Look, This is the Deal with David Allan Coe (An Editorial)
Back in March, country music Outlaw David Allan Coe was in a horrific accident where his black Suburban was broadsided by a semi truck in Ocala, Fl. Coe suffered cracked ribs and bruised kidneys in the accident, but was able to recover to perform again.
In the aftermath of the accident, there was a shakeup in David Allan Coe’s band and inner circle. As Saving Country Music reported after attending David Allan Coe’s first show back as part of Willie Nelson’s 40th Annual 4th of July picnic, David was quoted as saying, “…everybody quit me, except my wife. She’s the only one that didn’t quit. My road manager of 35 years, he quit me. My band quit me. This is a brand new band, this is a brand new me.”
On November 8th, David Allan Coe’s son, Tyler Mahan Coe, who played guitar for his father, posted an in-depth letter describing his side of the story, saying in part, “The implication is that every person in his life, except his wife, abandoned him after his recent auto accident. Certainly, it doesn’t make sense to me that every person in someone’s life would take a hike because that person had a little accident. Must be something else going on there.” In short, Tyler blames David Allan Coe’s wife Kimberly for manipulating his father, leading to him and others being forced out of his father’s music business. Tyler also spelled out and addressed numerous concerns and grievances he and many David Allan Coe fans have had about his father’s live performances in recent years.
David Allan Coe’s accident, the subsequent fallout, and Tyler Coe’s letter have stimulated a discussion about David Allan Coe, his ethics and character, his contributions to the music world, and have many fans finally speaking out about a lackluster live show that they we’re unwilling to speak about previously out of respect for the performer.
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Look, this is the deal with David Allan Coe. David Allan Coe is a piece of garbage human being. As Al Goldstein once said straight to David’s face enlisting a cackle from David, “You’re a fucking degenerate.” He’s a sexist, racist, scary, weird, train wreck of a man; one of these people we all knew growing up in school or in the neighborhood that was always in someone’s face and that could twist off at any moment.
As Waylon Jennings once pointed out, David Allan Coe will stab you in the back and then ride off your name like he’s your best friend. He wears a stupid, waist-length golden-haired wig on stage as if he’s fooling anyone. He bashes anybody and everybody for getting in his way, abandoning him, or otherwise keeping him down, when he is clearly an arrogant, disrespectful, down-talking asshole who has little regard for anybody but himself, has bashed his Outlaw contemporaries while praising people like Kid Rock and Toby Keith, and once bragged about standing on top of the desk of a record executive, dropping his pants, and ordering him to perform oral sex on him.
At the same time, and for some of the same reasons, David Allan Coe is an American treasure, and a country music legend. Hank Williams Jr. may have sung about being a “Dinosaur,” but David Allan Coe truly is one. In a world where we’re all so whipped and so trained to not speak our minds, or to say what we think, and respect authority that is many times much more immoral, unfair, and corrupt than we could ever be, an individual like David Allan Coe is a breath of fresh air, and in a strange way, an inspiration in the way he is blatantly obvious about who he is, what he wants, and what he believes.
Anyone who wants to diminish David Allan Coe’s importance to country music, whether it’s because he’s put out some bad songs, bad albums, has a bad live show, or because he’s is a bad person, isn’t paying attention to the full breadth of his contributions, including some of the most indelible, important, and influential works of the country music canon. Forget “Longhaired Redneck,” go listen to “Jody Like A Melody” or “River” and then tell me David Allan Coe has nothing to offer.
And to simply call him “sexist” or “racist” really doesn’t do justice to the complex and tragic history of David Allan Coe’s life and upbringing, or the true nature of his opinions. David Allan Coe is one of the truest products and examples of the American experience because there is no bullshit from him, however ugly it is to behold. His attitudes and actions are a reflection our own sins and flaws as an American society, personified in a man who has zero respect for phony custom, or plastic courtesy. At the same time, it’s embarrassing that some choose to use him as their phony idol or icon for racist or sexist platitudes or principles, only reveling in the bad parts about David Allan Coe, and missing the complete panorama of his message and musical contributions.
I do not know Tyler Mahan Coe personally, though I have seen him perform with his father before. Having read many things he’s written over the years, including his latest letter clearing the air about what happen with his father, Tyler comes across as an intelligent and thoughtful individual, and I tend to take what he says as being the truth, and find his honesty and candor refreshing. Tyler Coe is right. Seeing David Allan Coe on any given night can be an exercise in disappointment, from his poor stage presence to his stupid vocal effects. But there is nothing that I read in Tyler’s letter, or anything else that gives me reason to respect David Allan Coe any less. The grim reality with any performer is that as time goes on, they will lose grip with their talent and abilities, especially when they live the type of self-destructive life fans expect, if not demand from certain artists.
When I saw David Allan Coe perform this summer at Willie Nelson’s 40th Annual 4th of July picnic, it was the most God awful performance of “country” music I had ever seen in my life. His band setup included two keyboards flanking him on the left and right, some weird percussionist guy, and struck the vibe of an underfunded and unrehearsed amateur church band that had set up in the food court of a mini mall in some forgotten region of scary, small-town USA preaching to inbreeds and introverts circa 1987. At the same time, I was super glad to be there to catch it, and to be able to see David Allan Coe still alive and performing after his accident.
Why? Because when David Allan Coe is gone forever, what he symbolizes and embodies will be gone forever too. And country music, and the rest of the world, will be a lot less of a colorful place. Because whether you like him, respect him, or hate him, there will never be another person or performer in country music or the American culture like David Allan Coe.
jericho
November 11, 2013 @ 1:22 pm
About five years back, the band I was playing in opened for DAC in Ft Worth. Here’s what it was like:
*Coe’s contract demanded that all AC vents in the club be sealed off (“if at any time, Mr Coe feels a draft, the show is off”)
*Coe insisted on a huge 80s-style concert PA in this mid-size club, which was a big outlay of $$ on the front end
*Coe insisted that the opening band (us) not get any green room privileges
*Coe demanded a huge guarantee that the door could not cover at the end of the night.
And then the show…no bass player, Coe on a barstool playing a ridiculous Dean guitar through a full stack, and all one long medley. Never played a song all the way through even once. Phoned it in for an hour and that was it — finished, with no encore. The crowd was NOT pleased, especially after a $40 cover to get in.
It was a long night.
Rusty Shackleford
November 12, 2013 @ 5:36 am
I absolutely adore the fact that your comment set out to portray David Allan Coe as a prima donna, all while confirming that you’re one yourself. You’re clearly upset due to the fact that the star of the show wanted things his way, while your measly no-name bar band got the shaft, and was locked out of the green room. You wanted to feel like a celebrity, until an actual celebrity showed up. I see right through your bullshit. David Allan Coe is 74 years old. Cut the guy some slack! When you’re that age, you probably won’t even have the energy to wipe your own asshole, let alone climb on a tour bus, travel the country, and perform on stages.
Can you name a single artist at that age that is capable of performing as well as they did in their younger days? I can’t. Not even the golden voice of country music himself, George Jones, was capable of that several years before his passing. People often forget that DAC isn’t some sort of super-human as it may appear in his older albums, he’s human just like you or I, and has his good days and bad.
His attitude, nor how he puts himself out there doesn’t change the fact that he’s a living legend, and has contributed enormously to country music, and has dedicated his entire adult life to it. The crowd may not have been pleased, but any true country music lover, or David Allan Coe fan would’ve been thrilled just for the opportunity to see the man doing his thing, regardless of how it sounded. His done everything his own way since the start, and all of a sudden you thought it would be any differently because your shitty band was opening for him? Get the fuck out of here.
FunKyChick
November 12, 2013 @ 12:09 pm
If you don’t have the energy to “climb on a tour bus, travel the country, and perform on stages”, then don’t do it and give people a crap show and treat people like crap.
therhodeo
November 12, 2013 @ 12:17 pm
Being old or somewhat moderately famous way back doesn’t give a guy the right to be a dick and charge for what amounts to half ass work. Plenty of old guys out there in the same position who aren’t that way to give the time of day to someone like Coe. I’ve heard stories of Haggard and his band sitting back stage eating McDonalds because thats all they asked for to come play. Know of guys who were around Johnny Cash who said they remember him and Hank Snow being somewhere and both standing around with the leader of the opening band bs’ing about the cost of gas. Coe isn’t a smear of shit under those 2’s feet.
matt
November 18, 2013 @ 3:03 pm
I seen merle at the Tivoli in Chattanooga last year and I have to say he is still awesome ! If anyone gets a chance to see you should he even played an hour and half longer than he was supposed to great show!
Karl
November 12, 2013 @ 6:06 pm
You asked “Can you name a single artist at that age that is capable of performing as well as they did in their younger days?”
And, I can. Phil Lesh. He still tours and plays a mighty fine bass. He also runs a restaurant in California called Terrapin Crossroads, which is also a concert venue, and Phil regularly joins in to play his bass with the bands.
☮
Karl
November 12, 2013 @ 6:18 pm
And there’s Pete Seeger. In his 90’s now. Doesn’t tour, but plays shows with Tao Seeger. His voice is almost gone, but the energy of the show, is almost a religious experience. I suspect Pete could just stand on stage and the crowd would sing for him.
And lets not forget Willie Nelson.
RobB
January 17, 2016 @ 11:37 am
Billy Joe Shaver
Wind2Energy
April 16, 2023 @ 8:25 pm
Oh, yes – Billy Joe played through a heart attack so he wouldn’t disappoint his fans. Try to picture *him* showing up in a long blonde wig to bolster his outlaw vibe. David Alan Coe is the Donald Trump of country music.
Waldo
March 16, 2015 @ 12:18 pm
Tina Turner
Darryl How
February 27, 2019 @ 7:27 pm
Hey Rusty I Hope You Are Ok And Doing Well My Friend.
Shannon
April 8, 2023 @ 7:02 pm
100% agree with Rusty’s assessment! Fuck your shitty no-name band & your bullshit trash-talk! Rusty schooled your ass right proper! ????????????????????
Sean ledford
September 8, 2014 @ 10:53 am
David allen coe is one bad man and for somebody to say that he is an idol for racist or sexist acts noo I don’t think so he might an idol for telling the truth. The fact is that a lot people don’t want to hear the truth they don’t like it an want to look down on it. In all reality it is what it is.
Joe Stalin
August 4, 2015 @ 8:35 am
I’m telling you the guys an asshole, I payed a lot of money because my wife was a fan and like you said he mailed it in and the show sucked. I went looking for him in the bar parking lot to let him know he sucks after the show, but the fat little pussy already left. He’s not an outlaw he’s an asshole and always has been.
George Clintonic
December 13, 2015 @ 11:52 pm
Saw him in Nashville tonight at a well know bar (I won’t trash the bar) and….it sucked. I know he’s old but that isn’t an excuse for how terrible it was. He did a shit medley of hit songs that ran together like a train wreck and the band couldn’t follow his out of tune guitar, his wife (I’m assuming that’s how she got on stage) tried to sing louder and out stage him it seemed. What a shit show!
ShJenningsFan34
December 19, 2015 @ 10:44 am
I respectfully disagree. I was up in the front for David Allan Coe’s show and it was like I gave birth to a child that I can’t pick as my favorite. In that show, his wife was on stage for Ramblin Fever, which was the first song he sang and then she left sick and he sang alone. I almost met him, but they were sold out of Meet and Greets. Got a drunkie to purchase me some merchandise and almost that Meet and Greet pass because I cut in front of him in line. It was probably the best concert I have ever been to, and I’ve been to tons from Willie to Garth to George Strait to Toby Keith to Luke Bryan to Kacey Musgraves to Ashley Monroe to my favorite Jennings son. I was so dang close, I even said some words and smiled at him and it got him to be a little peppier during that concert. He wore a nice red wig on stage and he even sang a couple of songs in their entirety. I was surprised to hear some of the racist ones too. It even made me overlook the rude security, the stoned fan right behind me who wanted my spot, the first opening band that did nothing but “modern country” covers, and the lady who thought it was okay to do a bloody leak on the back of my pants. It was anything but a shirty show.
