Bebe Rexha Admits She Doesn’t Consider Herself Country, So Why Does Billboard?
Yes, this topic again, brought to you by none other than foul-mouthed country artist Wheeler Walker Jr., who took time from writing country porn songs to troll pop star Bebe Rexha on Twitter Tuesday (3-13), and got a rise out of the woman who now holds the record for the longest charting #1 single by a female in the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart’s 60-year history.
In a series of tweets, Wheeler Walker Jr. waylaid Bebe Rexha for disrupting the country charts (and for being a Russian agent, incidentally), getting the pop star with over 1 million Twitter followers to respond.
“Finally heard that garbage ‘country’ song from Bebe Rexha and Florida Georgia Line,” Wheeler tweeted out. “Any radio programmer or DJ who supported that shit should lose their job immediately. I’m not just gonna sit here silently while talentless assholes try & ruin country music.”
Bebe Rexha responded, “I’m not claiming to be country. FGL and I wrote a song that people are connecting to. Music is about pushing boundaries. I’m proud of it.”
Well then there it is. If Bebe Rexha herself is not claiming to be country, then why the hell has her song been #1 on the country charts for 15 weeks now, and just broke the Top 10 at country radio? Someone please send this quote over to Billboard’s country chart manager Jim Asker and have him explain to us why this ruse continues to be perpetrated on the country music public?
What was Billboard’s Jim Asker doing as all of this was going down on Twitter? He was writing and publishing yet another puff piece from the publication praising the historic run of Bebe Rexha’s “Meant To Be.”
“The song surges by 24 percent to 26.4 million audience impressions in the week ending March 8, according to Nielsen Music, earning Most Increased Audience honors,” Asker wrote. That’s right, 15 weeks at #1 on the Hot Country Songs chart already, and last week it increased its audience more than any other song. This thing is a monster, and it’s using country as it’s spring board.
But there’s so much more to unravel from Bebe Rexha’s 25-word response to Wheeler Walker Jr. So much was said in so few words about why this conflict has been foisted upon country music unnecessarily. We already know “Meant To Be” was never meant to be a country song. It wasn’t recorded to be one, and wasn’t logged on the country charts until it was sent to country radio. Bebe Rexha “not claiming to be country” should all but seal the deal about what the right action by Billboard should be, which is to make the song ineligible for the country charts.
Bebe Rexha also said, “FGL and I wrote a song that people are connecting to.” But this is only partially true. They may be connecting “to” it, but they may not be connecting “with” it. As Saving Country Music has explained in the past, “Meant To Be” very specifically benefited from $0.69 song price discounts, and favorable placement on Red Music YouTube Playlists to fabricate the impression of organic interest in the song early on. It also benefited from uncharacteristically favorable placements on three of Spotify’s four biggest country music playlists.
Perhaps subsequently the song has taken on a life of its own, but with so much information coming in just in the past week about the ability to buy spots and plays on playlists, and seeing how “Meant To Be” clearly benefited from playlist placement early on, who knows how much of the song’s success is due to appeal in the market. We’re living in the steroid era of streaming, and it’s just a matter of time before the asterisks start getting handed out, and “Meant To Be” may be chief among them.
Bebe Rexha also says, “Music is about pushing boundaries.” Maybe pop music is about pushing boundaries. Maybe hip-hop and EDM, and even rock are about pushing boundaries. But country music has always been about preserving boundaries, and paying homage to the past.
Going back to the very beginning of country music—back to 1927 and The Bristol Sessions, which was the first commercial implementation of country music—artists like The Carter Familly and Jimmie Rodgers weren’t playing the contemporary music of the day. They were paying the music of their ancestors and forebearers forward, just like Roy Acuff was on the Grand Ole Opry years later, and just like The Outlaws were when they invited Acuff, Ernest Tubb, and Bill Monroe to play Willie Nelson’s Dripping Springs Reunion and early 4th of July Picnics when Nashville had put these artists out to pasture. But of course Bebe Rexha doesn’t understand this because she’s not a country artist.
Of course country music must evolve, and boundaries must be pushed to some extent. But not to the point where country music is indiscernible from it’s past, indescribable from what it’s supposed to be, and indiscernible from every other genre. It’s always the most derivative filth they try to pass off as “evolution” or “pushing boundaries.” This language is simply a cover for devolving the music to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and the widest possible audience.
