On Oliver Anthony & His Viral “Rich Men North of Richmond”
In the independent country music world, we’re living in an era when the dog has caught the proverbial car, and the next question is, “What do we do next?” Only a few short years ago, there were just a few top spots for independent artists to squeeze out success in between the margins of the mainstream, and most independent artists were resigned to waiting tables and taking out bids on construction contracts between tours.
Now thanks to the massive commercial success of guys like Zach Bryan and Tyler Childers, earnest songwriters with raspy voices are getting signed to major label deals through their own subsidiary publishing companies so they retain creative control, and are receiving six and sometimes even seven figure signing bonuses on spec. It’s insane.
We’re already a few years past the point where plucking a Virginia or Kentucky native out of the holler, propping them up in front of a microphone in the patch of woods behind the Piggly-Wiggly, and having them bray about coal, cocaine, and how there’s coal in their cocaine started to feel a bit overdone. Tyler Childers was a transformational artist, but the dopplegangers are coming out of the woodwork, and at some point it begins to become to domain of parody.
What’s happening right now is like what happened in Haight-Ashbury and Laurel Canyon in the ’60s with psychedelic music, or Seattle in the ’90s with grunge. It’s a feeding frenzy. And though it’s an amazing time in country music amid this resurgence of authenticity, it comes with serious risks of oversaturation, and perhaps, unsustainability.
Just this week I was speaking to a prominent record label chief who said they’re pretty much done with this segment of authentic Appalachian music and unpolished singer/songwriters. The sweepstakes to land the next Zach Bryan has gotten so rich and ridiculous, the price of poker has basically priced them out. There are still some winners out there to be signed. But if it this stuff gets too sensational, everyone could end up losing if it becomes a craze and a crash, like the Mumford & Sons era.
Enter Oliver Anthony, and the super-viral recording of his song “Rich Men North of Richmond.” Undoubtedly, it is quite a remarkable song and performance. He’s a songwriter from the Piedmont town of Farmville, Virginia who lives with his 3 dogs on a plot of land that he’s planning to raise livestock on. Oliver Anthony channels all the rage of the American working man and articulates it excellently into a song that’s resonating palpably with people for very real reasons.
This isn’t the first song and video from Oliver Anthony either. Searching through YouTube, there are a host of similar performances, and each one showcases sincere sentiments, honest emotion, while displaying gifted songwriting chops backed by a strong voice that deserves to be taken seriously. Whatever hype happens to be behind this particular viral moment involving “Rich Men North of Richmond,” there is substance and body behind what Oliver Anthony is doing.
But it is also fair to point out that a significant portion of the virility of this song is due to it getting pushed very specifically through political channels. This truth isn’t pointed out necessarily to say it’s problematic. It’s just a large part of why this song and this artist is going so crazy at this moment in time while others are going ignored.
As great as Oliver Anthony and “Rich Men North of Richmond” is, it’s a fair question to ask if it’s significantly different or better than certain viral videos from Logan Halstead, Cole Chaney, Drayton Farley, or the dozen other earnest Appalachia-esque songwriters that have emerged in the Tyler Childers era.
Some will say “Rich Men North of Richmond” is sort of a thinking man’s version, or an authentic Appalachian version of Jason Aldean’s “Try That In A Small Town.” Though the working man sentiments in the song will be well-received more universally, it’s lines criticizing the government like … “they want to know what you think, want to know what you do, and they don’t think you know, but I know that you do. And your dollar ain’t shit, and it’s taxed to no end…”
…and “…the obese milking welfare. If you’re 5’3”, and 300 lbs. taxes ought not pay for your bags of fudge rounds. They’re putting themselves six feet in the ground, ’cause all this damn country does is keep on kicking them down” that are finding favor with a specific online demographic.
If Jason Aldean’s “Try That In A Small Town” is any indication, it will take about two months for the mainstream media to catch up to “Rich Men North of Richmond,” and claim it’s full of dog whistles. Oliver Anthony can only hope. Because if you think this song’s going viral now, wait until the press declares it verboten. Then it will really be sent into the stratosphere as the press continues to grossly misunderstand the power dynamics of the zeitgeist.
Will Oliver Anthony become the next Tyler Childers or Zach Bryan? Only time will tell. But it’s also worth distinguishing the difference between Tyler Childers’ ascent and Zach Bryan’s, despite Barstool Sports claiming, “Oliver Anthony Is An Appalachian Country Artist In The Same Vein As Tyler Childers and Zach Bryan.”
Last time I checked Zach Bryan was from Oklahoma. But this is what you get from these viral moments: all kinds of uninformed media jumping into the feeding frenzy for clicks. People also wondered after the Jason Aldean controversy if it would lead to either similar copycat songs, or an increased appetite for leaning to the right. Again, comparing the two songs is probably not fair, but they do overlap in some respects.
Despite this moment of roots resurgence in country music being so incredibly rewarding in so many ways—and so many of the hopes that a website like Saving Country Music had when it was launched in 2008 are being realized—it’s bittersweet as well. There are many artists that deserve the attention Oliver Anthony is receiving now that won’t receive 10% of it, or even 1% of it since their careers were established before this current Appalachian and singer/songwriter craze, and because they’re not bearded dues from Appalachia.
You think about a songwriter like Leroy Virgil of Hellbound Glory, who in his prime and perhaps still today could write circles around the current crop of performers. You think of Joseph Huber and his original band the .357 String Band that never got the due they deserved, and were forced to disband. These were generational talents who got summarily overlooked because they came up at a time when there was no support for this kind of music. Now, a viral video will get managers, label heads, and booking agents slipping into an artist’s DMs, and promising them the world.
You think of Appalachia women like Angela Autumn who in some respects reminds you of Sierra Ferrell, and has every bit of the talent of Oliver Anthony and others. What the YouTube algorithm latches onto and the general public gets behind sometimes feels so capricious and mercurial, and it’s not always talent that determines who and what is graced with attention. It’s often just timing. Timing and the political quotient is definitely at work behind Oliver Anthony’s moment. Perhaps the difference though is talent is too.
None of this is Oliver Anthony’s fault. He wrote a song that is resonating with people, and has perhaps a whole album of them ready to be recorded. That will be the next step as he takes this viral moment and attempts to monetize it and turn it into substantive returns.
But it also feels like this moment deserves a clear-eyed assessment from everyone involved: fans, artists, and industry. This week started here at Saving Country Music with serious thoughts and conversations about the sustainability of this whole movement and the concern of it overheating. Then here comes Oliver Anthony with a viral moment to underscore this concern.
It feels like we’re just a “Wagon Wheel” or “Achy Breaky Heart” moment away from Appalachian songwriters going from the coolest thing in country music to being cool to hate on because of the popularity and omnipresence of these dudes.
Appalachia songwriters singing about the struggles of themselves and their neighbors is the very bedrock of country music and will always be relevant to some portion of the country audience. But if originality, innovation, and authentic talent is not part of the quotient, it could cause this current moment to flame out quickly, with this music cascading back to obscurity. This would probably be welcomed by some fans. But it would also put the support for these artists on a perilous footing.
These were my thoughts when listening and looking into Oliver Anthony and “Rich Men North of Richmond.” And now, for the love of all things holy, please God, stop emailing me en masse about it.
Joshua Reid
August 11, 2023 @ 9:10 am
One thing is certain, you’re the best writer country music has, has had for some time and hopefully for a long time coming.
ShadeGrown
August 11, 2023 @ 9:34 am
Certainly there was some great music that got overlooked in the past 15-20 years or so, and there could be a bit of oversaturation of the Childers’ style vocal approach, but there are worse trends that I can think of.
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 10:02 am
Definitely.
archenklos
August 11, 2023 @ 9:39 am
I’m not trying to be cool, but I was worn out on this type of thing a couple years ago already. This song seems fine and fairly well written, but it isn’t something I’d want to hear more than a couple times.
hoptowntiger
August 11, 2023 @ 9:40 am
And I’m here to eat it up.
There’s something rewarding about fans actually participating in an artist going viral, than being forced fed music by “record label chiefs.”
There is a ton of variety within the Appalachia craze (not just bearded men, which I thought was more a red dirt scene sterotype). Sierra Ferrell is putting here gypsy/ jazz spin on her Appalachian music. 49 Winchester is putting their own southern rock/ blues spin on their Appalachian music. Charles Wesley Godwin is putting his folky/ Gordon Lightfoot spin on his Appalachian music.
When these guys are just getting discovered with just a guitar or banjo and raw talent, they all sound the same in their infancy until they evolve and find the voice. We are just hearing the demo tapes that used to be reserved for “record label chiefs.” In a way, they cutting out the middle man.
There’s a ton of red dirt guys breaking right now like Sam Barber, Colton Jesse, and Landon Smith that sound exactly like Zach Brayan and early Parker McCollum. I believe the red dirt scene is more endanger of bursting due to the lack of variety in its sound.
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 10:13 am
The reason I told the anecdote about the “record label chief” was to underscore how the industry is interfacing with this phenomenon. It’s not that they think they’re picking the winners and losers, it’s that a lot of money is being spent in this direction, and when you give a hillbilly a million dollars, things happen, and they’re not always good. I think it’s really important as a community that we’re clear eyed about how all of this is affecting the music we love.
The acoustic/video element of how this music is discovered is an important one, but I think navigating how to take these guys into the studio and be successful is something we also need to talk about. Drayton Farley blew up behind a completely acoustic album. Then he went into the studio with Sadler Vaden and the new album is doing fine, but is not exploding like the acoustic album/videos did. Logan Halstead had his own viral acoustic moment like Oliver Anthony is having now, and went into the studio and kept it stripped down, but that album has struggled compared to how well his videos did.
How to translate this from viral videos to sustainable careers is something we need to think about and discuss.
hoptowntiger
August 11, 2023 @ 10:27 am
Very true on all accounts. Even giving a hillbilly that kind of money.
brz
August 11, 2023 @ 7:36 pm
Giving anyone a lot of money probably turns out poorly as often as it does well regardless of who they are
Darren
August 12, 2023 @ 8:55 am
“when you give a hillbilly a million dollars”. I love that line.
The new William Matheny record that was released via Hickman Holler/Thirty Tigers is outstanding. Matheny is from WV, but the record makes me think of Elvis Costello and Zevon. Excellent collection of songs.
Aaron
August 11, 2023 @ 10:23 am
I think the reason I can’t get into Charles Wesley Godwin, as much as I want to, is he just sounds so much to me like someone trying to sound like Gordon Lightfoot. Every time I listen him I just come away thinking I’d rather listen to Gordon Lightfoot
Julian Spivey
August 11, 2023 @ 10:47 am
I doubt he’s intentionally trying to sound like Lightfoot though. Probably should hold the similarity against him.
Sean
August 11, 2023 @ 11:57 am
I was in the same boat until I saw him live. Became an instant fan.
Stellar
August 11, 2023 @ 1:43 pm
the thing is, TikTok also gave us Dixon Dallas (look him up, hopefully not at work).
The scale of TikTok means that things that go viral there are a really weird and different phenomenon than when Tyler Childers broke out.
Luke the Drifter
August 11, 2023 @ 9:40 am
Hmm, interesting thoughts all around. I’m actually from Farmville myself- which is a Piedmont town, not in Appalachia, although he is clearly going for the Appalachian resurgence vibe. I also share some of his political instincts, although I wouldn’t want to micromanage the diets of people on assistance and wonder perhaps the line about Epstein is pointed narrowly about that situation or represents more wild conspiracy thinking.
A couple things interest me about this whole phenomenon: One, the song is right on the border of being a little too preachy, as protest songs often are. But he shows some real craft, too: The very phrase “Rich men north of Richmond” is as evocative as he could have been, and the line about being an old soul in a new world is killer, especially with his delivery. It’s interesting that the song now registers as a conservative anthem, when it has a Woody Guthrie-like view of class struggle. Fifteen years ago Rolling Stone would have slobbered over it; I’m curious how many outlets will try to deem it problematic. If I’m Oliver, I would hope that they do…It is a double-edged sword because he is a real talent and I am grateful that he is getting a chance but I also wouldn’t want a world where people feel like political anthems are the key to advancement. As a conservative whose musical tastes often lean towards liberal artists like Isbell, I’m torn between being excited to finally hear a counterpoint with some artistry and being tired of political intrusions altogether.
As to the potential overexposure of the Appalachian resurgence, I think one of the critical problems is that none of these newcomers are making full-band music. In 2014-2017, when Sturgill, Stapleton, and then Tyler and Charles Wesley Godwin all showed up and started making people notice something different was happening in Kentucky, I would have described the music as a blend of honky-tonk, bluegrass, folk, southern rock and rhythm and blues, and 49 Winchester is a continuation of that. But these second wave guys are trying too hard to imitate the early unplugged Tyler Childers videos. This may be an unpopular opinion, but no arrangement is more overrated than “just a guy and his guitar.” When Tyler dismisses the band and plays “Nose on the Grindstone”, he goes for the jugular. But part of why it works is because it’s a change of pace. I know it’s easier for one guy to cut one of these YouTube videos but most of these songs would benefit from a rhythm section, some fiddle, some lead guitar, and some steel and/or banjo/mandolin, depending on what you’re going for. It’s too easy to sound alike strumming acoustic guitars. And some of these guys are oversingers, too.
