Don’t Lump Country’s Women Together, Let Them Stand Toe to Toe with the Men
Boy how the entertainment media loves to ruminate on country music’s female dilemma, and how unfair it is that so many fine and talented female voices are going unheard. It’s the perfect topic for Northeast-based periodicals to piggy-back their political and sociological parallels onto, to prove the patriarchal oligarchy is still very much alive in America’s rural and Southern landscapes—and in truth that assessment is probably pretty close to correct.
But no volume of music media think pieces, or specially-tailored programs meant to bolster mainstream country’s female population has resulted in any measurable progress since the female topic became a favorite one of pontificators a few years ago. If anything, the environment has turned a shade more troublesome. Talk is always cheap, but what about all of these programs that lump many of the mainstream’s younger women together to attempt to create a support structure around them so their careers can grow beyond the training wheels stage? Are they in any way effective, or are we just launching initiatives to make us all feel better because at least we’re trying to do something about the female problem?
Frankly, something has always bothered me about taking a bunch of female artists and putting them in one room, passing around a microphone to have them tell their life story, having them pose with tomatoes to harp on Keith Hill’s comments, putting them on tour together, or sing songs round robin style as they sit on stools with acoustic guitars. It’s almost like were relegating these ladies to a special needs contingent by lumping them all in one heap. Like these “new women of country” are these fragile, endangered species that require delicate handling. The short bus of country music, if you will. In some ways, this assessment of female acts requiring special attention is valid, but will the women of country ever attain (or re-attain) their proper place in the genre, or even come close to anything resembling equality if we keep segregating them, and asking people to give them special consideration?
Women standing toe to toe with the men seems to be the better way to present female artists if your goal is equality. Presenting them as peers, not also-rans in sort of this nameless and faceless gaggle drawing little distinction between each other seems like a better way to reshape the mindset. Each of these girls has individual talents and an interesting personal narrative.
Of course we should be supporting female artists, and if that means creating specialized tours and television shows and workshops, then I’m all for it. But the aim should be creating an equal playing field as opposed to segregating women in a way that seems to quietly imply they’re depreciated assets compared to their male counterparts. CMT’s now 3-year-old “Next Women of Country” program took a step up this year by planning a 10-city tour headlined by Jana Kramer, and featuring upstart female “country” star Kelsi Ballerini. Is putting multiple women on the same tour going to help broaden the fandom or appeal for these artists beyond their established fan bases? How many bros or Luke Bryan fans do you think are going to be swayed to attending a “Next Women of Country” show? I appreciate what CMT is trying to do, and hats off for them taking leadership on the issue. But I think the effectiveness of such initiatives is fair to question.
I recently read an articles entitled “AT&T Capitalizes on Country Radio’s Dismissal of Female Solo Acts.” Yeah, how unsavory does that sound—a corporation profiteering off the fact that country women are systematically dealt with as second-class citizens? In truth it’s a program which hopes to highlight individual female artists and hopefully help instill them with the grassroots following so many of them are lacking … while trying to sell devices and programming. One of the reasons so many mainstream female acts struggle for support is because they didn’t start out on the touring circuit, but as songwriters and demo singers, or voice-coached starlets discovered by talent scouts, so they didn’t come to mainstream country with any sort of fan-based support infrastructure already in place and struggle to get off the ground floor.
And part of the reason women struggle so mightily in country music has always had just as much to do with the way the industry handles these ladies as it does with the mindset of listeners to tune them out or not give them an equal chance when their voice is heard on the radio.
Nashville has absolutely no clue what to do with it’s women not named Miranda or Carrie. And these special programs in some ways admit that. Like a golfer who shanks a few shots, it’s almost as if Music Row has the yips with women, and is so busy second-guessing itself, it’s impossible to craft a winning strategy. It’s not even that any given approach wouldn’t work, it’s that they change the approach with these women seemingly weekly, and end up wasting months, sometimes years trying to figure out the next step. Country Music has always been a copycat business, and since there’s really been no recent young female success stories, there’s really no way for Music Row execs to know what to mimic. So we get these strange 4-song EP’s, or curious tour pairings that really don’t pan out for building a fan base, and corporate-sponsored artist profiles that probably won’t result in a radio hit any more than any other piece of promotion.
In many cases, country music’s major labels are signing unproven female acts without any real direction to begin with, hoping they pan out because they have a pretty face, a strong voice, and can help pen songs so they’re eligible for 360 deals. The moderate success of Kelsea Ballerini is a shallow victory since all she proved is malleable pop stars can still make it, which doesn’t solve the female problem for country in the long term.
Meanwhile out in the independent ranks of country and roots music, including some women signed to major labels outside of Music Row’s influence, you have female artists with strong visions, proven strategies, built-in fan bases, and many times radio-ready songs that are going completely unnoticed in the country realm. The insular nature of Music Row to only pay attention to females signed to Nashville’s majors is one of the reasons the industry is struggling to find female talent that can reverberate with the masses. If you really want to solve the female problem, then start looking far and wide, and outside the box for the next women of country, and focus on songs instead of faces. That is what happened with Kacey Musgraves, and the result was success with “Merry Go ‘Round.” This is what happened with Maddie & Tae and “Girl In A Country Song.” A good song is a good song, and will do a lot of the heavy lifting for itself.
Last year, the female duo First Aid Kit had numerous songs on a new album that could have been tried on country radio, spectacular videos that resonated with listeners and received over 5 million views, an international fan base and a major label backing them. But for whatever reason, mainstream Nashville baulked on becoming their champions. Artists like Caitlin Rose, Holly Williams, and Brandy Clark are primed and ready for the big leagues, but are once removed from Music Row’s reality tunnel, and invariably get passed over. Brandi Carlile has an excellent album out right now with numerous songs that could resonate on mainstream country radio. There may be countless other female names ready to step in to fill the female void, but if they’re not already on a Music Row roster, they don’t stand a chance.
