposed to trying to figure out how to reverse it with real world initiatives. We know there’s a problem.
But one great example I like to cite is the career of Mary Chapin Carpenter. She was basically a folk artist in the country market in the early-mid ’90s when Garth, Alan Jackson, Clint Black, etc. were at their peak, and she still had an incredible run. She only had one #1, but she had three #2s, nine Top 10s and 18 straight Top 20 songs between 1989 and 1994. That would be unheard of today. Comparatively, Kacey Musgraves had one Top 10 on country radio “Merry Go ‘Round.” Except for that, she never cracked the Top 20, and she’s probably one of the biggest women of this era.
RCB
January 7, 2025 @ 4:48 pm
I’m a quant guy, so looking at this helped me to understand how much worse things are now in terms of representation.
Looking at Hot Country Singles (just to pick a chart), in 1994 (to pick a semi-arbitrary year), there were 8 weeks with a woman at #1 (Faith x 5, Trisha x2, MCC x1).
1995 had 8 (Pam Tillis x2, Trisha x2, Reba x1, Shania x2, Lorrie Morgan x1).
1996 had a comparatively staggering 19, by 9 different artists. (Faith x3, Shania x5, Martina x1, Patty Loveless x3, Wynona x1, Mindy Macready x1, Trisha x2, Deana Carter x2, Leann Rimes x1).
Then, just picking a random year in the ’70s – 1973, there were 17, not counting duets.
1965 had 3, not counting duets. 1968 had 11, not counting duets.
How about the ’50’s, not exactly known for gender equality. 1955 (looking at the Best Sellers subchart) had Zero. ’56 likewise had none. ’57 also zero. But, charts were much stickier back then, with less turnover in general.
Thus, based on this highly scientific and entirely unimpeachable methodology, we can confidently say with no basis for methodological dispute that gender equality in country has not been this bad since the ’50s.
Seriously, though, I find looking at numbers like this a better way to get my head around the problem.
Fly By Night Tofu Guzzler
January 7, 2025 @ 9:39 pm
Yes, I was thinking about Mary Chapin Carpenter, but also about Patty Loveless, Kathy Mattea (one of my ATF’s), Suzy Boguss, the Judds, Shania (yuck), Pam Tillis, Reba, and how can we not talk about the (Dixie) Chicks? They were huge. These are just the women I can remember off the top of my head while nursing a cold at 11:30 at night. It’s really disheartening to think that if Patty Loveless was coming up now she probably couldn’t get a shot. It’s also true that, say, MCC’s or Kathy Mattea’s style of country is not the 2025 style, but that’s too bad for 2025.
One other thing comes to mind: the male/female ratio is not so bad among young, contemporary bluegrass artists. Bronwyn Keith-Hynes, Sierra Hull, Molly Tuttle, Sister Sadie, Rhonda Vincent, AJ Lee and Blue Summit, are all headlining major festivals and releasing popular albums, and again, that’s just a few I can name off the top of my head late at night. If you can pick, being a woman won’t hold you back in contemporary bluegrass/acoustic music, I don’t think. Maddie Denton, for example, is smashing it with East Nash Grass and the Dan Tyminski Band, and of course the biggest news on the bluegrass side of the fence is ALLISON KRAUSS IS BACK! (But dang it, not near me on tour.)
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 11:17 pm
Both Americana and bluegrass offer great templates of how to support women in substantive ways that country proper could learn from. One thing that helps is these are more grassroots-style genres, so it lends to supporting up-and-comers and cultivating the best talent irrespective of gender, age, or even race, sexual orientation, etc.
One thing I like to point out as a Devil’s Advocate argument is when you consider bluegrass and Americana within the greater population of the “country” umbrella, the population of women doesn’t look so bad. Just because these artists aren’t on major labels or being played on mainstream radio doesn’t mean they don’t matter. I feel like its fair to include them in country’s greater population. But when you look at Texas/Red Dirt, the discrepancy of men vs. women might be even worse than it is in mainstream country.
PeterT
January 8, 2025 @ 9:14 am
Pop Country and independent country are operating as two seperate genres right now with limited overlap. The festivals are seperate, the listeners are largely seperate, the journalism is largely seperate. I don’t expect that to change. The fans find and listen to their music in different places. To that extent, what happens on pop country radio is only important if your care about pop country. While I broadly think it would be a good thing for more women to find success with high charting records and radio play I don’t think that would reflect on success in the independent country genre or vica versa.
It would be useful to think about what it means for women in independent country to be successful (I don’t think its radio play/charts). What are the metrics/benchmarks:
– Festival headlining (or direct support) spots
– Streaming numbers
– Awards / accolades (which I think they are getting)
– Ticket sales on their own tours
Lee
January 7, 2025 @ 3:24 pm
It doesn’t help that so many women who made it big in country or coming from country — Taylor Swift, Kacey Musgraves, Morgan Wade, Maren Morris, probably a bunch more — have tended to ditch the sound and veered toward pop instead.
I’m looking forward to hearing more from Noeline Hofmann.
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 4:25 pm
This is a very important point to understanding how we got here, and one I’ve made often over the years. As easy as it is to criticize the country industry for not supporting women, they puts TONS of support behind Taylor Swift, including two CMA Entertainer of the Year awards, only to see her switch genres. I do appreciate she was finally honest with us and called her music pop, but it left country music holding the bag when the biggest artist of the decade jumps ship.
Same goes with Kacey Musgraves and Maren Morris who received lots of awards (though Musgraves was barely supported at radio), but ultimately didn’t reciprocate that loyalty.
Megan
January 7, 2025 @ 11:40 pm
But, this is still an industry problem, at least with respect to Swift and Morris. The country industry was putting all of its support behind women who didn’t really want to be country, even pop country like Megan Moroney, yet still expecting loyalty from artists who were singing pop music and would rather be a part of that genre. It’s a little more complex with Musgraves, who actually did perform country music and was deserving of the support the country industry gave to her.
