Is Indie Rock Incorporating Country / Roots Infrastructure?
For the last few weeks, it seems like no matter where I turn, someone is grumbling about how Fat Possum Records, traditionally a blues label that cut its teeth on artists like R.L. Burnside and Junior Kimbrough, has “gone indie,” running from it’s roots and promoting a crop of bands that don’t fit what long-time label fans have come to expect. Since blues isn’t really my forte, I did some digging and found that these concerns actually go back quite a ways. In an AP story from 2007, Fat Possum Grand Poobah Matthew Johnson talked about facing these criticisms as he tried to “reinvent himself with indie,” as the aging bluesmen were dying.
Everyone’s like, well, your a blues label. We didn’t really know what we were doing when we were making those blues records, so I don’t know why we have to know what we’re doing when we’re making these other records….If I’m not into it, we don’t do it.
And since 2007, Fat Possum has become even more “indie,” and not just in their lineup, but in the style of the music coming from their traditionally blues bands. Take for example The Black Keys. Just as I asserted about bands shaping their music to the NPR demographic a while back, could bands like The Black Keys be trying to shape their music to “indie” sensibilities to keep their fan base young and relevant, and to create appealing music for the big festivals like Bonnaroo, Vegoose, and Austin’s ACL Fest?
And speaking of ACL Fest, that was another instance this last Fall where it seemed like everywhere I turned, roots and country artists and fans were bellyaching that it had “gone indie.” However, searching through the lineup sheet, I thought I saw quite a few solid country, blues, and roots acts if you didn’t put too much weight behind the big headliners. It was when you went back and compared it to the lineups of previous years that you began to see the picture of a slow attrition over time, seemingly bleeding the traditional music out for more indie acts. In Austin Powell’s ACL wrap-up for the Austin Chronicle, he explained that the 2010 ACL Fest symbolizing a tipping of the scales.
The 2010 Austin City Limits Music Festival will be remembered as the year when the distinction between band and brand got lost somewhere between the visuals masking global rap diva M.I.A. and the confetti raining over the Flaming Lips‘ euphoric symphony. From the towering setup for aggressive house specialist Deadmau5 and Muse‘s extravagant decadence to the European electro-throb of Miike Snow and Dan Black, artists were looking to go big, with cult favorites Edward Sharpe & the Magnetic Zeroes and gypsy punks Gogol Bordello in particular finding serious strength in numbers. Call it the (Lady) Gaga effect.
Nothing about this sounds very rootsy. Fat Possum’s The Black Keys were one of the headliners.
And then how about Austin City Limits the TV show, where the ACL Fest sprouted from. ACL was inspired by the great book by Jan Reed The Improbable Rise of Redneck Rock that chronicled how the vibrant country/roots-based music scene was created in Austin. The idea was to chronicle the Austin music scene on film, and share it with the world. But just like ACL Fest, every year the schedule fills more with “indie” bands and big names that have nothing to do with the Austin scene, and furthermore, don’t need the exposure. Sure, using bigger names to draw attention to smaller names has always been used in festivals and programming structures to keep revenues coming in while also developing upcoming talent.
But a look at the ACL schedule and you see Pearl Jam, Cheap Trick, and Dave Matthews Band. Do these bands need exposure? And the upcoming talent (if you want to call it that) would be The Black Keys and Band of Horses, both Fat Possum artists. All of a sudden you start wondering if there is something at work behind the scenes here. A few weeks ago The Black Keys were the musical guests on Saturday Night Live, what might be considered traditionally as a more appropriate venue for them, as well as one that would create much more exposure, making an ACL appearance somewhat redundant, especially when it may have meant another artist got no exposure at all.