Caddis Fly
August 11, 2023 @ 10:04 am
I agree with your assessment of the political angle of the song. I tend to be more left-leaning, and while I think politics can definitely play an important role in music, I think it’s a very fair critique to say that it works best when it’s done through the lens of storytelling (i.e., telling about one working man’s troubles rather than a laundry list of the Big Issues of the day) vs. what I think you are calling preachiness.
Isbell is a great example of someone who has done it really well sometimes with pointed and poignant songwriting that feels like it could be written about half the people you grew up with, and also really poorly sometimes when it feels like just checking the boxes.
So I think you’re right – this song isn’t *all* the way at the preachy end of the spectrum, but it’s probably closer to that side than the other. Luckily this guy has some incredible pipes to help tip the scale in his favor!
Jeff
August 13, 2023 @ 1:10 am
“This may be an unpopular opinion, but no arrangement is more overrated than “just a guy and his guitar.” When Tyler dismisses the band and plays “Nose on the Grindstone”, he goes for the jugular. But part of why it works is because it’s a change of pace. I know it’s easier for one guy to cut one of these YouTube videos but most of these songs would benefit from a rhythm section, some fiddle, some lead guitar, and some steel and/or banjo/mandolin, depending on what you’re going for. It’s too easy to sound alike strumming acoustic guitars.”
I would argue that *in this particular case*, the song is stronger for it being “just a guy and a guitar”, though you may be right about the possibility of adding more later into the song could make it punch even harder.
The example I would point to being the instant classic “Where Were You (When The World Stopped Turning)”. Incredibly simplistic musically at the front, but then really hits its full power when everything is added in.
Hank Miles
August 11, 2023 @ 12:40 pm
Good call on the Piedmont thing, I was scratching my head about Farmville as well. Sometimes when reading this blog and talking to musicians from more “traditional” country music recording areas there is always an air of dismissal and if not full blown bigotry when it come to the richness of Appalachian culture and musical tradition. The whole discussion of it being “oversaturated” and or “flaming out” or throwing money at “hillbillies” sounds to like a refusal to acknowledge the very deep and diverse tradition of Appalachian culture, as well as the complete ignorance on its far far reaching influence. Literally if you just inserted “rap” or “hip-hop” into this article and had it published in the early 2000s it would be the same sentiment of a lot of music blogs and critics of the time, because they fundamentally didn’t understand the deep traditional roots of the genre.
I think the real risk is the complete misunderstanding of what “Appalachia” is, the music blogs/critics using it as a genre name. This is also illustrated in the article. Although Trigger is much more self aware of this point. Appalachia is not a music genre and it sure as shit isn’t going to be correctly defined by an algorithm or a critic.
Similar to you I grew up in Appalachia and the Appalachian tradition, and while conservative, I too gravitate to the more “artsy”, “liberal” songwriters. I’d rationalize this tendency by the fact that Appalachia and Appalachians fundamentally fall out of the larger American brand of politics. Both parties (and their past iterations) have taken turns summarily dismissing, if not forcibly subjugating the area since the beginning of the United States. And the musical tradition reflects this. When you talk about how political critique is “best done through the lens of storytelling” you are absolutely right, and nothing shows it better than the real Appalachian tradition of protest songs, long long before the hippies and youth movement of the 60s-70s un-ironically associated them with middle-class angst and elite college campuses.
In conclusion I would tell the critics and politicians they should keep their ass on their side of the creek, and unless they can correctly pronounce Appalachia they should keep the word out of their mouth. The music industry was literally born on the songs and traditions of Appalachian music (and the delta of course) and have continued to bilk it without returning the favor. So for now ya’ll enjoy the music, and don’t worry about how Appalachian musicians will spend the money, you never seemed to give 2 shits when there was no money.
As old Hazel once said, “For every dime they give us a battle must be fought”
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 1:26 pm
“Sometimes when reading this blog and talking to musicians from more “traditional” country music recording areas there is always an air of dismissal and if not full blown bigotry when it come to the richness of Appalachian culture and musical tradition.”
I’m not sure how anyone could come to that conclusion after reading Saving Country Music over the last few years, or this article specifically. Not to toot my own horn, but I was the first (and 2nd, 3rd and 4th) to ever talk about Sturgill Simpson, who started off this whole Appalachian resurgence. I was the first to talk about Sierra Ferrell. I was the first to talk about a lot of the smaller artists such as Ian Noe, and Charles Wesley Godwin through his band Union Sound Treaty. The Appalachian region is the home and hotbed of the country music insurgency. I think the Appalachian culture is beautiful. That’s why I said in the article, ” Appalachia songwriters singing about the struggles of themselves and their neighbors is the very bedrock of country music.”. I’m not sure how someone could infer bigotry against Appalachia from that.
My commentary and concern about Appalachian music getting overheated and becoming a fad is not because I hate it. It’s because I love it and don’t want to see the pendulum swing in the other direction, which happens very commonly in music, and why I cited specific examples. To be frank, this is a problem of how the public commonly reads the media these days. Everything is slotted as either overt praise or scathing rebuke. This article was neither. It was an in-depth discussion about the current state of the Appalachian resurgence.
And also appreciate that I am not the only one showing these concerns. That is why I shared the anecdote about someone in the music industry feeling the same way, and you see other commenters giving similar thoughts.
The fact that Farmville is in the Piedmont is an important point, and it has been added to the article. The video was posted on the “RadioWV” page, which specializes in Appalachian singer and songwriters from the region. I think we’d all agree that Oliver Anthony’s style is very much influenced by the current trends in Appalachian music. And I understand “Appalachia” is not a genre. But it is a shorthand way to describe a style of music and a region. Oliver Anthony is clearly not singing Bro-Country, or Red Dirt, or bluegrass.
Hank Miles
August 11, 2023 @ 1:44 pm
Sorry fam, you’ve always been a champion. And a big props to you, honestly I would have never gone to my first Charles Wesley Godwin show…..or 45 Winchester…..or Pony Bradshaw concert if it wasn’t for your research and journalism. I would have been stuck listening to shiny NPR bluegrass, and only hearing the real shit when I luck into a store front jam session or a drunk late night circle on someones back porch. I am a shit editor and didn’t differentiate between you and the mainstream music journalists.
My only bone to pick was with the “burn out” and “hillbilly” comments which rubbed me the wrong way. Not necessarily with how you were using them in your specific context. But how those sentiments are projected by the broader dialogue of the industry as a whole.
Keep doing your shit Trigger, I’m only arguing to keep the thoughts going. You’d be more than welcome in the dark hallow with my family of hillbillies.
Hank Miles
August 11, 2023 @ 2:00 pm
Dangit, Tigger you had a really good rebuttal to my comment but it looks like it got deleted. Or maybe its just waiting in the either. Just want to clarify as I am a terrible editor. And didn’t mean to directly correlate your work with the greater world of music critics.
Trigger you’re the man, and have done great research and journalism on Appalachian music. And we do owe you a ton for highlighting the artist and pushing them to a broader audience. Hell, I would have been stuck listening to the Ashville art music they call “traditional bluegrass” if it wasn’t for your blog. I just take umbrage with some of the words you use. Not necessarily with how you use them but how they are more widely used in the national dialogue when it talks about Appalachia and Appalachian music, and how it inadvertently reinforces the national narrative on Appalachia.
Keep doing you.
Stellar
August 11, 2023 @ 9:58 pm
And her mother heard the devil on the midday radio
She listened to him tell her she should have some more to show
But he blamed it on her neighbor at the local dollar store
A tale as old as time to turn the poor against the poor
-Kentuckian S.G. Goodman, The Way I Talk
Aaron
August 11, 2023 @ 9:40 am
Trig, I think you hit the nail on the head as always about the oversaturation of Appalachia artists. Purgatory was an amazing album but I feel like Childers has spectacularly underperformed since and the real magic was him working with Sturgill. Living across the river from Louisville, these guys tour this area fairly frequently, at the very least Lexington is a hub.
I hear all the time from my friends down there that “so and so is the next Childers, come to this show.” and I go and end up underwhelmed. The only person that impressed me big time is Brit Taylor, who is awesome. Everyone else I’ve seen, John R. Miller, Tim Goodin, etc. just feels like it is the same thing over and over. I think what distinguished Purgatory was there were some fun songs in there too, it wasn’t all about struggle and life being shit. I saw someone open and every single song was depressing the entire set, and then he started talking about how his next song was about him and his grandpa going fishing and all I could think was “Oh God his grandpa’s going to drown.”
Luke the Drifter
August 11, 2023 @ 9:48 am
Absolutely! There was a sense of humor running throughout that album even amid the hard times and the spectre of impending judgment hanging over it, the title track being a great example.
BillWI
August 11, 2023 @ 12:35 pm
Hi Aaron, I haven’t seen him live but are sure you would lump John R. Miller in with the Childers bunch, stylistically? I’m listening to the Depreciated album again, I don’t get that. As far as Tyler, when he rears back and belts out a song similar to the video above it’s not my favorite version of him.
Caddis Fly
August 13, 2023 @ 7:27 am
Yes! It’s clear that Oliver has a good voice but he over-sings the hell out of this song. Wish he would let his foot off the gas a little so the belting was more special when it breaks through every now and then.
Tyler sings that way a good bit on some of the gospel heavy material on Hounds to Heaven, and it’s jarring to compare it to the more understated singing on Red Barn Radio.
murf
August 17, 2023 @ 12:12 am
that’s funny…go home grandpa!
Marcel Ledbetter
August 11, 2023 @ 9:57 am
“Gettin rich would be the last thing I’d ever need, cause drugs are all I’d spend it on”
Leroy Virgil
Tommy Toughbolts
August 11, 2023 @ 9:58 am
The guy has some amazing chops no doubt. There’s a definite sincerity in both the writing and the delivery.
To comment on the “…the obese milking welfare. If you’re 5’3”, and 300 lbs. taxes ought not pay for your bags of fudge rounds,” line that everyone is losing their minds over…
I don’t believe this to be an indictment of the obese necessarily. I believe he sees these folks as victim of the government assistance epidemic. That these people truly need help and that the government is just paying for their garbage food to keep them sick and dependent. Just my couple of pennies.
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 10:24 am
I agree that line is much more nuanced than the critics will give Oliver credit for. Once it becomes fashion to shit on this song on Twitter among the media/Adademic class, they will cut lines out of this song, present them out-of-context, and assign things to it that are just not there.
No mistake though, when I searched through Twitter to find out who was hying this video, it was people who are identifying with it politically. That is what took it from a super viral moment, to a mega viral one.
Anna
August 11, 2023 @ 1:13 pm
RW talking head/Podcaster and provacateur Matt Walsh is hyping Oliver’s video on his X page.
David Ackerman
August 13, 2023 @ 6:46 am
Oops, inadvertently liked that. By “academic media class” I presume you mean anybody who isn’t a sociopathic freak who’s not brainwashed by the rich ghouls who astroturf this kind of garbage.
David Ackerman
August 13, 2023 @ 6:53 am
Oops, inadvertently liked my own comment. You need to give us a way to undo that. Anyway, please disregard the 2nd “not” in my previous comment.
Conrad Fisher
August 11, 2023 @ 10:04 am
If you’re young, straight, white, and male in the U S of A 2023, you ain’t anything enough to sing the blues. Give him 20 years and he’ll be the rich man in Richmond.
I am still bored by this style of songwriting but I’ll wish anyone crazy enough to try to make a living at singing all the luck in the world.
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 11, 2023 @ 11:04 am
If you’re a young, straight, white, and male in the U S of A 2023, it’s not only legal, but encouraged to discriminate against you.
Conrad is a perfect example of why every United States citizen should be required to pass the same civics test that immigrants seeking citizenship must pass to become naturalized, prior to being allowed to vote.
Travis
August 11, 2023 @ 11:54 am
Midwit here. Conrad’s pretty on point. I’ve never applied for a job that I didn’t get. Additionally, I’m constantly being bombarded by recruiters for well paying jobs with competitors. In my youth, I lost count of the number of times I got caught breaking the law by police, with only one arrest to show for it. I should have numerous arrests (that life is far behind me at this point). As a midwit, these examples certainly can’t be due to my intellect and abilities, which are far inferior to yours. By your own assessment, there has to be something else at play. Being a 6’5″ white guy has definitely helped me along the way.
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 11, 2023 @ 12:32 pm
Conrad wouldn’t be on point if it were inserted into his anal cavity. I’ll repeat myself, because it’s true: In the United States of America, it is not only legal, but highly encouraged to discriminate against white men on the basis of race.
Midwits aren’t stupid, Travis; they’re midwits, and I appreciate the fact that you’re finally owning it.
Would you happen to be an upper-middle class suburbanite? That would explain a lot.
Travis
August 11, 2023 @ 1:35 pm
I’ve lived in minority neighborhoods my entire life and went to a middle and high school where I was a minority in many of my classes, not all. (I did go to a private elementary school…look out public education!) I wouldn’t call that upper middle class; although, my salary now would put me in that category; that’s not how I’ve lived 99% of my life. Maybe one day you’ll get something right.
David
August 15, 2023 @ 3:19 am
Good luck bothering with them, their brain is rotted out by culture wars junk.
thegentile
August 11, 2023 @ 12:28 pm
won’t anyone think of us young, straight, white men. we never get any breaks!
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 11, 2023 @ 1:03 pm
You might, but that’s not the question you should be asking.
It’s legal and encouraged to discriminate against you on the basis of race, in the United States of America in 2023.
You should be asking, “Is this okay?” “Is race-based discrimination good for me, my family, and my country?”
