Album Review – Treaty Oak Revival’s “West Texas Degenerate”

Cock Rock (not applicable) on the Country DDS.
In the new wave of regressive music being peddled as “country” because no other genre would dare put their stamp of approval on it, Treaty Oak Revival takes top billing, even above the Country Music Wrestling Heel himself, the slovenly and embarrassing Gavin Adcock. Make no mistake, Treaty Oak can go toe to toe with Gavin or anyone else with songs that condone and glorify shithead behavior. Koe Wetzel, eat your heart out. And no, this isn’t just an assessment of would-be prudes and PMRC lyric narcs.
Experiencing a Treaty Oak Revival performance is one of getting doused with beer by both the band and audience, dodging projectiles flung at the stage, and for this particular bear in the field, watching a 14-year-old girl get beaned in the back of the head with a half full beer by an 18-year old assailant, and crumpling in a pool of tears.
“Hey, that’s rock ‘n roll man!” is what Treaty Oak apologists will proclaim. But that’s exactly the point. This ain’t country, even if it shows up on Billboard’s country charts, or is being booked at country festivals where the band’s antics commonly infect the behavior throughout the event, not just during their set. Treaty Oak Revival deserves to be on the country charts just about as much as Beyoncé, meaning they don’t deserve to be there at all. This is a down-the-middle cock rock band injected into the country community like a scourge. At least Gavin Adcock sounds county.
This isn’t music that just happens to mention drugs. In many respects, Treaty Oak Revival is drug music. For some artists and bands, you can square the circle by talking about the cautionary tale the music traces, or by pointing out it’s only for mature audiences. But the former never really happens on the band’s new album West Texas Degenerate, and the latter becomes even more alarming when you realize the average Treaty Oak Revival fan is a 14 year old boy. This is masturbatory music to hide under the mattress. This is where your son learns to idolize cocaine use, and blame women for all his problems.
If you drew a venn diagram of Nick Fuentes and Andrew Tate, Treaty Oak Revival would populate the center. They makes screwing up sound absolutely awesome, almost poetic and meaningful. Even their own bass player Andrew Carey had to tap out earlier this year, saying in part, “Touring and rocking a little too hard has done a number on my back, body and mind … The road has taken its toll.”
“But Trigger, lead singer Sam Canty is California sober!” Well that just makes him even more of a cuckold if he’s out there slinging near beer on his fans, and singing lines like, “Well you can stay up till the sunrise with the help of some cocaine. Yeah, I’ve got the good cocaine,” and“I can’t be trusted with their substance these days. With a bottle of Evan and some cheap amphetamine.”
Make no mistake about it though, if you hand wave away these guys as simple degenerates with microphones and amplifiers that you risk giving inadvertent attention by criticizing since they’re so patently terrible, you’re selling this band from Odessa, TX aggressively short. There is a reason Treaty Oak Revival is topping country charts and getting big font placement on concert posters, and it’s not because they’re courting country radio or licking Music Row’s ass.
Treaty Oak Revival and West Texas Degenerate come with a raw energy, a real and uninhibited attitude, and structurally sound rock music of an aggressive nature. In an era of ultra-polished pop country and overly-sentimental pussified singer/songwriter music springing from pandemic-era pearl-clutching political correctness, Treaty Oak Revival feels like a rebellious, barbaric yawp that you can understand people wanting to join in with, especially boys and young men.

With their fans barking for blood and guts, Treaty Oak Revival throws them red meat in ample portions. Though this music is just a bit south of sheer metal, lead guitarist Jeremiah Vanley is able to work in those shades when the music calls for it, while drummer Cody Holloway deftly follows. The doubled up signal of Sam Canty’s lyrics, sometimes harmonized by rhythm guitarist Lance Vanley can get a little tedious. But it does come across in a wildly infectious and unique-sounding tone.
The devil’s advocate case for Treaty Oak Revival is that people who’ve spent their life pinballing from one self-imposed disaster to another while fielding relationship problems and wrestling with an addictive personality can deeply identify with this music. For many, the songs of West Texas Degenerate are not fiction or escapism. With substance abuse and destitution on the rise, fans find a level of solace in hearing someone speak to their experiences. As a guilty pleasure, Treaty Oak Revival is a damn potent one.
The melodic prowess of tracks like “Misery” and “Dosin” are undeniable. “Misery” and “Sunflower” could have been country songs if cut a different way. But Treaty Oak Revival is not a country band. And that’s okay, until they try to tell you it is, or take opportunities from country artists. This is where it creates conflict, even though the Texas music literati have found a strange forgiveness for them and their behavior when they would never do the same for Gavin Adcock, or put up with even half of the lyricism or lewd behavior from someone like Florida Georgia Line.
Regional bias hasn’t just earned Treaty Oak Revival a pass, but ringing endorsements from places like Rolling Stone simply because they’re from Texas. But this music is in no way indicative of the Lone Star State. Despite it’s undeniable baseline appeal, at its heart this music is strongly formulaic and unimaginative post-grunge pablum that’s wholly un-unique.
And even though the lyrics might drip with cocksure attitude and the guitars might be loud and crunchy, there’s something inherently overpolished about the effort. If you’ve heard Sam Canty sing one of these songs, you’ve pretty much heard him sing them all. Produced by Taylor Kimball who’s also worked with Koe Wetzell, Read Southall, Giovannie and the Hired Guns, and other edgy pop rock bands from Texas trying to push themselves as musicians of substance in the country space, it all sounds strikingly generic, and distinctly akin to Y2K radio rock.
The marketing behind this record has all been about maturing and growing, because just like the band’s former bass player, they know this stuff is unsustainable in the long-term. The stenographers in the media have been more than happy to carry their water, because Treaty Oak is popular, and they want to come across as connected and cool. But just like their fans, Treaty Oak Revival still have a tremendous amount of growing up to do.
It’s great that singer Sam Canty has found a level of sobriety. But if he was any bit of a true artist or songwriter, he’d stop pandering to his adolescent constituency of pubescent boys and man children, and start tracing his personal journey through these songs, understanding that rising above demons and hardship circumstances is what measures a man as opposed to the volume behind self-indignation.
Understand that every time you pick up a pen, a pick, or a microphone, you have an opportunity to shape the world around you in a way that very directly manifests in the behavior of others. And that responsibility is a solemn one. Do you really want to sling corporate beer all over yourself like you’re 17 and the parents are away? Or do you want to be a man?
