Cody Jinks Talks New Album, New Music, New Sobriety
Editor’s Note: This interview was conducted by Jason W. Ashcraft, with additional reporting by Kyle “Trigger” Coroneos. Photos by Jason W. Ashcraft.
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Years from now, future generations of country fans will look back on Cody Jinks like we look back upon Willie and Waylon during the Outlaw era of the 70s. He changed the game, broke down barriers, and rewrote the possibilities for independent artists. While many of his peers at the top of independent country have signed to major labels, Jinks has worked to divest himself even more from any other entity bigger than himself. Jinks isn’t just the star, he’s also the boss.
Cody Jinks was one of the headliners at last week’s massive Bourbon & Beyond festival in Louisville, Kentucky. Before he took the main stage for his highly anticipated set, Jinks sat down with Saving Country Music reporter Jason W. Ashcraft to talk about his recent sobriety, as well as his music. This includes a re-issue of his album 30 coming September 27th, his long-rumored tribute to Lefty Frizzell, future music on the way, and his currently album Change The Game.
“My life’s kind of an open book and ‘Change the Game’ is that,” Jinks says about the March release. “It was a tough record to write. It was a tough record to record because I was going through a lot in my life. My family was going through a lot. And in a lot of ways, we still are. It was a shedding of some skin. And quite frankly, I had to quit drinking because it was taking me down mentally.”
Jinks says that getting sober was a transformational moment in his life that was both dramatically unburdening, but challenging on a personal and social level.
“I had to learn how to be sober. I was 43 years old and I took my first sober plane ride. I played my first sober show. I had my first Halloween party at my house that my wife and I host every year, sober. I had to learn how to do everything again. So you’re talking about writing and working on a really heavy record. And at the same time, I’m trying to get sober. I left on the road and didn’t come home for 14 years. My kids didn’t know me. They’re teenagers now. So I’ve been righting a lot of wrongs with my family.”
Jinks continues, “I’d never been who I am, if that makes any sense. So finding myself, going through an identity crisis, going through imposter syndrome, and going through all these things that you don’t look at somebody on stage and go, ‘Wow, that person is going through that? Well, they sure do look so confident up there, don’t they?’ But sometimes we’re up there freaking out. And that’s a reflection of that record.”
Add on top of getting sober and recording an album, at this same time, Cody Jinks decided to part with his long time management, True Grit.
“Being sober, it cleared up a lot of bandwidth,” Jinks says. “It gave me the mental capacity to be able to shoulder all of this stuff. I have 30 employees, man. We’re running a bunch of people out here and these aren’t people that work for a record label. These people work for me.”
Cody Jinks says he’s got lots of new music coming out in the coming months and years, including his reissue of 30 from 2012 out September 27th.
“It’s a re-release remaster of my ’30’ record we did years ago with a bonus track. December, we’re dropping a Lefty Frizzell tribute record I recorded about four years ago. Finally gonna get that out, see the light of day. Next year, we’re releasing two EPs I believe, or we may just do one big record of hodgepodge of a whole bunch of different kind of stuff that we think is really cool that we’ve recorded, that we’ve sat on for years. So we’re just going to dump a bunch of content this next year.”
At the same time, Cody Jinks is also working on his next proper, big studio release.
“We just got out of the studio in June. We’re going to go back into the studio in February of 2025. And probably one or two more times in ’25 in between the tour cycle. And I’m looking at major record release, the big thing, not just, ‘Hey, we’re dumping content,’ but like the big thing in January of 2026. Because we’ll be almost two years removed from ‘Change the Game’ at that point.”
And all of this comes as Cody continues a relentless touring schedule that has included his own major headliner dates, as well as opening massive arena and stadium shows for some of the biggest names in country music. Where it used to be that major label artists would book opening acts from their label’s roster, now they’re insisting Jinks open for them, even with no affiliation with any label whatsoever, simply because Cody Jinks is who they want revving up their crowd.
“I just went out on a stadium tour with Luke Combs and was treated better than I’ve ever been treated by anybody,” Jinks says. “Eric Church took us out last year. That’s two huge country names. I’m very thankful for that, and I’m very guarded. I still don’t play with anybody I don’t want to play with. If if I’m on a bill it’s because I want to be there. People are opening for me because I want them opening for me because I want to give our crowd a great show with a great support act, be it two or three of them.”