From the beginning, Saving Country Music insisted on putting the names of independent country and roots artists right beside the names of mainstream ones. This approach has maddened many readers over the years, wondering why so much ink is spilled for mainstream artists, while mainstream readers wonder why time is wasted on artists who will never make it in the big time. But by putting names like Sturgill Simpson and Jason Isbell right beside names like Luke Bryan and Jason Aldean, you’re presenting the two worlds of music on an equal playing field, and hopefully elevating the stature of the one to the other. And lo and behold, we’re now seeing artists like Jason Isbell receiving equal credit with album sales and other accolades. Not that Saving Country Music deserves all (or any) of the credit by far, but the strategy of insisting on an equal playing field has been effective.
Maybe the women of country should be handled in a similar fashion. Don’t put them in scenarios where many times they’re competing with each other for the room’s attention. Put Kacey Musgraves right beside Florida Georgia Line. But Ashley Monroe right beside Sam Hunt. Give them equal time, and let the listeners decide who they like best. And even if they lose, at least they will benefit from the elevated attention.
Data and statistics will only get you so far. There was no data, no consultant who could have predicted the success of the Outlaw movement in country music in the mid 70’s, or the rise of country music’s “Class of ’89,” or the emergence of Nirvana in the rock realm in the 90’s. These artists defied the odds, and that’s why they became the perfect artists for the perfect time and profited beyond anyone’s imagination or anticipated measurement.
In many respects, country music is primed for a female revolution. The talent pool is ripe and endless, and the desire of many to see females regain their stature in the genre is fervent. But it’s going to require taking chances, looking outside the box, and not lumping females together in token gestures of attention, but setting them toe to toe with their males counterparts, championing their individual strengths instead of trying to rely on strength in numbers, and focusing on songs that resonate beyond gender bias by breaking through preconceptions to speak right to the heart of listeners.
MH
July 29, 2015 @ 9:16 am
Every girl in that photo probably goes to Belmont or has graduated from there.
Matt M.
August 2, 2015 @ 9:36 pm
As a recent Belmont graduate, I can tell you that the only two I recognize are both Belmont students.
Derek E. Sullivan
July 29, 2015 @ 9:29 am
The fact that there are few female singers on the radio is just an offshoot of the bigger problem with country radio right now — so many songs are just about a guy asking a teen/young adult to party, have sex or date them. I’m in my 40s and I can’t relate to any of those songs. I’m sure the country music experts will quickly list a bunch, but I can’t, off the top of my head, think of a recent No. 1 song that dealt with real word issues.
Females aren’t going to sing booty songs and sound credible. Sadly when they do, “Bartender” by Lady Antebellum, it goes No. 1. Damn, that song was awful.
I am lucky. Here in Omaha, Neb. we have a station called the WOLF, that only plays songs from the 1990s and early 2000. I can’t even listen to the HIT Country station because too many songs are about a guy wanting to hook up with a teen/college girl.
Stephanie
July 29, 2015 @ 10:18 am
I was going to say the same thing. I think their lack of support is due to the fact that they don’t sing the type of songs that radio, etc. is looking for as much as it’s due to gender.
What I can’t understand is why many women are so vocal about not liking the women. I’ll admit that artists I’m drawn to are probably more men than women. I think it’s partly due to liking a grittier sound, for lack of a better way to say it. But it’s not like luke bryan is providing that! So I’m not sure why mainstream country fans who are female are so not into the female musicians. I think it has partly to do with wanting to be the “cool girls.” You know the ones, who are always going on about how they “just get along better with guys.”
Chris
July 29, 2015 @ 9:13 pm
Last night our local country station played the Cam song about the burning house dream and the DJ went on about how it was a dark song and he seemed like he couldn’t wait to play something about drinking and driving in a cornfield. I was thinking to myself that I guess it’s up to the country women to sing a song with substance. Something that’s not about partying and trying to score with a drunk chick.
Charlie
July 29, 2015 @ 9:35 am
I think I said that already. . . quit having the ladies sing chick songs!
JT
July 29, 2015 @ 9:35 am
You say part of the solution is good songwriting by female artist but yet you continually prop up Kacey Musgraves as if she’s the answer. She doesn’t put out anything any different than what Nashville has put out for years. She’s just another Taylor Swift but has the good fortune to say she’s from Texas. If you really want an example of good songwriting by female artist maybe you should be looking at Jamie Wilson, Courtney Patton, or Blacktop Gypsy. You won’t find in pop country looking there.
Trigger
July 29, 2015 @ 9:50 am
I think there’s some people who have typecast Kacey Musgraves based off of a few of her singles, and those people should probably spend some more time listening to her latest record. She might not be your cup of tea, but there’s a massive gulf between the songs of Kacey and the songs of Taylor Swift. Hell there’s a huge gulf between the songs of Taylor Swift and the songs of Bro-Country.
But I agree that singers and songwriters like Jamie Lin Wilson and Courtney Patton should be considered if country music is truly going to try and solve its female problem. It needs to start looking at women with proven track records instead of trying to squeeze success out of unknown quantities just because they signed them to a major label deals before they knew what to do with them.
I’m not presenting Kacey Musgraves as end-all solution. I’m just using her as one of many examples.
Cool Lester Smooth
July 29, 2015 @ 4:31 pm
Yeah, I will defend the imagery and placement of Taylor Swift’s songwriting way more vocally than I should considering my Y chromosome…but Kacey is nothing like her in terms of vibe, sound or voice.