5/10 as a rock album
2/10 as a “country” album

December 5, 2025 @ 9:24 am
Prefacing this with I’m a big country-rock guy and I really liked Treaty Oak’s last two records. I don’t mind a rowdy, beer-slinging, punk rock show (with the understanding that it shouldn’t be happening at megafestivals where the audience didn’t sign up for that). In short, I disagree with a lot of Trigger’s criticisms of this band.
That said, I really didn’t like this album. It all sounds muddy and overproduced. It’s hard to tell where one song ends and another begins. It sounds more polished and less grimy, which is weird from a band that prides itself on having a grittier sound. Shit Hill is the only one I find myself coming back to, and as more of a guilty pleasure than anything else.
Lyrically it fails for me also. Canty can write – Tattooed Roses, Close Encounters, See You In Court, and Fishnets all have interesting lyrical themes. But here, with maybe one exception (Naders) the songs are all about being drunk and high and angry and sad and none of them do it in a particularly interesting way.
Thanks for the review. Curious what the SCM audience consensus is on this one.
December 5, 2025 @ 9:34 am
Absolutely disappointed with you comparing them to Nick F and Andrew T. Like their demographic has anything to do with politics. Obvious attempt to try to create a bitter stigma about enjoying modern day solid southern rock sounds with west Texas soul written and performed by extremely talented and salt of the earth guys. Don’t be surprised if you get a few “Fuck you’s” for this. 🍿
December 5, 2025 @ 10:15 am
I don’t contest anything else you wrote – but I’m not sure I would so far as to call this (or the bands like them) “modern day southern rock sounds”.
It’s Nickelback with some twang to it. Blackberry Smoke and (before they broke up) the Steel Woods are/were modern day southern rock. Treaty Oak Revival, Koe Wetzel, etc. are just adding some twang to the pop-rock/metal they grew up on during the 2000’s.
Which is fine. To each their own, not my thing, but I don’t begrudge anyone for it either. But I’m not sure I would try and actually sell it as “modern day southern rock” sounds either. It’s radio-rock with country elements added in to the production and song-writing.
December 5, 2025 @ 10:28 am
There’s nothing Southern rock about this. I would respectfully disagree that there’s even elements of “Twang” to this music. It’s straight ahead 100% rock. The ONLY reason it’s being marketed as Southern rock or whatever is because they’re from Texas, and the rock/metal circuit would spit this out like the second version of Nickelback.
December 5, 2025 @ 10:25 am
First, the comparison to Nick Fuentes and Andrew Tate is not some sort of musical commentary obviously. It’s the commentary on how women are portrayed in many Treaty Oak Revival songs. When I saw this band perform earlier this year, and the guitar player was wearing a hat that simply said “Dumb Bitch” on it, it all made sense. You hear this down-looking attitude coming through their songs.
There is nothing “Southern rock” or “West Texas soul” about this music whatsoever, full stop. This is straight ahead rock music, period. As I said in the review, I could hear two of the songs as country or Southern rock songs if they were produced differently. But they weren’t.
“Don’t be surprised if you get a few “Fuck you’s” for this.”
I expect to get quite a few of them, because due to elements of “scene” in the Texas market, these guys have somehow insulated themselves from criticism in an unhealthy manner. The same exact people who would and do rip apart Gavin Adcock and other Nashville-based artists for similar lyricism and behavior give these guys a pass. This is an element of regional bias, and people’s judgement is being clouded because they either know these guys, or they know people who know these guys, and they want to be part of the cool kids crowd.
But children getting injured at concerts is not cool. Glorifying drug use for 15-year-olds is not cool. Calling rock music Texas country simply since they’re from Odessa is not cool. Want to take this stuff to the rock world and out of my purview? Be my guest. You bring it to my doorstep, I’m going to share my honest opinion. There’s a chance this album is #1 in country music next week.
Braxton Keith and other artists have stood up against the kind of behavior Treaty Oak Revival condones, and I am going to as well. If you actually care about the integrity of Texas music, you would stand up against this music too. It’s embarrassing, and portrays “Texas music” as no different than the slop coming out of Nashville.
We’re better than that. And frankly, I believe Treaty Oak Revival can be better than that. So as opposed to hypocritically hand waving away the troublesome nature of this band, I am going to speak up, criticism and “fuck you’s” be damned. I’ve got my big boy pants on, and can take it.
December 5, 2025 @ 10:32 am
You’ve obviously got great points but the most misogynistic music on the planet is HipHop/Rap and there’s zero outrage there….or with the drugs & violence. Its music. Its not for everyone. If its all they are then the motif will get tired but I think there’s some real talent there.
December 5, 2025 @ 10:43 am
100% agree there is a double standard when it comes to misogyny pointed out in country and rock compared to hip-hop, and I’ve made that point many times over the years.
December 5, 2025 @ 10:49 am
I get it. Maybe I’m bias, and the colorful language isn’t for everyone, hell it’s not for me, but I feel the Nick and Andrew comparison is still extreme. Those dudes represent a lot more ideas than the what you are describing in your review. It’s a broad stroke. It’s your style and I enjoy your style, regardless I think it’s too broad of a remark.
December 5, 2025 @ 11:59 am
2026 smokeout has booked Braxton Keith to open for Treaty Oak Revival, so it’ll be interesting to see how that works out…
December 5, 2025 @ 9:35 am
I like a handful of their songs. But I just can’t get into them. They all just blend together for the most part. But where they hit their groove is tracks that could just as easy be a Blink-182 song like “Happy Face”. The band makes really good emo country punk rock. Canty can’t sing for shit though.
December 5, 2025 @ 9:49 am
What’s weird, for me, is I actually really like Koe Wetzel. And these guys pop up all the time on my suggested artist list, as they’re often put into the same sandbox as Koe and his type of music. But I just can’t get into these guys. Can’t put my finger on exactly why, but maybe it’s some of the artistry and songwriting that you write about here. Not that Koe is super deep in this area either, but I think he’s been a bit more open and you can see some of the growth in this area lately as compared to his earlier stuff.
December 5, 2025 @ 10:17 am
I came here to say the exact same thing. Koe Wetzel’s rock records may sound similar to this outfit, but I find his songwriting much more compelling.
