Album Review – Dropkick Murphys – “This Machine Still Kills Fascists”
There are two primary schools of thought on who the Father of Country Music is. One asserts that it’s The Singing Breakman Jimmie Rodgers. Another attributes A.P. Carter of The Carter Family. But Woody Guthrie at least deserves an honorable mention, even if he’s more closely associated to the folk side rural American music. A native of Oklahoma, Woody has certainly had an outsized influence on Red Dirt and other country music strains. Combine that with how Celtic folk is one of the foundational building blocks of country music, and a concept record combining Celtic punk band Dropkick Murphys with Woody Guthrie compositions sounds like some cool fusion.
Cut the album in Tulsa near Woody’s birthplace, and recruit Evan Felker of the Turnpike Troubadours and Nikki Lane to contribute, and you sweeten the pot even more. Some became worried when Dropkick confided that this album was recorded acoustically. Oh but don’t you worry, ample energy, and blood and guts made it into these recordings. This is not a folk or country album. It’s a Dropkick Murphys album first and foremost. But the folk and country inflections are what make it unique and interesting.
Listening to the opening song “Two 6’s Upside Down” you think, “Damn, that could be a country song” since it’s about incarceration. But these are still Woody Guthrie lyrics delivered with the signature Dropkick Murphys Celtic attitude and attack. Themes like imprisonment and the plight of the working man were the stuff that Merle Haggard and Johnny Paycheck made their career on, and this album has a lot to say about workers rights and wealth inequalities as to be expected with Woody Guthrie material.
Though its most certainly true in certain respects that the words of Woody Guthrie still resonate with relevancy today, they were also written during a distinctly different time. In Woody Guthrie’s era, fascists had taken over the entirety of the European continent. These days, a fascist can be someone you simply have a tacit disagreement with on Twitter. Where in Woody’s time, workers were dying in industrial accidents at an alarming clip, these days workers rights often revolve around working from home, and resolving microaggressions from bosses who refuse to use preferred pronouns.
That’s not to say that workers don’t deserve better rights, and that the robber barons of yore don’t have comparative counterparts to today’s business and tech oligarchs controlling obscene amounts of wealth and power. But some of the verbiage and inflammatory attitude found in these songs comes across as a bit archaic, especially some of the sloganeering around unionization for anyone who’s watched a Martin Scorsese film, or episodes of The Sopranos that illustrate how some unions don’t stop the exploitation of workers, they just place it in the hands of a different set of sleazeballs.
But the spirit and passion with which Woody Guthrie approached his causes is done justice on this album by the Dropkick Murphys and their collaborators. You feel the fervor in songs like “Ten Times More” and “All You Phonies” that come from a time when the common man was dealt with like chattel by the ruling class, and the punk attitude that underpins all things Dropkick Murphys is here full throat. But there is also a sweeter moment when they’re joined by Nikki Lane for the understated Celtic folk-styled “Never Git Drunk No More.” Similar to “Two 6’s Upside Down,” it contains writing that would make for a good country song too.
Moreover though, This Machine Still Kills Fascists it’s just a fun record. It’s a good driving record, a good listening record, it gets the blood pumping, the foot pounding, and the fist waving. It has the perfect attitude for blowing off steam, and a populist message in a period that just like Woody’s, the gulf between the haves and the have nots is completely out of kilter, despite the ease of modernity. Some of the words and modes may be a little deprecated, but the passion cuts through and delivers a punch.
The roots and brambles of all traditional music tend to intertwine, and gravitate toward the universal plight of poor, agrarian, and working people, even crossing oceans and bridging continents and eras. Along with delivering a record of kick-ass music, the Dropkick Murphys present an illustration of how all of these roots genres are cohorts, and in a way that is enjoyable to digest. Doing this while interpreting Woody Guthrie songs—including some previously unheard and curated by the family—couldn’t have been easy. But the Dropkick Murphys made it sound like it was while having a hell of a good time in the process.
7.5/10
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TPLTR
October 9, 2022 @ 9:19 am
Nice seeing this review here and I completely agree. I’ve been a DKM fan since their first album. I also thought it was cool that Turnpike will be opening up for DKM during their annual St. Patricks Day run in Boston.
Tom Turkey
October 10, 2022 @ 4:55 pm
I have no problem with DKM but I was disappointed to see turnpike opening for them at their fist show in New England since coming back together. I’m having trouble wrapping my head around them not headlining. It’s not an ideal situation from my perspective.
David Ackerman
October 9, 2022 @ 10:22 am
christ your political views are so ridiculous
Jake Cutter
October 9, 2022 @ 11:43 am
“ …these days workers rights often revolve around working from home, and resolving microaggressions from bosses who refuse to use preferred pronouns.”
Is this the line that triggered you?