If evolved, boundary-pushing music was rewarded in our time, Dan Tyminski’s record Southern Gothic would be setting records right now, not Bebe Rexha. Gangstagrass would be the cross genre collaboration creating all the buzz, not “Meant To Be.” But this isn’t about pushing boundaries at all. It’s about diminishing the value of recorded music. And it’s not even that “Meant To Be” is the worst country crossover song in history. It’s that the song is making history when it should have never been allowed on country charts in the first place.
Calling Bebe Rexha country has created a completely unnecessary point of conflict in country music. Bebe Rexha was doing just fine in pop. Why cross over into country, especially when Rexha herself is saying she doesn’t consider herself or her song as part of the country genre? Instead of writing puff pieces to cover their tracks, Billboard and Jim Asker should exude some leadership here and craft a way out of this fiasco, as well as a resolution to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
This is madness. And it’s time to put a stop to it. When Wheeler Walker Jr. is the voice of reason in a situation, you know how far you’ve slid.
hm
March 14, 2018 @ 7:45 am
In one paragraph, you write “But country music has always been about preserving boundaries, and paying homage to the past” but later, you write “Of course country music must evolve, and boundaries must be pushed to some extent.”
Wondering what you consider GOOD boundary pushing as opposed to bad boundary pushing?
MH
March 14, 2018 @ 8:23 am
See Jon Pardi and Mo Pitney. They have a contemporary sound that maintains the roots of the country music genre.
Amanda
March 14, 2018 @ 10:46 am
Don’t forget William Michael Morgan! His album is incredible. Mostly a throwback to 90’s country, but a few songs have a few modern elements mixed in. I’d highly recommend checking out WMM’s “I Know Who He Is” and “Back Seat Driver”. Both songs include fairly strong songwriting as well. Jon Pardi and Mo Pitney make great music as well.
Trigger
March 14, 2018 @ 12:36 pm
Totally understand how that would be confusing, but as others said, there are ways to do both: move the music forward in creative ways, without straining the ties to the roots. That space is where you get the best country music.
Erik North
March 14, 2018 @ 5:34 pm
I for one would consider “Meant To Be” no worse, but certainly no better, than most of the bilge that gets played on corporate country radio these days. FGL won’t give any previous country duos any nightmares; and Bebe Rexha doesn’t have a voice that’s anything to write home about, country, pop, or otherwise. And it obviously is neither traditional nor progressive. It’s just typical corporate Nashville junk.
A far better example of someone who is, more or less, outside of the country genre but who nevertheless understands it inside and out would be Linda Ronstadt–and I don’t just mean her TRIO collaborations with her good pals Dolly Parton and Emmylou Harris. Linda also collaborated with the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band on their 1980 hit “An American Dream” and their 1974 recording of the Hank Williams classic “Hey Good Lookin” (which Linda certainly knew, having listened to Hank Sr. and a lot of other country music while growing up in Arizona).
Linda has always been straightforward about the fact that she never considered herself a country artist, certainly not if you think of the genre only in terms of Nashville. But her track record, from the late 1960s to her retirement in 2013, bears out that she knew how to keep the traditional spirit of country music intact while moving it forward and making it relevant to rock and roll audiences, which is why she has a great collaborative streak in her, and why the list of female country artists she has influenced, again from outside the conventional country music world, has been extremely long.
Linda showed how such a collaboration can and should be done. THIS, to put it mildly, isn’t it (IMHO).
Trigger
March 14, 2018 @ 5:56 pm
A lot of folks are bringing up crossover stars and country/pop collaborations in connection with this issue. But the one big component they’re missing is none of these crossovers and collaborations ended up completely rewriting the country music history books like Bebe Rexha is doing. Is it unprecedented for a pop artists to release a “country” song, or to collaborate with an established country artist? Of course not. It’s unprecedented that it very might well become the longest charting #1 single in country music history, and already is for a woman.
Erik North
March 14, 2018 @ 6:56 pm
I totally agree with what you said, Trigger. I am also of the opinion that the mere re-writing of country music chart history, aided and abetted by Billboard perhaps with more help from the Nashville corporate hierarchy, with this record isn’t necessarily something to be proud of.
Just for the record, I have been a Linda Ronstadt fan since I first heard my aunt’s copy of LIVING IN THE U.S.A. in 1978, when I was eight years old. This is pretty much why I do mention her a lot here; but I also do it because her history speaks for itself, both in terms of commercial success and artistic integrity in ways her peers in Nashville, from Trisha Yearwood to Margo Price, appreciate like crazy.