Walken Midnight
January 26, 2018 @ 1:04 am
Stay classy, cuntry fans.
Steve j
March 6, 2022 @ 5:43 pm
Saw him in Florida about three years ago, worst thing I’ve ever seen. When you can’t do anymore don’t make people pay to see you. The man has a huge chip on his shoulder. What a horrible way to live
Adam
May 12, 2022 @ 5:43 pm
Dumbass in what way do dac ever “make” anyone pay to see him. Leave space for the ones that get it and you yourself that don’t gtfo.
John baker
July 27, 2019 @ 3:25 pm
Hey joe you have absolutely no ideal what your talking about I personally know David and Kim very well there a customer of mine and they always hook me up and take me and who ever I want with them to show all over the states and treat us like family the mans old and grumpy I’ll give you that just how life happens get to know someone before to trash talk them thanks
Wayne Smith
December 30, 2015 @ 10:44 pm
I stumbled upon this review of DAC and I thought I’d offer my experience with him and his wife. In college, I worked the front desk at a fairly nice hotel down the street from a country honky tonk. I saw DAC and his wife were staying at our hotel. I’m pretty sure I’m the only one who even recognized the name or who they were in person as everyone else at that hotel was snooty.
Well, the wife checked them in and I mentioned that I was a big DAC fan and that I just let her know so she could pass it along that I thought they were really cool folks. About 15 to 20 minutes later, they both return. He gives me a picture, autographs in front of me, and gave me 2 tickets to their concert. I wasn’t of legal age to even drink then so I couldn’t get in to that darn place (too young). I always regret that. They laughed it off and joked about it.
He may have changed and had his moments but they were classy to this nothing college kid working at a hotel who could do nothing for them. That tells me a lot.
lee shafer
October 18, 2016 @ 1:07 pm
draft dodger eh?
Golden Spike
April 16, 2023 @ 8:34 pm
The only thing I could respect him for.
Arthur Jackson
January 24, 2017 @ 11:56 am
The country version of GG Allin. Though GG did do a country album.
PasadinaPat
November 10, 2019 @ 11:40 am
If anything GG was the punk-rock version of DAC. ‘Outlaw Scumfuc’ is clear evidence of DAC’s influence on GG, who was a big fan of outlaw country (DAC and Hank Jr. especially). On a side note, GG’s country album, ‘Carnival of Excess’, was shockingly well conceived and produced–one of his best IMHO.
McFadin
November 21, 2020 @ 11:26 pm
Don’t ever compare Dave Coe to that dumbass POS gg allin.
Hoss
July 5, 2017 @ 12:23 pm
Saw him at a Tunica casino several years ago. It was really awful. Like you said, one big medley of half-assed performance. He finished up by telling the audience that he only played the show to cover his marker with the casino. Very disappointed.
Chunky Coal
June 2, 2019 @ 11:15 am
DAC’s “train wreck” thing is at the center of his appeal and mystery. Yeah, he’s written some good songs and has a compelling back-story, but he’s got the borderline personality of a long-time homeless person or war vet with PTSD. Those pointing to his racism or misogyny as example of him “keeping it real” should look at the whole package. Is that wig proof of the same or just another outrageous attention-getting prop? He’s been wearing it for more than 30 years and his choice to go with the Phil Spector/George Clinton thing is not exactly the stuff of stability’s poster child. And, at times anyway, he definitely appears to believe he can pass it off as real. Also, what’s the deal with his guitar playing? Did he always strum that way with a stiff pick, like a trained monkey? Because it would actually be difficult to maintain that kind of rigidity and lack of feel for one who has held a guitar that many years. Maybe it was a result of his auto accident ..
Dave Pilot
November 11, 2013 @ 1:33 pm
I’ve seen great shows and horrible shows from Coe. Some I’ve walked out of. Others I’ve reviewed and lauded for their merit. Same applies for Chris Knight, Jackson Taylor, and plenty of others.
It’s pointless to get panties in a wad over the fact that a performer whose whole life has been lived his way at his whim might turn in a show that wasn’t what someone else expected. Entertainers are on stage for their audiences. Artists are up there for themselves. Some art’s good, some art’s bad. Every single artist is capable at least to some degree of both.
DAC’s legacy is in the deep catalog of songs he’s left with us. It’s not in his stage show. Springsteen and Ness and on and on have left us both. Okay. Coe left us his songs. I’ll see him again when I get the chance, and I won’t care about the A/C or how Kimberly sounds or how many keyboards there are or if he raps Pantera songs. I just want to see the man do his thing while I still can.
Got the rest of my life to continue exploring and loving the vast catalog of incredible songs that don’t make it to the ears of the jukebox heroes.
My guess is that Tyler, who I also do not know but also find from his writing to be intelligent and often profound, knows how to play the hand he’s been dealt. I’ll be following his career with curiosity and anticipation, because when his daddy’s gone, I have a feeling the spirit will remain. Tempered, perhaps, with something more consistently grounded.
Appreciate the article, Trig. Nice work.
TX Music Jim
November 11, 2013 @ 2:48 pm
I agree with your premise but it is sad to be a fan and be excited to see one of your musical hero’s and leave disappointed. My DAC experience was a good one. The one time I saw Gary Stewart it was horrible. However, some aging legends I’ve seen 10-15 times over the last 10 years and while some shows were better than others none were sub par mail in’s. Jerry Jeff Walker being one example I’ve seen him 3x this year all 3 shows were excellent. Billy Joe Shaver being the other example I’ve never seen either one of them not have at least a decent show.
Trigger
November 11, 2013 @ 2:56 pm
Billy Joe Shaver continues to put on one of the best live shows you’ll see from an elder legend. If you’ve seen it a few times, maybe the predictable set list becomes a little tired. But the guy has an excellent band that puts a lot of heart into the music, great songs, and for a guy known primarily as a songwriter, he’s a hell of a showman. You don’t just go there to bask in the glow of his legendary status, he kills it.
TX Music Jim
November 11, 2013 @ 3:27 pm
BJS brings it every time. His band is stellar. I was fortunate enough to get to see him several time when Eddy was still with us and playing lead for his dad. My Lord that guy could flat shred it. Listen to Georgia on a fast train from the live unshaven CD it’s a good example of how bad ass they were together. DAC’s live it billy bobs cd is good it’s got Warren Haynes on lead gutiar and is a good DAC live record.
Karl
November 12, 2013 @ 6:29 pm
And Del McCoury (74), plays tours and runs a festival DelFest,
Wish I could cite Doc Watson (but I cant) RIP Doc, he played to age 89 and ran MerlFest.
Jack Williams
November 13, 2013 @ 7:15 am
Yes. I saw Del McCoury and Sam Bush together last year and it’s amazing how strong Del’s voice still is. One great memory from that show was when Del hit a particularly emotional note on a song and Sam just shook his head a gave a little chuckle, as if to say something like “holy shit.”
T
November 11, 2013 @ 1:41 pm
I’ve seen hime twice in about the last 7 years. The last time I saw him I felt like I was wathcing a TimeLife informercial on TV. He played bits and peices of songs on a way out of tune guitar and in between that he was just name dropping.
He’s got some real good songs though. I won’t deny that. Cell 33 is just a bad ass song.
glendel
November 11, 2013 @ 1:47 pm
Elvis Presley wasn’t a role model either. But where would be without him. More or less the same goes for David Allan Coe, Billy Joe Shaver…
therhodeo
November 12, 2013 @ 12:25 pm
Please tell me when Elvis put on a half ass show.
Karl
November 12, 2013 @ 6:34 pm
February 12, 1977 – Hollywood, FL
ActNaturally
July 5, 2014 @ 5:12 pm
Yeah, my mom saw Elvis in South Bend, IN on his last tour and was crushed. She really dug him. That being said, he was on the edge and on the way out. Coe to me, despite writing a handful of fine songs, has always come off as a wannabe and almost was, if that makes sense. He makes a lot of bullshit claims, and I believe cats like Waylon have called him out on them in his book. But that’s just me I guess. If you’ll excuse me I’ll duck now to miss shots coming my way. 😉
wayne
November 11, 2013 @ 2:09 pm
love him or hate him, but compare this list to your favorite artist…
http://www.officialdavidallancoe.com/songlist.htm
CAH
November 11, 2013 @ 4:26 pm
That would be hard to do, Wayne, since DAC is my favorite artist.
DAC even selects outstanding songs from other artists (33rd of August by Mickey Newberry).
TX Music Jim
November 11, 2013 @ 2:14 pm
I’ve seen him 1x at Billy Bobs Texas in Fort Worth about 8 years ago. Good crowd around 2000. Excellent show, perhaps the large rowdy crowd motivated him. He looked horrible but sounded great. Glad I got to see a good show. I respect his music greatly.
Brooke
November 11, 2013 @ 2:43 pm
I’ve been to see DAC twice in the last few years. Each time, the show was around 40 minutes and it was nothing to write home about. But, we knew that going there. It didn’t matter how long he performed, if he walked with a cane to the stage, if he sat down the whole time or if he forgot the words to the songs, it’s DAC and we were there to pay respects to a legend. I am glad that he recovered, I am glad that he released the new song with Hank3 and I am glad that he is still out there doing his thing because it’s what he feels comfortable doing.
blue demon
November 11, 2013 @ 2:43 pm
“When I saw David Allan Coe perform this summer at Willie Nelson”™s 40th Annual 4th of July picnic, it was the most God awful performance of “country” music I had ever seen in my life. His band setup included two keyboards flanking him on the left and right, some weird percussionist guy, and struck the vibe of an underfunded and unrehearsed amateur church band that had set up in the food court of a mini mall in some forgotten region of scary, small-town USA preaching to inbreeds and introverts circa 1987.”
LMAO!! as an introvert myself I wasn’t really offended so much as surprised by the harshness. I realize we can be a wet blanket or at least uncomfortable to be around in social situations but damm. seriously not offended just thought it was a funny to be lumped in with inbreds.
Trigger
November 11, 2013 @ 3:02 pm
Ha! Didn’t mean to bag on introverts (or inbreeds I guess), was just trying to express in words how outmoded and downtrodden the performance was, and those are the words that I found.
Nick
November 11, 2013 @ 2:47 pm
I’ve seen him a few times, not in about 5 years though. Dallas Moore opened for him each time, which musically was the better part if the show.
I don’t recall any voice effects. His stage prescense was weak, but he’s got a lot of years on him. I didn’t get the Dimebag Darrell guitar setup that he used to strum out 3 chord songs, either. All in all, I kept coming back for more because he’s a living legend. Not every song was a winner, but there are enough moments of lyrical genius keep me wanting more.
It’s kind of hard to find, but a music company did a few remaster/ bundle jobs on some of his albums. For anyone looking for great DAC, I’d recommend The Longhaired Redneck/ Rides Again. My favorite Coe albums butted up together.
lugnut
November 12, 2013 @ 2:41 am
Just for the record, that company is the German outfit Bear Family. They specialize only in lavish remasters/box sets for classic country that otherwise hasn’t been available on CD. I believe they did two DAC box sets that cover every album he released while on Columbia Records, in addition to some of the stuff that was only released on a single or B-side as bonus tracks on some discs.
The sets are pricey, like all Bear sets are, but they’re done with care.
Pete Berwick
November 11, 2013 @ 2:50 pm
Was on a bill with him last summer in Kentucky. He had a packed house, played three songs with CONFEDERATE RAILROAD as his backing band. He had the crowd by the balls, and then after practically making them orgasim with YOU NEVER EVEN CALL ME BY MY NAME, he announced that he would be back later with his new band. Later was three hours, almost midnight, and the place emptied out. By the time he came back on he was singing to about 50 people and he was boring as all hell. I couldn’t take it, and left. I believe JERICHO’S comment above is all anyone needs to know. I don’t care how big a legend you are, being a prick and a primadonna, especially to other up-and-coming bands can’t be justified. I firmly believe he is bitter and angry because he never became the househod name that Willie and Waylon and Johnny did. It’s unreal how many people have never even heard of him. More people can tell you who Kris Kristofferson is, and he basically left music for Hollywood decades ago.