Albert
July 29, 2015 @ 9:50 am
“She doesn”™t put out anything any different than what Nashville has put out for years. She”™s just another Taylor Swift but has the good fortune to say she”™s from Texas. ”
With all due respect , I’d suggest having another listen to both of KM’s albums and I think you’ll appreciate how off the mark your statement above is . This is some FRESH and often very CLEVER songwriting with a VERY different sound than radio is pumping out at the moment. I’ts about as far from T Swift’s approach in the SMART department as writing and arranging can get.
Megan Conley
July 29, 2015 @ 9:57 am
I am going to assume you have only heard a few Kacey Musgraves singles, because comparing her to Taylor Swift is about like comparing Chris Stapleton to Luke Bryan. If you listen to her discography, you will find that her sound is quite different from what Nashville is generally putting out.
CM
July 30, 2015 @ 7:59 am
Yeah, I’m with you on the Musgraves/Swift comparison. In fact, my reaction after first listening to “Same Trailer…” in its entirety was, “Oh, ok. So she’s the dark haired/edgy Taylor Swift.” I found it embarrassingly trite and cliché. I gave the whole album countless more listens and tried to get behind her, but especially after hearing and loathing (like, LOATHING. not anything near mere ambivalence.) Biscuits, I realized I just don’t care for Kacey Musgraves. She continually strikes me as being all studied and contrived style (like any good pop star, she seems very much invested in the Kacey Musgraves Brand) with little to no substance. Which is to say, she’s perfect for Nashville!
Obviously she has her fans and good for her, but it is tiresome when people (not necessarily this site) hold her as the gold standard for women in country music. I mean, I could barely get through a review of Ashley Monroe’s (fantastic, in my opinion) new album without some writer comparing her to Kacey. Aside from age and gender, they seem like they’re worlds apart. (Which I guess only further supports the argument to stop lumping women together).
…and that was long, off-topic, and ranty.
I agree that we need more women along the lines of Jamie Lin Wilson as well as her Trishas counterpart Kelley Mickwee. I have no idea how to get them more attention, respect, or industry success. Personally I’ve resigned myself to disliking most of what makes it to the radio, but I obviously want my favorite artists to get recognition and rewards for their hard work. So I just don’t know.
Trigger
July 30, 2015 @ 8:11 am
The only thing that I will re-iterate is that Kacey just released a new album, and I think it showed a lot more maturity, and a lot more of a country-leaning sound. You still may not like it, but frankly I think comparing her to Swift at this point just feels a little uninformed, and misunderstanding of what BOTH Swift and Musgraves are all about, in my opinion. Musgraves still may not be your cup of tea, but I just can’t imagine a bigger gulf between the two in the context of the mainstream, aside from they’re both young and cute.
Megan Conley
July 29, 2015 @ 9:52 am
Great observation. It is not going to help the women of country if they are lumped together into some faceless mass. They should be recognized for their individual talents. I started a feature called Female Fridays on my blog that features one woman each week. The goal is to introduce people to the “women of country”–I couldn’t stand the alarming amount of people who said Keith Hill was only stating facts of the business and that there aren’t really any women out there for radio to play right now. The focus is individual, though. We can’t make fans of “women of country,” but we can make fans of Ashley Monroe and Sunny Sweeney and Brandy Clark. As for Kelsea Ballerini, her success did prove one thing–that country radio itself is not sexist. Country radio is willing to play pop music from both men and women. That says more about the state of country music as a whole and the quality of music that women are releasing than it does about country radio’s bias toward women.
Windmills Country
July 29, 2015 @ 9:57 am
I disagree about the potential value of specialized tours. Bro country became a thing because of an intersection of multiple factors: country radio finding a group of disaffected listeners formerly tied to another format (rock) to drive its own ratings, music that appealed to that demo, and the development of a whole associated scene/lifestyle supported and promoted by corporate brands and affiliations. This Boston.com article is anecdotal but illustrative of all this. LiveNation’s Country Megaticket has successfully parlayed that scene into something that fills its summer venues and festivals with people who aren’t all that interested in the music, in an environment that as you have reported many times is full of disrespectful and often dangerous behavior. Part of the value system of that scene/lifestyle is to treat women as having little value and less of a viewpoint.
The creation of female-centric tours, with the media that those tours generate, is part of the process of building a different “scene,” one that both establishes a public interest in female voices and shows corporate interests how they can benefit by getting on board. It took major corporate shifts to create the bro country years of country radio. Rebalancing mainstream country is going to take major corporate interests shifting back, but the challenge is that the format’s main target over the past few years has been an audience that is not interested in hearing female voices, even the superstar ones. It takes massive levels of support from female listeners to offset negative feedback from males 18-34 to get a female single up the charts, whereas male singles coast by on familiarity and balanced support. So it makes sense to work to prove that there is in fact a market for female voices and to build that market through media and live opportunities. It makes especial sense to do that in this transitional time at country radio, when bro country’s days of driving country radio’s ratings are winding down and it’s an opportune time to assert females as part of the new generation of radio drivers.
The argument above also applies to traditional country artists, and basically to any substantive artist alternatives to bro country. For the past few years, William Morris Endeavor agency has been stocking its cupboard full of rising and superstar country clients, many of whom wind up populating the Live Nation Country Megaticket & Live Nation’s growing list of summer festivals (there are some CAA acts who do the Megaticket – Lady Antebellum and Brantley Gilbert, but it’s mostly WME clients), and the message, increasingly, is that placement on the big tours means signing with WME and doing the Megaticket and certain festivals during the summer. Thing is, that placement isn’t necessarily helping the rising acts sell, because that scene is not one that’s really there for the music – the concerts are just a soundtrack for tailgates and associated activities. So placing token females or traditional acts in the mix exposes them to an audience that doesn’t care about their music – the exposure has limited worth.
