Miranda Lambert’s Selfie-Gate Spurs an Important Discussion

It’s pretty telling of how busy of a news week it is in country music when you have a controversy involving Miranda Lambert that stimulates Whoopi Goldberg to walk off the set of The View in disgust, and it’s the second biggest story to report on. That’s the case for Miranda Lambert’s “Selfie-Gate” after she stopped down one of her Las Vegas residency shows mid-song (“Tin Man”) to chide some ladies in the front row for snapping photos as opposed to paying attention to her song.
Though much less of a controversy than Jason Aldean’s song/video “Try That in a Small Town,” the situation makes for an interesting discussion point surrounding concert etiquette. When I first saw the headlines of how Ran Ran had stopped down the show and some people had even left the show after the supposed disrespect she showed to the selfie takers, I was surprised when I saw the video itself and how comparatively respectful and humorously Miranda Lambert seemed to handle the situation.
It’s not like she threw a salad at them, or got punchy like she once did with that guy from Nickelback. Miranda Lambert is known for coping an attitude at times, and if you love her, you’ve got to love her for it. She’s Miranda Lambert. She lights stuff on fire, collects Airstream trailers, and saves puppies. But there was no attitude here, more just frustration.
Without question, it is the responsibility of every conscientious music fan to shut the hell up and pay attention whenever it comes to the intimate portions of a musical performance, if not the entire time. Otherwise, why are you there? If you want to chit chat or surf Tik-Tok, save it for some other time. As for snapping photos or selfies during a show, the rules are slightly more nebulous, and that is why this situation has become such a deeper discussion point across this cultural zeitgeist well beyond country music.
For certain, those who watch concerts through their phone screens, or that are constantly holding up their phones over their heads and obstructing the view for those behind them are doing their fellow concert goers and themselves a disservice. Be more in the moment, not in your device.
Some think phones shouldn’t have a place at concerts at all, and certain comedians and even a few musicians insist on phones being placed in bags before entry. Perhaps one of the reasons Whoopi Goldberg is sensitive to the matter is from her years as a stand-up comedian. But rounding up phones can create logistical and safety concerns, and it just feels excessive.
We’ve lost a lot through the proliferation of smartphones and social media, including our attention spans. It’s difficult to impossible for a lot of people to make it through a concert without fidgeting with their phones. But one of the beautiful things and unquestionable benefits of this technology is our ability to chronicle important moments in our lives and share them with our friends, family, and the rest of the world. This is all the selfie takers were trying to do. They just did it during a more intimate song, which was the wrong time.
It also happens to be that the sharing of concert experiences via smartphones and social media is super important when it comes to spreading the word and supporting music artists not supported by the industry, mainstream culture, and traditional media.
How many bands or artists have you heard about because a friend posted about them on social media, including from a concert? How many times have we heard stories about a video or snippet on Tik-Tok, Twitter, or Instagram starting someone’s musical career, or sending a song viral? This is how Zach Bryan got started. This is how the Flatland Cavalry song “A Life Where We Work Out” with Kaitlin Butts became their biggest hit.
While the Miranda Lambert selfie situation was gripping the world, I was attending the Under The Big Sky Festival in Montana, taking photos and sometimes short video snippets of the performers to then share them on Instagram and help boost their signal, especially the up and comers who receive attention when they’re featured right beside the big headliners. This is an easy way to expose someone’s music to a bigger audience without asking people to read through lengthy album reviews or other dense media coverage.
There is no more powerful promotion for artists and music than word of mouth, which these days travels through photos and video content that people share on social media. Granted, by the time you’re playing Las Vegas residencies like Miranda Lambert, you may not need that word of mouth. Or maybe you do.
But regardless of the relative popularity of the performer, good fans know when it’s best to try and capture moments, and when it’s best to put the phone down and live within them. The Miranda Lambert selfie moment straddled that line, and wherever you fall of the spectrum of being more cautious or more liberal when it comes to capturing experiences is probably how you ultimately feel about it.
What I feel very strongly about is that allowing concert goers to share moments in real time is an extremely valued currency when it comes to supporting independent musicians, because I’ve seen it in action on countless occasions.
It’s more of a feel of when to whip the phone out and when to put it away than it is a set of hard rules, and every concert setting and artist is a little bit different. In a listening room, it may not be appropriate to take out the phone at all. At a rowdy stadium show with bowl seating where you’re not disrupting the people behind you, snap away. Some artists encourage fans to take out their phones at certain moments in a show. Others would rather not see a smartphone at all.
In the Miranda Lambert selfie situation, both parties were kind of right and kind of wrong. It’s good because it’s stimulated some great discussion on the matter. As technology continues to impinge on our lives as well as enhance it, hopefully we all continue to work to strike the right balance of chronicling moments for social media and living in the moments we most cherish, facilitated by the beautiful gift of music and our favorite performers.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:15 am
I definitely think Miranda could have handled it better- but at the same time, it wasn’t just two people with a camera flipped to take a photo of their faces while they were enjoying the show… it was a group of women taking the time to stand up, put their backs to the performer, spread out, and pose. I think it made Miranda bad to react the way she did, but if I was at a show and saw people posing during a performance like that, I might cringe a little… or a lot.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:18 am
If you look at the actual photo taken, I think it makes more sense why she decided to stop down the show. There is now doubt the group of women were being interruptive, and during a more intimate song. Wait until she’s singing “Little Red Wagon” or something to pull that move.
July 21, 2023 @ 9:57 am
Well these country music ‘scandals’ seem great for your web traffic. Did that Aldean article get more comments than any other in the site history?
July 21, 2023 @ 9:59 am
I thought I was posting that to your comment below about being asked to write about this story and not being all that excited about it.
July 21, 2023 @ 10:42 am
Comments don’t always denote traffic, especially when many of the comments are from the same people. The Jason Aldean story did receive elevated traffic, but that is not why I wrote about it. I wrote about it because it’s important. It also didn’t receive nearly as much traffic as other stories.