Trigger
November 11, 2013 @ 3:39 pm
“I don”™t care how big a legend you are, being a prick and a primadonna, especially to other up-and-coming bands can”™t be justified.”
Of course it can’t, and neither can many of David Allan Coe’s actions. But if you go into a situation that involves David Allan Coe, you can expect nothing less from him. DAC’s reputation precedes him more than probably any other artist in the history of country music. You book him at your joint, you’re deciding to dance with the devil. It may be fun, but you may get burned. I’m not trying to justify or explain away any of his actions. He’s a complete piece of garbage. But that’s also why people continue to come and see him, despite the quality of his show.
David Allan Coe may not be as popular as Kristofferson, but he never dated Janis Joplin and Barbara Streisand. But for the amount of hits and industry accolades he’s received, DAC is surprisingly well-known in my opinion, because of people like Kid Rock and other big stars dropping his name.
Acca Dacca
November 11, 2013 @ 3:11 pm
“Anyone who wants to diminish David Allan Coe”™s importance to country music, whether it”™s because he”™s put out some bad songs, bad albums, has a bad live show, or because he”™s is a bad person, isn”™t paying attention to the full breadth of his contributions…”
The problem being that you could make this argument about essentially ANY of the artists that you lampoon on SCM every day. Sure, almost none of them have had the same type of effect Coe has on the genre, but I feel that naming off all of these flaws and STILL supporting him is a bit odd. So, we praise this “artist” not because he’s a good performer or has had a good song/album in years, but just because he’s an ass and doesn’t make any apologies for it? So does that mean that we should praise Florida Georgia Line because they objectify women and don’t care what people think of them? Or perhaps we should praise Jason Aldean because he started injecting rap into mainstream country music and makes not apologies for that either? And add Blake Shelton in there too because he called out traditionalists as “Old Farts & Jackasses” and doesn’t seem to regret it much, despite a fabricated PR-stained “apology.”
I get that you like the guy; I don’t want to take anybody’s heroes from them. One of mine is John Wayne and I’ll be damned if anybody tells me he shouldn’t be. My problem is that you’re propagating a double standard with Coe that I point out quite often. If we’re being completely objective, Coe is a far worse “person” than any of the Luke Bryans, Jason Aldeans, Taylor Swifts, or FGLs of country music. You yourself admit as much in this article, yet still praise him. So he’s had a few classic songs and a decent amount of integrity for who he is. So what? Integrity is laudable only if it’s positive, in my opinion. I’m sure Hitler had integrity as well but that doesn’t mean he should be admired when he was a despicable person at heart. Granted, in no way am I saying that Coe is Hitler, but I hope you understand my point. I understand yours, I just don’t agree with it. I like plenty of Coe’s songs with “You Never Even Called Me By My Name” and “Please Come to Boston” being two of my favorites. But just because he possesses some measure of self-awareness doesn’t mean I’ve made him one of my role models for musical etiquette. What good is being true to who you are if that person is an awful individual?
Mike
November 11, 2013 @ 5:33 pm
The essence of your argument is “Everyone is a mix of good and bad. Trigger is defending Coe based on his good, and so it is hypocritical to judge Blake Shelton etc. based solely on their bad.”
What, Trigger is arguing is that despite his many serious flaws, David Allan Coe, in contrast, has put out dozens of great, innovative songs that have influenced dozens of great performers. These positives outweigh his flaws.
Tim McGraw, Toby Keith, Blake Shelton, Luke Bryan etc. all have a few good songs, and I think Trigger has acknowledged that.
However, the difference is that there good songs were
1) not great
2) not innovative,
3) did not have that much of an effect on the perceptions of country music.
This does not outweigh the terrible #1s that pushed mainstream country further into the wrong direction.
Eric
November 11, 2013 @ 6:28 pm
“Tim McGraw, Toby Keith, Blake Shelton, Luke Bryan etc. all have a few good songs, and I think Trigger has acknowledged that.
However, the difference is that there good songs were
1) not great
2) not innovative,
3) did not have that much of an effect on the perceptions of country music.
This does not outweigh the terrible #1s that pushed mainstream country further into the wrong direction.”
I don’t think that Tim McGraw should be lumped in with the rest of that crowd. He has had very few terrible #1’s (at least judging by today’s vapid frat-boy “country” standard) and the overall balance of his output throughout his career has been positive, including great songs (in my opinion) such as “Live Like You Were Dying” or “Just to See You Smile”.
Acca Dacca
November 11, 2013 @ 10:17 pm
I consider the assertion that these performers haven’t had any “great” or “innovative” songs to be a gross oversight. I couldn’t care less about Luke Bryan, Jason Aldean or Florida Georgia Line, but the late 90’s crop of performers deserve more respect than you’re giving them here. Sure, Keith, McGraw and particularly Shelton have all thrown their lot in with the pop country crowd, but they had some great and influential tunes once upon a time (well, maybe not Blake, but definitely Toby and Tim).
Trigger
November 11, 2013 @ 5:58 pm
“So, we praise this “artist” not because he”™s a good performer or has had a good song/album in years, but just because he”™s an ass and doesn”™t make any apologies for it?”
“I get that you like the guy.”
These comments in my opinion are a gross reduction of the theme of this article, and completely miss the point of what is trying to be conveyed here, which is the convoluted nature of the David Allan Coe persona, and the dichotomy he presents for both his fans and detractors. At no point in this article did I praise David Allan Coe for his unsavory behaviors or ideals. I went out of my way to criticize them in great detail. I also attempted to present the conflict many David Allan Coe fans feel in relation to his personal behavior. I’m not saying, “He’s a bad person, but you should like him anyway.” I’m saying “He’s a bad person, and that’s just the way David Allan Coe is.”
And comparing David Alan Coe to anyone else—whether that is Florida Georgia Line, Luke Bryan, or Waylon Jennings and Johnny Paycheck—is somewhere between silly and irresponsible. It is apples and blowing balls.
Also, pulling quotes out of this article, regardless of what they are, are going to be unfair, because the point of this article was to portray and honest perspective that takes in both sides, and most quotes are going to be taken from one side or the other. For example, I can counteract the quote you took out of context by posting this one:
“David Allan Coe is a piece of garbage human being. As Al Goldstein once said straight to David”™s face enlisting a cackle from David, “You”™re a fucking degenerate.” He”™s a sexist, racist, scary, weird, train wreck of a man.
See, now I look like a reactionary David Allan Coe hater.
Davey Smith
November 11, 2013 @ 8:05 pm
Acca Dacca, did you ever watch The Conquerer?
Acca Dacca
November 11, 2013 @ 10:23 pm
No, I have not, but I hear that it’s quite terrible. However, what actor hasn’t made a few lousy movies or taken a role that wasn’t right for them? For every stinker that Duke made, he has five movies that are infinitely better. Have you ever seen “The Searchers”, “The Quiet Man”, “Rio Bravo”, “The Cowboys” or “The Shootist”? Those are just a FEW of his great films.
Acca Dacca
November 11, 2013 @ 10:21 pm
I was afraid that you would feel that I didn’t understand your point. Believe me, I do. I just don’t AGREE with your point. I appreciate the fact that you point out that he’s fairly reprehensible, I just don’t think that he necessarily deserves the respect afforded him. This is my PERSONAL feeling on the matter, not a “fact” that I feel that you need to take note of.
RD
November 13, 2013 @ 9:43 am
The irony of Al Goldstein calling David Allan Coe a “fucking degenerate” is rich.
Canuck
November 18, 2013 @ 2:14 pm
Haha! I was just going to post something similar to this, then I read your comment! When Al Golstein is calling you a degenerate, well, that right there says it all, doesn’t it?
Jack Williams
November 18, 2013 @ 2:57 pm
My guess is that it was a compliment. That’s one creepy looking dude.
Big GG
March 7, 2021 @ 9:48 am
Goldstein is a typical liberal dirty pervert.
Dave Pilot
November 21, 2013 @ 5:53 pm
If your frame of reference for favorite DAC songs includes ‘Please Come To Boston’ and ‘You Never Even Called Me By My Name,’ then I’m sorry, but you simply lack a valid frame of reference. You know the jukebox Coe, not the actual songwriter Coe. Nothing Luke Bryan has done or ever could conceivably do will compare with the work DAC was doing when he first went to Nashville. You can easily learn what I mean by searching ‘For the Soul and For the Mind’ on Google and/or Youtube. That’s the genesis of the songwriting Coe being discussed here. That writer over the years doesn’t have many peers and has even fewer betters. But that writer never made the jukebox rotation or got heavy airplay. The songs you reference did. That’s one of the greatest tragedies of his career. Well, at least in terms of the ones that weren’t self-inflicted.
Acca Dacca
November 21, 2013 @ 7:29 pm
If your frame of reference for favorite DAC songs includes ”˜Please Come To Boston”™ and ”˜You Never Even Called Me By My Name,”™ then I”™m sorry, but you simply lack a valid frame of reference. You know the jukebox Coe, not the actual songwriter Coe. Nothing Luke Bryan has done or ever could conceivably do will compare with the work DAC was doing when he first went to Nashville. You can easily learn what I mean by searching ”˜For the Soul and For the Mind”™ on Google and/or Youtube. That”™s the genesis of the songwriting Coe being discussed here. That writer over the years doesn”™t have many peers and has even fewer betters. But that writer never made the jukebox rotation or got heavy airplay. The songs you reference did. That”™s one of the greatest tragedies of his career. Well, at least in terms of the ones that weren”™t self-inflicted.
Yes, and your thinking that I’m in any way basing my argument on his musical contributions as opposed to his personality you lack a valid frame of reference. DUH Luke Bryan hasn’t had anything as good as Coe’s best, but even if he did no one on SCM would admit it no matter who the artist is (I don’t care for Luke Bryan myself, by the way, just making a point). And what’s wrong with my favorite Coe songs being the two mentioned above? And since when does stating favorites mean the same thing as only having heard those two songs? Did I ever say that I was unfamiliar with the man’s music? Don’t tell me: since “Back in Black” is one of my favorite rock songs, I lack a valid frame of reference on classic rock too, don’t I? Please. That, sir, is what you call an OPINION. Even then, that’s beside the point. My favorite Coe songs are not the focal point of this article nor the argument I was making, they were simply a side comment showing that I’m not completely biased. Forgive me, but I just don’t think that has a whole heck of a lot to do with “jukebox Coe” or “lacking a valid frame of reference.”
Mike
May 21, 2015 @ 1:05 am
Coe wrote neither “You Never Even Called Me By My Name” nor “Please Come To Boston”. Oh, and for the record, “Would You Lay With Me In A Field Of Stone” – which he did write – was so close to “If I Needed You” Townes should have had at least a co-write.
FirstHandExperience
July 5, 2018 @ 9:50 pm
Coe didn’t write Please Come to Boston or You Never Even Call Me By My Name. He takes credit for them tho. He is a terrible person who has done terrible things. It’s all about his ego. Waylon said it best…Coe will stab you then ride your coattails.
Dan Bowen
November 11, 2013 @ 3:15 pm
Haha, reading this reminds me of any article written about Shane MacGowan in the last twenty years. It’s a pity when talent train wrecks like that.
CAH
November 11, 2013 @ 4:39 pm
I agree with everything you said, Trig.
DAC is long on fiction (he tells the crowd he wrote every song from Amazing Grace forward, it seems) and he is light on character.
I actually like Kimberly Hastings and I am crazy about Tyler.
I, too, hope to follow Tyler’s career and I hope that it is a long and good one.
DAC is an artist, but he is not a professional, as his lackluster performances reflect.
I have been listening to him since I started college in 1975 and he has been a huge musical influence in my life.
But he doesn’t care about his fans, and that’s too bad, because most of us are pretty devoted.