With that in mind, acts of substance, whether female, traditionally-minded, Americana, whatever, need to band together for, yes, specialized tours. Tours themed by gender or sound help clarify to potential corporate sponsors who might help defray expenses associated with those tours who their dollars may reach. Such tours can’t be the only thing going on and they are not the long term solution, but I think there’s a defensible logic to using them as one of the starting points for asserting the place of non-bro voices in the current country market.
Proven by Mickey Guyton’s “Better Than You Left Me,” which barely eked out a #30 Mediabase peak and went recurrent at Billboard without cracking the t30, right? The country radio charts over the past 7 years are littered with strong female-voiced songs that got nowhere because country radio’s aversion to taking risks with non-bro material.
If your argument here is that fighting country radio’s narrowness means understanding that the gender imbalance is a symptom of the broader issue of country radio’s demand for conformity, which has squeezed out substance and tradition along with females, then I agree wholeheartedly with you. I don’t see Kelsea Ballerini and her out-of-the-gate radio success as a major sign of progress either because of the nature of her hit material. But I do see specialized, female-centric tours and discussion, tradition-centric tours and discussion, etc., as part of the process of building and proving the market for more variety in country, and that process will be a key part of convincing the corporate interests in position to open the country market to more substance and variety to broaden their outlook.
Dusty
July 29, 2015 @ 11:06 am
I was skeptical about your post when I began reading it, but you have convinced me that sending up-and-coming female musicians on tour together has the potential for creating a much-needed alternative scene. Trigger is probably right that the bros won’t attend or be converted… but I’m okay with that. As a genre and a community, country music has to draw its lines somewhere.
Trigger
July 29, 2015 @ 11:08 am
I think if we’re talking about trying to make alternatives to the Bro-Country tours, then I can see where all-female concert tours could be effective. But I still don’t think it will be effective at changing the paradigm that is making all-female concert tours necessary in the first place. Like I said above, I appreciate the efforts to do something instead of nothing, but it just irks me when I see a gaggle of female names because I know that is going to almost immediately turn most passive listeners off, and those are the ones it is most important to reach.
Plus, if you put Mickey Guyton next to Kelsea Ballerini (which I’ve seen in numerous of these “Women of the Future” photo-ops), how do you expect active listeners to take Guyton seriously? Basically you’ve just sort of said they’re cut from the same cloth, and that might not be fair to either.
I understand this is a complex issue, but I hope my observation on the potential problems with lumping a bunch of women together is taken to heart.
Nadia Lockheart
July 29, 2015 @ 12:03 pm
I’m just relieved most were able to acknowledge the Kacey Musgraves/Katy Perry pairing as a vital opportunity for Musgraves to get her music heard and for Perry to perhaps be inspired to write more personal and intimate songs.
Many of us viewed it as a risk, and a considerable degree of skepticism, at the time. But I think it’s different anyway when you pair females of different formats together, as opposed to female artists from the same format (unless it’s just because they want to, like the Christina Perri/Colbie Caillat “Girl’s Night Out Tour”). There’s a lot more room to grow in broadening your listener base when you’re tag-teaming with a ubiquitous household name from another format like Mainstream Top 40 or Alternative, whereas it’s less than likely to happen on the same format unless one of the acts is a virtual unknown and the other is ubiquitary.
Derek E. Sullivan
July 29, 2015 @ 10:30 am
I agree that all-girl tours will not work. It also looks like a lot of up and coming female singers are not getting placed on big tours. I know Brandy Clark played a few dates with Eric Church, but I feel like most tours are all male, at least at the top two spots. It’s sad to say, but it would help Kacey if she opened for someone like Jason Aldean or Kenny Chesney, who currently have acts like Chase Rice, Brantley Gilbert and Cole Swindell opening. Let’s not forget that Faith Hill’s big break was opening for Brooks and Dunn and her husband. Martina McBride with Garth Brooks, Taylor Swift with Brad Paisley. We not only need talented female singers on the radio, but part of big tours as well.
Dusty
July 29, 2015 @ 11:11 am
Kacey has opened for Katy Perry and Willie Nelson. I didn’t attend shows on either of these tours, but from what I’ve heard performing live in gigantic venues is not her strong suit. Maybe it needs to be if she’s going to have a #1 single.
Amanda
July 29, 2015 @ 11:33 am
Kacey Musgraves was Kenny Chesney’s opening act on his 2013 tour. He picked her just as “Merry Go Round” began its climb on the charts.
Dusty
July 29, 2015 @ 10:57 am
I would argue that the unequal representation of women in current country music has something to do with the industry’s lack of respect for older people–and older women in particular.
As you have mentioned in other posts, the radio typically spurns older artists. While it is true that Alan Jackson and Garth Brooks don’t own the country singles charts the way they used to, they still have a much better shot at having another hit song than any woman in their peer group does. With the possible exception of Reba, whose career as a sitcom actress has brought her the crossover success that Blake Shelton has found on ‘The Voice,’ I can’t see any country woman over the age of 35 who would have a chance at hitting #1 on today’s country radio. As you pointed out in your review of Dolly Parton’s “Home” last year, this holds true even for songs that would resonate.
