On Paul Cauthen Calling Out Charley Crockett

It’s pretty clear at this point that Charley Crockett is going for it, and going for it big time. He’s feeling it now that he’s signed to a major label, and just released a killer record in the Western-flavored and thematic Dollar A Day. And so there no more biting his lip or biding his time. Full throat, he’s out there on social media and in high-profile interviews mixing it up and speaking his mind. We saw this recently when he went after Morgan Wallen and Gavin Adcock.
But the bigger you get, the brighter the spotlight shines, and the greater the scrutiny comes down, especially when you’re scrutinizing others.
Charley Crockett is most certainly one of the biggest rising stars in independent country with a super loyal fan base. He’s threatening to break out into the amphitheater level and is already headlining festivals. Yet there’s always been a certain segment of the independent country population that’s regarded him as inauthentic, if not an outright fraud. Even those who fully embrace Crockett do so understanding there’s somewhat of an act going on, but one that is an authentic extension of Charley’s persona and personal history.
When he sat down for a wide-ranging conversation with Joe Rogan in June, Charley Crockett did a great job addressing some of these authenticity concerns, specifically his time in New York City performing on subway cars with rappers and such. But this was also the first time we saw Crockett getting slightly ahead of his skis. He seemed to unnecessarily discount his original record label Thirty Tigers, and said “Waylon Jennings was always rock and roll. He was never traditional country,” which isn’t exactly true. But these were nit picks of an otherwise excellent interview.
But then Crockett’s propensity to sometimes not choose his words wisely also came up in his rebuke of Gavin Adcock and Bro-Country. Though Crockett was correct to point out the hypocrisy behind calling out Beyoncé for not being “country,” but giving a pass to Bro-Country and Morgan Wallen, he then turned around and praised BigXthaPlug who just put out a pretty terrible album marketed as country that even the hip-hop world isn’t behind. He also seemed to mish mash pop country and Bro-Country.
This garbling of opinions came up again in a recent interview Crockett did with Joseph Hudak of Rolling Stone. In the very first segment from the interview they decided to cut out and feature, Crockett expounds,
“They call the Outlaw movement a subgenre of commercial country. But today, there’s no doubt in my mind that what they’re calling pop country is most certainly a subgenre of Outlaw. Because, you know, I don’t think they stand for anything. You know, I think they stand for Auto-Tune, and songs written by a committee. It’s not to say that you have to write all your own songs. Outlaw was about standing up for your rights against a very rigid music business system in a game where you throw money at a young artist. And if it doesn’t work out, no problem, because there’s 1,000 standing behind you. Well, you know a controversial figure is unlikely to ever rise.”
Everything Charley Crockett says about Outlaw country is true. Everything that Crockett says about pop country is true. Saying “there’s no doubt in my mind that what they’re calling pop country is most certainly a subgenre of Outlaw” makes absolutely positively no sense whatsoever, and is an indefensible statement even by Crockett’s own other assertions. Yet strangely, people were praising this statement, perhaps because it included some truth.
Sure, maybe Charley just misspoke. But then it would be on the interviewer Joseph Hudak to attempt to clarify what Crockett meant. And it seems extremely curious why they would take this particular segment of the interview and lead with it. It all lends to the idea that Charley Crockett has gone from the deep and thoughtful musings he shared with Joe Rogan, to issuing applause lines on social media and in interviews that are starting to get him in hot water, and not just with his mainstream counterparts, or racist country fans.
On Thursday, August 28th, Paul Cauthen published a lengthy rant while lounged in bed on his Instagram Story that started off with this very same clip from the Rolling Stone interview referenced above. FYI, Instagram Stories disappear after 24 hours as opposed to reels and posts that last forever. In the rant, Cauthen basically called out Crockett for being a fraud, embellishing his back story, and also specifically went after Crockett’s claims that he’s related to Davy Crockett.
Here is an extended segment of some of what Paul Cauthen said. (WARNING: LANGUAGE)
Charley boy, Charley boy, oh man. This fairy tale’s getting out of hand. I know that you’re a student of country music and a student of all these fairy tales that you have put out to the public, that’s really, I mean, just straight up bullshit. I mean, I met you in uptown. You were DJing, and it was a whole different vibe going on then. And then from, I don’t know that point to let’s say 2020 or whatever, I guess you busked and lived in New Orleans, in San Benito, and you went over to your uncle or granddad, Davy Crockett’s house, and it’s just all bullshit, bud.