Corncaster
March 14, 2018 @ 4:07 pm
hm, in country music we have rhythm, form, melody, harmony, instrumentation, and lyric. Mess with any two and you’re probably ok. Mess with three and you’re pushing it. Mess with four or more, and you’re making some other kind of music.
There are also intangibles, like the high lonesome sound, the wood and trickle of mountain music, and the feels of like truckin’ music and whatever. Country music is a solar system. You have to be in it to feel the different gravities.
The problem with Global Monogenre is that it pretends to be all happy inclusive, on the condition that no differences matter, or survive. The hypocrisy of monogenre sticks in our craw. At bottom, it hates whatever has identity and is distinctive. It is corrosive of what people were, are, and love. You know where everyone is treated the same?
In hell.
Warthog
March 14, 2018 @ 4:59 pm
“Country music is a solar system. You have to be in it to feel the different gravities.”
I’m definitely gonna steal this. Awesome thought, Corncaster.
Bear
March 14, 2018 @ 11:04 pm
I agree that monogenre has created a hypocrisy in pop. If you are not the same you are not included yet if you are the same mono-genre you get called a copy cat or don’t stand out.
People who listen to mainstream pop wouldn’t know how to handle somebody outspoken like Grace Jones. I doubt they’d much know how to even handle Lady Gaga anymore if she was still doing wild stunts. Kate Bush, Tori Amos, even Annie Lennox and Feddie Mercury, Bowie, Prince probably wouldn’t survive today. Too much talent to contained by one format song production either. Hell Madonna probably wouldn’t have made it had her career started about now.
Tow the sonic line or get the boot.
Jon
March 14, 2018 @ 7:48 am
Red Music is a cancer, they get their shitty romanian asses out of the US
Jon
March 14, 2018 @ 7:48 am
they *better get
Corncaster
March 14, 2018 @ 8:21 am
Nothing sh*tty about Romanian ass.
Just sayin’.
Sam
March 14, 2018 @ 9:44 am
I hate to be a party “pooper” but everything is shitty about any ass *shrugs*
Almost Out of Gas
March 14, 2018 @ 11:04 am
Just ass shitty ass all our asses.
Corncaster
March 14, 2018 @ 11:37 am
I’m so glad I posted.
Jon
March 14, 2018 @ 11:07 pm
Man, there’s two Jons on here now, apparently. This one doesn’t have anything personal against Romanians.
Jack Williams
March 14, 2018 @ 7:53 am
Music is about pushing boundaries.
Problem is, this is pushing from the outside. And not a good faith effort.
Clyde
March 14, 2018 @ 3:59 pm
That is the truth Jack.
In the past pushing the boundaries came from within Country Music. Take the Countrypolitan sound. Comparatively some of that stuff did not sound very country. But at that time you had simultaneously Merle, Buck, Waylon and Paycheck challenging for chart supremacy, so Countrypolitan couldn’t hijack the genre. Now the challengers to mainstream are Simpson, Isbell, and Stapleton? Just not the same.
Owen
March 14, 2018 @ 7:56 am
Honestly, the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart is totally meaningless, and we should consider Country Airplay to be the legitimate one. Any pop song can top the hot country songs chart, assuming it’s released to country radio. It takes work to top Airplay
Golddust
March 14, 2018 @ 10:21 am
Sadly, I am now hearing this song … well, at least the 15 seconds of it I’ve listened to before going back to talk radio or a CD … more and more on the local country stations, which are owned, of course, by iHeart.
Scotty J
March 14, 2018 @ 10:56 am
As corrupt as the mainstream radio system is the streaming calculations are far worse. They need to strongly reconsider how they calculate them for chart purposes. I flat out don’t believe what they say are a fair representation of what is popular.
Radio doesn’t play a song for 15 seconds and say that’s the same as playing the whole thing and you don’t purchase 15 seconds of a song. And that’s not even considering these viral video which don’t measure a song’s appeal at all. Streaming calculations are warping what is considered popular in all of music.
Trigger
March 14, 2018 @ 12:38 pm
Much of radio purposely excludes songs if they’re only played partially. I know CDX who is now accounting for Americana does not count song snippets from promos, etc.
Scotty J
March 14, 2018 @ 12:55 pm
Yeah, I should have said doesn’t count. I have a feeling that the reason this was done in the beginning with streaming was to boost the numbers of this new format with the idea if you make the numbers so huge then everybody from artists to labels to publishers to fans will have to get on the streaming train.