July 21, 2023 @ 10:50 am
I wasn’t trying to imply the motive of that article was to drive traffic. But interesting to hear it’s not one of the highest viewed articles with close to 500 comments at this time.
July 21, 2023 @ 4:15 pm
Those ladies waited until the end of the show to take that picture. There was 4 songs.They got on the radio station I listen too and talked about how she treated them like children. I think it’s awful to treat your fans like that when they are the reason you are rich. They were not the only ones taking pictures. I will not buy anything involving her. She needs to worry more about getting some of that fat off of her where she eats and drinks good with her kept husband from the money of her fans. Really who gives a shit what Whoopi thinks. She should walk off the stage and never come back. Boycott Miranda. She thinks she is so much better than others. Blake was smart getting rid of her.
July 21, 2023 @ 5:29 pm
Is it because they were the ones in front of the stage using FLASH and a RING FLASH at that? You know the flash that you are NOT allowed to use. (Says so on that free gifted tickets they had) Just maybe if they had been following the rules, they would not have been treated like school children breaking rules and disturbing others that had to buy their tickets. PS. Shame on you for trying to bully someone about their weight and because they can eat well. Also, Blake did her a huge,huge favor. I wonder if she should have sent Gwen a sympathy card.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:46 pm
I felt the same as you, then I saw the video. They were distracting. The lights were dim, they interrupted another concert goer not with their party to ask them to take the pictures, with the flash on, all got up and posed. It wasn’t a quick, sneak a pic because the show is almost over.
July 22, 2023 @ 6:18 pm
Wow! You really hate her, don’t you?
July 23, 2023 @ 2:26 pm
Lol @ you trying to take moral high ground on the situation while then making disgustingly rude and unnecessary comments about MirLam’s weight. Talking about treating adults like children when you’re acting like a schoolyard bully. Grow up.
July 22, 2023 @ 6:25 am
I don’t know what really happened here other than what folks are saying. I don’t understand Miranda’s being so upset. Most concerts I have been to are all pretty rowdy and disrupted people in the crowd. Wasn’t Miranda stopping the song just as or more disrupting? I assume Miranda was on a stage , elevated a little above the crowd. So what was done that was so disrupting? Taking pictures or video? I thought now a days that kind of thing was the norm. And what difference does it make which song she was singing? If there was no prohibiting of taking pictures and video posted or announced before hand then these people had no reason to think what they were doing was wrong. I would think that pictures and video were being taking before this song but it became disruptive during this song?. Today if one is not distinct in what is allowed and what is not allowed , you will get people doing things that you might think is wrong. If people were not told that this action would be wrong, then Miranda was wrong for stopping the song and scolding them for doing something they thought was OK.
July 21, 2023 @ 10:58 am
I personally will never pay to see her in concert again!
Who does she think she is?!?! Apparently someone other than I and many others thought. Maybe it was her time of the month but who knows!! I do love a lot of her songs and Tin Man is one of my favs. I think she could have handled it a lot better than she did. I would have walked out as well but not before I said something back to her. Shame on you, Miranda!
July 21, 2023 @ 12:45 pm
Her “time of the month” wow….you sound like so much fun at parties. The problem is not the taking selfies it is the fact that they chose to stand up and do this during an extremely quiet and emotional part of the show. Her reaction was perfectly fine. She won’t miss you at her future shows. Bye patty.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:54 pm
Bye ????????????????
July 21, 2023 @ 4:46 pm
always fascinating when another woman throws out the period comment. patty, you may be an irrational piece of work during your visitor, but many women actually can. or maybe you use it as an excuse?
July 22, 2023 @ 3:31 am
Please refrain from using gendered language as it offensive to cismen that menstruate.
July 22, 2023 @ 8:09 am
We’re not having these kinds of politically divisive discussions on this particular article. Please keep it on topic. Thanks!
July 22, 2023 @ 7:54 pm
Unfortunately, I agree with Lambert on this one (and that woman generally makes my skin crawl with her creepy man-hating vibes). Concert goers have become so rude and loud in public it makes me want to retreat to a public library so I can hear myself think again. Nobody pays good money to see a musician so they can watch some jerks make jackasses of themselves instead.
If you’re there for the music, BE THERE FOR THE MUSIC.
Wait until after the concert for the selfies and other narcissistic millennial twaddle (btw: I’m a millennial, too, so generational voodoo is not a valid excuse for treating public spaces like they’re your home).
July 21, 2023 @ 7:14 pm
Miranda is known for being terrible to people that she views as “beneath her” such as waiters at restaurants. It’s not going to garner sympathy from anyone who knows this.
July 22, 2023 @ 12:44 pm
Leave Miranda alone. She has every right. This is her show. And it’s rude. That’s something people don’t talk about anymore. People are rude. The fact that Miranda was even put into a position to have to stop it is a shame on those girls.
July 22, 2023 @ 12:52 pm
CMT pulls a Jason Andean song on issues all over the U.S. and on target for the way any true American feels, but yet this blond chick can sign drunk, act like a fool to hard working Americans that paid to get into a concert, and yet it’s another story of “She’s a GOOT girl”! She is mean, nasty and has an attitude against everything country music stands for, our country and the fans of a country music artist! If they paid me a year of her wages, I wouldn’t waste my time! The last concert I was at was Garth Brooks in St.Pete times forum! She could use something or two from Garth, Trisha, Reba, Charley Pride, and a few more that we have lost, and the icons still carrying the torch! I will never watch anything to deal with CMT again, and maybe a little more AGT! Jason Andean, I live in a small town just outside of Montgomery Alabama! Brother you can put a billboard on my property and a flagpole so high it needs a flashing light to warn aircraft. It’s a true blue statement coming from a cop injured in the line of duty and discarded! Your song screams we need a positive change to bring us all back together as a country! We are all red white and blue brothers and sisters. Your song begs us all to drop the shenanigan’s, stay away from the rabbit holes and know one thing, don’t mistake our kindness for weakness! You won’t like the outcome.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:16 am
Phones don’t bother me so much. But people, STFU when the artist is playing. Want to have a conversation at screaming volume? Go out into the lobby. Or outside. It is so bad I almost feel like not going to shows anymore. So disrespectful to the band and the fans who actually went to the show to hear music. Jesus. Shut. Up.