In fairness, Hayes Carll and Robert Earl Keen share a night this season, but that is another thing: The ACL format seems to be catering more to the short attention span, splitting nights more commonly. And this is supposed to be commercial-free public television, but every ACL episode starts off with a Budweiser commercial along with other corporate sponsors. I understand, everyone needs to make money, even non-profits, but why choose to do that with the most bombastic of the macro-brewers and their most identifiable product? I thought the PBS demographic snubbed their nose at the NASCAR dads and their corporate brand loyalty.
Then you read with the change from the old ACL venue to the new, bigger one, ACL wants to get even “hipper.”
Early next year, the series will relocate to a new $40 million studio attached to a posh W Hotel in downtown Austin. The lineup for the current season demonstrates how far the show has already come in constructing a younger, hipper, more diverse array of performers. Instead of the Clint Blacks and Pam Tillises you might have seen 15 years ago, Season 36 will include shows with John Legend and the Roots, Brandi Carlile, the Black Keys, the National, Band of Horses and Sonic Youth.
“The festival has been a great tool in helping us expand the brand,” Lickona said. “We’re appealing to that younger demographic, but I think we’re still a show their parents may want to watch, too.”
He and other “ACL” reps proudly donned hard hats and safety glasses to show off their new facility to newspeople and agents in town for the festival. While only 320 fans could squeeze into the old studio, the new venue can hold more than 2,700 with its two towering balconies. It will double as a full-time concert facility and include VIP suites for sponsors a possible financial boon for the nonprofit TV show.
Expanding a brand? VIP suites for Budweiser? And this is an extension of public television that is supposedly primarily financed through public funding and private donations? I appreciate that ACL wanted to, and possibly needed to update their infrastructure, but who is going to take advantage of it, the country and roots artists that made Austin City Limits the longest-running music program of its kind and the only television show to earn a National Medal of Arts, or the indie bands and big-named superbands like Pearl Jam that they must now book and placate to pay for it all? ACL has been around for so long because it insisted on sticking with its roots in a wise approach that did not dance with every fleeting music trend.
And these are big examples, but there are smaller regional examples as well. Take the Pickathon Festival just outside of Portland, OR that I attended a few years ago. As the name implies, it was a string-based festival at its inception, but two years ago, the headliner was indie band Dr. Dogg. They were the lone indie performer, and as they acknowledged from stage during their performance, “We’re not exactly sure why we are here, but we’re glad that we are.” The next year, more indie bands crept onto the Pickathon schedule. This same scenario has played out in other festvals and in local venues across the country that used to cater to roots artists.
The problem is not the indie bands themselves. It may look like I am picking on The Black Keys, but they and many of these indie bands take their craft serious, have good, well-crafted, heartfelt music that does not compromise like so many mainstream performers. And they deserve to have support and infrastructure for their music as well. But at what expense, and to whom? As highlighted in my Mono-genre/Micro-genre article, the traditional outlets for indie rock (rock and alternative) are in a tailspin, while country remains strong, making traditional country and other grassroots-based outlets an appealing haven from music contraction.
Indie doesn’t really have its own traditions, its own infrastructure like country, blues, or even Texas music. And in this music climate of massive contraction, this is not the time to be creating new infrastructure that may not be sustainable moving forward. So the solution appears to be to incorporate existing infrastructure that was built years ago for roots and country artists, ostensibly squeezing the support for these types of artists out of the picture. Sure, the attrition is slow and calculated. There are efforts put out to keep the natives from getting restless, homages to legacy acts and little token gestures here and there. But over time, as you look at the yearly schedules for things like Austin City Limits, or ACL Fest, or Pickathon, you see the steady march of “indie rock” taking over what roots music built.
Adam Sheets
January 20, 2011 @ 11:53 am
I agree with you totally except for one minor quibble. Fat Possum was always an “indie” label, but the word “indie” simply gets misused too often. In fact, “indie rock” began in the early ’50s when Sam Phillips founded Sun Records. Until they all gave way to conglomerates, labels like Motown, Stax, King, and a lot of others were also “indie” labels. I think “indie” is a name worth reclaiming and applying to labels like Alive Naturalsound and others of that variety, but Rolling Stone has already branded the word as being “music for hipsters.”
