So Now Alt-Country and Americana Are Part of the Alt-Right?
For many years, the greatest foes that Saving Country Music was charged with vanquishing were pop country artists.
These days, as country music continues to improve in the mainstream, and we’re seeing incredible support for independent country music like never before, one of the biggest issues emerging in country music is not bad artists making bad music. It is journalists and columnists of all people, some of which exist within the country music fold in one capacity or another, and other entertainment journalists that only know country music from the outside looking in who are using the forum of country music to forward political agendas aimed at what they see as a great bastion of racists, sexists, and red state Trump voters.
What was country music during the George W era? It was Toby Keith’s “The Angry American” played over and over again for eight years. Well, six years, until Taylor Swift came along. At least that’s how it was perceived by many outside of country music. And as we enter the era of Trump, once again blanket assumptions about the bigotry of country listeners will make the genre a political punching bag that will cause collateral damage to many of country music’s politically agnostic and progressives as politically-motivated hit pieces in the press portray country music with a broad stroke of vitriolic judgementalism.
It would seem like a strange problem to have in country music—journalists. But as the ranks of professional country journalists get pilfered by both the evaporation of support for print media and recruitment of journalistic talent into the publicity side of the industry, we’re to the point now where finding credible, knowledgeable, experienced, and thought-provoking voices within country music’s press corps is becoming difficult to impossible. Instead, pop journalists and young progressives are veering onto the beat more and more, and are bringing their biases towards their favorite pop artists and their poor knowledge of country music’s complexities with them.
This is what we saw in the aftermath of Beyoncé’s performance at the CMA’s in November, and now with the continued fight to label her song “Daddy Lessons” as country, including the characterization that the pop diva was snubbed by the Gammy Awards in its country categories. Forget that even if “Daddy Lessons” was universally-recognized as a country song, it is still competing with thousands of other songs released in the genre during the eligibility period to be considered the “best.”
But of course, pop media just won’t let it go. Yet another article in Billboard recently attempts to argue the historical context for Beyoncé’s inclusion in the Grammy’s country categories, pointing out that The Pointer Sisters once won a country Grammy, and how Ray Charles had an era in the format. This is what Millenial journalists love to do—compile skin deep knowledge on a certain subject, and then with an air of superiority, speak down to the audience about how ignorant they are on the subject, especially when it comes to country music.
Billboard‘s Natalie Wiener—who wrote the article about Beyonce’s Grammy gripe—mostly covers pop and hip-hop music, aside from naming Beyoncé’s performance at the CMA’s as the #1 performance of the night, while not even mentioning Eric Church’s performance with Rhiannon Giddens of “Kill A Word” (like the rest of the press corps who ignored the evening’s true moment of love and inclusion). These Grammy do-gooders also ignore that in the country subcategory of Americana, William Bell received a nomination this year for Best Americana Album.
This issue of Beyoncé and the country Grammys has nothing to do with race or inclusion. It has everything to do with Beyoncé fandom and forwarding political agendas by the folks writing these pieces. And it was this line from Natalie Wiener’s article—though otherwise well-researched—that shows she has absolutely no authority to speak on matters pertaining to country music. “There is (some) room to cross over [onto country radio]– as long as you stay true to the orthodoxy of radio-friendly slide guitars and twang,” Wiener asserts, “something Beyoncé’s New Orleans-brassy, boot-stomping anthem definitely didn’t do.”
So wait a second. In 2016, you’re really going to say that the “orthodoxy” of country radio is “slide guitars and twang”? First off, you don’t mean slide guitar. You mean steel guitar. Slide guitar is a signifyer of the blues. Steel guitar is a signifyer of country. And if you think that “twang” is what you need to fit the orthodoxy of today’s country radio, then you have absolutely, certifiably no idea what you’re talking about. Spend half a segment listening to commercial country radio, and see if you hear anything anyone can construe as “twang.”
A similar mistake was made by Betsy Phillips writing for The Washington Post recently. Yes, even major newspapers now feel like they must comment on Beyoncé’s country music “controversy.” Along with saying that if Beyoncé’s not considered country, then the Father of Country Music Jimmie Rodgers must also be excluded (which is ridiculous), Betsy Phillips says,
“Country music has a long history of making boneheaded decisions about who is not country music. After Johnny Cash won his Grammy for Best Country Album in 1998, he and his producer, Rick Rubin, ran an ad in Billboard that featured Cash flipping the bird to the camera. The text read, ‘American Recordings and Johnny Cash would like to acknowledge the Nashville music establishment and country radio for your support.’ That would be the utter lack of support they gave a man they ignored for years, whom they’ve now retconned into a country music legend whom they always loved.”
But nobody ever asserted that Johnny Cash wasn’t country. By awarding him the Grammy for Best Country Album, they were outright verifying where they believed Johnny Cash belonged. It also refutes the entire premise of the Washington Post article. The reason Cash was ignored by country radio has nothing to do with genre. It’s because the format is rife with ageism, and Johnny Cash had been put out to pasture decades before.