July 21, 2023 @ 1:23 pm
Singing along at full volume kills me. There’s a video of Chris Robinson (Black Crowes fame) doing a solo acoustic show in SF and some guy in the crowd apparently is auditioning for backup work. The difference is people paid to hear CR’s voice which is great and not the cat in the crowd who is, to put it generously” a little off pitch.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:18 am
It’s just wild that it became this big of a story. It was Miranda getting frustrated and taking 30 seconds out of her show to voice that. She’s not an angel. She’s not a devil. Just a woman (who typically gets more of a media focus) that didn’t appreciate a distraction during her most intimate song. She’s not taking some massive stand saying “Never take a photo or video at my show ever” either. People are making her out to be this savior of true country music or the devil that hates her fans when it was just a human frustration that became part of a news cycle. Imo, it’s a “story” that should have been an overnight thing. Just as big as a WhiskeyRiff article talking about Meg Maroney singing Revival with Zach Bryan at a show recently.
It’s an interesting perspective on what makes news cycles work. Especially in the social media age where everybody has an opinion and usually it is focused more on the negative than the positive (like promoting new and upcoming artists like you mentioned).
July 21, 2023 @ 8:21 am
I think it’s because this incident truly straddles the line between when it’s appropriate to snap a photo or take a video, and when it’s not, so people fall on one side or the other, and it spurs engagement. I frankly am surprised it made such a stink too, but I have received more requests to write about this than any other topic in 2023. I found it difficult to get lathered up about it one way or the other.
July 21, 2023 @ 11:40 am
They were very disruptive. Not a thought to other fans. Miranda does a great show an puts a lot of energy in it. Give the divas their money back. They got their 5 minutes of fame. Sl let it go. Just like Jason he’s not my favorite but I love his song. Now that’s newsworthy!!
July 21, 2023 @ 3:03 pm
One of the six women (in their 40’s so not kids) has been giving interviews to Vegas media. She and others in her group are well known influencers there and were gifted tickets. Their photos were not just taken with smartphones. They did a full-on photo shoot with a ring flash. Probably why the audience cheered after ML called them out.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:20 am
Appreciate the nuance you brought to this article. I agree strongly with the last point that the venue matters. Also an amazing point many (purposefully) omit: why are you there if you’re not gonna listen to an important song in her set. I am not one to say “just let people enjoy things” in a blanket statement. There’s a reason you don’t put coke in a glass of whiskey from a $200 bottle or eat wagyu steak with ketchup. There’s a standard on how certain things should be done. Going to a show and being disrespectful during a powerful moment is not how you should behave.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:20 am
Seems trying to impart the old-fashioned refined qualities of respect and class is pretty much a wasted effort with many in the narcissistic Generation Z class or whatever they go by now. You just end up being attacked for it. But someone needs to keep the fight going.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:47 am
none of those people in the picture where gen z. lmao. some of them could even have been *gasp* boomers.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:20 am
Is she a fan on the selfie stick?
Imagine being in the pit & using it. B!tch might just go King Kong on my @$$
July 21, 2023 @ 11:03 am
Bad taste comment.
Trig if you could delete this and the othet comment about your festival.
I appologize. I was just messing around.
July 21, 2023 @ 11:27 am
It’s fine.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:23 am
This should become a meme:
“While the _______ situation was gripping the world, I was attending the Under The Big Sky Festival in Montana”
Trig has mentioned this before ???? Hard flex
July 21, 2023 @ 8:56 am
I make part of my living snapping photos of artists while they perform. That is why I see this as an important topic, and take it personally when artists or fans want to band all photo taking at concerts. That said, I am always super respectful of the artists, fans, and my fellow photographers. I’m going to another festival this weekend and will be taking photos. I think it’s important to share and capture these moments. But you also need to know when to put the camera down, and be in the moment and let your memory capture it as opposed to your camera or phone.
July 24, 2023 @ 5:03 am
Your photos are 100% of the reason I eventually attended Mile 0 Fest
July 21, 2023 @ 8:28 am
This is a very extreme example but King Crimson has an official picture time, generally before or after the encore, I think. That’s the only approved time to use a phone like that, and they have clear signs stating such, plus venue staff lightly enforced it.
Every recent concert I’ve seen of theirs was immeasurably improved by that.
Obviously King Crimson is basically insane and their audience is too, but getting closer to that experience would be much better. Though maybe impossible.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:48 am
king crimson and their fans are insane? based on?
July 21, 2023 @ 10:06 am
Based on Robert & Toyah’s Sunday lunch videos, haha (I actually enjoy those videos, but they can get a little odd).
July 21, 2023 @ 9:33 am
I think you wrote insane when you meant awesome. But anyway.
When I saw James McMurtry, the venue had a similar rule. Their rule was phone use during the first song only. So you get your pic, your video clip, your selfie or what have you when the “star” makes the entrance, then you watch the show after. Pretty good rule I thought.
July 21, 2023 @ 10:19 am
Yes, I’m a huge king crimson fan, as shown in my original comment.
The “insane” part was a jokey way to show that they can do things a lot of other bands probably can’t.
I like that McMurtry show rule as well. Even though that may be a venue rule, I imagine a McMurtry show is similarly special for his audience as a king crimson show. So those folks might be more willing to forget the phones…
July 21, 2023 @ 8:29 am
Trigger I am begging you. Don’t start writing a retrospective of all of the country greats who don’t write their own songs.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:31 am
Thanks for all the articles and introducing me to new music—I genuinely appreciate it. You’re a good writer and journalist Trigger.
But I’m done looking at this site. I know you need the clicks and controversy to keep it up, but this is silly tabloid-level gossip. Who cares what ‘The View’ thinks about anything?
The rest of you, y’all can have your culture war bullsh*t. I’m going to cut wood in my garage and stay off the Internet.
No, I won’t let the door hit my ass on the way out.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:51 am
Hey JM,
I appreciate the feedback, but I respectfully feel like you are way off with the assessment of this article.