Wilson Pick It
October 9, 2022 @ 1:57 pm
Not who you’re replying to, but I thought that line was a little off because those issues are mostly related to salaried workers, who are in pretty good shape right now all things considered. It’s the wage earners who are really getting royally screwed. For them, the aggressions ain’t micro and most of them don’t have the luxury of working from home.
But Kyle redeemed himself by following it up with “That’s not to say that workers don’t deserve better rights, and that the robber barons of yore don’t have comparative counterparts to today’s business and tech oligarchs controlling obscene amounts of wealth and power.”
I’ve been in two unions. One of them was fantastic, the other was a zombie union that took our dues every paycheck and did nothing for us. On the whole, I think unions are helpful to workers, and they are badly needed right now. I think there’s an argument to be made that public sector unions are not fair to taxpayers who ultimately pick up the tag.
I enjoyed this album partly because I think the pro-worker message is really urgently needed right now.
Talos IV
October 9, 2022 @ 10:06 pm
It’s a misconception that salaried workers are “better off”. Not a slam on unions, but salaried workers don’t have a union per se to look after their interests. For example, like when GM closed Lordstown where GM closed the plant anyway though the union sued to ensure better severance packages for the laid off workers. Salaried workers (not CEOs, board members or other upper echelons) are lucky to get a few weeks salary and COBRA and that’s it (and sometimes loose their pensions if the company goes bust or mismanaged). Rarely do they get unpaid vacation pay either. Salaried workers don’t have that type of thing to advocate for them. Working from home may sound nice and has advantages, but depending on the circumstances that has its abuses too, since the home is “the office” and may be compelled to be at the beck and call of a boss at “any time” if we “don’t want to loose” a job or position. Stay at home workers don’t necessarily have the ability to “leave” at the end of a yhr shift or leave household responsibilities when not at “the plant” either.
David Ackerman
October 10, 2022 @ 11:54 am
There are just a zillion completely retarded things in there. That is one of them, but it doesn’t stand out. Not gonna argue about it all thoug.
David Ackerman
October 10, 2022 @ 11:56 am
There were just a zillion completely retarded things in there. That particular one didn’t stand out from all the rest of them. Not gonna argue about it though.
Tucker Ryan
October 9, 2022 @ 4:52 pm
found the guy that woulda let Germany win
David
October 10, 2022 @ 6:12 am
Bunch of sell outs. If they cared about workers and advancing peoples circumstances then they should be pissed about whats going on because of the marxist scumbags in office. They attack MAGA for putting America first. Bunch of woke lefties that care more about being accepted by liberals than they do what hard working Americans are going through right now. Sad to say but Piss Off.
DB Cooper
October 11, 2022 @ 5:00 am
I had to respond to these last two comments…
1) You’re grand daddy who fought the Germans was probably in a union. Left or right has nothing to do with courage. BTW the GI bill and VA loans both arguably were the greatest contributions to creating a middle class.
2) Show me one single “Marxist” in office and I’ll send you my paycheck. People don’t like maga because Trump because is a conman with zero morals. It’s frankly sad and I embarrassing that people worship that grifter. Our grand parents are rolling in their graves that he was ever President.
I’m not left or right. They are both flawed and corrupt parties. I support workers over corporations though all god damn day.
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CountryKnight
October 11, 2022 @ 7:35 am
AOC and Bernie Sanders
No, they are embarrassed that Benedict Biden was elected president.
Trigger
October 11, 2022 @ 8:15 am
Not relevant to this topic whatsoever.
Ian
October 9, 2022 @ 10:37 am
That’s a lot of words to say “I haven’t worked with my hands ever but here’s my opinion anyway!” Why don’t you come out to a job site and see how long you last and how much you love the business owners that shortchange their workers on safety and financially. I have lived it, you have obviously not. Also, if you somehow think Staind speaks more to the plight of workers than Woody Guthrie who actually lived it, you should probably have your head examined because it’s pretty easy to see who is playing dress up in that equation.
hoptowntiger94
October 9, 2022 @ 10:58 am
I think everything Trig wrote (right up to crossing the line), he walked back:
“That’s not to say that workers don’t deserve better rights, and that the robber barons of yore don’t have comparative counterparts to today’s business and tech oligarchs controlling obscene amounts of wealth and power.”
I think he’s just giving a counter point of view and the review is balanced.
I’m the biggest pro-labor, union guy and I love Guthrie. But I’m not anywhere near the as worked up as you about anything he wrote.
Trigger
October 9, 2022 @ 12:35 pm
Boy Ian, those are such grossly incorrect and wild-eyed assumptions you have made about me, they’re not even worth dignifying with the laundry list of hard labor jobs I have done in my life, and for extended periods. You don’t know me, and you couldn’t illustrate that any better than with your comment.