December 5, 2025 @ 10:34 am
I’ve always said Koe Wetzel’s music is deceptively deep. Obviously Wetzel is who seeded the appeal for this retro rock style of Texas music, but he also did it in a way that didn’t outright wizz on the country roots of the music. I think Wetzel has gotten away from some of the best of his music recently, but you go back and listen, and the songwriting is still there under the bawdy surface. Treaty Oak Revival is like taking all the surface level appeal from someone like Koe, but little of the underlying substance.
December 5, 2025 @ 11:28 am
This is the perfect comment to describe Koe’s connection to this genre. Up to Hell Paso, he was able to balance “fuck you bitch” rock songs with deceptively introspective sad songs that often validated the woman’s POV. Most other artists in the subgenre (dylan wheeler, treaty oak, gio and the guns, etc) try to do this and fail, and end up “ taking all the surface level appeal from someone like Koe, but little of the underlying substance”. So ya basically retweet
December 5, 2025 @ 10:25 am
I get the hate and don’t get the hate at the same time. I’ve seen these guys a few times and the venue and crowd have more to do with what transpires than the band. At Wheatstock 2024 they paired up well with Them Dirty Roses for an energetic young crowd night that was well behaved. Syndicate Smokedown in Ft. Worth was more typical but can beer sales were cut off so you got the shower without the danger. Us old fucks watched comfortably from the VIP side deck and everyone got what they wanted.
Ambience not withstanding, these guys have talent. West Texas Degenerate is perfectly Treaty Oak Revival. Bucking the demographic is my teetotaler daughter who’s really into them but alas her first review was “there’s too much drug talk but I think that’s also the point”. NWA’s content about drugs and violence didn’t make their music any less great. It was a mirror into their reality in South Central LA. Not saying Treaty Oak is that groundbreaking but in many ways they are simply a mirror into that degenerate culture…..perfectly named album. My only critique is that sometimes the songs and content sound too similar. They mixed a ballad or two into the album but lets branch out a little bit shall we?
December 5, 2025 @ 10:38 am
I agree that Treaty Oak Revival is talented. I watch Gavin Adcock, and I can’t tell if he’s talented or not. I think Treaty Oak Revival has the stuff to be a lot more compelling than they are. And this is the reason I voice my concerns. And even in the current state, I understand why people find appeal in them. This music has a lot of guts and it’s smartly produced to appeal to a wide audience.
December 5, 2025 @ 10:30 am
Why are you so bitter about this album? I completely understand everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you’re writing like your word is law. Truthfully, I think you’re intentionally manipulating what Treaty Oak Revival is about. Yes their songs are about partying and rock & roll, but you don’t know any of them on a personal level. Music is music. You’re holding a bunch of random dudes who happen to be in a band together to a ridiculous standard. Comparing/associating them to Nick Fuentes & Andrew Tate is a gross misrepresentation of what this band is about, and this article is disgusting. If anything, this is giving “you can’t cope” energy.
As for their average listening age (allegedly), why is it the bands responsibility to censor themselves, rather than those children’s parents? There’s a lot of finger pointing here that seems completely biased. Personally, I loved the album. I hope you give it another listen and lighten up a little, because you seem miserable. Good luck.
December 5, 2025 @ 10:41 am
“you’re writing like your word is law.”
My word is only my word, my opinion. It’s not law. Everyone has a right to an opinion, and I appreciate you and everyone else sharing theirs. That’s why I host an open form for everyone to share their opinions.
You’re right, I don’t know these dudes on a personal level, neither do 99% of their fans. All I can do is listen to their music, and that’s what this is a commentary on. If they don’t like that commentary, perhaps portray something different through the music.
December 5, 2025 @ 10:52 am
I understand your point of responding to the music; However, in your article you take their music very personally and literally. Your comments specially regarding their take on women interests me. I’m able understand that their songs are just songs, with no offense meant or ill intention. To take their songs literally would be to purposely fail to enjoy the music and the band as a whole. I noticed you mentioned the “dumb bitch” shirt as well. To me, this seemed like an inside joke or simply the wearer was calling himself a dumb bitch. If anything, this whole experience tells me more about your personal feelings towards women than the bands, based on your perception of everything.
Although I don’t know them personally, I can say almost 100% that these guys don’t mean any harm and believe in equality if that’s what’s really triggering you here. And obviously, no one *actually* supports drug abuse. I respect that everyone is allowed to have their own opinion, but I feel like you took this way too far, and way too personally. I appreciate your response and really do hope you’ll give it another listen with open ears and an open mind.
December 6, 2025 @ 10:50 am
Guaranteed that Bea is a “car meet” person, and probably drives a 2018 Honda Civic with a loud exhaust and some stickers on the side windows.
December 5, 2025 @ 10:35 am
So, this is basically what if Mötley Crüe and latter day Lynyrd Skynyrd had a baby: the debauchery of hair metal and the aesthetic of southern rock. I don’t hear much “post-grunge” in those two linked songs, but as that was the most recent style of rock that was relevant (20 years ago), I guess it’s still a somewhat apt comparison. It’s interesting me that it’s mainstream to be a shithead now, or at least more socially acceptable. As you say, most things are so packaged, predicable and sanitized these days that I guess seeming anti-PC or generally unagreeable is seen as a virtue rather than a liability. You can obviously draw a straight line to the policitcal landscape from this, too, but I’m not really interested in that here.
What I am interested in, and have brought up from time to time over the years, is that there just isn’t really a market for rock anymore. That’s why you have guys like Hardy doing half rock, half “country” albums; that’s why you have guys like Treaty Oak Revival being called “country.” That’s why people like Eric Church, who’s gone on record as implying he prefers rock, is trying his hand at singer/songwriter-esque records. Hell, Nickelback just collaborated with Shenandoah on a new recording of their number one “The Church on Cumberland Road” and have been popping up in other country-adjacent spaces since at least 2022 (for what it’s worth, the new version ain’t bad: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N9AVAEjQCyk).
As somebody who primarily listens to country and rock and doesn’t have much use for hip hop outside of scattered songs I like, I can sort of see the appeal of bands like Treaty Oak Revival, particularly in a sea of mild-mannered pop country and bro-country that I keep hearing is “dead” but sounds to my ears to be very much alive, just not dominant. Especially as someone who came of age with ‘90s and 2000s country and rock, I’m sure this positively sounds like a throwback. Rock isn’t relevant in the mainstream anymore, and southern rock and singer/songwriter heartland music (like Springsteen and Mellencamp) has more or less been co-opted into country. I don’t have an answer for any of this, but it’s really odd to watch unfold.