I mean, come on bro. Just play music and stop lying. I’m usually not the commotion stirrer, but I like to end bullshit. I really love to end it, and I want everybody to know that everything that’s been said about the past and you know, all this shit, it’s bullshit. And it’s just lies now. He kicks around, sings beats the shit out of his guitar.
Stop being a pathological liar and thinking that you’re something that you’re not. You’re just a singer that’s ripping off the past, that’s bringing it in like it’s your blood and your shit. Well, you’re not related to Davy Crockett and you’re not fu–ing Bob Wills. So just go play.
I gave you one of my granddad’s songbooks on my back porch in East Texas where I grew up in the house that I grew up in. And this is getting to a point where you’ve gotta just play music and shut up about all the past and all what you’d think about genres and everything. It’s bullshit.And everything that you’ve said about your past is made up. It’s a lie, but that’s okay. You know, people lie, but it’s just bullshit, buddy. And you know it. And I’m not gonna let up because I’ve worked too hard in this business to watch somebody lie to the fans.
Charley, I love your music. I think you’re a great singer and performer. Wish you the best, but lying just doesn’t sit well with me. So just come out there and get on another podcast. Do your little Ted Talk and tell people, ‘Hey, you know, I’ve embellished the truth a little bit just so that I could get another leg up in the business.’ It sounds way better that I came from disparity and hoboing and train robing and shoot ’em up cowboy cap gun shit, but it’s just fairy tales.
Paul Cauthen went on to say that if Charley Crockett was related to Davy Crockett, then Cauthen must be related to NFL running back Emmitt Smith.
For the record, Saving Country Music has pressed the Charley Crockett team to clarify Charley’s relation to Davy Crockett in the past with no answer. Crockett has said previously that it’s something that one of his grandfathers told him that he took to heart. Crockett also seems to have backed off the Davy Crockett claim recently. The name of his record label through Thirty Tigers was “Son of Davy.” Now though his deal with Island Records, it’s called “Lone Star Rider.”
Similar to the time when Paul Cauthen called out Oliver Anthony for attacking artists for using Autotune and backing tracks without naming names (inadvertently implicating Parker McCollum), Paul Cauthen is sort of an imperfect critic here. Cauthen’s music has gone from authentic county to his current cocaine-fueled disco country sound, including machine beats and pseudo rapping.
But as Cauthen says himself, most every musician on stage is doing some version of a put-on, at least to some extent. For Paul Cauthen, he purposely leans into it in a way that might be off-putting to large segments of country fans, but is also so obvious, it’s not something that could be considered as underhanded.
At the same time, Crockett has been open and honest about parts of his past, including his time in New York City and on the subways. That’s what was so important about his Joe Rogan interview. Cauthen is coming in hot with “everything that you’ve said about your past is made up.” There might be things Crockett is making up or embellishing for sure. But other things are verifiable. Frankly, it’s on the press to ask the right questions, and to try and drill down to the truth, and get past the persona an artist presents.
Charley Crockett is not going to be any more significantly injured by Paul Cauthen’s rant than he was when Gavin Adcock clapped back at him. Frankly, it’s probably good press for both performers. But as Crockett’s popularity continues to grow, and he continues to confidently throw out opinions about country music that are sometimes confused and easily refutable, the critics are going to start getting louder, and bigger, as the scrutiny will get deeper and more widespread. Paul Cauthen is right that at this point in Crockett’s career, honesty is the best path forward.
Charley Crockett can say whatever he wants. But it does feel like being more careful and calculated with his words would be in his best interest.
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September 2, 2025 @ 9:30 am
Were we actually supposed to believe the ‘related to Davy’ thing? I always assumed it was just a bit of fun.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:47 am
I mean multiple media outlets including this one ran with the lie that Charley is black.
September 2, 2025 @ 9:32 am
“Charley Crockett can say whatever he wants. But it does feel like being more careful and calculated with his words would be in his best interest.”
And there you have it.
I’m on his side, I think, but just STFU and play.
September 2, 2025 @ 9:43 am
I know a good amount of white people that have been told growing up that they have some Native American somewhere in their family line, which is probably just a lie some relative told at some point and passed on. Probably the same thing with Crockett where if he actually dove deeper he would find out that the legend became fact, and he printed the legend.
