J.P. Harris Just Wants To Keep It Country
If you’re looking for a brand of country music that is country and country only, not country rock, country punk, “evolved” country, alt-country or Americana, then J.P. Harris & The Tough Choices just might be right in your wheelhouse. J.P. lets it be known he’d rather you leave your hyphenated country labels and long-winded qualifiers clear of what he does. And when you listen to his music, that’s exactly what you get: country music as the original concept of what the term “country” implies with very little wiggle room.
J.P. Harris has had a busy couple of weeks. While attending the Americana Music Conference in Nashville, he released his second album through Cow Island Music called Home Is Where The Hurt Is, and just like his highly-lauded last album I’ll Keep Calling, it brings the country heartbreak drenched in twang, while featuring contributions from Nikki Lane and Old Crow Medicine Show’s Chance McCoy.
And if that didn’t lump enough on J.P.’s plate, he decided to help launch a music event called the Keep It Country Festival happening Oct. 3rd thru 5th at Bandit Town in the Sierra Nevada foothills in California. Red Simpson, Whitey Morgan & The 78’s, Nikki Lane, Joe Fletcher, Sam Outlaw, Miss Lonely Hearts, and Paige Anderson & The Fearless Kin are all playing the event.
As J.P. was driving across the desert Southwest, he spoke to Saving Country Music by phone about his various pursuits, and about the Keep It Country concept.
On your new album Home Is Where The Hurt Is, are you trying to interpret traditional country into the modern day context, or are you singing about your real life, and just doing so in a traditional country style? Or is it a combination of both?
I’d probably say it’s a little bit of both. All of the songs I’ve written have some real world experience for me. I would like to make up awesome stories that go to song just perfectly and beautifully out of thin air, but unfortunately I only gain inspiration through experiences whether they’re good or bad, and in this case they’re usually bad or heartbreaking. So there’s always at least a portion of a song that’s an interpretation of my own life. But at the same time, when I write songs there’s classic themes or classic vocal sounds or rhyming schemes that just come out naturally because I listen to so much country music. And so I’m sure by default I’m always interpreting the modern world through traditional country music, but at the same time, I’m just re-interpreting stories from my own life, especially on this record. A handful of those songs are pretty true to the letter to actual situations that have happened in my life over the last couple of years since the last record came out. In some ways the songs on this album feel more personal to me than ones from the last record. I shaped them a lot more I think to fit within a sound that I envisioned for each song, and on this record I feel like they just took their own shape and they just worked themselves out. I didn’t do as much hammering at the anvil on them.
You go out of your way to say that your music is country and country only. No prefixes, no suffixes, no brand new compound words. Why is this important to you, and do you believe the term “country” is worth fighting for or preserving?
For the last 50 years in American history, country music is the one thing that is universally identifiable as an American soundtrack, as an American kind of music. More than any other type of exclusively American music—old rock and roll, old black blues, old-time bluegrass or fiddle music—I think that country music more broadly represents a bigger segment of people in America. Keeping that tradition alive and seeing that country music has played an amazing role in unifying different segments politically and culturally of American people, it’s worth fighting to keep that identifiable.
Do you think all of these disparate terms that have popped up lately like Americana or alt-country or even something like Ameripolitan are potentially hurting the cause of of independent country music because there’s only so much of a pie slice to begin with, and then you cut the pie slices even smaller by these different terms and making people choose what to call it?
Yeah, the honest truth is that the longer I play country music and tour playing that music, and work with other country musicians, the less I get concerned about people wanting to delineate their own music to some sort of ‘hyphenated country music’ as I call it. Because I feel like the bottom line is that what people are trying to do by trying to broaden and come up with all these different terms that involve the word ‘country’ or ‘American’ is these folks really want to identify with what the country music mindset was in the 60’s or 70’s. And I think there’s probably room for people to do that, it’s just in my own music I don’t. There’s been a handful of shows we’ve played where people review us or write about it and say, “Classic Texas Country & Western music,” and I’m like, “Hold on, you’re putting too many delineations on this thing. It’s just straight up country music. Plain and simple.
I think there’s room for the expansion of country music, and on a personal level I do feel like fighting for the term of country music is worth doing, and the way I’ve taken about doing it these days is make my opinion plain and simple by saying that I don’t think what they play on the radio and call country music is in any way benefiting or furthering the tradition of country music. It is so far off the mark. And I think people say and sometimes validly in the commercial country world, “Country music can’t survive if we don’t continue to evolve.” As an individual artist, sure I believe that each artist has to evolve in their songwriting and their singing and their playing and everything else. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that glossing over your music to make it more commercially viable in any way equates to an evolution of music.