CountryKnight
August 11, 2023 @ 12:49 pm
Best Buy just launched a management program that includes everyone except Whites.
I believe that is called discrimination.
Well, Honky, the willfully blind never see until the ax is swung. See the French and Russian Revolutions.
Blair
August 11, 2023 @ 7:49 pm
I would argue Presidential candidates should take that civics test as well. Along with a background check.
But other than that you are full of shit.
Robert
August 12, 2023 @ 7:23 pm
Bro how thirsty are you to get in arguments about this nonsense?
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 13, 2023 @ 10:40 am
Not at all thirsty…zero thirst. I would prefer zero arguments, in favor of people removing their heads from their a**es.
If you saw a blind man walking towards a cliff, would you warn him, or just let him walk right off the edge?
If he argued about the existence of the cliff, or called the cliff a conspiracy, would you argue back in the hopes of convincing him, or would you silence yourself and let him fall?
CountryKnight
August 11, 2023 @ 12:56 pm
“If you’re young, straight, white, and male in the U S of A 2023, you ain’t anything enough to sing the blues.”
Really? I know plenty of young men in that situation who can rightly sing the blues. Not every white male in his 20s is eating caviar or even chicken every night. What a weird comment.
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 11, 2023 @ 1:26 pm
It was weird. Out of touch. Makes me think Conrad was born well-off, and just doesn’t know what goes on outside his bubble.
Travis
August 11, 2023 @ 1:56 pm
Or he’s actually grown up around minorities and seen first hand how they’re treated differently and how things are harder for people just because of their skin color. That’s why I made the reference to arrests in my post. I’ve seen Hispanic and black friends get arrested for way less than I’ve done without getting arrested. I’ve seen them ignored by teachers. I’ve seen people just assume they were the ones causing trouble when that’s not the case. If you can’t succeed in this country as a white person, you sure as hell aren’t going to succeed as a Mexican kid with an accent or black person, with the additional shit they have to deal with.
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 11, 2023 @ 3:29 pm
Data does not support what you continue to assert about minorities, and neither do your anecdotes.
So I’ll repeat myself again. It is not only legal, but highly encouraged, to discriminate against white men on the basis of race and/or sex in the United States of America.
And, are you under the impression that rural Pennsylvania is filled with minorities?
Conrad Fisher
August 11, 2023 @ 5:20 pm
Honky, you make me so tired. You know very little about me, my raising, privilege, or work ethic and you are really abrasive to the point that it’s not even fun discussing ideas with you. There are so many things I want to say to you but I don’t know where to stop or start. Come see me at Ragamuffin Hall and we can talk about it. ????
Meade Skelton
August 11, 2023 @ 10:03 pm
Im a singer and pianist write Alt Pop Country tunes. Also a Virginia native. Ive yet to be discovered.
Conrad Fisher
August 11, 2023 @ 1:45 pm
I don’t know, man. I was raised in a lower income household in Appalachia and my outlook is not bad. I’m straight, white, male, and young and I haven’t had any trouble so far. Not a fan of the weird turn this comment thread took, but I guess I should have known better!
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 8:14 pm
No more comments on this thread.
Di Harris
August 12, 2023 @ 8:29 am
None of my business, but curiosity is getting the best of me this morning.
Why did you tell Conrad – No more comments on this thread?
Why keep him from speaking?
Might be feeling protective.
But, think am just flat out confused, by this.
Appalachia’s residents live in parts of Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia, and all of West Virginia.
Trigger
August 12, 2023 @ 8:38 am
Completely over-the-top and line-crossing comments were left by “RD” and “Honky” in response to Conrad’s comment here, continuing this disruptive, off-topic, and inappropriate back-and-forth. Those comments were deleted. This underscores how everyone thinks they know how comments are being moderated, when the only person that has the full picture is me. You don’t know what’s been deleted, and you shouldn’t assume either.
J.T.
August 11, 2023 @ 11:31 pm
Lord, how does that tool (MW) still have an audience? Especially after those videos of him berating his pregnant wife got out.
Oliver feels like he’s walking the middle path. You could easily interpret those verses to whatever yer politics be, but that should hold true of any working class struggles song.
That part about “milking welfare” is going to get a visceral reaction no matter who hears it (RorL). It is all gonna come down to if the listener gets too hung up in feeding it into their personal flavor of politics or if they pay attention to that very next line and its deeper implications.
Keep writing them, like you’ve been writing them, Trigger.
Robert
August 12, 2023 @ 7:31 pm
you can say that but there’s quite of bit of subtext to those welfare lines and that line about ‘minors on an island’.
It’s the same shit that poor whites have been spoonfed from Washington for the past 50 years from conservative politicians who line their pockets with their constituents misery.
The irony is palpable.
J
August 13, 2023 @ 8:32 am
Does MW = Matt Walsh? You are confusing him with Steven Crowder.
James Ewell Brown
August 14, 2023 @ 12:28 pm
Well, there you go brah, that’s what you tell Cecilia…
Conrad Fisher
August 14, 2023 @ 5:57 pm
Haha! Thanks for listening!
Andrew
August 11, 2023 @ 10:12 am
I don’t even have to listen to this song to already be annoyed. Another #1 pop song woo-hoo. Give me Johnny Cash.
thebugman
August 11, 2023 @ 10:14 am
When I heard this for the first time, it was similar to when I heard Childers, Zach Bryan, and Cole Chaney for the first time. I could tell instantly the they just had “it”. (I know Chaney isn’t as big as the other two, but I think he’s equally as talented).
I’m excited to see where this guy goes.
wayne
August 11, 2023 @ 10:36 am
“And though it’s an amazing time in country music amid this resurgence of authenticity, it comes with serious risks of oversaturation, and perhaps, unsustainability.”
I think you just defined going “mainstream.”
Tfrog
August 11, 2023 @ 10:47 am
A bunch of music snobs. How funny. I guess a shorter way to put is a bunch of jealous people. A song resonates with millions of people and people like you “enlightened musical talents” want to critique it. Tells me where you all are at in your lives. Bless all of y’all’s hearts. SMH.
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 10:57 am
Not one criticism was levied against Oliver Anthony or “Rich Men from Richmond.” It was praised highly. All that happened here was an effort to put it in a greater context.
RJay
August 11, 2023 @ 11:24 am
What is wrong with critiquing? We are trying to understand what has happened, what is happening, and hypothesize what will happen.
Tfrog
August 11, 2023 @ 11:53 am
Nothing wrong with critiquing anything. It’s healthy. But sometimes it’s better to just sit back and listen. It may not be great i your ear. But millions of people are enjoying it. Those are the times when you have to ask yourself, “why am I critiquing something that people love”. You are 1 vs 100,000,000. Idk. Julliard turns out fantastic musicians. Nobody can argue that. But, how many of those graduates that have an absolute grasp on theory and composition can sing a simple song and relate to the everyday man. Idk. Hank. Merle. I think my point is, let’s let the people decide. They are the audience. Doesn’t everyone want an audience?
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 12:12 pm
I could have written a glowing review for this song, but I don’t know what the point of that would be. It’s already going mega-viral, and nobody needs for me to come in and tell them how great it is. I’ll reserve that for the stuff that deserves attention and is not getting it like Jason Eady’s new album. So instead I decided to try and explain the greater implications of this song and contextualize it in this time. I completely understand if people don’t want to read 20 paragraphs about a 3-minute song, but this is what I do.
Tom C
August 11, 2023 @ 10:49 am
Please never take an article from Barstool Sports seriously. Their sports podcasts have some value of intelligence and entertainment. But their written articles and blog posts are about as cheap as it gets. It’s truly remarkable that a company of their size has borderline illiterate people writing articles for them.
Rich
August 11, 2023 @ 10:54 am
Dammit Trigger – within 30 minutes of reading this article I’ve gotten texts from 3 different people with a link to check this guy out. I am not on social media at all. Never heard of this guy before today and now my friends think he should be my new favorite artist. I feel for you Brother knowing what your email inbox must be like.
The Original WTF Guy
August 11, 2023 @ 10:58 am
“It feels like we’re just a “Wagon Wheel” or “Achy Breaky Heart” moment away from Appalachian songwriters going from the coolest thing in country music to being cool to hate on because of the popularity and omnipresence of these dudes.”
I get where you are coming from, and more or less agree, but isn’t that terrible? What I mean is that shouldn’t “good” win out regardless? Change for changes sake is not good if the change is back to something like bro-country.
I remember after the second Son Volt record a friend commented that it sounded a lot like the first. I replied that since the first one was excellent, fine, and that furthermore if Son Volt didn’t make Son Volt music, who would?
So, yeah, maybe there is a point where there are too many Tylers or Zachs out there, but I’d rather have a whole bunch of them running from stage to stage than one Florida Georgia Line or Garth Brooks.
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 12:18 pm
I don’t want to be alarmist and I’m not saying that songs like “Rich Men North of Richmond” going viral is a bad thing. Obviously, we’re living in a time of riches in independent country/roots music I don’t think any of us could have imagined a few years ago. But I also worry that too much of a good thing can result in a backlash. Mumford & Sons becoming the biggest thing in all of music was followed shortly by Mumford & Sons and similar bands being mocked on a regular basis and falling completely out of favor. This was about the time people fell out of favor with “Wagon Wheel” too, which is a great song.
Gigi Quillian
August 11, 2023 @ 11:14 am
Trump and others could use this to great effect if the gentleman would write an additional verse. Not for Trumps image but a resolute verse. The whole song has a defeated feel to it. It needs the resolution of choices. Will the listener have a direction out of this disparaging epiphany?? Will they cave? What’s the solution? It needs to answer an unspoken question of… How long do they think they can get away with robbing those of us, other than those ‘North of Richmond” ?
matt
August 11, 2023 @ 11:57 am
I was just thinking it’s such a Bernie Sanders song for the exact same reasons, and that it recalls both James McMurtry (eg We Can’t Make it Here Any More) and Woody Guthrie (the entire catalog) among others. It’s not a left leaning song or a right leaning song, it’s a song about being left behind.
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 12:20 pm
This is a testament to the quality of Oliver Anthony’s songwriting. He didn’t cross any lines, even though he walked right up to a few of them. When a song can resonate across political lines—especially these days—you’ve done something special.
Keith Andrews
August 12, 2023 @ 2:34 pm
Attacking welfare recipients in the same breath as “rich men”? He lost me there.
Robert
August 12, 2023 @ 7:40 pm
I’m so conflicted with this song. It’s so CLOSE to being great, but he just absolutely spoils the broth with all that FoxNews mind poison bullshit. Upside – I discovered Nolan Taylor!
OP is right about one thing: this song is going to EXPLODE when CNN gets on and starts whining about it.
Adam Sheets
August 11, 2023 @ 11:15 am
I don’t have a problem with the song or with him, but I’m not sure he’s firing at the best target with his welfare line. We just had a major trucking company go bankrupt just a few years after receiving $700 million in government subsidies and that’s just the latest example of the government being there with a blank check any time wealthy people who have had everything handed to them their entire lives find out they can’t balance a checkbook and end up running a business into the ground. Hell, I saw an article today where Nickelback received $2 million in government funds and they aren’t even American. To be clear, the people he’s referring to are a problem (or, more accurately, a symptom of the larger problem or deindustrialization and lack of investment) and I’d rather see that money spent on improving the schools or any variety of other things. But if I’m going to call out someone for sucking on the government tit, Tom Brady – who received $960,000 in government loans in 2020 – would be a lot higher on my list than the people he’s talking about. And it’s worth pointing out Fudge Rounds will last longer on the shelf than fresh produce, which is a major consideration when you’re only getting SNAP once a month. They’re also easier to find that fresh produce in the dollar stores that are replacing mom and pop stores all over Appalachia.
But, with that being said, his heart seems to be in the right place and he’s definitely a talent to watch. I’m loving all of the great Appalachian artists we’re seeing these days and as hoptown stated there is actually quite a bit of variety among them. But, as you know, this subgenre has been quietly thriving for decades well before Childers, Stapleton and Sturgill blew up. Fifth on the Floor and others like them seem to have came around just a few years too early to get caught in the rising tide, but the vein is deep for those willing to dig.
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 12:21 pm
Good points.
Mike W.
August 11, 2023 @ 3:33 pm
I was going to post something similar, but you said it best.
There are people in this thread spouting the same bored, tired talking points they always use.
Yet, I never see them focus that same anger at corporate America lapping up subsides and tax payer dollars without a care in the world.
Stellar
August 11, 2023 @ 10:04 pm
All that, and also:
And her mother heard the devil on the midday radio
She listened to him tell her she should have some more to show
But he blamed it on her neighbor at the local dollar store
A tale as old as time to turn the poor against the poor
-S.G. Goodman, The Way I Talk
Lake Erie Brown
August 14, 2023 @ 12:37 pm
I’ll take SG Goodman over this dunderhead every day. Now THATS the new voice of the working class we’ve needed so badly.
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 11, 2023 @ 11:20 am
Corporatism was Republicanism for a long time, but when the communists realized they would be able to gain power faster in the United States by aligning with corporations and then using those corporations to funnel messaging to the American malcontents, than with the white, working class, it became necessary for the communists to make the white, working man enemy number one.
This explains why major left-aligned corporations like Walmart and Amazon are anti-union, despite unions being aligned with Democrats historically. White people from the rust belt tended to vote Democrat, despite holding traditional values, because of unions. Now that the communists have come to the full realization that they no longer need the crackers to win elections, they’ve kicked them to the curb in every conceivable way, in favor of the malcontents, and then lured in the Cul-de-sac-Karens by using the “plight” of the malcontents to play on Karen’s emotions and win her vote.