I used to be buddies with a guy at the local (hole in the wall) gun store and he was an extremely avid gambler.
He got to know DAC by his first name only from gambling in Tunica.
At the annual New Years Eve banquet for the casino’s high rollers, he was sitting with DAC.
The host announced that there were a few celebrities in the crowd and asked them (including DAC) to stand up.
My buddy was shocked that David was, in fact, DAC (whom he had listened to many times over the years).
DAC has been disabled for several years now and really has no business playing on stage anymore.
The stage lights are dimming on this man and it will be our loss one day.
brothbart
November 11, 2013 @ 6:19 pm
I’ve seen Billy Joe twice in the last two years and he is amazing. The first time I saw him I wasn’t sure what to expect and he didn’t disappoint, put on one of the best shows I have ever seen. I saw about a month ago and he put on an even better show. Although he used some of the same lines and stories, he sang for around 2 1/2 hours. It was amazing. If you haven’t seen him perform, I highly recommend it.
I saw DAC this past summer, drove over 3 hours to see him. I wasn’t expect much and new that I could drive all that way and have him either not show up, sing only a few songs or just be horrible. I was talking to people who have seen him numerous times and said he can be great or he can be awful. However, with his age and recent accident it was just to actually see him in person. I was lucky, he put on a decent show. He didn’t sing a lot of his big hits, but it was a good performance. At least I can say I saw him in-person.
I have seen some pretty big/great singers, butI wasn’t lucky enough to see Waylon and I regret that.
James
November 11, 2013 @ 6:23 pm
The bottom line, for me, is that there are far too many people who are not complete pieces of shit that made or make great music which I can spend my money on.
Trigger
November 12, 2013 @ 2:05 pm
I agree with that sentiment in spirit, but at the same time when it comes to your average music artist, you probably don’t want to know what kind of person they are. Writing songs about heartbreak, broken homes, addiction, etc. is like making hot dogs. You don’t want to know what went into making them. Willie Nelson beat the hell out of his first wife in front of his kids. Townes Van Zandt was a drug addict/ womanizer. So was Johnny Cash and George Jones at times in their careers. Was their behavior as bad as David Allan Coe’s? Probably not. But when you base how much you like someone’s music off of their personal character, you’re 1) limiting your music experience 2) giving faith to the idea that your personal interactions or the public image of that artist is a reflection of their true selves.
In fact, artist who are all candy nice to their fans and kiss their ass are usually the ones with the most to hide and make up for. Ones that show true character in either their personal lives and fan interactions are few and far between. And guess what, that goes for all humans, so who are we to judge to harshly?
There’s a artist, Leroy Virgil of the band Hellbound Glory who it is fashionable to hate on right now because he isn’t as nice to his fans as some would like. But guess what, he’s one of the best songwriters out there right now. You want to know how corrupt politicians come to power? It’s because they kiss babies, look people in the eye and tell them how awesome they are, and humans are so gullible they fall for it.
I am not saying personal behavior doesn’t matter because I do think it is a big factor, and it is always refreshing, and always makes me appreciate an artist more when I feel like they are good people. But if we based our music tastes on personal behavior, we’d all be listening to Taylor Swift.
Owen
November 12, 2013 @ 11:37 pm
Amen!
brothbart
November 11, 2013 @ 6:23 pm
Why would you say Elvis’ wasn’t a role model? He treated all people well and he was very charitable. He had a problem with prescription drugs, but that isn’t fully his fault. Did he make mistakes? Sure, but there are lots of things to look up to Elvis for. He was very loyal, which turned out to be a detriment.
Ryan
November 11, 2013 @ 6:33 pm
You nailed it about Coe being a piece of shit. So I don’t understand how this article is pretty much saying we should respect him for being an absolute asshole because he had some good songs and because he doesn’t care to have any respect for anyone else. I honestly believe if it weren’t for “You Never….”, nobody would be talking about him today. In my opinion, Coe is no better than any other sack of crap “artist” out there like many of today’s mainstream acts. For goodness sake, he rapped on his Live at Billy Bobs album. A few good songs can’t overcome the rest of his trash and his shitty performances. It’s obvious by reading what other people wrote that he could t give a shit about his fans, so why should we idolize him as some great legend?
Trigger
November 11, 2013 @ 7:18 pm
I’ll say this: If you think that what I’m saying here is that someone should like or respect David Allan Coe for being an asshole, then you have completely missed the wisdom that was attempting to be conveyed here. And though this ultimately might be my fault because I am the one that wrote it, it is unfortunate nonetheless.
Greg
October 22, 2018 @ 3:56 am
Wisdom? Don’t hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back.
Davey Smith
November 11, 2013 @ 8:10 pm
“River”… it’s enough.
Tim
November 11, 2013 @ 8:11 pm
David Allan Coe is a genius but the same part of his brain that excels his ability to entertain also serves as his own worst enemy. The accident he had was not due to alcohol or drugs. It was his gambling addiction. He was casino hopping.
Coe continues to use an electric guitar and strange background vocal effects instead of his signature acoustic sound and a normal mic. Instead of playing songs like River and Jody Like a Melody, he deflates his shows with boring covers of “Amanda” and “Drift Away.” Sadly, it is all by his choice. The truth is he has the ability to show off his extensive catalog, he chooses not to.
Saying his whole team quit on him after 35 years is also an huge exaggeration. His former manager was probably hired around 1999. DAC has had plenty of people leave his band. Dozens and dozens of musicians have come and gone.
All this being said, he is still to me the greatest country performer of all-time. If you only know Coe for his greatest hits or X-rated albums, do yourself a favor and get the Bear reissues of his old albums on cd. When DAC was younger and in the hands of professional record producers and musicians, his library of music is absolutely incredible.
Blackwater
November 11, 2013 @ 8:44 pm
I saw DAC what I thought was the first show after the accident in Kansas City. No band, just him on stage. I never saw him before and to be honest I’m not that familiar with catalog. I know he’s a legend and I always kicked myself to never see Johnny Cash live, so I figured I needed to see him.
Not gonna lie, it was awful. He just shot out a single verse for countless songs with an amp that was not doing him any justice. He started each one “This is a song I wrote for [Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, etc]. The two guys I went with kindly excused themselves half way through the show and took off. I stayed through the whole thing. The crowd was definitely into it so I thought maybe it was just me. Apparently not. Glad I went, but this article definitely shed some light on what is going on.
Nick
November 11, 2013 @ 8:44 pm
Coe is something of a paradox. That should be a given. Think about the whole persona, especially in his “hay day” if he ever had one.
Here’s a guy who made sure everybody knew he was an ex-con, ragged, hard livin’ outlaw, yet he wrote songs with a signature sweet, lyrical depth. Meaningful lines that have stayed with listeners for decades. Because he remained somewhat underground, he was able to keep the “don’t give a fuck” attitude. He played with a Jekyll and Hyde theme through much of his catalog, and it’s probably an accurate portrayal of his life.
To this day, I wish he never put out the X-Rated albums. Nobody got the joke and it all but ruined any chance he had of a proper legacy. Those songs were never meant to be taken literally, and I don’t believe he is a racist. Heard somewhere he wrote that song about his wife leaving him for a black man as a joke to a black band mate. Don’t know if that’s true, but it makes more sense than willingly sabotaging your career over a pointless song that would obviously never get airplay.
I appreciate the write up. I don’t think I’m on board with all of it, but Coe is vastly overlooked and I’m glad to see somebody give him some genuine thought. Thanks!
lugnut
November 12, 2013 @ 3:09 am
I’ve also heard that a black drummer actually played on…er, *that* song… but yeah, who knows, could just be another DAC story. But yeah, I agree that there’s no way the man is a racist. Prejudiced? Yeah, probably. Racist? Nah…how racist can you be when you’ve frequently expressed your love of classic R&B/soul music and often covered it? (I’ve got a 1983 live bootleg with an 18-minute (!) version of The Supremes’ “You Keep Me Hangin’ On,” and as ridiculous as the very concept of that sounds, it’s awesome.) How racist can you be when your second album is a spoken-word record inspired by black music and the type of street/prison poetry that would ultimately lead to hip-hop, plus you fill the lyrics with messages of black rights? Or, hell, when you’ve had various black band members over the years – regardless of if one of them actually played on the “NF” song or not. And while we’re at it, I think there’s no other way to read “Fuck Anita Bryant” as anything but a pro-gay rights anthem expressed in crude language. It’s a comedy song and obviously not a serious statement, but the underlying message is “Hey, leave the gay people alone.” That’s not something you’d find in a hell of a lot of modern country songs, let alone in 1978, and is one of several indicators that Coe is, or at least once was, a pretty open-minded guy. I’ve just never seen any evidence that he truly has any racist beliefs.
But back to the point, so yeah, he never shoulda cut those records. As you can likely tell by now, I think they contain some stuff that’s actually quite smart and subversive inbetween the songs that have no real merit except being “dirty” songs for kids and the otherwise easily amused, but there’s no doubt they damaged his career irreperrably. Because of those, people are convinced Coe recorded hundreds of racist songs (usually mislabeled Johnny Rebel songs). Even if you consider “NF” to be racist, that’s still only one song and it still doesn’t display the kind of outright venom and hatred found in the songs that people *think* are Coe. I’m sure the obits that get published when he passes will be interesting as media outlets try to toe the line between respectful and accusatory, and I’m sure plenty will do half-ass research and write of him like he was a Klan leader who happened to write some hit songs too. And all of it coulda been avoided if those albums hadn’t ever been officially released (c’mon, we don’t really buy that “someone stole our tapes and pressed bootlegs of it” bit, right?)
Don't believe the hype
November 12, 2013 @ 4:52 pm
Just so you know Nick, at one point in time David Allan Coe had a black drummer that he led around on a leash and referred to as his ‘nigger’. DAC is a terrible person. One of the best ‘stick my neck out’ articles by Kyle i’ve ever read. He’s right. His legacy is very complicated and rich, but his character has unfortunately overshadowed it. DAC cut the first x-rated album with no racist material. His ego got blown up when folks liked it and the second one entered into the new alienating territory. Poor guy can’t get out of his own way.
Eric
November 12, 2013 @ 5:23 pm
“led around on a leash”
Figuratively, I hope. Judging from what I have read about David Allan Coe, I don’t know where the bounds of credulity are when it comes to his past.
Don't believe the hype
November 13, 2013 @ 12:35 am
This comes from Waylon, his brother Tommy and Richie. They all were struggling trying to help eachother as a crew, a scene if you will, and DAC would walk in with some shock-rock factor that wasnt about exposing the death of american culture, more about just trying to prove his outlaw status. DAC was the guy who everyone wanted to rely on his raw talent and would roll in with something as Klassy and Krass as this. Jesus. trust this source
Again, Kyle,u stepped away from what i would associate with maybe your bias based on your core fans, and challenged the bottom feeders to a mirror of language. You did great, GREAT. You know who is complimenting you.
lugnut
November 13, 2013 @ 9:26 am
The leash story is crazy if true. I’m like Eric though, Coe has given so many various conflicting stories about his past, his beliefs, etc., that I never even know what to believe of any of it. (Not that I’m doubting your story, especially if it has the pedigree of Waylon’s word.) But since you mentioned he was always rolling in with a new “shocking” thing to try and impress other artists, and since it sounds like this was after the release of the second ‘X-rated’ album, I’m assuming this was probably just another one of those ill-thought-out gimmicks that happened on just one occasion. I’m sure the drummer must have agreed to go along with it for whatever reason, but regardless it’s still pretty fucking disgusting and inexcusable… though also I’m not still not sure it’s actual proof of him being a racist, just being an idiot.
BTW, the first X-rated album does include a touch of it too in the song “Rails.” This one actually always seemed more questionable to me than “N Fucker” did, since the latter pretty clearly makes the white-guy narrator the butt of the joke. “Rails,” on the other hand, has the line “Well it’s hard to work for a dollar a week, and the Ku Klux Klan is bigger / So take the sheets off of your bed and let’s go hang a…” Now I suppose one could take the overall lyrics of the whole song as representing the voice of a dumbass, knuckle-dragging type redneck who only lives for getting fucked-up and starting fights and writes it all off as “good ol’ boy” fun, and that would be fine… if it weren’t for the fact that that’s exactly the same type of image Coe was trying to represent *himself* as at the time.