Rich
January 7, 2025 @ 3:32 pm
Excellent piece Trigger and with the progress that’s been made over the last 10 years I cannot think of a worthier initiative to try and tackle next. To me a big part of this falls on the artists themselves – the headliners that choose their openers – both the ladies and the guys. Guys, bring a woman or female-fronted band on tour with you, or if you use local support ask the venue to try and find a female to open. And since most of the time maybe half the folks in their seats are paying attention during the opener’s set, bring her up on stage during your set for a duet with the big kid amps and speakers. Think Jinks bringing out Erin Viancourt or the Red Clay Strays bringing out The Castellows for a classic country standard. Those moments are always captured on a million cell phone videos which wind up on YouTube. Better yet, the artist can professionally video and post it. Going to Jinks’ YouTube channel and coming across that duet will most definitely give Erin some great exposure. Eric Church and Ashley McBryde’s “Bible and a .44” currently stands at 11 million views. As for the rest of us, when attending a show with a female (or male for that matter) opener – show up, shut up, listen, and buy their merch.
Lastly, somebody please sign up Grace Tyler out of Texas and Sheyna Gee or Ashland Craft out of Nashville as openers for a large tour. Jackson Dean has Meg McCree opening for his upcoming tour. Props to Jackson.
JB-Chicago
January 7, 2025 @ 4:11 pm
Or how bout my boys The Rangers bringing up the Indy Annies for a show on your recommendation to me and mine to them and doing it again in June at Carol’s Pub. They’re also playing a co headline show together at Dukes Indy! That’s how it’s done!!!
Rich
January 7, 2025 @ 4:44 pm
Freakin awesome JB-C. Come down for the Dukes show and we’ll split a bucket of Lone Stars!
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 4:28 pm
When you bring up this issue with country fans and industry folks, you can get a lot of rolling of eyes. But with few exceptions, most ALL artists see this as an issue, and actively work to address it, just like you said. Guys love blending with female voices, and this is a great way to expose women to bigger audiences. They see this issue up front and first hand. They know how hard the women work, and how less attention and $$$ they receive.
Cackalack
January 7, 2025 @ 4:33 pm
AMEN.
T Mac
January 7, 2025 @ 6:30 pm
It does take a concerted effort of people that are entrenched to help create openings to let women shine. Give the platform, they’ll do the rest. I really appreciated Cody Canada making an all female opening set for Hangover Ball with Elle Gorman, Elysha LeMaster, Shelby Stone, & Graycie York. Of course on the meat of the night, it was Jamie Lin Wilson and 7 dudes but Cody absolutely believes in doing his part to support women’s opportunities in the business.
Ells Eastwood
January 7, 2025 @ 3:32 pm
Hear, hear!
Ben Parks
January 7, 2025 @ 3:47 pm
Bluegrass is a close relative of country music and doesn’t have the glaring gender gap that country music has. One reason for that may be bluegrass doesn’t pander to, or try to attract 20 year old douchebags. Tied in with that is the mainstream country radio/record company/media outlet conglomerate that tries to make country music something it’s not by trying to appeal to only the collage kids who want fun drinking/partying songs. I know some progress has been made in returning traditional country music to the masses, but not within those industries. Bluegrass has kept it’s traditions alive and appeals to pretty much all age groups, even the dreaded 55+ that advertisers ignore. Long ramble short, I think if mainstream country quit trying to appeal to high school and collage kids, they would find an audience more receptive to female artists.
Kevin Smith
January 7, 2025 @ 3:52 pm
I well remember Country radio Playlists during the 80s and 90s. It wasn’t a political issue. There were many women that became stars and had careers. Some of the forgotten names : Forrester Sisters, Sweethearts of the Rodeo, Terri Gibb, Deborah Allen, KT Oslin, Charly McClain, Shelly West, Sylvia, Janie Fricke, Lacy J Dalton, Juice Newton. ( yes many were very pop) Because there were women always in the top 40, and everyone listened to radio, everyone heard them. Sure there might be a song come on that annoyed you, but whatever. As music fans we weren’t so siloed like we are today. We all shared a common listening platform. Now everyone picks and chooses songs on Playlists like an ala carte menu. So, if like most listeners, you are predisposed to male artists then your Playlist won’t have a lot of the gals on it.
Of course it was never 50/50. Male performers outsold and still outsell the females. Part of it is the biological response and no amount of forcefeeding listeners or writing feminist thinkpieces are gonna change that. I don’t see that as abnormal, but because we are so far from a common listening experience, it’s not likely to balance out in any meaningful way.
Is be lying if I said I support all females. I pick my music by what moves me…period. I feel zero guilt about it because entertainment is my choice. Nonetheless, I do pay attention to the scene and like quite a few of the up and coming gals.
Finally, an observation from ground level in Nashville in the honky- tonks. There are some ladies fronting bands who do quite well in drawing crowds and making a living. My favorites at Robert’s are Wendy Newcomer as well as her other band 50 Shades of Hay, and Sarah Gayle Meech. They are in my opinion destination shows to see. Also The Timejumpers with Wendy Moten singing are well worth seeking out on Monday nights.
Smoked Maple Fatty
January 7, 2025 @ 4:07 pm
you could also make the argument you cant have a #1 on radio without a female, hearing all those forced corny duet songs all the time. high road is added to the list, and lainey wilson or ella dungley added to everything as a feature
David:The Duke of Everything
January 7, 2025 @ 4:34 pm
Good article and hopefully more women will find more success. However i prob wont be helping it. I just dont tend to like most female artist. I appreciate a song here or there but generally dont follow too many for long. Generally what they sing about i just dont find interest in. But i wish you well in your endeavors.
Tango_Whiskey
January 7, 2025 @ 5:31 pm
Once again, Trigger, I just want to thank you. You’ve turned me on to so much good music over the years. We are like minds in that we recognized the real artists weren’t getting the airplay even though, as you likely think, it was some of the most impactful music I had heard and it was just shocking.