As Cody’s stature has grown, his sound has also evolved. He might be about to release a Lefty Frizzell tribute album, but he’s not even sure if he should be called country anymore.
“I think we’re a rock and roll band or just an American band that that that has a steel. That’s my honky tonk roots because where we came from. We’re out there throwing down triple leads with two smoking guitars and a steel. We’ve kind of evolved into just this big mishmash of just American music. And I’m proud of that. You could put us in a biker bar. You could put us opening for George Strait. We just played a show with Black Label Society. You can put us with anybody. We will hold our own.”
Beau
September 23, 2024 @ 11:55 am
Ask you and you shall receive! After I was just talking about maybe finally giving up hope on seeing the teased Lefty tribute album, here Jinks says it’s just a couple of months away! What great news!
Yo
September 23, 2024 @ 12:00 pm
Great interview. That last quote makes me nervous though.
Steel&Antlers
September 23, 2024 @ 12:03 pm
“I think we’re a rock and roll band or just an American band that that that has a steel.”
Wouldn’t mind him really leaning into the rock thing for an album considering this statement and his background in the genre. Something rock centered with country influences would be cool, like Social Distortion or Alice In Chains’ “Jar of Flies”, which are both big influences on him (he’s always wearing Social D shirts and has put out a AIC cover of “Don’t Follow”with Casper McWade). The last few albums have just kind of all flowed together for me, I need something new with his sound to really recapture my full interest.
That said, he’s really done more than enough and even if he never made music again it would be hard for me to be too mad at it. That 10 year stretch in the 2010s was legendary and a major influence on me.
Sean
September 24, 2024 @ 5:16 am
I see to remember him saying a while back he had a ‘band’ with one of the guys from Corrosion of Conformity maybe? I’d love to hear this come out one day.
SMarco
September 27, 2024 @ 4:47 pm
I feel like he leaned in plenty on his last album. At this point, he’s just saying the quiet part out loud.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
September 23, 2024 @ 12:44 pm
There is a section on my CD shelf, specifically reserved for artists I discovered through saving country music. Cody Jinks probably takes up the second most slots behind Sturgill Simpson.
i cannot not imagine what a Cody Jinks sings Lefty Frizzell album might sound like. But I’m going to buy it and wear it out anyway.
One of the interesting things, that me, a serious country, music, nerd, and historian, take delight in whenever these tribute albums are released, is that they always have a couple more obscure songs by the featured artist, the tributee, if you will.
I am hoping that this will not be just the top 10 standard Lefty Frizzell songs that everyone is already familiar with, and has a few deep dives to enjoy
It will be interesting to see what the future holds, and how the community will react to Cody Jinks questioning his country music status. Especially considering he was one of the people named country music savior, and the poster child, for we hate pop country.
For a while, it seemed like every new artist first received the title of country music Savior, then lost it to the next artist, as people kept searching for that one country artist to drive the snakes out of Nashville
Just keep it
September 23, 2024 @ 2:35 pm
Lame. Good for him I guess. Another rich guy wants it all after getting rich patronizing average people for a decade or so. Enjoy it, change the game huh? Yeah I guess you’ve changed man.
Trigger
September 23, 2024 @ 3:47 pm
Weird comment. One thing you commonly hear from recovering alcoholics is how hard it is because so many of your friends resent you and what you’re trying to do.
Mike Basile
September 23, 2024 @ 5:24 pm
True that – both sentences. Really lived that second sentence myself, but the journey and the daily reward was (and is) worth it.
trevistrat
September 24, 2024 @ 4:49 am
If they resent you because you’re trying to get clean, they might not really be your friends to start with. Just sayin’.
Sbach
September 23, 2024 @ 4:06 pm
Huh? Dafuq you talking about?
Matsfan/Jatsfan
September 23, 2024 @ 4:35 pm
Curious…What is lame? Sobriety? Only playing with who he wants? Moving to a more rock or “American” sound? Doing what is right for him at this time? Having 30 employees? Him being “rich”? Not sure of the context.
Good for him on all accounts.
Jt
September 23, 2024 @ 5:25 pm
What a douche comment. ‘Wanting it all after getting rich’????? wtf is that supposed to mean?
Ridiculing a guy for getting sober? Are you jealous of someone’s sobriety? What are you even mad about dude???
