Bebe Rexha’s Arrogance Should Be Alarming to the Country Industry
It’s now beyond madness, this whole Bebe Rexha situation, and the story of her song “Meant To Be” that has now spent over five consecutive months atop the Hot Country Songs chart. And now this week she lands at #1 on country radio for the first time, and who knows how long she will be there, while “Meant To Be” continues to creep towards shattering even more records on its historic run. And instead of showing humility and gratitude, Bebe Rexha is out there now flaunting her success, lashing out at critics, and acting as if she’s entitled to country’s bounty as the cries at the injustice of what her song is doing are beginning to swell and to become more mainstream.
At this point, it’s fair to start characterizing what is happening with Bebe Rexha and “Meant To Be” as an existential threat to the institution of country music as we know it, and not come across as a hysteric. It’s not just what “Meant To Be” is doing, it’s the precedent it is making for pop artists invading the country space.
Now Bebe Rexha herself is acknowledging this, and sees her success as an opportunity for anyone and everyone in the pop world to make the jump into country without any preparation, any respect for the genre or its traditions, or any recourse from either other artists, radio, Music Row, the CMA, Billboard and other chart publishers, or anyone else. It’s open season as any and all delineation between who or what is pop or country in American music has never been more hard to define.
Bebe Rexha started off a Twitter storm on Thursday afternoon (4-27) first retweeting a previous quote from herself that read, “I want more pop artists to do country collaborations, and I bet that will happen a lot more in the next five to six months. I want to pave the way.”
Then she went on to say, “I truly believe ‘Meant To Be’ paved the way for other artists to jump into country. This is the most fulfilling thing to me more then #1.”
She then went on to say about herself, and not quoting anyone else, “Breaking boundaries. Fearless. Genre Blending.”
This is all from an artist who is exclusively pop, and hasn’t even released her debut album yet. There’s no respect for country in Bebe Rexha. There’s no respect for the process. Bebe Rexha has the record for the longest-charting song by a woman in the 60-year history of Billboard’s Hot Country Songs chart, and she’s giving herself props on Twitter for opening pop’s floodgates towards country.
And this pop invasion isn’t just a hypothesis from Bebe Rexha and others, this is exactly what’s happening. Just this week Billboard posted the headline, “Bebe Rexha Joins P!nk, Demi Lovato & More in Pop Parade Atop Country Airplay Chart.” Keith Urban just released a new record with two new pop collaborations, one of which with Julia Michaels called “Coming Home” is currently climbing the charts. As first reported by Saving Country Music, pop star Camila Cabello just released a remix of her song “Never Be The Same” featuring Kane Brown, with many fearing this is the impetus to bring the song to country radio, and thus, to the country music charts. It’s already being populated on big mainstream country streaming playlists.
Now there is even trouble brewing between pop star Stan groups, with some Bebe Rexha fans accusing Camila Cabello of playing copycat with Bebe Rexha, and declaring Bebe as the current “Queen of Country.” In fact this was the likely impetus for Bebe Rexha addressing the issue on Twitter. And note that if Camila Cabello’s “Never Be The Same” does end up at country, once again it will not be the country artist as the primary performer, but the pop one. And meanwhile there is still not one single solo country female in country radio’s Top 20, and all of the country women in country radio’s Top 40 fell spots this week, partly due to the surge of pop women in “country” collaborations.
Along with the other problems they present, these pop women populating the country charts let country radio programmers off the hook for the lack of women representation on the radio dial, while not developing or supporting any actual country women who’ve devoted their lives and careers to the genre.
At this point, the concern of what is happening on the country charts with pop collaborations is no longer a fringe opinion. You don’t have to be of the mindset that everything in country music must sound like Hank Williams to worry about the integrity and long-term viability of the country music genre and industry if as Bebe Rexha is flaunting on Twitter, pop stars can just “jump in” and find themselves at the top of the charts for historic runs.
Sam Hunt pretending to be a country artist was bad enough, but at least he emerged on Music Row. Very fundamentally, what is happening with these pop stars encroaching into country is the siphoning of dollars away from Nashville and towards the two coasts, while these collaborations are doing nothing more than promoting the pop side of the radio dial.
Someone, anyone, needs to put a foot down and make the very reasonable point that an artist like Bebe Rexha who hasn’t even released a debut album should not be able to dictate the future of country music, and talk down to those showing fair concern about the sonic integrity of the genre.
It’s not Bebe Rexha’s fault that she’s been at #1 on the Hot Country Songs chart for 21 weeks, or any of the other pop stars involved. It’s Billboard’s fault for making this possible through their chart rules, and doing nothing about it when it clearly became an issue. There are a dozen or more country artists who would have been able to proclaim a #1 on Hot Country Songs and used that to promote their music that will now not have that opportunity due to Bebe Rexha’s continuing monopoly at #1.
But now Bebe Rexha feels so confident in her success, she’s flaunting it, and deserves direct scrutiny herself. Do you think Bebe Rexha even knows who George Strait is, let alone Hank Williams or Waylon Jennings?
This madness must end. A reasonable voice with a large audience—even someone such as Luke Bryan or Blake Shelton—should say something, make the country industry take stock of the situation, and hopefully give a long-term assessment of what the industry wants to be moving forward. Does country want to be a genre where pop stars can just “jump in” as Bebe Rexha asserts? Or does it want to dance with the talent the brought it to this point in history as a strong and viable format that represents rural people, and the sounds and stories they share?
April 28, 2018 @ 8:06 am
I understand the need for the story.
The entertainment value alone is worth the read.
Although it doesnt affect my listening choices whatsoever.
Thanks.
April 28, 2018 @ 8:29 pm
To all the peeps that don’t understand the actual meaning of “POP” music, POP=POPULAR!
country,rock,R&B whatever pops up (pun intended)
On the radio & is liked, played over & over, this becoming POP MUSIC.
Did we forget Tim McGraw did a song with Nele!
Get over the genres, just listen to good music & hear a its message!
April 28, 2018 @ 10:59 pm
”just listen to good music & hear a its message!”
you make a point Kasey.but much of this just not ” good music ” and carries NO message .
from FGL to Urban …..this stuff is mostly immature amateurish attempts at even FINDING a message much less delivering it in an interesting manner
May 3, 2018 @ 8:10 am
Kasey, “Pop” has a sound and the fact that pop means popular disappeared long ago. Eminem was “POPULAR” but not pop music. Iron Maiden was “POPULAR” but not pop music.
May 10, 2018 @ 6:59 pm
This new “country” does not even have a meaning. None of the new artist that all themselves country know how to right a song. Osallaboit the trucks, girls, and getting drunk.
April 29, 2018 @ 5:00 am
The writer took great license with Bebe’s Twitter quotes, twisting them for his own purpose and misrepresenting her as arrogant and entitled. Pure grocery-
April 29, 2018 @ 7:22 am
Bullshit. The quotes are verbatim. Anyone can go to Rexha’s feed and see.
April 29, 2018 @ 2:39 pm
Not only did he not do that, but he actually gave her a pass on the factual inaccuracy of her statement (even if you want a more recent example than NSYNC, Kelly Clarkson, Kid Rock or Nelly, Pink and Backstreet Boys both hit #1 at country recently — the Pink-Chesney duet was actually a major hit).
He also let her preposterous comment about Gaga somehow doing country first go unaddressed.
April 29, 2018 @ 5:56 am
You aren’t paving anything you’re not the first non country or hip Hop to collaborate with a country star or duo, I believe Nelly already did that long ago, but it’s your lie tell it how u want
April 28, 2018 @ 8:09 am
More like Booby Rexha.
April 28, 2018 @ 8:49 am
Certainly not Dolly Parton
April 28, 2018 @ 8:25 am
I saw a meme on Farce the Music yesterday about this and thought, “Man, I can’t wait to see what Trigger has to say about this.” I was not disappointed.
I do think there should be more talk about Florida-Georgia Line’s role in all this, though.
April 28, 2018 @ 8:36 am
At this point, Florida Georgia Line are just unwitting pawns in this game, same with Kane Brown and the new Camila Cabello remix. They’re simply warm bodies that allow a pop star to expand their audience and abscond with country radio plays and slither into major streaming country playlists without having to give much of anything back.
April 28, 2018 @ 9:16 am
What exactly is the plan with them anyway? Just be ‘featured’ performers on crappy unknown performers songs in an effort to prop up newcomers? That doesn’t seem like a good career strategy to me.
April 28, 2018 @ 10:26 am
That could be, but I have a difficult time believing they’re playing such a passive role in all this. (Not saying this is what you’re saying, just that is how I am interpreting it.) If I remember correctly, they have gone on record as saying they wanted to do more collaborations with pop performers. And they are given the leeway to do this by the record company because it’s good for business.
April 28, 2018 @ 11:26 am
Yes, they would love to collaborate with Drake. But Bebe Rexha? Her debut album isn’t even scheduled to be out until June. There’s a good chance Florida Georgia Line had never even heard of her when some producer reached out to “collaborate.”
Note that right before FGL signed up with Bebe Rexha, they were losing industry awards left and right to Brothers Osborne (still are), “Smooth” had stalled out outside the Top 10 in the charts, and it looked like they were heading towards irrelevancy due to the distancing from Bro-Country. So what do they do? They hop on the next trend, which is pop stars going country.