For the folks saying Trigger is selling out, if you think that, then you must call any artist who has gotten popular recently as a sell-out. I don’t view Childers, Sturgill, Turnpike, or even Isbell as a sellout. All these artists have stayed true even with the rise in the popularity of the singer-songwriter movement.
It’s no different from Trigger. He stayed himself this entire time. You might say he is just releasing opinion articles for attention. That is the farthest from the truth. He was talking about Isbell before most people outside of Americana music were talking about him. At this time, Isbell wasn’t getting the GQ articles he is now. In some ways, he should thank Trigger. I wouldn’t know who Isbell is if it wasn’t for this site.
I say all that to disagree with Trigger here. There are two female artists who really stand out and deserve more attention (Sierra Ferrell and Molly Tuttle). Outside of that, I think you have a lot of talented females, but they don’t really hit that singer-songwriter itch. Meaning I can’t listen to their entire albums; I love many of their singles. I feel like I view music objectively, but can totally understand your point of view. I just know Sierra sells out in Oregon immediately, faster than other male artists I know.
Donnie C. Cutler
January 7, 2025 @ 5:50 pm
Trigger: You write:
But what is the economic issue? Why does the disparity exist? What has resulted in fewer women gaining popularity than men? Why do fewer women consider country music a viable career in the arts?
Well, those are political and social questions, and the answers drive the economic reality. To change the industry’s economic underpinnings, we must address the larger social and political issues.
Social issues are at the core of this problem. The economics will never change without an honest exploration of the socio-political issues.
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 9:02 pm
One of the reasons that this issue has not been solved or even measurably addressed in the last dozen years or so is because it’s been misdiagnosed by the some of the loudest voices who’ve put themselves in charge of championing it. These same voices have also used character assassination to eliminate any dissenting voices who offer alternative ideas or solutions. It is these people’s belief that the women of country music are being kept down due to a purposeful and concerted political effort by right wing conservatives who are sexists and misogynists who hate women and want to control them. In truth, the folks on Music Row could give a shit if an artist is male, female, White, Black, or a purple people eater. They want to make MONEY. If signing and promoting trans polka bands is what made them the most money, that is what they would do. It all comes down to the bottom line.
Are there certain societal and political issues downstream from the economic ones that perhaps also factor into this issue? Of course. That goes for everything in life. But the issue here is NOT that you have white straight males running the country music industry that are purposely against women. Cindy Mabe and Sarah Trahern are the 1 and 1A most powerful people in the country music industry. Everyone else from program directors at radio, to CEOs of other major labels are making economic decisions based on what they think will make them the most money for their investors and shareholders.
The reason this is an important point to underscore is because if you address this as a political issue, you can’t solve the problem without changing the political alignment of the country music industry, which just like the “women in country” issue, people have been trying to do for a dozen years, and colossally failing. If you look at it as an economic issue, then you can start addressing the economic factors that are making women less enticing for festivals to book, labels to sign, and radio to play. You can also stop focusing on a mythical cabal of straight white males that are trying to control women’s vaginas on Music Row, and spend more time cultivating grassroots support for talented women who could be the future success stories in country music and give women grater representation in the genre.
The truth is, many of the people who’ve championed this cause in the past don’t really give a shit about women in country music, or country music in general. They’re political apparatchiks larping as journalists attempting to use country music for a political project to shift America’s rural electorate from red to blue. They have perverse incentives to actually NOT solve the “women in country” issue because they use it to sow social capital, to earn tenure at university, and to fundraise. They have made it into their own private cottage industry. The worse it is for the women of country, the better it is for their personality brands.
Ask yourself, why did none of the women, journalists, activists, or organizations who purport to be for women in country music even lift a finger to support the all-women Key Western Fest in February of last year? They couldn’t even post about it on social media? What’s going on here?
I spoke about this more in this article:
https://savingcountrymusic.com/the-failed-political-project-to-reshape-the-american-electorate-through-country-music/
I will also be addressing this more in-depth as I continue to cover this issue.
DB
January 7, 2025 @ 5:59 pm
Maybe have some year end award categories for females only? Or just give female artists extra points to even things out. Beyonce would get even more as she’s also black.
Same as sports. People just prefer men sometimes.
Woke article!
Trigger
January 7, 2025 @ 6:08 pm
Boy , you’re going to have a really hard time convincing folks that Saving Country Music is advocating for Beyonce to win country awards when I’ve written about a dozen articles saying the contrary. You’re trying to fit this article into the political binary, instead of respecting the nuance brought to the subject.
“Woke article!”
Those dog whistles are just ringing in your ears, aren’t they DB!
wayne
January 7, 2025 @ 7:17 pm
Somehow it’s Garth’s fault. No doubt about it.
AltCountryFanatic
January 7, 2025 @ 7:35 pm
I (ashamedly) am as guilty as anyone. I bet 90% of my listening is to male artists, and if not for Miranda Lambert it might be pushing 98%. I don’t listen to country radio, so I don’t think that is the reason why.
Is it fair to stereotype that musical pursuit at the professional level is an overwhelmingly male pursuit? Something not mentioned here is the lack of female players. Even the female singers/artists are backed by males 99% of time time. It seems like it has always been this way, and not really even a country music thing.
I don’t know the proper proportion of female artists that should be listened to, because objectively there are many fewer females even trying to make country music.
It might be a self-fulfilling prophecy, but like other have mentioned I just don’t feel like I “connect” with many of the themes female artists tend to make songs about. Lainey Wilson singing about losing her virginity or Carrie Underwood singing about her cheating boyfriend just don’t strike a chord with me.
I’m not saying it’s fair or right. I surely have been impacted by unfair societal factors leading to my personal listening tastes and behaviors. But I also am not going to force myself to listen to something I don’t like, either.