The Triggerman
January 20, 2011 @ 11:59 am
I understand what you’re saying, but I guess not wanting to belabor the “what is ‘indie'” discussion in an already long article, I decided to assume that people know that when I say “indie” I mean “indie rock” and all of its associated tentacles, aka music for hipsters.
NLindsay
January 20, 2011 @ 1:06 pm
Thank you for cutting off that argument at the head. Though I’m sure the ensuing comments and posts would have been entertaining to read at least a few times.
The Triggerman
January 20, 2011 @ 2:14 pm
I just added “rock” to make “indie rock” in the title just to save any confusion.
Shawn
April 19, 2015 @ 1:51 pm
My problem, is that, I “want” to like country. I listen to it from time to time, but I am very very picky at what I listen to in that genre. I like the loose attitude of these new Texas Country artists who are starting to diversify their sounds to better suit and audience who could wrap their hands around something all their own, that’s why there is no such thing as just Pop being “Pop”, Rock being “Rock” anymore. Even “Electronic” music has variably changed in recent years, we’re seeing events like “Coachella” booking bands anywhere from Rhianna, to Billy Talent, and from Billy Talent to Korn, and from Korn to Deadmau5, just an example. Blending is the best way to keep people entertained and open up minds to make peoples money “worth it”.
Aran
January 20, 2011 @ 12:01 pm
Yes, indie is a term that has been compromised. Virtually all of the artists that are covered here are independent of major labels, as the term once meant. But now “indie” is a specific kind of alternative “rock” (most indie bands I have heard don’t rock at all). And as my close friend, who IS in to indie rock said the other day, “indie has gone mainstream”.
I suggest we coin a new term: outlaw indie.
Aran
January 20, 2011 @ 12:01 pm
That last part was a joke, of course.
Jason3.14
January 20, 2011 @ 12:40 pm
I wish I could get a major company to kick me some cashola for Muddy Roots. I’d even set them up with a fancy city folk airstream trailer all weekend.
The Triggerman
January 20, 2011 @ 1:16 pm
And I wouldn’t blame you for taking it, unless they insisted on being able to call shots on the bands you book, and those bands strayed heavily from the spirit of how Muddy Roots began. A little back scratching happens, but when whole “brands” sell out to corporate sponsors, nobody wins but the sponsors themselves.
Jason 3.14
January 20, 2011 @ 4:12 pm
I would say now that I would book indie bands if I liked some of their songs. I have an eclectic pallet. It would have to be a transitional band though. There are hundreds of bands I’d like to book and would one day if I have the cash for it. Especially since my main goal is to get the bands I love in front of bigger audiences. I agree whole heartedly about not selling that right to choose which bands play though. To be honest…my biggest goal was to get all the bands I love in one place for one party. Just seemed like a hell of a good time. The bigger we get the more diversity you will see fo sho. I do think corporate festivals book on a “record sales” basis where we book on a “bad assness” basis. 😉
NLindsay
January 20, 2011 @ 1:08 pm
I know I should be a good little fan and finish reading the rest of the article but I just want to claim firsties on bringing up the documentary “You See Me Laughin”. FIRST!
jeremy
January 20, 2011 @ 2:00 pm
last year at sxsw, some “indie” band was walkin in front of me and one of them was this overweight “hipster” shoved into a pair of skinny pants. he couldn’t even get them pulled all thee way up. he looked ridiculous..
so, there he is walkin down the alley towards red river and all these metal bands are playing at noonish..which is ridiculous itself…and this hip mfer starts makin fun of them and air guitaring up a storm..mocking the bands..
i hollared at him…told him that he isn’t allowed to make fun of anyone, ever. his right to do so was forever revoked the moment he attempted to put those pants on.
of course, what do i know…i’m still wearing jeans i bought 18 years ago..i’m obviously not up on fashion..