I feel people continuing to have a dialog about it, and people saying that what’s on the radio is not country music, it’s just as applicable to all of these country punk bands, a lot of which are friends of mine, and people I know and respect as coming from a similar musical background or upbringing. But you can say the same thing about bands that are touring and saying, “We’re country music,” and it’s like “Well you’re a bunch of punk kids beating the shit out of your instruments, you’re not working that hard at your arranging or singing.” That’s not country music either. It’s a whole other type of music. So I feel like spending too much time being self-righteous about it as part of my platform as a musician is not something I want to spend much energy on. My opinions haven’t changed at all and I respect people who have made a platform out of it, that they’re willing to stand really hardline behind what they believe in. But there isn’t a way that movement will destroy pop country. It will never go away. Which is a sad fact because it’s really a bummer that it even exists.
I think that re-arranging ways to appreciate and acknowledge country musicians like what Dale Watson has spearheaded with Ameripolitan, I think that’s great because that’s a way within out community to create our own hierarchy as country music is judged in our opinions. And since none of us are going to get into the CMA’s, why don’t we just make our own stuff?
Along those same lines, you have a new festival coming up called the “Keep It Country Festival.” How did that come about, and what inspired you to bite off such a big responsibility as helping to throw a festival?
It started for a couple of reasons. My friend Jen who runs Bandit Brand clothing bought this really awesome reproduction Wild West town that was built back in the 70’s and sat totally abandoned for a bunch of years, and used to be a really vital part of that rural community in the Sierra foothills in California. She’s someone who is really involved in sort of promoting Outlaw culture, and she’s making really cool clothing that’s American made. She and I met a while ago and just really hit it off. So we kind of joked about throwing a party out there sometime and I said, “Hey, if I could get Red Simpson to come out and play, do you think we should try and throw a festival out there?” And she said, “Well shit yeah, let’s do it.”
Really the basis of the whole thing started because I wanted to put together some sort of a showcase of what I considered to be the new generation of people continuing on the tradition of country music. And I won’t say that every band there is strictly 100% traditional country by any means. But I felt like we needed something out West that could be a clearinghouse weekend for that, and do it somewhere cool that kind of represents the attitude behind the music. So it all just kind of came together.
I got a hold of Red [Simpson] and we probably spent a good hour and a half on the phone, and he agreed to do it. Since then we’ve been on the phone a dozen times, and most of the time it’s just us shooting the shit about old country music. But it’s been cool getting to know him and I’m excited. I think to a lot of people … we just had the AMA [Americana] musical festival thing in Nashville, which I think is a good thing that’s really starting to open its doors to a lot more musicians and become a lot more inclusive, but at the same time being there and kind of looking around, I realized that 90% of the people have no idea who Red Simpson is. They would know the Buck Owens song “Close Up The Honky Tonks” or they would know the Merle Haggard song “You Don’t Have Very Far To Go.” But these are songs that Red wrote. They know “Highway Patrol,” but they think it’s a Junior Brown song when it’s actually an old Red Simpson tune. And I just realized this guy is sort of a unsung hero outside of real diehard country fans. And I wanted it to be more than just, “Hey, we’re a bunch of snotty-nosed 30-something kids playing country music, and we’re badass.” I wanted to have somebody here that is validating what we’re doing and shows where what we’re doing is coming from. This is a tangible piece of country music history.
So it’s really been by the seat of our pants. Everyone’s playing for super super cheap, and we’re all just putting this together as we figure it out. We’ve got help from Dee Fretwell at the West Coast Country Music Festival. And Jen [from Bandit Brand] is getting her feet pretty wet this summer with events out there. Another reason for this is I felt like I knew a lot of different people from different country music cliques, and I just wanted to find a good way to connect the dots there. I just felt like I needed to cross pollinate all these different people. Someone who knows my music through Nikki Lane or knows Nikki Lane’s music through mine should know who our buddy Sam Outlaw is, or should know who Whitey Morgan is. I feel like there’s not enough cohesion because the independent country music scene in America is not inter-connected enough yet that it’s easy for people to stumble upon other bands all the time. If nothing else we’re going to have one hell of a time. It’s gonna be a raging party to not forget.