I don’t know the answer, but I agree it is a noble cause.
Strait
January 7, 2025 @ 8:28 pm
I’m a tough sell for a lot of newer music but here are a few of my favorites and if you are at all interested in listening I am curious to see if this changes your mind at all:
Leanne Womack: ‘Some Things I Know’ (Entire album)
Martina McBride: ‘Timeless’ (Entire album)
Nancy Griffith “Love at the Five & Dime” (Live) – one of the best country songs ever written
Sierra Ferrell: Why’d Ya Do It (Song)
Dylan
January 7, 2025 @ 9:16 pm
I want women in country music to be given more industry support and resources if only to improve the mix/master quality on albums—independent/Americana suffer here the most. I’ve been introduced to many great woman singers through this blog: Emily Nenni, Kimmi Bitter, Karen Jonas, and Kaitlin Butts to name a handful. I’ve even been lucky enough to see some of the artists mentioned live. I enjoy their music but the thing that prevents me for giving these artists repeat listens is the audio quality and lack of polish in the mix/master jobs.
Sierra Ferrell finally put out a record with a mix worthy of the quality of her music last year. I listened to Trail of Flowers half a dozen times each week last year whereas previously I found myself enjoying her music through staged live recordings on YouTube. I understand that a lot of the same people worked on Long Time Coming—maybe Eddie Spear has the magic touch here? Noeline Hoffman’s EP is well-mixed. Bella White’s records sound great on the hi-fi.
Most of my favourite country music singers are male. This has always been the case. If more women on the independentish/Americana side had records out with Sierra-quality recordings I would be streaming more records by women singers. It’s simple. I don’t mind lo-fi recordings as a stylistic choice either but stuff that falls in the middle gets fewer repeat listens from me.
Paper Rosie
January 7, 2025 @ 9:29 pm
My main issue with women in country for a while now has been the songwriting. I guess Taylor Swift was the tipping point. We went from the many many great ladies of the 90’s, singing about marriage, loss, children, divorce, death, hard lessons, milestones, etc… to a much younger Taylor-Swift-like perspective where the singer sings about ‘a BOY who did me wrong’ or ‘a BOY I wish was mine’. It’s all very juvenile – for me anyway. Of course there are exceptions and I’m super glad to have those, but overall – what I hear from (the few) women in country lacks substance. (I do feel the same for a lot of the men nowadays as well.) I guess I’m harder on the women because the bar was set so high when I was growing up and I admired them. Can’t say I admire very many today – probably Miranda Lambert. Kacey Musgraves until she all too often has to bring politics into it. These women have timeless songs and they sing adult lyrics (they are probably considered old now I guess). When I was in grade school I was listening to 20-30 different country ladies who were killing it, sing about adult situations – and I loved it. And to say that nowadays they are just going after the young/target demographic doesn’t make sense to me. I’m not trying to sound like a hater, but I’m just over the teenager lyrics. For many years now what has been on country radio is unbearable. It has gotten a little better, but there is a lot of ‘meh’ out there. When I was younger there were just SO MANY hits (from men and women) to choose from. The radio, and country music, was a much different experience. I do want to hear more women artists and agree with this article – I just want them to sing about real stuff and not about ‘boy problems’ 99% of the time. And please be authentic. The other great thing about the 90’s ladies of country is they just got up there, sang their song, and blew you away. No gimmicks, no weird outfits – just real country music. And no one cared how old they were.
Tyler
January 7, 2025 @ 11:30 pm
Thank you for reopening this discussion. It’s an issue I’ve followed for years, though it seems to have faded from public attention. I cringe at other analyses framing the problem as complex or undefinable when it’s clearly rooted in sexism by industry gatekeepers. If calling it sexism offends some, so be it. This systemic bias predates Tomato-gate.
Around 1999-2001, I subscribed to an unofficial newsletter summarizing Billboard charts and trade journal tidbits. One article detailed a plan to “slow down” the country chart and reduce it from 75 to 60 songs, while consultants advised stations to prioritize male acts—a declaration of war on women.
One consultant claimed research showed women didn’t want to hear female artists, perpetuating the blame on women for their own disparity. This came at a time when the female icons of early ‘90s country–Reba, Pam, Trisha, Suzy, Mary Chapin, Patty, Lorrie, Tanya, Wynonna–had paved the way for Martina, Shania, Faith, Terri, LeAnn, Lee Ann, Jo Dee, Sara, and others. All of these women consistently sold gold, platinum, and multiplatinum, rivaling or surpassing their male counterparts. Record sales don’t impact radio metrics, but if the target audience avoided female acts, who bought all those CDs?
At the time, I dismissed the report as absurd and expected backlash to its temerity. But the trade journal’s limited reach may have muted public response. The newsletter ended, but as a chart-watching hobbyist, I saw the steady decline of women in country music. By Tomato-gate 15 years later, an entire generation of female artists had been sidelined. Now, a decade further, the problem has only worsened. This scheme should’ve been shut down 25 years ago.
Unfortunately, I lost access to that newsletter and its original article, but I continue to search for it. Every “women missing from country radio” article makes me hope someone will cite it as the origin story of this misguided strategy.
As you noted, country radio is less relevant than ever for reasons beyond the industry’s control, but excluding half the talent pool certainly contributed. For this, the gatekeepers bear sole responsibility.
Sofus
January 8, 2025 @ 12:10 am
More men than women listen to country, then and now.
Easy like that.
Trigger
January 8, 2025 @ 8:28 am
Actually when it comes to mainstream country and country radio, more women listen than men. It’s just the women don’t show a preference to women performers.
CountryKnight
January 8, 2025 @ 8:31 am
So it is like women’s sports where women don’t watch fellow their women but men are still blamed.
Trigger
January 8, 2025 @ 8:56 am
That’s the cynical view, right? The forward-thinking view is look what Caitlin Clark did for the WNBA. If we can have a Caitlin Clark moment for women in country, the support will start to flow because more people will be paying attention.