The Triggerman
January 20, 2011 @ 2:21 pm
There seems to be this whole sentiment that country and roots music is “old” and it is combined with this rabid obsession with youth to make people think that true country and blues cannot be cool. I have tons of readers in their 20’s around here. And people younger. ACL and Fat Possum used to TELL people what was cool by setting the trend. Now they are trying to follow it.
Roscoe
January 21, 2011 @ 1:45 pm
Yes indeed I’m 18 and I love old country and blues music I own more of it then I do new stuff but Ithink these artist like JTE are just making the music that they want to make I think that if they were marketing their music to a certain market they could do alot worse then the npr crowd
Howard
January 20, 2011 @ 2:25 pm
Plain and simple ‘indi rock’ sucks and always has. There are no good ol’ days for this genre. Back when it was called ‘college rock’ it still sucked. Just a bunch of pansies walking around in skinny pants look sad.
On the Black Keys I am not so sure I agree that they are shaping their sound for a broader, hipper base. These guys still clearly love real blues and roots music and I honestly feel that they have evolved their sound in order to keep themselves artistically challenged/interested. Sure they are in a bunch of commercials now and are one of the larger success stories from the past decade, but I think they are being true to themselves above anything else.
The Triggerman
January 20, 2011 @ 2:53 pm
Yeah, I acknowledge that The Black Keys are kind of unfairly pushed in my negative spotlight here, and I acknowledged that up top, but they are a very good example of what I am talking about and an identifiable name. Generally speaking I am not opposed to anything they do, just like in my NPR story I linked to above, I called out Justin Townes Earle and Old Crow Medicine Show even though these are two acts I like more that 90% of the other junk out in the public domain.
Duluke
January 20, 2011 @ 2:33 pm
I was definitely thrown off by some of Austin City Limit’s choices last year. The only good that can come of this (and it doesn’t outweigh the bad) is some country/roots bands may get exposure to an audience they otherwise wouldn’t. The invasion might go both ways. For example, Trampled by Turtles is playing at Coachella this year and Robert Earl Keen openned for Dave Matthews for a while last year. I’m not sure if these kinds of things happen or will happen a lot, but I bet those acts both played for some folks who wouldn’t have otherwise seen them.
I hate those damn skinny jeans so much.
The Triggerman
January 20, 2011 @ 2:58 pm
That’s a good point. I’m sure some younger folks may latch on to ACL and then happen to catch a more roots-based artist, but I also remember being 12-years-old and seeing Stevie Ray Vaughn absolutely tear it up on that small stage that will be mothballed now, and that is why I think ACL should lead the trends, like they did back then ,and not follow them.
The thing about that Dave Matthews Band opening spot is it is a blessing and a curse. Yes, it gives a band a lot of exposure, but I know with Robert Earl Keen and with The Avett Brothers who also toured with them recently, it also leaves some of THEIR fans out in a lurch, because they don’t want to pay $74.50 for a ticket to see their favorite band for 40 minutes. And it adds insult to injury if you don’t care for Dave Matthews.
Duluke
January 20, 2011 @ 3:07 pm
Yes! I have been waiting for REK to come to my area for a while now, and if the only way to see him was to pay out the ass to Dave Matthews, I’m not sure I could justify it.
Burch
January 20, 2011 @ 3:13 pm
I can’t say I’m shocked by corporate interests invading previously untouched sectors, or by previously indie or roots-based platforms reaching out for corporate dollars. Either way it works, people want to pad their bottom lines or in some cases ensure they’re still going to have a bottom line. After last year’s wretched concert attendance numbers and the slow rate of economic recovery, I’m sure a lot of entities will be looking for ways to get butts in seats.
My concern on these sorts of things is rather limited. It can be concerning to see platforms for unknown acts be pushed out, but my real concern lies for whatever kinds of plays LiveNation will eventually make to entrench itself in the club and smaller venue music market. Instead of being a slow and calculated push out, that will be like being devoured whole by a monster of some sort.