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 12:05 pm
Honky,
I understand there is a political component to this song and this story, but this is a great example of going out-of-bounds by using whatever is being discussed to launch into what YOU want to discuss as opposed to the discussion on hand. Debating the food assistance point, etc. is fair game. This is not.
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 11, 2023 @ 12:13 pm
Trigger,
I actually said all that to say the following, and forgot to add it, and I was going to ask you to add it to my comment, but since you’ve already scolded me, I’ll just post this 3rd paragraph separately.
This is what drives songs like this. This is what Anthony and others like him are expressing. All he ever wanted was to be left alone…but now he can’t, thanks to the rich men north of Richmond.
Hank Miles
August 11, 2023 @ 1:15 pm
Hit the nail on the head, this shit is all incredibly related which is what scares me about the national news machine and its social commentary trying to define Appalachia and its politics/history.
The welfare state, obesity, union busting, and socialist movements of today and yesterday all have had a profound effect on the Appalachian Region (as well as the Piedmont of Virginia) and its people. All of this is reflected in the song, but unfortunately neither side of the political coin will ever bother to learn this history. Whether it was the republican corporatization of Earl Butz and Nixon (get big or get out), or the eminent domain, forced institutionalization, and sterilization of the Eisenhower presidency, Appalachia is a skeleton in the closet for the commenters and writers of both political traditions.
So if you wonder why they keep throwing around the term of “Appalachia” as if it is a music genre, it’s because it’s easier than acknowledging the region and its people. nothing to see here just a viral moment from a bunch of “hillbillies.”
I find it especially hilarious when people talk about the music being “too depressing,” like no shit.
Another funny note, it was hilarious when people all got into a tizzy about Tyler Childer’s “Long Violent History” as being some kind of liberal suck up to BLM but completely missed the second half of his comparison. It’s not a rhetorical question, he’s talking about a very real very long violent history, that has yet to be recognized by pop culture, media, or the key board warriors.
“How many boys could they haul off this mountain
Shoot full of holes, cuffed, and laid in the streets
‘Til we come in to town in a stark ravin’ anger
Looking for answers and armed to the teeth
30 aught sixes, papaw’s old pistol
How many, you reckon, would it be, four or five?
Oh, would that be the start of a long, violent history
Of tuckin’ our tails as we try to abide?”
Seehowfaryoumakeitdowntheroad
August 11, 2023 @ 3:24 pm
Tyler Childers song fails where this one succeeds because “Long Violent History” and your snippet suggest that police kill blacks at a disproportionate rate to whites and that there is an effort to harm or murder people in a systematic way. Statistics prove this as false. 9 unarmed blacks were killed by cops in 2021, in a country of 350 million and millions of police encounters. The song fails because everyone hates when someone is killed by police. It sucks. But to suggest we need to abolish them or that that all working police are racist is ludicrous. Whites are killed by police at a higher rate. Without using Google, tell me the last white person killed by police. Yet we know every black person killed. It doesnt fit the narrative. “Long Violent History” suggests that police are hellbent on killing blacks and further ignores why police might shoot someone, anyone whether white, black or any other color. In nearly every case we’ve heard over the last 10 years, it involved a suspect shooting back at police, lunging for the cops gun, running away, not complying, and resisting arrest. Any of those things would prevent police acting violent towards you. In terms of the most famous example, George Floyd. He was ripping off hard working immigrants, high on marijuana, fentanyl and meth while driving. He swallowed the baggie of drugs as the cops appeared, and had a medical issue as a result causing him to have a panic attack in the back of the cop car and it was he himself who requested being put on the ground. No one deserves to die, but his death was preventable by his own actions. I support all cops in all situations including Chauvin.
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 3:33 pm
This article is not about Black Lives Matter, race, or police. Let’s please keep the discussion on topic and away from divisive political subjects.
Grant Esasky
August 11, 2023 @ 11:21 am
I like the song and It obviously has touched a nerve and resonates with people (as good music should). I know that there has been a giant influx of Appalachian singers/themes in recent years and some people are tired of it and believe it to be a fad but I contend that those themes have always been present in country/bluegrass and will continue to be. Most of us who read this site loved this stuff for years and decades before this moment in time where it has found greater appeal. And yes part of the allure was the underground nature of it but at the same time it was the substance and sound that drew us and held us. I hope he finds success (however he might define that) and is not eaten up by those with an agenda or who hope to profit off his art and this cultural moment. It’s a good song and compelling video that speaks to myself and millions of others Americans who have been forgotten and kicked down but never heard music speak to them like this song has. Hopefully this viral moment helps them discover other country artists that we have been pushing for years and the love and appetite for this kind of music grows.
As I have stated before , country music is a purely American art form born out of hard times, hard places and hard people. It is music made by the common man, for the common man, with instruments that could be easily procured or made by such a fellow. The distinct instruments and lyricism are married together in euphony to create a soundtrack for our earthly pilgrimage. No other genre is so suited to both the hardships and joys of life like country music is. It is a family affair. And like a family, it is singularly unique. It is tied to a place and time with a slew of characters, stories and journeys. In the end though and when it matters most, it is always there when you need it; to ground you, grieve with you, admonish you and encourage you.
There will always be an audience for this ^…
Debra
August 11, 2023 @ 11:28 am
What kind of guitar is he playing?
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 12:24 pm
Looks like a 3/4-sized Grestsch Resonator guitar, G9200 series with a mahogany top.
BillWI
August 11, 2023 @ 12:29 pm
Gretsch round neck resonator.
Tap
August 11, 2023 @ 5:14 pm
Yup, Gretsch Boxcar. I think it’s the Bobtail model, but it may be the Alligator. They’re reasonably good playing, entry level resonators.
Bibs
August 12, 2023 @ 5:45 pm
Those guitars are becoming more popular these days. I’ve seen a number of “rootsy, Americana” artists using them lately. They are about $450 new.
Moses Mendoza
August 11, 2023 @ 11:34 am
Farmville isn’t in Appalachia, and there’s nothing particularly workingmanesque about talking shit about people who need food assistance.
Joshua Reid
August 11, 2023 @ 11:45 am
He’s not trash talking people who need food assistance. He’s trashing the govt for throwing $ (our money) at the problem and sticking their head in the sand instead of actually helping people (for example, recommending the right food instead of letting the corn syrup lobby push their crap on everyone).
Moses Mendoza
August 11, 2023 @ 11:59 am
Doesn’t he literally bemoan their “total control” in an adjacent line? So you’re saying this should be read as both against taxation and control, but also for more intense and controlling intervention aimed at food insecurity? And how did it go the last time someone in the federal government tried to move the needle on healthy eating habits?
The idea that some people (mainly rural white victims of industrial decline) deserve benefits while others (urban blacks stereotyped as lazy) don’t has been going around for a long time, and it’s stupid, because everyone deserves to have access to food, and the reality is that most choices people making in spending their benefits mirror regular eating habits. It’s just cheap shot that recalls decades of racist propaganda.
I will say that homeboy (who looks like he eats well) has a nice voice, and rich men north of Richmond is a clever turn of phrase.
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 11, 2023 @ 12:19 pm
Do you ever wonder why something is the way it is, and then think deeply about it to the point of seeking out the answer?
Like, have you ever done that in your life? Like even once?
Can I make someone dependent on me, by creating a problem for them, and then offering a pseudo-solution that doesn’t make the problem go away, but provides just enough relief so that they’ll ask me for more…over and over again?
BigSkyLancaster
August 11, 2023 @ 1:35 pm
This is wrong on many fronts, but let’s start with the premise that “people deserve access to food.” It’s a ridiculous disregard for biological history in search of moral superiority. You can paint it as racist or whatever to start with the premise that people deserve access to food but the basic principles of human and animal evolution prove that is not true. Deserve has nothing to do with it. Racism is so far from this subject that it is comical that you would counterintuitively inject it into this conversation.
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 11, 2023 @ 2:03 pm
Who are you talking to?
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 11, 2023 @ 11:56 am
I wonder if Moses has ever had an original thought in his entire life. Probably not. If he had, he’d ask questions like:
“Why are there people who are 5’3″ 300 lbs. that the government allows to buy cheap, trash food, on the taxpayer dime?”
thegentile
August 11, 2023 @ 12:40 pm
wait, we should limit the personal freedom of obese people on food stamps?
VERY AMERICAN, honk. new handle is very apt tho.
CountryKnight
August 11, 2023 @ 1:05 pm
Yes.
If they receive taxpayer money, then there should be restrictions.
Honky isn’t advocating for the government to tell the average citizen how to spend their food money. Of course, there have been government officials trying to ban soda sizes. That is tyranny.
thegentile
August 11, 2023 @ 1:17 pm
small soda = tyranny.
i am very smort.
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 11, 2023 @ 1:08 pm
Again, wrong question.
Ask this instead.
“Should we encourage morbidly obese people to eat trash that will keep them morbidly obese, and make everyone else subsidize it?”
thegentile
August 11, 2023 @ 1:16 pm
the only people ‘encouraging’ people to eat trash are the corporations that sell it. that’s capitalism baby.
CountryKnight
August 11, 2023 @ 1:17 pm
It is our duty as Americans to subsidize the living of others. “Thou shall work while others shall mooch.”
We already do it for the world. Why not at home?
thegentile
August 11, 2023 @ 1:30 pm
i seem to remember this guy named jesus saying something about feeding the poor, helping those in need. i don’t seem to remember a lot of qualifiers after that. anyways, selective religion is neat.
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 11, 2023 @ 4:04 pm
…”the only people ‘encouraging’ people to eat trash are the corporations that sell it. that’s capitalism baby.”…
Are there really still people who don’t know what cronyism is, or what a lobbyist is?
Moses Mendoza
August 11, 2023 @ 12:51 pm
I’ve been a social worker, in Appalachia, working with poor kids and families for the last twenty years. Obesity isn’t caused by food assistance programs, even though many of the same vulnerabilities that would predict qualification for food assistance also predict obesity (and substance use, criminality, school disruption, etc…) But if you were to study the people right above the line to qualify for food assistance, and those right below, you wouldn’t find that those getting the help were any fatter than those that just missed it.
As you can imagine, neither you or Oliver Anthony are the first to posit whether food benefits should be restricted to healthy foods. The idea has been studied and discussed to death, at all levels, and the conclusions are basically that imposing those restrictions would make the programs way more expensive, not significantly change participant behavior, put a huge burden on the private entities (grocery stores, for example) that participate, and further harm participants through shame and stigma. All that said, food stamps are a great program! Families that access them have way better educational and economic outcomes, and I have to admit, it bothers me to hear program that work pilloried for cheap applause.
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 11, 2023 @ 1:21 pm
…”But if you were to study the people right above the line to qualify for food assistance, and those right below, you wouldn’t find that those getting the help were any fatter than those that just missed it.”….
Sure, but they’re eating the same food. And if they’re not getting assistance, they will be soon. I’ve seen it all my life.
The cost of food is a separate topic. I wasn’t implying that the government should force them to use Food Stamps for health food, although I’m not opposed to that. I’m saying that the government has disenfranchised large swaths of this country by aiding in the elimination of middle-class jobs. People who can’t work need assistance, the government provides assistance, but not the right kind, and not enough, which leads to generational poverty, etc…it’s a cycle.
You’d have to show me a cost analysis to prove it to me, but going off of my own experience in the grocery store, I can feed my family on fresh pork, broccoli, rice, chicken thighs, potatoes, etc. for about as much as I could eating frozen burritos or Ramen noodles, or TV dinners.
Adam S
August 12, 2023 @ 10:30 pm
“aiding in the elimination of middle-class jobs”
You can thank reaganism for that. It’s not a coincidence that the middle class evaporated after corporate taxes went down and free trade was encouraged.
RJay
August 11, 2023 @ 5:37 pm
As I sit here reading this, I’m eating beef from my pasture and vegetable from my garden. Do gardens and pastures not exist in Appalachia? Instead of importing garbage food, can there not be more government programs to teach and encourage food security? I understand that this would ‘cost’ more in the short term, that people taking care of themselves doesn’t improve the bottom line of mega corporations, and that Honky will say ‘Wrong question, you should ask this instead…’ – I get it, fixing problems for those in Appalachia is not the goal for those north of New Richmond – but can’t this be a tenable goal?
Moses Mendoza
August 11, 2023 @ 7:45 pm
Yes! The program works amazingly with local farmers and community gardens, offering double credit or better for local products, plus free supplies and education around small, sustainable food systems. That’s what’s so shitty about people taking cheap shots at a program that actually supporting people taking charge of their own communities.
Stellar
August 11, 2023 @ 10:09 pm
Yes, that’s why you can buy seeds with food assistance. As far as beef, I’m sure you know how much it cost to keep a cow. Also, kind of hard to do in a trailer park.
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 12, 2023 @ 10:12 am
RJay,
Instead of trying to make food assistance better, why not fix the root cause of the problem: people don’t have jobs, because we sent manufacturing overseas.
Why don’t we force companies that are doing business in our country, to manufacture their products here too, or buy American made products?
That’s what I’m trying to talk about. A lot of the food problems go away when people can get good jobs.
CountryKnight
August 11, 2023 @ 12:51 pm
Most of them are living off the government because they are lazy.
thegentile
August 11, 2023 @ 1:13 pm
reminds me of a very great, very clueless lauren boebert tweet:
“I’m living the American dream. I came up from welfare, standing in line waiting for government cheese, to now running for Congress.