First off, I don’t believe this is within the “culture war,” and I purposely addressed it in a manner to not be polarizing, but diffuse some of the polarization around this topic. I also waited until a week after it happened to address it on purpose.
I don’t think there is anything tabloid-like about this story. I specifically tied it into how we all support independent music by sharing our enthusiasm for our favorite bands and artists on social media. The only reason I even mentioned “The View” was because it was a good illustration of just how crazy big this story got this week … while I ignored it.
Also, as I said in a comment above, I got more requests to give my opinion on this story than any other in 2023, and perhaps in the last 2-3 years. I honestly don’t feel the same passion about this story as others do. But I was asked to comment on it, and I did. At this point, it’s old news. But I also do think it’s an important topic.
Thanks for reading.
July 21, 2023 @ 9:09 am
I don’t get comments like this.
Trigger is a music journalist. When news breaks and people are talking about something, it’s his JOB to cover it. I doubt Trigger likes writing about Jason Aldean or Jimmy Allen or even Morgan Whalen. But the news is the news. And as much as we all love the album reviews and the commentaries on new artists, it is THIS kind of article that draws clicks and comments. That’s on us a readers, not on Trigger as a journalist.
There was nothing tabloid about this article. And it’s an important topic facing all musicians right now. How much phone distraction at live performances should be tolerated.
July 21, 2023 @ 10:15 am
Plus you can just move on and wait for his next review. No one’s making anyone participate in every comment section or forcing anyone to take part in the culture wars (even though I don’t see how that applies here). JM acknowledges he’s found great music here. Why would you stop visiting a site because you don’t like some of the articles/comments? That’s only going to contribute to the culture wars as people only consume media that they agree with 100% of the time. That’s how you get stuff like Fox having to pay over 3/4s of a billion dollars because they felt they had to lie to keep their audience happy. Same with left wing media, they just haven’t promoted lies to the extent of Fox that result in a lawsuit…yet.
July 21, 2023 @ 7:39 pm
That’s bullshit. The left wingers were sued by the Covington Maga kid. CNN and the Washington post paid him before it went to trial. Fox is over the top, but the rest are worse. The Trump dossier was garbage. Trumps a moron, but fairness should apply based on facts.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:32 am
What amuses me is all of the random people yelling “YOU LOST A FAN, APOLOGIZE”. No real Ran fan is bothered by this lol Miranda is feisty & outspoken, for better or worse. I completely understand her frustration. She made a mistake by using the word selfie because that’s what the news outlets ran with & it was a misrepresentation of what happened.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:35 am
My favorite is that many people online thought a woman that sings about soaking things in kerosene, shooting down her ex with gunpowder and lead, and is a crazy ex-girlfriend is somehow not going to speak her mind and be a bit messy. It’s why we love Miranda. She’s always had that bad girl persona, and I’m here for it!
Also flash photography, standing up in front of the show in a dark theater during intimate songs is self serving and disregards all others in the theater. Especially when on the tickets they send you in your email, it says no flash photography.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:37 am
Vehemently on Miranda’s side on this one. Public etiquette has worsened across the board since COVID, but it’s really impacted concerts and comedy shows in a negative way – and why you’re seeing more phone holds across the country.
I have damn near picked fights over
1. Idiots with phones/tablets who hold their devices up to record entire songs.
2. Talking through openers’ sets
We all paid for the bill of a performance. If you want to treat it like a night out at the bar that you paid a cover charge for, fine. But do that at the bar, in the back of the venue.
There’s nothing more infuriating than being distracted by some obnoxious asshole close to the stage turning around for a selfie with an artist in the middle of a song, and it happens way too much at small venues nowadays.
Seeing the picture that sparked the incident made me happy that she called them out on it, and I wish she was meaner.
You’re not the star of your own sitcom, and the thousands of other people watching the show don’t care about your Instagram. Behave like you paid admission to an artist’s performance, not the damn city zoo.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:37 am
You look at those pics.. they were literally just using Miranda as a prop for their goofy little girl’s night pics. If you could zoom out, you’d probably see camera, lighting, and makeup crews… It’s like they’re running a whole production in front of the stage. Had to be annoyingly distracting for anyone who actually went to see a show.
It took me a long time to tolerate phones at my shows – I could get pretty beligerent about it, even asking people to just get the fuck out… But there comes a time when you just need to know WHEN you are…I guess. I still don’t like it, but I’ve learned to completely ignore it.
In this situation, I probably would have jumped off the stage, grabbed a chair, and set up in front of them to watch their show – since they felt it was more important…
July 21, 2023 @ 8:47 am
Several years ago, the Mavericks had a cool & effective technique to squash the cell phone obsession during their show. A few songs in, Raul Malo would pull out his phone, and then spend a few minutes scrolling thru social media, looking at photos, taking selfies, laughing, and sharing stuff with band mates. After a while he would look up, and say “Oh! You don’t like that? Well neither do we!” Folks paid attention after that.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:53 am
Love Raul.
July 21, 2023 @ 10:30 am
I saw Jethro Tull do a similar thing around 2001 or so.
They were shredding a song in the second set, a phone starts ringing through the sound system, the band stops on a dime, lead man answers the cell phone, says “damnit, I’m busy playing a show,” then slams the phone and the band picks up exactly where they stopped, mid-shred.
Hilarious way to comment on phone use.
July 21, 2023 @ 8:52 am
“It’s more of a feel of when to whip the phone out and when to put it away”
These are the words right here that are the most important, the trouble is common sense seems to be an opinion. I like taking a pic or 2 and I usually tell anyone around me “I’m just taking a couple” that might take take 10 seconds or so. Then that’s it!! I’ve been going to shows a long time I like to think I’ve got pretty good judgement while an artist is on stage, big venue vs small intimate venue, crowd size, where I’m standing etc…..