December 5, 2025 @ 2:23 pm
Treaty Oak Revival is “country” in the same way that the Countrypolitan scene in the 70s and 80s was slotted into country instead of Easy Listening/Adult Contemporary. Or the way some of the “pop country” hits of the 90s ended up on the country charts. Or the hip-hop country hits of the ‘00s. And so on, and so forth.
Any music sung by Southerners gets dropped into Country, and the Country music establishment is always happy to make money off of trend-chasing and opportunistic chart-crossing. It’s a self-reinforcing cycle.
What I’m saying is that Treaty Oak Revival and Crystal Gayle are the same: exactly the same.
December 5, 2025 @ 3:21 pm
And we’re ALL waiting for the times to get better.
December 5, 2025 @ 9:35 pm
If you don’t know Marshall Chapman’s version of that song, check it out. She’s amazing and the entire album on which it appears is great, great, great.
December 6, 2025 @ 11:18 am
It really does my heart good to see someone else dog on the countrypolitan scene. It’s an unpopular opinion, but to my ears a lot of it isn’t any more country than the country pop we have nowadays; the main difference is that they were trying to make big band/classic pop country rather than hip hop country. But, to most people (particularly in America), older automatically = better and modern = bad, because things are always bad in the present and were better in the past. The “past” that people keep nostalgizing just keeps creeping forward, until it inevitably meets the era that was “bad” to begin with. Such is life, I guess. On the other hand, I’ve mellowed over the years, and generally just want to enjoy the music I want to enjoy, which includes some “bad” stuff, so I try to let others do the same.
December 7, 2025 @ 3:13 pm
In defence of Crystal Gayle; she got class, she got the voice and she mostly got the songs. Comparing her records to, say, Olivia Newton-John and several other “country” acts from the period, it’s easy to separate the quality from the trash.
Sadly, mostly we’re fed trash, and the masses usually feast on it (Shania Twain, Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Rihanna, Jelly Roll, Liberace, Eric Church etc).
December 5, 2025 @ 8:29 pm
I think all the Xtreme rock stations that dropped everything that wasn’t drop d macho aggression and spent the past 20 plus years leaning into that are to blame. I’m a straight white dude that I guess should have lined up with that stuff demographically, but it was to my ears pure shit. And I’ll never understand why radio promoted Shinedown and hinder and Nickelback and breaking Benjamin and staind and all that excessively heavy stuff when bands like spoon, wolf parade, LCD Soundsystem, Ted Leo, the hold steady, yyys, strokes, modest mouse, japandroids and countless other actually good rock bands were putting out career records with actual sonic diversity and emotional range (and not alienating to women) all through the 00s and early 10s. In a nutshell that’s what kept me off rock radio – the bands just weren’t any good. If the programmers didn’t completely drop the ball, there’d still be rock in the mainstream. Hence anyone in a band has to look toward country and Americana to find anything resembling an audience.
December 6, 2025 @ 8:30 am
That’s an interesting thought experiment. Me, I prefer heavier stuff rather than the poppy punk sound of a lot of those bands you mentioned. It doesn’t necessarily need to be macho or drop D, and the casual misogyny is regrettable (but also present from pretty much the beginning of arena rock, rock n roll, and all the way back to the blues, so I think blaming “post-grunge” and the like for that is intellectually dishonest at best). The alternative/indie scene and its pretension never did much for me. If anything, the smugness was a turn off and their fans made it worse.
All that said, I think there’s a much larger argument here that I’ve brought up on other articles. People like to blame 2000s bands for the death of rock in the mainstream, but the reality is that those bands were very popular and sold lots of records. Some of them are still popular and selling lots of tickets even today, just like other classic rock bands whose eras have passed. I think three things happened in the ‘90s: rock became dark, existential, depressing, and most importantly, *self-loathing*; many rock listeners who grew up with ‘70s and ‘80s rock that didn’t like the new stuff moved over to country, where artists like Garth Brooks, Travis Tritt and the like were making music that was equally classic rock and country influenced; hip hop was coming into the mainstream in the ‘80s and ‘90s (among the many other factors, once Billboard adopted their new SoundScan rules, rap albums began debuting in much higher and more visible placement on the charts).
My theory has always been that the self-loathing and self-mocking and (especially) pretension of the “real” grunge bands was a massive part of what killed rock in the mainstream. Once you take the piss completely out of something, people cease to take it seriously. You can’t go back to playing it straight (eg, hair metal) and you can’t progress in a meaningful way. Or, more accurately, people may just not care, even if you do progress. Hence the bands you mentioned.
All that said, I think rock just burned so brightly that it became kinda old hat, whereas when it was “new” and “dangerous” it was the opposite. Kids these days tend to love hip hop and the hip hop-influenced pop that’s out there; they don’t care about rock. Rock is seen as their parents’ music: there’s a reason “Dad Rock” is a term while “Dad Country” and “Dad Rap” aren’t a thing, and that’s certainly not just because of some “post-grunge” bands in the late ‘90s and 2000s. Zoomers and alphas care more about a sick beat and flow than a screaming guitar solo, regardless of whether it’s in standard tuning or drop D. I’d imagine they’d regard the “good” bands you listed in much the same way as Hinder, Breaking Benjamin, Shinedown or hell, even Led Zeppelin, Van Halen and the like: they wouldn’t care.
December 6, 2025 @ 9:44 am
I dunno man. After 1998 to 2000, when the variety of 90s alternative radio got axed in favor of nu metal, rock radio never became listenable again IMO, and I never was able to go back to it. I fuckin HATED all those post-incubus/korn/bizkit/staind bands with a white hot intensity ad and still kinda do. And unlike the 90s bands, I don’t remember women being into that stuff really at all. And it all screamed Woodstock 99. When the mainstream is giving you staind and Nickelback and buckcherry and Shinedown every 5 minutes, it doesn’t matter that they play thrice or Paramore every other hour, or any of the bands I mentioned only in a 2am new music show. I know I’m not alone in feeling this way. The breadth of the indie rock scene was so much more interesting than what buttrock radio was playing, and it was listenable beyond the adolescent/teenage boy demographic. It that context, if you weren’t tuned into indie rock, the choice to listen to the college dropout instead of papa roach was a very easy choice to make. Rock radio basically handed the future to pop and hip hop on a silver platter. And country was no better, having transmuted into enough belligerent redneck xenophobic stadium anthems after 9 11 that it wasn’t worth listening through the noise for the occasional actual listenable country music.