Also, I’ve never said anything even remotely close to how Staind speaks more to the plight of workers than Woody Guthrie. What I did say about Woody Guthrie to start off this review is that his name deserves to be more in the conversation as one of the fathers of country music, and concluded this positive review with a congratulatory salutation to the album’s creators. If I had some political aim or bent here, I probably wouldn’t have reviewed this record at all.
Your comment shows how the broaching of any political subject commonly results in the elevation of the heart rate, the release of adrenaline, and unfortunately, an irrational train of thought.
If you’re pro Labor, pro Union, and pro Woody Guthrie, what do you need from me? By explaining how the perspectives and verbiage of Woody’s time differs from ours in the present day, I was hoping to build a bridge between this album, and the skeptics in it from across the political divide who may be scared off by how it was presented. Words like “fascist” have become dog whistles for some, and putting it in a historical context for how Woody used it was my way to entice people to listen nonetheless.
Randy M
October 9, 2022 @ 2:21 pm
I was hoping for this review. First off always been a big Dropkick fan and absolutely love this album. I’m guessing I’m not the only long time reader on this site that started listening to punk/grunge in the 90’s then transitioned to Hank 3 in the 00’s then the modern independent country we’re spoiled with currently. Great review and great album. Also have worked non-union and union jobs in the pipeline industry for the past 15+ years. The past 8 have been union. This comment section is not the place to dive into union politics but just like with politics there is good and bad on both sides. Shitheads on both sides trying to take what they can but at least the unions try to protect the working man/woman although some try to take advantage just like politicians. Would love to go see Turnpike with Dropkick in Boston if I could stomach leaving my Appalachian bubble and could stomach Boston. Good work once again Trigger.
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sbach66
October 9, 2022 @ 12:35 pm
Uh… where does he reference Staind or Aaron Lewis?
E.Hoover
October 9, 2022 @ 1:11 pm
This is a great album makes you realize Woody was one of the first punk story tellers for the working man i can’t wait to see Drop Kick Murphy’s perform them in November in Omaha i read they had enough song’s for another album i hope they put it out soon .
Trigger
October 9, 2022 @ 1:20 pm
Yes, there will be a Volume 2 as well. Release TBD.
Hank Charles
October 9, 2022 @ 1:18 pm
Like most of DKM’s discography, it’s good, not great.
Interesting concept with some real history behind it, just can’t help feeling that the project would have been better served by another, less hamfisted vessel.
Strait86
October 9, 2022 @ 1:38 pm
Coming from the same band that required it’s fans to be vaccinated at shows, this is rich. The government using big corporations (big pharmacy) to abuse the rights of citizens IS facism. Save it ya washed up used-to-be punks.
Wilson Pick It
October 9, 2022 @ 2:14 pm
I don’t think anyone really does that anymore, because the CDC itself has now said that vaxxed and unvaxxed should be treated the same. It made a certain amount of sense in 2021 to require vaccinations for a crowded event, since initially the vaccines were thought to be more effective then they ultimately turned out to be. People were just trying to be responsible. It was a weird time, let’s try to move on.
Jake Cutter
October 9, 2022 @ 3:14 pm
Oh interesting….so the band posturing themselves as “anti-fascist” and rebellious (complete with angsty snarl in the vocals), towed the line of giant, deceitful, corporations and state bureaucrats to treat Americans who wanted autonomy over their bodies as second class citizens. I can see why you’d want to “move on.”
I say “never forget.”
Trigger
October 9, 2022 @ 3:28 pm
Let’s not get off into this contentious subject folks. There were a lot of artists and bands that chose to sign off on vax requirements so they could continue to tour, and many venues and big promoters like LiveNation were requiring them. I thought they were shortsighted at the time, and would have rather we focused on outdoor events which was the happy medium, but I’m not going to judge any artist or their music based off of those prior judgement calls. Life has moved on, and so should we.
Jake Cutter
October 9, 2022 @ 3:51 pm
Seems kind of relevant to me, considering…you know, the theme and title of the album being reviewed.
Trigger
October 9, 2022 @ 4:14 pm
That’s why I wrote this review the way I did, contextualizing in time when Woody wrote “This Machine Kills Fascists” on his guitar to now. Woody Guthrie wasn’t talking about Trump, vax mandates, or anything like that. But I also understand these are politically contentious subjects.
CountryKnight
October 9, 2022 @ 5:01 pm
Trigger,
Woody wasn’t writing about those topics but let’s face it, the Dropkick Murphys released this album this year for a reason.
They are stirring the pot.
Jake Cutter
October 9, 2022 @ 5:23 pm
“There were a lot of artists and bands that chose to sign off….”
There were a lot of people who signed off on all sorts of dark shit in the darkest periods of history because it served their interest as they conformed to the hysteria. As you you can see I’m not going back and forth with other people or trying to blow this out of proportion. This is a music album and this is a country music website. I get that you didn’t want to do it yourself, but damn, if people in the comments section at least mentioning it, calling out people who went along with the hysteria that demonized and scapegoated a decent chunk of our population, while positioning themselves as the rebellious “punk” antifascists… is “contentious”….then that’s disappointing. All due respect, because you are one of the few willing to stick your neck out.