I would love to see some internal data on how long people listen to some of these songs. I’m sure they have that information.
Robert
March 14, 2018 @ 11:50 am
I feel like they’re both meaningless for different reasons. The airplay charts are just owned by Nashville label heads, while the hot songs chart is owned by streaming. With airplay you get whatever shitty “country” song is being forced onto the stations, and with hot songs you have to deal with the pop streaming and spin numbers sending songs like this, that don’t even say they’re country, to the top.
Gina
March 14, 2018 @ 7:59 am
I feel like I’ve heard more about this girl than I have about the President in the last few days and that’s really saying a lot. No one seems to like this song, but it’s charting like crazy so I don’t know. I’m actually all for pushing boundaries in country as long as it’s good. Which this isn’t.
RD
March 14, 2018 @ 8:04 am
In the picture, she looks like she just consumed her own music and is making an attempt to regurgitate the vile dreck before it poisons her.
King Honky Of Crackershire
March 14, 2018 @ 12:11 pm
That’s not what I see. To me, it looks like one those ads for a 1-900 number that used to be in nudie mags years ago.
Corncaster
March 14, 2018 @ 8:17 am
It was worth reading an article about Bebe Whatever to find out about Gangstagrass:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG7Ujh0XVH0
Big smile. Get together, people!
Habber
March 16, 2018 @ 6:44 am
Ha, I like Gangstagrass. I’ve been listen to their stuff since I started watching Justified a few months back.
albert
March 14, 2018 @ 8:33 am
Folks who would support ( purchase/listen to/program ) this song and this kind of non-descript ‘wallpaper music ” say more about themselves than about the COUNTRY music genre . We basically preach to the choir here at SCM . I can’t control what friends or workmates listen to . I can only continue to expose them to far better options when the opportunity presents itself ….and if that sounds a bit like the proverbial ‘ bible-thumper’ approach to ‘informing ‘ someone , so be it .
I still believe in the power , the value , the healing properties and the inspiration found in GREAT music of integrity…regardless of the the genre . COUNTRY and Gospel/Spiritual music have always been the absolute last bastions of these characteristics .Its important that we keep exposing those unaware of that to the inherent power and ability of REAL country music to connect to your heart .
The world is progressively more brainwashed by materialism and this , of course , makes $$$$ the bottom line on all fronts . ALL fronts . Lying , deceiving , cheating , misleading , selling out , exploitation of ‘artists’ , absolute commercialism of music ……all of these practices have become more and more acceptable as somehow justifiable means to that end . Shit music is here to stay for as long as people can be brainwashed into paying for it , listening to it and are informed by it . Our mission to ensure that other options remain available is , perhaps , more challenging than ever . But its sooooo worth the effort .
Stephanie
March 15, 2018 @ 7:39 am
I just wanted to say I love this comment.
Corncaster
March 14, 2018 @ 8:40 am
Trig, Gangstagrass shows how it’s done right. Their mix works because way back when, western harmony met African rhythm and the rest is musical history. Their music isn’t just a mash up because there’s togetherness at a much deeper level. They bring together traditions rather than dissolve them, like McAnally’s globopop monogenre nothingness. Gangstagrass is not “country music,” it’s not “bluegrass,” and it’s not “Americana.” It’s American music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAgVPEmf2ws
Not placeless music, which is perfectly connoted by the completely placeless, rootless name “Bebe Rexha.”
Isaac
March 14, 2018 @ 11:24 am
Placeless, rootless? We’ve gone over this before, she’s Albanian!
Corncaster
March 14, 2018 @ 11:38 am
And it doesn’t matter! etc.
RWP
March 14, 2018 @ 9:16 am
I get so sick of this “pushing boundries” or “restrictions” I could hurl.
Merle,Johnny and Waylon pushed boundaries all the time and still sounded country. Shit, Big n Rich pushed boundaries and STILL sounded more country than any of these pukes do on the radio today. Billboard is a joke.
Kevin Smith
March 14, 2018 @ 9:34 am
Clearly the Bebe phenomenon is achieved by gaming the system as you have shown. There ought to be more outrage. Until somebody big in the industry calls it out, we will see more of this culture rot. Putrid, rot.
Like Tyminski with banjo just fine. Southern Gothic not so much. Ganstagrass is hoping to be the missing piece in the so called Americana genre. But I wouldn’t call em country.