Nowhere in this article did I demand equal pay for women in country. In fact, I went out of my way to say that is NOT what I was lobbying for. Bringing up women in sports is a stock argument because it’s one you know you can win as opposed the argument that’s being offered here. What I’m lobbying for is equal opportunity. And in my opinion, if those equal opportunities present themselves, increased pay will come, just like we saw with Caitlin Clark.
CountryKnight
January 9, 2025 @ 10:38 pm
As I said, Clark’s historic year still resulted in a massive financial loss. Because the WNBA is a terrible product.
Taylor Swift was country music’s Clark. All our genre got was lousy music and a host of awful copycats.
Creating synthetic opportunities is the opposite of meritocracy.
Michelle
January 8, 2025 @ 12:47 am
I venture to say that in the 90’s, the number of women on the radio was roughly equal to the number of men. What happened? I’m not going to include a list, but I certainly wouldn’t need to look one up. I remember them all vividly.
Jonathan Brick
January 8, 2025 @ 2:31 am
Ay-aaaaay-meeeeeen.
Tom
January 8, 2025 @ 3:11 am
…let’s throw some facts into the discussion: for the past two years – arguably some of the most fruitful in country music history – the album of the year ranking of swiss country music monthly, which is a consenus/summary ranking based to a large part on opinion-leading us-contributors, among them scm, shows the following outcomes:
2023:
1. „Lucky“ – Megan Moroney
2. „Rolling Up The Welcome Mat“ – Kelsea Ballerini
3. „Weathervanes“ – Jason Isbell
4. „Higher“ – Chris Stapleton
5. „Leather“ – Cody Johnson
6. „Gettin‘ Old“ – Luke Combs
7. „The Devil I Know“ – Ashley McBryde
8. „Zach Bryan“ – Zach Bryan
9. „Brandy Clark“ – Brandy Clark
10. „Whitsitt Chapel“ – Jelly Roll
2024 (provisionally so far):
1. Trail of Flowers – Sierra Ferrell
2. Cowboy Carter – Beyoncé
3. Deeper Well – Kacey Musgraves
4. F1 Trillion – Post Malone
5. Fathers & Sons – Luke Combs
6. Cold Beer & Country Music – Zach Top
7. Nashville Tennessee – ERNEST
8. Whirlwind – Lainey Wilson
9. Am I Okay? – Megan Moroney
10. Made In These Moments – The Red Clay Strays
in both years the proportion of women providing some of the best works in a respective year was between 40 and 50 percent. how content of this quality did not filter through into the airplay charts higher than the current 15 per cent of the top 40 is such a grosse statistic anomaly that it cannot be explained by economics alone. it would imply that nashville is wasting some 30 per cent economic potential on purpose, which is hard to believe given the general efficiency of the music industry. still, it has been exactly that way in country music this century.
the conclusion of the woeful “tomatoe gate” was not wrong, factually. but its finding does not anwer the question as to why the situation is like that. especially, in a period when female country music produced two of the greatest and influential global superstars in music: taylor swift and shania twain. there is just no male country singer in this century matching their impact on a global scale.
it even seems stupid that nashville is still willing to put more effort and resources behind average male performers – the likes of dylan scott etc. – than behind women with obvious superstar potential. let’s see what is going to happen this year, when in a just world ella langley should outperform riley green by a country mile – on talent and overall quality. not to mention lainey wilson, who has got more actual cowboy cred than cody johnson or colter wall.
fun fact: the arguably most enjoyable christmas albums this year all sported at least 50 percent female contributions.
Trigger
January 8, 2025 @ 8:40 am
“the conclusion of the woeful “tomatoe gate” was not wrong, factually. but its finding does not anwer the question as to why the situation is like that.”
This is a critically important point. We all know there’s a problem. What are you going to DO about it? In the years before, during, and after TomatoGate, almost all the energy went into defining the problem, and posting think pieces about it, and bromides like “Support women in music!” when few wanted to do the real world work of trying to actually do something about it, which comes down to committing time trying to break and support up-and-coming performers, and doing so in compelling ways that would interest audiences. Instead we got one think piece after another saying “this is a problem” that simply made people’s eyes roll because they got tired of hearing about it. You can’t just sit behind your computer and pontificate. You have to get out in the field. You’ve got to go to these festivals. You have to actively try to find the “next one” and then put material support behind them.
Tom
January 8, 2025 @ 10:13 am
…the whole history of female underrepresentation in any area – except nurses perhaps – is a rather complex one. just consider motherhood as a major factor, which results in quite different career paths and trajectories than those of the male counterparts.
or simply the “pareto principle” (The Pareto principle states that for many outcomes, roughly 80% of consequences come from 20% of causes. In other words, a small percentage of causes have an outsized effect. This concept is important to understand because it can help you identify which initiatives to prioritize so you can make the most impact. Wikipedia), which may in fact be the biggest hurdle for fair female representation on label rosters, festival line-ups and radio playlists – at least in country music this century. to prove or dismiss this theory however, it would take a whole scientific study.
there has been scientific research efforts into the misrepresentation of women in country music (for example university of california, annenberg inclusion initiative, stacy l. smith, 2019) but i am not aware of a study/paper that looked into, whether the “pareto principle” may be the chief culprit of this misery and not so much other factors like sexism or chauvinism that clearly exist too.
it is however not a quality issue for sure. if you just take the percentage of songs performed or written by females winning “song of the year” awards in this century there can be no doubt about that. as any sports fan has experienced time over time: league tables don’t lie.
Amanda
January 8, 2025 @ 7:04 am
Bless the people working to make things better! We live in a patriarchal, capitalist, ableist society. Women are oppressed and undervalued. The country music industry reflects these biases at an almost cartoonish level.
CountryKnight
January 8, 2025 @ 8:33 am
If we lived in a patriarchal society, the divorce laws wouldn’t favor women so heavily.