Along these same lines, the country music industry doesn’t pay proper respect to the great female musicians of the past. On one hand, the lack of respect is evident in the remarkably small number of women who have been inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame (less than 20, I think). On the other, it is confirmed by the songs themselves. One of the things that I love about country songs is that they tribute country traditions by citing older songs and singers. For every reference a current country singer or songwriter makes to Patsy or Dolly, there are dozens of references to Hank Williams, George Jones, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, and so on and so on. I would find it hard to fault a fan of country music today for thinking that women have always played second-fiddle in country music, though that certainly is not the case.
To be clear, I am not trying to say that the industry’s “tomato problem” would be solved if it were more “politically correct”. I am not even arguing that women should appear on the radio or be inducted into the Hall of Fame following a 1:1 ratio with men. The point I am trying to make is that the marginalization that women face on the country radio today is the tip of a much deeper iceberg, and that if initiatives like “Next Women of Country” really want to give up-and-coming female performers a foothold on the country radio, then they would do well to remind country music execs, DJs, and fans how important women have been to the music, and how relevant even the oldest among them (Loretta?) still can be.
Concession: Despite what I just said, I do think that if the HOF drew a line in the sand and inducted three (or more) women next year that it would turn heads and force the country music community to have a serious conversation about how to properly revere veteran female artists and recruit new ones.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
July 29, 2015 @ 4:38 pm
But how many women deserve hall of fame inductions that aren’t already in? I would say the five most deserving are Patsy, Dolly, Loretta, Tammy, and Kitty Wells. I know Barbara Mandrell’s in, and maybe Dottie West.
Scotty J
July 29, 2015 @ 4:50 pm
There’s a few like Tanya Tucker and Rosanne Cash for sure and somebody like Patty Loveless in time will probably make it.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
July 29, 2015 @ 5:02 pm
I’d rather see Patty Loveless in than Tanya Tucker.
Scotty J
July 29, 2015 @ 5:10 pm
As would I but Tanya Tucker has had an amazing career. Very few performers have had a several year gap between hugely successful runs like she had.
She needs to be in the HOF soon.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
July 29, 2015 @ 5:16 pm
I can name several off the top of my head. Johnny Cash, Elvis, Johnny Duncan (one of country music’s most under-appreciated men) George Jones, Jean Shepard. Most of them are men, though. And of those men, Cash, Jones and Elvis are among America’s top performers, so it’s not exactly a fair comparison.
Scotty J
July 29, 2015 @ 5:24 pm
Everybody you mentioned except Johnny Duncan (and Dottie West whom you mentioned above) is already in the Hall Of Fame. I was responding to you asking how many women should be in the HOF which Dusty brought up.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
July 29, 2015 @ 5:33 pm
Unfortunately that’s part of the bias, the other big-name entertainers ARE hall of famers. I’m not opposed to letting Tanya Tucker in, but let the most deserving go first. that includes Rose Maddox, Dottie West, and I’d sure like to see Norma Jean in.
Dusty
July 29, 2015 @ 6:52 pm
Deserving women who have already been inducted (and who haven’t been mentioned) include Sara and Maybelle Carter, Patsy Montana, Brenda Lee, Connie White, Emmylou Harris, and Reba.
Deserving women who are still waiting to be inducted include Rose Maddox and Wanda Jackson, who didn’t have a lot of chart success but have been cited by Dolly, etc., as huge influences, and Skeeter Davis, Dottie West, Lynn Anderson, and Tanya Tucker, who did rack up a number of hits. Of these, I think Skeeter is the most criminally overlooked. As a member of the Davis Sisters, she was a pioneer of “country girl groups,” and she turned the song “I Forgot More Than You’ll Ever Know” into a standard. As a solo artist, she rivaled Patsy Cline for chart success, had hits singing duets with Bobby Bare (a recent inductee), and championed the songwriting of a young Dolly Parton.
More recent women who deserve recognition include Rosanne Cash, the Judds, and Mary Chapin Carpenter. Will all these ladies eventually be inducted? Probably not, but they deserve it just as much as Dwight Yoakum and the other guys whose names we toss around as potential inductees probably do.
The point that I was making, which I think some of your comments prove, is that country music doesn’t preserve the memory of influential women the way it preserves the memory of influential men.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
July 29, 2015 @ 7:08 pm
I’m kind of indifferent towards Reba… but the Judds? really?
I get it, they’re success was big. In they’re era, at least. But not only are they no longer together, but Wynonna’s single releases haven’t blown up large like the later-career releases of some of country’s other stars, like Dolly, Willie, Don Williams. In fact I would say the Judds are less deserving than the others on that list.
Dusty
July 29, 2015 @ 7:37 pm
I don’t love the Judds, but like you said they had a lot of success, and in recognizing them as a duo the HOF would also be recognizing Wynonna’s later success as a solo performer (fleeting though it might have been). For what it’s worth, they won the CMA Award for Group/Duo every year from 1985 to 1991, and had 14 singles hit #1 (Wynonna had 4 more as a solo artist). From a statistical standpoint, this makes them just as deserving of industry recognition as Vince Gill, who is from the same era and hit #1 “only” 5 times by my count. It seems to me that if you’re a man and people still remember you 25-50 years after your debut then you’ll probably get inducted. If you’re a woman, you have to be a phenomenon (Patsy, Kitty, Loretta, Dolly) or everybody’s best friend (Brenda Lee & Emmylou). That’s called a double standard.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
July 30, 2015 @ 5:10 am
Hee Haw was constantly trying to launch new female acts… most of them were barely any good. La Costa comes to mind, whatever the girl’s name was that replaced Susan Raye… I work with a lady who’s cousin is Sunday Sharpe (who was on Hee Haw.) I’m pretty surprised that Vince Gill only went to 1 five times…
Fuzzy TwoShirts
August 2, 2015 @ 9:24 am
LaWanda Lindsey, that was her name. took me a while but I remembered.