The way Miranda handled it….. I get it and I see both sides. Maybe if she had to do it all again she’d refrain then again probably not. She ain’t no “shrinking violet”. Any press is good press right? Not always but in this case absolutely imo. Whitey and Myron Elkins are up the street tonight at The Brauerhouse no need to take pics unless something crazy ensues. Trig knows I like taking a pic at the merch table with those artist’s that come out to say hello after the show……..so be ready Myron……… really loving that album now!
July 21, 2023 @ 9:00 am
This is just my opinion, but it seems to me that the ubiquity of smartphones and picture-based social media has helped exacerbate a sort culture of inauthenticity. Experiences – like taking in live music – are for many people now as much or more about demonstrating the experience than having the experience. (To be clear, this situation was not created by smartphones – it’s as old as history, probably – it’s just made worse by the technology.)
It’s not a surprise that artists would react negatively when their intention is to provide an experience itself, rather than just a vehicle for attendees to show their capability to attend.
In other words, take all the selfies you want – I’m honestly not here to shit on anybody’s fun – but don’t get offended if other people don’t agree to be your photography props.
July 21, 2023 @ 9:01 am
I would rather hear your thoughts on the new Molly Tuttle album, instead of this People magazine drivel.
July 21, 2023 @ 9:46 am
This is a perfect example of what I tried to address in this article. I’m seeing Molly Tuttle in concert on Saturday at FairWell Fest in Oregon. I’ll be snapping photos of her and promoting her new album on social media and on the website. Then I will also post a review of her album later. This was the exact thing that I did for Colter Wall last week when he released an album. As I said in the article, you may love to read album reviews, and I appreciate everyone who does. But for some, that coverage is too dense for them. But someone may see me post about Molly on social media, and that may be what spurs them to check her out.
This is why I oppose the idea of excluding people from using their phones at shows entirely. It’s a really important linchpin for how we spread the word effectively about independent country music.
July 21, 2023 @ 10:10 am
Enjoy the show!
July 21, 2023 @ 9:07 am
My whole thing is this, Lambert IS “selfie, social media culture” to a T. She embodies it, exudes it and embraces it. So her stopping a show to try to put someone on front street about the same shit she does in her own life, in her own way is absolute hypocrisy and fake as hell.
It underscores the complete disconnect that has arisen in individual’s lives and the lives of people that the public at large show adulation too.
The excessive need for narcissistic individualism arises not only in the behavior of the fan taking selfies but also in the behavior of Lambert. This isn’t BJ Barham going off on someone for talking constantly thru a Band’s Set which he wouldn’t do himself. This is some chick who has a huge f’in ego trying to postulate on a cardboard soap box.
July 21, 2023 @ 3:25 pm
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a “selfie” Lambert has taken at a concert or show she’s attended? If so I missed it. I thought the discussion here was about taking photos and videos at concerts and shows, not silly photos of dogs and family members.
July 22, 2023 @ 7:43 am
You completely are missing the point I illuminated in my comment. it really has nothing to do with the selfie.
July 23, 2023 @ 11:10 am
I agree, the selfie is a symptom, not the cause.
Your post outlines the core issues very well.
July 21, 2023 @ 9:10 am
To more important news, Travis Tritt will be releasing a new gospel album. He has a great voice for singing hymns. Looking forward to it.
July 21, 2023 @ 9:29 am
In any context it’s one thing to pull out your phone, take a quick snap, and move on. It’s quite another to act as if what you are about do on your 6 year old phone will be considered for the cover of Vogue. In other words, just take the damned picture and move on. It’s not just the notion that if I don’t have a picture of it, it doesn’t exist, it’s also the idea that the entire world is supposed to stop for *ME*.
Also, why is every picture taken referred to as a “selfie.” If I take your picture how is that a “selfie?” 🙂
July 21, 2023 @ 9:31 am
In general, artists should make it clear ahead of time what their photo policy is, because different artists have very different opinions on phone use.
Some artists enthusiastically ask fans to hold up their phone lights and wave them in the air for a song. Others despise the idea of anyone taking a picture or looking at their phone at all.
At events like CMA Fest, fans are openly encouraged to “share on social media.” Hashtags are listed on signage.
Whatever the preference of the artist, they should make it clear ahead of time.
July 21, 2023 @ 9:39 am
Was at a Shane Smith and the Saints show recently and they asked folks to take out their phones and light up the crowd. Another artist asked everyone to take out their phones and text themselves the name of their new song to remind them to check it out. That’s why there’s not a “one size fits all” solution to this.
July 21, 2023 @ 10:00 am
I agree. Also, I need to see Shane Smith again sometime. I saw him a few years ago at KOKEFest and he’s very good.
July 21, 2023 @ 11:48 am
I think Miranda did nothing wrong . people today are so disrespectable. They carry on at concerts, so others can’t even enjoy the music. If you are so into yourself you have to take all these selfies, that is sad. Grow up! Miranda is one of the best female country artist out there. She is putting on a good show for all & you are being disrespectable and selfish to her and everyone else.
July 21, 2023 @ 9:45 am
How is this even a thing? It’s a storm in a glass of water. People need to learn to stop getting their panties in a bunch over trivial nosense.
July 21, 2023 @ 9:56 am
In the reporting of this incident, I’ve heard people saying the attendees paid a lot of money for their tickets and they should be able to do what they want during the concert. Agreed, unless doing what you want interferes with doing what I want. And what I want to do is watch and listen to the person/band perform. A group of people standing at the front of the stage snapping selfie photos is distracting to the performer and the audience. A little respect and some common courtesy shouldn’t be so hard to figure out.
July 21, 2023 @ 10:08 am
I saw a Whitehorse show in Montreal in 2019 and not one person held up a phone. The were actually experiencing the music. What a concept.
July 21, 2023 @ 10:11 am
I have an idea for people going to concerts. Enjoy the concert. Quit talking like you are in a bar. Quit holding your phone up the whole show so people behind you can see what they paid for. Want to take a picture do it quickly and get out of the way.