Let’s keep radical socialists out of government so that people can be empowered to lift themselves out of poverty, rather than wait on government!”
9:28 AM – Sep 16, 2020
Kevin Smith
August 11, 2023 @ 11:36 am
A lot of spot on comments here. Yeah, no new territory here. Early on I criticized the Zach Bryan stuff for being extremely primitive and amateurish in musical style and instrumentation, lack of polish, production etc. And I was correct by any measure. But what I failed to grasp at the time, was that the idea of hearing low- fi demos coming from a sincere songwriter who can emote well, is exactly what’s made this the end all fad of the moment. It doesn’t sound like the crap big production Nashville puts out. And the whole organic nature of it all is the sell. It’s the antithesis of manufactured cookie cutter pretty boys, braying about going clubbing while singing through auto- tune backed by an 808 beat doing its best to sound urban… Trig nailed it with the hillbilly yanked out of the woods with a guitar reference. There’s a charm to it. That’s why.
Personally, I’m not a huge fan of this, but I like to get together with a couple of other knuckleheads and bang around on acoustics and pretend we can sing, for nothing more than our own cheap amusement, so I’d be a hypocrite to say I can’t relate. The difference is, if I were to hit record, I would go for a much more polished sound before releasing it into the wild. ( and that ain’t what this dude is going for)
As for the lyrical content, nothing that hasn’t been sung 1000 times before. Working Man Blues, Sixteen Tons, life is a struggle, rich man bad etc etc. Nonetheless, it’s easy to see why it’ll go viral.
NAB
August 14, 2023 @ 10:51 am
Pigging backing on this comment a little, but you said something really interesting at the end about how Anthony’s song isn’t saying anything “new” which is certainly true. I think what is “new” is that we are not allowed to give voice to such discontent for risk of being labeled by someone. E.g.: you aren’t allowed to notice inflation that is eating up your paycheck but instead have to endorse the wonders of the “Biden economy” where inflation isn’t going up as fast as it had been, so stop saying your life is hard, you ingrate!
As for the style of the song and the video production, I really like the rawness and lack of overproduction. My goodness, it is so nice to not hear autotune..
Jim Bones
August 11, 2023 @ 11:48 am
Thanks for putting everything i was thinking into words. There is no doubt the song and the performance are incredible and inspired. However, before i even watched the video, when 3 people sent me it and i saw a bearded white dude singing into a mic in the woods i like rolled my eyes and thought damn, there really is a formula to go viral now haha. NOT saying the song or Oliver is formulaic. Just we’ve seen so many of this style viral video at this point. Anyways gotta respect the voice, song, and most of all the passion of this dude. Just wish people would chill the fuck out about it.
Speaking of appalachia there is a little known gentleman from kentucky who is rumored to “rip” “super fucking hard” and his name is Jeremy R. Pinnell. He rips really really hard especially his last album “Goodbye LA”
Hank
August 11, 2023 @ 11:55 am
Trigger, this is off topic, but did you see the Turnpike Troubadours on the Bobby Bones Show? I guess the exposure can be looked at as a good thing, but that is a scary direction to go in.
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 12:26 pm
Yes, might have something about this soon.
CountryKnight
August 11, 2023 @ 1:18 pm
Turnpike on the Bobby Bones Show?
That is just wrong.
CountryKnight
August 11, 2023 @ 12:52 pm
Longwood University is in Farmville, Virginia.
Good basketball program.
dancinmikeb
August 11, 2023 @ 11:23 pm
Jerome Jersey! My man, may he rest in peace
Scott
August 11, 2023 @ 12:53 pm
Don’t quit singing your songs!
Your latest song has allot of meaning in it.
Jimbeam
August 11, 2023 @ 12:54 pm
Good for this guy. Great voice and deserves his shot.
Tyler has given us a fiddle album, 8 new songs played 3 different ways, and now a 7 track album coming up. In 5years. We need more people with a similar sound to the “old Tyler”.
Zach Bryan at least puts out a ton of music and so far hasn’t changed who he is with the fame. Good contrast to Tyler who puts out nothing/worse product over the years
BigSkyLancaster
August 11, 2023 @ 12:58 pm
Trig – wasn’t the moment Wagon Wheel got recorded by Darius Rucker the moment that Appalachian songwriters went from “the coolest thing in Country music to being cool to hate on..” and wasn’t that approaching a decade ago?
CountryKnight
August 11, 2023 @ 1:00 pm
Good enough tune but songs like “I’m Just Sayin'” by Austin Moody and “Or When the Good Boys Age Out” by Jon Wolfe are more effective.
Fox
August 11, 2023 @ 1:13 pm
Maybe that is the next chapter for SCM – focusing on the forgotten acts that helped “us” get here.
I would not mind a full article on Joseph Huber (or a review of The Downtowner) or Leroy/Hellbound to explain how pivotal they were.
Less clicks though…
Also there is this dude called Jeremy Pinnell who is believed to be the second coming of country jesus. He ripeth.
Jake Cutter
August 11, 2023 @ 1:36 pm
I scour this site and the comments for overlooked gems, but I would appreciate a roundup of all them by the trigger man….that would be cool.
Stellar
August 11, 2023 @ 10:12 pm
I’m not Trigger but I invite you to explore this giant list of non mainstream country artists we crowdsourced:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E4rYG4AWUW0zIp_vuEugfXC2TPU9jal0e4CL17C-p68/edit?usp=drivesdk
Jake Cutter
August 13, 2023 @ 7:29 pm
Thank you!
A lot I know, a lot I don’t.
Who is “we?”
Stellar
August 15, 2023 @ 1:17 am
I’ve been running that document and soliciting names for it for several years on Reddit, GimmeCountry, here in the comments, and passing the link around to people I meet in person. There have been a ton of suggestions from proably a couple dozen people at least. So it’s a collective ‘we’ indeed.
Travis
August 11, 2023 @ 1:51 pm
I’d put Scott Biram on that list, even though he’s more bluesy than country; he goes back and forth between the two. I just gave a friend a heads up that he should go see him as he’ll be in his town in a few weeks. I noticed Biram’s crowds getting bigger when they were playing his music on Sons of Anarchy (I’ve never seen that show), but he seems to be back to a little bit of a smaller crowd now. I know Trig also has an article where he summarizes a lot of those bands that’s he’s reposted before.
Steven
August 12, 2023 @ 9:54 am
Is he still playing as a one man band? Saw him years ago, very cool guy.
Travis
August 12, 2023 @ 6:15 pm
I see him almost every year and he’s always doing the one man band thing. I just moved and it looks like I’ll miss him this year though.
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 2:01 pm
I still cover these foundational underground artists whenever I can and will definitely in the future, clicks be damned. They are the foundation and roots of Saving Country Music, and I won’t abandon them. There was a reason I mentioned these names in an article I knew a lot of people would read.
Dr Funk
August 15, 2023 @ 12:21 pm
There was a period where he had a punked out back up band also, cant remember if that was before the truck incident or not.
Jake Cutter
August 11, 2023 @ 1:28 pm
I like it.
Corncaster
August 11, 2023 @ 1:49 pm
There we go. This is a good sign all around.
Although you can make $30/hr driving a garbage truck around here. Problem is, not enough people pass a drug test.
Barn dance tonight, and Epstein didn’t kill himself.
Di Harris
August 11, 2023 @ 2:58 pm
Not sure if like his style of delivery.
Have sat on this for several hours.
Posting it.
Give a hillbilly a million dollars.
REALLY?
Pretty biased statement.
Answered with – Carly, who has been hanging all over Borchetta, recently in pictures.
Give a — a million dollars.
Not to mention Pearce was given much more attention than her singing “talent” deserved, whilst McBryde, forced to play organ grinders monkey, to Pearce, is still clawing her way to where she should have been, all along.
And, let’s not forget Caylee Hammack, & Pillbox Patti.
Very talented singers.
Agree with you, that too many people coming out of the woodwork, could be detrimental to country.
On the other hand, music journalists, (That would be You) and other music enthusiasts helping separate the wheat from the chaff, are greatly appreciated
Is interesting to me that the Blues scene doesn’t seem to have this problem.
Thank Goodness
Seehowfaryoumakeitdowntheroad
August 11, 2023 @ 3:01 pm
Love to see it. With Jason Aldean’s track and Oliver Anthony, maybe Nashville and the industry will note we don’t want woke SJW content in our country music and that country music is pro America, pro police, pro Trump and pro populist. Hope he gets signed and hits it big.
Out of Appalachia
August 12, 2023 @ 1:44 pm
I don’t remember Johnny, Waylon, or Willie blindly praising the thin blue line, and I’d wager Trump isn’t nearly as big a fan of any kind of country music as it is of him. It’s a shame that the counterculture that outlaw country represented has been forgotten by so many with so little self-awareness.
Seehowfaryoumakeitdowntheroad
August 12, 2023 @ 2:42 pm
Thats a valid point, but I also think all those guys had a mix of conservative and liberal beliefs. You will never convince me that if any were alive in 2023, that they’d be part of todays left wing. That would never happen. They’d all be canceled anyways given all said things that were politically incorrect. I have a hard time believing Johnny Cash or Waylon Jennings would be in support of rioting in 2020 or throwing bricks at cops even if they might have been upset at specific incidents of “police misconduct”. You think Johnny Cash would doing press for organizations that oppose police and call for the abolition of police and prisons in 2023? I dont.
I also agree about the lack of a counterculture in country and in music as a whole in 2023. The idea that spouting ideas that every corporation, every media outlet, the government, all agree with, is that in any way controversial or countercultural? Its not. Back in the 60’s people questioned the government, were skeptical of corporations and big business, were skeptical of big pharma, if the government said you had to do this you questioned it and pushed back. In Nashville, the idea that supporting the woke ideas and messaging of the day is in any shape manner or form a radical position at all is ludicrous. Were there any major corporations at all that pushed back on the woke messaging in 2020? I cant think of any. So what exactly are they fighting about and who are they trying to convince? I wonder if in the back of these peoples minds they consider that they support a position that big banks, big pharma, big business, major multinational billon dollar corporations, Big Oil, the government, the media, newspapers, television, all support their message. Does it give them pause that maybe that makes them the bad guys if those caliber of people support it? Look who supported Crooked Hillary in 2016. Those same group of people also hate Trump. The idea that those forces might not really care about the woke causes of the day but are merely wanting to make money from supporting the current cause doesnt seem to register to these people. The idea that the neocons who cheered us into Iraq in 2003, now support Trumps opposition, and that this doesnt make anyone question the narrative at all is wild.
Seehowfaryoumakeitdowntheroad
August 12, 2023 @ 3:02 pm
Agreed about Trump, he’s a classic rock fan. I don’t think he’s lived a day of his life in rural flyover states or spent a day on a farm. The last country fan who was a President was George W. That said, I think it speaks to Trump’s unique skill that the unemployed miner in WV or the blue collar worker at a mill in Alabama, or the farmer in Florida all feel like Trump can relate to, speak to and speak for them. Trump doesn’t condescend, look down on, or demean these people. Ultimately thats why he won in 2016 and it explains his mass appeal to this day. He isn’t going to Alabama and putting on clothes or shirts to appeal to that crowd to make them believe he cares about them. He is himself, always. And people sense that. That is a natural ability that can’t be taught or studied. Very few politicians have that. He speaks from the heart. There isn’t a worry his speech has some hidden agenda, that focus groups are crafting it, that he tells you one thing but really wants to do this or that. He speaks plainly and clearly in a way few politicians ever have. What you see is what you get. He’s not speaking one way to people in Wyoming and one way to New Yorkers. He speaks his truth no matter what. Theres no put on, or how will this be received. None of that. Until the left understands that, Trump will continue to be the most magnetic and interesting character in politics. And even if they do realize that they can’t stop him. No one in politics on either side of the aisle has that magnetism and charisma. Not even close.
Out of Appalachia
August 12, 2023 @ 4:19 pm
Even though Cash was a bit religiously self-righteous later in his life, you can’t convince me that he and the other outlaws would be so morally bankrupt as to go from flipping the bird at the warden of San Quentin to supporting Donald Trump.
In a similar vein, I think Ronnie Van Zant would be ashamed of what Lynyrd Skynyrd has become – although maybe he’d have given up his Saturday Night Special views for God & Guns after a few years of playing the free-concert-in-a-Walmart-parking-lot circuit too.
I consider it far likelier the outlaws and southern rockers of decades ago would consider Chris Stapleton, Tyler Childers, Steve Earle, and the Drive-by Truckers (all of whom have had positive things to say about Black Lives Matter) to be their spiritual successors than Jason Aldean or Oliver Anthony. Regardless, I don’t understand your insistence on bringing up BLM as if whites have never rioted or conspired, and more recently than the George Floyd protests at that.
It’s baffling how many SCM fans don’t realize that anyone smart enough to make music they like isn’t going to espouse the views that Jason Aldean purports to hold.