The Triggerman
January 20, 2011 @ 3:33 pm
Yeah, interesting that with, as you describe, “wretched concert attendance numbers and the slow rate of economic recovery” that ACL decides to spend $40 million. $40 MILLION on new digs. And I understand about padding bottom lines, and I also understand the need for corporate advertising, but the parameters I thought were supposed to be different for public institutions like a PBS property.
Carla
January 20, 2011 @ 3:18 pm
This video was just made for this article:
http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/106587192
Howard, gotta disagree with you about there never being ‘good old days’ for indie rock. Have you heard of the Violent Femmes? The B-52s? (Maybe more pop than rock but indie all the same), Sonic Youth? Dinosaur Jnr? These bands have had a massive impact on a lot of indie and mainstream bands that are around today, and whom have probably made more money than these cats ever did.
The Triggerman
January 20, 2011 @ 3:42 pm
Sonic Youth was one of the headliners of ACL Fest last year. Dinosaur Jr. signed with Fat Possum in 2007, and was one of the things that spurned the article about Fat Possum I linked to above.
The thing is, think what you want about these bands, they never had institutions, like Austin City Limits, or legacy, long-running festivals, or other infrastructure to call their own. They had a little radio play and fleeting but fanatic fan bases. Looking back, a band like The Violent Femmes looks like a flash in the pan, which makes sense because their music is like a sugar rush. The first time you listen you think it is the best stuff you’ve ever heard, and by the fourth listen you’re not even paying attention. Indie rock never built long-standing support structure to support the music. Country did. The Grand Ole Opry, the Hall of Fame, Austin City Limits, CMT & GAC.
Funny video.
Howard
January 20, 2011 @ 3:58 pm
Carla, true. Maybe i am being too harsh on the genre and it’s history as a whole. Although sonic youth and d.jr were never my bag i do like some violent femmes. Hell i even like some of the stuff from the past decade. Destroyer, for example, i have a lot of time for. Although thats not so much rock i guess. What i was really aiming for is the radio format as a whole has never tickeled me. There are some gems hidden in them hills though.
Carla
January 20, 2011 @ 4:09 pm
There you go! I knew you’d just forgotten about a few of them 😉 Hell, even Nirvana were probably considered indie rock before some one coined ‘grunge’. I don’t listen to any of it these days, I really just listen to the stuff Triggerman promotes on this site and occasionally, the Ramones.
manby
January 20, 2011 @ 9:10 pm
The whole “Grunge” thing is pretty funny if your from Australia. Back in the 80’s we had that whole “Swampy” thing with bands like Beasts of Bourbon, Lubricated Goat, Southern Fried Kidneys etc… Grunge, grungy etc… were terms that were bandied about down in Sydney and Melbourne to describe the sound.There was also a roadie named Simon Grungehead who was pretty well known in those circles. I think it must have been either the very late 80’s or very early 90’s when Mudhoney came down here and toured. They were hanging out with the members of a bunch of those bands and picked up the “grunge” thing. Mark Arm from Mudhoney has pretty much admitted that the term was ripped off from the fleeting Swampy scene and transplanted in Seattle just prior to Nirvana breaking big.
Ga. Outlaw
January 20, 2011 @ 4:47 pm
Saw the REK/Hayes Carl episode Carl brought out Ray Wylie Hubbard & said it was his first time on ACL. How does that happen? I think someone should start a patition to get him a full episode of his own.
The Triggerman
January 20, 2011 @ 5:29 pm
See man, that is EXACTLY what I’m talking about. Don’t make me get on my soap box here, but what the hell is up with that? The whole point of ACL is to promote and preserve Texas artists, and he is one that has been around since the beginning, and is STILL putting out fresh, relevant music! It is a travesty that he has not been done justic e by ACL, and it is not like he is some obscure artist that is really good but nobody has ever heard of. No offense to Hayes Carll, but Ray made him who he is. Man, it’s just wrong. I know the pie is so big and there’s many hungry mouths, but Ray Wylie Hubbard never being on ACL is a tragedy.