July 21, 2023 @ 10:24 am
She’s probably kept her mouth shut many times when a bunch of idiots did stupid shut while she performed. Her response was probably an over reaction to the kind of stupidity and ignorant thinking we see from the same woke idiots that think Jason Aldean’s a racist. We live in a world where there’s a relatively small but loud mouthed group of morons that shout down and try to cancel those of us that don’t want mentally ill dudes in dresses and make up going to the restroom with our daughters. We’re about fed up as you can see by the Bud Light, Target, and a shitty Aldean song becoming a number 1 hit. Aldean thanks all you morons for the extra few million you put in his pocket! Keep up your stupidity, keep it loud and ignorant; keep over playing your hand. Those of us that aren’t idiots and want our kids to grow up in a civilized society with some morality and reasonable expectations for behavior need the silent majority to stand up in greater numbers. Now get back at it and scream and yell some more and attack some more decent people. Call someone else a racist based on zero real evidence. Thank you in advance for helping the cause.
July 21, 2023 @ 10:36 am
What does this article about her have anything to do with any of the other bullshit you mention?
Hard to stay focused I know with all those other intrusive thoughts but give it a go. Try real hard.
July 21, 2023 @ 10:25 am
I recently saw comedian bill burr at the same outside amphitheater Lambert played.
Burr had those phone pouches. They prevent you from using your phone in the venue.
It wasn’t even bad logistically, even though the crowd was huge for comedy. The wait to get in and out didn’t seem bad at all, even though the pouches added another step.
If that can work at a massive comedy show, it can work at a similarly sized concert.
July 21, 2023 @ 10:30 am
About 10 years ago when my wife and I were first married we were at a Drive-By Truckers show at the 9:30 Club in D.C. We were toward the front and a group of young people had their backs to the stage, talking loudly about some nonsense. All of a sudden my wife turned and really cussed them out – I had never seen that side of her before. I had to move her across the room before she got me dragged into a fight…
July 21, 2023 @ 10:38 am
That douchebag Jack White does not allow photos to be taken at his shows, and the same people hating on Miranda would gladly comply with his rules.
July 21, 2023 @ 10:53 am
I wish an artist would do the same thing about people thinking it’s appropriate to attend a concert and sing every lyric at the top of their lungs. It’s insane that so many people do this nowadays.
July 21, 2023 @ 11:35 am
I guess the girls might have been embarrassed, but that video is way milder than I expected. It’s like when a comic makes a joke about someone in the front row.
July 21, 2023 @ 11:50 am
I have been fortune enough to go to more concerts than I can count. I get that those fans paid a lot of $ for those seats. I see it Miranda’s way, too. There has to be some etiquette by fans. I take pictures/videos. There is a time & place for doing so. It doesn’t take an Einstein to discern. I don’t generally act a fool bc I’m a music geek. I am fairly petite, so I am no stranger to your typical drunk, tall folks, slamming into to me & blocking my view with their phones. Miranda said what I have often thought.
July 21, 2023 @ 12:48 pm
If someone paid for tickets, then they have the right to enjoy the show how they pleased. Taking a quick selfie for 30 seconds doesn’t obstruct the concert/concertgoers in any serious way. She should have some humility, get off her high horse and be thankful that there are fans who care about her enough to want to take selfies at her concerts
July 21, 2023 @ 1:43 pm
I just hope the concert wasn’t at a courthouse!
July 21, 2023 @ 7:26 pm
Funny! She’s a damned racist. She owns a camper. Those camper folks are all racist rednecks.
July 23, 2023 @ 11:06 am
Take this down, Trig!
It’s another racist dog whistle by CK.
/S
July 21, 2023 @ 1:51 pm
This is an interesting topic. Being an older guy, I remember in the 70’s at concerts, you could usually take pictures (without using a flash). Then in the 80’s-90’s, cameras were frowned on. When cellphones arrived, it changed everything. Pretty soon it was ok to take pics and video, and sometimes artists encouraged folks to put them on social media.
I saw Don Henley in 2016 and they announced no pics or videos and the ushers ran around strictly enforcing it. Saw Christopher Cross last month and there was no announcement but when the show started, the ushers said it was ok for pics but not videos. Would be good to let people know ahead of time.
I think if the artist or venue has a policy, you announce it and enforce it. We go to Stone Mtn Arts Center in Brownfield, ME and they have a strict no pics/videos policy, for the benefit of both the artist and the patrons. I enjoy taking photos at shows, but I respect their rule. And It makes for a very relaxing show with no one running around taking pics. Then afterwards, if you have a chance to meet the artists, you can take pics.
July 21, 2023 @ 2:14 pm
For years, the Grand Ole Opry never said anything about fans taking Super 8 movies of the show. But, once video cameras got popular, they had to start making announcements to not film while a song was playing. Sound must have made the difference.
July 21, 2023 @ 2:26 pm
I saw this on the news yesterday. Throw fighters out but other than that… the people paid for a ticket. I don’t record to post on social media, talk, yell requests, etc., but none of that bothers me.
July 21, 2023 @ 3:06 pm
not knowing the THOTS in question, i assume they were using the background as a “memes” to shill their enema powder or laxative diet or whatever the influencers are pushing today
i can on one hand see the Lambert side. you see this shit day in and day out while you are singing. you want people to connect to your music. you want them to connect with you as a artist and this feels like they are checked out and not present
on the other they are promoting you in a way, and probably hashtagging they are at your concert and giving some publicity, and it isnt like they are punching people in the face. do you really have to get pissed off to this degree?
i do think there should be a conversation. you sit in the front row you are agreeing to enter a non binding verbal contract to focus on the show not your seilfies bullshit. unplug from the matrix for a few hours, pretend it’s 1993 and groove to the music.
July 21, 2023 @ 5:20 pm
Did I read the woman taking the selfie with her friends is a “Influencer?” I think we was using Miranda as click bait just to have something to put on social media. I am so tired of bad behavior at concerts. People stand up in front of you when no one else in the entire section is standing. Your choice is to stand too or stare at their ass the entire show. Talking loud and laughing to get people’s attention during a show is rude, end of story.
July 22, 2023 @ 1:13 am
I am with Miranda Lambert on this. Too often I have been to concerts and my view obstructed by someone or more than one holding up their phone obstructing my view and not paying attention to the artist they have paid a lot of money to see, Same with those constantly talking throughout the performance. It is disrespectful to the artist and fellow audience members. It is downright selfish. More artists should take the same stand as Miranda.