December 6, 2025 @ 9:52 am
Re the dark depressing thing, that was not universal, and was mostly grunge, one sliver of “alternative”. In broader alternative there were tons of bands that were still fun and light and weird, even if they played through a wall of fuzz. And rock in general had a widespread Renaissance in the 90s across the board. Endless bands, endless styles, and they were all getting airplay in the middle of the decade. Easily on par with the rock era of circa 1970. That changed drastically when the radio format narrowed around 1998.
December 6, 2025 @ 11:42 am
Fair enough, it’s just my opinion. But I think the issue we’re having is that we have very different taste: as I said, I don’t cotton to the indie scene. My ex was into Paramore, for instance, and I found them grating as shit to listen to, along with most self-important “alternative” bands. I work with a couple of women in their 20s that love Incubus. But more to the point, I like riffs and power chords a lot of the time, and most of these bands don’t play that type of rock. Or, as you imply, there’s so much fuzz the guitars might as well be a synthesizer. I don’t deny that the indie rock scene was probably more creative and vibrant, as most alternative scenes are in comparison to their mainstream equivalent, but I’ve yet to find an indie rock band that was playing what I hear in my head when I think of “rock”, much less one that wasn’t also smug and hipstery.
I don’t even remotely speak for everyone, but I’d imagine that if you played indie rock for the average fan of classic blues-based, blue collarish rock, they’d pick “post-grunge” or maybe even nu-metal most times. At least in my corner of the dirty South, circa 2025 (maybe not back when the bands were new). That wasn’t handing anything to hip hop on a silver platter; and even if it did, that doesn’t account for the fact that zoomers and alphas generally don’t like rock of any stripe, no matter how “good” it is, because the style doesn’t speak to them. Two old farts at my job kept the radio on the classic rock station constantly, and the 20-somethings we hired couldn’t care less about any of that ’60s, ’70s, ’80s, or even ’90s rock. I remember a mini controversy a few years ago when Billie Eilish let it slip that she didn’t know who Van Halen was. But the people who cared and took offense weren’t a part of her demographic, anyway, and nothing in her music is indicative of anything related to Van Halen’s style.
But terminology is another thing, as we’re kind of crossing the streams. I like the odd nu-metal song, but I don’t make apologies for that scene. I tend to like me some “real” grunge and the stuff that gets slapped with the “post” label (with the exception of Nirvana, because Kurt Cobain was smug and his music didn’t interest me). Yes, there were other styles of music that came out at the same time, but the ’90s rock scene tends to be remembered as grunge/”post-grunge”/nu-metal, just like the ’80s rock scene is remembered as the era of hair/glam metal. I was just speaking to the conventional wisdom. As I have “bad” taste, I’ve been to concerts by plenty of these ’90s and 2000s bands; the crowds seemed pretty evenly split between men and women to me. Call me a schlub; I’m currently listening to John Corabi’s One Night in Nashville live album, and yesterday when I authored my initial comment I was listening to Mickey Newbury. But that’s just me.
December 7, 2025 @ 9:25 am
I wasn’t a huge fan of whatever grunge was for the most part, but I did like Nirvana because they had more quiet loud dynamics, more punk energy on sped up songs, heaviness that grooved effortlessly and was also sloppy, and good melodies and vocals – I never really dug deep into their lyrics so no comment there but the lyrics sounded like they fit. The “grunge” bands I never really got were like Soundgarden and AIC because they just didn’t groove I guess, and AIC was always so morose. If we’re talking household names I always liked the bands from that era with big guitars and poppy hooks like dinosaur Jr, pixies, weezer, cracker, pumpkins, gin blossoms, hole, Matthew Sweet, REM and even jsbx and sonic youth and cake and pavement a TON more than the dark grunge stuff or the pop punk bands like green day and blink 182, so whatever that says about my taste. So when radio leaned into those two sounds and nu metal, I felt like indie rock was actually capturing the free ranging spirit of the part of the 90s I liked.
January 7, 2026 @ 8:41 pm
You are the only on this thread that likes good music. I doubt anyone one this thread has even heard of those very popular indie bands.
December 6, 2025 @ 11:32 am
I read “Church on Cumberland Road” comment and immediately thought of Bob DiPiero and his cowriters for that song getting another royalty check. Merry Christmas Bobby D!
December 5, 2025 @ 10:36 am
Finally an accurate review of this album. There is actually nothing to add to your review. But I would disagree on one point: I don’t think Treaty Oak Revivals music is sold as “country” because no other genre would dare to put their stamp of approval on it. Rather, I have the impression that Treaty Oak Revival, like much higher quality bands like the Red Clay Strays, Shane Smith & the Saints, Whiskey Myers, 49 Winchester, Ole 60, The Marcus King Band, The Droptines and so on, are now considered “country” because such bands have somehow become homeless in rock music. In the past this music would have been considered southern rock, country rock, folk rock, heartland rock and so on. Today it is considered “country”. A lot of this has to do with changes within rock music. Entire styles like the ones mentioned above are somehow falling out of the “rock” genre today.
December 5, 2025 @ 10:48 am
Yes, the evisceration of the term “rock” is a MAJOR player in all of this, and that is one of the specific reasons I chose to review this album as a precursor to a much deeper discussion about genre. If you look at Billboard’s end-of-year Rock Albums list, the top titles are from Billie Ellish, Zach Bryan, Taylor Swift, Hozier, and Noah Kahan. What the hell is going on here? Rock and institutions like Billboard have created a refugee crisis where all of a sudden Alan Jackson fans are getting hit in the back of the head with beers thrown by Treaty Oak Revival fans because they’re being booked at the same festivals. It’s absolute chaos cause by a catastrophic lack of gatekeeping by institutions.
December 5, 2025 @ 11:16 am
The state of current Rock music is pitiable. Is there even a ” mainstream” rock scene anymore? Maybe the Five Finger Death Punch and Disturbed crowd is mainstream. To each their own, it doesn’t speak to me like the hair metal of old did back in the day. You have a good point Akade, I believe that the artists like Marcus King and other Southern bluesy rock acts struggle to find a scene. Marcus is just so unbelievably talented that he’s gonna make it regardless. In general though, Rock music as we knew it has declined rapidly in the mainstream consciousness.