Trigger
October 9, 2022 @ 7:18 pm
Look, I’m not saying there isn’t a point to be made here. But on October 9th, 2022, the fact that an already contentious comments section on the Dropkick Murphys veered into COVID-19 talk is peak Saving Country Music comments section. THOUSANDS of artist and entertainers went along with COVID policies because they wanted to work.
King Honky Of Crackershire (We need Franco 2.0)
October 9, 2022 @ 5:40 pm
I’ll never move on. There must be a reckoning for all the lives and livelihoods lost. I want trials and very fitting sentences for the rodents who did this to us; and you have no idea the type of monster I’d vote for to make it happen.
Strait86
October 10, 2022 @ 4:56 am
“Yeah but the DKM weren’t being punks at the same time everyone else wasn’t being punks because of Covid.” It’s hilarious because they have “Still” in the ‘This machine kills facists” slogan as if it applies to their suburban-livin’, CNN watching asses. The covid vax passport thing was just last year. This isn’t something that happened 10+ years ago. And flu season is just ramping up this year, there is no guarantee it won’t come back. News networks are funded by big pharmacy, not CDC. Just wait..
Luckyoldsun
October 10, 2022 @ 9:32 am
@KH–
“I want this country to be ruled by a murderous despot–because I assume he’ll be on my side and will only go after all the people who I don’t like.”
Wilson Pick It
October 9, 2022 @ 3:33 pm
I don’t see how it’s fascist. No one was forcing you to go see the Dropkick Murphys. You had complete autonomy over your body as far as their concerts were concerned. Now a work requirement… that’s a little different because it’s your livelihood, thus more coercive.
sbach66
October 9, 2022 @ 2:19 pm
“Its”
CountryKnight
October 9, 2022 @ 2:50 pm
The biggest fascists are always the ones claiming to be anti-fascists.
It is a fine album. Guthrie is extremely overrated but the Dropkick Murphys are great. So the songs work. I like the Turnpike Troubadours songs with them.
E.Hoover
October 9, 2022 @ 6:13 pm
Guthrie is extremely overrated are you high!!!! Guthrie and Pete Seeger paved the way for everyone else .
Di Harris
October 9, 2022 @ 7:05 pm
Hardly.
RD
October 10, 2022 @ 7:45 am
Jimmie Rodgers is a far more important, influential and relevant influence than Guthrie or Seeger.
I like some of Guthrie or Seeger’s tunes and I realize that they had an impact on many later artists, but they had a very immature and dangerous outlook on the world. I don’t know much about Seeger’s personal life, but Guthrie was a wretched husband and absent father. I’m not sure that either man actually knew what the word “fascist” meant. By definition, FDR was a fascist. They didn’t have to look across the ocean for dragons to slay, they were supporting it right here at home.
CountryKnight
October 10, 2022 @ 11:13 am
Typical artist. Wretched personal life but still felt the need to preach to the world how we should live. Steve Earle is Guthrie reincarnated.
At the same time, they were supporting greater evils than the supposed evils they were condemning.
Good music. Naive viewpoints.
CountryKnight
October 10, 2022 @ 11:14 am
He is overrated. It doesn’t mean he isn’t good.
Many of the singers I like are overrated. I still enjoy them.
Blackh4t
October 9, 2022 @ 1:40 pm
Personally I love this album. When people talk about crossing genres and blending influences, this is how its done.
Also, I agree with Trig on the political side. I grew up with Woody and Unions being the saviour of the working man, then started working on building sites that were micromanaged by unions who were making a fat profit. I was lucky enough never to get caught in this, but my dislike of unions runs deep, and so it need a bit of a mental reminder of time difference to listen to Woody.
Same with Fascists. This was a time when you had to choose between dying in a war, or being having your country taken over by literally Hitler.
I find it inspiring to listen to. Remembering how hard people had it and still found time for music. Makes us realise we could do so much more.
CountryKnight
October 9, 2022 @ 2:56 pm
The album is OK.
Feels like cosplay, though.
It is just hard to buy a really successful band like the Dropkicks trying to channel Guthrie’s Dust Bowl struggle. It feels inauthentic. But I also feel the same way when Springsteen comes out from his mansion and tries to pretend to be the common man. Comes off as patronizing even if the music is good.
I have also never been a huge fan of Guthrie and the naive class warfare presented in his music. The political beliefs he supported ultimately proven to be more tyrannical than any robber baron.
I will add the Turnpike tune to my rotation but the Dropkick Murphys have much better songs.