Quit taking what your Gender Studies 101 professor says so seriously.
Amanda
January 8, 2025 @ 8:57 am
No need to make a personal dig, sir. That’s not how country folk speak to one another.
Luckyoldsun
January 11, 2025 @ 8:16 pm
@CK–I think your premise is wrong.
Divorce laws “favor” women because [Dan Seals’ “Everything That Glitters (Is Not Gold)”, notwithstanding] Men are more likely to abandon their households and children than are women, and society’s gatekeepers decided that the laws would be used to compel fathers to pay, rather than leaving their children destitute or foisting the burden on the publc.
The Original WTF Guy
January 8, 2025 @ 7:36 am
“But country radio has never been less relevant in the history of country music as it is in 2025.”
But you then spend quite a bit of time suggesting the goal should be to get women played on country radio.
I think good music should be played, whether it is male/female/trans/alien or whatever forms of life originate from and/or live in TN.
But, if you’d like to get behind more 63 year old fat men with PhDs and heart conditions being played on the radio and headlining festivals, I know one who’d be happy to have your support! 🙂
Trigger
January 8, 2025 @ 8:47 am
I agree that when talking about radio in regards to this issue or any others, it can be confusing. Two things can be true at the same time: Country radio has never mattered less, and country radio still matters. I think the lack of a solo #1 song by a woman in over a year underscores how little support they’re receiving in the industry. But then again, there’s now many more alternative opportunities for women to explore, and expending so much effort trying to get country radio to capitulate could be a waste. I’m going to have a whole article on this point specifically. Trying to make the “women in country” fight all about trying to get 50/50 representation on radio is a bad one. Instead, let’s build our own infrastructure where women are given equal opportunities next to men like we’ve done in Americana, bluegrass, and independent country. Mainstream country is like a corporation in a dying industry that is simply trying to manage its decline. Let’s move on and build something better.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
January 8, 2025 @ 10:50 am
Trig: long time no chat.
I think there’s two angles here on the ‘significance’ of radio.
For starters: I wouldn’t know who anyone on radio is if i didn’t encounter those names reading SCM.
I also wouldn’t know Sierra Ferrell, Charley Crockett, et al
I learn more about music from SCM than anywhere else
That said, I only recently learned about Eddie South from a facebook post. So i suppose social media and blogs are doing more for ‘some’ music exposure than radio
I suppose ‘trigger, the writer’ may be partly still accustomed to the significance of radio because of how it has affected, inspired, and resulted in SCM content and articles for years.
That is to say, a proximity bias may inform some SCM articles because of how in tandem SCM content and the affairs of radio have been.
Trigger, i think we can both agree that youre an ‘industry’ guy, you look at country music with regards to how industry trends affect exposure and consumption.
A trend me (a consumer of music) has noticed is that early country recordings, from shot jackson to maddox brothers and rose to deford bailey to charlie poole and so on and on ad nauseum, are easier to come by than ever.
I rarely (if ever) hear on SCM about rereleases of older or classic content and even then, it’s usually by a major name post 1960.
Radio matters little to me, personally, as a consumer. I imagine there are lots of others on here who are the same way.
That is to say, radio matters because we believe it matters, not the other way around, anymore
People listen to radio because people have always listened to radio because once upon a time radio mattered and some people (like my late mother) never got with the memo that radio wasn’t what it used to be.
Now radio is insisting upon itself trying to convince us it is what it used to be and relying on that shared assumption for engagement.
That is to say, if people critically analyzed radio and realized it isn’t as essential to daily life as it used to be and as people credit it for being, the rest of the radio consumers might just abandon it also.
OR, another way of looking at it: if SCM exclusively covered non radio artists and never posted another rant, and only covered independent artists or artists outside the music row monolith, it would probably impact the consumption habits of most regular SCM readers in a minuscule way, if at all
but you’ve also made it clear that you intend to engage with the music row establishment in part to hold them to a higher standard and in part with intent to attract radio consumers and hope that they engage with SCM content in good faith and find new material. that is to say, poaching top forty fans in the hopes that they become independent fans.
Hey, I personally don’t share the same opinions but I do my best to respect your vision.
So let me post a question to you trigger:
You’ve both expressed a vision for a radio that plays mainstream and independent artists in tandem, youve also expressed the belief that this will never happen and that radio is going away
yet you’re also engaging with radio in your content with the assumption, as i understand it, that changing to playing independent artists will bring radio back to (at least improved) relevancy
So: My question for you is
What do you EXPECT country music the industry to look like in a few years? what do you think country music the institution, to look like in a few years?
Followed by: what do you WANT country music to look like in a few years? the industry AND the institution
tytusgroan
January 8, 2025 @ 8:48 am
Iv’e just discovered Jackson Chatman, fine singer to these ears. I’m 68 from the UK, there are plenty of female country artists that i love. It’s always great listening to new talent especially when you recommend them.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
January 8, 2025 @ 9:38 am
I wonder if we can equate these statistics to deeper trends about music consumption?
For instance: I wonder if the very art of making music, of composing or performing is something that inherently appeals more to men than women?
I wonder if certain elements of art inherently appeal to men more than women?
Are men more inclined to appreciate technical proficiency? lyrical depth and complexity? Are women draw to certain other elements of art, like ambience or certain styles?
The statistic in this article is that there simply aren’t as many women making country music. are they making other styles of music or are they not making music at all?
Do women listen to predominantly male singers at an increased proportion to men who listen to women artists?
Do men who listen to other types of music listen to women singers more than country music man fans listen to women country artists?
Creigh Gordon
January 8, 2025 @ 9:55 am
You know who seems to feature women musicians (Americana maybe, but still…) Paul Krugman on his economics substack.