Di Harris
August 12, 2023 @ 4:42 pm
“I consider it far likelier the outlaws and southern rockers of decades ago would consider Chris Stapleton, Tyler Childers, Steve Earle, and the Drive-by Truckers (all of whom have had positive things to say about Black Lives Matter)”
It’s a shame you have so little awareness.
seehowfaryoumakeitdowntheroad
August 12, 2023 @ 5:16 pm
Completely disagree. Imagining Johnny Cash in a BLM hat saying we need to burn down the Portland federal building and throwing molotov cocktails at cops and trying to murder them wasnt part of his thing and it wouldnt be now. Theres a difference between empathizing and trying to help prisoners and then wanting to abolish cops and prisons. Johnny still understood criminals exist and need to be punished. I brought up BLM because you suggest Johnny Cash and Waylon would be supportive of those types of movements. Both sung in support of Robert E Lee and Johnny famously told people what he would do if someone burned an American flag in his presence. As I said they all held some conservative and some liberal beliefs, but to paint them as woke or SJW in any manner, which you did, is completely insane. Its interesting that you are so insistent that outlaw culture only is left wing or marxist in nature, and dont address my other points about how being supportive of BLM, vaccines, Ukraine, anti free speech, is the norm and not in any way confrontational to the power structures at all. The outlaws pushed back on mainstream culture. Those chanting BLM slogans or saying get your 4th booster vaccine arent in any way confronting the system at all. They literally are the system. Theres also the difference between what those outlaws were saying and what they actually did. Johnny didnt murder a man in Reno regardless of what the lyrics say. He wasnt throwing bricks at cops, and if you are suggesting he’d be ok with it because he flipped off the warden, you have no clear understanding of Johnny Cash or of what he stood for. He was wildly pro America, pro flag, support the troops. Even those presidents he disliked he disagreed with their policies but was respectful. I think he’d be horrified at the rhetoric of the left in the Trump era. Whites indeed have rioted before, and you wont find a conservative that supports those events. The difference and why I brought it up was the riots after Fentanyl Floyd died of a drug overdose, the riots were explained away as people letting off steam. They were excused and applauded. It was only after Jan 6, when conservatives stormed the Capitol, and frightened politicians who cheered the Summer of Love riots on and said we need to abolish cops, were suddenly appreciative of those DC cops who saved their lives and gave them a standing ovation. Theres a serious disconnect there. Jason Aldean seems to be a smart guy if he got his first number one based on that song. I think it’s childish and rather rude to suggest SCM readers that oppose leftism are not smart, or that we dont understand real country. It certainly breaks the SCM rules of not attacking the readers and posters here.
Trigger
August 12, 2023 @ 5:19 pm
This article is not about BLM, vaccines, Ukraine, or anything else. Any further off-topic comments will be deleted, and will result in this comments section being shut down.
Stay on topic.
Out of Appalachia
August 12, 2023 @ 5:41 pm
I think it’s at the very least on topic to Trigger’s original article to point out that Willie Nelson, original outlaw, had Chris Stapleton, “authentic Appalachian” from Kentucky, on his Outlaw Music Festival tour last year, so I really don’t think my stance that the outlaws of the country music we grew up loving wouldn’t agree with the “political channels” pushing Oliver Anthony is an unprovable hypothesis (at least I don’t plan to question Willie’s bona fides).
seehowfaryoumakeitdowntheroad
August 12, 2023 @ 7:26 pm
I think Oliver Anthony wrote a song that resonates with a huge number of people, just as Jason Aldeans song did. The article attempts to understand this and we all should try to understand it. Oliver’s voice is pure and true. I think it’s condescending and harmful to our society to put those people who enjoy this guys work, not just this song but all 8 or 9 songs he released. I’d prefer empathy and understanding in that regard. Otherwise it just comes across as cranky old man whining and whatnot. I think the clear through line with Jason Aldean and this song is that it speaks to, for and about a group of people numbering in the millions who feel unheard, unrepresented, and powerless. I love the song and hope he writes more. Im curious about others and what drives them and their feelings. I have no issue with hearing from an unrepresented peoples. In fact I prefer it. Why was this guys song and Jason’s song at number 1? Theres no shortage of pop stars right now, yet both were, if only briefly at the top of it all these last few weeks. I’ve never been down with the whole looking down your nose at the podunk losers schtick that seems to be driving the opposition to this. Trigger didn’t; talk about the most interesting aspect of it, which is not who is driving the popularity of it, but rather who is driving the opposition to it, and what their own motivation is. It’s a country song, why is it a culture war talking point now, beloved by conservatives and hated by liberals? Thats the more important aspect of it.
Di Harris
August 12, 2023 @ 8:20 pm
@seehowfaryoumakeit,
“and “…the obese milking welfare. If you’re 5’3”, and 300 lbs. taxes ought not pay for your bags of fudge rounds.”
Had no idea what a fudge round is.
Sine last night, have thought off & on about this.
Is it one of those marshmallow type cookies, a Moon Pie, a Keebler Fudge Stripe?
Now i know.
Love learning new things.
Even obscure stuff like this
BDE
August 11, 2023 @ 4:32 pm
Sadly I knew this comment section would be full of rich white leftists trashing this song because its critical of their god, the almighty government. Stupid rednecks are only worth listening to when they sing about how awful their miserable starbucks deprived lives are. Heaven forbid they criticize the welfare state or Bill Clinton’s flights to Epstein Island.
BKP
August 11, 2023 @ 7:22 pm
Neither rich or leftist here. I won’t be replaying the song is boring and unoriginal.
Proofreeder
August 11, 2023 @ 5:02 pm
“If Jason Aldean’s “Try That In A Small Town” is any indication, it will take about two months for the mainstream media to catch up to “Rich Men North of Richmond,” and claim it’s full of dog whistles. Oliver Anthony can only hope. Because if you think this song’s going viral now, wait until the press declares it verboten.”
Reminds me of a recent article from The Onion: “Man Who Said N-Word Standing Near Guitar Reaches Top Of Country Billboard Charts”
murf
August 16, 2023 @ 11:43 pm
god i love the onion.
Jake Cutter
August 11, 2023 @ 5:11 pm
That YouTube account is great. I remember you linked that Logan Halstead video.
The song is good, the performance is good, and the lyrics are clever, but for sure it’s the message that will propel it to the next level. Even though Morgan Wallen has been huge, Aldean is having a moment, (and though I agree, we can’t lump them all together) it still feels like they are all the underdogs. Underdogs against what you ask? No point in going into that or arguing over it…you either get it or you don’t.
BKP
August 11, 2023 @ 7:19 pm
It’s a pretty generic White-guy-from-the-country-complains song. We’ve heard this song a million times, just this one is done in the style of the moment and a style a lot of us really like.
Disposable songs that blow up because of their style is a clear sign the style is approaching its Wyle E Coyote moment.
celtobilly
August 11, 2023 @ 8:42 pm
https://youtu.be/ZWN-gDpH0Go
Recorded in 1929 by Blind Alfred Reed.
Telling, how these sentiments recur over time.
CountryKnight
August 12, 2023 @ 6:18 am
Why are you surprised?
“There is nothing new under the sun.”
-Ecclesiastes
Tap
August 14, 2023 @ 10:26 am
One of my favorite lines of all time in the song: skinning a flea for its hide.
ToddzOlsen
August 11, 2023 @ 10:02 pm
Trig I love you man but I’m not sure how you who does this for a living can be so tone deaf as to say this young feller sounds like Tyler Childers or is some Tyler Childer clone rip off whatever. As if this whole region of singers who have been singing these same style songs for hundreds of years was invented by Tyler Childers on red barn radio. How many different ways can a young man with only an acoustic guitar, microphone, cell phone and a desire to sing country songs can sound? Because some sort of strange thing happens once they have more than just an acoustic guitar they all of sudden don’t all sound the same anymore. Here’s a clue they never sounded the same in the first place but if you think Drayton Farley’s new record sounds anything like Childers or Logan Halsteads album sounds anything like Childers or any other of these folks you’re try to reduce them I think you just aren’t listening close enough or you’re just trying to write this off as some trend making it’s way into country music like an invasive species of fish in a river. But what’s really happening is a style of country music that’s been popular in this part of the world for hundreds of years is finally getting its due recognition. because it’s good. And you have supported it a lot but it’s not cool the way you just try and lump all these fellers together because there’s only so many ways you can sing country music when all you’ve got is an acoustic guitar. Listen to that Blaine Bailey record “Lost City”. Native American kid from Oklahoma with an acoustic guitar. Is he ripping off Appalachia too or do you have to mention coal to do that?!
You seem to have no problem elevating every single red dirt country act that sings the same songs as every red dirt country act about the same nonsense over and over. Oil fields! Women! Flatland! Heat! Beer!!!! But guess what that’s country music and that’s what we came here for. The worst most grossest example being the Panhandlers who make the most unoriginal derivative novelty boring music I’ve ever heard. Do you think if folks from another parts of the country getting popular making country music that it’s going to take something away from all the other folks playing music who you think deserve popularity that all sounds the same in other parts of the country. Best parts about this is this feller doesn’t sound like Tyler Childers, neither does Cole Cheney, Logan Halstead, or anyone else you can think of.
This is you being those people in the comments section when you first broke Deann to the world just calling Zach Bryan a Tyler Childers rip off. I respect you a lot and you can do better sir.
Trigger
August 11, 2023 @ 10:40 pm
Todd,
I appreciate your feedback, but I’m a little befuddled where you got the notion that I called this guy a Tyler Childers clone or rip off. I said no such thing, though Childers clearly opened a lane for these earnest songwriters from the greater Kentucky/Virginia/West Virginia region. That was most definitely how Logan Halstead came up, and through a viral acoustic video. Drayton Farley came up through acoustic viral videos. So did Zach Bryan. And so has Oliver Anthony. Of course they are all different and bring different things to the the table. That goes without saying.
“You seem to have no problem elevating every single red dirt country act that sings the same songs as every red dirt country act about the same nonsense over and over. Oil fields! Women! Flatland! Heat! Beer!!!! But guess what that’s country music and that’s what we came here for. The worst most grossest example being the Panhandlers who make the most unoriginal derivative novelty boring music I’ve ever heard.”
I’m sorry man, but I have no clue what you’re talking about. I’ve criticized some elements of Red Dirt for this very thing, and didn’t even review the last Panhandlers album. “West Texas in My Eye” is pretty badass though.
Nobody needs me to tell them how super freaking awesome Oliver Anthony and this song is, though I did for multiple paragraphs here. It’s literally the biggest song in the entire world at the moment, and that is going to have implications on this music that I’m not sure any of us are able to quantify at the moment. But I made an attempt to place this song in this moment in time, because I think these are very important topics to discuss, and important moments were living in when it comes to this music.
I don’t know if your assessment of this article is based off of someone’s characterization of it on social media, or just the fact that everyone tries to slot every article into the “super positive” or “scathing rebuke” category, because corporate media has trained everyone to think along that binary. And since this wasn’t just a fluff piece on how awesome the song is, it must be a rebuke.
I think the song, video, and performance were excellent. But in a world where CHAT GPT can say that instantaneously and better than I can, I tried to add some context and nuance to the discussion. I’ve received a lot of compliments on this article. Then I’ve received some weird comments like this that seem to totally misread it. I want the music from Appalachia to flourish. I don’t want it to become a fad. I believe this is a very real concern, and I even more concerned about that now than when I wrote this article.
Great Caesars Ghost
August 11, 2023 @ 10:18 pm
Parts of this guy’s song kind of came across like an SNL skit, of SNL parodied the Appalachia songwriter craze.
Guy is like a Tyler Childers without the poetry and kinda geared to appeal to the Aaron Lewis fans.
Scott S.
August 12, 2023 @ 6:22 am
Acoustic performers attempting to be the next Zach/Tyler is begging to be almost as boring and annoying as the political debates zealots attach to anything and everything these days. This guys song is ok, and his message appears to be something he is feeling in his current state of living. But, as with most of these new artists, I think I’ll wait and see what a full album/ full band performance sounds like. As some of these artists mature their output has been disappointing. Still can’t believe Morgan Wade has turned out to be more like Kelsea Ballerini than Kelsey Waldon.
Rich
August 12, 2023 @ 10:17 am
I agree with all of this. The people that I know that are freaking out about this song and sending it to me are the same people that ask me to turn off a Steeldrivers song and play some Morgan Wallen. But now they think they’ve connected with “my kind of music.” Rolling Stone published their requisite hit piece on it already. And yes, Morgan Wade is breaking my heart one single at a time.
Scott S.
August 12, 2023 @ 10:32 am
I found this guy in a similar way about a week ago, only someone on Instagram posting it. There was no political comment attached to it. I watched a few minutes and thought he’s ok, and I’ll keep an eye on him to see if he develops. A few days later and this video and everyone’s political reaction to it seems to be all anyone is talking about.
Almost feel sorry for the guy. He may go from breakout to canceled in a matter of weeks.
Julia Moretti
August 12, 2023 @ 6:47 am
Here is the main component of Appalachian Music. ITS REAL. The people that come from there live their lives in the mountains in the communities that are some of the poorest in the United States. You can’t copy it. Because ITS REAL.. Is there a trend right now in Country Music for Appalachian Artists. I hope so. But I don’t listen to Commercial Country. Here is my opinion. Anthony Oliver is pretty good. Will he be an overnite success I think he is that. Will he have the staying power. Only time and his talent will tell. I love Tyler Childers and the music he creates. My husband Loves Sturgill and the music he creates. Appalachian music will always be a thread in this country because ITS REAL… Let me throw another appalachian artist your way that I had the pleasure of seeing S. G. Goodman. Kentucky girl singing her truth. Record Executives don’t control it all if you need an example “Cody Jinks” . There is a bunch of people like me that like good music. Music that makes you think and feel. WHY BECAUSE ITS REAL..