James O
March 14, 2018 @ 2:08 pm
Is tyminskis new album the one we’re talking about or his old ones ?
Aggc
March 14, 2018 @ 9:39 am
If anybody knows ‘garbage’, its Wheeler Walker…
Sam
March 14, 2018 @ 9:42 am
You can’t say a song that is a bland paint by numbers pop hit is pushing boundaries. When people say that country music must “evolve” and “push boundaries”, I don’t disagree with them, but this is NOT pushing boundaries.
Pushing boundaries is what the Carter Family did by creating commercial value out of old favorites. Pushing boundaries is by adding an obscure Hawaiian instrument and defining a genre. Pushing boundaries is by creating the greatest concept album with Red Headed Stranger. Pushing boundaries is by adding a mariachi band to a song about true love. Chris Stapleton is pushing boundaries by adding Blues and R&B flavors and creating an original yet undeniably country sound and feeling. The list goes on and on with Lindi Ortega, Sturgill Simpson, all of the Hank Williamses, even neotraditionalists.
I hate the idea of a purist country genre because it cuts out some of the best sounds of Country Music. Reinvention is being hijacked by unoriginal talentless hacks.
Sam
March 14, 2018 @ 9:50 am
Gosh just thinking about this makes me madder and madder. How can bro country be considered “pushing boundaries” and a natural evolution of the genre. I am pulling my hair out.
Time to step away from the keyboard.
Trigger
March 14, 2018 @ 12:40 pm
Music Row is hijacking the term “pushing boundaries” just like they were “Outlaw” a few years ago.
King Honky Of Crackershire
March 14, 2018 @ 12:53 pm
“Chris Stapleton is pushing boundaries by adding Blues and R&B flavors and creating an original yet undeniably country sound and feeling.”
I deny it, wholeheartedly, and without question or hesitation.
OlaR (Was Already Country When Country Wasn't Cool)
March 14, 2018 @ 10:18 am
Only “pushing the boundaries”?
Where is the other phrase: “taking (country) music to the next level”.
Billboard is ruining the country charts (& what is left of Billboards reputation).
Nashville & “country”-radio are ruining country music. Cutting the ties to the rich history of the format.
Signing Sam Hunt or LoTrash. Playing Sam Hunt & FGL with or without Bebe whatshername.
The labels & “country” radio are pushing the boundaries. But in the wrong direction. Clueless & talentless. Pretty boys & girls. The next big thing is just around the corner. 15 minutes of fame & Shane McAnally or Ross Copperman are in the studio with the next Sam Hunt or Chris Lane. Dancing with the Has-Beens is waiting or a reality-soap on channel 647.
Pierre
March 14, 2018 @ 10:36 am
Trigger,
Very good question. This song does not belong to country music.
This issue is not new however.
In my opinion, some bad people have been working hard to push for garbage since the late 1800’s (ref: the decadence movement “Modern Art”): decadence, adult theater, no morality, disgusting topics and behaviors…
Before that, Music and Arts were intended to reach out to the human soul and you can clearly see it through the centuries. It is really sad that those guys ruined Music and Arts after centuries of great achievements (Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner) and then garbage. I love country music and it is an integral part of the american culture but in a similar fashion it has been going downhill (culture has been going downhill since the late 1800’s). Of course, independent artists remain and produce great music (which is why I love following your blog) but I can’t listen to country radio anymore even though I am millennial.
Sam
March 14, 2018 @ 1:49 pm
I wouldn’t necessarily marry modern art and popular music… at the same time that Atonality and Avant-Garde music were peaking, classic country music was rising. If anything the push back from that craziness created more value for “low-culture” music. If “high-culture” hadn’t turned to shit, who knows where music and popular culture would be today!
I highly doubt Cage and Glass have had much impact on popular music! Maybe if they did, Bebe Rexha would actually be pushing some boundaries lol
CountryKnight
March 15, 2018 @ 7:24 am
I follow Traditional Western Art on Facebook. It is depressing to see how far we have fallen in painting. We went from detailed backgrounds to preschool lines on a canvas.
Modern art is a gag gift wrapped in pretentious wrapping paper.
Jack
March 14, 2018 @ 11:00 am
Everyone seems to be trying to make themselves country these days. Even Kylie Minogue recorded her new album in Nashville and considers it country pop. She’s doing it right though. Yeah she’s incorporated some country elements but she’s retained her dance/pop sound so you can tell she hasn’t switched genres for no reason and is staying true to herself. This is what country artists wanting to push boundaries should be doing (albeit the opposite way around): keeping the core of their music country and incorporating elements of other genres as they see fit to create a new, exciting sound that can appeal to both audiences.