Kyle, im not picking on you so much, as trying to get a handle on your thoughts. I suppose your biggest objection to this band is the dangerous beer throwing that seems to happen during family friendly events, and the themes presented. What about Hank III back in the day? Look how crazy his behavior live was, his drug lyrics , alcohol use, pill popping, dope smoking, slam dancing at his punk shows etc etc. Were most of those shows 18 and up only? I know i wouldn’t have dreamed of taking a kid to his concerts, particularly the notorious second half.
And come to think of it, his dad , ol Bocephus put on super rowdy shows back in the day as well. Not criticizing your premise but just curious. Im no fan of this band, so I’ve zero skin in the game.
December 5, 2025 @ 11:58 am
The question of how to square this with Hank Williams III is a good one.
First, if you go back and listen to Hank3’s album “Straight To Hell,” there is a lot of the similar seeming glorifying of drinking and drug use that you hear on this album. But with Hank 3, the final song of the album is “Angel of Sin” completes the narrative arc into a cautionary tale. This is what Treaty Oak Revival fails to do through “West Texas Degenerate.”
Second, at times Hank 3 did put out straight misogynistic songs, and I directly criticized him for it. Some of those later records are pretty hard to listen to these days. He wasn’t spared criticism, and shouldn’t be.
Third, I really do think demographics is important to understand here. This is the reason I attend so many festivals each year. This is where you truly see who is listening to what. In the case of Treaty Oak Revival, they drew the youngest crowd I saw in all of 2025. Their audience was full of kids, and I meant 12-14 on the front rail.
Dumbass behavior has always been a thing at concerts, and it will always be a thing. But it doesn’t mean we have to condone it or be permissive of it. You go to a punk show where a mosh pit breaks out, you know what you’re getting into. You go to the Two Step Inn festival in Georgetown, Texas to see Ryan Bingham perform and end up soaked in beer, it’s going to instigate conflict.
December 5, 2025 @ 11:04 am
It’s a worse version of Eric church being a country star because rock n roll isn’t really a genre anymore. Though church had a similar issue of encouraging bad behavior at his shows
December 5, 2025 @ 11:04 am
Album rules.
Treaty oak rules.
Not as good as their last album but its still very good.
December 5, 2025 @ 11:24 am
It’s a completely reasonable review even if I don’t entirely agree with it. The way the band presents itself kinda begs for character assassination pieces, so it’s hard to protest when they come.
I have to confess that I have a soft spot for this kind of music. I came of age in the height of the Nu-Metal and Post Grunge era and this kind of music is borderline nostalgic for me. That and at my core, I’m still just eastern Kentucky white trash, no matter what the number in the bank account reads.
Like others in their catalog, West Texas Degen is a fun, loud anthem filled album about a lifestyle that few listening to, or writing it, actually live. It’s entertaining to me as a grown man, slightly more concerning if it’s a 14 year old that thinks that’s entirely real.
Nonetheless, there’s more than a few “Alt Rock Country” bands trying to mine gold from the mid 2000s. Moonrocks are killing it, Wetzel is still a headliner, and Treaty Oak continues to pick up steam. Each draws different elements of the past, with Treaty Oak dabbling a little more into the metalcore mix especially in the drums – noticed a few instances of half time, sing song choruses in there.
They’re rolling through my town with WCG in February. I’ll probably grab tickets.
December 5, 2025 @ 11:36 am
Love when you get all contrarian and shit on an artist who is beloved by the scene. Gets me fired up
I would’ve been obsessed with these guys if they were big when i was in college, because i was a shithead and thought singing about that stuff was edgy and rare. Now in the post-Koe era every texas frat boy is singing about cocaine every other word and its exhausting.
Overall, its not as bad as Trig says because the music is inherently unserious and almost comedic with the depictions of drug and alcohol use. Like trig said, Canty is fuckin sober. He just knows what his fans like to hear, and that’s pseudo-edgy rock about being a hammered piece of shit. It can be fun
If you’ve heard one Treaty Oak song, you’ve heard them all. If you’re over the age of 23 and listen to this stuff outside of the gym, you might be just an idiot or an actual degenerate
Their guitar work and harmonies consistently fuckin slap though
Jeremy pinnell rips
December 5, 2025 @ 11:39 am
While I agree that they arnt country, I think their songs are relatable to an extent. Sometimes I like their fuck you attitude in their music. And sure they may not have said the most respectful things about women but we’ve all had an ex, and I’m sure most of us had a one night stand at some point, or drank too much. As someone who does blue collar work and is 24 I can relate to it. Sometimes I don’t want to hear George Jones or Alan Jackson sing a heartbreak song, sure I love them but they are missing the attitude that rock has to it. I wish the rock charts were still around. It’s like saying Tom Petty is country because he’s from the south.
December 5, 2025 @ 11:48 am
Thank you Trigger this band sucks and I’m glad to see it acknowledged here. Total garbage all around.
December 5, 2025 @ 11:53 am
Having put up my review of this act just yesterday with my thoughts on top of mind…
1. The band themselves describe their sound as ‘rock with a country accent’, which might be more true than they’ll want to admit if their trajectory goes exactly where one thinks it might. I’d call it post-grunge of a very specific stripe that came out in the mid-to-late 2000s when there was enough borrowing from country tones and twang and (some) subject matter without being beholden to that side of the industry; reminds me more of when Seether and Nickelback cut country-adjacent material than Blackberry Smoke.
2. There’s a reason I say ‘post-grunge’ and not ‘grunge’, because the hallmarks of post-grunge are overcompressed guitars, stock riffs, weak drums, and forgetting where they left the basslines. I grew up in this era and have a bit of nostalgia for it, but I’d also argue that a lot of the albums in particular have aged rather poorly outside of the big singles; the most ‘modern’ thing TOR try on this album is that metalcore breakdown on ‘Naders’ that any self-respecting rock band would be laughed out of the room. Cole Chaney has more rock texture and gravitas than these guys do.
3. Even by the standards of Treaty Oak Revival, I think this is their most middle-of-the-road project; the production is bereft of texture and feels like a very obvious (and kind of dated) play for mainstream rock radio, the lyrics don’t have the bite of ‘No Vacancy’ (there’s no ‘Tattooed Roses’ here), even the drug references feel a little shallow (‘Dosin’ probably being the best song here, though ‘Port A’ is a good second). Even if I try to take them at their sleaziest (like significant chunks of their sophomore album), this doesn’t have the same teeth or humour. If they weren’t getting the very obvious industry crutch of rock radio support, a more critical fanbase would say they’re selling out.