Jim Rhyan
January 21, 2011 @ 11:12 am
This would make for a very excellent ACL show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU-ligxBrqo
The Triggerman
January 21, 2011 @ 12:14 pm
Ruby Jane was one of those roots artist I referred to above that you could see at ACL Fest last year, and good on them for putting her on there, though my guess this was mostly the work of her management being C3, who also books the fest.
Ray Wylie Hubbard and Ruby Jane are what Austin City Limits was designed for. Ray is a Texas songwriting treasure, and a legend. People come from all around the world to study his songwriting. Maha Wylie. I’m sure he’d say he doesn’t particularly care if ACL gives him any exposure or not, but I do, as a fan. I want to make sure that future generations are exposed to his songwriting prowess.
And speaking of future generations, ACL wants to be young and hip, why not put Ruby Jane on the TV show? They can’t say they don’t know about her. She’s a genuine Austin artist. This is ACL’s charter, not putting Pearl Jam on to pay for their posh new digs.
David Lee is a goddamn State Line Warrior
January 21, 2011 @ 10:42 am
Fashion shits fashion style ..I don’t know whyy
fiddlefreak
January 21, 2011 @ 11:16 am
to complain about “skinny jeans” and fashions of the young, to accuse great bands like the black keys of transforming sounds to please “indie” tastes…to propose the idea that the “npr” crowd likes its music just one way is terribly myopic and stinks of sour grapes…sit in the corner with your beer gut and pbr and bitch about anything that doesnt conform to your Idea of what Cuntry or good music should be…its really sad….as a musician, i am open to all forms of music that pass my ears…if i like it, thats it….i dont look to the fashion trends of the people following them and then decide that they are the “other”… thats the sure sign of a fucking redneck.
I teach school…and i have a lot of teens who wear that stuff.and if you can possibly remember back to what you wore as a teen, you should easily recognize the casualty of being young and clueless…and the funny thing is THEY are extremely open minded about music i throw at em…bob dylan, bob log III, VIOLENT FEMMES (flash in the pan? are you fucking kidding me?) bill monroe.. …they can hear the authenticity of that art…and you know what has destroyed any respect these kids have for country INFRA FUCKIN STRUCTURE Of CMT…peddling that dentist office bullshit has cost the word “country” immensely….thats why you have this huge and meaningless debate over what XXX is gonna be when it “ERUPts”…if its corporate , it will suck. period. it will become a miasma of dogshit…
“Indie rock never built long-standing support structure to support the music. Country did. The Grand Ole Opry, the Hall of Fame, Austin City Limits, CMT & GAC.”….im sorry, but youre missing the point…INDIE rock is based on a DYI ethos that never sought the flamboyant sequin-adorned cornpone that the opry became..thats what makes those shows in old wharehouses and small dirty clubs so intense and personal for the .the bands you site above are NOT indie rock…they have become something else because of grand exposure, huge recording budgets, and promotional dog shit.
and to even suggest that CMT is good for Country music is freaking ridiculous….its garbage…it only perpetuates the shit that most country has become… and its the reason i cant talk to people about COUNTRY music without a large addendum of explanation
Be happy that the bands you REALLY respect are on the fringes, dont get national exposure…because the more exposure thrown their way, the more corrupt and less-authentic does the whole show becomes. seriously.
The Triggerman
January 21, 2011 @ 12:54 pm
First off, “skinny jeans” were not mentioned anywhere in this article except for in passing in the comments, and in good fun. I love how you are trying to tear down stereotypes by perpetuating them, calling me a “fucking redneck.” Actually I don’t drink, and I’m skinnier than shaggy on crack, so your wrong on both counts there. I might be considered a redneck by some, but maybe that’s something I’m proud of, so your anti-redneck venom doesn’t work on me, it actually kind of makes me proud.