Sub note Zach Bryan is meh. They are promoting the hell out of him and he is doing well. None of my taxed dollars will be going his way. As always thanks for the stories.
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Tracy
August 12, 2023 @ 7:54 am
I’ve been seeing this song all over social media and finally just listened to it. I actually laughed out loud at the Fudge Rounds line. I totally get it, as I grew up in Appalachia & still live here. I grew up on a farm where my mom and dad both had to work outside the farm to support us. Then Dad would come home and do the farm chores. My parents worked hard and we were never on welfare. We were in no way dirt poor but we were not the “jet set” as George and Tammy put it. I understand why it’s upsetting to see 300 lb people whipping out that SNAP card (or whatever it’s called) to buy Little Debbie’s and Pepsi. I saw it growing up, I still see it. It makes people resentful that they are working hard, and possibly cannot afford snack foods, and there’s someone in line in front of you using your tax $$$ to buy that stuff. BUT it’s the underlying cause of why they have the SNAP card, and why they are stuck in this vicious cycle, that truly deserves our ire. This song definitely touches on that and I can see why it resonates. People are fed up, but how fed up? How do we change this? That’s a topic for another blog, I suppose.
Strait
August 13, 2023 @ 5:27 pm
They even stopped calling it Food Stamps as if that is offensive.
Strait
August 12, 2023 @ 9:46 am
I agree that sounding like Tyler Childers is a huge fad now. But idk anyone who got big and stayed big by trying to directly copy someone else.
Conservatives are quick to glom onto songs like this because most openly “right wing” songs suck. Its basically just bad rock song from country artist or some awful rapper repeating “Let’s go Brandon” 50 times in the same song.
claiborne
August 12, 2023 @ 10:32 am
Titles can’t be copyrighted, so, please go to town with this if you feel like it!
Rivers of Money Flow Fast in Man-Made Canyons
Lunchbox
August 12, 2023 @ 11:38 am
“And now, for the love of all things holy, please God, stop emailing me en masse about it.”
lol
murf
August 16, 2023 @ 11:49 pm
yeah, i thought that was funny. how’s that workin’ out for ya, trig?
RJ
August 12, 2023 @ 12:21 pm
All of these comments and there was nearly nothing about how the tune sounded, what he did with the melody, picking styles, where an arrangement could go with it in a studio, etc.
It seems like most of these folks just read the lyrics somewhere and came to make their political points. Gross!
I thought the song displays a rare level of intelligence, heart, phrasing, and emotion. It is the full package. Can he put an album together and then curate arrangements that make it truly last? I would love to see it because we do not have enough albums that completely smash on all levels right now!
Ed Morgan
August 12, 2023 @ 1:16 pm
I agree with you, but I thought the Gretsch he’s playing sounded fairly insipid despite his technique.
RJ
August 13, 2023 @ 4:01 am
I never sure if I like that sound or not. His voice booms so much that perhaps a big guitar would be too much. I have tried out many of those and never found one that had the oomph I wanted.
I love it with Roger Alan Wade’s voice and sound. Sweet Wine of Sorrow works perfectly.
Ed Morgan
August 13, 2023 @ 7:08 am
Resonators are always twangy, but that one is particularly thin sounding imo. He’ll be buying himself a better one now this has blown up, I imagine. I’m lusting after a Mule resonator atm but they’re not cheap.
Casual
August 12, 2023 @ 1:48 pm
as someone who doesnt love country music, id just like to emphasize what drew me in is the strong vocal delivery. i suspect the same goes for a lot of other casuals. I checked out Angela Autumn and Leroy Virgil and no, they dont deserve the same recognition that Oliver gets bc Oliver is a better singer than they are. Oliver’s voice is magic. so i dont totally agree with this article but i really love how it’s presented. youre a good journalist.
Tommy
August 12, 2023 @ 4:34 pm
Love this, especially the verse about the people who leech off the welfare system. Hopefully this goes viral in my hometown.
Strait
August 13, 2023 @ 5:38 pm
When I lived in rural Indiana it was so damn common to have people come into my work asking for an application and ask about the pay only to hear “nah I’ll stay on welfare because it pays more.” I don’t buy this argument that there are all these people runnin’ around hungry. The skinny people are usually upper middle class, or meth heads.
Tommy
August 13, 2023 @ 8:23 pm
I know people right down the road from me who know that if they keep pumping out kids, they can get a few more of my tax dollars. I call them Kentucky Artists; they draw for a living.
KC
August 12, 2023 @ 4:55 pm
I think you’re spot on with the Seattle grunge comparison or the string band craze. When the big labels see the money being spent on a specific genre, it’s their job to sign and promote the closest thing they can find.
I think the biggest issue is when the music itself starts becoming a carbon copy of what has proven to sell. Drayton Farley’s a great musician and talented writer, but you could tell me that his “A Hard Up Life” album was early Tyler Childers & The Food Stamps or that “Twenty on High” was Isbell and I would have believed you.
What I like about the Red Dirt and Appalachian music scenes is that there is interesting variation. Turnpike sounds different than Isbell, sounds different than Sturgill, sounds different than Childers, and until recently most of the undercards had their own unique sound too.
I’m more scared of labels identifying the “formula” and just reproducing it en masse. You have to look no further than the truck songs to see how quickly something interesting gets reduced down to trash.
Big Red
August 12, 2023 @ 8:04 pm
Regardless of anything else, I heard about it here first… about 36 hours (for me) before it blew up all over the internet.
Which is just another reason why SCM is the best country music website out there.
Paper Rosie
August 12, 2023 @ 8:15 pm
Looking into his other songs – I like ‘Doggonit’ too. Many a music row writer this week wishing they had the idea for that hook. (Well, correction – make that next month when they discover this guy exists.) I really liked this article. I also love that this song goes viral around the same time Wallen shaves his head and every music outlet feels the need to post this “breaking news” that everyone and their grandma should know happened. (Somehow the mullet was better than a shaved head – who knew?)
I started releasing music last year and recently heard a quote from Rick Rubin that really resonated: “The goal of art isn’t to attain perfection. The goal is to share who we are and how we see the world. Artists allow us to see what we are unable to see, but somehow already know. It may be a view of the world singularly different from our own, or one so close it seems miraculous, as if the artist is looking through our own eyes. In either case, the artist’s perception reminds us of who we are and who we can be.”
Jon Jon
August 13, 2023 @ 1:28 am
Interesting comments. Leaving all technicalities behind and knowing nothing about him, I thought it was all just meh. Voice is familiar sounding not unique, his playing was mediocre, and his lyrics sound like a crybaby, even though I agree with most of what he was crying about.
MS
August 13, 2023 @ 2:00 am
This guy smells of an Industry Plant
I’ve followed this music for years and I’ve never seen an artist go this viral so fast, and it has more to do with political idiots promoting him rather than music
Was he created in some corporate office after some conservative got butthurt about Tyler Childers pro gay song? Basically they where like “let’s create a conservative knockoff of Tyler Childers, and let’s pretend he is from a working class background!” The lyrics feels AI generated
I guarantee this guy’s success is a neocon corporate backed fad rather than a grassroots success that Childers has gotten over time
Trigger
August 13, 2023 @ 7:27 am
I have seen these “industry plant” theories, and so far am seeing no evidence this is the case. That said, it is the job of the media to ask rigorous questions, and I am asking those questions. But your second observation dispels your first. It is empirically and verifiably true that it was right wing influencers such as Matt Walsh, Marjory Taylor Greene, etc. were the ones that pushed this to the stratosphere. The song was already going somewhat viral under its own volition, like we’ve seen from videos from Logan Halstead and others from this region. But they were the ones that made it explode. Are they working with the industry somehow? I just don’t see that. It just became cool on conservative Twitter in the post Jason Aldean attempted cancellation environment, which seeded the appeal for this song.
Seehowfaryoumakeitdowntheroad
August 13, 2023 @ 2:03 pm
But why is that a bad thing? Was Tyler Childers video promoted and promulgated by leftist twitter accounts? Why is it bad if it’s the reverse and its conservatives doing it? At least with Jason Aldean and Oliver, the audience promoting it already listen to country music. Matt and Marjorie are country fans. The leftist press around Tyler Childers was that he was one of the few artists worth listening to because he’s woke. Did the woke press promoting the video suggest they even have a working knowledge of the genre in the slightest or that they want to save country music at all? Further, as I said above, the question you didnt answer in the article is the more interesting one. It’s less interesting who’s promoting it, it’s way more interesting who is the force trying to stop or impede or lessen Oliver’s impact and reach. Aren’t you at all curious about that?
Trigger
August 13, 2023 @ 2:09 pm
I didn’t say it was a bad thing. As I said in the article:
“But it is also fair to point out that a significant portion of the virility of this song is due to it getting pushed very specifically through political channels. This truth isn’t pointed out necessarily to say it’s problematic. It’s just a large part of why this song and this artist is going so crazy at this moment in time while others are going ignored.”
Right now, I don’t know that there is anyone trying to stop it, partly because the mainstream press doesn’t work on the weekends. They’ll catch up on Monday, start posting think pieces with quotes from professors saying how it’s full of dog whistles, and the song will shoot up the charts even more.
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 13, 2023 @ 10:35 am
Or, maybe 55% of the country is sick of the corrupt elite who rule us, and don’t have a voice, so they gave this guy a voice on their behalf.
You’re hung up on the homosexual thing from Childers’ song, because your worldview dictates you be hung up on it. But the reality is that most people on the right, unless they’re Christians like me, don’t care about who people poke. If you take the lines about obese people on welfare and minors on an island out of this song, it could’ve easily been written by a Bernie Sanders supporter.
The one thing Bernie supporters and Trump supporters (I’m neither) have in common, is that they hate the ruling class, or at least they believe they do. Calling this song neocon in any way, is the seat of political ignorance. My guess is Oliver Anthony despises the Obamas and the Bushes equally.
I get it. It frustrates you to realize that there are way more people in the camp opposite your own than you realized. But you’d be more respectable if you just said, “Wow, it sucks that there are this many “right-wingers” in this country.”
Jake Cutter
August 13, 2023 @ 11:16 am
You’re pretty much dead on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmxyMJd7IQ8
I think MS doesn’t want to believe there are that many people out there that have a problem with all the f’d up things he/she is happy to ignore.
Seehowfaryoumakeitdowntheroad
August 13, 2023 @ 1:57 pm
Exactly. Similar to how when Try That In A Small Town came out, people tried to discredit it saying Jason didn’t write it and he isnt from a small town. The industry plant idea is the same thing. The left can’t deal with the fact that country music can sometimes be overtly conservative. The absolute horror.
Tom
August 13, 2023 @ 4:35 am
…can’t help it, but i’m somewhat suspicious when it comes to hollering guys with facial hair, who pretend to know all, presenting themselves and their ideas in the company of dogs. that german fellow, who wanted to make germany great again in the first half of last century kinda spoiled it for me for good.
BDE
August 13, 2023 @ 8:39 am
Best comment of all time. Completely sums up the audience this website reaches.
Trigger
August 13, 2023 @ 10:40 am
Tom is part of the audience this website reaches. You are part of the audience this website reaches. I explained this very thing in the article earlier this week about the comments section.
So this dude from rural Virginia records an acoustic song through an Appalachian YouTube channel, and we’re comparing him to the most vile person that ever walked the planet? That’s a formula to make “Rich Men North of Richmond” into the biggest song of all of 2023.
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 13, 2023 @ 10:55 am
Trig,
BDE is a right-winger. He’s saying that Tom’s “Nazi” comment is indicative of the leftists who inhabit your site, and that it’s the best comment of all time due to its revealing nature.
Why did you delete my post with the video explaining why they call everyone Nazis? Do you have a vested interest in keeping that a secret?
BDE
August 13, 2023 @ 5:45 pm
He just posted a video of him dueting In Color with Jamey Johnson on a beach today. Jamey also has a massive beard. Its just like when Adolf was at the reichstag.
Jake Cutter
August 13, 2023 @ 8:13 pm
Oh man it was there all along.
Doyle Hargraves
August 13, 2023 @ 11:55 am
speaking of ol leroy virgil; does he have anything he’s working on now?
Corncaster
August 13, 2023 @ 12:21 pm
“but Virginia, she’s always singing to me”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZwJmKS8Xac
I like the extra half bar in the chorus and the acerbic +9 he keeps leaning on. I hope this guy keeps writing his a** off and staying true.
GodILoveZachBryan
August 13, 2023 @ 3:26 pm
Trigger,
“I wish politicians would look out for miners, and not just minors on an island somewhere.”
“Well, God, if you’re 5-foot-3 and you’re 300 pounds, taxes ought not to pay for your bag of fudge rounds.”
I want to preface this by saying I’m not trying to argue, but you called this a remarkable song, which, I suppose, implies that you like this tune. It’s hard to tell from your article.That being said, do you not think his blatant comparisons of weight/size of folks to tax is questionable? Do we not think the first lyric is racist? What do miners and minors on islands have in common? What are politicians doing for “minors” on islands? What does that actually freakin’ mean? I understand your job is to be objective, but, man, are we not able to dig deeper at this point?
Trigger
August 13, 2023 @ 4:00 pm
The first line has absolutely nothing to do with race. It has to do with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, and the island in the Bahamas where he brought young underage women who were sexually exploited by men of power from across the world of politics, business, and academia. This is not a conspiracy theory. Jeffrey Epistein’s fuck island existed. This is why he was in jail when he died. Two separate eyewitnesses saw Bill Clinton on that island. Prince Andrew from the UK was photographed with one of the victims. The Bahamas are suing banks over this issue right now. This is what he’s alluding to with that line.