I’m not going to get on a soapbox about their live shows, mostly because I haven’t seen them live, but I’ve also been in enough underground metal and punk pits and have seen enough documentaries around Woodstock 99 to dislike a lot of the antics from a band that’s not credibly that heavy. All I’ll say is that if you’re becoming more known for your live nonsense than your music… well, ask Travis Scott how that turned out.
December 5, 2025 @ 11:58 am
Forgive them for they not know of the high bar set . People forget music is not subjective. It’s measured to the master works, writers , craft, people who reached and defined heights of achievement. I’ve said this befor the only thing subjective in this case is ithe artists works meaning. There is shit(the bottom) and everything in between all the way to the top. (High works)
The reason there is so much bad music art everything is because people don’t create to the high standard that was set long ago they don’t even know it exists . Music is not subjective again I need to emphasize that. If you enter this game be prepared to be measured to that bar and that’s what trigger is doing.
What does measuring look like? Pointing to certain elements and how compelling , brilliant these things are. It’s not preference. Your preferences have nothing to do with subjectivity.
These guys are in the shit category to top that off.
December 5, 2025 @ 12:13 pm
I love this is so true. We ask where have all of them gone? What has happened to really great artists at large. The answer is only very few recognize that bar exists so there are less exceptional work being made. Somehow we elevate even mediocre artists to the top and can no longer discern excellence. Reflection of our society.
But if a guy comes to renovate your house and frames a wall way out of plum and is missing studs you bet your ass your having him fix that shit. Hence recognizing what workmanship is. See people subconsciously use this rule but dont apply this methodology to other forms which still are required. Music being one. What do you think Trigger?
December 5, 2025 @ 12:16 pm
Still more country than Taylor Swift and all those skinny jeans wearing fags in Nashville. I grew up in the 90’s listing to hard core rap and I have never done any illegal drugs or beat my woman. So whoever wrote this article is an idiot in my eyes
December 5, 2025 @ 1:45 pm
Johnny Johnny Johnny, dark was that night you hit town last winter looking for a place to go. Thing is you woke up wrapped in pink sheets and the mosquitos tore you up throughout the night. That’s not comfortable for anyone. See it ain’t all candy Cain and silver lanes of glow for everybody.
December 5, 2025 @ 9:46 pm
Hey Johnny, why did you have to use gratuitously homophobic language in a comment on a story about misogyny?
Hey Trig, I appreciate your “free speech uber alles” approach, but language like this doesn’t express anything worth protecting or contribute to the marketplace of ideas.
December 6, 2025 @ 6:56 am
This isn’t a story about misogyny. Its an album review.
December 6, 2025 @ 9:01 am
The reason I didn’t censor that comment is because it’s illustrative of how some Treaty Oak Revival fans are synthesizing this criticism, and some of the language they use. I’ve been called a Taylor Swift fan by half a dozen different folks at this point. I’ve been called a Dan + Shay fan, fan of pop country, and said I have no idea what Red Dirt or Outlaw country is.
Meanwhile you’re seeing little or no defense for Treaty Oak Revival’s lyricism, music, or the behavior at their live shows, part of this is because much of it is indefensible. That is what would make interesting discussion, and would be actually be defending of this band. Attack me all you want. I’m not running a popularity contest. If you want to move the needle of public opinion, stop calling people slurs, and start convincing us on the virtues of Treaty Oak Revival.
December 6, 2025 @ 10:41 am
Yeah, and drinking a glass of wine with a splash of shit in it is objectively preferable to drinking a glass of shit with a splash of wine in it…
Still, imma step out on the patio and take a few deep drags from MBs Longleaf lo-fi. They the ones there on that record that can sing, btw.
Enjoy your drinks, tho!
December 6, 2025 @ 11:53 am
Keep those eyes wide open because you sound like an idiot. Also, “my woman”…..ah such an elegant term as if she were your property. Do you treat your dog just as well?
December 5, 2025 @ 1:33 pm
It isn’t just the sound of the album but the spirit behind it — or at least the spirit I feel behind it. I like artists who grind it out night after night, building a connection the hard way, to something that feels more polished, less lived-in, maybe even less sincere.
There’s something special about artists like Joe Stamm, Whitey Morgan, Dallas Moore, and others who claw their way up by playing tiny bars, staying with fans, living off donations, and leaving everything on the stage. You hear that life in their voices. There’s a grit and gratitude that can’t really be faked, and when you’re used to that level of authenticity, a big shiny album can feel hollow — even if the artist isn’t intentionally being superficial.
Different people latch onto different things. Some listeners want the polish, others want the rawness. Some want innovation, others want tradition. None of it is wrong — but I am someone who values heart, work ethic, and honesty in an artist. And when you don’t feel that coming through, the music just doesn’t land.
It doesn’t mean the album is objectively “crap,” but it does mean it’s not speaking my language — the language of road-tough musicians who sing like they mean it because they’ve lived it.
And when an artist rockets into attention, it can highlight that contrast between the ones grinding in vans and the ones catching algorithmic fire. That doesn’t mean TOR aren’t working hard — they are — but they don’t project that old-school “paying dues in smoky bars for gas money” aura. There’s less blue-collar romance, more youthful vibe.
HEART OVER HYPE
December 6, 2025 @ 9:46 am
I’m not a fan whatsoever but Treaty Oak had many years grinding throughout Texas in vans and dive bars before they blew up, so you may be misinformed. Music aside, they paid their dues in the scene. Also this comment reads like chat GPT
Jeremy pinnell rips
December 8, 2025 @ 8:50 am
they started in 2018 as mostly a cover band, so they have not been grinding it out that long.
December 8, 2025 @ 8:51 am
also, hit me up personally, don’t attack me here.
December 5, 2025 @ 2:07 pm
Trigg careful some drunk girl on twitter is very mad at you for this review LOL
December 5, 2025 @ 2:09 pm
She even posted her mad at you notes!