JF
January 8, 2025 @ 10:45 am
I am not justifying or defending my tastes, but sometimes I wonder if I have some kind of voice blindness. You know how some people just cannot recall a face? That is called “face blindness.” I wonder if I have “female vocal blindness.” It just all sounds the same to me — I can’t tell them apart.
I follow 274 artists on Spotify. 14 of those are female artists or female-fronted bands. And some of those are my favorite and most-listened to artists. But if you were to play for me the top 100 female artists in country/Americana/whatever, I could probably identify those 14 as being unique artists and the other 86 would sound like the exact same voice to me. I don’t know why that is, it just is. And that is why I don’t listen to more female artists.
** Update: It is called “phonagnosia” and is a thing, I guess. I must have it. It is not limited to country — same with other genres I listen to.
NanceDancePantsParty
January 8, 2025 @ 12:12 pm
My point on this, which is mute anyways, is that the reason men resonate with me is because i can understand what they are saying or what they are going through. If a woman truly reaches out to me, like Patty Loveless in “You don’t even know who I am”, or Courtney Patton in ” So this is Life” is because they truly touched me in a way that only a woman can…..in my heart. I can get down with Merle and Johnny on songs because i know how they feel, but when someone like Kaitlin Butts sings lines in ” The life where we work out”, i believe them from the other gender’s perspective and play that kind of stuff all day through my Spotify playlist. I would also truly listen to Courtney Patton sing the phone book and be ok with it, just my point of view……
kross
January 8, 2025 @ 2:07 pm
male artists continue to dominate because they know how to be the kind of man other men want to be, and also be the kind of man, women want to be with. it’s not the same for women artists tho. country music needs more women that other women want to be, but they need to also be the kind women that men want to marry not just be with. I don’t want to Marry Sierra Ferrell or any other angry feminist with tattoos and septum rings who happen to dip their toe in the county music waters. But if I was 20 years younger and not already hitched, I’d definitely marry any one of the Castellows sisters. they’re extremely talented, but also know how to hunt, fish and fix a fence on the farm. all that comes out in their music. it always comes back to authenticity. Just be from the country and don’t be afraid to act like it. if the sound is authentic, it will sell to both men and women, therefore making them just as successful as male artists.
Akade
January 9, 2025 @ 10:26 am
The Castellows are doing this very, very cleverly so far. – Beautiful, but not sexed up. Confidently feminine, but not anti-male. Young and fresh, but not naive and childish. Smart, but not too heady. Down to earth, but not without wings. The sound is traditional, but not simply “retro”, rather fresh and modern. I’m excited to see how they will develop further. For me, they are among the greatest female hopes in the scene.
It remains to be seen whether touring with more mainstream artists like Little Big Town or Thomas Rhett will help them find their place and gain new fans.
kross
January 9, 2025 @ 12:10 pm
you just cracked the code of how women can become more successful in country music. Just do it like the Castellows. it seems that they are also very smart about who the colab with as well. The song they did with Wyatt Flores is awesome and a new one with Flatland Calvary is due out soon. These kinds of early career decisions are usually calculated. it tells me that they want to be known as real musicians, not just the flavor of the month on music row. they want to earn the respect of fans and other musicians, not just be thrust into the spotlight because they look good in tight jeans and have pretty blonde hair. The sky is the limit for them, as long they stay away from Jelly Donut, Post Malone and Morgan Wallen.
Euro South
January 8, 2025 @ 4:19 pm
My personal best albums of the year list for 2024 is 52% gals (counting Gillian Welch & David Rawlings as half a lady), as anybody can ascertain for themselves by looking up the list in the comments section of “The Saving Country Music 2024 Album of the Year” article. Hope the rest of you fellers catch up real soon! 😉
Fly By Night Tofu Guzzler
January 8, 2025 @ 8:27 pm
So Trigger I have another question. What’s the role of the Opry in all of this, or other Nashville non-radio institutions? I seem to recall the Opry was making an effort to diversify their performers (not necessarily members) and when you look at lists of new performers or their Nextstage program it’s got more female representation than country radio. Is this issue something the Opry or the CMA or the Hall of Fame could have a role in addressing, or are they doing OK?
Trigger
January 8, 2025 @ 8:34 pm
Good question.
I think the Opry has been doing a historic job featuring up-and-comers in the last few years, including putting an emphasis on women, Black and Brown performers, and others that traditionally have found it harder to make it in country music. If anything, at this point the concern is if the barn doors are being thrown too wide, and anybody with a song on Spotify can get a debut. But this is a better situation than pretty much everyone being snubbed like we saw years ago.
The Hall of Fame has their “American Currents” exhibit that also does a good job with this, though sometimes their emphasis on diversity gets them a little ahead of themselves with some of their picks. Still, this is a better scenario than the alternative. So yes, I do think these institutions are doing their part to address the gender discrepancy.
Jay
January 9, 2025 @ 11:34 am
Ya’ll are a bunch of windbags. I’m secretly in love with Molly Gene, my goodness she is beautiful. Met her at Farmageddon 2012 and I was speechless to her amazing music and her good looks which were only exceeded by her striking personality.
jessie with the long hair
January 9, 2025 @ 6:45 pm
This is such a tired talking point. The music industry will promote anything that will make money. There is no conspiracy. If people will pay money for it, the music industry will sell it. No one is trying to keep any race or gender down or out. It’s about money—end of story. Should we condemn the ticket/merch-buying and streaming fans for buying what they like? What about other areas of our society? Are 50% of politicians women? What about bricklayers? 97% of bricklayers are male. Let’s get more women in that field because it’s unjust to be male-dominated. Females have outnumbered males in college enrollment for decades. Maybe we need to make a big deal out of that… or perhaps we should talk about outstanding achievements. If the music is great, people will buy it.
Trigger
January 9, 2025 @ 10:35 pm
“The music industry will promote anything that will make money. There is no conspiracy. If people will pay money for it, the music industry will sell it. No one is trying to keep any race or gender down or out. It’s about money—end of story.”