And then on the other hand, Coe’s also apologized for writing those songs (one of his newer songs has “I used the N word back when I was a kid / I can’t take back all of the dumb shit I did”), and while he’s never backed off from his stance that they were never intended as anything but jokes, he’s at least acknowledged that they were jokes with a lack of taste and blames himself for not putting enough thought into it before deciding to go ahead and record them.
So who knows where the truth lies? Like with most things DAC, probably somewhere in the middle, if you can even dig through the BS deep enough to find where the middle is. I still don’t believe he’s *truly* a racist at the end of the day, but like I mentioned before, the guy contradicts himself so often that at this point I’m not sure if even *he* knows what he believes anymore. I don’t mean to sound like a huge Coe fanboy/defender – never met the met, never been to one of his shows – mostly I just find the guy utterly fascinating as a human, even if maybe it’s a terrible human under it all. (And heck, I’d love to hear more stories like this if you’ve got any, always just more pieces of the puzzle to look at.)
Trigger
November 13, 2013 @ 9:56 am
Thanks!
Derrick
November 11, 2013 @ 9:13 pm
Interesting discussion.
The only thing I have to add right now is that I saw DAC at Billy Bob’s and at Cowboys Red River in the early 00s – and he was fantastic both times.
But then, 10+ years is a long time.
Toby in AK
November 11, 2013 @ 9:34 pm
I love this piece, it might be my favorite article I’ve read so far on this blog. I liked that it surprised me, I couldn’t predict where you were going with this, and you showed both the good and bad of the man.
I’ve never really been a DAC fan. I don’t like that he name drops so often. I don’t like his persona, how it seems he tries so hard to be a rebel (an a-hole really). I don’t think he’s a good vocalist. But I think he’s a fantastic, fantastic songwriter.
Rick Saunders
November 11, 2013 @ 9:53 pm
Played in a band that opened for him many years ago. We had concerns over the racism charges but our bass player was friends with Kid Rocks bassist and he said he was a nice guy. We never found out. His bus arrived 10 minutes after his band started and he was back on the bus and down the road 15 minutes before his band finished. That’s ok. Some folks can’t hang. But the show was boring, his band led by Warren Haynes was adequate at best, and most of the show was a medley of songs he was disgruntled weren’t hits for him and disgusted that the college crowd didn’t care about.
Eh. I’ve got my vinyl copy of Just Divorced and that redeems the bulk of the rest of his bullshit.
Cheers for another fine piece, sir.
Mike
May 21, 2015 @ 1:30 am
I often wonder what warren feels about those years.
lugnut
November 12, 2013 @ 3:20 am
Regarding DAC being “a piece of garbage” and whatnot, lord knows I’ve read lots and lots of stories of him being shitty to venue owners/staff and/or opening acts, but doesn’t he have a fairly decent reputation when dealing with fans? I’ve never seen one of his shows since anytime he’s been in the area somehow I’ve always either been broke at the time or don’t hear about it until the day after, so I’ve no idea how they go these days, but I know I’ve read stuff that he can usually be found before/after shows playing in the casino (since casinos are all he seems to play now) and that as long as you don’t bug him while he’s actively playing a game, he’s usually happy to chat with fans or let them take a picture together or whatever.
So is he just an asshat to the folks he works with and cool to the fans, or are those positive fan experiences the exception rather than the rule?
Dan
November 12, 2013 @ 5:03 am
People can forgive a weak live performance in an aging legend…I saw George Jones about a year before he passed on and his singing was greatly deminished. We still loved him because he really worked hard for the whole show. He was giving all he had left for the fans he loved
The problem with DAC (and Bob Dylan, for that matter) is he just dosen’t give a shit about the people who put him on that stage. Both DAC and Dylan would blow farts in the the mic all night if they had the urge.
PS: Ill add Leon Redbone to that list also.
Canuck
November 18, 2013 @ 5:21 pm
Agreed about George Jones. I saw him the better part of 10 years ago, and he gave it his all, even though he wasn’t the vocal powerhouse he once was. Nonetheless, the crowd appreciated it, cheered him on, ate it up, and thoroughly enjoyed the show.
Same with Kris Kristofferson. Just him up there with his guitar, harmonica, and voice. He’s getting up there, but he gave us his money’s worth. One of my favorite shows ever. He played every single song you’d expect, plus a few gems. He obviously gave a shit about his fans.
Dylan and Coe? Two guys resting on their past laurels. Yeah, you can ride the nostalgia train for a while with fans, but once the fans catch on to the fact you’re phoning it in and not putting on a decent show not because you’re not physically able to, but because you don’t care, well then you’re sunk.
I would also add a Dwight Yoakam show I saw in the past year to the Dylan/Coe list. DY totally phoned it in, looked like he didn’t want to be there, and didn’t give a rat’s ass about the sound mix. I’ve read other reviews, and there’s no way he wasn’t aware of the mix, as countless other shows said the same thing.
Bottom line is, if you’re gonna take people’s money for a show, at least have some sort of minimum standard you’re willing to set for yourself as a performer. Otherwise, get the hell off the stage and pack it in.
Chunky Coal
June 2, 2019 @ 11:35 am
Have to disagree strongly on some of the examples you use. Bob Dylan’s voice is what it is at this point, and anybody complaining about it couldn’t have said much different 20 or 30 years ago. But both he and Dwight Yoakam have more to say in their songwriting and care about the craft more than 90% of the current crop of performers. Dwight still plays loud, a nod to his early punk-infused Hollywood club days, so there’s always the risk for problems in the mix. And he plays fast and without pause between songs .. but I don’t think he’s mailing in many performances. And Dylan’s band is as good as any touring these days. Comparing either of these guys with Coe, who has an outwardly sloppy and disinterested stage act, is off the mark, in my opinion anyway.
J. Burke
November 12, 2013 @ 5:50 am
I want to qualify my main comment by stating that I am a big fan of early DAC music and have the records to prove it. However, the one live show I saw wasn’t great but wasn’t bad either. The most annoying part was how he would talk about the songs he wrote and what a great song writer he was and then sing about ten songs. But only one was one that he wrote. I went with a friend who was totally unfamiliar with Coe and he actually thought that DAC wrote all the songs in the set.
kocis
November 12, 2013 @ 6:05 am
He was doing the medleys back in 1994
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbjNqIMyFzg
CapnWain
November 12, 2013 @ 2:52 pm
Interesting article…
I’ve never been a big DAC fan, though I have some albums and love some of his earlier work. The reason I haven’t been more of a fan was that I had the displeasure of seeing a biography on him that allowed him way too much time to speak… and he came across as a racist douchebag. Maybe it was edited to make him look bad, but the words that came out were his words and thoughts.
But I’m sure a lot of artists, movie stars, sports stars, etc, if I took the time to research them, would disappoint me as well. So I try my best to stick to the art or whatever of the performer and focus on that, and not so much on their personal lives. If one becomes really out there though, I will pull back support of them. In the case of DAC, I’ve never seen him live, but I’ve bought the records, and still enjoy some of his music.
Joe
November 12, 2013 @ 2:58 pm
A very fair piece. a complicated individual, probably not a good person. but he wrote “Jody like a Melody”, “Would You Lay with Me”, and others. Gotta respect that.
Saw him live at a fair a couple years back and maybe he phoned it in a bit(wasn’t terrible, wasn’t wonderful) but I’m glad to say I got to see DAC live.
Dana M
November 12, 2013 @ 4:35 pm
This is disappointing to read. I discovered David Allan Coe when I dug up my parents old records recently and listened to “Family Album” on their record player. It just blew my mind the quality of the songwriting and the music and it made me an instant fan. I still enjoy his music but it would’ve been nice to play ignorant is bliss.
RD
November 12, 2013 @ 7:55 pm
With Coe there is no way to know what is truth and what is bullshit and lies infused with bluster and bravado. He’s told a thousand different and conflicting accounts of his time in prison. I’ve heard him talk about how he used to get drunk and high every day and then I heard him say that he never really started drinking until he was in his 50’s. I’ve seen him play a half dozen times, and I’ve never seen him drunk. He claimed that he was on death row for killing a guy that tried to rape him. Nobody can find any evidence that he ever killed anyone, or that he was ever on death row. He’s claimed to be born in, or have grown up, in a thousand different places, although it appears that he is actually from Akron. He wrote some songs that, if taken literally, and from his point of view, are racist. On the same albums he also wrote songs that appear to be promoting incest and pedophilia.
Its a testament to how insane and race-obsessed our culture is that, on the same albums, Coe can sing about just wanting to fuck his daughter “one more time” and that he is sure he “raised his daughter right and taught her how to fuck,” and this is ignored, but people are apoplectic that he used the “n” word. Americans really are a stupid people.
Lunchbox
November 12, 2013 @ 10:57 pm
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Eric
November 13, 2013 @ 12:02 am
The racial issues go far deeper than just using the n-word. In “Lay Me Down Some Rails”, Coe says “let”™s go hang a n*****”. I would rank that as far more egregious than lyrics about sex, even incest.
RD
November 13, 2013 @ 3:32 am
I agree, Eric, and I was wondering why no one had mentioned that line before. My point is that I think all the songs on those albums are bullshit and should be viewed as such.
Eric
November 13, 2013 @ 12:01 am
The racial issues go far deeper than just using the n-word. In “Lay Me Down Some Rails”, Coe says “let’s go hang a n*****”. I would rank that as far more egregious than lyrics about sex, even incest.
Owen
November 13, 2013 @ 12:05 am
I can’t get enough of his records. He’s a brilliant writer, used to have a great voice, and I can’t stress enough how much love I have for his music, especially the Columbia releases from the 70’s.
That being said, I’ve seen him live 3 times. First time was in the early 2000’s, and it was dreadful. He was rapping, he was talking non stop about Kid Rock, and the medleys…oh…the medleys. The second time was a few years later, and it was a bit better. Same with the third time. None of the shows were great, but I was there to see DAC, a man with a musical legacy that I respect the hell out of, and I’m still glad I got to see him.
At a point in time, I was hopefuly that Rick Rubin would go to DAC, and make a series of singer/songwriter records like he did on the American Recordings with Johnny Cash. I still do think it would be pretty badass if he did it, but honestly, I’ve grown to accept the man for what he is. He’s an Outlaw in every sense of the word. He’s doing it his way, win, lose, or draw.
I love the records, I respect his contributions, and always will. But I’d probably never want to share a condo with the guy.
Great write up, Trig!
Matt
November 13, 2013 @ 7:46 am
To anyone wondering why DAC plays a Dimebag model Washburn/Dean check out Rebel Meets Rebel. It is basically Pantera’s last album. DAC replaced Phil Anselmo and it is…unique. I think its a very good album, but it’s a bit of an acquired taste.
Bill
November 13, 2013 @ 2:33 pm
I’m glad somebody brought up “Rebel Meets Rebel” because it’s a kickass album. Yeah, definitely an acquired, and probably ahead of its time when it came out, but it’s a lot of fun and it was one of my favorite albums to come out that year.
Tim
November 13, 2013 @ 1:51 pm
DAC- I like some of his music, but beyond that I don’t have much of an opinion of the man. I kind of figured he was an asshole.
I do know he name drops a lot, but those name drops never really had anything to do with him. Waylon, Willie, Cash….they ever really hang with him? Waylon gave his opinion on DAC’s image in Waylon’s autobiography. That it was just an image for the most part.
His incest music is about as egregious as it gets, way beyond the N-word stuff, but I think he saw the “outlaw” movement was not taking him up like others and thought…”hell, I’ll show you outlaw”.
I don’t know that you have to respect him to on some level, “appreciate” he is the image he portrays. A don’t give a shit, S.O.B, that does whatever the hell he wants.