The fudge rounds line is of questionable taste in my opinion. But what people are missing is how it both begins and resolves. He starts by talking how some folks are starving, while others are gorging themselves on the government dime. Then he resolves it by calling these welfare recipients victims of the government themselves because they’re being given no upward mobility. You may disagree with that premise and I respect that. But this is what Anthony is trying to say, and it deserves more context and nuance than some are giving it.
Moses Mendoza
August 13, 2023 @ 4:27 pm
Eh, this nuanced interpretation seems like a big stretch. The problem with this song isn’t his politics so much as the fact that it’s just fully a cable news perspective. I can’t find one verse in there that’s actually a unique representation of an experience or perspective, it’s just tropes. Compare it to a song like Aaron Burdett’s “Fruits of My Labor” that actually realistically inhabits the shoes of someone struggling to get by.
And the view presented re: food assistance programs is factually wrong, access to food benefits actually increases future earnings and educational outcomes. There’s plenty to gripe about re: loss of middle class jobs and the policies that enabled that, but food stamps don’t have a damn thing to do with it.
He is a good singer and there’s some clever turns of phrases in the song.
GodILoveZachBryan
August 13, 2023 @ 4:38 pm
Trigger,
To be clear, you do this find this song remarkable? Am I understanding that correctly?
I appreciate you giving me your opinion on the line. Is this an interpretation or do you have a source to support your claim? Specifically from the songwriter? I’m not disagreeing, I simply think the lyric is vague and shitty, so I’m asking.
I will disagree all day with how weight and height have anything to do with tax/resource/welfare. As always, Trigger, I appreciate your insight, conversation, and topic, I personally want to talk more about what matters and I know that’s tough in this forum, so I do apologize for seeming outrageous, but is this song remarkable?
Trigger
August 13, 2023 @ 8:33 pm
I’m not exactly sure what you mean by “remarkable.” I think it’s a good song overall, though as I said in the article, I understand the reservations people have with certain lines. What I do think is that the song has done a remarkable thing. Yes, right-wing influencers helped push it, but it’s clearly resonating with people.
I do not really have any “sources.” I do have requests out to speak to Oliver Anthony and a lot of the other people involved in this. We’ll see if I get the opportunity to speak to them.
Strait
August 13, 2023 @ 5:35 pm
People who are morbidly obese have a higher percentage of being on disability and needing healthcare.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3198028/
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/about-obesity/why-it-matters.html
Moses Mendoza
August 14, 2023 @ 6:22 am
Researchers comparing the short- and long-term outcomes of individuals in different areas of the country when SNAP (then the Food Stamp Program) expanded nationwide in the 1960s and early 1970s found that mothers who had access to the program during pregnancy gave birth to fewer low-birth-weight babies. Adults with access to food stamps in early childhood had lower risks of obesity and other conditions related to heart disease and diabetes.
Research that followed children for nearly 20 years into early adulthood shows that those who experienced very low food security during childhood had worse self-reported health, greater likelihood of chronic conditions, and more hospitalizations in adulthood.
https://ukcpr.org/sites/ukcpr/files/research-pdfs/DP2019-03.pdf
But by all means lets cut this aid off, and pay for it with more poverty, and expensive chronic health conditions treated in ER’s because some guy with a nice beard wrote a funny line about fatties on welfare eating fudge.
Strait
August 13, 2023 @ 5:36 pm
You have the political acumen of someone who I’d imagine thinks Zach Bryan’s lyrics are profound.
GodILoveZachBryan
August 16, 2023 @ 12:09 pm
Or maybe you don’t understand what irony is, but you’ll get there. Interpretation of lyrics is exactly that, an interpretation. I interpreted the lyrics how I interpreted them, and, quite frankly, still don’t understand how the first lyric is relevant in the given context of the song at all. It’s jarring and awkward, and doesn’t make any sense given the supposed “meaning” of the song, whether the statement itself is true or not. Sorry that went over your head pal, but you’ll get there.
JB
August 13, 2023 @ 4:47 pm
Good grief I’d rather talk about anything other than this culture war crap that is obviously triggered, no pun intended, by the fact that Trump is facing, oh, 70 felony indictments?
Anyone seen the country reunion video where Merle Kilgore tells a funny story seemingly outing Faron Young?
Kimberly
August 13, 2023 @ 6:29 pm
This guy clearly has some raw talent and songwriting chops that hopefully can be developed beyond this cliche ridden, Confederacy dog whistling, song that can’t make up it’s mind who it’s bashing, is it rich people or fellow poor people who are fat? Also he is fat so the fudge rounds line is f’ing ridiculous.
Seehowfaryoumakeitdowntheroad
August 13, 2023 @ 7:04 pm
Its always amusing how the lefts whole MO the last 7 years has been rich people suck, billionaires are evil, lets get rid of capitalism and overthrow this fascist system. Class solidarity. And then when the right actually agrees with them and you have a huge song that literally agrees with that sentiment, the left complains and says it’s racist, or the old dogwhistle nonsense. The left doesnt want to unite. This is essentially the message of Bernie Sanders and AOC, those evil rich people need to be taken down a peg. Yet they complain and do ad hominem attacks. What exactly do the left want? Seems to me they are just bitter and upset two explicitly right wing songs are taking the nation by storm, and they only want music out there that is woke. Sorry hun, half the country agrees with Oliver and Jason Aldean.
King Honky Of Crackershire, a pseudo-intellectual regurgitating alt-right websites and books
August 13, 2023 @ 9:25 pm
I’d be happy to explain why, if you’d like to know. But I probably won’t get away with it here, although I hinted at it in some of my comments above.
Kimberly
August 18, 2023 @ 2:20 pm
I know, half the country is racist. They’ve proven that over and over again since 2016. You are clearly among them just based on your shitty username alone.
Seehowfaryoumakeitdowntheroad
August 18, 2023 @ 3:32 pm
Hey Trigger, might want to take a look at Kimberley and her comment!
HBZ
August 14, 2023 @ 7:40 am
Just reading this comment section points out my biggest issue with this song. It’s politically divisive and it just seems to be aiming for that to me. If there is supposed to be any nuance to the lyrics, he definitely needs to work on his songwriting. I don’t know if he was a plant, but it seems like he has become a plant. If not he needs to take control of his own narrative and stop letting media outlets who don’t know what nuance is spin it for their own.
Bunch
August 14, 2023 @ 8:35 am
His “let me introduce myself from inside my truck” video he posted makes him seem like even more of a plant. Oh, you think we (the people of this nation) need more common sense? What a cool and original story, bro. Thanks for being the 100 millionth dude to reflect deeply and proclaim that what we all need is just more common sense. Such a shame this beautifully simple solution to society’s problems has continued to evade generation after generation, despite men like Oliver letting us know we just to hop back on that common sense train to get things right.
NAB
August 14, 2023 @ 10:30 am
Well, most of the commenters here are clearly more intimately connected to the inner workings of Appalachian, blue-grass, red dirt music so I will just offer my outsider view: this song resonates for a reason and if you don’t pick it apart, line by line, but rather let the emotion and overall sentiment do the talking, you will see why. I really don’t think you can credit its virality to the push by “right wing” influencers, either. Go read the comments on YouTube and then try to just brush them away as too many of you here are trying to do. My goodness, the degree of self-importance and hypercritical BS here is nauseating. I mean, someone is actually calling out the artist for being obese himself?? And others accuse him of being a conspiracy-minded stooge yet turnaround and propose he is some kind of industrial plant? Conspiracy for thee, but not for me, I guess. As for me and my house, we’ll just enjoy the good, honest songs from wherever they come.
Matt
August 14, 2023 @ 10:35 am
The thing with this is he mentions coal and isn’t remotely close to Appalachia or particularly the Appalachian coalfields. I’m from 4 generations of former/current VA miners in the heart of our coalfields. This is another world from his he knows jack about unlike artists like Childers, Billy Strings, etc. He’s from a hour outside of Richmond known for it’s participation in the Brown cases as it shut down all its schools than being forced to ntegrate only opening back up when one of VA’s far too many segregation academies were runnng. Talks about fat folks on welfare like a Trump talking point and hasn’t a clue about those programs started for areas like Appalachia, hell the first food stamp recipients were laid off miners and their families while those same coal bosses the right is now and has always been in bed with exploiting my community and their boots stomping out the unions/UMWA who literally died for the rights the working class enjoys now. Again, heart could be in the right place but his Richmond self like grossly so many in actual Appalachia have fallen hook line and sinker for region its history, current events, and the worst political liars the area has seen ever nationally and anywhere since the bloody Harlan days in the past few decades in a dramatic shift to republicans.
EDN
August 14, 2023 @ 10:58 am
After taking a couple of days to digest the song, video, and this article, etc., Oliver’s efforts to express his thoughts in word and song are appreciated, but this whole “viral moment” gives me the feeling of being concocted. I’m not at the point of concluding he is a plant, but it does seem as if forces greater than Oliver are at work. Whether he is totally aware is just one of the questions being asked. As for the song being a “blue collar” or “working man’s” anthem, my how the standards have fallen from Merle Haggard and Johnny Cash.
Jeff
August 16, 2023 @ 7:10 pm
Agree 100%. Workin man blues, this ain’t. Nose to the grindstone, this ain’t. I don’t think the song is good enough to be going off as huge as it is. Feels plant-ish to me.
TNChris
August 14, 2023 @ 11:05 am
This song and artist are getting coverage from many, many different online news and commentary sources.
This song seems to have touched a nerve or 2.
rightmom
August 14, 2023 @ 11:25 am
“and when you give a hillbilly a million dollars, things happen, and they’re not always good”
I’d take my chances on giving a hillbilly a million dollars than continually feeding big government my tax dollars so they can spend us into oblivion on items such as:
The National Institutes of Health spending $2.3 million injecting beagle puppies with cocaine
NIH separately spending $187,500 to verify that kids love their pets.
The Department of Health and Human Services spent $689,222 to study romance between parrots.
The NIH funded a $3 million annual research project to watch hamsters on steroids fight
The US Census Bureau spent $2.5 million on Super Bowl Ads.
Adam S
August 14, 2023 @ 12:58 pm
Why are you complaining about the census of all things? Ensuring proper representation is critical to our democratic system, and those ads likely reached more eyes than any other method.
rightmom
August 15, 2023 @ 10:20 am
Better question is why aren’t you complaining about the other waste?
Adam S
August 15, 2023 @ 10:27 am
I don’t see how that’s a better question at all. I think a foundation of our democracy is incredibly important. I also think scientific research is vital, so without digging into your claims, I tend to be okay with studies.
Kimberly
August 18, 2023 @ 2:22 pm
that’s some abject ignorance there bot-woman
RvaCountryfan
August 14, 2023 @ 1:12 pm
This guy seems like an industry plant to me. Are we supposed to believe he was plucked from obscurity? He probably is already on a label and has industry backing. He is a great musician, yes. But something just seems “off” about the whole thing. Meade Skelton writes a lot better songs and he hasn’t been discovered.
Teddy Ray
August 15, 2023 @ 4:25 pm
I found out about this guy yesterday from the Babylon Bee. That was a red flag, but I listened to the song anyway. I thought the music sounded good, but some of the lyrics made me go, “Wait…” Then I looked him up and saw that John Rich wants to produce his album and he’s supported by Joe Rogan and Matt Walsh. That’s when I backed away like Homer Simpson into the bush.
I just listened to “Virginia” and I liked it better, but I’m still on the fence about this guy. I like the music, though, and I think he has a good voice.
Jimmy
August 16, 2023 @ 6:08 am
Hahaha, I’m one of those who emailed you about this… Thanks for the write-up(s) on it.
murf
August 17, 2023 @ 12:09 am
just my opinion…this song is horrible. if i ever hear it again it will be too soon.
i feel sorry for those poor dogs. what a racket!!
again, just my opinion…
thanks…i guess…
James A. Eberwine
August 18, 2023 @ 7:26 pm
This 90 year old needs the guitar and voice of Oliver Anthony to:
1. Stop school shooter insanity
2. Get physical males out of FAB (Female At Birth) sports, bathrooms, dressing rooms, etc
3. Use Oliver Anthony’s talents to get results, make a whole lot of money for Oliver Anthony.
4. Enjoy saving lives as I saved 495 wounded warriors as a med-evac helicopter pilot the
a subject of four Vietnam history publications.
5. It is great to have been an American for 90 years. I can partially play the piano. Wow.
WC Democrat
August 19, 2023 @ 7:14 pm
Fudge rounds rule. They’re so good. So too are the oatmeal versions. In my socialist paradise, the government would ABSOLUTELY pay for all of our fudge rounds, because one of the principles of that government would be that life is hard and we all deserve fun treats. While we’re on the topic, here are some other things that I hope that ideal government would invest in:
Playgrounds with splash pads!
Free popsicles and water ices at those splash pads!
Movies in the park!
Movies indoors when it is too hot or cold to do movies in the park!
Grants for artists to write books and paint murals and yes, sing country songs next to deer blinds!
Nachos, just generally. But only if the official Department of Nachos really knew what it was doing with cheese distribution. In my socialist paradise there would be no un-cheesed chips!
And no, we wouldn’t means test any of that stuff (not for income and, ugh why do I even need to say this… definitely not for body size!).