Melissa
July 29, 2015 @ 11:02 am
What I don’t understand about this issue is how regressive it is. Women were all over country radio in the 80s and 90s, both solo and groups. How did we go downhill from there? What changed?
Albert
July 29, 2015 @ 11:47 am
“What I don”™t understand about this issue is how regressive it is. Women were all over country radio in the 80s and 90s, both solo and groups. How did we go downhill from there? What changed?”
Good observation Melissa . I think it has so much to do with the demographic they are chasing right now …VERY young women and their moms who are NOT really fans of country music so much as the current trendy ‘ urban cowboy ‘nature of the genre . I would also argue that although she sold TONS , Shania was not good for country MUSICALLY . She wasn’t selling the music as much as she was selling Shania ( Taylor Swift ? )….and still is . This is the pop/fluff / lowest common denominator approach to selling music ….not the country approach , traditionally speaking . Country- mainstream and otherwise – was almost always about the song first . Obviously it isn’t anymore . Pretty much ANYTHING can pass when hype is the biggest factor in marketing mainstream to the uninitiated and undiscerning . ( The Bachelor , the Kardashians and Caitlyn , and an arm’s -length list of trendy , pointless entertainment with n’ary a redeeming quality in sight .
Eric
July 29, 2015 @ 8:20 pm
But women were the core fan base in the 90s as well.
Jim Wilson
July 29, 2015 @ 11:06 am
The point you make about the current crop of female artists not having built a fan base by touring rings true. Some examples of current female singers whom I have seen and became a fan after the concert include Taylor Swift and Kellie Pickler (Brad Paisley 2007) and Jennifer Nettles / Sugarland (Brooks & Dunn).
Nadia Lockheart
July 29, 2015 @ 11:43 am
Couldn’t have said it better.
I realize I’m at risk of going off on a tangent when saying the following, but feel the need to mention this because it parallels your point here.
As a transgender female model, while I do think it’s great that the world’s first transgender modeling agency has recently opened its doors in Los Angeles and think it’s an important step to raising awareness and advocacy…………….I also urge it’s important, in the same breath, to strive for the ultimate goal of having professional transgender models stand toe to toe with non-trans models on the same runways. After all, above all else, models are walking and breathing clotheshangers. Models are individuals, but they are also ambassadors and it’s important that, if there are any means of segregation, they are entirely based on professionalism or lack thereof (perfecting one’s walk, being punctual, having the right disposition and all-around attitude, finessing on neutral expressions, etc.)
I feel much the same way about artists and entertainers in the music industry regardless of format. I read that AT&T article myself and while a part of me recognizes Tom Sauer is trying to help, another part of me feels cynical of exploiting a disenfranchised demographic. At any rate, I’d have to surmise Sauer isn’t stupid, and is smart enough to know that while its “Women in Country” feature may serve as a worthwhile incubator for marketing female talent in the meanwhile, it most certainly shouldn’t be conducted as a solution and, much like Patsy Cline, Kitty Wells and Loretta Lynn were able to establish themselves as staple acts in a man’s business through their tireless work ethic and taking chances, the same confidence should be applied to the likes of Ashley Monroe and whoever else they back as artists.
Finally, with regards to your last point, there are many established male entertainers who would love and be honored to share top billing with Ashley Monroe, Kacey Musgraves, Caitlin Rose and other acclaimed female artists. I think they are more than receptive to this. As much as I loathe Sam Hunt’s first album and HOW he has come to be an A-lister as of late………..seeing that he has dedicated part of his live show to covers of 90s’ female hits, I highly doubt he’d have any issue with sharing a tour with a female act. Same with Florida Georgia Line or Luke Bryan. It’s management firms and corporate overlords that I would hazard a guess are dissuading a lot of this from happening.
Drake
July 29, 2015 @ 11:52 am
Off the top of my head, women who could step in right now and have great success on the charts are Kacey Musgraves, Sunny Sweeney, Brandy Clark, and Ashley Monroe.
They’re all right there on the cusp of breaking out, but continually passed over for cookie cutter females, bros, or guys that are unremarkable.
They each have steady fanbases, the looks to be able to put on a magazine, the songwriting chops to relate to their audience, the voices, and the fire in their bellies to kick mainstream right in the ass. There are many many other talented women who deserve spotlight, but the ones that are most capable to make a change right now are the ones listed above. Well, at least in my opinion.
Albert
July 29, 2015 @ 11:58 am
“It”™s management firms and corporate overlords that I would hazard a guess are dissuading a lot of this from happening.”
…….and radio’s brainwashed mindset .
When you are forced by law to play music , as Canada is with its CRTC Canadian content laws , it tells you a lot about how radio IS a factor elsewhere where they can choose NOT to play shitty music or a male-dominated playlist but refuse to . Canada’s country radio is no better when it comes to playing female artists , unfortunately , but they MUST then play Canadian male artists to fill that 30% quotient. The U.S has no such content law , to my knowledge , so RADIO itself is indeed a HUGE factor in why females are not being played .
The other factor is the RISK element of investment of any kind of entertainment in these times . Hence , Hollywood remakes , actors re-shaping or reclaiming their respective images as ‘action heroes ” ( Cruise , Liam Neeson , Arnold and Sly , of course ) and generic TV programming . Lowest common denominator , more risk-free investments . If it ain’t PERCEIVED to be broke by the bottom line …..
Scotty J
July 29, 2015 @ 12:03 pm
Just out of curiosity, Albert, do they play Lindi Ortega on Canadian country radio? A song like ‘The Day You Die’ from a few years ago should have been a hit in a sane world. Catchy song by an attractive woman with a fun video.