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October 2, 2014 @ 1:12 pm
Excellent album! Probably in my top 3 of the year!
October 2, 2014 @ 1:18 pm
Love the new album. JP’s take on the whole country music and independent country music scene is spot on too.
October 2, 2014 @ 1:25 pm
It’s hard to take a guy with a beard like that seriously, but hot dawg that is country music. Even had some dixie land piano, one of the most neglected instruments in today’s country music. Made me want to look up every musician in his band. I’m not 100% but I think that might be Brandon Bankes of the Wayfarers on steel guitar.
October 2, 2014 @ 1:30 pm
Nevermind, I don’t think it’s the same guy. Whoever he is, I like the way he plays.
October 3, 2014 @ 4:51 am
I agree with you about the beard Toby. The thing about beards is the perception of it depends on the age of the person wearing it. If it’s an old man, I usually think mountain man or hillbilly, but a beard on a guy this young almost always screams hippie, hipster, or goofball. This is real Country music though.
October 3, 2014 @ 5:53 am
Would you look at that, Clint? We agree on something!
Check this video out for the laughs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7ZA-096BAE
The guy looks ridiculous, no question.
October 3, 2014 @ 7:10 am
We actually agree on quite a few things pertaining to music. I just get tired of your leftist rants; especially since every time someone makes a right-wing comment on here, everybody, including Trigger, starts hollering: QUIT TALKING ABOUT POLITICS ON THIS MUSIC WEBSITE!!!
October 3, 2014 @ 7:31 am
The video is hilarious. How can these guys not know how mocked they are? You’d think they’d go: “Dang, I am such a loser, and everybody knows it. I’m gonna buy some contact lenses and start drinking Sam Adams.”
October 3, 2014 @ 8:23 am
I know a dude who uses beard oil. Can you believe that shit? There are other reasons the guy is a loser, but I can’t get past the “hey, look at me! I’m original. I wear 1920s clothes and make my beard all shiny! PAY ATTENTION TO ME!” antics that come with being a hipster. It’s like sacrificing any real individuality while trying to be an individual.
I don’t know why everybody tries to be a unique individual. We’re already unique individuals if we just be ourselves.
And to comment on my leftist rants–I just think it’s time we push rural country listeners to open their minds a bit when it comes to politics. I’m from a very small area. I don’t think there’s even twelve thousand people in my county, and it’s a big county. I’m conservative in some ways, but most of my family and friends fit into the conservative small town stereotype, where they’re conservative and judge things like Welfare when they simply don’t know the struggles of other races in other areas of this country. They end up expressing hatred and racism, because they’re unexposed to the realities outside of their happy go lucky, perfect rural lives.
Anyway, my point is, I care so much about pushing these people to at least opening their eyes to the realities of the rest of the world that I sometimes get caught up in it on sites like this, where the music often discusses topics that bring up politics.
October 3, 2014 @ 8:47 am
Well I’m definitely siding with your family. Did you ever stop to think that maybe our eyes ARE open, and that we just simply disagree with you?
October 3, 2014 @ 9:16 am
“they”™re unexposed to the realities outside of their happy go lucky, perfect rural lives.”
God bless them. Sounds pretty damn good to me. From a young age I WAS exposed to all the realities of the supposedly-benighted masses. In high school, my girlfriend was chased and beaten by a gang of animals because she “talked all smart.” Apparently, because she liked to read books, spoke decent English and did well in school she was anathema to the illiterate scum. When I was 13 I was robbed at gunpoint of a bag of Doritos and a Mt. Dew by four black hoodlums. My friend’s 10 year old brother was hit in the face with a brick while he played on the swingset by teenage hoodlums. During one of my midget football games, the police drove on the field and arrested 10 of the players on my team because, right before the game and being so stupid that they did it in their uniforms, they had performed a strong arm robbery of the adjacent K-Mart in order to steal Gatorade. Due to my job I still see, on a daily basis, the waste and perpetual uselessness of throwing money and time at most of these people. The reason they have failed, are failing, and will continue to fail? Its in their nature. They are not equal, and unless they are forcefully guided or directed, they are an irrepressible menace.
The only answer to why you would want that for you or your family is that you feel guilty and you hate yourself. To the extent that I can, I have walled my children off from the depraved, disgusting realities of the primitive trash that inhabits a dominant and ever-growing portion of this country.