I love how you took splinter offshoot arguments and random comments from this article (but not all) to create this case that I am a myopic music listener. I actually like The Black Keys, and like I said in the article:
“The problem is not the indie bands themselves. It may look like I am picking on The Black Keys, but they and many of these indie bands take their craft serious, have good, well-crafted, heartfelt music that does not compromise like so many mainstream performers. And they deserve to have support and infrastructure for their music as well.”
And then in the comments:
“Yeah, I acknowledge that The Black Keys are kind of unfairly pushed in my negative spotlight here, and I acknowledged that up top, but they are a very good example of what I am talking about and an identifiable name. Generally speaking I am not opposed to anything they do, just like in my NPR story I linked to above, I called out Justin Townes Earle and Old Crow Medicine Show even though these are two acts I like more that 90% of the other junk out in the public domain.”
Instead you picked up on good-natured fun at skinny jeans wearers as the whole basis for this article. And then myopically focus on CMT, which was merely mentioned in passing as an example of country infrastructure and one not even being infiltrated by “indie rock” when the focus ad anuseum of this article was Fat Possum Records, ACL, and ACL Fest.
And if you think that I am any fan of CMT, clearly you did not spend enough time sniffing around this website to figure out who the fuck I am before you made such an irresponsible comment. CMT makes me want to fucking vomit. This site is dedicated to destroying the elements that have overrun the term “country” and bastardized it for commercial exploit. Hence the name.
The point of this article, which you clearly missed, was an assertion that “indie rock” bands are having to use country music infrastructure because they have none of their own, and really has nothing to do with my personal tastes on music. It is a think piece designed to get people thinking about how the music industry is reordering itself, and how that might effect music of all kinds heading toward the future.
You seem like you’re actually a pretty intelligent music person and could have lent something productive to this discussion, but instead you focus on bashing me. Thanks for bringing this all down to banal name calling.
fiddlefreak
January 21, 2011 @ 3:03 pm
im sorry…at the time i wrote that i was smoking meth and screwing a dead dog that i found in my neighbors yard…it was a bad moment in time…i respect ya brotha…i just wanted to scream a bit. …no offense. i wasnt really responding to the article as much as the thread…..i love this site and perhaps was just writing incendiary remarks to feel smart. i am pathetic and sincerely wish you would feed yourself a little more so as not to appear as a comic strip character…. take care….
Solitaryrose
January 24, 2011 @ 10:58 am
Good music is good music, man. if we all support each other then who knows what new genres will come out!
The Triggerman
January 24, 2011 @ 11:38 am
Agreed. But is this a pursuit of good music or cash dollars? If you build a $40 Million dollar venue with suites for corporate sponsors, and at the same time say you are trying to appeal to a younger, hipper audience, I see a correlation there that has nothing to do with the music.
NatetheGreat
January 24, 2011 @ 5:59 pm
Yes it’s being ripped apart from the inside out, just like punk was taken from us in california.
NatetheGreat
January 24, 2011 @ 6:14 pm
Oh and where did DIY come from anyway? Definitely not the “indie rock” scene with their money for nice equipment and mommy and daddy to pay the venue so they could be heard. You know what’s getting ridiculous? That there are no all ages venues where kids can put their music out without having to pay the venue in ticket sales. This is horsehit, and if you or anyone else know of someone who wants to start something that can put the kids on the right track and truly support music, then this kind of venue is where it begins. Playing backyard shows and getting people into your music is one thing, but to get 50 of your friends to watch you play on a Friday night can be near impossible unless you you’re able to get exposure somehow. Now everything is handed on out on a silver fucking platter. Get out to a live show and promote the music you love, and flip the bird to the corporate eye in the sky!
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