Di Harris
October 9, 2022 @ 3:26 pm
“By explaining how the perspectives and verbiage of Woody’s time differs from ours in the present day, I was hoping to build a bridge between this album, and the skeptics in it from across the political divide who may be scared off by how it was presented. Words like “fascist” have become dog whistles for some, and putting it in a historical context for how Woody used it was my way to entice people to listen nonetheless.”
Dropkick Murphys Spits ???? at Allentown Fair #allentown #dropkickmurphys ????️@_Imposter_
https://youtu.be/Whac6S66emI
I doubt anyone was “scared off” from listening to this album.
More likely, people do not want to listen to a dry alcoholic, throwing a tantrum.
Makes Jamey Johnson’s onstage rant look like a garden party.
Agree with Strait86, Jake Cutter.
Trigger
October 9, 2022 @ 3:31 pm
Sounds like a guy asserting his 1st Amendment rights. I may not agree with him 100%, but if you’re at a Dropkick Murphys show, that what you pay to see, and hope to get.
Trigger
October 9, 2022 @ 3:33 pm
…and this is why I rarely review albums containing political material. Both sides get pissed off at you and calls you a crank, and nobody pays attention to the music.
Oh well, I tried.
Di Harris
October 9, 2022 @ 3:43 pm
Who says nobody is paying attention to the music?
A lot of us are paying attention.
: D who says we’re pissed off at you?
This is a discussion …
Discussion is healthy.
Relax, Trig. Grab an iced tea, or an adult beverage. Kick back, (unless you’re getting ready to man the grill) and go with it.
63Guild
October 9, 2022 @ 4:04 pm
I mean in all fairness you set yourself up for this with some of your writing which has been pointed out several times.
Oh well, people shouldn’t let a couple bad lines in a review take away from the overall review
Trigger
October 9, 2022 @ 4:20 pm
Yes, the problem is though that some of my writing is being pointed to by one side, while some other of my writing is being pointed to by another. More what I’m talking about is how quickly we devolved into discussion about vax mandates and how I’ve never worked a real labor job in my life. NOt sure how that’s relevant to anything I said.
But I also don’t want to make too much of this. I just wish we were talking about things like how healthy Evan Felker looks in the video, how this album helps bridge the gaps between roots genres, and how they interpreted this Woody Guthrie material while making their first ever acoustic album.
Di Harris
October 9, 2022 @ 4:44 pm
Oh alright,
First thing i noticed in The Last One video, is how healthy Evan looked, walking toward the Crystal.
MuleSkinner
October 9, 2022 @ 6:09 pm
The political material on this album is also decades old, don’t worry about the haters. Most reviewers wouldn’t have attempted to describe the historical context in hopes to get people to listen to the MUSIC without extrapolating too much from the politics from a bygone era, but you threaded the needle perfectly. I don’t comment much, but you are awesome and do an awesome job on this site. Just letting you know
CountryKnight
October 10, 2022 @ 11:11 am
Except the Dropkicks and friends are singing those decades old songs as relevant tunes of today.
Hence the title of the album.
If they didn’t think those songs were relevant, the album wouldn’t have been released.
Talos IV
October 9, 2022 @ 10:48 pm
Very courageous, Trig, for reviewing this. Politics is inextricably part some artist’s work. I’m not sure how willing listeners may be to separate musical virtue from the content… honestly, I would not expect that to happen. Besides, the fireworks here are part of the entertainment. Take pride in the fact that your reviews are on point and thought provoking….
SnarkyAnarky
October 10, 2022 @ 6:05 am
valiant effort.. though you seem to have more faith in the comments section to not somehow turn into a raging shitshow at the drop of a hat than I do. I always say ‘never read the comments’ but i always do, so it’s my own fault.
Nevertheless, thanks for doing what you do.
Travis
October 10, 2022 @ 3:07 pm
This comment section is getting worse and worse. I used to cringe at Trig’s threats to stop allowing comments, but at this point, I wouldn’t care if he shut down any section after the first comment that goes completely off topic with political BS. I don’t want to see the comments shut down completely just yet. And I wouldn’t care if it went a little off topic if people could engage with mutual respect, but nobody is engaging in civil debate with an open mind. I’m guilty of engaging in the past but have tried to ignore it lately.
RD
October 10, 2022 @ 3:27 pm
This comment section has been getting “worse and worse” for over a decade now. In actuality, not much has changed with the comments. You’re just accustomed to your own little echo chamber where nearly every other platform is scrubbing everything that isn’t regime-approved content. Trigger still allows some latitude.
Blair
October 10, 2022 @ 7:05 pm
I never thought I would read in a Country Music blog that the idea of the Germans winning was an acceptable outcome for some people. That a musical group singing old unfinished songs could somehow bring into question peoples work habits and that ultimately most people don’t understand what fascism is.
Its a decent album supported by Guthries daughter. Reviewed well. Listen or don’t.
RD
October 10, 2022 @ 7:19 pm
What is fascism?