But enough about the Beyoncé issue. Lord knows I’ve said enough on it. It is just one of many issues country music is going to have to face in the next four years as we enter the Trump era.
Believe it or not, both Americana and alt-country have now come under fire in the last couple of weeks in the form of politically-motivated and pointy-nosed hit pieces dressed up as progressive punditry, setting an entirely new precedent on how patently clueless the current crop of entertainment and political media is on the true nature of American roots music.
The first offense was perpetrated by Charles Aaron of MTV. In the 35-paragraph attempted dismantling of Americana for being a whitewashed bastion of Lynyrd Skynyrd-listening racists, Aaron also asserts that an African American artist named Adia Victoria should be considered Americana, even though in the same exact article, Adia Victoria swears off the label.
Craig Havighurst of Music City Roots and WMOT wrote a proper and respectful rebuttal to Charles Aaron, explaining to him how his logic is completely skewed, and his understanding of Americana is skin deep at best.
“I was interested that a veteran rock and pop writer—a long-time music editor for SPIN—would spend so much ink on our musical community,” said Craig Havighurst in his rebuttal. “But what might have been an important exploration of Americana and race—a conversation we should always be having—reveals itself on closer scrutiny as poorly reported and unfairly argued.”
The fact that Craig Havighurst is even having to broach this subject is beyond belief. Following Havighurst’s Twitter feed for the past few months, it’s fairly clear that this is a guy whose political compass falls left of center, just like the majority of people in the Americana community who aren’t just committed to diversity in Americana, but are rabidly obsessed with it. But the corrosive mindsets that are looking to draw blood on any institution they perceive as tied to the Trump administration will apparently hold no quarter, even in the face of obvious alliances across political and cultural boundaries.
“Mr. Aaron is enthusiastic about a lot of Americana artists, exhibiting an admirably wide view of the format’s possibilities,” Craig Havighurst continues. “But he defines Americana as a ‘crucial star-making base’ and a ‘mainstream farm team.’ I’ve been working with this community for 15 years and if these were its priorities, rather than building platforms and support for authentic artistry, I’d have drifted away long ago. Americana, as manifested by the artists, bookers, agents, managers, radio and label folks I know (hundreds of them), stands opposed to commodified music and packaging-over-substance, and it’s kind of depressing to have such a prominent article out there asserting otherwise based on cynicism instead of observation and inquiry.”
And as for the subject of race, Havighurst is spot on with his assertion that, “Mr. Aaron blows off easily discernible facts to support the most injurious and false charge in his article.”
Yet believe it or not, Charles Aaron of MTV is not the one responsible for posting the most injurious and stupefying article on the subject of politics and country music in the last couple of weeks. That distinction would fall to Molly Osberg writing for fusion.net in an article entitled, Not just Nazis: Alt-genres have always been ‘safe spaces’ for white people.
That’s right, an article that had a catchy idea for a title and should have been killed in the idea phase actually got written and published in a major American periodical.
“Depending on who you ask, the [alt-country] genre is either a punk-inflected brand of country or a throwback to the genre’s Depression-era origins or something more reminiscent of the Delta Blues,” says the article. “But as the music historian Diane Pecknold notes, as hokey, supposedly ‘effeminate’ country music topped the charts in the ‘90s and hip-hop mainstreamed: ‘Hip urbanites embraced alt-country as a counterculture, looking to older country roots as a way to express their mainstream popular music of all sorts and reconfigure burlesque abjection into a familiar, deeply nostalgic form of white guy cool-supremacy in the process.'”
That’s right folks, we’re now going after alt-country—a subgenre founded by overtly politically-motivated left-leaning artists like Steve Earle, Lucinda Williams, Uncle Tupelo and Wilco, James McMurtry and the Drive-By Truckers, who often sing overtly politically-motivated songs, as a front for the alt-right? This is the most irresponsible article I have ever seen posted in the history of country music. It’s not even worth arguing against since that would be an indirect acknowledgement that the subject is even worth discussing. Trying to tie Nazism to the efforts of Drive-By Truckers and Steve Earle is the height of stupidity.
Certain people are angry that Donald Trump won the election, and they want a bowl of blood. And their idea of how to get it is to stick a knife in the belly of anyone or anything they believe to be opposed to their ideologies in a “total war” stance that is not just finding them inadvertently trampling on their own ideals, but attempting to character assassinate music artists and institutions that are either actively working to stay politically neutral, but in many respects are these do-gooders’ direct allies.
The idea that tribalism is a one way street is a myth that’s shattered by these irresponsible “think pieces,” that along with spreading ridiculous misnomers about country music and its subgenres, only work to divide us even further. Music should be a place apart from political punditry and vitriol, and it has been astounding how careful mainstream country music’s traditionally conservative artists have been at staying on the sidelines of the political fray and respectful of other people’s beliefs through this season, despite the efforts of the media to suck them in by asking repeated questions on Presidential politics, which are inappropriate. Meanwhile the people speaking out in country, alt-country, and Americana are mostly the political left, which is their right to do.