October 3, 2014 @ 9:31 am
That depends on what you’re calling disagreement. You’ve shown no indication of being any of these things, but the things I’m mostly standing against with my family and friends in this rural area are racism, unwarranted hatred for homosexuals, standing against gay marriage when our Constitution is supposed to stop religious beliefs from determining law and not allowing rights to others, etc.
I don’t think you are, so this is completely hypothetical, but if you were a racist or homophobe or opposed gay rights, women’s races, racial equality, etc, then you wouldn’t be “disagreeing with me.” You’d be wrong, and I’d be right. There is a line and this is not going to be discussed. Anybody who is racist, homophobic, or opposes equality is wrong. Again, I don’t think you’re that kind of person. I think we’re simply disagreeing about fiscal politics, and that’s all fine and good. If we all agreed, it’d be boring.
And yes, living his is wonderful. It’s like a goddamn fairy tale or something (said in my best Brendan Gleeson in In Bruges voice), but that doesn’t mean I can’t make a difference and help the people who live here become more progressive and less hateful toward others that they don’t understand and simply don’t know enough about to hate.
October 3, 2014 @ 9:36 am
@RD: You’re listing off outliers that don’t represent an entire community. In much the same way, I could mention those two hicks in Montana who beat a gay man to death ten or so years ago. I could mention how my home state of North Dakota seems to keep popping up in the news for things that make us look like a bunch of misogynist oxygen thieves (though we aren’t–again, outliers). I could mention the hate crimes committed throughout history by white individuals, but again, that’s a small group of us all who committed these things, just like these “black individuals” and “hoodlums” are a very small sector of the black community.
October 3, 2014 @ 9:46 am
BwareDWare94, that’s where you are wrong. Its not a small percentage, and these events are not “outliers.” I could retell a dozen more stories that happened to me personally, without even mentioning the statistics, which are easily accessible and widely-known. I could tell you 100 more stories of things that happened to friends and family. You want to believe that its not true, and you hope and wish it weren’t true, but I think, deep down, you know its true. Apart from that, you’re from North Dakota, how could you possibly know what I’ve seen and what I continue to see? I actually envy you for growing up where you did.
October 3, 2014 @ 12:49 pm
“They are not equal, and unless they are forcefully guided or directed, they are an irrepressible menace.”
Who is this “they” to which you refer?
October 3, 2014 @ 7:01 am
I love J.P. Harris and I think you guys are judging the beard a little harshly. If you listen to him, watch him or read an interview with him, I think you’ll see he’s far from being a hipster, hippie or goofball. He’s cranking out some seriously awesome true country music, and the beard just adds to his character.
October 3, 2014 @ 7:22 am
I’m just talking about how the beard looks. I didn’t say perception is reality in J.P.’s case. He might be a good ol boy for all I know. But most guys his age with a beard like that are what I said they are, or they could also be jihadists.
October 3, 2014 @ 10:42 am
I was only joking about the beard. I figure if a guy is secure in his beard, he won’t mind a little ribbing.
October 3, 2014 @ 10:12 am
I do not understand what this guys beard has to do with anything. What about Whitey Morgan or Matt Woods? Hell, what about Jamey Johnson? All these guys make great country music, and they all have beards. Do they all seem like hipsters, hippies, or whatever other type of label you want to put on them? What about Jason Eady – he wears a fedora on the cover of AM Country Heaven? What about Sturgill Simpson wearing “skater” shoes, or Hank 3 with all his tattoos? Personally, I wouldnt care if any of these guys looked like Florida Georgia Line…they make real country music which speaks for itself. Thats the issue with todays world – so much is put on appearances. End Rant.
October 3, 2014 @ 10:27 am
I agree.
October 2, 2014 @ 1:52 pm
The other guitar player looks like a cross between Willie Nelson and Leonardo DiCaprio.
October 2, 2014 @ 3:45 pm
That’s Chance McCoy from Old Crow Medicine Show. He does look a bit weird lol.
October 2, 2014 @ 2:52 pm
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October 2, 2014 @ 2:53 pm
JP new album is by far my favorite album this year. Even though Dale’s new album talk about my work and I talked a lot of Karen Jonas was my favorite album all year. Nothing quite makes you relate to life and falling for a gal who never love ya back like this album.
October 2, 2014 @ 3:26 pm
I love honky-tonk music and absolutely love JP Harris and the Tough Choices. Saw them at Red Wing Roots Music Festival this summer and they were awesome! Great interview Trigger.