SnarkyAnarky
October 11, 2022 @ 6:16 am
a lack of mutual respect is the problem with a lot of things, not just the SCM comments section.
I come here to learn about new music. I’m all for discussion and conversation about ideas but If i wanted to play russian roulette with my day and risk random political diatribes from people only wanting to be right I’d just call my dad and ask how the weather is.
Tom
October 10, 2022 @ 10:47 am
It was a good and balanced review. I get some of the comments here about the nature of the music and band. But the comments about your political beliefs and work history are wild lol.
ken casey ate my baby
October 9, 2022 @ 5:48 pm
that fat clown ken casey is the springsteen of “punk”
waddles out of his mansion every once in a while and pretends to represent the common man. he lives in Hingham, a wealthy white town where no home Is under a million and most above. The racial makeup of the town was 97.5% White. he doesn’t want them dahkies near his house. unions may have benefited people when the railroads were blowing up chinamen, but now they only enrich the union reps and bosses. gotta kick in those union dues boys.
if they didn’t hit with shipping up to boston in the departed, they would still be playing for beer and a carton of smokes, in southie. arguably sucked after the original singer left to become a fireman.
If you are playing fairgrounds in your 50s, whatever you did was as good as it was ever going to get.
respect the site for reviewing this, even though should have been 5.7/10. shite from plastic paddies
0311 USMC
October 10, 2022 @ 11:18 am
Damn bro, this is spot on! Very nicely done. ☘️
Rylee
November 6, 2022 @ 8:07 pm
You’re entitled to your opinion.
I’m also entitled to mine, that being, you’re a moron.
Luke the Drifter
October 9, 2022 @ 7:45 pm
Not a fan of punk but I gave this album a spin because I love Turnpike (and appreciate Woody Guthrie despite being as far away from Marxism as humanly possible in my political views). However I have to say that in the context of a world where you’re accused of being a “fascist” for being slightly to the right of Elizabeth Warren, listening to them sing “Dig a hole in the meadow, to lay all the fascists down” was chilling to me because it felt like the normalization of political violence. Would they be humming that tune happily as they threw me in the gulag? I got the sense that they would. Maybe being an outsider to punk I’m not getting a performative aspect to it but Pol Pot’s name went through my mind. (I know you’re not going to please everybody on this review but I appreciate that you pointed out the context around the misuse of the f-word.)
Derrick
October 9, 2022 @ 8:56 pm
I really liked The Last One with Evan Felker. Felker and Ken Casey would never have been on my list of potential duets, but they sound good together, both trading off lines and in the chorus. I’ve never been a big punk or DKM guy, but this album was well-done and an excellent example of blending genres done tastefully. I’m impressed they managed to walk the line of recording acoustic, but still keeping the energy high.
Eagerly awaiting Vol. 2
David: The Duke of Everything
October 10, 2022 @ 4:26 am
Never listened to these guys before but I liked never get drunk again and the last one so I might check the album out. I’ve never really paid much attention to Guthrie’s stuff so might be a good listen. I thought your review was good. Far as the other stuff. I believe in unions, have been in a union for over 30 years. We need far more of them. Have some unions taken advantage and used the people they were serving, sure, but that’s one reason why we need more, better choices. The dates may change but the times never really do, the plight of the common worker stays the same.
DJ
October 10, 2022 @ 6:48 am
“I believe in unions, have been in a union for over 30 years. We need far more of them. Have some unions taken advantage and used the people they were serving, sure, but that’s one reason why we need more, better choices. The dates may change but the times never really do, the plight of the common worker stays the same. ”
There ain’t a dimes worth of difference between our worshipped gov’t creatures or unions.
BOTH demand tithing and worship and coerce the tithing- BOTH are corrupt to the core.
THINK! of all the promises they’ve made, then THINK! of all the lies we’ve been told
then THINK which one hurts the most, the promises made or the lies we’ve been told
Promises are only dreams, but lies are living real, we can change our dreams to fit the time
but what we can’t change are the lies, they shatter our lives and destroy our hope
Dreams can change to fit the time, but lies make our dreams a living joke
but they ain’t funny cause they’re real, they shatter our lives and destroy our hope
Dreams are just how we would like things to be, with life, love and happiness and the dreams are free- but lies cost us dear, with broken hearts and tears, so which one do you think hurts the most?- Promises they’ve made, or the lies we’ve been told?
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The words fascist, communist, anti-semite, racist, etc., are way over used in an attempt to *cancel* out, or evade a discussion… and guess who prompts that behavior? Projectionist, that’s who.
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I listened briefly to the two videos, I’m not impressed. I’m not into inauthentic… Woody Guthrie was authentic. However, I really liked Springsteen’s live version of This Land- was the performance authentic? I think it was.