April 28, 2018 @ 3:13 pm
I think Bebe needs to go back to the Pop world where she belongs…..and take Flo-Geo with her!
April 28, 2018 @ 4:00 pm
It was supposed to be a collaboration with another artist that backed out last second, rexha offered to jump in and do it and she got a number 1 out of it.
April 28, 2018 @ 9:30 pm
She’s stirring the pot to sell her debut album.
April 28, 2018 @ 6:14 pm
Yes, I dont think Florida-Georgia Line isnt totally country anyways. Their music tends to be on the pop music side. Inviting pop singers to sing with our country artists dilutes our country music authenticity.
April 28, 2018 @ 8:43 am
???????? Albanian girl has turned country music upside down!!
April 28, 2018 @ 8:59 am
Whatever happened to REAL country music? I can’t listen to the crap the industry is spewing out today.
April 29, 2018 @ 3:03 pm
Try listening to James Carothers, Luke Bell, Sarah Shook, Hellbound Glory, Whitey Morgan, Nikki Lane, Margo Price, Rebecca Jed, Lindi Ortega, Sturgill Simpson, & so on.
April 28, 2018 @ 9:13 am
For whatever it’s worth ‘Meant To Be’ ended up being a pretty weak number one at radio. It barely held off Aldean last week and immediately started dropping like a stone. Ridiculous obviously that it made it that far but it clearly didn’t connect with the audience like that stupid Sam Hunt song which lingered for a couple of months after peaking and is still getting plenty of recurrent play.
April 28, 2018 @ 9:22 am
Skanderbeg is disappointed in her.
I can’t stand this arrogant tart.
April 30, 2018 @ 9:12 am
Adem Jashari is ashamed as well!!
April 28, 2018 @ 9:31 am
Country has become c***try. What a disgrace.
April 28, 2018 @ 9:35 am
I’m starting to think all this “genre blending” nonesense talk is more cultural Marxism. One world state, one world currency, one world genre. No more music for a specific culture or people.
April 28, 2018 @ 9:55 am
The monogenre has always been a dream of the music industry because it’s easier and cheaper to market one artist to the entire world than have to cater to specific demographics based on region and taste. Bebe Rexha is an excellent example of this. An Albanian with international interest who is huge in pop and dominating country? Bebe Rexha is the world’s first true monogenre star. What has aided this is the idea that the differences in humans is something that needs to be resolved since it is a bastion for racism, bigotry, etc. Though there is some validity to that concern, ultimately what this effort breeds is the homogenizing of culture. We should be celebrating our differences, take a keen interest in what separates us culturally, and respect people for their unique artistic expressions. Yet here is Bebe Rexha flaunting how she’s helped usher in an era where pop is overriding country. I’ve been warning about this for six months, but her recent tweets really are the point we might be pointing back as the time when a major step was taken in the wrong direction, especially combined with Kane Brown’s collaboration with Camila Cabello, esp. if it’s gets sent to country radio. Just like Billboard’s chart changes in 2012, and the Telecommunications Act of 1996, we might be living through one of those moment where a significant paradigm shift is occurring for the worse.
April 28, 2018 @ 9:35 am
If Luke or Shelton took a stand they win points with us old farts and jackasses but the bigger picture is they alienate their prime fanbase and executives
April 28, 2018 @ 9:56 am
Totally agree. Just look at all the new “Pop” fan base Luke Bryan is gaining by being a judge on American Idol – lots more pop than country singers on that show. He’s not about to disrupt that at this point. Probably the same for Shelton on The Voice.
April 28, 2018 @ 9:59 am
Something is different about this Bebe Rexha business, and especially the tweets she sent out on Thursday. She crossed a red line, and I’m seeing a lot of folks who usually hang on the sidelines in these instances now questioning the wisdom of having an unproven pop star talk down to the country masses, and declare she’s the one wielding the influence. This is also an economic issue, which is why Music Row may, and probably should get involved. Country radio is there to promote country artists, and help prop up country tours and land corporate endorsements and sponsorships. If all that gets switched to supporting pop stars, all the millions invested in the careers of people like Luke Bryan and all the way down become in jeopardy. I don’t want to come across as chicken little, but I do see this as a significant threat to the mainstream country industry, and I think others are beginning to see it that way as well.
April 28, 2018 @ 11:38 am
This is real real serious. Its the ultimate fear of this site’s movement coming true.
April 28, 2018 @ 1:15 pm
I remember everyone cheering at the announcements that Cumulus and iHeartMedia were declaring bankruptcy because they though radio would completely implode and be transformed into something better, or at worst, become completely irrelevant. Neither of those things have happened.
I don’t like the music of Luke Bryan, and I think he’s been bad for country. But if the fight is Luke Bryan vs. Bebe Rexha, my weight gets thrown behind Luke Bryan, no question. It’s not because I like his music. It’s because I still want there t be a cohesive country music genre with a relevant radio format, awards shows, a Hall of Fame, and all the other institutions so at least there’s the possibility true country artists can rise up in the future and be supported, and their efforts and the efforts of past greats will be remembered.
We saw what happened when rock imploded. It’s arguably the reason all guitar-based human-played music is in peril.
April 28, 2018 @ 9:46 am
so there’s this to consider , IMHO .
to paraphrase Groucho Marx ( yeah ….he was a cowboy singer in the 1890’s kids ) , would I want to belong to a club ( genre ) that would have Bebe Rexa as a member ? or FGL ..or Hunt or… Urban ? nope . not on your life BECAUSE then I would have to deal with the finicky fan following that a club like that attracts .that following is not loyal to a particular ‘artist ‘, not versed in the history of the music , and not aware , usually , that there are far better musical options which all boils down , to my mind , in a group that can’t be bothered to care WHICH burger drive-through they stop at . that group wants nursery rhymes and sex appeal . and that’s it .
no SERIOUS musician/writer/singer committed to creating music with a vision and a purpose beyond showing off a woman’s chest or six pack abs wants to be associated with the joke happening in THAT camp. the raping of the genre orders on pornographic .
if you’ve ever attended a bluegrass festival , you’ll get where I’m coming from . Nobody is there to oggle the ‘ meat’ on stage or to hear nursery rhymes . it is a pure love of the genre ….its talented singers , songwriters and, of course , world class musicians which gives that genre its one-of-a-kind vibe and credibility. granted …very few ‘grassers are getting wealthier by the minute through streaming and fake chart assessments …BUT they are staying true to what brought them to music in the first place ….THE MUSIC !!!! and they are making a living the traditional way ….working for it at a job they not only love but is respected , understood and appreciated by, for the most part , lifetime listeners and supporters of the genre .
so yeah ….popular country has crossed a line ….shit they’ve LEAPED way past whatever line existed right into another county ……but maybe …just maybe they will take the mindless minions that non-descript science-fiction genre has targeted and leave a vacuum in its place . a vacuum which just may be filled be something other …..something REAL driven by passion, authenticity and an enlightenment which restores some sense of balance and intelligence to the equation .
with a little time and patience the pendulum always swings .
July 27, 2018 @ 4:12 pm
I only discovered who BeBe was 15 minutes ago, and came across this article. I’ve never been a country fan, really not at all, and after reading the article, thought ‘WHAT is the big deal, WHO cares?’. But, after reading MANY of the very well stated and thoughtful comments, I’m leaning towards your point of view quite strongly. Her twitter comments were ignorant at minimim, and I’m starting to really see the inherent issues the country industry is facing here. What kinds of things, specifically, would need to transpire to keep these genres and those who truly aspire to and devote lives to their artistry, keep thriving, and not falling prey to a massively homogeneous, unidentifiable outpouring of pop stars claiming to be something they are not, and in doing so, reducing and jeopardizing those who are purely country? I’m not sure why, but I’m finding myself suddenly quite intrigued by this plight. Thank you for any clarification or answers you might provide.
April 28, 2018 @ 10:09 am
This cracks me up. A hilarious irony.
A. Country music sucks, because it became pop music years ago.
B. They have a country rap thing now, so ummmmmm. If that didn’t hurt the integrity of country music then nothing will.
C. My god country music and it’s whole industry are backwoods god fearing assholes. Perfect example, ridding themselves of the Dixie Chicks, because they used their freedom of speech rights
April 29, 2018 @ 6:08 pm
What are you ranting about? Please consult a grammar book.
May 3, 2018 @ 6:18 pm
A) and B) is exactly what people here and elsewhere have been working against for a while.
As for C) I don’t feel strongly about them either way. But people are equally as free to stop supporting a band as that band is able to freely express their political views.
Bad comment.
April 28, 2018 @ 10:24 am
At this point I read SCM because, in a weird way, I respect Kyle’s obsessions. I think it’s obvious that there are substantial musical reasons to question modern country and to criticize its process. My problem, and quite frankly this is a problem I share with many other writers and thoughtful listeners I know who read SCM, is Kyle’s insistence that a pop genre will somehow police itself and weed out “bad influences” in the manner of some Jesuit boarding school. Kyle, how would this happen, and who would do it? You keep harping on how the industry doesn’t support the artists who come up “honestly” (by your standards, that is), as if this is a baseball team with AA farm teams that develop the talent for the big leagues. This is a myopic view of country music and of its history. It doesn’t work that way. You can be a farm-team performer and not be very good and you can be a self-styled quasi-country artist, or just a singer who wants to hit the charts, and be good. The lines you keep drawing don’t exist. You’re conveying a badge of authenticity in a way that’s not authentic itself. Americana–the vast array of quasi-folk, quasi-country performers I write about every week for my gig, from Lydia Loveless (who likes punk rock! what a sin!) or the Weather Station (sounds like Joni Mitchell! not country!) or even old hands like Beth Neilsen Chapman and Mary Chapin Carpenter (singer-songwriters! they didn’t come up in the rodeo circuit!) and Sam Morrow (sounds like Lowell George, watch out for that cocaine!), to Caroline Spence, Courtney Marie Andrews, Jillette Johnson, and into near infinity–has done exactly what you think needs to be done and isn’t being done. It’s created an alternate, *quasi-country* space in which there can be “musical values” (time-honored song forms, acoustic guitars, “sincerity” and “roots”) that are defensible in the safe, suburban, and I must say, having read you for years, rather *frightened* mode you seem to favor.I know you know this stuff! Yet you continue to flog this tired horse of “these people are interlopers! anyone who goes pop and isn’t ashamed of it is destroying the vital art of the American workin’ people, destroying *rural* values.” You and I talked about this on the phone, and I got the sense that you aren’t really making distinctions between rural and rural suburban, the latter being in my opinion the real space in which country music happens. If you want people to be humble, devoted servants of the country muse, I just don’t know how or where you get that idea and why you think it’s a realistic or substantive criticism. You underestimate rural people,not to mention the intelligence of those of us who’ve thought about these issues for years, when you continue to write things like the last sentence of the above review.
April 28, 2018 @ 11:52 am
Edd,
Once again you’re over-intellectualizing a very basic and understandable argument, imprinting what you believe are my personal underlying values on a rather universal and easily-understandable stance, and conflating this issue with Americana for reasons I cannot comprehend because it is completely irrelevant to the argument. Even Margo Price is out there right now calling Bebe Rexha out for her arrogance and caustic, aggressive language about country. This is no longer the opinion of some puritanistic, niche mindset obsessed with upholding America’s conservative values as you have completely falsely misunderstood my philosophy to be due to your own unwillingness to listen and understand. You now have pop country performers singed to major labels like Leah Turner, industry number crunchers, and people who usually say, “Hey, it’s all just music. Why focus on the negative?” coming out of the woodwork to say enough is enough with Bebe Rexha. The concern over “Meat To Be” has gone mainstream, and widespread, and it’s very specifically due to the arrogance she is displaying which is against EVERYONE’S definition of what country music should be. If you think I’m taking a niche or even unique stance here, you’ve got your head in the sand.
And I appreciate your anthropological study of myself and this website as if I’m the leader of some pygmy tribe you’re trying to understand for a dissertation in National Geographic, but frankly, I don’t give a shit what other journalists in the increasingly echo-chambered “roots” media inside the Nashville beltway think about me. They’re so busy composing think pieces, with the primary purpose of impressing their colleagues, they have created a new cottage industry for themselves, part of which revolves around shitting on me. And I could never be more proud.
April 28, 2018 @ 12:44 pm
Trigger,
At this point I feel like any past aggression I showed you is water under the bridge. I may not have agreed with you on ONE issue but as goofy as this may sound, all of us who give a shit about saving country music HAVE to be on the same team.
No doubt some people who may read what I say here will think this sounds like I need to wear a tin foil hat, but this is an out in the open attack on our culture and country music as an institution. I see this as no different than what is happening to our actual country right now.
This has been happening for a long time, but now there is no hidden agenda, there is a completely open agenda. The same people that support open borders are the same people who would like for there to be no clear genre lines. Too many artists are afraid to say what they really think out of fear of career suicide, but without that happening I’m not sure that we can actually save country music.
Your intentions have been noble. I wish that more would have taken the threats seriously but there are a lot of cowards. It isn’t like anyone is taking an actual bullet here but “Who’s Gonna Fill Their Shoes” sure does remind me of what I consider to be an obligation.
April 30, 2018 @ 5:32 am
THIS!!! —> “….this is an out in the open attack on our culture and country music as an institution.” JD, ya hit the nail on the proverbial head right there in that one statement. To me, that is a succinct summation of Trigger’s article.
May 3, 2018 @ 6:22 pm
Yup. Time for every country fan to display a sense of unity. As much as we can disagree on politics, religion, money, traffic, and everything else, now is the time to put those squabbles aside.
Come together to save country music and the greater rural culture that the execs are seeking to destroy.
April 28, 2018 @ 2:03 pm
“Kyle’s insistence that a pop genre will somehow police itself and weed out ‘bad influences’ in the manner of some Jesuit boarding school. Kyle, how would this happen, and who would do it?”
Kyle, I haven’t heard you suggest anything of the kind. I’ve only heard you recommend that the unreasonable way Billboard calculates the popularity of a song be changed to something reasonable. You’ve been clear about “threats” because there are indeed threats. Country music is a kind of extended family where the pace of change is slow enough for generations to maintain their family resemblance. Or imagine it as a large garden: you’ve got some selection and cross-pollinating going on, but it’s a bounded space.
Into this comes the “Bebe Rexha”s of the global commercial interests. They want you to think your garden is “small.” They want you to think its varieties are “stale.” They want you to buy their new and improved GMO varieties. Like supermarket tomatoes, those varieties actually taste bland — because they’re designed to! Look a “Bebe Rexha”‘s Twitter presence: there’s “Bebe Rexha Brasil,” and “Bebe Rexha Italia,” etc., &c., ad nauseam. “Her” music is deliberately bland because, like the tasteless tomato, it’s designed for global shipping conditions.
And then they have the gall to tell you that this crap tastes just fine! In fact, it’s better than the tomatoes on your own farm!
I call bullshit on the whole thing. And bullshit on everyone who promotes it as somehow “progressive” and “forward-thinking.”
It’s a pack of lies.
April 29, 2018 @ 8:30 am
I agree with there being ‘threats’. I love this site but it is a bit inconsistent regarding the ‘threats’. Anything overly urban/pop/industry gets called out rightfully but a whole bunch of punk/metal/indie etc get a pass. They are just as alien to country music as the others and a ‘threat’ to the music but no one seems to mind. Regardless of ones opinion of said genres or styles they are clearly far far from country. Its like the bon jovi’s of the arena era deciding that they are cowboys all of a sudden due to some terse over-intellectualization that makes em believe what they do has any connection or relevance to country music or the culture. Hank iiI is clearly one of the worst offenders but this site was pretty much a Hank iii fan club in the early days so I imagine some of that myopia regarding pink-country crossover has carried over into the present and largely gone unchecked. Obviously its not as visible as pop music but still a threat to the genre nontheless especially since it seems to be supported by many of the anti-pop crowd.
April 29, 2018 @ 10:01 am
I can’t express the massive, massive, other-worldly difference between Hank3 cutting a cover of one of his own songs with some death metal band for a tribute CD meant for an incredibly niche audience, and a pop star who hasn’t even released a debut record now holding the record for the most consecutive weeks at #1 for a woman on a 60-year-old country chart, oh, and then taking to Twitter to chide anyone who may have a problem with it, and warn more is on the way. The difference is apples and interstellar planets. And have you seen me “praising” Hank3’s new metal version of “Country Heroes” here? No, because it’s not country, and I have no clue how to critique metal. But his involvement in the project did make for an interesting news story since folks are worried where Hank3 has been for so long, and it would be a dereliction of duty not to cover it.
April 29, 2018 @ 10:31 am
Sorry Trig but thats a bit of a strawman and you know it 100%. I wasnt aware of the cover but was referencing the entirety of his schtick. Pop interlopers and punk interlopers are just that – interlopers. THe fact you made a huge strawman out of what I SAId kinda shows you are aware of and on the defensive regarding the fact you do give a large group of interlopers who threaten country music a pass. Historically pop has more in common with country than pumk rock but pop seems to ne the main dirty word. Nothin personal it is just a glaring contradiction ive noticed over the years.
April 29, 2018 @ 12:22 pm
Okay well I apologize if this wasn’t in reference to the cover song Hank3 JUST released after doing basically nothing for the last four years, and me not really covering him over that time either. I totally agree it can a double standard that if you criticize people mixing pop and country, but praise country and metal for example. But the implications here couldn’t be more different. Hank3 has never been relevant on mainstream country radio or the charts. I’ve also never heard Hank3 say he wants to be the catalyst for metal bands to invade mainstream country. In fact for all his forays into metal, he’s often outspoken about the importance of doing country music “the right way” and paying dues, like going on the Marty Stuart Show, or singing his grandfather’s tunes.
April 28, 2018 @ 6:17 pm
It comes down to basics and identifiers within the genre. People who are outsiders looking in and what they convey country music to be. Here’s 4 songs they think of.
Billy ray Cyrus “achy breaky heart”
Garth “friends in low places”
Kenny Chesney “she thinks my tractors sexy”
Rascal flatts “when you play a country song backwards” or whatever it’s called.
When they think this song is country music it angers me. This is their identity of the genre currently and what they believe it to be. Do you want that? I certainly don’t.
July 27, 2018 @ 4:31 pm
Just as someone who is the furthest thing from a country fan, let me tell you the main/best country songs/artists I think of, because those on your list all disgust me beyond belief. One; Jolene (I prefer Dolly’s). Two; Pretty much anything Willie Nelson. Three; Johnny Cash (older stuff); and Anything by Tammy Wynett (sp) or Patsy Cline. I’m simply curious if that list, coming from a 43 year old female who LOVES metal, but classic rock above most (Pink Floyd and Zeppelin being my 2 FAVORITES), I despise most current artists, but adore (some) Christina Aguilera and LOVE Twenty One Pilots, would be a more acceptable list of artists/songs for a complete outsider to mainly recognize as true country? Thanks in advance for any clarification or time given considering my question.
April 28, 2018 @ 10:25 am
She had this hit, but I don’t think she’ll have another one. She released a good number of singles before Meant To Be, and all of them failed. I think the success of this song is more because of FGL: without them she won’t have another hit in country music, and maybe not even in pop.
She needs to disappear.
April 28, 2018 @ 12:46 pm
I hope you are right.
April 28, 2018 @ 10:28 am
Plastic t*ts, plastic music, marketed to plastic souls. Seeing Sarah Shook tonight should be able to, at least for this guy, make everything alright.
April 30, 2018 @ 6:06 am
Just got her album this weekend, it’s tremendous. Sarah is real, and her music has character, truth and passion in it.
Bebe is a manufactured industry robot. Nuff said.
April 28, 2018 @ 10:37 am
Also, while I am thinking about it, it’s more than a little bit disingenuous for Bebe Rexha to be taking this line now, considering that she was getting all defensive in response to Wheeler Walker Jr’s tweets, and claiming that she never considered herself country in the first place. I mean, are you gonna claim to not be country, or are you going to be honoooored at paving the way for more of this? I mean, you can’t have both.
April 28, 2018 @ 10:47 am
I like Trigger’s point about influential voices, like Luke and Blake, stepping up. There is such a dearth of leadership in the format. I don’t know all the reasons why. Everyone just seems so afraid to appear like a big meanie and would rather virtue signal their acceptance and openness of mind.
I surely hope there is a groundswell building — of people like use who are fed-up with it all. Nashville is quickly heading toward its own self-destruction as a unique place in the American cultural landscape. Just another big city. How long can the CMA, Hall of Fame, Opry, etc., hold off this self-surrender? There have already been too many compromises.
April 28, 2018 @ 11:32 am
There have been NUMEROUS artists that have stepped up and criticized these tweets from Bebe Rexha, including Margo Price, Sarah Morgan, Leah Turner, and others. And these are usually artists that would stay on the sidelines of such issues. Having Bebe Rexha #1 knocks every other country artist down a notch, including Luke Bryan and Blake Shelton. A line was crossed here by Bebe, and it can’t go unaddressed.
April 28, 2018 @ 12:14 pm
That’s good to know about those artists stepping up. I was thinking solely of the big mainstream names.
April 28, 2018 @ 1:40 pm
I think that’s the nicest thing you’ve ever said about Margo, Trigger! 😉
April 30, 2018 @ 6:53 am
I think the nicest thing he’s ever said about Margo Price is that she’s great live, which is certainly true.
April 28, 2018 @ 10:48 am
I dont know her or her song, but what really bugs me is I cant figure out how to say her name. Is bb? Or something else?
April 28, 2018 @ 12:22 pm
“Booby” works for me.
April 28, 2018 @ 11:30 am
Apart from being very corrosive to the country music world (which goes without saying, though it probably shouldn’t), these recent “collaborations” (FGL/Bebe Rexha; Camila Cabello; Kane Brown) really don’t make a whole hell of a lot of sense artistically; and regardless of whether you think they are country, or pop, or neither, they’re being done for the crassest of commercial reasons. And Rexha’s claim to “breaking boundaries; fearless; genre-blending” doesn’t pass the laugh test either when it comes strictly to female artists in country and pop (has she ever heard of Linda Ronstadt?!)
When it’s done right, like with the Dolly Parton/Emmylou Harris/Linda Ronstadt TRIO collection, or the collaboration between Buck Owens and Ringo Starr on “Act Naturally”, these country/pop crossover collaborations can result in some pretty memorable music. In those two cases, however, the artists in question not only knew each other and about one another’s careers, they truly loved what they were doing, and had no overt concern for whether what they were doing would be a “hit”.
You don’t have that with FGL/Bebe Rexha, and you won’t get that either from Camila Cabello/Kane Brown. That it does damage to country music in the short term to have these half-a**ed pop/country pairings on country radio is just one part of the problem. It’s the fact that they’re being done for both crass commercialism and as cheap attention-getting stunts that will do longer-lasting and far more corrosive damage to both country AND pop (IMHO).
April 28, 2018 @ 1:50 pm
has she ever heard of Linda Ronstadt?
I’m going to go with no.
Spot-on as always, Mr. North.
April 28, 2018 @ 11:31 am
This article is upsetting. She thanks her fans and everyone apart of the success of this song. She worked hard for this fame. And why shouldn’t country and other genres mix? It might get more people’s listening to country music. The reason different artists mix with different genres is so it reaches a bigger fan base. I don’t understand why it’s such a big deal she wants others to collaborate with them. It would only make country music bigger. I’m just saying.
April 28, 2018 @ 12:04 pm
It’s all about the perspective. She’s urging other pop stars to exploit the opportunity within country, rather than urging pop listeners to explore the best corners of the genre.
If she had said, “I’m from New York City. Growing up, you’ll always hear people say stuff like ‘I love all music…except country.’ It bothers me, because there’s so much great music in the genre, and I hope my song inspires people to check it out,” you’d see far less complaints.
If she had said, “If you liked hearing the female-led Meant To Be on the radio, request more Kacey Musgraves or Caitlyn Smith,” you’d see far less complaints.
Instead, she’s telling other pop stars to send non-country songs to country radio. That’s A) gross, because it reflects a crude reverence for commerciality rather than artistic integrity and B) calling for the further dilution of the genre.
April 28, 2018 @ 12:31 pm
this .
well said
“It’s all about the perspective. She’s urging other pop stars to exploit the opportunity within country, rather than urging pop listeners to explore the best corners of the genre.”
April 28, 2018 @ 2:06 pm
And why shouldn’t country and other genres mix? It might get more people’s listening to country music.
Ah, yes, the old “gateway drug” theory.
In a word, NO.
Saying Bebe Rexha is going to get more people listening to country music is like saying vegetarian burgers will get people eating more Texas brisket. That only works in the sense that people are going to hear this processed pop bullshit and keep searching for music with more substance to it. I would bet you money that Ke$ha’s cover of “Old Flames Can’t Hold A Candle To You” has brought more people to actual country music than FGL and Bebe Rexha have.
April 29, 2018 @ 10:02 am
The author enjoys being a separatist. I find the entire tone defending country music and not allowing this Artist to be herself because of how she started out. Prejudice is appauling.
January 27, 2019 @ 10:17 pm
>>> And why shouldn’t country and other genres mix?
There’s nothing wrong with country and other genres mixing. But don’t call the new genre “country” because it isn’t “country”.
After all, that’s how rock & roll music started. Mostly a combination of country music and rhythm & blues music. with some boogie woogie and westeren swing mixed in also.
But don’t call The Beatles “Yellow Submarine, Nowhere Man, The Ballad of John & Ono” “country music”, The Carpenters “(On Top of The World”, “country music”, or Sonny & Cher ‘s And The Beat Goes On “country music” or Rick Dees “Disco Duck” “country music”.. Don’t call any of those rhythm & blues either. And indeed, they weren’t ever called that iirc.
I like those songs, but they don’t sound like country music to me. And I don’t consider them to be country music. I like both rock & roll music and country music.
April 28, 2018 @ 11:39 am
Collaborations from different music has been around before this song so she didn’t pave the way n what does it matter if its country or pop of it’s good music listen to it
April 28, 2018 @ 3:41 pm
“What does it matter if its country or pop if it’s good music listen to it”
Because we’re talking about a song on country radio and country streaming playlists.
You’re absolutely right that people should be open to music from all genres. They should never refuse to consider listening to a song because the artist is pop, rock, rap, classical, country, etc.
But when people listen to country radio, they have every right to expect to only hear country songs.
That’s the issue here. It’s not “a song can only be good if it’s country.” It’s “a song should only be on country radio if it’s country.”
January 27, 2019 @ 10:29 pm
>>>Collaborations from different music has been around before this song so she didn’t pave the way n what does it matter if its country or pop of it’s good music listen to it
Exactly. Rock & Roll, the popular music of the latter 1950’s, 1960’s, 1970’s, and 1980’s itsef is a combination of country music and rhythm and blues music boogie woogie music, western swing music, etcetera and those call combined way way way before Bebe Rexha was even born.
And even most of those genres are combinations of even older genres. All way way way before Bebe Rexha was even born.
So she definitely did NOT pave the way for genre mixing in music. And she certainly definitely definitely did NOT pave the way for country music mixing with other genres of music.
April 28, 2018 @ 11:53 am
There’s two reasons she has a record deal to begin with. Neither is at all related to her music. Her voice is pleasant at most.
April 28, 2018 @ 11:54 am
This article just proves all country people do is whine and complain. Maybe if she lost a trailer and a dog in the song itd make you happy
April 28, 2018 @ 12:36 pm
That’s not all we do. Sometimes we drink moonshine and drive our trucks thru the mud while listening to Hank. 🙂
April 28, 2018 @ 4:14 pm
I mostly just cry a tear in my beer and wish I was in Amarillo or Galveston.
April 28, 2018 @ 7:26 pm
I wanna go home to the armadillo ….
April 28, 2018 @ 8:08 pm
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene…
April 28, 2018 @ 8:54 pm
Don’t forget Lubbock. Mac Davis is criminally underrated and ‘Texas In My Rear View Mirror’ is a great ode to appreciating one’s roots. Great song.
May 3, 2018 @ 6:26 pm
Fort worth does occasionally cross my mind 🙂
April 28, 2018 @ 12:10 pm
Just curious Trigger, have you heard what’s coming down the pipe from some of the newer artists. Its bad. Its worse than bad. Its a different genre bad.
April 28, 2018 @ 12:13 pm
Forget the history. Forget the tradition. Forget about paying your dues. Yes, I know it’s supposed to be the same everywhere. No, it’s not. First and foremost, though. Can you make a pile of money for your record label? That’s all that counts.
April 28, 2018 @ 12:16 pm
The most ironic thing about all this is that Bebe, herself, isn’t “‘jumping into country.” Meant To Be is Bebe Rexha’s first real hit (within her own discography), so you’d think she would make more music in this vein.
Nope. Her most recent release “Ferrari” sounds like the stuff she was making years ago that nobody wanted. With that same unappealing, goat-like vibrato from her earlier work.
Granted, you could say that’s good news. Maybe she’s not going to pretend she’s a “country star” and release every single she makes to country radio.
But that also makes the motivation of her Tweet even clearer. She’s not urging pop artists to seriously acquaint themselves with the genre and make legitimate country music. She’s urging them to exploit country radio as a “get rich quick” scheme.
April 28, 2018 @ 12:40 pm
Just heard this for the first time. If this is country music now a days, it’s pretty embarrassing.
April 28, 2018 @ 1:14 pm
I need to Write a song about this…
April 28, 2018 @ 1:33 pm
lmao, pre-order info, please…
I’m not going to say Bebe is a whore, but now that she’s fucked country music
could someone please pay her to go on and leave?
April 30, 2018 @ 5:40 am
Darci – Please do! I’d love to hear your treatment in song. Cheers and Twangs!!
April 28, 2018 @ 1:53 pm
I don’t think pop needs to be in country
April 28, 2018 @ 1:56 pm
Bebe Rexha is trash. So she can get a huge hit, but Ashley Monroe, Kacey Musgraves, Brandy Clark, Aubrie Sellers, Mickey Guyton, among others can’t? Makes a lot of sense. NOT.
April 28, 2018 @ 2:19 pm
Is this imposter really the one to blame, when it is the so-called fans of country, who have put her in the position she finds herself in?
If country fans did not like what she has done, then she would not have achieved the success she has. If the fans of True Country actually care about the future of country, then perhaps they should put the brakes on the likes of this woman. Otherwise, they have no one to blame, but themselves.
April 28, 2018 @ 3:35 pm
Trigger covered this.
She’s not to blame for the success of the song. She’s to blame for using the success she achieved from the song to promote the further dilution of country music, rather than to garner more respect from the genre.
Like I wrote earlier, if she directed the people who bought Meant To Be to check out REAL country artists — there’d be less resent about what happened with this song.
April 28, 2018 @ 3:36 pm
More respect for*
April 28, 2018 @ 4:13 pm
To direct people to real country acts she’d have to know who those were. LOL!
But she first stated she was no country. Then did a 180 soooo… I would trust her to know a saxophone from tuba.
January 28, 2019 @ 10:31 am
Billboard charts sales of albums, and songs.
If a song is being downloaded by millions of people, then it charts higher, on the Billboard top 100.
This data is used to build play lists for contemporary radio stations.
Ergo, the FANS, who move the sales of songs they purchase/download, are the primary reason that these types of songs get airplay.
Billboard doesn’t exist in a vacuum. They respond to the public’s opinion, and react accordingly.
January 27, 2019 @ 10:48 pm
>>>Is this imposter really the one to blame, when it is the so-called fans of country, who have put her in the position she finds herself in?
No, she’s not to blame for the song being a success. And no, the country music fans are NOT to blame for the success of the song.
Billboard is to blame for the success of the song because some years ago, they changed their rules so that non-country songs never played on country radio and never bought by the country music audience could now chart on the country music charts and the country radio airplay charts.
April 28, 2018 @ 2:26 pm
In 1974 Jean Shepard raised Hell because Olivia Newton John was not only dominating the charts, she was also cleaning up at the awards shows. Jean was the widow of Hawkshaw Hawkins who along with Cowboy Copus died in the same plane crash that killed Patsy Cline in March of 1963.
Much like you are fussing today Jean complained bitterly that ONJ was an established pop singer.
Kitty Wells changed the music.
Patsy Cline changed the music.
Loretta Lynn changed the music.
Dolly Parton changed the music.
Shania Twain changed the music.
Taylor Swift changed the music.
So have countless others.
The complaining of the loss of “real country” has been going on since the Bristol Sessions to varying degrees. The point those who complain miss is that Country Music has always been a BUSINESS.
Country Music has no moral responsibility to anyone or anything. It like all businesses responds to the money it makes. Nothing more or less.
I gave up on Country radio 25 years ago. I despise the new stuff. However I do not expect a company to make music for me. Time marches on…
I didn’t agree with Jean Shepard in 1974 and I do not agree with your position now. Let it go…
April 28, 2018 @ 2:39 pm
No.
April 28, 2018 @ 3:40 pm
Your position is foolish. Your argument is foolish. No matter how many times you claim to be righteously indignant, you are suggesting private businesses behave according to your standards. Grow up Buttercup. The music INDUSTRY does not owe you a damn thing. Your petulance is boring.
April 28, 2018 @ 4:11 pm
You know country music is the only genre I can think of the regularly rails against what it’s own genre is doing and how it is straying from the core of what it should be.
The industry certainly care more about dollars than actual music. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to stop bitching about it because I think it should be about the art and the craft not some bloated record execs getting more money from a sleazy contract they got some naive hopeful to sign.
Thankfully the internet has opened up the industry so people can make music more on their own terms. Sadly though is has allowed some real shite to get through because a certain performer was cute and all the girls swooned and so yeah, let’s get him some cliche songs and sell him like a piece of meat because girls will buy it.
Image has always been a part music. But today you CANNOT be popular and on the charts unless you are attractive by the standards of the day first and talented second.
April 28, 2018 @ 4:50 pm
Jeffie,
Can you provide a quote where Trigger, or anyone on this site, has stated that the music industry owes them anything?
I can’t recall that position ever being taken on this website.
April 28, 2018 @ 7:45 pm
There is no reason to believe Bebe Rexha is filling an appetite for country listeners, or that the market decided she is who they wanted to hear. She was gerrymandered on massive playlists on Spotify and Red Music on YouTube via payola to create the facade of appeal, and then promoted with a 7-figure campaign to country radio. Who people want to hear is Chris Stapleton, because they’re actually out there actively seeking out his music and buying it, despite being virtually ignored by the industry.
April 29, 2018 @ 2:03 pm
Unfortunately it’s not that easy. I agree that this song has not deserved to achieve the status it has today, but the numbers speak different. ‘Meant to Be’ leads on all consumption based charts heads and shoulders above any Stapleton song, which means people are listening, streaming and buying it.
Now by your assumption all (or the majority) of them are from a pop audience. Which brings your logic full circle, that country is wiped out by pop.
However that leaves open the question who those country listeners then actually are?
Are they the ones who typically listen to country radio because they like to hear Luke, Sam and Blake (to name some, who again dominate consumption based charts) or are they the ones, who no longer listen to country radio anyways?
Since the latter do not represent enough of a market, the song obviously does already fulfill the appetite of (also the majority of) country listeners.
April 29, 2018 @ 2:06 pm
Not saying there isn’t some appeal for the song now, but the way “Meant To Be” came to power was a complete manipulation of the streaming system and price points. Here’s a deep dive about it if you’re interested:
https://savingcountrymusic.com/price-points-playlist-manipulations-how-babe-rexha-gamed-the-system-to-go-1-in-country/
May 2, 2018 @ 2:00 pm
Mr. Jefferey Michael:
Never.
We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in Nashville, we shall fight on CMT and GAC, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength on the internet, we shall defend our country music, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the request lines, we shall fight on the radio stations, we shall fight in the cornfields and on the lakes, we shall fight in the concert halls; we shall never surrender…
April 28, 2018 @ 2:51 pm
The question is what kind of change!
April 28, 2018 @ 4:50 pm
Taylor Swift helped start the decline of country music. They looked at her as the “next Tanya Tucker”, because, like Tanya was when she got in the business, Taylor was young. What’s on the radio now is a result of that. There is very little country being played now. Ask a 20-something kid who George Jones, Merle, Waylon or Gene are and they look at you like you have 7 heads. Thank God for iheartradio, where you can still hear real country.
May 3, 2018 @ 10:20 am
The difference is that Jean Shepherd was delusional with regard to Olivia Newton-John being an “established pop singer”. ONJ hadn’t cracked the top 20 on the US pop charts prior to scoring big on the country side with songs like “Let Me Be There” and “If You Love Me (Let Me Know)” which were as country as anything on the radio at the time. With all due respect to Ms. Shepherd, it seems pretty clear that her comments were in defense of the Country Music Establishment, not the music itself.
April 28, 2018 @ 2:41 pm
Country music isn’t country music anymore… So, to have a pop artist leak over into the country genre is just a pop artist partnering with other pop artists to make pop music under the guise that it will be country.
April 28, 2018 @ 2:56 pm
And are we talking like FGL is good country???
They are also arrogant pricks for calling themselves country. Bebe Hexha is at least better than they are…
April 28, 2018 @ 3:04 pm
Kick. All. The. Pop. Acts. Outta. Country start with. Rascal. Flatts
April 28, 2018 @ 3:17 pm
this discussion and so many others initiated by SCM when it comes to this ‘crossover’ stuff comes down to one word : AUTHENTICITY .
do Cyndi Lauper , Steven Tyler , Sheryl Crow , the ‘ Man Of The Woods ” and other pop stars have a country music following since jumping on the ” Gone Country ” bandwagon ? Did Jessica Simpson, Jewel or ( your fave pop star who tried on ‘country ‘ here ) have country music followings ? will Bebe Wrecksit have one ?. The answer to the above , of course , is NO ! Because all of these ‘COUNTRY’ wannabes lack the most important ingredient when it comes to long term fan support in a REAL country market …AUTHENTICITY !
sure ….you can dupe the uninitiated , the pop fan who may be curious for a cut or two , the dj’s forced to play this fake stuff X number of times a day for a week . sure ……they’ll support this ‘country’ music ……cuz it doesn’t sound like country music . BUT the folks who know the difference can smell it for what it is ….a desperate marketing attempt missing any semblance of AUTHENTICITY and often going out of its way to mimic it by turning up the twang , referencing a legend , copying the last fake country single, opening for another fake act or the like .
Pop fans could care less about AUTHENTICITY . REAL country fans know that this is the glue that holds it all together and creates a career for a REAL country act . POP acts trying to go country demonstrate again and again that AUTHENTICITY is conspicuous in its absence .
April 28, 2018 @ 3:21 pm
Keep crusading for more women in Country Music! We need more Swifty, Shania, Crystal, Barbara, Olivia, and Bebe if we want to keep Country traditional.
April 28, 2018 @ 7:47 pm
For every pop star they put on country radio, that very directly one less country woman the put on country radio. I’ve been “crusading” for the exact opposite, including in this very article.
April 28, 2018 @ 3:43 pm
I think it’s way past time for some reclassification, like what was done with rock music. Heavy Metal, Alternative, etc. I like a lot of sample based and drum machine music, but I love traditional country music for its human feel, soul, history, and honesty. They can mix, fine (you can’t – or in my opinion – also shouldn’t stop genres from mixing), but make a new genre for it, not country. If we put machine-made or over produced pop country into a new genre that is not country, pop stars, by default, could succeed in that genre, but in the genre of human produced and more organic music (Country), they would not even consider trying. The problem is that mainstream bro-pop-country music has become more and more synthetic, machine made, and superficial by the day, leaving this door WIDE OPEN to pop stars. Luke Bryan or whoever have no way to save us, when they themselves, are responsible. With the world becoming smaller and smaller with technology, preserving some genres is going to take people continuing to fight, but it will also take the public waking up and appreciating human “handmade” music.
April 28, 2018 @ 4:04 pm
The problem is we already have a genre for that it is called pop. Lipstick on a pig and all.
Bebe Thexa counldn’t cut in the pop world just like Brantley Gilbert and FGL so they called their shit country because it was an easier way to rack up awards and break records. But at the end of the day it is all pop the mono-gnere is hear we are just now in the phasing of mourning the death of mainstream country, rock, hip-hp, blues etc and what they used to be and mean. We will go through the grieving process and if anything come up with new genres for what used to be called country and get as far away from these tainted old labels as possible.
April 28, 2018 @ 3:53 pm
Since Country music has gone so far to Pop and very liberal minded.. I have dropped them. Not Country anymore.. So sad.. Mixed up like the rest of this country..
April 30, 2018 @ 7:56 am
I don’t know. A lot of us liberals dearly love and perform real country music.
April 28, 2018 @ 3:59 pm
I love country music. From classic, to traditional, to modern. However, country music now, is not country. It has not been pure country for years. The sound, the look, the show, the crowd. I wouldn’t call what is on the radio nowadays COUNTRY MUSIC. I still like it, but it’s not country. Country is fading rapidly and it’s sad. Singers have to confirm to appease the new era of people who like electric instruments, upbeat sound, synthetic voices, showy clothes, and lots of sex appeal. Just because you have southern twang in your voice, does not make your music country.
Bebe rexa is not paving the way for pop to invade country music. That credit goes to Shania Twain. That road has been going on for years now.
April 28, 2018 @ 5:19 pm
One could make the same argument about Dolly Parton doing disco in 1978 and releasing undeniably AC synth-pop songs to the country format in the ’80s (“Think About Love”), or Kenny Rogers collaborating with Lionel Richie, or Dolly and Kenny recording Bee Gees songs.
At least Shania kept enough country flavoring in her music so that when flipping through the dials I knew I was listening to a country station if I heard one of her songs playing. Unless it was one of her pop single remixes or “Man! I Feel Like a Woman!” which crossed over without a remix, and even then there’d be a country-enough song immediately after that let me know it was a country station. “Any Man of Mine,” “Love Gets Me Every Time” and “Come on Over” (the song, not the album) might as well be Hank Williams compared to 80-90% of the current country Top 40. These days, it all sounds like trap-pop and it’s impossible to tell at first listen whether the station is country or CHR.
May 1, 2018 @ 4:29 am
Don’t forget Faith Hill and her “pop remixes.” The pop remix of The Way You Love Me seemed like her trying her best to be Christina Aguilera.
April 28, 2018 @ 4:00 pm
At this point I think the country music establishment on music row and in radio has just given up in favor of dollars or something.
In fact I getting the feeling they are bitter that they are no longer the only gatekeepers, the industry was taken from them by the likes of YouTube and iTunes kickstarter and the internet in general that gives platform to all to do what they want. These acts may not get a massive industry backing but maybe artists don’t want that anymore if all it comes with are shady deal and bad contracts they take all their money and no radio play.
I think we have to face facts, much like the tipping point on the environment and and people always saying it’s not too late, I think it is time to admit that it is too late. Mainstream country is dead. It went past that point a while ago probably and maybe we all just held out hope it wasn’t true. But I have seen NOTHING in all my time following this site that has shown the establishments desire to make country country again. ZERO. They have gone FULL STEAM the other direction.
I mean the number of points of no return… (sigh) I hate to say it but I’m done with hoping. The best one can do is support the artists you like that you feel are doing real country, buy the music and go to live shows. That is all that can be done executives are CLEARLY not listening nor do they even seem to give a shit anymore.
I’m going to continue to play folks old and new that show up on here to keep the country flame alive in my part of the world but screw the mainstream and the charts. It is all a BS joke now. And considering the show I saw last night (Nana Mouskouri) that took me to a spiritual musical place I haven’t been to often, I KNOW what authentic music can do. And I know mainstream music is not doing it not a single one of them, even if they think they are.
I am however curious about Bebe Rhexa doing a 180 and her whole I’m not country position. It does not surprise me but I’d like somebody to take her to task on that.
April 28, 2018 @ 5:07 pm
“I am however curious about Bebe Rhexa doing a 180 and her whole I’m not country position. It does not surprise me but I’d like somebody to take her to task on that.”
I was just thinking the exact same thing. If she “never claimed to be country” then what is she doing presenting herself as an authority on country music all of a sudden?
April 28, 2018 @ 6:10 pm
“Then she went on to say, “I truly believe ‘Meant To Be’ paved the way for other artists to jump into country. This is the most fulfilling thing to me more then #1.”
Thank you for mentioning this Trig and expanding on it, Chris. It sounds to me as if she’s saying that anybody can just throw their hat in the country music ring but the only thing that keeps her and country music somewhat intertwined at this point is this song and she doesn’t even have enough respect to think any of the country music listeners let alone the genre itself.
April 28, 2018 @ 4:26 pm
Now if Keith Urban would just pull a Taylor Swift and finally admit he wants to be a pop artist…….
April 28, 2018 @ 5:01 pm
Stumbled upon this article earlier today, and been thinking about it since. Trigger, while I can appreciate the sentiment you are coming from, I find it pretty confusing. First of all – yes, I will agree with you that the tweets you reference are arrogant and frustrating for a Country music fan. It’s ALWAYS frustrating and even insulting when non-Country Music People think they are opening some “untamed” frontier. I do get it. They are their own issue. But I’m confused about how this particular collab (and can we PLEASE refrain from using misogynistic terminology while discussing Bebe Rexha, PLEASE??? As if some female Country legends haven’t OPENLY referenced their “assets” and are still revered?) is somehow the lynchpin in Country crossover music, equaling the demise of the genre.
So I’ll ask you – and I mean this respectfully – what stage of Country music IS “real”? Old Hank? Bosephus? Conway? Lori? Reba? Garth? Taylor? Chris? Personally, I find ALL of them authentic and great – and all of them fit into a pretty specific sub-genre of “Country”. Outlaw Country was so named because they referenced drug use – so naughty! Are Willie and Hank and Waylon not “real” Country? Garth shattered – SHATTERED – not only Country records but WORLDWIDE records, and he did it by being not only a Country artist, but a MASSIVELY successful crossover artist. He covered Billy Joel and Aerosmith.
It seems to me, from reading this article, that the “real” Country music you are lamenting is more along the lines of Bluegrass and Southern Gospel. Those are wonderful, beautiful genres! I listen to both frequently! But I’m unsure as to how castigating Top 40 Country for doing what it’s always done will “save” Country music. It’s still the most widely listened-to genre in this nation. That’s not gonna change…it hasn’t for decades.
April 28, 2018 @ 5:47 pm
Where did you get the stat that it’s the most listened to genre?
April 28, 2018 @ 6:30 pm
“Outlaw Country was so named because they referenced drug use – so naughty!”
With comments like this, it’s really difficult to take anything you say seriously, Emily.
April 28, 2018 @ 7:59 pm
Emily,
You’re making the same mistake Edd Hurt did above, which is to assume the argument against Bebe Rexha has to do with some hard traditionalist stance about what country music is or isn’t, which is a nauseating argument that will never be won or lost, and is frankly irrelevant to this discussion. Fear about what Bebe Rexha is doing to country has gone mainstream. This is not a fringe argument whatsoever, and is neither isolated to this website, or traditionalists.
“But I’m confused about how this particular collab is somehow the lynchpin in Country crossover music, equaling the demise of the genre.”
Crossover collaborations have happened in country music before, but never in this frequency. It used to be maybe one or two a year in the mainstream. Now, according to Billboard, not myself, they are having a “Parade atop the country airplay charts.” But that says NOTHING about the fact that Bebe Rexha—an artist who hasn’t even released her debut album yet—has the longest-charting #1 single on the 60-year-old Hot Country Songs chart for a woman in history. And not only that, now she’s actively goading more pop artists to join in, and as evidenced by Camila Cabello, they’re listening.
So many folks want to preach down to concerned country fans about Patsy Cline, Dolly Parton, Olivia Newton-John, etc., but ALL over these women have been lapped and diminished by “Meant To Be” already, and for all we know, it could be #1 for another 10 weeks.
Quit thinking these are the fringe ramblings of a wild-eyed staunch traditionalist. Bebe Rexha has no respect for country music, its institutions, or its artists. Otherwise, at the least she would be showing at lead a mild amount of humility.
April 28, 2018 @ 5:24 pm
I always knew it was gonna end up bad when Kid Rock joined forces w Hank Jr on CMT. That was the start of the end.
April 28, 2018 @ 5:28 pm
First they came out with Rascall Flatts, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Rascall Flatts fan.
Then they came out with Florida Georgia Line, and I did not speak out—
Because Florida Georgia Line suck and are douches.
Then they came out wirh Sam Hunt, and I did not speak out—
Because Sam Hunt is awful and isn’t remotely country.
Then they came out with Bebe Rexha—and there was no one left to speak for me.
April 28, 2018 @ 5:58 pm
Anytime I read about a non-country artist making country music or collaborating with a country artist, I enjoy where the interviewer asks about their influences and imagine seeing them squirm searching for answers. I’m waiting for the old, “I grew up a country music fan. My Grandma and Grandpa listened to (select artists). I grew up in Wombat Creek, TN, pop: 2376. I once met Garth Brooks and took a picture with him” quotes from Bebe Rexha trying to endear herself to the country music masses.
April 28, 2018 @ 6:19 pm
It’s pretty sad that that would be a massive improvement over what we’re getting.
April 28, 2018 @ 6:57 pm
To distracted by the pic to care about the article
April 28, 2018 @ 7:12 pm
1st the song was awful 2nd she onlyawful trash called FGL
April 28, 2018 @ 7:38 pm
And junk like hers is exactly why you have no idea if you have landed on a pop station by accident. It is also the reason we no longer listen to “country” music anymore.
Artists should certainly grow and expand. However in the last 5 or more years it is as if the country music is crumbling and about to implode. Thank God for Tim and Faith.
April 28, 2018 @ 10:08 pm
Thank God for Tim and Faith.
” This Kiss “….??…
May 1, 2018 @ 4:31 am
Don’t forget Faith Hill’s “pop remix” of “The Way You Love Me” in 2000. The video of that song seemed like she was trying her darndest to be Christina Aguilera.
Also it’s pretty telling that the “pop remix” of “This Kiss” was just the regular song with the steel guitar stripped out.
April 28, 2018 @ 8:32 pm
The problem here is that this Bebe Rexha song has been number one on the Billboard Country Singles chart for 21 weeks because Billboard changed their criteria for country songs a while back so once they decide a song qualifies for the country chart all airplay including pop airplay is included in deciding chart position. Sales and streams are also included but the airplay is the key here. A single that gets a lot of pop airplay will therefore chart much higher than a single that only gets country airplay. Billboard has apparently refused to revisit this decision which has distorted the chart leading to Sam Hunt and Bebe Rexha/Florida Georgia Line dominating the chart in the last year.
April 28, 2018 @ 9:11 pm
Bebe Rexha can go pound sand.
April 28, 2018 @ 10:14 pm
How in hell does a lyric as bad as this get ANYONE’S attention ? ….Much less get cut ….much less get the chart ratings it has gotten unless there is some kind of payola going on ? Even ‘country’ listeners cannot be this vacuous ? This is just childish , dreadful crap and disrespectful to writers who aim so much higher .
Baby, lay on back and relax, kick your pretty feet up on my dash
No need to go nowhere fast, let’s enjoy right here where we at
Who knows where this road is supposed to lead
We got nothing but time
As long as you’re right here next to me,
everything’s gonna be alright
If it’s meant to be, it’ll be, it’ll be
Baby, just let it be
If it’s meant to be, it’ll be, it’ll be
Baby, just let it be
So, won’t you ride with me, ride with me?
See where this thing goes
If it’s meant to be, it’ll be, it’ll be
Baby, if it’s meant to be
I don’t mean to be so uptight, but my heart’s been hurt a couple times
By a couple guys that didn’t treat me right
I ain’t gon’ lie, ain’t gonna lie
‘Cause I’m tired of the fake love, show me what you’re made of
Boy, make me believe
But hold up, girl, don’t you know you’re beautiful?
And it’s easy to see
If it’s meant to be, it’ll be, it’ll be
Baby, just let it be
If it’s meant to be, it’ll be, it’ll be
Baby, just let it be
So, won’t you ride with me, ride with me?
See where this thing goes
If it’s meant to be, it’ll be, it’ll be
Baby, if it’s meant to be
So, c’mon ride with me, ride with me
See where this thing goes
So, c’mon ride with me, ride with me
Baby, if it’s meant to be
Maybe we do
Maybe we don’t
Maybe we will
Maybe we won’t
But if it’s meant to be, it’ll be, it’ll be
Baby, just let it be
If it’s meant to be, it’ll be, it’ll be (c’mon)
Baby, just let it be (let’s go)
So, won’t you ride with me, ride with me?
See where this thing goes
If it’s meant to be, it’ll be, it’ll be
Baby, if it’s meant to be
If it’s meant to be, it’ll be, it’ll be
Baby, if it’s meant to be
If it’s meant to be, it’ll be, it’ll be
Baby, if it’s meant to be
April 28, 2018 @ 10:56 pm
Wow!! I haven’t missed out on anything have I? I stopped watching the country music awards when they started having rappers.I don’t listen to the radio anymore because it isn’t country. I listen to my country via You Tube.Marty Robbins,Patsy Cline,Johnny Horton.These new so called country stars couldn’t make it in rock music.So they invaded country.Urban?Not country.Swift?Wasn’t country.FLG?No.Brooks?No.I like listening to all kinds of music.Kind of sad that when you want to listen to country you can’t find a country station.
April 29, 2018 @ 3:07 pm
Try listening to James Carothers, Luke Bell, Sarah Shook, Hellbound Glory, Whitey Morgan, Nikki Lane, Margo Price, Rebecca Jed, Lindi Ortega, Sturgill Simpson, & so on.
April 28, 2018 @ 10:57 pm
I don’t like this song and it’s not country by any means but Billboard is the blame for this and this song has no business for being at #1 for 21 weeks on hot country songs and #1 on radio this week is ridiculous. I don’t know who Bebe Rexha is and I don’t really care. She is not country and this song is not good.
April 28, 2018 @ 11:32 pm
I’ve always wondered what exactly are Billboards rules for their charts? How does a song thats obviously not country end up on their country charts.
April 29, 2018 @ 7:24 am
Apparently you put a country artist on the track and make sure Billboard’s chart manager does whatever Music Row tells him. It wasn’t like we didn’t predict this very scenario in 2012 when they changed the rules.
April 29, 2018 @ 12:51 am
Right on! To cleanse yourselves from this pop insanity, listen to Jeremy Pinnell. Kentucky boy who you won’t see covered here. Oh well.
April 29, 2018 @ 5:01 am
For those not reading her twitter feed, it’s both hilarious and sad. Mostly urbanite females and various 2nd and 3rd worlders fighting over the veracity of her statement citing Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, and even Beyonce of being crossover artists first.
Lots of “honey” and “sweetie” usage to begin their comments to indicate they are right(and denote condescension?).
Twitter is not only a cesspool it’s also full of people who know nothing of the billboard changes while citing them as valid.
Here’s one exchange between a Bebe fan and a Gaga fan:
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Look the industry works on numbers not on heart.People might like to do crossovers,but the numbers are those that move the lables.Artists try to put out what sell & what make top 10.Bebe is just saying that she hopes to see other pop artist get inspired & do the same as she did.
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That’s not what she said. She literally thinks that she paved the way for other pop girls to do country when artists like Madonna, Gaga & Beyoncé have done it before. Btw Million Reasons sold 1.1m pure in the US alone & is Gaga’s 14th top10 hit. So idk what you’re trying to say.
Also, wheeler’s trolls on Bebe and the WaMart kid have been hilarious — if only to read their defenders.
I can only take twitter in increments of 5 or 10 minutes –invariably the unresearched opinions of gen z’s and
millennials and people from countrys outside of the source of the media discussed destroys my faith in the human species.
April 29, 2018 @ 5:06 am
Also, Trig I am sure you have heard never be the same.the video is out on youtube and has.over 70 million views. Its definately more of Kane doing a pop song than the other way around. Are you going to address it?
The autotuning is immense making its unlistenable to me, but atleast Camila is beautiful.
April 29, 2018 @ 7:19 am
I may address the Kane/Camella thing soon, but I’ve also got other pressing matters. I appreciate that folks don’t want me to hang on this “pop gone country” matter, even though I do see it as very important and pressing. So we’ll try to search for the right balance.
April 29, 2018 @ 7:22 am
Honestly, I think they’re both right. Most definitely there were ones before Bebe Rexha, but her run has been so historic (and counting), it has opened the floodgates, and she does deserve credit, except that credit isn’t probably the kind of credit she’s looking for. This went too far, as did her words. However Billboard is still the biggest culprit here.
April 29, 2018 @ 5:24 am
Totally laughable that she is paving the way! So many have done this before her.
April 29, 2018 @ 5:39 am
No, i don’t like and listen to country music anymore. Country is all pop and rock now. I think the term country gone too far to be saved. Even George Strait and Alan Jackson is kicked out! They aren’t roots, but of course they are better then this next generation. I was an Alan Jackson fan for a long time and used to listen to 90s sound. Country music is mainstream and only want one thing and that is making money and more money.
Americana; folk and bluegrass sometimes it is good if i am in the mood. I listen to Ameripolitan all subcategories, and even pure jazz and blues. That’s where it all started long time ago; the ROOTS from the black americans, you could hear it in the music. In Ameripolitan and Americana, that’s where you find real music that comes from the heart!
April 29, 2018 @ 7:51 am
So we got pop-crossover, arena rock-crossover, hip hop-crossover, R&B-crossover, punk-crossover, indie-hipster crossover and death-metal crossover. All of these genres are far from country yet only some crossovers get lampooned here. Hmm.
April 29, 2018 @ 3:04 pm
You missed the name of this site! It’s called Saving Country Music – not saving any of those other genres you mentioned.
April 30, 2018 @ 7:46 am
I’d say that the Country – Arena Rock crossover and the bad Country – R&B crossover attempts are pretty well lambasted here.
April 29, 2018 @ 9:10 am
Damn youtubed this track and ive heard it a bunch before and I aint anywhere that they play country radio as far as I know. Then again if this is what country radio sounds like then it couldve been on country radio I heard it and had no idea. While not country its a pretty unoffensive song and at least they somewhat stick to the english language as I know it. Shes wearing boots and plaid in the video which is country as fuck by some standards I suppose.
April 29, 2018 @ 10:23 am
I like my country, not this crossover crap.
April 29, 2018 @ 11:05 am
SCM slamming someone for arrogance is funny to me.
April 29, 2018 @ 7:45 pm
I always stop reading once i see the word “Twitter”. Nothing of value ever seems to follow.
April 29, 2018 @ 9:12 pm
How long until country music reviewers are praising The Chainsmokers for “the authenticity of their country sound” for including 5 seconds of computerized ukulele noise in a song?
April 30, 2018 @ 5:41 am
They’re disruptin’ the ruptin, man!
April 30, 2018 @ 8:19 am
Being a fan of country music has never been so difficult… It honestly feels like a chore everytime that I talk to someone about the music. I live in buffalo, NY and our market is incredibly sheltered from anything other than Pop country. We have one FM “country” station who was running a marketing campaign last year with snippets from fans saying they like the station because they “dont play the old twangy stuff”. other than that we have one local AM station that plays mostly classic. If it wasn’t for my close friends and websites like this i would have No idea about artists like Sarah shook, Margo price etc.
Every single time I talk to people around me about country music I feel like I always have to draw lines. I have to say “yeah, I like country, noooo not WYRK” (our radio station). I struggle so much with this whole pop country thing because I personally enjoy many genres. I actually like that tim mccgraw nelly song…. However, I completely agree with the author. Genres need to stay Genres. Mixing is okay and to be expected. but there need to be places where people can go and seek musical refuge a place where they know they are going to like what they here. Rural,Urban or Black , White those people deserve a genre.
April 30, 2018 @ 12:51 pm
JB Beverley has been spreading arrogance for years. What’s the difference?
April 30, 2018 @ 3:22 pm
Pop Country getting hoist on it’s own petard. Serves them right for being so pop to begin with that it was just inevitable that pop artists would exploit mainstream country’s lack of roots and authenticity.
Her Twitter comments reflect an extremely shallow mind. And “Fearless?” Don’t we reserve that word for actions like firefighters climbing into a burning and collapsing World Trade Center to rescue people, and not someone cutting a pop record that two major record labels pour millions into it to push it to #1?
May 1, 2018 @ 4:34 am
It’s pretty telling that Faith Hill’s “pop remix” of “This Kiss” in 1998 was basically just the normal song with the steel guitar stripped out. How many of the Top 40 country airplay songs today have any steel guitar? They would all probably have been considered pop songs in 1998, or at least adult contemporary pop if not teen pop.
May 2, 2018 @ 3:17 pm
Bebe Rexha is a joke. Comments like that are dangerous and she has no fucking business being involved in country music.
May 15, 2018 @ 1:56 am
Would it be ironic that a country-pop and mainstream country music fan gets scared of this turn of events? Because I am. I’m horrified.
What made me love this “stupid” subgenre of country is its fusion of more authentic songs and themes but still not too alienating because it incorporates the style of the genre I’ve grown up with, which is pop.
I’m in for country-pop stars who emerged with more pop sound than country, but still are products of country-pop industry, like Taylor Swift, Kelsea Ballerini, Blake Shelton, and Lady Antebellum.
But not pop stars, straight up ones, that are starting to get their hands on mainstream country, and treating it like a gateway to chart domination.
I was actually sad Lady Gaga didn’t send Million Reasons off to country radio, and didn’t label it as country, despite sounding more country than Sam Hunt and would have been a breathe of fresh air on the country radio because of its simple production and strong theme. She had the chance to dominate the country charts, but maybe she really did have a strong respect for the genre so she decided against it. And now that Trigger pointed out how bad a thing having a pop star dominate the genre, it actually makes all sense now. I aint sad anymore but now I feel glad Lady Gaga didn’t do what I thought she should do. I don’t really like her music, but she gained my respect.
I hope they’ll follow Gaga’s lead, and leave the mainstream/pop country alone. They can have all the country stars collaborate with them or incorporate little country sound on their music, but they must know that country is not, and should never be, a gateway to have a chart-topping hit. It’s a fusion genre that should never be exploited by pop artists for their own good.
July 12, 2018 @ 12:26 pm
You mad bro? ???????????? children are literally starving around the world and you’re worried about this? You need a reality check.
August 2, 2018 @ 3:59 pm
LMAO everyone on here trying to keep country music as white washed as possible! Bless Florida Georgia line and their management team for having an open (and smart) mind to work with artists in country who only lend to country musics stereotypes. Thanks to collaborations with people like Nelly and Bebe Rexha, country has a chance of survivng the next few decades and a chance at reach listeners outside the Southern States and people over 45. People in country are just jealous they don’t know how to write songs for the masses like they could 40 years ago when the entire country was more homogenous. Now America is so diverse, people don’t all relate to driving a truck and leaving their girl in a BBQ stained t-shirt. You should all be thankful for these artists for bringing more listeners and respect to the country music genre. Otherwise country will go the way of Gibson and Fender guitars, bankrupt.
September 25, 2018 @ 12:28 pm
I can only laugh at the comment about pop artists “invading the country space”. What a sad, pathetic and puritanically myopic viewpoint the author has. Grow up and grow out of your shell. Cross-overs have long been record smashers. Deal with it snowflake.
February 10, 2019 @ 4:10 pm
On the bright side, Texas, Oklahoma, and parts of Louisiana have Red Dirt radio to preserve a kernel of country music. Not difficult to find these acts and, while they’re not purists, you have acts writing and performing and producing their own stuff – part of the reason Nashville ignores them since they won’t adhere to the Music Row formula.