Bill
November 13, 2013 @ 2:51 pm
I’ve grown up loving his music and he is still truly my favorite Country artist of all time. Won’t say much about the man himself or his beliefs ( I don’t know him) but I do find him to be a very fascinating individual and this is one of the most entertaining reads I’ve come across in a long time.
As for live performances, well, I’ve seen him once. It was in October of 2005 in Springfield, Mo. at what was then called “the Rockwell”. The band for that particular show consisted of Him (with the aforementioned Dean guitar), Tyler (also on guitar), another guy (on guitar), a drummer, and that’s it. No bass player and no keyboards for this gig. I remember loving the show but I had somewhat of an idea of what to expect and I was just grateful for being there to see him. I will say that when he tore into “the ride” I got hellacious goosebumps.
dan_ga
November 15, 2013 @ 12:15 pm
I saw DAC when he played at a bar in Athens Georgia in ’96 or ’97. I was just getting into his music, so I don’t think I fully appreciated the show and I don’t recall it being anything special. Tomorrow night I’m going to go see him at a bar in Austell, Ga. It will be interesting to see how much my perspective has changed and how much his live show has gone downhill. Either way, I figure this may be the last chance I get to see him perform live so I’m going to try to embrace it for what it is.
dan_ga
November 23, 2013 @ 8:10 am
Just a quick update to my previous post…
So I went to see DAC at B3 Bar in Austell, GA 11/16. I paid an additional $30 to do the “meet and greet”, which consisted of him sitting on a stool and being ushered in for a quick picture and autograph. He didn’t bother to make eye contact, shake hands, speak or otherwise acknowledge most of the people doing the M&G. The guy taking the money made a point of telling everyone not to touch him. I saw several people trying to take his picture from across the merch table and they were stopped by his security.
For the show itself, it was a brisk 45 minute set, basically one long medley with him sitting on a stool the whole time and never playing all the way through a given song. He started with Shaver’s “Fast Train to Georgia”, did “Drift Away” by Dobie Gray (later covered by Uncle Kracker), Kracker’s “Follow Me”, Kid Rock’s “Only God Knows Why”, and parts of several songs I had never heard. “Please Come To Boston” was the only DAC song I recognized. No “Long Haired Redneck”, no “Take This Job and Shove It”, no “The Ride”, no “You Never Called Me By My Name”. When he left the stage the audience stayed for several minutes, thinking that surely there would be an encore, but there was no encore. Everyone left peacefully, but there were definitely some disappointed folks.
I got my pic with DAC so I’m happy but it did nothing to contradict the less-than-favorable opinions others had posted about the man. I’m content that I’ll probably never see him perform again.
Brad Cochran
June 14, 2020 @ 3:42 am
I was at that same show I was sitting right out front I remember the sound suck you couldn’t hear his voice and it was probably 20 minutes long and he got up to say fuck it because you look dead at me and ask me does the sound suck and I said yep sounds like shit he got up and he left.
Tom The Polack
November 16, 2013 @ 5:00 am
Mr. Triggerman
I remember once, when Jayke Orvis posted his comment on your blog, saying that you try to convince people who is ‘cool’ or who isn’t. It was about Shooter Jennings if I’m not mistaken. I don’t like Shooter Jennings and things he does, but Jayke was right. Now you’re attacking DAC (not the first time), who is one of the best, and one of the most underrated country singers. He’s a real country lengend. He’s a real deal. Definitely much better than lots of the Grand (?) Ole Opry stars singing stupid and boring love songs, through many decades. If DAC gives some poor live performances from time to time, that’s his own business. His ‘racism’ and ‘sexism’ were only a joke, and everyone knows that, except you. Two joke albums which were not recommended for air – play. His personal life shouldn’t interest you. The wig on his head shouldn’t either. Everyone knows he’s got silver hair and a skullet. His painted face, colourful clothes and a black mask in the early days of his career were very strange, but it was just for show. This article has nothing to do with the idea of saving country music, like some articles you post here. You’re a very influential writer on the web, so be aware what you write. Leave Mr. David Allan Coe alone. He has done much more for country music than people like you. By writing such crap, you’re not saving country music, you’re destroying it. Yeah, damn right, you’re destroying it!
Quoting DAC:
“And I don’t need some turkey telling me that I ain’t country.
Say’en I aint worth a damn old, ticket that he bought.”
Anyway, I like you’re website, but better focus on reviewing good country albums, describing interesting real country events, etc. than writing such bullshit!
Trigger
November 16, 2013 @ 11:55 am
Tom,
With all due respect, if you think that what I did here was attack David Allan Coe to tear him down and label him “not cool,” then either you stopped reading at some point, or you completely missed what this article was attempting to convey. I would very strongly encourage you to go back and re-read it, or read the numerous comments here that say I’m defending an indefensible man, and not attacking him (Just so you don’t have to sift through them, here is an example: https://savingcountrymusic.com/wp-admin/comment.php?action=editcomment&c=498710)
Try to understand that it was my attempt to illustrate the dichotomy of David Allan Coe.
Also, it is my opinion, and it has been proven out by the success of this website, that the best way to spread the word about music that is worthy of more ears, whether that is music by David Allan Coe, Jayke Orvis, or anyone else, is to not put it on a pedestal, but to be honest about it. I don’t run a fan zine. By presenting music with both its strengths and weakness, it conveys an earnest attempt to give opinions without bias, to create trust between my writing and readers that I am giving my honest opinions not simply based on taste or popularity, but honesty.
It is also my opinion that the current culture of refusing to listen to criticism in certain segments of the “underground” has resulted in the current struggles of certain artists and entities, while the value for criticism has resulted in the launching and sustainability of others.
Scotty J
November 16, 2013 @ 12:54 pm
Comment below referred to this comment. Thought I had hit reply.
Tom The Polack
November 17, 2013 @ 5:18 am
I have read your article carefully as I always do, especially when I went to post a comment. I am not an ignorant, as you’re trying to suggest. I won’t change my opinion about your writing.
End of the story.
Scotty J
November 16, 2013 @ 12:48 pm
Hey Trigger I’m intrigued by your last paragraph. Was wondering if you can expand on that thought or point me to where you have written about this.
Trigger
November 18, 2013 @ 11:47 am
I don’t have a specific article I can link to for the subject, though I’ve covered it in passing many times, and to cover it accurately, it probably would require an entire article.
But I’ll just say that certain segments of the “underground” talk about only wanting to be positive, and really really “supporting” the music by ostracizing any individual or opinion that may simply be meant to nudge or offer advice to artists. And those segments are where you see artists finding absolutely no traction and not being able to create sustainable careers in music, while the artists that avoid those segments that avoid that underground culture like Sturgill Simpson, Austin Lucas, and Lindi Ortega for example, are taking off.
DACFan
November 18, 2013 @ 12:59 pm
I have seen DAC a few times in the last decade and even opened up for him once in 2010. He is one of the all-time greats of country and his Columbia years (roughly 1973-1987) are one of the best country music catalogs you will ever hear. And those albums contain the “real” DAC IMHO.. 95% of his audience comes out for the “x-rated” and “redneck novelty” tunes but that’s ultimately a very small part of his songwriting oeuvre.
As far as his alleged racist/sexist tendencies… if you’re going to judge artists by a strict moral code you’re gonna have a pretty small music collection. I’m Waylon dropped his share of N-bombs and did plenty of rails too.
Having said that. There isn’t a single “name” artist of ANY genre that probably puts on a worse live show than David Allan Coe. I can deal with the short concerts, the medleys and the name-dropping in-between songs — that’s old school showbiz. But DAC is pretty much a mess musically. Why not a simple acoustic instead of the heavy metal half stack? And that vocal harmonizer is a joke. The drummers are always terrible and his son is pretty much stage fodder just standing all glum just lazily strumming chords on the SG. (In all fairness he seems to be more there out of a family obligation and has musical interests in other areas…)
There’s periods where Coe will have one competent country picker up there but not always. And seriously: HE DOESN’T EVEN HAVE A BASS PLAYER. This is not about an aging artist who “can’t hit the same notes he used to.” This is about a guy who doesn’t even achieve the minimum standards for a competent musical experience. Amazingly, the crowd eats it up like he is a god but this is the “emperor’s new clothes” of country music.
Jonathon Penick
November 18, 2013 @ 6:42 pm
Bossier City & Crazy Mary. 2 of his best songs. Ill also agree with a previous poster. It is really a shame that more people havent heard anything more than Underground Album and Nothing Sacred. True, thats what he’s really known for, but he has some genuinely good country songs. Also, Sad Country Song is another good one
Tom The Polack
November 19, 2013 @ 1:34 am
“Texas Lullaby”, “Longhaired Redneck”, “Fuzzy was an Outlaw”, “Atlanta Song”, “London Homesick Blues” (a really good cover), “A piece of wood and steel”, “Wild Irish Rose”, his version of “House of the Rising Sun”, and “Rollin’ in my sweet baby’s arms” and the list goes on… DAC has written and performed lots of perfect country songs, which ain’t explicit, but tunfortunately, you’re right – people don’t know his songs very much and oftes say only about his two underground albums.
GR
November 19, 2013 @ 9:48 am
I would go see him again as long as I knew for a fact Kimberly’s microphone would be turned off.
Jon LaFonte
December 31, 2013 @ 1:35 pm
I disagree about your views on his contribution to country music. David Allen Coe is a has been that never really was. I saw him in 1989 and walked out of the show after a long drunkend coke fuled rant he went on that made no sense. He was so faded he had to sit down to play, if you want to call it playing. His guitar skills were terrible, he looked like Dimebag Darrel and Keith Richards fucked and had a love child. His racist songs of the past don’t help my views on him either. Most of the other relevant artist from the “outlaw” era didn’t even respect him once they knew him. I pray that he can find a healthier perspective now that he is in his elder years; but I’m no fan of his.
Funkbo
December 31, 2013 @ 2:07 pm
I will always love Human Emotions and have my old vinyl copy.
melissa johnson
July 2, 2014 @ 8:56 pm
He does have a gambling problem or more like a losing problem. He has played several times at Hollywood Casino at Tunica to pay off debts. I know because I used to work there.
melissa johnson
July 2, 2014 @ 8:57 pm
I am assuming that is the reason for the other casino shows.
Rodeo Barton
July 17, 2014 @ 8:48 am
Wow!! Great article and many interesting remarks. I worked for and with DAC for over 16 years and even played on the underground albums–which by the way–were recorded and produced only as a money making venture and they made a ton of money. The Band was DAC’s road band and didnt get any studio fees just their normal salary–the cost of the album, jacket and wrap was $.50 per album and they sold only thru Easy Rider Magazine for many years at $50 a shot. This was the income stream that the IRS busted DAC for and garnished his royalties for several years. But the point is , these 2 albums were made to sell, not for radio play and they have sold hundreds of thousands of copies–so they did exactly what they were intended to do–make money. If you think about it, it was a brilliant marketing strategy. The comments about DAC having a black drummer were completely false , but he did have black musicians, one being Chris Famous and DAC was only racist when it was necessary for the story he was telling or the situation he was in. He was and still is a chameleon of sorts, who changes to fit the situation he is surrounded with. He can be anything from a down and dirty mean biker to a well spoken southern gentleman, but everything DAC does—has a reason and that reason usually benefits DAC. I would love to chat with Trigger sometime!
Trigger
July 17, 2014 @ 11:30 am
Rodeo,
Reach out to me and we’ll chat.
https://savingcountrymusic.com/contact
sarah
October 11, 2014 @ 5:37 pm
I think anyone that has anything bad to say about this man needs to shut the hell up he is a musical genius and should get more recognition for what he has done in his life so what he cant perform like he did when he was 20 years old he is 75 almost died a year ago and he is still out there doing the damn thing he is a nice man if you talk to him do you want to be bothered by idiots while your trying to eat a meal or simply walk down the street he is old old people are grumpy what don’t people understand about that he has done more in his life then 17 people together and do you know his life story my guess is that you don’t so until you take the time out to listen to his story and understand his lifestyle then don’t pass judgement keep your bullshit to yourself he should get more respect from the country music industry not just country music all music and because he don’t I think its fucked up
Tom
October 12, 2014 @ 8:34 am
I like a lot of his songs. If I tried to research the moral character of all entertainers that I watch or listen to, I’d go crazy, and I suspect I’d be extremely sad and disappointed. Interesting story, though.