You want authentic? Listen to Cody Jinks, “I Cast No Stones”… or “William and Wanda”…
“The Devil Wears a Suit and Tie” – it doesn’t matter what stripe he wears- an empty suit is a devil without a soul- authentic, I will add…
“Neither the left nor the right are gonna fight for the folks in between, that’s the way things really are, in the American dream”
Jay Eff
October 10, 2022 @ 7:27 am
FYI discrimination, manipulation, and poor working conditions at a workplace still exist. And also, I don’t understand or get into the whole pronoun thing a ton, but I do know that if a boss refused to address me as a guy and instead called me she all the time, it would feel pretty awful and not like a great place to be. Some people probably use and change pronouns for dumb reasons, but there are a lot of people who feel like they were born in the wrong body, and what the hell does it do to me to call them what they want to be called?
Tom
October 10, 2022 @ 9:40 am
The pronoun thing has been blown out of proportion by both sides. There shouldn’t even be sides. Common decency is to call people what they prefer to be called. And if someone accidently addresses you by the wrong pronouns, politely correct them and we can all move on.
If people intentionally use the wrong pronouns or names, they’re jerks. And if someone makes an honest mistake, assume it was just that, an honest mistake. More of than not, people have good intentions.
The Original WTF Guy
October 10, 2022 @ 11:14 am
@ Jey Eff and Tom: Careful. You’ll get banned from this site if you keep making this much sense.
Unlike the person above who seemed to suggest the Germans should have won the war.
Trigger
October 10, 2022 @ 12:44 pm
Nobody gets “banned” from Saving Country Music. I think it’s pretty obvious from the comments left here, all perspectives are allowed unless it crosses all lines of decency.
Ryan S
October 10, 2022 @ 12:09 pm
Seconded. Calling people what they prefer is just being polite. Hell I’ll call someone a made up word as long as they don’t expect me to remember it. It doesn’t mean you believe everything that they believe.
Trigger
October 10, 2022 @ 12:57 pm
I take no issue with using someone’s preferred pronouns either, as long as it’s up front, and not used in some sort of “gotcha” moment to attack someone as opposed to a simple mistake made based off of common parlance.
Again, my only point was you can’t compare the working conditions in the 30s and 40s to today. Probably didn’t need to be as much of a smart ass about it, but the point stands.
King Honky Of Crackershire (Happy Columbus Day!)
October 10, 2022 @ 1:28 pm
No, Tom, you’re wrong. Asking folks to violate their conscience and lie on your behalf, makes you a crappy, immoral person.
Tom
October 10, 2022 @ 2:08 pm
Very well, King Honky Of Crackershire (Happy Columbus Day!)
Travis
October 10, 2022 @ 3:28 pm
I’d say you’re a crappy immoral person if your conscience isn’t telling you to be respectful to others, which includes addressing someone how they request. But hey, if your conscience tells you to be rude to someone whose beliefs you don’t share, to each their own.
RD
October 10, 2022 @ 3:33 pm
Please refer to me as “The Man with the Magic Cock.”
King Honky Of Crackershire
October 10, 2022 @ 7:29 pm
Lying to someone is not respectful. Respect is honesty. Kindness is honesty.
Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina, isn’t my “beliefs”; it’s the truth, and I will not lie about it.
Tom
October 11, 2022 @ 7:53 am
I guess my joke missed. Someone who calls themselves “King Honky of Crackshire” shouldn’t be telling other people what they can and cannot call themselves.
But seriously, not everything needs to be a referendum on your own beliefs. Smile, be polite, don’t judge others.
Trigger
October 10, 2022 @ 10:50 am
My only point is that you really can’t compare the type of working conditions people faced in the 30s and 40s to the working conditions of today, just like you can’t compare the reach of “fascism” today to the level of fascism the world faced in WW2. When you’re singing songs that are literally advocating for the digging of holes to fill will the murdered bodies of political opponents, this context is imperative to convey. As I said in the review, that doesn’t mean there aren’t major issues facing the workers of today in a society with record income inequality. But let’s also contextualize Woody Guithrie’s words to the time period in which they were written when things were far and away worse, and frankly, make some of today’s concerns look comparatively minor.
ChrisP
October 10, 2022 @ 8:13 am
Personally, Guthrie is an artist I would prefer to seen leave in the pages of history. His support for FDR, likely the closest to fascism America has ever come, undercuts much of the messaging of his songs, which already require a good amount of historical context for the modern audience to understand. A few folks have mentioned this, and I agree that the project doesn’t feel authentic, which leaves me left wondering who this is meant to appeal to. There is a large segment of the country music-listening population – myself included – who will give this project little to no attention because of things Ken Casey continues to say, with his broad insinuations that anyone not of his political stance is a fascist. While I agree that we should separate do our best to separate artists’ personal beliefs from their work, I find that incredibly hard to do with this band, given bandmembers’ previous comments as well as the inherently political nature of the work itself.