October 2, 2014 @ 3:39 pm
Dwight Yoakam meets Marty Stuart in an older era…is how I’m describing the sound
October 2, 2014 @ 5:46 pm
Kickin’ Wayne on acoustic!
October 2, 2014 @ 6:00 pm
I like what i heard so will be checking out more.
October 2, 2014 @ 6:01 pm
Nice interview and comments from JP. Really love the new record.
October 2, 2014 @ 7:42 pm
Pleasantly surprised as usual. Thank you.
October 2, 2014 @ 7:44 pm
they were jamming with Red Simpson at Trouts in Bakersfield yesterday. looked like they were all having fun……
October 3, 2014 @ 8:30 am
With Red Simpson? I’d have loved to have seen that!!
October 3, 2014 @ 6:10 am
Hey, isn’t that Caitlin Rose singing background vocals? And check out the brother on drum. Don’t see that everyday in a honky tonk band.
October 3, 2014 @ 8:09 am
That’s Caitlin Rose and Nikki Lane playing backup singer. Jerry Pentecost is on drums, who I’ve seen play with Caitlin and Jonny Fritz over the years, and a few others. He one of East Nashville’s go-to country drummers.
October 3, 2014 @ 7:16 am
Trigger, I love you. Not in a sexual way (not that there’s anything wrong with that!), but in the way that I’ve heard about SO many awesome country artists because of the work you do. You are a modern country hero in my book, doing everything you can to save the music we love!
October 3, 2014 @ 10:46 am
This stuff is a perfect illustration of how you ” don’t get above your raisin’ ” . As country music has ‘evolved’ it seems to have done just that .A couple of decades back , country music began believing it was something it wasn’t because the powers that be kept telling it that . Hence all of the ‘sophistcated’ rockers ‘n poppers jumping into the fray and “broadening” the appeal while watering down the sound , the subject matter , the pure ingredients that made country as natural as spring water before the chemical fertilizers seeped into the soil .
The producers , labels and artists started over-thinking and trying to re-invent the thing hoping no one would notice and ended up gutting it . These boys “GET IT ” . Just get in with a simple message married to the right vibe by some capable players ( playing and singing on key and in time ) ..If you don’t complicate , sophisticate , over-play or attempt to make it any more than it is , the honesty of the art appears completely organically . You don’t need to disect it or hunt for those elements . You just have to know when YOU are responsible for HIDING them . These guys seem to know that where the Kruise Kids , the Sheltons and ( your fav A-lister here ) are running in circles trying to re-discover what THEY THEMSELVES have hidden.
October 3, 2014 @ 11:00 am
Thanks for the article. I know JP and have enjoyed his music, and catching their live shows for awhile. Actually had the pleasure of hosting a house party for a fill in date for him and the band a couple years back.
He’s the real deal. What you see, beard and all, is real. No gimmicks, nothing fake. He’s real, his music is real, and he has a passion for real country music. And he appreciates those of us who support not just his music, but traditional country music. If you haven’t caught a show, go. You’ll be glad you did.
October 3, 2014 @ 9:57 pm
Just started listening to this album, JP is good, seen him perform a couple of times. I got his first album and this one is sounding good too, I will probably have to pick it up too!
Quotable Country – 10/05/14 Edition | Country California
October 5, 2014 @ 2:38 pm
[…] about it as part of my platform as a musician is not something I want to spend much energy on. â— — JP Harris, sensibly, to Saving Country Music. His new album is Home Is Where the Hurt […]
October 6, 2014 @ 10:23 pm
I don’t know… lately, I’ve been torn. I’m not 100% sold on all these new jacks bucking the modern (bro) country system and attempting to recreate the past. In my opinion, it seems a little forced and too self conscious. Aside from Hank 3, the Whiteys and JPs of the world will (sadly) have no lasting appeal to the fickle modern music fan.
I was lucky enough to have been born in the mid 70s and I was well aware of popular culture by the early 80s. The urban cowboy craze mixed with the lingering outlaw sound WAS popular culture and it was a moment in time that can never be recreated. No matter how hard they try, “traditional” country music will always be on the fringe and never reach a mainstream audience ever again. I am more than happy to live in my music bubble for the rest of my life…
November 24, 2014 @ 10:16 pm
Interestingly enough, and probably completely off topic for this thread, Dierks Bentley had an album by the same name before he went mainstream. It’s surprisingly heavy…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW8MyPkPEeU