July 22, 2023 @ 5:18 am
I don’t blame her for doing what she did. Like some said, timing is what matters here. It’s also disruptive to other people attending the concert. From what has been described here, also seems to be more than a simple selfie. Miranda did the right thing.
July 22, 2023 @ 6:17 am
“What I feel very strongly about is that allowing concert goers to share moments in real time is an extremely valued currency when it comes to supporting independent musicians, because I’ve seen it in action on countless occasions.”
AMEN. I’ve never been disrupted or offended by someone taking pictures or video during a concert. There’s far worse concert goers can be doing … fighting, talking, throwing shit at the performer.
Where I think Miranda was wrong was putting “Tin Man” in her Vegas residency setlist. It’s Vegas! Bachelorette parties, graduation parties, signed the divorce papers parties… it’s a never ending party. And how many in the audience got their tickets from the casinos and hotels whom were at best casual Lambert fans? Melt their faces off for an hour and a half (it’s the rare time I’d encourage covers).
This doesn’t happen at a concert in Oklahoma City where the crowd is made up of 100% Lambert fans who know to pay attention after the first few notes of Tin Man. Some fan in Oklahoma City would be more inclined to throw a friendship bracelet hitting Lambert in the face and ending the show.
July 22, 2023 @ 7:23 am
…in my book, breathing is almost blasphemous during a “tin man” performance by ms. lambert.
July 22, 2023 @ 9:31 am
I have special talent for being next to the loudest person in the room captivating everyone with stories that I’m sure would be amazing if you could understand more than every other word. Even when I squeeze my way to the other side, you can still hear them above the music, squeaking away like a rusty ceiling fan.
Maybe we are in entitlement crisis. Everything is so expensive, shows, airlines, etc, people figure they paid all this money and it entitles them to do whatever they want including disrupting a performance to brag about it on Instagram.
A little respect goes a long way.
July 22, 2023 @ 10:25 am
Huh. Miranda getting pissy on stage. What a surprise. She has a long history of doing this. It was eye opening to see story and story from HER fans about this behavior. There was one where recently she targeted a group that had their backs to her. They were looking for their friend. Look if someone is being obnoxious or drunk and fighting she has every right to stop and address it. But this was just stupid. Especially when others in the audience were taking flash pics.Of course her die hard fans defend her but there were just as many there who said they didn’t even notice the group until she stopped and targeted them. She’s been in this business 20 years. She should know how to handle things better. It’s not badass. It’s just snotty. She embarrassed them. A handful of concert goers got up and walked out which was caught on tape. And she’s been performing there awhile. She can ask for a lock phone policy. Bruno Mars did. Garth has one in place this time for his shows. I saw a clip of Reba in a similar situation. Except the fan was yelling fora pic. Reba handled it with grace and humor. It’s Vegas. They were excited and had been trying to get a pic. They probably weren’t thinking and not everyone knows Tin Man is sacred. And it was a great pic and would have been great promo. Also so many artists in Vegas have no issues with fans doing this. Got to be upfront and say yay or nay to recording the performance.
July 22, 2023 @ 1:16 pm
I’m a part of the generation that started getting cell phones in their teen years. So before anybody calls me an “old guy” or whatever, I’ve had a phone since the day I got my first paycheck at 16. But I hate when people spend the whole concert either A) snapping selfies or B)recording every second with their phones over their head. You wanna snap a quick pic or two? Cool. Wanna get a verse/chorus of a song you love? Cool. But for the love of God, live for 3 hours not glued to your screen. No one cares that you’re at a concert who isn’t there themselves.
July 22, 2023 @ 5:04 pm
I grew up with the Beatles in a stadium or the Ed Sullivan Show and it was nothing but screams. Yeah yeah yeah yeah! 1960’s
And enjoyed their LOUD blasting Get Back & Don’t Let Me Down from the rooftops of Apple Studio. The star and fan connected and none of us are perfect. Patience is hard when you can’t see or hear your favorites. Music is a gift from the heart and soul from a performer.
Pictures with friends last and become treasured. Esp. when your old enough to remember Beatlemania. It was Ringo’s birthday!!! How many of you passed around the Peace and Love symbols this month. Let’s have more of that!
July 23, 2023 @ 7:02 am
Two copycat videos were posted over night on TikTok of “fans” (I question how many people are really fans attending Vegas residencies or just people who were comped tickets from casinos and hotels) videoing themselves during “Tin Man” instigating Miranda Lambert.
One was posted by Josh Silberman 17 hours ago. He’s front row (or walked up there) and Miranda knows what’s going on. How big is this venue – Planet Hollywood Las Vegas? It appears small.
July 23, 2023 @ 10:07 am
I stopped reading when the author twice said Lambert “stopped down” a show. I’m not sure where the author got their English/Journalism degree, but they need to get a refund of their tuition. Maybe hire an editor?
July 23, 2023 @ 10:45 am
???
Seems like the term “stopping down” is commonly used when a musical artists stops a performance.
Not sure it’s worth a $75,000 salary, benefits, matching FICA and Federal Withholding just to avoid arguments on semantics like this.
July 23, 2023 @ 11:11 am
I spent my whole life in different parts of the South (LA/MS/AL/FL/TX), and I’ve never heard that term. If a student of mine turned in a paper with phrase, they’d definitely get some points taken off. I’m just saying, if you’re going to be a writer, it helps to have a solid grasp of grammar.
July 23, 2023 @ 11:12 am
Trig, you really need to dumb down your diction better and not use metaphors and euphemisms.
Just one-syllable words.