Isaac
March 14, 2018 @ 11:19 am
No lie, I’m weirdly interested in that Minogue album. It’s like she saw the mistakes that Steven Tyler and Cyndi Lauper made and actually learned from them.
albert
March 14, 2018 @ 4:28 pm
I’m not interested in Minogue’s ‘country’ album …weirdly or otherwise , Isaac. Every pop carpetbagger that decides to ‘go country’ takes away money , focus , airplay , exposure , promotional efforts and potential gigs from artists who ARE and who have ALWAYS BEEN country/roots artists and have paid their dues by their commitment to it . I want a coming generation of listeners to appreciate the REAL stuff from the REAL artists ….to understand and respect the dedication of the REAL artists . Minogue is in the same camp as Bebe whatsername in terms of bringing absolutely NO authenticity , experience, or honesty to the genre . Minogue is the absolute LAST person I’d want to see getting the exposure that so many talented , hardworking , committed and deserving REAL country artists should be getting .
Isaac
March 14, 2018 @ 8:00 pm
I…I’m not sure that Minogue is taking gigs away from Mo Pitney…
Isaac
March 14, 2018 @ 11:22 am
One more thing: I don’t know that everyone want to be “country” these days, so much as Nashville is just exploding with talent right now. Within a three mile radius an artist can: cut a song produced by Dan Auerbach, record a vinyl single at Jack White’s Third Man Records, and have their pic taken at the Ryman, and basically insure that they will be covered by 80% of the mainstream music press.
Isaac
March 14, 2018 @ 11:12 am
People were claiming Waylon wasn’t country in 1975…
“So people say [I’m] not country, that I’m trying to be a pop singer. I guess if I’m not country and I’m not a Mongolian aviator, I’m just singing Waylon’s music.”
King Honky Of Crackershire
March 14, 2018 @ 12:20 pm
Saying Waylon isn’t Country is like saying a cheddar cheese biscuit ain’t a biscuit. In reality, it’s a biscuit with a supper time twist.
Saying Bebe Rxehve isn’t Country is like saying bread pudding ain’t a biscuit. Both have flour in them, but have nothing else in common.
Ulysses McCaskill
March 14, 2018 @ 6:33 pm
That quote should be framed Honky. Hit the nail on the head.
Isaac
March 14, 2018 @ 11:14 am
Scott Borchetta on Shania Twain:
“She’s just the current one in a long line of female artists being considered trying to kill country music, but if you go back and read up, Patsy Cline was taking bullets during her time, too. People said she was so poppy-sounding.”
Corncaster
March 14, 2018 @ 11:52 am
People complained about X in the past, so there’s no justification for complaining about X in the present.
(rolls eyes)
Isaac
March 14, 2018 @ 12:08 pm
No, but the complaining sure ain’t new.
Trigger
March 14, 2018 @ 12:42 pm
I consider Scott Borchetta as trying to kill country music.
Mike Honcho
March 14, 2018 @ 3:15 pm
You go gurl!
the pistolero
March 14, 2018 @ 4:41 pm
Well, I mean, beyond “Walkin’ After Midnight,” I wasn’t a big Patsy Cline fan either, mostly because of her slick pop sound.
She was a fine singer, though.
CountryKnight
March 15, 2018 @ 7:25 am
Shania Twain did mortally wound country music.
Isaac
March 14, 2018 @ 11:18 am
And THANK GOD a writer for the MTV Movie Awards is keeping country music safe!
Stringbuzz
March 14, 2018 @ 11:20 am
Hate his music if you may, but Wheeler has a shytload of followers and champions good country music all the time..
Isaac
March 14, 2018 @ 11:23 am
He also MCed Kid Rock’s Weekend Fish Fry this past summer, so he’s got that going for him too.
Trigger
March 14, 2018 @ 12:43 pm
A weird as it is, he’s taking a strange leadership role, including with this issue that you can’t overlook.
Isaac
March 14, 2018 @ 8:02 pm
I can’t overlook his buddy-buddy act with half the stars in Nashville, Kid Rock among them. He’s a comedian, he goes where he’ll get attention.