Albert
July 29, 2015 @ 12:18 pm
“Just out of curiosity, Albert, do they play Lindi Ortega on Canadian country radio? A song like ”˜The Day You Die”™ from a few years ago should have been a hit in a sane world. Catchy song by an attractive woman with a fun video”
No -Not here on the west coast , to my knowledge…although I listen less and less to Mainstream radio . She is far from a household name up here , ..as are people like Corb Lund , unfortunately .
Frank the tank
July 30, 2015 @ 6:06 pm
I very rarely listen to mainstream country radio, but I would be surprised if Lindi Ortega is played up here. I think Canadian mainstream country radio is just as unlistenable as it is in the US, only with more Canadian content.
Scotty J
July 30, 2015 @ 6:18 pm
I figured as much but with her being Canadian and the quota thing you all got up there I thought maybe she would get some airplay.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
July 29, 2015 @ 1:10 pm
‘Soccer mom’ country went out with the oughts and I’m glad it did. If we get more women in country, we run the risk of more songs like ‘man i feel like a woman’ or ‘stuck like glue’ or ‘bombshell stomp’ or ‘all i wanna do.’
Scotty J
July 29, 2015 @ 1:17 pm
Or ‘Maybe It Was Memphis’ or ‘Lonely Too Long’ or ‘Where’ve You Been’ just to name three. The women that were most successful from the mid eighties through the mid nineties were far more substantive than Shania Twain and to make it sound like that is all that it was is a little ridiculous.
They were making music for adults with adult lives that included things more important than the next party and that is what’s missing.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
July 29, 2015 @ 4:29 pm
I’m sorry, when did Shania Twain record ‘stuck like glue?’ I think you missed the point. There have been women releasing great material, there were then, and there were now. But more women on the radio will not fix the stupid problem. That is to stay, if we fix the women in country problem, but not the stupid in country problem, we’ll just get stupid music made by women.
Scotty J
July 29, 2015 @ 4:42 pm
You mentioned ‘man I feel like a woman’ hence the Shania comment.
Dusty
July 29, 2015 @ 1:48 pm
“Soccer mom country” > bro country
Stephanie
July 30, 2015 @ 5:19 am
It seems to me these days that soccer mom country mostly IS bro country. I am MAYBE a half a step away from being a soccer mom myself, so I talk with a lot of these women, and they are eating the bro country UP.
JB
July 29, 2015 @ 2:09 pm
Once again, you’re spot on Trigger. There’s no such thing as a fair playing field regardless of gender. Brandi Carlisle’s new album should be at the very top of the charts. Brandi is no rookie…she’s been flying below the radar for far too long. She teamed up with recording engineer, Trina Shoemaker on the latest record and boy did they knock it out of the park! Trina is the first female to win a grammy for engineering and now has 3 on her shelf. She’s one bad momma! Kaci Musgraves, Holly Williams, Ashley Monroe…the talent pool is there but the power of radio play falls into the hands of people with poor taste and padded pockets…a cryin’ shame.
I went to one of CMT’s “New Women of Country Music” events a few months back. (work related) Jana Kramer, Kelsi Ballerini and Mary Sarah. I have to say, CMT was way off on this one. Mary Sarah (the opening act) blew the other two out of the water. When she started playing the crowd was sparse and scattered around the building. By the end of her 2nd song she had em… hook, line and sinker. She held them captive for the remainder of her one hour and set and when she finished she received a standing O for what seemed like eternity. It was OVER AN HOUR before Ballerini took the stage. I guess she needed to give the crowd time to “come down” from Mary Sarah’s performance because she knew couldn’t come close to that. By the time I’d endured her set and Kramer took the stage I was beyond baffled….CMT had gotten this entire scenario backward. Kramer was even worse than Ballerini. I left after the 3rd song confused and a little pissed.
Trigger
July 29, 2015 @ 2:43 pm
Mary Sarah is a really good one that doesn’t get the credit she deserves because she actually tries to stay true to her country roots. THere are some very talented women who would blow a lot of what Music Row is offering out of the water.
Megan Conley
July 29, 2015 @ 3:11 pm
I have never heard of her…where should I start?
Trigger
July 29, 2015 @ 5:54 pm
She is very young and is just getting started, but she put out an album called “Bridges” where she duets with a bunch of legends like Merle Haggard, Ray Price, Willie, Dolly, etc.
Megan Conley
July 29, 2015 @ 8:01 pm
Thanks, I’ll have to check it out.
Bear
July 29, 2015 @ 2:11 pm
Well they have been ignroing women on rock and classic rock radio fro years. So I guess country radio is trying to catch up.
Clint
July 29, 2015 @ 3:15 pm
These articles about women are getting harder and harder to read, because I really could not care less.
I got bored with this one before I was able to finish reading it.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
July 29, 2015 @ 4:34 pm
As far as I’m concerned, with only a few exceptions, country’s greatest women have been ignored by the radio anyway, and the radio darlings haven’t been as exciting. My favorite country women are Lorrie Morgan, Jean Shepard, Patsy, Dolly and Loretta. Morgan and Shepard got shafted by the radio big-time, whereas the Mandrell sisters, if I’m not mistaken, were radio darlings, as were Jeannie Seely and Jeannie C. Riley, none of whom did I feel deserved to be played more than Jean Shepard and Lorrie Morgan the way they were. Patsy, Dolly, and Loretta were among country’s elite women who deserved the amount of radio play they got. Why would I want women in country today to get the chances that some of my favorite ladies from the past never got?
Clint
July 29, 2015 @ 4:45 pm
Excellent points, Fuzz. Though I’d add Trisha Yearwood and Patty Loveless to your list.