Skyler Peters
September 24, 2024 @ 8:19 am
More like a lame comment. He busts his ass obviously. He obviously cares about who he has surrounding him and he does not have a record label piggybacking off him. And him being sober or not is all about what is best for him and his family over anything else. How did he patronize average people?
Huntermc
September 23, 2024 @ 4:36 pm
Awesome get for an interview Trigger! I’ll be in the minority here but I’d welcome a full blown country rock album from Jinks and the band.
BP
September 23, 2024 @ 5:27 pm
I’d take a full blown country rock album too!
Taylor
September 23, 2024 @ 5:17 pm
Seen him several times over the years but when I saw him in Colorado Springs earlier this summer it was the best show yet. Love the Change The Game album. May have to get tickets to his Wichita show in November.
Kevin Smith
September 23, 2024 @ 5:38 pm
Having seen his tour this year, specifically the Nashvile show, it came across as a Country Music Concert. Sure there’s some rock guitars in the mix, all true. But Hot Rod Tripp plays that steel and with Codys powerful baritone vocal, and given the themes of the songs, it resonated as a Country show. Look, if we are gonna get down to brass tacks, the great Chris Ledoux put on a rock oriented show back in the day. Listen to 8-Second Ride for example. Onstage it was Les Pauls, Strats, and big amps.
As much of a purist and gatekeeper as I am, I have zero objection to cranking up the lead guitar or guitars as it were, in Jinks case. Do a little southern rock twin guitar, harmony lead,and I’m way OK with it. The crowd in Nashville was a VERY Country crowd. A lot of rural people with farm boots and working-man pearl snaps on. Not a single east-nashville hipster could I find in the crowd that night. Jinks is the voice of rural heartland Country boys and girls.
Good on him to finally push the Frizzell record out the door.
Trigger
September 23, 2024 @ 8:12 pm
Yeah, I don’t take Cody’s comments as if he’s abandoning country music or anything. I think as someone who has a reverence for country music, he’s being honest that there’s a lot of rock elements in his live performance. That’s all. And he’s right.
Rich
September 23, 2024 @ 5:52 pm
If you haven’t found it yet, check out the Alex Williams/Jinks cover of Ozzy’s “Flying High Again” that Alex released a few weeks ago. Pretty amazing what they did with it. If you want to know what a Jinks country rock record might sound like, this is it. I’m picturing in my head Alex calling him up: “Hey Jinks wanna do a duet with me? I don’t know man, not really my thing but what are you thinking? Fucking Ozzy man! Oh hell yes I’m in!”
Greg M
September 25, 2024 @ 2:09 pm
I really liked that track. It was such a quiet release but really underrated song. Didn’t know it was a cover.
Speaking of rock covers, when Chris Cornell passed away, Jinks did a phenomenal cover of Black Hole Sun. If you want another example of Cody’s country rock phase, listen to that track. It was amazing.
Scott S.
September 24, 2024 @ 6:19 am
I’ve been a fan of Jinks since the intial release of 30. Liked it so much I picked up Less Wise soon after, and even found some copies of previous unreleased albums online. I listened the shit out of them. When Adobe came out I thought it was one of the best country albums of this generation, and still do. Jinks has remained as one of my top artists over the years, and I’ve given each release since then pretty good listening time despite the wierd sound quality of the last few releases.
For whatever reason though, I have hardly listened to Change The Game. I don’t know if it’s just me having burnt myself out after years of listening or the album itself. The sound quality and production is an improvement from the last couple albums, but the songs just haven’t grabbed me.
I’ll always be a Cody Jinks fan, but not sure if the new American music thing is my thing. Hoping future releases will get my excitement back. And congrats to him on finding peace and sobriety.
Will
September 24, 2024 @ 7:12 am
He’s one of the best and one of my musical heroes. outlaw without being an ass. and sincere enough to share his struggles. Realizing you drink too much and need to make a change is as outlaw as it gets, to me. I will always support Cody with my money and my time. Cody makes it easy to be a fan.
Doug
September 24, 2024 @ 8:23 am
“I’d never been who I am, if that makes any sense.”
A lot of us in recovery get that completely. That’s a lot of what recovery is about — finding out. It’s a gift, and also a challenge.
Loved this interview, but re the intense schedule he’s got going, a reminder: Easy does it.
RebJas
September 24, 2024 @ 9:05 am
Saw Cody in Tuscaloosa on Friday night. Incredible show. Well worth the money.