Tom
March 14, 2018 @ 11:49 am
Exactly what boundaries are being pushed by this song? It’s just a middle-of-the-road piece of fluff.
Corncaster
March 14, 2018 @ 11:53 am
It pushes the boundaries of people who think good fences make good neighbors. Those people are BAD BAD BAD. Kill, pussycat, KILL!
Kanye Twitty
March 14, 2018 @ 12:02 pm
Gotta love Wheeler. His music may not be for everyone, but glad he always calls out the BS like this.
C.H.
March 14, 2018 @ 12:07 pm
Second time commenting here yet again about this particular song/artists. I didn’t keep up with the last thread though.
Meant To Be is straight up pop. Bebe Rexha is a straight up pop artist whose music I like. She doesn’t claim to be “country” nor is she’s claiming MTB is a country track either. The powers that be & radio are taking it on due to FGL being featured on the track. That’s the main reason obviously the success $ is a factor also.
Despite how many feel about FGL they are considered a country duo. I know even that is debatable to some, myself included, but that’s for another thread at another time.
I like MTB but I agree with you all that it’s not remotely country- collab or not. It’s not Bebe’s fault so people shouldn’t insult her (Walker) take your anger out with those that deserve it. However, I think it’s wrong and unfair Bebe is getting all this recognition in country charts. Billboard should re-modify their rules stating that for collabs whichever genre the lead artist belongs that’s the only chart/AirPlay the track will be allowed on. If that change occurs then you would not have Bebe ft FGL (or whomever in the future) getting number 1 on anything labeled country. I like country music although I’m not a purist but what’s happening with this song is ridiculously wrong. Just my opinion 🙂
Digs
March 14, 2018 @ 5:14 pm
I’m not a fan of the song, but i do agree that calling her talentless and calling the song garbage really cheapens the argument wheeler is making.
Jeremy
March 14, 2018 @ 12:45 pm
This pop girl, whoever she is, is hardly the problem at all. Despite its massive success, I’ve never even heard this song once. Nobody is to blame for the pitiful state of modern country music other than the country artists themselves. If they cared at all about preserving anything that resembles country, they would make music that reflected it. They would speak up and demand that the genre not be degraded by outside influences. Very few artists actually do that…so screw them!
Dick Hollopeter
March 14, 2018 @ 3:06 pm
She looks like she’d good in porn. I’d be interested.
King Honky Of Crackershire
March 15, 2018 @ 9:30 am
I don’t watch that filthy stuff anymore, but that is exactly what her face reminds me of.
bitchell
March 14, 2018 @ 3:40 pm
before it was a midtempo song about ‘cruisn’ now its ‘ridin’ with an r&b singer. very sneaky florida georgia line
Isaac
March 14, 2018 @ 8:06 pm
I have to admit, I finally listened to the song today, due to this article; or more to the fact that this is the 37th article about the song that I’ve read here this week. It’s…okay? I mean, I didn’t add it to my “favorites” list or anything, but if it came on the radio, I wouldn’t break my arm to turn the channel or anything either.
There’s a rumor going around that the initials of SCM stand for Snowflaking over Country Music. Any truth to that?
WillWrite4$$$$$
March 14, 2018 @ 9:05 pm
“Snowflaking over Country Music”…..That’s a good one! Funny thing is; here in Nashville most writers I work with have never heard of SCM. Those that have ( like myself) only lurk around for a good laugh. It’s like crying that you are going to take your toys and go home. Meanwhile the world goes on! It’s called the “Music BUSINESS” for a reason you know?
albert
March 14, 2018 @ 11:43 pm
why would anyone be surprised that the writers you refer to only hang around for a ‘good laugh ‘ ?
that seems to be what most of the commercial music business in nashville is about anyway. its certainly not about musical integrity , tradition ….or talent .
Jack Williams
March 15, 2018 @ 5:31 am
Several years ago, I read about how one of the writers of that sippy cup song by Lonestar (can’t be bothered to look up the name of the song) pushed back on criticism of the song from mean country purists by claiming it was a song people today could relate to, and then, referring to Hank Williams’s I’m So Lonesome I Could Cry, said who cares how a “frikkin’ bird sings.” Yes, who cares about poetry in country song lyrics?
Friend of yours?
MH
March 15, 2018 @ 9:11 am
WillWriteFor$$$$$,
If “the world goes on,” why did you stop your world to respond? Who exactly is the snowflake here?