Martaize
October 19, 2014 @ 4:21 pm
This article is BS. Mr.Coe might be some of those things, but he is not a racist, I guarantee it. The songs he wrote about racism were simply for comedic reasoning, that’s why he never published them mainstream only in the back of biker magazines. David has several “black” friends including his former long time drummer, and his drummer father. Mr. Coe has signed an autograph for me shook my hand, and tell this day say he no where near racist. Now w I understand a white supremacist denie he’s racist, would he have pictures of a “black” man all on his tour bus wall, would he hire a drummer who happens to be “black” and is married to a “white” woman, would he have shaken my hand; I wouldn’t think so. I don’t hear anyone talking about how racist most of these rappers are, when they use words like “nigga, cracka, white man, black bitches, white bitches, rebelling against the white man(gov)”, in a lot of there songs. It’s the same difference to me. David Allan Coe is a true country legend who gets a bad rap. He’s no Johnny Rebel.
Trigger
October 19, 2014 @ 9:04 pm
This was not an article about David Allan Coe being a racist. It is unfortunate that with everything said, that is what you walked away with.
Martaize
October 19, 2014 @ 9:11 pm
I never said it was a article about him being racist, but that is what I decided to comment on. I am fortunate enough to comment on anything I want and reading this article again, still proves it’s bs.
Martaize
October 19, 2014 @ 9:58 pm
I’m saying this article is bs, not because you say he is racist, but because you have no clear opposing view. I dont know rather you’re persuading me to dislike Mr. Coe’s character or something of the contrary. One line you say he’s a piece of shit human being, weird, disrespectful and a train wreck of a man, than go on to glorify him later in your text. You say he’s a awful human being and for the same reasons he is also an American treasure, how can that be? If you are a “sexist” and a “racist” and a train wreck of a man, how can you be an American treasure? You cant, unless you respect him for being a “sexist and “racist” and a train wreck, which I think he’s neither. While it’s correct to have opposing views, you took no real stance. You bashed his character, by pointing out his personal flaws, which shouldn’t be done in an editorial. Where is your pro-active approach? You didn’t have a strong conclusion either, if you would call that a conclusion. That’s why I say this editorial is bs!
Trigger
October 19, 2014 @ 10:22 pm
Martaize,
“I”™m saying this article is bs, not because you say he is racist, but because you have no clear opposing view.”
See, this is the problem with media today right there. Everyone must present a hardline opposing viewpoint to any person or issue in a clearly back and white manner, and hold on to that viewpoint vehemently and regard anyone with a different viewpoint as absolutely wrong.
This article was an attempt to do the very exact opposite of that, and if you read many of the comments, you will see that is how it was taken by lots of people. I am openly admitting that I am conflicted by David Allan Coe, by his personal behavior on one hand, and his measure as a country music artist on the other. I refuse to take a “clear opposing view.” That is bullshit, and the root of many problems in society today. I will like David Allan Coe and his music despite some of the unsavory aspects of his personality, and I don’t give a shit what anyone has to say about it. THIS is the long and short of what I am saying here. I apologize if modern media has trained you to believe a viewpoint such as this is not possible, or is somehow pussing out, or is diseased. But it is my exact, unfettered opinion about David Allan Coe, shared while not caring what anyone thinks about it, or how it will be received.
I hope this makes sense, because I want you to understand.
Martaize
October 19, 2014 @ 11:11 pm
I only stated that you should have a clear opposing view because you labeled this piece if writing as an editorial. So I only can go by editorial guidelines. Yes sir modern media has trained me that way, but only with certain bodies of writing. I understand this is you unfetted opinion and you don’t care what anyone thinks of it. I respect your opinion for sure but by English law this would be an opinion article, not so much an editorial. In that case I had no right to call your opinion bs, and I apologies for it, but if I turned this article in to my professor as an editorial assignment, she would say the same thing. I do appreciate you for taking time out of your day to comment on my comment even though I got a little disrespectful.
Ernest
November 14, 2014 @ 2:41 pm
Most singers I’ve met and worked with over the years are not what I’d call great human beings.
Name (required)
February 15, 2015 @ 4:45 pm
David Coe is a suck shit punk.
OK he had a tough life, but he is still just a suck shit punk.
SlickkciD_RebelBorn
April 1, 2015 @ 6:36 pm
Look,the man is an arrogant jack ass opinionated bastard. I love it. He does what he wants and when he wants. He’s lived a life that many couldn’t wrap their tiny citified minds around if they had their whole life. He’s done things that can’t be talked about. The ma is a fucking legend for a reason. Ever hear “Take this job and shove it”, “Please come to Boston”, “Would you lay with me”? David Allan Coe wrote these all hits. Wtf do you expect from a man that HAS been to prison, written about Ni__er fucking and is literally covered in scars. The man won’t give you a strait answer about his past because he has broken more laws than you know exist. I have seen many of his shows, including Willie’s Picnic 40th anniversary, and I have never been let down. I have payed a cover and the man hasn’t shown. However, I have also been at a shit hole bar and he comes out of no where, borrows a guitar, and plays a set of roughly 10 songs. Granted, some of these where off color but your in a redneck bar and we expect nothing less.
The point of the ramble above is that while he is a pos and a sorry bastard he is a LIVING LEGEND. He will tell you to go f off b/c he is David Allan Coe. He admits his sister was a whore and he came from trash. The man has not changed nor ever will. That is the beauty of it all. If you can look me in the eye, tell me to f off b/c you don’t like me, and if you have a problem step out back I’ll whip your ass I’ll buy your next round. The great King George, fuck you all George Strait is not king Jones is, did not show up for numerous shows. He lost his record label due to this but all was forgiven for him. Lets forgive HIM for this, induct him into the Kennedy Center with honors, and hang the man that does the same because he is a degenerate.
When he is gone country music, and quite frankly the nation, will lose most of the NUTS that it has left. The man is a walking BADASS show because he doesn’t care. Hank Senior did the same and we call him father of country music. He’s racist to an extent grow up in the south and you will too. I fly the rebel flag proud not all for racism. One of my good friends is black and sees things the way I do. There is shit in every race. He (and I probably) are that of our race and fuck you if you don’t like it. I believe tell a man when he can’t hang because he doesn’t have the sand. Maybe, not likely, but maybe he will grow a pair and man up. The great things the man has done for the industry from writing, attitude, and his recordings can not be argued. If you don’t like that GROW A PAIR yourself. If you do that and still say the man is a bastard with no use YOU can KISS MY COUNTRY ASS.
crafty
June 3, 2015 @ 2:51 am
DAC is ALL those things this writer and most of commenters have said, no doubt about it. He’s also about the only guy I personally hold a lot of those feeling for but still simply MUST listen to him. It may have been said somewhere in the slew of comments but probably THE most underrated singer/song writer of any generation. He is country’s Bob Dylan. Sure, in terms of pure song writing, there are others I will put along side Coe; Kristofferson, Shaver to name two. However, those two combined don’t have the catalog DAC does in sheer volume and that has to say something. I haven’t seen Coe live, a severe oversight on my part and better make that a priority before he is gone forever. One thing’s for sure, people will have every right to both sob at and piss on his grave when that time comes. I’m sure he wouldn’t have it any other way.
Galley Wench
August 8, 2015 @ 9:14 pm
My husband and I went to hear your dad sing in Houston, last month. But we couldn’t hear him over Kim, whom I thought, must be his granddaughter…WTF?
Rodeo Barton
September 1, 2015 @ 8:06 am
Just finished reading the newest remarks to this thread and it seems that no one has really hit a “home run” about DAC’s shows in the last few years. He played here in Marietta Georgia last Feb. and I went to the show and sat and recalled old stories for a couple of hours. The one thing that everyone seems to miss is that DAC is almost completely deaf. He cannot hear the music he is playing nor can he hear his band and its very difficult to sing in tune when you cant hear the tune. He keeps playing because that is his main source of income and on rare occasions he enjoys himself while on stage. His band was unfamiliar with most of the songs he played and they hardly even played at all on most songs. DAC did a decent show and the crowd –a full packed house of perhaps 700-800 absolutely loved the show. For him to continue to perform he needs to seek some sort of hearing assistance other than just LOUDER. Perhaps he should look into the implants that Rush Limbaugh uses. DAC just did a couple of shows over in NC last month(Aug) and my old bandmate and DAC’s x bassist–Mickey Hayes played with him along with Mickeys Lead guitarist from his Sharkadelics Band and I have heard the shows were pretty good. It helps when a decent band back him up and the music is much better. I would like to put together a reunion tour of a few dates with DAC, Warren Haynes-lead guitar, Mickey Hayes-bass, Big Al Lauro- drums, Tommy Irwin-steel guitar and myself–rhythm guitar. It would have to be a short tour maybe 4 or 5 shows due to Warren’s heavy schedule but it would certainly be a very entertaining show and have Warren’s band Govt Mule on the same ticket–thats probably the only way it would work for Warren. What do yall think?
John Bozeman
September 28, 2015 @ 7:19 pm
Rodeo, if you put that band together with him, I’ll trek to see all of those shows. That was one of his best bands. That’s what is missing now is the fact he doesn’t have guys like that to back him up, when he needs that now more than ever.
Mark Kemp
December 20, 2015 @ 1:57 pm
David Allan Coe is about as much of an “American treasure” as Donald Trump. So Coe wrote a few “indelible, important and influential songs.” Big whoop. The world would have survived without them. He’s a scumbag and an asshole. Is a sincere member of the KKK “an inspiration in the way he is blatantly obvious about who he is, what he wants, and what he believes”? I’m sorry, I’m not buying that.
FPC
January 13, 2016 @ 10:34 pm
“Inbreeds and introverts”. So you’re lumping them both together? Anyone who’s more quiet than the average person is a freak then I guess.
Todd
February 18, 2016 @ 1:55 pm
I have seen him 5 or 6 times and it’s always a privilege. Some nights are better than others. I met him after a show in Shreveport, LA in the casino. He had just won a jackpot on a 50 cent machine and was waiting on the payout from the casino. My wife and I went up and talked to him. Really nice guy, super polite and friendly (maybe due to the winnings and the drink in his hand).
Anyway – he’s a legend. If you haven’t seen him, go before he’s dead.
Rob
February 24, 2016 @ 12:29 pm
DAC came from the days of my youth, and anyone who can’t comprehend all he done in 50 years to form country, has no class PERIOD. They prefer electronic looped Kanye or Chesney, and think they are “original” and the best ever; who lip sync or just play a CD backtrack. Yeah right. Those are all the “Common Core” school losers, who have to follow the latest trend “to fit in”. Can you see anyone going to their class reunions and dancing to “Baby Got Back” or “twerking”? Dave comes from the days before color TV, cell phone, computers, and you have to have lived without that BS to understand all he stands for. How can any young loser relate life without a cell phone nailed to their fingers? They can’t.
One day when they break away from “the corporate Rat race” in their meaningless lives, only then will they understand Dave. He’s one who does whatever the hell he wants, and don’t give a dam about what anyone thinks. Who is anyone to judge anyone else? Jealious? Once anyone can break away, can you only relate and appreciate all he is and done. I’m just like Dave; as 1000s of others. We are the only honest people who don’t give a dam what people think, and flip off big Gov, and those that follow blindly the Big corporate life they are tied to at their hips. We live life as we all want – Freely! Isn’t that the “Freedom” we all look for? The rest of you are lost in your corporate formed lives, blindly forced to serve the rich and powerful, and you are all too stupid to comprehend it.