December 5, 2025 @ 2:37 pm
Damn Trig – that beer throwin’ at a show didn’t make a sound on the record but made it on the review. (I do get your sentiment though) And, my, my what a lot of words per comment above. TOR has become polarizing. I will listen to the album because I have teenagers. And TOR is music for teenagers. I like it some too – just like I liked Nickelback & Creed too. They don’t get artist awards but bubblegum is fun. Motley Crue and Skynard had a baby was a good one! I think instead it is Drive By Truckers from bizarro-world – All that rock & guitar from dudes in the south but instead of having their heads up there asses with self-importance (DBT), TOR has asses for heads. Keep on rocking in the free world I say. 🙂
December 5, 2025 @ 3:10 pm
Just curious are we going to get a review od ZBBs new album, the first reviews I’ve seen havent been too kind, and my first listen concurs. He really feels stuck in his chicken fried (or at least precovid era
December 5, 2025 @ 3:24 pm
The new Zac Brown Band is being considered for review.
December 5, 2025 @ 5:49 pm
Hopefully muscadine before ZBB. Muscadine has really started to pile up a legit catalog of good songs. Goose chase is a great song.
December 5, 2025 @ 3:20 pm
This is the worst article! You don’t understand the band at all!
December 5, 2025 @ 4:05 pm
He understands it better than most, he’s the creator of a website created to keep real country music and close genres to it alive and well, and to help excellent underground artist make it to where they want to be, helps them to be heard. This is my favorite website to visit, I get it, I get why Triggers heart and soul is into this. With that said TOR does NOT fit any of this. Think of the whole picture, not just on a band that you obviously like, and that’s totally okay, but this website is not for bands like them.
December 5, 2025 @ 3:21 pm
For the life of me I do not understand how people keep drawing comparisons to Skynyrd or any southern rock for that matter. Southern Rock was rooted in the blues and I fail to hear anything remotely close to the blues in these guys music. Sure they might be playing pentatonic scales and progressions but it ends there. I had even seen an interview where they had likened these guys to what Tom Petty was doing with the Heartbreakers through the 80s and that’s flat out disrespectful to Tom and Mike. These guys obviously have some talent in the fact that they can play their respective instruments well but the lead singer can’t sing all that well and his writing is generic surface level little man syndrome butt rock. It’s not even good rock and roll at that. Whiskey Myers and Blackberry Smoke are two of the finest examples of southern rock with music that can be fun while also having some cuts that dig a little deeper. Treaty Oak isn’t it and if it wasn’t for their live shows and the antics they wouldn’t be anywhere near the level they’re at now.
December 5, 2025 @ 3:29 pm
They’re no Hardy!
December 5, 2025 @ 3:41 pm
Saw them live this summer for first time. They put ina fun energetic show. A stage full of guitars/musicians. It was a festival so perhaps that’s why I didn’t see any of the behaviors described here (beer can throws etc). They rocked out, the crowed enjoyed it and was a fun evening of live music. I guess I’m a degen *insert shrug emoji
December 5, 2025 @ 5:53 pm
Treaty Oak Revival is the meth ravaged West Texas cousin that had some potential but never matured past around 16 years old because they couldn’t break the cycle of intergenerational chemical dependency.
December 5, 2025 @ 7:33 pm
The arguments about genre are so fucking tired… Listen to it or don’t, JFC.
December 5, 2025 @ 8:11 pm
The only people that pearl clutch about nick Boomers who don’t get it and can’t fathom what it’s like to be a young man who has had everything that matters taken from them. Bands like this, and Nick are both downstream from the Boomer Truth Regime.
December 6, 2025 @ 9:08 am
What on earth does this mean?
December 6, 2025 @ 10:10 am
This is the gayest comment ever put on this website…
December 5, 2025 @ 9:44 pm
Ah, “California Sober,” where you pretend you’re in a better place entirely while still relying on a substance.
December 5, 2025 @ 11:26 pm
Alright you mutha fckas, I’m the only sane sob around here. I agree with most of the review, but for some reason I kinda like this album. It’s gutter trash, but so is doyle and we get along now. I think it will wear off in a week after Linda let’s me back in, but while me and snot nose frankie are ridin’ around in my dually, I got the new album on tellin him his momma can’t call me drunk bc she never knew me sober.
December 5, 2025 @ 11:27 pm
shit damnitt. I meant Vaugn, not me. We’re almost back from the county line.
December 6, 2025 @ 9:07 am
What about our instruments?
December 6, 2025 @ 3:54 am
…guess “hold my beer” didn’t make the shortlist for album title?
December 6, 2025 @ 10:47 am
I like rock and country, and I like cowpunk, rockabilly, southern rock, and rock infused alt country. And I don’t care if the lyrics are sexist, I like David Allan Coe’s underground albums and GG Allin’s country record…
This though… it’s not good rock. Instrumentally the drums and guitar playing sounds like 2000s pop-punk/emo, which is not a great era to take inspiration from. I’m also not a big fan of the country elements here, it’s the same bro-country melodies and overdone put on twang we’ve been hearing on pop country radio for years.
To me this sounds like corporate over produced junk being mashed up with more corporate over produced junk. Luke Bryan meets Good Charlotte. It sucks….
Listen to Hank III, Hammerlock, Supersuckers, Whiskey Daredevils, or Nine Pound Hammer instead.
December 6, 2025 @ 6:20 pm
I don’t know much about TOA, although I saw them open for another artist. I thought they were fine, maybe not great but definitely entertaining and energetic. Music needs more debauchery and testosterone after the feminist, woke trash we had to put up with the last 5 years.
This is the rare, harsh review from Trig. A lot of times everything is a 7.7-8.2. I used to trust the “one and a half guns up” reviews but when everything gets the same rating, when clearly there’s trash not being called trash, you quit paying attention.
December 7, 2025 @ 2:57 pm
We’re living in the Time of the Man-Child.
The music from the last 25 years or so reflects this.
December 7, 2025 @ 11:28 pm
Another banger from our own Lester B. Couldn’t agree more. Spent a whole concert swatting off beers so the child in front of us didn’t get pelted as her oblivious parents never even turned around.
December 8, 2025 @ 3:00 pm
I disagree. I’m loving this sound. Stop & Stare was one of my most played songs this year and this album is pretty decent too. Excited to see where these guys go with it.
December 10, 2025 @ 7:56 am
After all of the hullabaloo, I had to check it out.
The singer has a country accent…the music itself is late 90s, early 2000s sanitized “hard” rock. This is music that, quite frankly, I’d have expected to hear from some of the local bands I was listening to in college. There’s nothing that separates the music and makes it distinguishable from dozens of other bands even though they appear to be semi-proficient at their respective instruments.
It’s nothing special and I found something else to listen to after the first four songs.