Just
September 24, 2024 @ 10:24 am
I’m not his friend. I thought we were trying save Country Music, not one guy.
tytusgroan
September 24, 2024 @ 2:10 pm
Good luck in this dude getting sober, I’ve been sober for 30 years and now I’m just a grumpy old bastard.
TrashCanJack
September 24, 2024 @ 2:29 pm
At Bourbon and Beyond this past weekend, Cody did a great cover of AC/DC’s “It’s a Long Way to the Top.” It was a good “country” version of the song.
Just Keep It
September 24, 2024 @ 6:17 pm
Maybe he can collab with Timmy Ty Childers or that sad miserable Jason Isbell. What a bunch of frauds.
Traeboy
September 24, 2024 @ 8:54 pm
Troll much?
rano
September 25, 2024 @ 10:25 am
Two things.
1. The people freaking out over his “I am not sure I should be called country” stuff forget that it is typical of iconoclastic types in every genre. I know the (90% unfair) attacks and the “country to pop” thing has a lot of people anxious but this really is the headspace that a lot of quirky performers occupy regardless of genre (except for pop which is a catchall more than genre).
2. Is it time to have a discussion about country music and alcohol? If so, who is the best person (Morgan Wallen) to kick it off with the “we need to make fewer songs about drinking and partying or drinking and depression and we need to cut down on the drinking personally?” I am not calling out anyone specifically but if I were, how about Morgan Wallen? I mean, there are some people (Morgan Wallen) whose careers were nearly destroyed by the actions that they committed while drunk and have had their reputations tarnished and get fewer awards and mainstream opportunities as a result (Morgan Wallen) and may even get a felony conviction and jail time over drunken antics (Morgan Wallen) so they would have the most to gain by taking a public stance on this and launching some sort of “Year Without Beer” deal. And if anyone criticizes such a move, it will be clear that such person just hates country music and the people who make and listen to it no matter what so it didn’t have anything to do with racial slurs (Morgan Wallen) or women and minorities being pushed out of the industry by alleged bro country types like Morgan Wallen. So how about it Morgan Wallen?
JC
September 27, 2024 @ 7:26 am
Drinking too much and taking risks is part of living on the edge for many young people. Sometimes we pull it back in time, sometimes we don’t. But a life lived large includes both times of genius and times when we blow ourselves out of all proportion and take the fall because of it. Just because we stopped drinking doesn’t mean we never should have started. Life is dangerous, raw, ugly, brave, destructive, and beautiful. We’re here for 80 years. We burn bright, attempt to stamp our life Spirit on this Earth, and do the best we can.
Greg M
September 25, 2024 @ 2:05 pm
Great article. I’m excited for the 30 Rerelease, but the bonus track (When the New Wears Off) makes me wish he would take the two unreleased (officially) albums (Collectors’ Item and Cast No Stones) and just remaster both and make them official releases. There is some awesome tracks on both those records and it would be nice to not have them as local files but have them as official releases, especially from a music streaming perspective.
Glad to see he is sobering up. It feels like eons ago since he released Change the Game, and I thought it was his best release since maybe The Wanting or Lifers. However, there have been a number of releases that I have liked better (Zac Top, Emily Nenni and Muscadine Bloodline) which is why it feels like Change the Game came out last year. It was Cody that introduced me to the more independent/outlaw style country and opened the door for so many artists that I now really enjoy. In 2 years it will officially be 10 years since I first heard Cody Jinks at Oracle Park in San Francisco when Loud and Heavy was Matt Cain’s walk up song. Time flies.
MayorMerq
September 25, 2024 @ 8:54 pm
Having my own issues right now with bourbon! Would love to get away from that and when I do, CHANGE THE GAME will be a big part of it! Thanks, Cody for your honesty about alcoholism and thank you Trigger for bringing this forward!
Daniele
September 26, 2024 @ 11:00 am
this guy really changed the game, i got all his albums but to be fair the latest output has already a heavy dose of rock in it
Sam Cody
September 27, 2024 @ 10:46 am
Now there’s some shit I can feel. Drunk pretty much all the time from 12 years old. Signed and dropped 3 times by 24 – because I couldn’t stay straight enough to do the work. Finally quit drinking at 31 (23 years ago now). It took me a couple years to learn how to human without alcohol. Took my smoking habit from 2 packs to 4 packs to get through it (later quit that too).
It’s a road…that’s for sure…