September 2, 2025 @ 10:44 am
If you grow up with your grandad telling you something all the time, you going to tend to believe it, esp. if it’s something cool that confers you a sense of pride and identity. It’s not like he did a “23andMe” and a deep genealogical survey, and then came to that conclusion. Maybe he did do some research later and thought, “Yeah, maybe that’s implausible,” and started backing off the claim. Maybe Charley’s grandad thought that because his dad had told him that, and so on through generations. Or maybe there is so distant relation to a time before Davy himself with the Crockett bloodline.
Either way, it’s not something that is going to make me not like music that I’d otherwise like. I do take Cauthen deeper point though of just being honest.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:02 am
Charley stated in an interview with Texas Monthly that his great grandmother was part black and somehow that escalated to Charley being black himself.
Being super generous with the claim and calculating that his great granmother was half black, that’d only make Charley 3.125% black. I’m not using African DNA math though.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:29 am
Vincent Neil Emerson found out he was 1/8 Native American and it became his entire identity.
These people will transform themselves into anything for the next good touring spot.
September 2, 2025 @ 9:48 am
Cowboy Charley reached his peak in country.
It’s over, folks.
Now he will go back to his poor, black roots in hip hop and R&B
He has already set up the tour.
https://thecroonerandthecowboy.com/
September 2, 2025 @ 11:58 am
Actually, Charley is the Cowboy in this act, not the Crooner. So I don’t think he is ‘going back’ at all.
Surprised you got it confused. But both are awesome artists, for sure.
September 2, 2025 @ 9:49 am
I don’t understand where Paul is coming from but a few things I know are true:
Charley grew up in Los Fresnos, TX before moving to Dallas at some point. Me being originally from McAllen, TX and now living in New Orleans, I’ve talked to Charley about growing up in the Rio Grande Valley and Johnny Canales, RIP. The RGV may not be everyone’s flavor of Texas, but it’s very real and a great place to grow up.
Charley absolutely busked in New Orleans way before 2020. We’ve talked about that and several folks I know knew of him during his time here. One of those folks booked his first proper show at a venue here in New Orleans, Hi-Ho Lounge, back in 2019.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:36 am
He left the Valley when he was like 5 and has played there once in an empty arena because he doesn’t know anyone in the Valley.
I’m sure he will start calling people “cuh” in his monologues soon enough though.
September 2, 2025 @ 9:59 am
Unless Davy Crockett fathered a child when he was 5 there is zero percent chance they are related
September 2, 2025 @ 10:04 am
Is it just me or is the independent country music revival of the twenty-teens, the scene Brent Cobb chronicled in his song “When Country Came Back to Town”, fracturing and curdling at this point? A lot of those artists are barely “country” anymore and now it’s all about the culture war and petty social media beefs dominated by blowhards. Feels like we’re going in the wrong direction.
I was already feeling Crockett fatigue starting at least a few years ago but this feels different now. I know fandoms these days are all about picking sides and digging in but I’ll stick with artists who focus on the music rather than the noise.
September 2, 2025 @ 12:53 pm
its not just you. This scene blew up and has turned into a cash cow, and is creating some of the exact bullshit that we all hated about the mainstream country scene because now, the “independent” scene has become the mainstream.
Now you have all the hallmarks of a music trend having its moment: derivative artists who blow up out of nowhere, dumb social media beefs (fueled by other artists looking to get their names in the headlines), and the label-created stars with slop music.
There’s still so much good stuff, maybe more than ever, but there’s also so much bad stuff that comes with the explosion of the independent country scene into the mainstream.
jeremy pinnell rips, just saw him at sagebrush on friday, shit rocked, he rips
September 2, 2025 @ 10:33 am
Cauthen can’t even get his facts right in this rant. So why should we give a shit about what he says? I saw Crockett do a show in Macon, Georgia, in 2017. Was a free show because a hurricane was blowing through town. But it was the Crockett show we all know and love. So Crockett was certainly not busking until “2020 or whatever.”
Cauthen should STFU and go back to trying to make good music again.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:20 am
Paul is right about Charley needing to stfu
September 2, 2025 @ 11:35 am
“Saying “there’s no doubt in my mind that what they’re calling pop country is most certainly a subgenre of Outlaw” makes absolutely positively no sense whatsoever, and is an indefensible statement even by Crockett’s own other assertions.”
His wording was awkward and definitely kind of nonsensical but what I think he was getting at is outlaw country and other traditional forms of country should be seen as the main country genre, with pop country as a subgenre, which is kind of the opposite for how the media and mainstream public treats country currently (ie the “I listen to everything but country” crowd). I think that’s valid and is why, while I think it’s good there’s a traditional country category now, it still feels like ceding ground to the pop country sensibilities, and we’d be better off if outlaw and other country sounds were considered the base country genre.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:42 am
I absolutely hate that I’m agreeing with both Adcock and Paul Cauthen lol. Charley Crockett’s shtick has annoyed me for years. It reeks of inauthenticity. That being said, I like that he’s making real country music and that he’s an alternative to whatever garbage Nashville is pumping out, even if his whole fake persona isn’t for me.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:46 am
I am violating the Midland-Diagonal Principal (a system of measurment where if an artist is over a certain line they cannot be criticized for fabrications in their backstory) by saying this but I don’t believe that Charley’s backstory is any more real than his “Cowboy persona”. Considering his grandfather was wealthy and how improbable it is to burst onto the music scene as a busker with such a limited vocal range – I have a hard time believing his backstory. I believe it’s much more likely that he is a charismatic rich kid who truly loves classic Country.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:57 am
Hmmm, I wonder what it is about Charley Crockett that makes some people in the country music scene a little bit uncomfortable, so much so that they need to take potshots at everything he says in a public forum? I really can’t think of any reason why he should be held to such a standard that other entertainers in Southern show biz don’t have to answer to. Really, what could it be? In this day and age, I can’t think of a single thing.
September 2, 2025 @ 3:35 pm
Yeah, I, too, am completely baffled.
September 2, 2025 @ 12:06 pm
1st of all, I think Paul Cauthen has totally leaned in to his tongue on cheek as I think Wheeler walker has….it’s like David Allan Coe back in the day, a personal, without the actual writing of DAC which is undeniable. Charlie Crockett, is just the same thing in a different taste or version, that’s why I don’t care for him or Zach Bryan. It all sounds the same to me. If other people want to like it, great for them, hell, I turn on some metal or southern rock that not everybody is in to. Just quit saying your something your not and then bashing other people. Let people like who they want and play what you want.
September 2, 2025 @ 12:14 pm
I simply listen to people’s music and don’t care about the other stuff, because we really don’t know what any of these people are like. I will say that Charley allowed himself to be questioned when he tiook shots at certain parts of country, but followed it up with completely terrible takes on Beyoncé and BigXthaPlug. Made it seem personal and not genuine.
September 2, 2025 @ 1:15 pm
What the heck?
1. He criticized some of the worst “country” out there and that was him in discussions.
2. Paul Cauthen was one of my favorite artists and now it is so far from cool country that it makes me so sad every time I think of it.
3. He gave an opinion. We all have opinions.
4. He has been frank with his “persona” and his past. I primarily listened to doom metal growing up. Does that make it so I would never be “real” playing country or wearing boots?
I get it folks. Some of you don’t think he is real enough. That said, this is a lot of vitriol coming his way.
September 2, 2025 @ 1:53 pm
I think my new rule is that if the thread here has more than 20 comments, I am not reading the comments. 😉
September 2, 2025 @ 2:29 pm
Has anyone out there considered that perhaps what these guys are alluding to with Charley Crockett is not that he isn’t an outlaw or that his act as a cowboy isn’t real but perhaps his whole story of who he is is not real. More specifically, are we about to find out that Charley Crockett is the Rachel Dolezal or Shaun King of independent country music? Perhaps he backed off the Davy Crockett story line because it exposes this?
September 2, 2025 @ 2:59 pm
Met Charley several times in the early years. Always super nice, personable. I mentioned I was from Vermont and he told me he played between scheduled acts at a local BTV bar for tips living on the street. He’s been a hustler from early on and has that, I was homeless for years, experience that IS real. John Wayne was a cowboy actor. IMHO, CC can’t be pigeonholed into any genre. He made magic from nothing. And don’t be negative. It’s wasted energy.
September 2, 2025 @ 3:35 pm
I think the important thing here is to look at who is vouching for who. Benjamin Tod is fully behind Charlie, which IMO puts his street credit well above the Paul Cauthen’s of the world who think smoking cigarettes snorting coke and eating an apple cures cancer. If BT says CC is legit, he’s legit. Paul is the mildly special ed guy from HS that you watched do dumb shit for laughs at parties but generally avoided back at school. And btw, PISS ON BRO COUNTRY
September 2, 2025 @ 3:35 pm
Mm, yeah. I said it elsewhere and will say it here:
Anyone who issues ”electrophunk remixes” of their songs has less than zero business calling any artist out on anything.
Especially when the original versions of the songs weren’t anything to write home about.