My thing is, that I want mainstream “Country music”, to sound, and be country. I want to hear Country music on the radio. I don’t give a hoot about the genders of the people who are singing it.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
July 29, 2015 @ 5:09 pm
If I had to make a top-five list, across all genres, of female singers, it would be
1: Sarah Brightman
2: Barbara Streisand
3: Patsy Cline
4: Dolly
5: Celine Dion
I made this point in another comment on this thread. the woman problem has to take second fiddle to the stupid problem. This is, if we fix the women in country problem before we fix the stupid in country problem, we’ll just have stupid music made by women. Stupid music is stupid, no matter how many fiddles and steels we put in. “ain’t no party like the pre-party and after the party is the after party” will be stupid even if we set it to the same melody as Moe Bandy’s “to old to die young.” I think the loud guitars and drum machines and all that electronic pop stuff will go away the minute the stupid lyrics do. The reason they exist is to make the music catchy, to help cover up the stupid lyrics.
Dusty
July 29, 2015 @ 7:42 pm
Yeah, I think that’s the problem with “Girl in a Country Song.”
Scotty J
July 29, 2015 @ 4:48 pm
Lorrie Morgan had 14 top ten hits between 1989-1997 so that’s not too bad and is roughly equivalent to what Miranda Lambert has achieved up to now. Barbara Mandrell was very popular and was a two time CMA Entertainer Of The Year (1980,1981) which is an amazing accomplishment for anybody.
Whether one deserves more or less is purely subjective I guess.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
July 29, 2015 @ 5:00 pm
But consider this: Lorrie Morgan would blow Miranda away as a singer. She had more power, better tone, and could sing a wider array of material. The “War Paint” album remains one of my favorite albums, across all genres, period. And she’s been pretty well swept under the rug now. That’s my underlying point. Lorrie Morgan was one of country’s finest singers, and she has no enduring legacy to speak of in the greater country music world, and somebody like Miranda Lambert is able to achieve the same level of success.
Scotty J
July 29, 2015 @ 5:07 pm
I agree. I was just responding to your comment that Lorrie Morgan got shafted at radio which is debatable as I was a mainstream country fan in the 1990s and she was a constant fixture on the radio.
There are numerous performers that have great material and have had many hits but are now forgotten and have no enduring legacy. Sometimes life isn’t fair I guess.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
July 29, 2015 @ 5:12 pm
I don’t know. Elvis certainly deserved all his rewards. So did Ray Charles, and Johnny Cash… If you’ve never heard of Ted Hawkins, I can’t blame you, he was a homeless fellow by Venice Beach who sang for tips. There are some recordings that he made and he probably was one of the greatest male vocalists ever. He deserved as much success as anybody, and I implore you to go listen.
Scotty J
July 29, 2015 @ 5:19 pm
Johnny Rodriguez, Skeeter Davis, David Houston, Gail Davies. Just a few that are underappreciated despite having many hits but never breaking through to a superstar all time great level.
I’m just saying that there are many, many factors beyond pure talent that determine who are at the highest mountain top.
Timing, personal demons, looks (sadly but yes), record label support are all factors in why some have enduring legacies and others are mainly remembered by obsessive fans like you and I.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
July 29, 2015 @ 5:26 pm
If we ever based it purely on talent we’d be losing big time. We’d have no Dylan, no Cash, no Hank Sr… And honestly, Pavarotti, the “greatest tenor of all time” (although I’d say it was Caruso) only had a two and a half octave range. That’s less than Bob Dylan AND Johnny Cash.
Albert
July 29, 2015 @ 6:29 pm
“And honestly, Pavarotti, the “greatest tenor of all time” (although I”™d say it was Caruso) only had a two and a half octave range. That”™s less than Bob Dylan AND Johnny Cash.”
Aha ….I always wondered why Pavarotti didn’t release a country record !! He knew his limitations. Too bad so many others DON’T .
Fuzzy TwoShirts
July 29, 2015 @ 7:05 pm
More importantly, I would say, is that too many others have HUGE limitations. like NOT BEING ABLE TO SING ON PITCH. Pavarotti had a narrow range but every note was in tune. Colm Wilkinson has a five and a half octave range, and every note is in tune. Karen Carpenter had about a two octave range, but she was in tune.
F Minor to C
July 29, 2015 @ 9:00 pm
This might be a good time to mention the rare 1976 movie Nashville Girl, about a young woman struggling to make it as a country singer, has recently been released on DVD. An exploitation movie to be sure but an interesting artifact of the era, with some good music to boot. Johnny Rodriguez is even in it!
Phil Dobson
July 30, 2015 @ 1:15 am
The ideal show I’ve seen for putting women and mainstream Bro country on the same footing has to be the country to country festival in the UK. One night featured Brandy Clark, Lee Ann Woman, Florid Georgia Line and Luke Bryan. Sure the men were top of the bill but it meant something for everyone and gave young country listeners the chance to hear something different
Fuzzy TwoShirts
July 30, 2015 @ 11:33 am
If Luke Bryan was involved I’m sure everyone in attendance was too drunk to remember anything.
Nate
August 1, 2015 @ 11:05 am
At first I thought maybe women aren’t getting played because nobody knows who they are, but I don’t see this happening in other genres. On alternative rock stations they are playing Lorde or Tove Lo or Elle King, and on pop they are playing Meghan Trainor or Rachel Platten or Tori Kelly.
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pistol packin mama
August 3, 2015 @ 8:45 am
I recommend anyone looking for a grittier sounding female artist to check out Molly Gene One Whoaman Band. I enjoy beautiful voices but tend to be pulled towards the ones who sound like they eat glass and cigarettes more.