Trigger
October 10, 2022 @ 10:57 am
Whether anyone likes the songs of Woody Guthrie or not, I would never advocate for his contributions to leave the pages of history. They should be there in an accurate portrayal of his contributions. For example, I personally dislike Florida Georgia Line. But if you write a history of country music in the 2010’s, it’s imperative you include them in it, because they were significant and influential. Changing history or lying about it aids the repeating of it from refusing to learn the lessons from it.
ChrisP
October 10, 2022 @ 1:52 pm
My bad on the typo, Trigger. I meant “should be left to the pages of history.” I’m not for erasing Woody’s music at all!
Trigger
October 10, 2022 @ 2:02 pm
Ah! Gotcha.
Matt
October 10, 2022 @ 12:10 pm
Parroting insane conservative historical readings of FDR and then saying modern listeners might not understand the historical context of Woody Guthrie is hilarious. These kinds of albums always bring out the best and brightest.
King Honky Of Crackershire
October 10, 2022 @ 1:03 pm
Look! ^ An upper middle-class, Wonderbread-skinned, urban millennial left a comment on SCM!
Matt
October 10, 2022 @ 2:39 pm
Sorry to defend FDR, the president championed by the upper classes and urban elite, on this majority black(?) and rural website.
King Honky Of Crackershire
October 10, 2022 @ 7:23 pm
One of the most fun things about making fun of Pasty-Whites, is that you get to laugh twice: once when you make fun of them, and then a second time when they’re too dumb to get it.
Trigger
October 10, 2022 @ 7:37 pm
No more comments on this thread, and if this comments section is just going to devolve into name calling, it’s getting shut down.
Corncaster
October 10, 2022 @ 12:17 pm
The word “fascism,” like “racism,” has been emptied of meaning by people who want to smear everything and everyone with it.
In general, political art is either manipulative or self-serving. Woody Guthrie was both. He was unfortunately named after Woodrow Wilson, a slimeball of the first class. Like Wilson and other so-called “progressives,” Woody Guthrie secretly loved force. He shilled for Stalin, for Chrissakes. If he’s now a footnote in American pop music, such that he requires the word “still” in backward-looking references to him, that’s progress in my book.
There better writers, better musicians, and more honest people than Woody Guthrie.
Time to “move on.”
Luckyoldsun
October 10, 2022 @ 12:42 pm
You can bring down every musician and artist in American history with selective use of facts and by subjecting every historical incident to whatever politically correct adjudicator is in force today.
Woody Guthrie is a giant in mid-20th Century culture and music and his influence goes on more than 50 years after his death.
CountryKnight
October 10, 2022 @ 4:48 pm
Guthrie shilled for people that were just as bad or worse as the people he was fighting.
He supported Stalin. His thoughts on tyranny are null and void.
Brad
October 10, 2022 @ 2:11 pm
Corporations are woke and nonsensical currently. So, either the DKM and Evan are smart and witty or dumb as doornails. Who really cares though. The album is forgettable, it won’t be in anyone’s rotation very long. On another note, Evan does look healthy in the video. Thats the biggest plus of all.
RD
October 10, 2022 @ 3:31 pm
More edgy, dissident, and apropos to our time would be an album called “This Machine Kills Globalists.” Someone should make that happen.
Brian
October 11, 2022 @ 3:17 am
Funny first thing I noticed is the author immediately downplays the rise of fascism in many forms in America by saying something along the lines of now a fascist is someone you disagree with on the internet.
Except sometimes that person is actually a fascist or is spouting fascist talking points.
Could you be so ready to deny the rise of right wing fascism in America because so many of your target audience are indeed fascists of one stripe or another?
Coat
October 11, 2022 @ 8:03 am
Not a fan of “right wing” fascism, huh? Ok, cool – me either. Would you care to inform the class what political ideology you personally advocate?
Trigger
October 11, 2022 @ 9:06 am
The “rise of fascism in America” deserves to be downplayed in comparison to when fascist regimes controlled the whole of the European continent, exterminated six million Jewish people, and caused the greatest calamity the world has ever seen in the same period that Woody Guthrie originally wrote these songs. This is not to say fascism doesn’t still exist. The United States is currently funding them in Ukraine—literal self-identifying Nazis. There are also very small sects of fascists embedded within the United States population that are also problematic. The point was to create a contrast between the time when these songs were written, and the level of true “fascism” today, which in some respects has been misrepresented by people who want to label anything they disagree with as “fascist.”
Countryfan68
October 11, 2022 @ 8:16 am
I love this album. I know this album puts down Trump supporters I am not a cry baby, the songs are great and I will be buying this album so he made an album putting down Trump supporters, I give this album a 10, love the music
Trigger
October 11, 2022 @ 8:16 am
Comments section is closed due to the excessive amount of off-topic comments and personal attacks.
Toro
November 1, 2022 @ 4:31 am
So antifa country? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA