Charlie Kirk, Jesse Welles, and the Freedom of Speech

“Life is too short to not say exactly what you mean all the time.”
This is what Jesse Welles said at the conclusion of his short speech accepting the Freedom of Speech Award at the Americana Music Awards held at the Ryman Auditorium in Nashville on Wednesday night, September 10th. He then walked off stage to thunderous applause from the gallery of the Mother Church of Country Music, leaving them with a sentiment that couldn’t have been more poignant.
Unless you’re really dialed into the doings in independent country and Americana, you probably didn’t even know the Americana Music Awards were happening Wednesday night. It was the assassination of Charlie Kirk that dominated headlines and news feeds, as it probably should have. If you were immersed in the doings of Americanafest like many in the independent country/roots industry were Wednesday, you might not have known about Kirk’s death until you got home and caught up with the rest of the world.
There were a lot of sideways glances when the Americana Music Association announced that Jesse Welles would be receiving what was officially a “Lifetime Achievement Award.” Didn’t Jesse Welles really just appear on the scene recently? Sure, he was a roots rock artist previously, but it’s really been the last year when he’s come to prominence. In fact, Welles was also nominated for Emerging Act of the Year, illustrating the rather weird and juxtaposed accolade.
But along with releasing a lifetime’s worth of work compared to most other songwriters over the last year or so, elevating Jesse Welles for his staunch and outspoken use of music as a way to speak truth to power, empower individuals, and put current events into a greater context couldn’t have been more timely and prescient.
The Americana Free Speech Awards is given out in coordination with the First Amendment Center founded by Nashville native John Seigenthaler, and located at Nashville’s Vanderbilt University. It certainly wouldn’t be a radical pronouncement to say that the Americana music world veers left when it comes to American politics. But who was one of the first to ever receive Americana’s Free Speech Award? That would be conservative firebrand Charlie Daniels.
Many have tried to code Jesse Welles left as well, but that’s an insult to the reputation of the political binary Jesse Welles works within. He’s more anti-war, anti-bigotry, anti-corporations, and anti dumping whatever said corporations are dumping into the food supply and environment, poisoning the population. On many occasions, Welles has made folks on the left squirm with his pronouncements, just as he has people on the right. He’s also appeared on the Joe Rogan Experience, and is a fan of folks like comedian Tim Dillon, who also uses his artistic forum to speak truth to power.
But most importantly, Jesse Welles is sharing his perspective in often forceful and direct ways that are intended to make us all feel uncomfortable about the current state of affairs in our nation and world.
For Charlie Kirk, the assessment of political alignment was much more simple. Conservative and doggedly principled, he became famous for his back and forth with college students on campuses about political issues. But within the clearly politically-slanted forum that he worked in, there was the underlying maxim that everyone should be allowed to speak—and perhaps most importantly—people from across the political divide should speak to each other.
Jesse Welles and Charlie Kirk didn’t really have a lot in common politically—though there was probably more overlap than one might glean from the surface. But the one fundamental thing that undergirded both of their approaches was “Life is too short to not say exactly what you mean all the time.” This isn’t just our right as Americans. This is our responsibility, to ourselves, and each other.
It’s pretty simple. We have entered a late-stage era of American life where political violence, corruption, and a severe level of oligarchy has metastasized throughout society. Those presenting this as an unprecedented moment should recall the 1960s and the Kennedy assassinations, the killing of Martin Luther King, and all the political upheaval and violence of that era. But that was 60 years ago now. The level of political violence is certainly unprecedented in many of our lifetimes.
It was John Fogerty who made the trek to the Country Music Mother Church to give Jesse Welles his Freedom of Speech Award on Wednesday. The two had actually taken the stage at Nashville’s famed Exit/In the evening before to perform together. Wednesday night’s Americana Music Awards concluded with John Fogerty singing a few of the songs from the Credence Clearwater Revival catalog, including capping off the awards with a big singalong on “Proud Mary” that incorporated many of the performers from the evening, including Jesse Welles.

For years, Fogerty wasn’t even able to sing his own songs due to legal restrictions. It wasn’t until a deal was struck with Concord Records in 2023 that Fogerty was finally given that right. He recently re-recorded many of his top songs Taylor Swift-style, and re-released them in an album called Legacy: the Credence Clearwater Revival years.
So yes, John Fogerty doesn’t just know a thing or two about Freedom of Speech via the protest songs he wrote and sang back in the ’60s when he lived through and helped chronicle that period in American history like Jesse Welles is doing today. His whole life John Fogerty has been told what he could and could not sing, legally.

Some love to wax about how all music, and all speech is political in nature. But those that know the true power of music, they know that music’s power ranges much beyond the political. It was former American President Jimmie Carter who once admitted that Bob Dylan had done more to reshape American culture than he ever could. Music has that power because it has the capability of uniting as opposed to dividing.
It’s hard to paint a rosy picture about what the future might hold for the United States. The death of Charlie Kirk could result in reprisal violence. It could be used as a precursor to stifle speech in America, whether it’s through direct action of the government, or the cooling action an assassination has on all of us to think twice before we say what we believe.
But whether your Freedom of Speech hero is Charlie Kirk or Jesse Welles, it should be for all of us to protect our neighbor’s right to “say exactly what [they] mean all the time.” After all, it might be that First inalienable American right—and that First right only—that will help us rise out of this moment, and get the American project back on track before it unravels forever like a ragged old flag.
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September 11, 2025 @ 10:01 am
Hey Folks,
Going to be out in the field covering AmericanaFest all day. If this comments section descends into flame wars, I’m just going to shut it off due to my limited time to moderate comments, which ironically, would be disrespectful to the idea that everyone should be allowed to speak. So let’s all please be respectful so the discussion can continue. Thank you.
September 11, 2025 @ 1:48 pm
Unfortunately I entered into the comments on the video. Mistake.
September 11, 2025 @ 3:43 pm
Youtube comments are bad enough on a video of a kitten doing something funny. Wandering into the comments on this video, I wouldn’t be surprised if you ended up scarred for life.
September 11, 2025 @ 10:25 pm
How on Earth are you able to combine such obviously disparate people and find similarities. It’s like a middle school essay where you were asked to compare and contrast these people and you just bullshitted your way when describing their similarities.
Of course I know why you did it — for clicks. And it probably worked. You got charlie Kirk clicks for a story about a mostly anonymous musical artist.
I’m willing to bet there’s a way to write a story about the musician that would have garnered attention and would not have cost your soul. That would have been a real triumph of free speech.
September 12, 2025 @ 12:41 am
Weird comment.
First, the whole point of the article is to emphasize that no matter your political affiliation, we should all agree that everyone should have the right to speak without getting killed over it. So yes, there is a similarity there across ideologies.
Second, everything that people label as click bait never is. And the stuff that gets the most clicks is the stuff people would least expect. This article? There are a million articles out there about Charlie Kirk right now. If you post one on a small website like this, it immediately gets eaten in the algorithm by the bigger sites.
Jesse Welles is well beyond “mostly anonymous.” He has a MASSIVE social media following, and is the reigning Saving Country Music Songwriter of the Year. So I have profiled him here, numerous times previous.
September 12, 2025 @ 7:21 am
@ Trigger And I totally agree with the sentiment stated in the first paragraph of the response above (i.e., “no matter your political affiliation, we should all agree that everyone should have the right to speak without getting killed over it”). However, why do you feel the need to make the case that while being left-leaning, Welles also “has made folks on the left squirm with his pronouncements.” In other words, you seem to be trying to moderate Welles’ speech to make it more palatable to those on the right but no attempt is done to do that with Kirk. Kirk’s “free speech” is acceptable, prima facie, while Welles’ is only because may not really mean the leftist things he says. Shouldn’t free speech (at least that proteced by the 1st Amendment) be free speech?
Also, people glorify Kirk for going on college campuses to debate college students. Have you been on a college campus lately? Debating college students is just slightly more difficult than debating a potted plant.
But, yes, you should be able to say what you want without fear of being killed. In fact, you should be able to say what you want without fear of any physical reprisal. But we don’t yet know why Kirk was killed. People initially assumed the person who shot Trump was some AOC-loving communist, but that proved not to be true. As with many shootings like this it may be less about ideology and more about mental instability of some sort.
Finally, and I don’t mean this to minimize Kirk’s death, but where is all the outcry over the September 8th murder/suicide in Blanchard, OK? Or the two firefighters shot to death in Coeur d’Alene on June 29? Or…well, I think you get the picture. Gun violence is terrible regardless of the victim.
September 12, 2025 @ 3:10 am
I’m sure the Saving Country Music will be won or lost on the ~75 comments on this article and the clicks that came with it.
Considering how long this site has been around, the amount of “Charlie Kirk clicks” is a comparative drop in the ocean.
Now put the fries in the bag, Jeff.
September 14, 2025 @ 6:21 pm
Sorry, Trig, “Chilling Effects” are in now in play here.
September 11, 2025 @ 10:25 pm
So the leader of college students didn’t graduate from community college, much less a real college? I had to Google the guy. What in the hell has happened fo this country? Flags at half mast for this guy? Jesus, we are a clown show.
September 12, 2025 @ 4:33 am
Who said he was the leader of college students? Was he not allowed to talk to college students if he didn’t have a degree? Condescension is not a good look.
September 12, 2025 @ 7:10 pm
Gavin Adcock crowd chants for Charlie Kirk.
It’s on.
https://x.com/MAGAVoice/status/1966564883677540453
September 11, 2025 @ 10:09 am
Just updated with the video Jesse Welles just released about Charlie.
September 11, 2025 @ 10:32 am
He has a way of saying it that utterly lacks the sanctimony and hysterical bad faith I hear from many quarters.
I can’t agree with your opinion on Kirk because his videos were edited to misrepresent his opponents. It was bad faith propaganda and cynical financial opportunism not free speech advocacy. The only good thing I can say about the guy is that he was smart enough to get the joke with South Park and not act like a fool about it.
Jesse is ,of course, right but the irony of all this is that in reality Charlie loved the gun and repeatedly rationalized violence when it was his side doing it or school kids getting shot. To be consistent with his opinion his mourners would have to say that his death was worth it. But they are over the top with violent threats today.
September 11, 2025 @ 10:40 am
I’m no fan of Charlie Kirk’s politics, but plenty of his videos were edited by others to make Charlie look bad or misrepresent him. It went both ways. And that style of video is engrained into this era of quick videos and sound bites. I don’t think his team was doing anything egregious.
And the gun part of your comment feels a bit off. Every 2A supporter believes (vocally or silently) that some gun deaths are inevitable and are a tradeoff to having the 2nd amendment. Charlie at least said it out loud and was honest about it.
September 11, 2025 @ 11:35 am
Oh come on. I wasn’t a fan of his politics but this is ridiculous.
The “bad faith” part is just so lazy and disingenuous. He was famous for showing up to college campuses and having open forum discussions….sitting at a table and inviting anyone to talk to him is the very opposite of “bad faith.”
You can disagree with his views, I disagreed with them a lot, too. The question isn’t whether his views were right or wrong, it’s more about did he genuinely believe them and did he argue for them honestly.
September 12, 2025 @ 2:32 am
All of the sound bites of him are altered to make Charlie appear worse than he is by varying degrees. Some much worse than others depending on the bias in your feed. Charlie is taken out of context because he was a master of using confusion to gain an upper hand. However. He also challenged people’s thinking and made conversations happen up front with people who were often incapable of standing up for their points because so many Americans are educated on 10 second videos coming from their bias. I mean honestly. They don’t even know themselves because of the identity politics. And now they celebrate? It’s those ways that make this political assassination and this all about free speech. To find a way out of this we need to stop hunting for people to blame. It was us.
September 17, 2025 @ 7:36 am
Mental gymnastics is now an official US sport. Let’s talk about another black man being lynched in Mississippi or more schoolchildren being shot dead at school. Guess those are thr price they paid for being black and protecting 2A rights.
September 12, 2025 @ 7:07 pm
“Charlie wanted everyone to know that if they confess the Lord Jesus rose from the dead then they will be saved!” – Mrs. Erika Kirk
September 11, 2025 @ 12:16 pm
The left has become the speech police and hate. Everyone know this.
September 11, 2025 @ 1:43 pm
The irony of typing this out, while right wing influencers on X/Twitter get MSNBC pundits fired and an NFL PR guy fired for posting insensitive comments about Kirk’s death is hilarious.
My man, both extremes (and yes, Kirk was on the extreme on most issues) play the cancel culture game now. It may have started with far-left liberals on social media, but you are just living on Mars if you think the extreme right wing isn’t happy to partake in “cancel culture” as well.
September 11, 2025 @ 1:51 pm
Good
September 11, 2025 @ 4:29 pm
My brother, if you think Charlie Kirk was on the extremes, I fear you are really in the dark about what is going to come next as a result of this in short order. Charlie Kirk was a moderate Republican normie.
September 11, 2025 @ 5:50 pm
Cancel culture and murder are not even close my man.
September 11, 2025 @ 6:10 pm
Matthew Dowd got himself fired (or cancelled, if you will). He is 64 years old, and he couldn’t temper his remarks when the subject of conversation was in a life-and-death situation. The NFL guy should have the sense to not pile on in a situation like this, as he represents a multi-billion-dollar enterprise that is one our most culturally dominant entities. Apparently, he didn’t have someone like that teacher in his life, or he simply didn’t listen to whoever was. Stupid is as stupid posts…
Politics aside, a mature, thinking person has the sense to keep the heat dialed down at such a moment. I was in a vocational school when social media was starting to take root – Myspace was actually the big dog at that time! The teacher who was instructing the (mostly younger than myself) students told everyone not to have anything in public view on social media that you wouldn’t want a potential employer to see. It’s common sense, but that commodity is not so common, and it seems to be eroding as time passes, and life is lived with a digital screen in front of our faces evermore.
September 11, 2025 @ 7:04 pm
Thinking Charlie was an extremist is hilarious. And this is coming from someone who didn’t agree with him.
September 11, 2025 @ 7:37 pm
You are correct, Mike. Knowing that Communists are losing their jobs for running their rodent mouths goes straight into my veins man. It’s euphoric.
September 11, 2025 @ 1:19 pm
Fake news.
You are taking his comment out of context. Intellectually dishonest.
He didn’t love guns; he loved the Second Amendment and the freedoms it has provided for us.
September 11, 2025 @ 12:03 pm
an american treasure. thank you, jesse welles.
September 11, 2025 @ 10:27 am
That song from Welles was touching. Thank you for posting it.
September 11, 2025 @ 10:31 am
Good article. I hope the comments section stays away from vitriol, and for that hope, I’ll just say for now that I don’t agree with everything you said but I think you did a good job with this article and I agree with the sentiments in the song you posted.
September 11, 2025 @ 10:32 am
The only thing I can say is this: rest in peace, Charley. You were a great man.
I don’t see Charley so much as a champion of “freedom of speech” as I do a champion of freedom of dialogue. What so many on the left despised about him was exactly what made him so powerful—his ability to speak to young people on college campuses in their own language, and to challenge even the most hardline progressive activists to rethink their positions.
It’s easy sing or preach to the choir. It’s another thing entirely to change hearts, minds, and culture. That’s what Charley did. Congratulations to Jesse Welles on his award as well.
September 11, 2025 @ 11:32 am
Just speaking for myself as someone on the left because I think you are mispresenting some of us: I do NOT despise his ability to speak to young people, challenge ideas or engage in debate.
I do despise many (but not all) of his political positions. However, I applaud Charlie for those qualities above and wish the left had someone who had the same talent as Charlie did in that regard.
September 11, 2025 @ 12:54 pm
That’s why I said “so many on the left,” not “all people on the left.” I did hear someone comment today that there are essentially two kinds of Democrats right now: those celebrating loudly, and those celebrating quietly. I don’t personally believe that’s entirely accurate, but I will say this—the sheer number of people who rushed to social media to cheer and gloat is deeply unsettling.
September 11, 2025 @ 1:11 pm
Leftists cheering this hate democrats because they view democrats as controlled opposition that only exist to give power to right wingers. The leftists cheering this are people who use liberal as a slur.
Actual elected democrats have done nothing but be decent and say how sad this is. As opposed to elected republicans who said why should I care about murdered democratic legislatures.
Anyway we need to focus on what matters like another lame ass Jesse Welles song
September 11, 2025 @ 5:26 pm
America as a whole doesn’t seem aware that Liberal does not equal Left. Liberal is traditionally center-right in most of the Western world. What we’re all witnessing is the breakdown of the Left-Liberal alliance. This is why it’s so ridiculous when Biden or Harris are labelled far Left radicals or Marxists by the Right, who have much more in common with the Democrats ideologically than the far Left does. To the true far Left, even a Democratic Socialist like Bernie is considered a compromising sellout, and nowhere near radical enough, and this isn’t something new.
September 11, 2025 @ 6:09 pm
JBird, I am really pleased that you have made this point, well known to anyone versed in post-World War II democratic politics, as opposed to those whose ignorance of the relevant historical reality renders them easily bamboozled into an imagined counter-reality in which “timid liberalism” translates inexplicably into “radical left.”
There used to be a joke well known to us who majored in political science. The premise was that one Brit is explaining American politics to a countryman. “There is the Republican Party,” he says, “and that equates to our Conservative Party. And then there is the Democratic Party, which equates to our Conservative Party.”
Probably no longer true, though, since Republicans in this century have moved far to the right of Britain’s still largely center-right Conservatives.
September 12, 2025 @ 10:44 am
Charlie Kirk is considered pretty moderate by most people on the right.
September 11, 2025 @ 1:47 pm
I mean, there were folks on the opposite side of the political spectrum cheering Hortman’s murder.
Shit, we had a sitting US Senator make jokes about it (Mike Lee).
We are just going to continue to circle the drain as a country and a society if we do not call out this b.s. happening on both sides of the aisle. The “silent majority” of Americans that do not believe in posting repugnant crap on Twitter and Bluesky need to step up and call that crap out on both sides of the aisle.
Otherwise, well, we ain’t going to have much of a country left for you, me, and the generations to come. The purple-haired leftists and the “guy who follows Laura Loomer a bit too much” are going to be the death of this country. Along with corporate greed.
September 11, 2025 @ 10:33 am
Jesse Welles just showed why he won this award.
Bravo, Jesse.
Godspeed, Charlie.
September 11, 2025 @ 10:35 am
Pretty horrific day in 21st century America. And in the middle of all the news, there was a school shooting in Denver.
Charlie’s entire schtick was having debates and talking face-to-face with people he disagreed with. And unlike many political firebrands on TV and in office, he always came across as extremely respectful, polite and even-kneeled.
I count myself as someone who disagrees with so much of his politics. And yet, I am extremely envious of the career Charlie built and wish the Democrat side of the aisle had someone as likeable and engageable as Charlie was. I’ve yet to even mention the young family he leaves behind.
It feels like a fool’s wish, but I hope the temperature of this country calms down, and I hope those who are misguided find help instead of seeking violence.
September 11, 2025 @ 1:55 pm
Sadly, I don’t see it “calming down” until we have massive societal reform. And that ain’t gonna happen easy.
You can’t have a society that is getting blasted with “black box” algorithms on social media every minute of the day that do nothing but promote strong feelings in individuals to maintain engagement, a society where the majority of citizens are 1 missed paycheck away from financial hardship, and a society that values “me” over “us” and not have it crumble.
I see no path forward for things to get better. Even if you support Trump, he is loathed by half the country. If he changed his tone tomorrow, 50% of the nation would still loathe him. Replace Trump with Newsom and you have the same story.
I legit don’t know what the path forward is for things to get better, but I can’t even find the starting point from where we are today.
September 11, 2025 @ 3:15 pm
It won’t calm down until there is a massive event such as the power grid or internet infrastructure going down and there is only one party to ‘save society. People’s personal connections and relationships are on a much wider scale now than the local level – it’s internet wide. Most people have strong political beliefs despite not being political analysts or well-read from either side. The Democrats in media HATED Reagan in the 80’s but he won reelection with 49 states. The political rhetoric from the elites then hasn’t changed much thru today – it’s just that EVERYONE has strong beliefs and allegiance to their side.
The Charlie Kirk shooting was orchestrated to stir up more hatred between both sides. Only if people realize their true enemy is the Blackrock’s, Palintir’s, Rockefellers, Bill Gate’s, all the big-tech elites, big pharma and military and international weapon’s manufactures, etc then this division won’t go away.
September 11, 2025 @ 4:21 pm
I think there’s a bunch of stuff keeping the temperature high. You’ve got 24×7 news channels that need to fill time, and having talking heads argue is the easy version of if it bleeds it leads. You’ve got gerrymandering getting worse, which means that instead of politicians having to appeal to a wide variety of people, they only have to appeal to a narrow slice, which leads to more extreme politicians. You’ve got social media doing all sorts of devious crap to keep you engaged, and making you angry is an easy way to do that. Worst of all, you’ve got so many people who are just so sick of the shouting that they disengage altogether, which means only the most passionate people are voting and engaging in political conversations.
There’s way more of us who just want to live in a nice place, get along with each other, and if we disagree, be adults about it. I mean look at SCM – there are probably all kinds of ways that I might disagree with any one of you, but like Sunny Sweeny and Brennen Leigh sing, if you like country music then I guess you’re not so bad.
September 11, 2025 @ 11:57 am
Pretty funny considering Jesse Welles doesn’t say anything. Nothing but platitudes. “Politics sure is crazy huh” is the extent of the insight he’s ever expressed in his music. I’ve tried but I find the praise he gets baffling other than some people just love the complexities of the world reduced to boring cliches
September 11, 2025 @ 12:01 pm
Thank you Trigger. Thank you Jesse. Thank you Charlie.
September 11, 2025 @ 12:15 pm
I posted here two weeks ago warning your readership about the sudden spate of ANTIFA active shooting threats on conservative college campuses. And you chose to censor me.
And now you sit there pontificating about free speech.
Still want accuse me of “culture war” while your side is committing political assassinations on college campuses?
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September 11, 2025 @ 12:43 pm
What is my side? Advocating for traditional country music and independent artists?
September 11, 2025 @ 12:57 pm
You tell me.
How many left wing views do you censor?
How many liberals do you accuse of “culture war” due to the speech they post on your blog?
September 11, 2025 @ 1:09 pm
This comes up all the time.
You can’t see the comments deleted on the left because they’re deleted. Both sides think the other side is being favored. I’m simply trying to run a country music website where folks from across the political spectrum can come and discuss the music.
And trust me. I get accused of being on the right way more than being on the left.
September 11, 2025 @ 2:40 pm
@Trig–I’m sure you’re telling the truth there.
When you step away from the people who normally frequent this site and into the wide world of the Internet and people who get sent here by other sites, I imagine this site is known among millennials (if at all) mostly as “the old raysist white dude who hates on Beyonce.”
September 12, 2025 @ 8:07 pm
Love this site and kudos to Trig for running it as brilliantly as he does. So I’m not questioning any of his decisions. That said, I come here for the music. I am a middle of the roader and I can’t stand. all the political jibber jabber on here. It makes me not even want to read the comment section, which can often be illuminating if people would stick to the topic of this website: music. Here’s my suggestion, if a comment remotely smells like it is a left-wing or right wing viewpoint, Trig should delete it. Period. The end. I come here to read about Turnpike Troubadours and whiskey, Meyers and Tyler Childers. Whether Evan is woke or WM are Trumpers is irrelevant to me when I’m listening to their music and I don’t even really want to know about their view points. SCM audience, keep it to yourselves and focus on the music. It I want to read crap about Trump I’ll go on Fox and if I wanna know more about what AOC is doing, I’ll tune into MSNBC (… and neither of those “news” sources are remotely accurate anyway, so I wouldn’t tune in there). Really, let’s talk about the music on the music site. All this arguing back-and-forth is exactly what is flushing this country down the toilet. Let’s come together people!
September 11, 2025 @ 1:37 pm
Trigger censors left wing comments often. When someone with left/liberal views responds to a ridiculous right wing comment, trigger often comes in and threatens to shut down the comments, responding to the left’s response but rarely the original comment that sparked the response. That’s censorship of left wing views.
September 11, 2025 @ 3:34 pm
It’s not censorship and it’s trigger’s site he can do whatever he wants. But yes the pattern is right winger says outrageous thing, left winger responds, trigger says stop talking about politics
September 11, 2025 @ 3:40 pm
I have never seen a leftist complain of being censored on here.
September 11, 2025 @ 7:18 pm
You’re such a crybaby. Trig has been censoring the s**t out of me for over a decade. He should let me speak freely and ban you.
September 12, 2025 @ 7:20 am
“It’s not censorship and it’s trigger’s site he can do whatever he wants.”
It’s a form of censorship, and he can absolutely do whatever he wants, and should. I just don’t like that he pretends that this is a place for open conversation while following the same pattern of shutting down left wing responses every time. I’d rather he crack down more on unnecessary political rhetoric, before left wing comments step in, and do so in a more even manner. I understand he deletes crackpot messages, but just deleting them doesn’t set the right tone that I think he wants.
The irony of Honky calling anyone else a crybaby in a thread whining about right wing censorship.
September 12, 2025 @ 8:11 am
Once again (as I have said over and over), I am not shutting down left wing responses. When incessant back and forths present themselves, I am going to come in and shut them down. Sometimes that’s after a comment from the right. Sometimes that’s a comment from the left. I don’t have control over who is the instigator, and who is the responder.
September 12, 2025 @ 8:07 am
Quit whining.
I have been on moderation for years.
September 12, 2025 @ 8:46 am
Trigger, the instigator is almost always a comment from the right, and you have a clear pattern of only stepping in after a responder makes a comment, and you usually make your response to a left wing commenter. Why do you wait for a back and forth? Do you want right wing people to just be able to spit out whatever hate they want? You absolutely shut down left wing responses, threatening to close comment sections.
Just be honest about your actions, Triggerman.
September 12, 2025 @ 12:25 pm
Trigger has the right to curate contributors’ posts, thus distorting the dialog to his own liking.
But the result of this editorial model will be a further distorted culture, one in which it is conceivable that assassination will absolutely replace thoughtful dialog and good faith debate.
Liberals are already there. Cancel culture led to assassination. Charlie Kirk was trying to prevent such a transgression by engaging, but assassination is now what both sides will be reduced to deploying — both sides.
Assassination ultimately leads to wholesale extermination of wide swaths of people. Now you must ask yourself, which side is better positioned to eradicate the other?
Think long and hard about this before you proceed down this road. Because there is no coming back.
September 12, 2025 @ 7:44 am
As someone who needles Trig from time to time, I give him a ton of credit for his even keel and fairness almost to a fault sometimes. When someone gets flack from both “sides”, thats usually a sign they are closer to the truth than their critics.
September 11, 2025 @ 11:08 pm
That’s quite reactionary to some, it seems.
September 11, 2025 @ 12:57 pm
Thank god Hank 33 is here to anonymously warn the readers of a music blog about Antifa shootings on college campuses. Call the FBI next time you have a hot tip.
September 11, 2025 @ 1:49 pm
You can always spot the folks who spend too much time on X. God, the brain rot in society from social media alone…
September 11, 2025 @ 11:11 pm
Isn’t that the point with it all, from X to Bluesky and beyond?
Make the peasants chasing unicorns and shadows to keep them in their place?
September 12, 2025 @ 12:28 pm
If Trigger was not such a conniving censor, you would get my replies to your stupid remarks.
September 13, 2025 @ 3:04 am
Hank 33; I am sorry I missed your replies.
To cheer you up; I’ve been married for 16 years, before that I spent 20 years in semi-long relationship with women. And I got a daughter.
Whatever pain your replies meant to inflict on me, I’ve lived through worse.
September 11, 2025 @ 1:56 pm
In my state, Minnesota, earlier this summer, a far-right, conspiracy-theorizing maniac murdered a leading Democratic state legislator and her husband in their home late one night. Around the same time he also sought out a male Democratic legislator and his wife and attempted to kill them, succeeding only in seriously wounding them and sending them to the hospital for an extended stay.
Curious how this episode has already been forgotten by the Hank 33s to whom lives of people who don’t agree with him don’t seem to be a matter of consequence.
I never liked Charlie Kirk or agreed with his ideological views, but he was a fellow human being who I’m sure had his virtues. And he was a husband and father. He and I have that in common and that alone is a profound connection. Whoever shot him to death, whatever his political affiliation (if any), is a monster. We’ll learn more, but that’s all we need to know for now. We are not required to hate each other.
No one deserves to be murdered — does that actually need to be stated? — nor does anyone deserve to be the recipient of false and malicious charges such as Hank 33 routinely dumps on innocent people whose true crime, apparently, is not having the intelligence level or the personal compassion of a barstool ranter. No evidence exists that “our side” (also criticized for opposing guns and the mass violence they perpetrate, by the way) is conspiring to commit killings on college campus. No evidence, however feeble, is even offered. None of those making the charge even pretend it exists. That doesn’t stop them, of course, and the hate goes on. When will it stop?
September 11, 2025 @ 7:42 pm
I remember this. That Minnesota state legislator was killed shortly after breaking rank with Democrats and voting against a bill to provide free healthcare to illegal immigrants. It makes zero sense that a Republican would kill her and her husband for that.
September 12, 2025 @ 5:37 am
How do you jump to the conclusion that all 4 of these people were shot because of this? That’s wild man. You’re not thinking straight…strait.
September 12, 2025 @ 6:17 am
That woman had expressed fear for voting against her party on that bill. I remember seeing political commentary on that story.
I don’t understand what’s so damn baffling about what I said.
September 12, 2025 @ 10:19 am
You stated it as fact when you have zero proof. That is called speculation, and in America that doesn’t work as an argument. Maybe you should read the constitution.
Also, you don’t understand what’s so damn baffling about what you said, because you seem pretty stuck on not listening and you seem to have problems with basic comprehension. Go read a book pal.
September 12, 2025 @ 6:20 am
Speaking of zero sense, I must say you demonstrate some impressive expertise.
There’s a conspiracy theory for everything, isn’t there? I note that you’ve already weighed in with another bizarre one, evidence untainted of course, related to the Kirk assassination. You made up that one about the killings in Minnesota out of thin air, didn’t you? You haven’t a molecule of evidence, and you don’t care.
The following words aren’t directed at you but to those who haven’t followed the case, since as I know from experience (as will other contributors) rational arguments are just so much expended breath to the conspiracy-crazed:
The killer’s personal history and background — not exactly an impenetrable secret — have been extensively documented in the state and national press, and by the investigating police agencies. His deeply devout family, which doesn’t dispute his guilt, only expresses sorrow at his depraved actions, his descent into ideological madness, and his rejection of the Christian values he claimed to represent. To that wounded family’s credit it has not concocted nonsensical yarns to explain away the husband/father’s actions. The killer, who fled and was caught within days, actually seems proud of it.
But to some, as we know all too well, facts don’t matter, only innuendo, conspiracy, and demonization of those who disagree. (At their core conspiracy theorists are just old-fashioned demonologists awaiting the coming of a new Inquisition.) As the hate-filled and the crazy turn their attention to the Kirk case, I dread what comes next. My psychic prediction: one consequence will be yet more spilled blood.
September 12, 2025 @ 9:26 am
Funny considering your side is still throwing around “Russia” as a conspiracy for everything 10 years now.
When there are stories with obvious holes in the narrative that are all of a sudden buried and forgotten about I am more inclined to think the official narrative is wrong – because often times it is. Many, including you, have this “polyanna” idea of the government as being a force for good on one side of the aisle. In reality the government has been tied to the mob for 100 years now in different iterations. The government has always killed people who are “inconvenient” just like the mob – it’s that trillions are at stake vs millions when the government is involved which is why I understand the government will, and does those things.
…I’m sure you believe the Clintons are innocent though.
September 12, 2025 @ 7:22 am
The legislator voted against the bill in a procedural move to keep the bill alive when it didn’t yet have enough votes whipped up. It’s a common practice. You’re also ignoring the other attempted assassination where that wasn’t the case.
September 12, 2025 @ 8:32 am
Further evidence of Strait’s cavernous ignorance.
When the killer was captured, he had in his possession a long list of liberals, Democrats, and (pardon the sarcasm) other demonic figures whom he intended to murder next. His principal obsession, repeatedly demonstrated throughout his career as a far-right activist, was abortion, not immigration. I’m confident that Strait has no clue as to why, given her particular position in the party leadership, she was reasonably concerned about the feelings of colleagues. Only a clueless dolt would think she had reason to believe they would kill her. In fact, her colleagues adored her from all accounts, including from party officials who knew her and whom I also know. But hey, we’re aware of Strait’s allergy to evidence already.
Unless I’m sadly mistaken, Minnesota’s Democratic Farmer Labor Party (DFL, as the Democratic Party is known here) has never solved its passing internal quarrels and irritations via murder. Unless, of course, Strait knows something I don’t know, and he doesn’t.
September 11, 2025 @ 4:12 pm
Sorry, but get out of here. I actually have no idea of what Trigger’s politics are, but I pay close attention from an academic standpoint and his journalistic integrity is just too much for him to do what you suggest.
September 11, 2025 @ 12:32 pm
Jesse is so freaking prolific. It’s one thing to be able to spit out poetry with the snap of a finger. It’s another thing to spit out a new melody with the snap of a finger. Now he’s got more complex cord structure going into these songs and they just get better and better.
The Charlie Kirk thing is really disturbing. I know it is nothing new in this world, but some scumbag just completely removed a father from a family. He rationalized many things that likely should not have been rationalized because his brain was so huge and driven by logic, but he sure did touch a lot of lives in a positive way. Shame on all the hate in this country. SHAME!!!!
September 11, 2025 @ 1:12 pm
It’s in our American DNA to be able to say what’s on our minds without having to self censor. The details of the assassination don’t pass the smell test for me. I don’t believe for a second that this was an organic left-wing shooter. A 200 yard shot like that are only done by skilled marksman. I fully expect that the shooter will have zero social media footprint besides communications directly with the Feds.
Yesterday Senate Republicans won in a slim majority to not release Epstein files. Netanyahu was one of the first to tweet prayers for Charlie.
September 15, 2025 @ 6:54 am
Brother, I don’t know where you’re from, but hand half the folks in my county in rural NC a zeroed Mauser and a rangefinder and they’ll put most rounds in at least the 8 ring. And this is in the east, where our deer live in woods and clearcuts and swamps. Western folks can ACTUALLY shoot.
September 11, 2025 @ 1:18 pm
I recommend folks not watch Kirk’s death video. I saw it by accident and the whole incident is immensely chilling. One moment he sits there dealing truth and the next second a splash of red from a slumping body.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
September 11, 2025 @ 3:48 pm
Was Chuck a patriot or a tyrant?
September 11, 2025 @ 5:28 pm
His name is Charlie, asshole.
“Say His Name.”
He just got assassinated and you nick name him.
Show some respect.
September 12, 2025 @ 6:25 am
“Show some respect.”
Don’t be so woke.
September 11, 2025 @ 6:19 pm
Charles James Kirk was, above all, a Christian, American man who didn’t gratuitously denigrate people who didn’t agree with him or wasn’t as articulate and informed as he was. That’s who I believe he was…
September 12, 2025 @ 8:09 am
A patriot.
Considering he never held office, not sure you could say tyrant. Unless your IQ is 92.
September 12, 2025 @ 2:32 pm
Same reason I haven’t watched what happened to Iryna Zarutsko in Charlotte.
It was probably worse for her because she knew what was happening.
September 11, 2025 @ 3:36 pm
I just got to say with an overload of extreme views from both sides yesterday and today, this comment section has had some of the most rational responses and dialogue back and forth between people I’ve seen. End of the day the country needs more people willing to listen to each other and realize we got a lot more in common than we don’t. Hold your families tight and make sure to tell people you love them. This was a tragedy and I’m optimistically hoping in the end cooler heads prevail not just for us, but for the future generations we are leaving this to.
September 11, 2025 @ 7:42 pm
Do you consciously comprehend that the Communists just murdered the guy who wanted to listen?
Furthermore, do you understand that the Communists murdered the guy who wanted to listen because people were listening?
And do you also understand the ramifications of these things?
September 12, 2025 @ 12:43 am
Of course youre going to be the jackass of the comment section Honky. Always have been, always will be. Congrats bud
September 12, 2025 @ 10:24 am
Damn your communist killed him narrative fell apart fast. Maybe this should be a lesson to do better chief
September 12, 2025 @ 6:05 pm
I can’t tell if you’re dumb or dishonest, but Charlie Kirk was assassinated by a 22-year-old Communist from Utah whose dad turned him in. He was a member of the Democratic Socialists of Utah.
Maybe you could watch the news or something.
September 12, 2025 @ 8:09 am
Kirk sat down to break bread and talk. He was blown away.
Your comment is naive.
September 11, 2025 @ 6:06 pm
Charlie Kirk is a hate mongering bigot, and I am sick of people trying to normalize hate. Kirk said gay people should be stoned to death, that the civil rights act was a mistake. He celebrated when a Muslim child got shot at. I am sorry for his family. But hate is not A DIFFERENCE OF AN OPINION.
I lost a trans friend to suicide last year, because of the constant bullying and harassment from people like Charlie Kirk.
Kirk said women need to get married at a younger age, that’s statutory rape, he called transgender people sick and a middle finger to god.
This is not a normal difference of opinion, this is far right wing hate. and I am getting tired of people trying to normalize hate.
So I will not laugh and celebrate over his death, and I feel for his family, but I will not shed one tear, over that bigoted monster. Good riddance charlie Kirk, I will not miss you one bit.
September 11, 2025 @ 6:18 pm
Liar.
Charlie Kirk never said any of those things.
Gender dysphoria, a defined mental illness, itself causes suicide ideation.
No one bullied your “friend.”
September 11, 2025 @ 6:36 pm
Sorry friend, he did say those things. I can send you the videos if you want. You can stick up for hate I will not. And my friend was driven to suicide by hate. You have no clue what my friend went through. So you can go to hell. Live in your hate filled delusional lies. People like you are the reasons these types of shootings happen. I am not going back and forth with bigots, I said my peace. So deal with it. None of the right wings delusional banter cannot change facts. If you can’t handle facts, that is your problem not mine FRIEND.
September 11, 2025 @ 6:44 pm
Yeah, post the links here to the alleged quotes.
You won’t, though, because you made them up.
September 11, 2025 @ 8:52 pm
Ask your ass licker, trigger won’t let me respond. Freedom of speech, can’t post video. Don’t have anything to prove to a Nazi anyway
September 12, 2025 @ 12:34 am
Whose ass am I licking? If you can’t respond, it’s probably because the comments have hit the 5 tier max. You cannot embed video here, but you can post links.
September 12, 2025 @ 7:05 am
Kirk claimed stoning gays was God’s greatest law as it relates to sexuality. He claimed we would be better off without the Civil Rights Act while claiming that act led to today’s DEI culture. I’m not aware of him pushing girls younger than 18 to marry, but know he’s said plenty of misogynistic things, including stuff like women shouldn’t go to college unless the sole purpose is for finding a husband. He recently said Taylor Swift should quit her career now that she’s engaged and Kelce now own’s her. He was a piece of shit in my opinion. Obviously he didn’t deserve to be shot, but people should be allowed to call out his hateful rhetoric.
September 12, 2025 @ 6:26 am
Your slurs and unhinged behavior are kind of scary. Legit scary. This is making this forum unnecessarily ugly. You really need to dial this back.
September 12, 2025 @ 12:33 pm
Here is Stephen King apologizing for spreading lies about Charlie Kirk calling for the stoning of homosexuals.
https://x.com/StephenKing/status/1966484038648021264
September 12, 2025 @ 3:11 pm
I don’t know what Stephen King is apologizing for. June 8, 2024 Kirk podcast at 1hr in: “And it says, by the way, Ms. Rachel, might want to crack open that Bible of yours, in a lesser reference, part of the same part of scripture is in Leviticus 18, is that thou shall lay with another man shall be stoned to death, just saying. So, Ms. Rachel, you quote Leviticus 19, love your neighbor as yourself. The chapter before affirms God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”
September 12, 2025 @ 4:55 pm
His quoting a Bible verse in a contextual discussion conflated to “he called for homosexuals to be stoned to death” is typical Democrat way of preventing dialog, and is the bearing of false witness that ultimately contributed to his being murdered.
Democrats are incapable of shame. And it will be their undoing.
September 12, 2025 @ 1:06 pm
I’ll wade into the swamp here, although part of me is hesitant.
Stephen King went half-cocked on social media with that canard and got called out for it.
The part about stoning gays is false, as Charlie was using that to show how people cherry pick which parts of the Bible they honor when the whole context of the pertinent story said otherwise.
He wasn’t himself advocating for the violence Stephen King described.
To his credit, King responded saying, “I was wrong, and I apologize. I have deleted the post.”
In 2019, Charlie tweeted “Also gay people should be welcome in the conservative movement. As Christians, we are called to love everyone. I will always stand against people who wish to establish their own personal values to reason to kick others out of our movement.” Sounds rather inclusive to me…
Child marriage was not what he was calling for. He was against the long-standing trend of women marrying later – if at all – and starting families earlier.
I’m tired to going over this nonsense here, but the falsehoods are just too much.
September 12, 2025 @ 1:13 pm
Back a few weeks ago when we were having a convo here about the Oak Ridge Boys and Chapel Hart, you seemed to have a lot of anger simmering beneath the surface when you were hammering Joe Bonsall and Richard Sterban. I tried to just talk it out with you about things and not get into a big-time beef. I was a bit disconcerted about how angry you seemed. It’s really showing here in a big way.
Call me crazy, but I’d like to just see more talk about good music here. Just sayin’…
September 15, 2025 @ 4:39 pm
You are better off not getting your information from progressives on social media, otherwise you will always be misinformed
September 11, 2025 @ 7:15 pm
Free speech sort of sounds like a good idea, until you start thinking about where it leads logically. Speech should only be allowed if it aligns with eternal truth. The Constitution only works in a society where everyone has the similar values.
Communists shouldn’t be allowed to speak freely. Their ideas should be criminalized.
If anything positive comes out of this tragedy, it will be the complete obliteration of leftwing ideology in the United States, a generational cleansing. Either denounce your beliefs, or rot in a cell.
September 11, 2025 @ 8:59 pm
Only free speech for Nazi lovers like you? Right cracker ass?
September 12, 2025 @ 9:06 am
F#ck off to reddit and celebrate Luigi, Tyler Robinson and other degenerate filth.
September 12, 2025 @ 6:12 pm
You’re so silly. I get tickled every time one of you believe this will work on me. I know you better than you know yourself.
https://youtu.be/XfsJxkobPXk?si=vDVJzyFkUB9bLUnX
September 12, 2025 @ 9:38 am
“The Constitution only works in a society where everyone has the similar values.”
The problem is, your values are so disturbingly Anti-American.
September 12, 2025 @ 10:03 am
What are your values, Adam?
September 12, 2025 @ 12:44 pm
Freedom of speech, including for communists. Protecting all of the rights in the Constitution, including the second amendment which is incredibly important. Religious and ethical tolerance with a priority on separation of church and state. A belief in freedom and the right to express oneself. Equality of opportunity, creating a system that enables the American dream. Making sure every American can succeed and afford to live an honest, modest life. Making sure there’s a social safety net for when people are down or slip through the cracks of society. Protecting those who are marginalized by society. The four freedoms of fdr, speech, worship, want and fear.
September 12, 2025 @ 12:37 pm
When speech crosses over into Sedition or Insurrection we can and should prosecute preferably using military tribunals.
Enemies foreign and domestic best study the law..
September 11, 2025 @ 8:05 pm
Interesting article. I also agree that life is too short not to say how you feel. Charlies death is just stupid but when you put yourself out in the publics eye, you have to expect stuff like this. Still very sad though. Far as facts go, ones facts are anothers bullcrap. Charlie wasnt far right at least based on the world i grew up in. I never really paid attention to him much other than seeing his videos on tik tok But i did admire his welcoming people to talk about issues regardless of his beliefs. He did it in face to face situations which is great in an age of people hiding behind screens. Invariably he died because of it, partly so anyway. But people should speak their mind far as what they believe, thats the lesson to be learned from him. Also the art of listening is gained from him. Problem is that some people think listening means agreeing, otherwise you arent listening. But that isnt so.
September 11, 2025 @ 8:51 pm
All Charlie Kirk did was try to open communication and conversation. He allowed anyone to stand up and say what they believed, often nothing more than attempts to vilify Charlie himself. He then politely, calmly, and respectfully debated their ideas with those of his own. To those who interacted with him, both those who agreed or disagreed, he was known as a kind and gracious man. He used his influence and money generated to better the lives of children with scholarships and opportunity. He was a man of faith, a husband and father.
You don’t have to agree with Charlie Kirk, and you could have in fact said it to him face to face, engaged him in debate. But to murder him, and then try to paint him as deserving of what he got is despicable and vile. There is no excuse for executing a man for having the courage to exercise his constitutional rights.
The left hated Charlie Kirk not based on his qualities as a man, but because he was intelligent, kind, and most importantly, he was convincing.
September 11, 2025 @ 8:58 pm
This is a Country blog.I KNOW leftists such as I are viewed far more unfavourably than rightists.
Didn’t know John Fogerty didn’t own his music until 2023,but I’m glad he’s back. (At 72,I lived through the 60’s,which began so promisingly yet ended up in the Altamont and Manson murders,to say nothing of the 1963 and 1968 JFK,Sr.,MLK,Jr. and RFK,Sr. assassinations.It was Dr. King,anticipating this Second Gilded Age in which a commercial re. homelessness can run directly following one about the SIXTY-SIX TRILLION DOLLARS controlled by the Forbes 400,including World’s Richest Chap Elon Musk’s FOUR HUNDRED THIRTY BILLION SMACKERS,said a couple of years before his slaying that America has rugged individualism for the non-wealthy and socialism for the fortunate sons and daughters.Thanks,CCR,for that timeless 1968 hit.)
Finally, though I’m as far from a fan of his reactionary stances as can be imagined,hopefully Charlie Kirk’s slayer(s) will be found and brought to justice.
September 11, 2025 @ 9:01 pm
Kirk lost his life defending the right of Americans to hate and menace each other with 400,000,000+ guns. Think of the irony,righties…
September 11, 2025 @ 9:42 pm
Actions like this is always wrong, no matter the cause.
Left or right; physically attacking someone because of something as banal as political disagreement never solves a thing.
Charlie didn’t deserve this, neither does anyone else flagging their political views.
We got these violent, murderous freaks on both sides, and it’s a very bad sign for our future that these attacks are about to be normalized.
As a nation we’re knee deep in faeces, and no political party can offer a sustainable solution; the problems runs too deep in both parties.
September 12, 2025 @ 2:19 am
When the bullet struck him, Charlie Kirk was having a public conversation with a man who vehemently disagreed with him, at an event Kirk put together to foster such conversations. Kirk specifically invited people such as this man to these events and encouraged them to engage in discussion.
Kirk clearly believed in freedom of expression and discourse and died a violent death, forever silenced, while participating in a debate with someone who had different opinions. THAT”S irony.
He also believed and stated many times his belief in the right of a people to defend themselves not only from criminal attacks on their person but from a tyrannical government, if necessary by the use of arms.
His death by firearm is now being celebrated and he is being mocked by people who claim to hate firearms and use terms like “gun violence”. THAT”S irony.
September 12, 2025 @ 6:14 am
Found the dumbest comment on here. There was no hate in what Kirk was doing. He wanted an open and honest dialog and that should be welcome by all Americans. Just because you disagree with him, doesn’t mean he hated you. He welcomed all opinions and argued against all that he disagreed with. This is the American way. As far as the guns go, the 2nd Amendment was created so the public could defend itself against an oppressive government and those that try to unjustly infringe on you or your property.
September 11, 2025 @ 9:12 pm
Regardless of one’s political affiliation, or whether one means right or left, there is no excuse for assassinating someone for speaking on what they believe. We all have the capability to research and form our own opinions as to whether or not we agree with what is being said. If we, as citizens of this country, lose freedom of speech, we are doomed.
September 11, 2025 @ 9:13 pm
Regardless of one’s political affiliation, or whether one leans right or left, there is no excuse for assassinating someone for speaking on what they believe. We all have the capability to research and form our own opinions as to whether or not we agree with what is being said. If we, as citizens of this country, lose freedom of speech, we are doomed.
September 11, 2025 @ 11:21 pm
Our freedom shrinks by the hour here in the western societies. Every single mayor party in every single nation serves a power, and it’s not the power of the people.
In the end, it’s all about money. They’re bought and sold, from left to right.
September 11, 2025 @ 11:24 pm
I’m not convinced freedom of speech really exists. Don’t believe me? Start talking about bombs next time you step foot on a plane.
That being said, one is free to spread hate, though why anyone would want to spend their life doing so is beyond me.
Ultimately when you make a conscious decision to make your life’s work insulting huge numbers of people, and you do so in a country where the access to firearms is absolutely crazy to every outsider, there may well be repercussions like we saw this week.
September 12, 2025 @ 6:28 am
Freedom of speech does not cover illegal speech. Rude speech and illegal speech are not the same thing. Yelling “bomb” on a plane, or “fire” in a movie theater (without looking up the exact legal definition) is akin to inciting a riot. Aggressively yelling at someone that you are going to kill them is also not free speech – it’s an illegal threat comparable with assault.
Saying trans people are mentally ill is different because gender dysphoria is categorized as a mental illness. Over 50% of GenZ already claims some sort of mental illness. Saying rude things or things other people find offensive is not illegal speech.
I find it ludicrous that you are justifying rude speech as a reason for murder. Speech you do not like doesn’t mean it’s automatically hate speech – and hate speech doesn’t justify murder.
Why are so many liberals absolutely retarded when it comes to understanding the law?
September 12, 2025 @ 8:58 am
I love the way you bring up the trans thing as if that’s the worst thing he said! Not by a long, long shot.
Also, your reading comprehension is appalling if you think that I said that his hate (not rude) speech justified his murder.
If you say such abhorrent things about so many people in a country where you can buy a firearm in a supermarket, you’re increasing the chances of having something happen to you at some time.
And chill with the ‘r word’ dude. I’d like to think that we’re all better than that, no matter political leanings.
September 12, 2025 @ 9:33 am
You used “repercussions” in your final sentence. Either you don’t understand the meaning of that word in the context of Charlie getting murdered for his words, or you are back-peddling. Murder is not a just repercussion for political discourse.
I don’t know what you all believe to be the worst thing that Charlie said. I have seen multiple posts saying Charlie said gays should be stoned, which is not true.
September 12, 2025 @ 9:35 am
Name one supermarket where you can buy a firearm?
Department stores with supermarkets are not classified as supermarkets alone – not that I’m aware of. And are you not aware that background checks exist for firearm purchases?
September 12, 2025 @ 9:51 am
Dude you’re talking to a Brit here, don’t try to justify your gun laws to me. Left, right, or in the middle, we all think your laws are absolutely crazy.
How many school shootings in the last decade, 568? Absolutely disgusting, pathetic and tragic.
September 12, 2025 @ 5:45 pm
30,000 illegals came ashore in a dinghy this year. Your government is led by a party that actively tried to cover up the rape of thousands of girls and your ‘old Bill’ is arresting people over mean tweets. You are not a serious country.
September 12, 2025 @ 4:36 am
Interesting thought. Talking about bombs on a plane is akin to going to a school function and talking about shooting up places for fun, kind of stupid. Freedom is as much a respibsibility as a right. Far as the second part, lots of times you can use hate like you use facts. Ones facts are anothers bullcrap. Ones hate can be anothers beliefs.
September 12, 2025 @ 6:43 am
Technology and tribalism is making many people dumber. It’s baffling to me that people who think they are smarter and morally correct, are justifying murder. What happened to making a better and more compelling argument? Even if the person you’re arguing with isn’t persuaded, others around them should be. I think people on both sides of the aisle are wrong on all kinds of topics and I will not hesitate to argue my beliefs til the bitter end – but in no way would I ever justify or make concessions for people who resort to violence and murder in place of making an argument.
I’ve largely tried to avoid reading the comments online and watching the videos of liberals praising the death of Charlie Kirk, but the ones I have seen are always from the same people that also look like the same soft white dudes who justify stealing from the U-scan in Walmart and Target.
September 13, 2025 @ 6:09 am
I’ve lived in this world for 50 years now, and the last 15 years or so it went down the drain regarding how we’re communicating.
The online life removed “us” from reality. I suspect that too many of “us” treats the world as a big roleplayer game. Young people never learned to talk together,never learned to read a face, never learned how to cooperate across the cultural divide.
Sure, I’m guilty of throwing wet blankets here, but I’m never rude or hateful. That’s not how I was raised. I can swear and cuss with the best of them, but I don’t see the point in such behaviour. Act like that all the time, and the joke is on you, not your target.
Decency isn’t the taste of the times, as far as I can tell. Probably because nobody cared to teach them decency. Rather the opposite; YOU are the centre of the universe, YOU deserve to be spoiled.
It’s a shame, and it will end badly.
September 12, 2025 @ 6:50 am
I’ve seen this idea thrown around in liberal discourse for 10 years now that “words are violence”. It’s not true that words you don’t like are automatically violence. “Dead-naming” a trans person is not killing them. I’m seeing more liberals inverting “words are violence” into believing violence is words (in place of them having an argument)
I will say the vast majority of left leaning people are not praising Charlie Kirk’s death. It’s only a small but loud minority, but that small but loud minority also radically changes culture and is more prone to commit actual crimes. I will repeat that I don’t believe that Charlie Kirk was killed by a leftist because of the incongruities with the details of the shooting and the shooter and how a long range assassination shot do not line up with past recorded events of left-wing violence. The minority justification for the murder bother me.
September 12, 2025 @ 8:56 am
The ultra left is no different than the uber Maga right. I don’t recall too many Maga types on social media shedding any tears after the killings in Minn or when Pelosi’s husband was assaulted with a hammer. Frankly those people are reprehensible. So are those out on social media celebrating another political assanation. Both extremes suck and are pretty much horrible people (many also claim to be Christians). Murder is never justified. The level of discourse in this country has be disgusting…from both extremes. America needs a decency reset.
September 12, 2025 @ 9:41 am
There weren’t Republicans celebrating the Minnesota shootings.
Nancy Pelosi’s husband was attacked by a gay man that he already knew. He was known to engage in homosexual acts with men all around San Francisco. He didn’t sustain any serious injury. There were people making fun of this situation online but it wasn’t understood to be politically motivated – it was one of his drugged out male lovers.
September 12, 2025 @ 12:47 pm
I read plenty of not so nice shit on the internet after all of those attacks. Goes with all the shit said about Pelosi, Hillary, et al. and I don’t care for either of those. My point is this shit goes on with both “sides”. If you think it doesn’t you are sorely mistaken. Like I said both extremes suck.
I don’t agree with what Charlie Kirk was saying most of the time. I don’t agree with a lot of what I hear and read, especially on the internet. Too much anger, Too much hate. Too much blind worship of politiicians. Too much Maga and too much leftist ranting. Like I said we are a pretty broken culture at the moment. The left hates the right, the right hates the left. Everyone says anything they want no matter who it may hurt. We are very fucked up in 2025.
September 12, 2025 @ 12:57 pm
Senator Mike Lee was making jokes about the assassination.
Kirk wanted someone to bail out Pelosi’s attacker. Pelosi did not know his attacker, you’re just making shit up and continue to be allowed to spread lies on here.
September 12, 2025 @ 2:41 pm
Adam S,
“Senator Mike Lee was making jokes about the assassination.”
And, no matter the angle – straight up hate speech.
September 13, 2025 @ 2:56 pm
@strait–
I’d just like to note that everything that “@strait” posted above–from, the facts about Paul Pelosi, to the facts about the assailant, to the injuries sustained by Pelosi is a flat-out lie.
This incident was captured on video and resulted in an arrest and a trial, and the attacker, David DePape even testified as to his motivations. Paule Pelosi was severely injured and almost killed.
From Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Paul_Pelosi
(Or you can google news reports of the trial, if you don’t trust that):
On October 28, 2022, 42-year-old David DePape attacked Paul Pelosi, the husband of Nancy Pelosi, the 52nd Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. DePape beat Paul with a hammer during a home invasion of the couple’s Pacific Heights, San Francisco, residence, leaving him with a fractured skull that required surgery.[6]
San Francisco police arrested DePape at the scene. He planned to take Speaker Nancy Pelosi hostage and interrogate her. Prosecutors believed the attack to be politically motivated. DePape, a Canadian immigrant to the United States, had a history of mental health issues and drug abuse. Before the attack, he had embraced various far-right conspiracy theories, including QAnon, Pizzagate, and Donald Trump’s false claims of a stolen election in 2020. Online, he made conspiratorial, racist, sexist, and antisemitic posts, and pushed COVID-19 vaccine misinformation. His blog also contained delusional thoughts. At his subsequent trial, DePape testified that he was motivated by conspiracy theories and had hatched a “grand plan” to target Speaker Pelosi and others.
On October 31, DePape was charged with two federal crimes: assault of an immediate family member of a federal official with the intent to retaliate against the official on account of the performance of official duties; and attempted kidnapping of a federal official on account of the performance of official duties. He was also charged with six state felonies, including attempted murder, residential burglary, assault with a deadly weapon, and elder abuse. Within days, prominent right-wing figures, including former president Donald Trump, shared disinformation and misinformation about the attack, casting doubt on the assailant’s motives and claiming that the attack was a false flag operation. Other politicians, including Democrats and Republicans, condemned the attack.
DePape was convicted of the federal charges on November 16, 2023. On May 17, 2024, he was sentenced to 30 years in prison and five years of supervised release from the federal charges. DePape was also convicted of five state charges on June 21, 2024, and subsequently sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole on October 29, 2024.
I believe that the murder of Charlie Kirk and the attempted murder of Paul Pelosi were both horrific and despicable crimes and both criminals should be condemned.
No-one who jokes about, lies about, or endorses one of those crimes has any moral standing to condemn someone else who jokes. lies, etc., about the other.
September 13, 2025 @ 1:23 pm
“The ultra left is no different than the uber Maga right.”
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/middle-ground
September 12, 2025 @ 5:26 am
I virulently disagree with Kirk;NO FREAKIN’ WAY would I have even pondered shooting or in any other way harming him.This sort of disgusting act is caused by America’s shrinking middle class,which leads to the USA’s being a “winner take all” society,thus seemingly justifying all manner of violent rhetoric (which can,unfortunately,result in murder by unhinged individuals) towards political foes who,in a much more equitable country,would be seen as adversaries (and the compatriots they are) rather than enemies.Guess this old black leftist cowboy will get off his soapbox.
September 13, 2025 @ 7:35 am
This old fashioned conservative agree wholeheartedly with you.
There’s a first time for everything, said the old virgin and fell badly upon her walking cane.
September 12, 2025 @ 6:26 am
Shoe’s on the other foot now. You guys said so much shit about George Floyd and black people that his own daughter can’t even go to school because of all the bulllying. Now they get to make fun of Charlie Kirk and all his co-horts.
What can I say but:
https://youtu.be/R0IUR4gkPIE?si=VV0oljw2TnaY-tvC
September 12, 2025 @ 7:59 am
Who are you referring to with “you guys”? I think most people were appalled by the death of George Floyd, including conservatives, White people, and many country music fans. Many also didn’t like the violence and destruction that occurred afterwards, or maybe turning Mr. Floyd into a saint. But this is a classic case of taking extreme online sentiments, and using them to paint large swaths of the population with a broad brush.
September 12, 2025 @ 8:52 am
“But this is a classic case of taking extreme online sentiments, and using them to paint large swaths of the population with a broad brush.”
So exactly what is happening here with some of your commentators, and by the President, trying to limit speech he doesn’t like. Every media source and Democratic politician has denounced this but that’s not stopping republicans from Cherry picking comments.
September 12, 2025 @ 11:04 am
As another Brit I can assure you that we don’t all think your gun laws are crazy. A substantial minority believe we should have the right to own guns for the purpose of defending life, property and liberty. Orwell was right, every Englishman should have a rifle above the mantlepiece as a hedge against tyrannical government.
Also as a Brit I can assure you that our typical leftist likes to use the royal we far to often. They also don’t like the words ‘retard’ or ‘retarded’, using such language is considered uncouth and a marker of low status. So, naturally, English deplorables use it at any given opportunity. “You’re such a mong” or “stop being a spastic” are acceptable substitutes.
September 13, 2025 @ 8:55 am
I hope England can save itself. My ancestors came from there.
September 12, 2025 @ 6:08 pm
Hey Trig,
I’m surprised that you allowed the Communist “Non-white Arghoslent fan” to post a death threat couched as a You Tube video on your website.
I’m hoping it’s because you didn’t click on it and not that you are okay with death threats being posted on your website.
September 13, 2025 @ 1:17 pm
Trig,
I’m genuinely surprised that you left the death threat up. If you’re going to allow death threats, why delete anything? Serious question.
September 13, 2025 @ 2:13 pm
“But this is a classic case of taking extreme online sentiments, and using them to paint large swaths of the population with a broad brush.”
THANK YOU, and well said, Trigger. This happens way too much on both the right and left. Why would the reasonable majority of us want to amplify the deranged sentiments of a small, vocal number of fringe lunatics?
Social media has brought out the worst of us by exposing the very worst of us and making the rest of us think that’s how everybody “on the other side” actually thinks.
September 14, 2025 @ 11:43 am
Trig,
What is the logic for leaving the death threat up? I know you don’t support death threats, and I know death threats are the lowest bar possible from a what-should-be-deleted standpoint. So, why leave it up?
September 14, 2025 @ 11:48 am
Because I wanted to dispel a canard with my response to it.
Everyone needs to quit whining about the damn comments.
September 14, 2025 @ 11:57 am
I’m not whining. I was just genuinely surprised you’d leave it up. Thank you for answering my question.
September 12, 2025 @ 8:11 am
LOL.
This country fundamentally changed itself, rioted, and pulled down statues over Floyd.
September 12, 2025 @ 1:04 pm
Non-white Arghoslent Fan? I’m not sure how to feel about that. They could write some awesome music. Their lyrical content could some times teeter at the edge of explicitly racist or recounting history, but the band members made their stance known.
September 12, 2025 @ 6:47 am
A Minor Correction
Thanks for posting the Jesse Welles video. It’s amazing how quickly he can write quality songs that are relevant to what’s happening in the news that day. Just a quick note to point out that Charlie Daniels was not the first recipient of the Spirit of Americana Free Speech Award. That would be Johnny Cash. I was there that night when he and June performed together publicly for the last time before her death. Charlie Daniels was actually the fifth recipient after Cash, Kris Kristofferson, Steve Earle, and Judy Collins. I know that’s not really the point of your piece, but it’s worth clarifying. Thanks!
September 12, 2025 @ 8:02 am
Hey Scott,
Thanks for the correction. So I was unable to pull up a list or verify who all the recipients were of the Free Speech Award. The reason I included that anecdote is because I heard Jed Hilly of the AMA issue it at the Awards a couple of years ago. I did clarify the language in the article.
September 13, 2025 @ 6:16 pm
@scott B–Wow, I can say I’ve personally seen all of those Spirit of Americana award winners, except for Charlie Daniels. Saw Judy Collins a decade ago when she was doing a joint tour with Stephen Stills–of Crosby Stills Nash & Young– her one-time partner.
They each married diferent people. For an odd bit of trivia, Judy’s later husband, Louis Nelson was an industrial and commercial designer, who designed the Mural Wall for the Korean War Veterans Memorial in D.C. and, somewhat oddly, the Nutrition facts label that’s on the side or the back of every packaged food container. He died of cancer last year. Per the Intrnet, I see she still has a concert schedule.
September 12, 2025 @ 6:59 am
Censoring Left wing comments and allowing insults from the Right, is that the move now Trig? You’ve let Hank 33 post multiple creepy insults, yet allow no rebuttal, whether it contains an insult or not. Why is that?
September 12, 2025 @ 8:08 am
Hank 33 is literally in this same comments section complaining about being censored, and specifically because I come from the left. I can’t express enough how people are drawing conclusions off of things they can’t see, namely comments I delete, which have been very few in this comments section due to the nature of the content. But I have deleted some. I’m not saying I’m the perfect comment moderator. I’m a professional music writer, not a comment referee. But I do the best I can, and ask everyone to be respectful of these comments sections so I don’t have to moderate anyone.
September 12, 2025 @ 8:57 am
“I’m not saying I’m the perfect comment moderator.”
Understatement of the year.
The difference is, Hank and his like want to say hateful comments about anyone they dislike, while the left wants the chance to respond to that hate, or for it not to be here on a country music site.
Deleting comments doesn’t solve the problem. Actually calling out bullshit before others feel the need to respond would help.
September 12, 2025 @ 9:33 am
If you think that Trig is more likely to censor left wing comments you haven’t been paying attention.
September 12, 2025 @ 10:24 am
That was the implication…
September 12, 2025 @ 7:28 am
In my opinion, describing Mr. Kirk as “doggedly principled” is not accurate.
“Conservative and doggedly principled, he became famous for his back and forth with college students on campuses about political issues.”
🛐🛐🛐 May God have mercy on Mr. Kirk’s soul and give comfort and strength to his family.
Unfortunately, also my opinion of Mr. Kirk is along the lines of the below verse:
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. … Their end will correspond to their deeds.
September 12, 2025 @ 7:44 am
That is a lofty assertion brother.
Are you willing to elaborate biblically why you have come to that conclusion about Mr Kirk’s salvation? Not saying I agree or disagree, but the man professed Christ and clearly presented the Gospel publicly time and time again. Curious how you are accessing the man’s fruit to come to the conclusion he was a false apostle???
September 12, 2025 @ 12:06 pm
You ain’t kidding. Good thing I don’t make the call, cause if I was making the call, I would likely be sending myself the the ‘not-good’ place.
As far as Mr. Kirk there are plenty of place to find his anti-Jesus rhetoric while saying he is a Christian. Your mileage may vary but one example that I think supports my assertion. Funny thing is that many might say that the example opposes my assertion. Crazy times brother.
QUOTE “It’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights,” he said during an April 5, 2023, appearance at the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church. “That is a prudent deal.” QUOTE
I would also like to say that anytime among Christians if there is uncertainly or debate, I think it prudent to “LET JESUS BE THE TIE-BREAKER.” I pray and hope that is we do this honestly and with love we would end of agreeing with Jesus. I know, I am an idealistic fool. 😁😁😁
🛐☮️❤️✝️✡️☪️
Blessings.
September 12, 2025 @ 2:17 pm
I want to make sure I understand your assertion on Mr. Kirk and his salvation correctly.
You view him as being anti Christ, a tool of the enemy because of his position on the 2nd amendment????
Seems like far from charitable take on man (Mr. Kirk) who claims Christ and points the lost to the Gospel, publicly I might add.
September 12, 2025 @ 6:31 pm
It is one of many examples of Mr. Kirk’s anti-Christian rhetoric. This example is not about the 2nd amendment itself as much as Mr. Kirk’s defining the 2nd amendment as ‘God-given rights’ and acceptance of gun murders for that ‘God-given right.’
There are many more examples of Mr. Kirk’s anti-Christian divisive rhetoric via the below link.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs
He may claim Christ, but his teachings are anti-Christian in my opinion.
September 12, 2025 @ 8:59 pm
My dear brother.
Going to the Guardian. A completely secular left leaning media company. That obviously was taking his comments out of context to slander Mr. Kirk (an 8th commandment violation) to make your argument about whether or not Mr. Kirk is in Christ, is left wanting and pretty weak.
When it comes to murder. I remember you Mr Hamster advocating for women who murder their unborn children when American Aquarium released the song about a couple wanting to kill their unborn child.
Does that warrant me to question the legitimacy of your salvation.
Seems a little hypocritical my friend.
Praying the one triune God softens your heart to receive this with love.
September 13, 2025 @ 2:56 pm
Mr. Kirk said what he said. The source does not change the toxic words which are anti-Christian in my opinion.
You have a heart for Mr. Kirk. Bless you. At my best, my heart is for our God, Mr. Kirk, and others who are hungry, imprisoned, sick, vulnerable, exploited, alone, homeless, the stranger. I fail often but in my opinion many of Mr. Kirk’s public opinions are not aligned with Jesus’ model and teachings.
Thank you for your prayers. I will be praying for you too, Christian.
God is good.
May he have mercy on Mr. Kirk
🛐☮️❤️✝️✡️☪️
Matthew 25:35-36 NIV
[35] For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, [36] I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
https://bible.com/bible/111/mat.25.35-40
September 12, 2025 @ 8:03 am
Pathetic, Kyle.
September 12, 2025 @ 8:13 am
Hundreds of thousands of people across X, Reddit, Bluesky, Facebook, etc are celebrating Kirk’s murder.
Interesting how Wikipedia says Murder of George Floyd but the Shooting of Charlie Kirk.
September 12, 2025 @ 9:00 am
Lmao hundreds of thousands? You’re delusional.
You regurgitate right wing talking points. Did you even go to the Wikipedia article or just see the image floating around right wing media. There are two disclaimers at the top of the article explaining why they are currently using the terminology they are.
September 13, 2025 @ 9:02 am
Yes, Wikipedia put out spin explaining why they have double standards. Now it is the Killing of Charlie Kirk. It should be called murder. Just like Iryna Zarutska’s should be murder, not killing.
I browsed social media and saw tons of leftists celebrating his death.
Deflect all you want but those comments exist.
Your side displayed its craven behavior. Don’t disagree with us or we will blow you away.
September 12, 2025 @ 10:00 am
Remember ‘By any means necessary’? That’s been the MO of the left for decades. From Lenin to today’s Democrats. Look at how the Democrat leadership have behaved recently, defending illegal criminals over Americans. There’s no breaking bread with them. I know some decent people who identify as leftists, but at least half of America’s leftys are sick degenerates. The other half think their truth is the only truth and are therefore offended by other opinions. They are the ones saying “Well, Charlie Kirk didn’t deserve to die, but he said a lot of hateful things”. Meaning: things that question their worldview. Look at the old liberal ladies putting hands on people who ask them to explain their position on transgenders. There’s so many videos of antifa scum attacking old people, spitting on women etc. Feral f#cking rats. Democrats fueled the fire during the ‘Summer of love’, Harris asking to donate to the bail fund used to put rioters and repeat offenders back on the streets. Evil. We’ll see if the right finally finds it’s balls and starts treating the left as they treat us. My five cents haha.
September 13, 2025 @ 7:44 am
Worst thing about all this; they’re not politically convinced. They’re just sheeps following the latest trend.
We saw it during the King riots and during the Floyd riots; wrecking havoc, stealing, murder, violence. That’s what it was all about.
No, they couldn’t care less about Floyd or Kirk. They just want to behave aggressive, and a shooting of someone who’s not to the liking of the entitled, hip crowd is a justified target for their need to be seen.
September 12, 2025 @ 10:40 am
There was already a trial that deemed George Floyds killing a murder.
September 12, 2025 @ 11:16 am
And O.J. didn’t kill Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman.
September 12, 2025 @ 8:25 am
RIP Charlie. Apparently, some folks didn’t watch a full episode of any of the youtube campus visits. He seemed to be a decent guy. I guess the interwebs dehumanize and desensitize. 🙁
September 12, 2025 @ 9:39 am
You seem to have a very low threshold for what makes someone a decent guy!
September 12, 2025 @ 1:20 pm
So a homophobic, transphobic, borderline racist who actually spewed ALOT of toxic rhetoric (look it up, it’s out there) is considered “decent”? Got it. 🤔
September 12, 2025 @ 3:57 pm
So someone who disagrees with you is can not be decent?
What does borerline racist even mean?
September 12, 2025 @ 5:29 pm
Dude, you want us to believe Dylan mulvaney is a pretty woman. If we say no, we are transphobic. I don’t care what adults get up to and if you want to celebrate mental illness, be my guest, but don’t expect others to follow.
September 13, 2025 @ 11:58 am
Nobody ever called Biden decent.
September 12, 2025 @ 10:32 am
For the record, Trig, I’m very politically aware (right/libertarian leaning) and I’ve been visiting this site daily for over a decade, and I’m not still not sure where you stand on many issues people would consider “political”. You do a damn fine job as a journalist.
Don’t let the bastards get you down.
September 12, 2025 @ 10:35 am
Both Jesse Welles and this article miss a broader point of civility. Even if we should have the right to say what we mean all the time, we should choose not to. That is etiquette, and it has always existed to hold together people of disparate leanings and styles.
September 12, 2025 @ 4:00 pm
That is why they shot him. We are just supposed to shut up and take it.
No more.
September 12, 2025 @ 7:58 pm
Thank you.
Very much agreed. Especially as someone who has a tendency to have things come out wrong and people get offended.
Life isn’t all that short. We can take the time to assess if our words will do more good than harm.
I will give Jesse a listen to one day, but that comment really lowered my opinion of him.
September 12, 2025 @ 11:33 am
Man, seeing people on a country music website whine incessantly about being moderated by Trigger on here is pretty hilarious. Everyone’s a victim, it seems.
Congrats on being able to think for yourselves, fellas! Lotta great ideas being exchanged here.
September 12, 2025 @ 11:47 am
The irony here is that I’ve deleted maybe three comments that were so over-the-top, it was insane, out of 145 comments and counting. The idea I’m deleting comments all over the place is just ludicrous. People just need to stop complaining.
September 12, 2025 @ 1:00 pm
All three were mine.
September 13, 2025 @ 6:01 am
You gonna be ok, big guy Hank 33?
September 13, 2025 @ 9:05 am
It was more than three of mine alone; so Trigger lies about how much he censors.
September 13, 2025 @ 7:48 am
No shit, Sherlock…
In other words; when it rains, it gets wet.
September 12, 2025 @ 12:40 pm
i GET IT. You feel this should be written about. That’s fine. IDK. I am looking to escape this type of stuff right now and come to SCM for music and some relief. Didn’t need this.
September 12, 2025 @ 1:35 pm
Trig, does this website log IP addresses of commenters?
Asking for a friend.
September 12, 2025 @ 1:49 pm
IP addresses are logged in a secure location, but since We use Cloudflare since the Morgan Wallen attack, that’s all handled via a 3rd party.
September 13, 2025 @ 7:50 am
Someone attacked this site because of something related to Wallen?
He’s not worth the struggle.
September 12, 2025 @ 7:10 pm
I come here for the country music. I understand that it originated in America and therefore American politics seeps in but sometimes this website is way too American centric.
September 13, 2025 @ 6:04 am
You dont havr to read every article or cone to the comnents srction. Freedom to choose.
September 13, 2025 @ 10:56 pm
On the other hand, as a non-American, I learn a lot about the current state of American society in the comments here. And you can’t separate that from country music when you listen to that music, I think.
For me this is all very interesting and I draw my conclusions from it.
September 12, 2025 @ 8:48 pm
You can say anything you like denying this, Kyle Coroneos, but respect. It was inspired to think “How can I work Charlie Kirk into SCM?” and have an Arnold Horshack moment. “Ooh, ooh. Jesse Welles talked about freedom of speech in his acceptance! I can use that! Whoot! Kirk will drive traffic!” I can understand needing revenue, but be honest. Regardless of politics and/or view on Kirk’s murder, it has absolutely nothing to do with saving country music. It’s laughable. It doesn’t matter if you’re Adam S., Old Country Fan, Country Knight or Hank33. If honest, all know that the article is nothing but getting views The connection to saving country music is tangential, if that. Congratulations. You found a way to work a controversial event that will bring traffic, but has nothing to do with keeping country music, for lack of a better term, “pure”, into your blog. Again, respect.
September 12, 2025 @ 10:02 pm
I’ve explained this over and over again, so I apologize if I repeat myself.
First, COMMENTS DON’T EQUAL TRAFFIC. Full stop. The things that people THINK get traffic on this website, and the things that actually do get traffic are two completely different things. The obituary for Robby Turner got 10X the traffic this one did. Why? Because Saving Country Music was the only outlet that reported on it for some 72 hours. Guess what, EVERY outlet is posting Charlie Kirk articles. So is Saving Country Music going to compete in the algorithm with CNN and Fox News? Of course not, it’s going to get buried.
Also, online publishing is a dead business model. It’s been over since Q1 of 2023 when the entire space was eviscerated after online advertising budgets fell off a cliff. Nothing makes money any more. Even if you have an article that gets tons of “clicks,” there is no way to monetize them except at nominal levels.
Furthermore, there are two types of “clicks.” There are “unique” clicks, and there are recurring clicks. This comments section is mostly the same dozen meat heads arguing back and forth with each other, and mostly about the comments themselves. You can only get one unique click per day. This means that after Hank 33 clicks on this website once, any subsequent clicks are virtually worthless.
Do your research. Online print publishing is a bloodbath. It’s over. And the only reason I didn’t quit two years ago is I’m too stubborn.
The idea that I am making any sort of editorial decisions based off of “clicks” is ludicrous, because even clicks don’t amount to revenue.
I was at the Americana Music Awards where Jesse Welles was bestowed the Free Speech Award. I witnessed John Fogerty perform some his most iconic songs from the Ryman stage after decades of not being able to. Then afterwards, I saw the news about Charlie Kirk. I woke up the next morning intending to write about something completely different, and was inspired to write this. That’s the truth of the matter. Strange how for the first 48 hours, I received a lot of compliments on this article. Now it’s all about how it’s “click bait.” If I was into posting for clicks, I’d never write an album review, I’d never publish playlist updates, I’d never publish tour dates for bands, or announcements of independent festivals. Go check out Whiskey Riff. You’ll find out real quick what actual click bait is.
September 13, 2025 @ 6:30 am
I assume this lack of revenue in articles is due to advertisers deciding that people only do Tik Tok videos. We both know that’s not true at all, but advertisers chase the youth demographic for various reasons to the exclusion of a fertile and viable older demographic made up of adults with some expendable income. Am I halfway right on this?
At Earl Scruggs Fest in was talking to a fellow photographer shooting for No Depression, I mentioned the latest column format where they cut article length down to a very miniscule size, and her reply was ” nobody reads anymore.”
I think that’s hyperbole, but I assume it’s based on advertisers marketing data.
September 13, 2025 @ 8:34 am
I’ve been at the AmericanaFest music conference all week. The recurring theme has been nobody listens to radio anymore, nobody reads articles anymore, and the entire conventional media industry is imploding due to TikTok and social media. Podcast and even long form videos are suffering. The entire industry is in a free fall.
If I was simply doing this to get clicks, I would be posting all the back and forths between Charley Crockett and Gavin Adcock, like very single other media outlet in country music has done. I wouldn’t have posted a deep, nuanced discussion about Charlie Kirk and Freedom of Speech. I would have posted 25+ articles highlighting every country artist who’s mention him from stage after his death like Whiskey Riff has done. Here I am trying to be a responsible media citizen and try to instill conversation back into complex issues, and I’m getting shit from my own readers about posting for clicks. The irony couldn’t be any more rich.
For the record, Saving Country Music still gets a sizable amount of traffic, and since I never really hired staff or went heavy into trying to buld a media empire, I have been able to survive. But NOBODY is getting rich in this space. Nobody. Trust me.
September 13, 2025 @ 12:57 pm
I hear you. I know for a fact people still read. I see people all the time reading, I still see people reading books etc. The over 40 crowd i can pretty much guarantee reads, your audience here reads. If im understanding this, the advertisers don’t see it that way, they need astronomically high clicks to be convinced, so they aren’t paying as much as they used to on these kind of sites. But again aren’t they just obsessed with the teen and 20- something demographic?
September 13, 2025 @ 6:35 am
Of course comments don’t equal traffic. I didn’t say they did. An article about a news event shows up in people feeds. If it a subject they’ve shown interest in, algorithms get the article to them. An article with Charlie Kirk in the title is going to draw traffic. Lots of it. Some of those people will also be excited to have another comments section to read and possibly post in. You thought of a way to justify publishing an article about a current political assassination on a music website. Genius. Now you can benefit from the views. End of.
September 13, 2025 @ 8:39 am
Doug,
I see the numbers. This is what I do for a living. I know how the algorithms work. And I know how to post content to get clicks, if that is what I was out for. That’s not what this article is. And you and others seem to be just completely glossing over the Jesse Welles/John Fogerty aspect of this article. I was the first outlet to cover Jesse Welles in his new incarnation. He’s the reigning Saving Country Music Songwriter of the Year. He released a song about the death of Charlie Kirk. The whole theme of this article is how music can override political acrimony. If you don’t think this is a music article on a music website about a guy that has been covered here many times before, I don’t know what to tell you. Is there a political tie-in to it? Yes. And that tie-in is how politics is LESS effective for bringing about social change than music, and how we ALL should respect the Freedom of Speech.
September 13, 2025 @ 9:11 am
You’re right. I honestly do not know how your business works. I’m a human, therefore I can get worked up and talk out of my ass. I regret posting both comments
What is true is that the comments section of SCM is fodder for those believing country music is for bigots and such. I know that you think you allow a “robust” comment section, but you can’t deny that rightly or wrongly, it aligns your site with intolerance. “Free speech should only be allowed if ut aligns with eternal truth” “Either renounce your beliefs, or rot in a cell” Obviously you are fine with that alignment. That doesn’t mean you necessarily agree with that alignment, but you are fine with contributing to it. Those numerous extreme political comments from several different people can show up in any article, but you know that they will definitely dominate an article such as this one.
September 13, 2025 @ 5:34 pm
Hey Doug,
I 100% agree that this comments section has lost me readers, and I’ve tried to make that point numerous times to folks, and requested they respect this space and try to keep comments on the music.
But I have people in this very comments section you can see folks saying my moderation is too slanted on the left, too slanted on the right, that I should be ashamed for censoring comments, that I should censor comments more, and that I’m even partially responsible for the killing of Charlie Kirk because I previously deleted the sharing of conspiracy theories that Antifa was planning high-profile assassinations.
One thing that I will say is that there are ample people in these comments sections speaking up from a left-leaning point-of-view, including challenging people with a right-leaning point-of-view. In fact, it’s about 50/50. The difference is people on the right love to argue with people on the left. And people on the left feel like people on the right should not be allowed to speak.
This article is primarily about Jesse Welles, who is an activist protest song writer. If people want to take away this is a right-leaning website simply because I allow some people on the right to speak, then they’re missing the forest for the trees.
I request for EVERYONE to be more respectful in the comments, both to each other, and to this website. But ultimately, the comments are optional, and don’t reflect the viewpoint of this website. They are there so other viewpoints can be offered.
September 13, 2025 @ 3:56 pm
Those people who think country music is for bigots already thought before coming here.
Their beliefs are laughable and should be mocked.
September 13, 2025 @ 5:16 pm
True, Mr. Knight, they did, but the volumes and volumes of bigoted comments play into their hands.
September 13, 2025 @ 6:09 pm
When “conspiracy theories” come true and you still call them “conspiracy theories” you are gaslighting.
I am telling you straight up, they will do violence at country music events, which, like conservative colleges, are considered low hanging fruit
Aldean and Adcock concert goers are considered fair targets.
Review the Adcock album as you said you would.
There is a deepening divide in country and in our Country
Let’s see how fair you are regarding the songs themselves, minus politics.
Let’s see you Save Country Music.
Now is your chance.
Be like Jesse Welles.
Be the piper that leads US to reason.
September 13, 2025 @ 12:18 pm
Dear Doug; if you’re ever in Austin, you should take a drive through West Lake Hills, find the property at 1812 Basin Ledge and take a look at mr. Coroneos’ architectural gem with 5, 300 square feet of interior living space and 1, 800 square feet of covered outdoor areas.
It should be easy to find, just look for the silver Bentley, the yellow Lamborghini and the three red Corvette’s from the 60’s in the driveway.
All paid for by this site. Yessir!
September 13, 2025 @ 1:24 pm
In my defense, I never said that I believe Kyle is wealthy. I just stupidly assumed posting this article would increase his revenue. Again, I regrettably spoke about something I know very little about.
September 13, 2025 @ 1:59 pm
Thinking before we speak, is like wiping before we take a shit.
We’ve all been there.
September 13, 2025 @ 3:57 pm
You do that all the time.
September 13, 2025 @ 6:44 pm
Speaking of talking about things that someone knows very little about…You think your cache of knowledge gives you commenting cachet. Why not admit your error regarding cache vs. cachet? Nothing wrong with ignorance, as long as we learn from it.
September 13, 2025 @ 4:38 pm
Doug Carter is the Jelly Roll of Saving Country Music comments…he’s everywhere and everyone is just hoping he goes away…
September 13, 2025 @ 5:14 pm
No.I commented on this article and the one where you, Dan, posted multiple muli-paragraph comments. And I also made a minor comment on another article. Your analogy is poor.
September 13, 2025 @ 7:07 pm
My analogy is middle class and also the best analogy ever made…
September 13, 2025 @ 7:22 pm
I Thought everyone here dug Carter.
September 13, 2025 @ 6:28 am
Going back and looking at all the comments on here and elsewhere, its hard not to be amused even when dealing with someones unfortunate death. A couple of things. Firstly i believe that anyone that comments on here or anywhere for that matter and turns off replies should be banned permanently. Dont want to talk the talk, dont walk the walk. Secondly i never went out of my way to listen to charlie kirk and from my view, i dont think a lot of people commenting on here did either. His stuff just came at them in bits and pieces. Most of the so called hateful stuff he said can be googled and found to be out of context, even gives you the words around them to explain why and how it was taken out of context. Those little videos of him talking are used as weapons against him. When you referencing those, you need to check the info first before stating it as facts. Context of words always matter.
September 16, 2025 @ 6:30 am
The whining and negativity on here is crazy. I’ve come to this site just about every day since I discovered it a couple years back because I’m interested in 99% of what gets covered. I love the frequency, relevancy and quality of articles written. Keep doing what you’re doing Trig. Please.
Ignore everything else.