The writers you work with that “have never heard of SCM” are more than likely failed pop, rock, and R&B hopefuls from L.A. who moved their C-list asses to Nashville to make “country” music, yourself and Isaac included. And by “country” music, I mean the pop, rock and R&B music you couldn’t succeed with in The City of Angels.
Corncaster
March 15, 2018 @ 7:24 am
Probably more truth that you started the rumor, Isaac.
Hmm, let’s denigrate distinctiveness and passion as “snowflaking” and (even better) shift the term away from how it’s used now to describe, in polite terms, people with, say, borderline personality disorder …
I’d settle for “Solidifying Country Music.” Keep it real, distinct, and strong. Not this global monogenre diffuse no borders weak sauce bullsh*t.
Jack Williams
March 15, 2018 @ 7:31 am
… or Saving Country Music (from extinction)
Jack Williams
March 15, 2018 @ 7:36 am
37th this week, huh? I count one. Two if we say “within a week.” I mean, hyperbole can be an rhetorical tool, but I think there should have at least been several such articles for that one to really work.
Jack Williams
March 15, 2018 @ 7:37 am
.. an effective rhetorical tool ..
CountryKnight
March 14, 2018 @ 9:03 pm
They always use that pushing the boundaries argument to sound enlightened and progressive.
Unfortunately, idiots always fall for it.
Wyo2dal
March 15, 2018 @ 4:54 am
I can’t believe people are still crying about this. It’s done and over no amount of tears is going to change it. You’re beating a dead horse.
Trigger
March 15, 2018 @ 7:47 am
Every week this song sets a record, the more critical this issue becomes.
liza
March 15, 2018 @ 6:35 am
They aren’t measuring only country listeners. It’s all poppycock.
https://www.rollingstone.com/country/news/how-bebe-rexha-broke-a-country-chart-record-w517327
“To explain it, you have to go back to October 11th, 2012, when Billboard announced changes to methodology for several of its charts, including the long-running Hot Country Songs. From that date forward, instead of compiling only airplay from its panel of 140-or-so reporting radio stations, the chart has factored in data from streaming and digital downloads. But even more than that, the numbers also started to include input from a wider group of radio stations – many of which reside in formats other than country.
Which is why, on the first Hot Country Songs chart after the changes were implemented, Taylor Swift’s crossover hit “We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together” rocketed to Number One despite struggling to maintain a spot in the teens just one week earlier. Meanwhile, on Billboard’s Country Airplay Chart – the title that was given to the old radio-only chart – the song tumbled to Number 36. Following this change, “We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together” set a Hot Country Songs record for the most weeks at Number One by a female performer, passing Connie Smith’s eight-week chart-topper “Once a Day.””
Angelo Rinaldi
March 15, 2018 @ 10:16 am
I think Billboard can’t help but consider the song country if the country stations play it.
It’s all their fault
Mike
March 15, 2018 @ 10:39 am
If you really want to get her riled up, Wheeler, all you have to say to her is “Kosovo is Serbia!!”
Melissa
March 15, 2018 @ 11:31 am
“Meant to Be” is one of the LEAST “boundary pushing” songs I’ve ever heard. It’s boring, flavorless, middle of the road pap. Stop the bullshit. This lazy monogenre stuff is killing artist creativity rather than igniting it.
Nick Brown
March 16, 2018 @ 6:24 pm
Until now I’ve never herd tell of her. She isn’t played on my local country stations at all.
Derek Joists
March 17, 2018 @ 12:07 am
Pleased to see you mention Gangstagrass here, hopefully one day you’ll do a full article on them. I’ve been a fan for a while, and they were amazing when I saw them live a couple of years ago. Rench’s new solo album is also brilliant.
Charles Finley
March 23, 2018 @ 7:46 am
I’ll start by saying that I don’t like this song. But I like music, genre not particularly important. On my spotify playlist you’ll find everything from Johnny Cash, to Imagine Dragons, to Merle Haggard, to Keith Urban and Pitbull’s Collab “Sun Don’t Let Me Down”. I think the latter particularly pertains to this article. Is it “country”? Depends on your definition. Is it Waylon Jennings? Hell no. But it is following the trends of many modern country artists. Brad Paisley has a duet with Demi Lovato. AJ has a song with Jimmy Buffet. And Jennifer Nettles has a song with friggin’ Bon Jovi. But if it’s a good song, what the hell does it matter? So writing multiple articles on whether a song is “country” or not is a waste of time, because there is no accurate definition for “country”.