God Bless Dave and our thoughts and prayers are always with you. We love you haven’t changed or sold your soul for the corporate money they dangle infront of people to change them! Only us 1% who hasn’t are the true “Freedom” lovers in America today! We not only dream the life, but live it ON OUR TERMS! Rob
Rod
July 24, 2016 @ 12:31 am
1976 Louisville Kentucky, opening band Cowboy George and the Beer Drinking Rodeo Band.
Macauley Theater. David comes out with a long black wig and face painted white and performs
some magic tricks. Can’t get the handcuffs off so someone tosses him a key and he raises his hands in Victory after unlocking himself. He say’s I know a lot of you out there are drinking and smoking tonight,
“I’m On Drugs” . He proudly and loudly proclaims. The entire right side of the Theater was full of
Outlaw Motorcycle Club members from all over the United States. The middle and left section
and balconies were full of regular folks and Old Regular Country music fans.
He let the opening band finish their set to return later looking different. Every other word he said was
Funk & Funking. You know what I mean. The Old Folks were leaving in Droves. He wanted to make an
impression and he did. It was my first time and I saw him in Louisville every 10 months for the next 20 years. He changed to other ways to get our attention, but Quality Sound was important to his very
unique 3 Hour shows. He switched at some point to a “Family Show” when he was married to Jody
and he brought his baby son on stage. He only said Funk one time each show at the end when he did
You Never Even Called Me By My Name. Then he didn’t say it at all for a while.
He gave us Free tickets in 1984 when we couldn’t afford to go to the show but went to see his sound check in the middle of the day. He always did medleys of James Taylor , Bob Dylan Waylon, Willie,
and others I can’t think of right now. I wanted to hear the excellent non hit cuts from his many many great albums but it was rare to hear them at a show until the day his Father died. Turns out his Fathers
favorites were some of mine also. He played Louisville that night that his Father died . Younger fans
were yelling out, Sing Cheap Thrills and other “Bad Boy” songs. He scolded the hecklers and played
the songs that had Earnest feelings and intense meanings, the ones His Father Liked.
Warren Haynes was in the band for quit a few shows along with another Guitar shredder with
long black hair. Here’s what they did for 3 HOURS, EVERY SHOW. David would be upfront at the mike.
He would tell OBVIOUS LIES, BITCH about mistreatment, the SING a Beautiful Country Song.
Then He would back up and they would SHRED like crazy. They would repeat this pattern over and
over and over again FOR 3 HOURS. He WORE US OUT, every 10 months. That is Devotion!!
I always wondered Why he did what he did but I kept going back. Eventually things changed when
he started playing Coyotes Bar instead of Louisville Gardens.
Only David Knows Why he does what he does, and I admit some of the things he’s done seem
so self destructive. He does or Has Given It Hell and Given A Lot over the years. He’s just a
Crazy Daddy. There’s so much more to tell but it’s always a Trip to see , What will he do this time?
I’ll Tell You What He Will Do……..Whatever He Wants To Do. It’s a Sight to Behold …Not For The
Squeamish . Buy the old Albums. There’s a wealth of Great music on them that you won’t hear on
the live show. Only a few bad albums he ever made on Columbia. The ones with all cheatin songs.
Some of those even sound good musically.
I hope David Allan Coe heals his Mind and Soul. Check out Jesus Again David!
Nato
August 26, 2016 @ 8:42 pm
Holy shit I just discovered DAC for myself and I’m obsessed. His music is fucking amazing and I don’t even like country that much. I’ve never heard such a voice and his song writing is insane. His songs have been stuck on repeat in my head for days.
I think most of his stories and antics are a troll on superficial country fans honestly. His album covers look like he’s creating a character mocking the establishment. His first album he doesn’t reveal his face? Then he doesn’t like people giving him shit for his appearance so he lays it on thicker – all why being way better than most of them from what I can tell.
camusmuse
September 8, 2016 @ 5:50 pm
A three year old article that is timeless and makes perfect sense to me. And obviously it sparks plenty of controversy. As did DAC. I have to admit I was a DAC jukebox hero(Never Called Me, etc). But as I sit here listening to his “older” stuff…I do begin to see the canon of his work. But dammit, I hear this and all I can think of is Townes Van Zandt(my favorite songwriter). DAC is branded an “Outlaw”, and maybe this has already been explained in previous posts, I only made it about half way down before I felt the need to say something. I dont know if DAC was trying to be part of that “Outlaw” Country, or if he was at times making fun of it….who knows what was/is really going on in is mind. Regardless, one has to keep in mind there is the person DAC, the performer DAC, the “legend” DAC…all of which can and probably are completely different. Its the same for any “artist” in the public eye, their words, can be twisted by the media, misunderstood by society, or any other myriad of disconnections of what the “true meaning” is…and even then…the best songs have no true meaning….they have universal meaning that can allow an individual decide for themselves how they relate to that particular song, or action. It is all about interpretation. Sure many people can have the same or at least similar interpretations…but that doesnt mean they are correct. But at that point the interpretation takes on a “life” of its own. Add another group with a different interpretation…and then you have your controversy. Now this is just a small faction of “entertainment”, because that is what the end product is supposed to be, right? Or as a Boogie Down Production album…”Edutainment”. Everything is subjective…EVERYTHING. What one takes away from a song is their own individual experience…what it took to get that song sung….well that’s what makes the song “meaningful”…yes I see contradiction. But a songwriter/performer has to have their own experiences good/bad/ugly to make such songs that connect to people.
nathan
December 1, 2016 @ 4:04 pm
David Allen Coe is a Legend and if you wrote this article your a moron and a bitch . Calling Coe a Racist is farfetched and stupid.
Trigger
December 1, 2016 @ 4:09 pm
*Allan.
If you wrote this comment and think all I did was call David Allan Coe a racist, then you didn’t read it right.
Woogeroo
February 1, 2017 @ 5:43 am
Excellent points Trigger… as my Grandma said : you have to take each person as they come to you.
I caught Coe once back in the mid to late 1990s at a local honky tonk… and for some reason he didn’t have a drummer… maybe he fired him right before… and the show was sometimes good and other times a sloppy out of time mess. It was interesting to say the least.
He has written some damn good songs and done some good versions of songs others have written… he is worthy of a listen, for his music.
Jean
February 16, 2017 @ 11:35 pm
Hey Trigger,
DAC is performing close to me next Saturday. Would you recommend going to see him?
Trigger
February 17, 2017 @ 2:09 am
You’re not going to get a great show, but it’s David Allan Coe. He’s a living legend so he’s worth seeing if you’ve never seen him before, if just for the experience.
Joe Dan Hartley
February 18, 2017 @ 9:09 am
DAC, lose the silly wig and get your old lady off the stage,please.
Tom taluto
May 27, 2017 @ 7:12 pm
Thanks for garth brookes keeping country music alive
Lazydawg
June 15, 2017 @ 10:34 am
I’ve read most of the comments here and it seems that few if any, have commented on his live performances during his prime in the 70s and early 80s. I saw him probably 6-10 times during that period. I never saw a bad show. Some were better than others, but he never put on a show like some have described here, from his later years. In fact I would place one show as the all time best club performance I’ve ever seen. The friend that I was with and I were actually recounting that show recently at a memorial pig picking for one of our friends. When you get in your 50-60s you younger folks will find yourself in similar situations more often than you like, but the memories are what you will treasure. Anyway, it was sometime between 1978-1980 and Keith and I, both big DAC fans left home and headed east in search of a place called, “The Redneck Saloon” somewhere near Griften, NC. We drove 50 or more miles before getting into the general area and then wandered around the back roads of Eastern North Carolina lost as hell. Then it suddenly appeared, a neon oasis in the darkness. There were at least 100 Harley’s parked in the front and we knew no one there. We got in and it was packed but we found a table that was only half occupied. They were fine with us sitting there and it later turned out that they were DAC’s mom and step-father. At least that is how I remember it. DAC’s wives were selling the records and t-shirts in the back. The beer was flowing like spring water and the crowd was pumped up. A friend, Bill Lyerly opened the show. He had recently left, Super Grit Cowboy Band and was striking out on his own with a tight band that he still fronts today. They were exceptionally good and DAC’s steel player sat in with them. BLB set the mood and Coe’s band soon followed. Coe came out after a few songs and he and the band played their asses off. The crowd was in a frenzy for the entire show. He came out for several encores and it was just an unbelievable experience. By the time we staggered outside and started the long drive home we were exhausted.
So whatever his faults, however he disappoints or falls short in recent years you should all know that DAC in his prime was not only a great songwriter but also one hell of a performer. Combine that with a long series of very good albums during that same period and rest assured that DAC leaves a great legacy and a ton of joyous memories for those of us that had the opportunity to see him.
Mark
November 26, 2017 @ 1:42 pm
I saw DAC in Winston Salem as a lead in to Willie Nelson in 1987…it was simply great. I lasted about 10 min with Willie’s boring sht and left….
OkieGirl74
December 4, 2017 @ 9:48 pm
Went and seen my first David Allan Coe show on Saturday for nostalgic purposes. He sang the whole time. Was everything in tune? Not really. Oh well, it was still a decent show. I was just elated to watch him do his thing at his age. I mean come on, he’s 78 years old for crying out loud.
Trigger was absolutely correct when stating, “You’re not going to get a great show, but it’s David Allan Coe. He’s a living legend so he’s worth seeing if you’ve never seen him before, if just for the experience.”
JerryBronsen
June 6, 2018 @ 10:42 am
I cant believe there is so much conversation about Coe on here with that know it all Bill Fiddler commenting.
JJ
January 23, 2019 @ 7:48 pm
I toured with Pantera and became friends with them back in the day. We opened maybe 100 shows for them. I still remember us being in Vegas (I think) and Dime comes up to me and a few others all excited like a kid practically dragging DAC by his arm. We have no idea who this dude is, we think he’s either a drunk old fan or a homeless dude. He was shirtless and smelled like BO so bad it brought tears. Dime was like “THIS IS DAVID ALLAN COE”! I knew who he was but some of the other guys still didn’t. I said “Nice to meet you, Mr. Coe” and he said “ah fuck off” or something like that. We all had a laugh and Dime took off with him somewhere else. We heard they went off drinking and gambling somewhere all night.
I’ve since mellowed a bit and have rediscovered his music and some google searching lead me here, so I thought I’d share.
John from France
March 1, 2019 @ 10:13 am
JJ: what band you in? Only saw Pantera once… Never seen the great Allan Coe…
Ron Gidcumb
August 25, 2019 @ 1:26 pm
Saw him last night in Illinois. Musically speaking, it was what most are saying on here. Half ass attempts during a rambling medley. The band sucked and Coes timing was even worse. About 5 or 6 hundred people, but everyone had a blast. Including myself. I wasn’t disappointed because my expectations were low to begin with. Glad I can say I saw him, but once will certainly do.
Greg Thomas La-Liberte
September 14, 2019 @ 4:43 pm
Take the good with the bad. Musical genius; who self sabotaged most of his career. He paid for everything bad he has done. DAVID ALLAN COE *DAC). ! David Allan Coe is a product of abuse and neglect, a White trash pit-bull; that learned to survive in terrible places and horrible times. Anybody have a PDF of his books. ?
LG7
June 14, 2022 @ 2:33 am
Yeah, Come is a poser supreme, sorry to say. Never any bullshit? How long did it take him to figure out which way the wind was blowing and disavow his naughty-bad old “racist” material? Now he’s lauded by hipster f-ggts for supposedly laughing up his sleeve at the dumb rednecks he was supposedly lampooning.
He wasn’t joking in those songs. My wife ran a bar where he played, before she and I met back in the 90s. His personality was exactly what you’d expect from listening to the “X-rated” album. And I don’t fault him for that. I fault him for being a flip-flopping, PC-faking, fan-bashing old con artist who has been turning in pathetic shows since at least the 90s, because what others have described here was precisely the way he played back then, according to my wife and all who witnessed his show: out of tune guitar, stupid demands, disrespectful attitude, rambling set, and nearly fell off his stool to boot.