That pretty much sums up what I said in the article. What is also tired is the stock responses you get whenever you broach this subject.
Akade
January 10, 2025 @ 8:04 am
What are those stock responses that tire you out?
CountryKnight
January 10, 2025 @ 12:48 pm
The ones that don’t agree.
Trigger
January 10, 2025 @ 1:26 pm
The whole point of this article is to attempt to redefine this entire debate, with the ultimate goal of putting it to bed for good. I was as explicit as I could possibly be in the article that this is not a call for 50/50 play on radio, or for equal pay for the women of country if they don’t draw the same as their male counterparts. In fact, I went even further to say that these kinds of demands are the reason this effort hasn’t progressed in a dozen years, and has even backslid. That’s why we need to start over.
Jessie with Long Hair and Countryknight are bringing “stock” responses whenever they see the “not enough women” argument being made. This isn’t about the WNBA. This isn’t about demanding half of all festival performers must be female. But as someone who has worked in this industry for many years, I can verify to you that women and their songs are immediately discounted compared to their male counterparts in this industry. It’s a fact. And at this point, it’s not even about low representation. Often it’s about no representation at all. 0%. Zero #1 songs from women on country radio in a year and two months, and counting. Playlists that literally have zero women on them. None. So there’s zero chance people will even be exposed to the music to make an informed decision if they like it or not.
I completely understand the skepticism here. That is what I’m looking to answer to and address. But you actually have to listen to what I’m saying as opposed to parroting out the same stuff people were saying 10 years ago. It’s 2025, and the nature of the problem, the argument, and the potential solutions, have all shifted.
You want to never hear anyone ever bring up this issue again in country music? So do I. So let’s solve it.
Troy Leong
January 9, 2025 @ 9:12 pm
Women of country music have always fought an uphill battles. I mean years ago they wouldn’t play two female singers back to back on radio…cause the radio station dj’s said the audience wouldn’t go for it. They also limited how long the songs were too; under 2 minutes 30 seconds. That was until the late 70’s. If you can read any book I highly recommend “Finding Her Voice: The History Of Women In Country Music”. It’s a very interesting read if your a country music historian. These ladies had to fight for what they believed was right and their careers. I was good friends with Kitty Wells and she had sooooooooo much to say about how unfairly the women of country music were treated. Remember she’s the first female to have a #1 song on the billboard charts selling over a million copies and that was back in 1952.
goldenglamourboybradyblocker71
January 9, 2025 @ 9:43 pm
The final frontier is a handsome black cowboy’s being billed a Country stud like the telegenic white chaps,but women are VASTLY under-payed on Country radio and thus appear too rarely on the chart.
Confederate Railroad Fan
January 10, 2025 @ 1:31 pm
What is a woman?
goldenglamourboybradyblocker71
January 10, 2025 @ 7:02 pm
An adult female human,Confederate Railroad Fan.(Where ARE those Bubbas today ?)
Michael O
January 10, 2025 @ 10:15 pm
Neither sex is better than the other, and no gender is superior when it comes to making good music, country or otherwise. But, if one is a decent human being, I think it is a good thing to support the underdog, or one who is not fairly being given their chance to make it in country music. That means, for now anyway, listen to female artists (for me, it happens to be, among others, Melissa Carper) and buy their music and/or go to their shows to show support. It’s the right human thing to do.
Stringbuzz
January 11, 2025 @ 6:57 pm
There are many genres of music that the same can be said for.
blockman
January 12, 2025 @ 8:52 am
Don’t care how bad this sounds I’ve said it before and il say it again. 99.9% of the music I listen to is male artists simply because I can’t relate to what women sing about or their perspective on things. And I don’t care to hear it. That’s a big part. Even if it’s the same themes or topics I don’t want to hear women singing about it. I just can’t identify with the particular themes in song when it’s a woman singing it. Not to sat I don’t understand how talented they are and that they don’t deserve recognition of course. I mean I like the Carter Family and Patsy Cline and outside of country Ella Fitzgerald, Memphis Minnie, Fleetwood Mac and the Pretenders etc. I don’t think too much about the ‘why’ though. Even duets I’m not a fan of.
Spectrum Pulse
January 14, 2025 @ 2:00 pm
Not gonna repeat a lot of what I already said over a year ago in my bro-country video essay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvRVUB1BBEA), where I discussed Tomatogate and how things ultimately got worse with time post-bro-country, but I will add this: when you dig into the demographic data and recognize that country’s demographics are predominantly middle-class white women (55-60% to 40-45% based off of radio callout data circa ~2018), it starts to make a bit more sense why so many gravitated to an onslaught of interchangeable dudes, especially with the late 2010s boyfriend country pivot. And I also heard the ‘market driven analysis’ that they’re just playing what people want to hear to make money, and I don’t want to get into how on passive media like radio people often come to like what’s sold to them – you can put your finger on the scale if you want to.
The problem there is that acting like major labels don’t play a role in pushing, promoting, and marketing women abdicates them from all responsibility, especially when it comes to Nashville radio. I greatly respect the women who chose to do it their own way adjacent to country music or on the indie circuit (which by the way, it’s not a good sign in an industry when so many women would rather leave than put up with the bullshit they’ve described for years, and for those who say ‘tough it out’ and then complain about why the scene is getting worse, these are not hard dots to connect…), but again, we want radio to matter. Without acknowledging that those playlists are constructed and that radio programmers want to reward their buddies on Music Row, it’s hard to tackle the gender imbalance in any systemic way.
I mean, if we’re being totally candid, it’s a lot of the same bullshit Nashville labels and radio holds against Texas country or many of the independents – playing the boys club and walling out those who aren’t in UNTIL they get their kickback or the act is too damn big to ignore.
That should be something to be dismantled regardless of whatever vote you cast. I don’t believe it’s ever going to be a meritocracy, given how taste is subjective, but it can be a damn sight better than this.