July 23, 2023 @ 11:02 am
I went to a Brooks and Dunn concert a few years back and Ronnie Dunn told the funereal looking crowd that it was ok to get up and dance. Many did as he was encouraging the crowd to come alive. I’m sure this disturbed the enjoyment of the sit down and watch only portions of the crowd. My goodness, we go to concerts featuring world class singers with world class musical beats that make your body want to move. It’s such an unrealistic expectation to ask people to sit and watch the presenter as if it’s the State of the Union. The right moment for someone to take a picture, a selfie, get up and dance is different for every concert goer. I’m conscious enough and others around me at every concert I’ve been to not to be a nuisance. Do your thing without continuously obstructing others. But for a musician to stop there show every time they perceive someone isn’t doing what they think they should be doing when they think they should be doing it is just impractical.
July 23, 2023 @ 11:18 am
I love concerts as much as anyone else and get annoyed when someone wants to stand up for the whole show when everyone else is seated.
But I usually am very tolerant of other peoples’ behavior, including when they are acting like jerks.
It happened at a minor league baseball game I was at last night when some mother brought 4 children in the 4-5 year old age range and used the empty seats on our row as day care. I soldiered on and tried to enjoy the game, but the experience was quite annoying. The problem, of course, wasn’t the cute little children doing what kids to, it was the rude mother.
As an inveterate Deadhead, I’m used to problem crowds, but I try to just roll with it.
Just my 2 cents.
July 23, 2023 @ 11:29 am
Big Bad Whoopi Goldberg, was doing nothing more than her scripted outrage that her handlers told her to enact, before the taping of that episode.
“The View.”
Laughing …
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What i am sincerely worried about is how Sierra Ferrell seems to be falling into the trap of being spokesperson for the “Can we cancel him now?” intellectuals.
Have been rooting for Sierra for a long time.
Someone needs to let her know that being a pawn for the label who are paying her, is most definitely not a good move.
And, if her recent comments are not label influenced, then someone needs to grab her up by the a**, and say, “Sister, can I have a minute of your time?”
Still rooting for Sierra.
She is a great talent.
Would hate to see her flame out because of parroting destructive dialogue.
July 23, 2023 @ 11:32 am
Let’s please stay on topic here. There is enough contention with the Jason Aldean articles themselves. We don’t need it bleeding over here.
PS: Sierra Ferrell is in no way a “pawn” for Rounder Records, who I’m sure doesn’t give two shits about the Jason Aldean situation aside from gawking curiosity.
July 23, 2023 @ 12:52 pm
Just saw James McMurtryin in a small venue. Fool in the front row was filming with his phone over the front of the stage under his microphone at his feet.You could see James was annoyed. Others were too stupid to realize they had their flashes every time they videoed his performance.
People are idiots.
July 23, 2023 @ 12:54 pm
And if you haven’t checked out Betty Soo please do. She was great.
July 24, 2023 @ 5:09 am
Hm, the response seems to be “we need more rules, shaming, and coercion.” That doesn’t sound healthy.
If this kind of thing happens a lot, maybe performers need to rethink what a performance is, in this day and age. Find the win/wins. Innovate.
Lambert may be resentful because she’s stuck.
July 24, 2023 @ 3:31 pm
SHOOT TEQUILA NOT SELFIES
it is about respecting the artist, not having light on with phone interrupting others and the artist
July 24, 2023 @ 6:27 pm
All I can say is if the person paid for admission into an event they should be allowed to take as many selfies as they want. They can sit there and sleep if they want to cause they paid their money. I think Ms. Lambert should apologize. Cause what she did was just too much…..scolding her fans. Too strict. People want to go to concerts take pictures and have fun. Thumbs down on Miranda Lambert!!!!!!
July 24, 2023 @ 7:11 pm
What about the people in behind the row group of women standing and using flash photography. Didn’t they pay for their tickets. Buying a ticket to a show doesn’t mean you get to be an inconsiderate twat waffle.
July 25, 2023 @ 6:06 am
As a concert photographer I naturally am somewhat sympathetic to the notion of taking pictures; to me live music is one of the most challenging and fun subjects there is.
But when I’m doing it I have a duty to not get in the way of the show. That sometimes leads to me laying on very dirty floors to get shots so that I’m not blocking anyone’s view. I keep a 70-200mm f2.8 lens that cost a shit ton of money in my kit so that I can shoot from the back if need be.
I sometimes feel like the cellphone camera is one of the worst technologies in existence simply because everybody has one, and there’s always that percentage of people who can’t exercise common sense or courtesy when they use them. I’m also a wildlife photographer and I can’t repress a smile when a buffalo or a moose smacks the shit out of some idiot who tries to take a selfie with them because they think they’re in a petting zoo.
And taking pictures of the food you’re eating? Just weird. Yes, I am a curmudgeon.
August 4, 2023 @ 6:55 am
I’m one of the people that requested you write about this, so thanks. I think one of the core main problems with taking pictures is it is really a turn off for some of us fans, and we have stopped going to concerts as much. So not as much paid revenue for the artists. So for those commentators saying this doesn’t matter, OH YES it does matter. Honestly if Miranda started having people put phones in pouches, I would be way more inclined to pay to see her live. I don’t want to see concerts with narcissistic social media influencers who are only using the artist to get more clicks for themselves. Terrible vibes. It absolutely ruins the community experience of enjoying the music. Do I give a sh*t if I’m at a Luke Bryan concert and people are taking drunken selfies during “Country girl shake it for me?” Not really. The problem is this terrible disrespectful rude behavior that trickles into listening rooms and other quiet venues/spaces/performances. Us fans who get distracted by all the selfish photo shoots pay for tickets too. Honestly, I’m way less excited about going to see live music then I used to be and have been cutting down, sadly. The artists that put their feet down and start taking a stand for their true fans (like Miranda) will be the ones in the future who get my $. Otherwise honestly it isn’t worth it. Sometimes it’s not even worth it at a free music festival, the vibe of endless selfies being so distracting, self centered and shitty. Just my 2cts.
August 12, 2023 @ 8:01 am
One of my best memories was in Colorado at the Mishawaka Amphitheatre for a Jerry Jeff Walker event in the 90s.
Standing in the front row with my buddies, we were talking to someone and JJW leans down mid-song and says….If you want to shoot the shit, go to the bar!
We were wrong, he was right and I love that he scolded our dumbasses for that. We deserved it!