But everyone should understand how music should be a place where we all come together and enjoy something regardless of underlying political ideologies. Not only are the assertions of these politically-motivated journalists and think pieces incorrect and hurtful to the causes they’re attempting to champion, they’re eroding the effectiveness of music as an institution that can bring people together and bridge understanding.
Does country music, and even alt-country and Americana have a diversity problem? Yes, they do. But this is something that is being addressed by both artists and the industry like never before.
Donald J. Trump is going to be the President of the United States for the next four years, and comparing alt-country singers to Nazis, or complaining about Beyoncé not getting a Grammy nomination in country is not going to change that. But what we can all do is use music as a vehicle to diffuse the vitriol, and promote diversity and understanding—but only if it’s not continuously smeared in the press by frankly idiotic and irresponsible assertions by ignorant, do-gooder keyboard warriors.
Leave country, alt-country, and Americana, and music in general out of your political witch hunts.
daniel
December 29, 2016 @ 10:15 am
Love your site / articles but you gotta do something about that god awful logo
Trigger
December 29, 2016 @ 11:00 am
It’s funny you would mention this. I took a segment of this article out because I was afraid it was too self-serving where I broached how Saving Country Music is being perceived in this politically-charged environment. I can see people coming to a site like this, already assuming it’s a bastion of Trump voters and racists simply from its affiliation with country music, and then see the logo with its flying wings and crossed fiddles and think it’s some pseudo-Nazi alt-right stamp and swear off ever coming here again. What these think pieces like the ones highlighted above attempt to do is erode the cultural support for institutions they believe to be giving safe haven to racists and bigots. Saving Country Music has actually seen a stronger than normal loss of social network followers since the election that I believe is tied to this concern. I think there’s a lot of folks that like the music, but are afraid to be affiliated with something like Saving Country Music because some of their friends may assume it’s some sort of alt-right harbor. The reality is of course that I’m accused of being a left-leaning social justice warrior just as much as being an alt-right bigot. That’s because I go out of my way to respect everyone’s political opinions, and am doing my little stupid part to try to diffuse political anger and foster discussion, which to many these days is tantamount to political treason to their ideologies. You must attack the other side and not sit idle, or you’re just as much of the problem as the other side is.
Kent
December 29, 2016 @ 4:46 pm
“…Saving Country Music has actually seen a stronger than normal loss of social network followers since the election…”
I wrote this comment a few our ago and I have been hesitant to post because it is an American affair. But I decided in the end to post this comment anyway.
FAK probably lost half of their fans both American and europeans one, when they posted this on their facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/firstaidkitofficial/photos/a.99982335964.104942.64344580964/10153961316835965/?type=3&theater
And it it started a minor storm, which generated about 400 comments, plus another 200 in response to those comments. But they have blocked some of the comments,( because were of explicit sexual nature).
And they sung three songs on a Swedish cable channel the same night , September 8/9, and their choice of songs: “America”, “This Land Is Your Land” , and a shortened version of “With God On Our Side”, did not exactly help either…
And I think the main reason as to why there were such a strong reaction among FAK’s fans is that they are so associated with Country Music. I mean there are other Swedish pop stars who is singing “pure” pop and is much more popular than FAK who made the same political statements but their fans did not react as strongly as FAK’s fans did. So I do have a feeling that it’s more controversial for Country artist to make political statements compared to other genre’s.
Steve
January 2, 2017 @ 2:07 pm
Sometimes I want to kill you and never come back on this website after reading stuff you write, but then you write something like this and I’m like “oh, no, he’s a good guy.” Thanks for being level headed. We need more of that.
Kevin Smith
December 29, 2016 @ 10:28 am
Media and journalists are gonna be the death of us, I swear. Good music is good music period and most folks can understand that I think. Do any of us really decide on songs, albums or artists by first determining the artists gender, political party and general views? Are we gonna analyze every lyric first with the goal of boycotting an artist at the first word that someone might find troubling? REALLY?? Are we gonna base entertainment choices on how inclusive a genre is or isnt?
It’s called entertainment people! Most of us like music because it speaks to us personally, touches our heart or maybe we just find the melody irresistible or the beat infectious. In any event I’m not gonna go down this insane road. Like music for music sake and quit obsessing about political views. That’s my message to these psychopathic morons writing this dreck.
Mike W.
December 29, 2016 @ 10:38 am
This is what happens when good journalists are tossed aside for young hack journalists who specialize in click bait articles. Lots of good, veteran journalists with integrity have been pushed out to pasture and now journalists like Charles Aaron are left who only seek to drive up page views for their bosses. Journalism died when it became a for-profit ad-driven business where the goal is simply to pump out articles, regardless of their quality.
Trigger
December 29, 2016 @ 11:08 am
In the last five years, many of the legacy journalists in country music and entertainment in general have either been let go to alleviate the budgetary pressures of their salaries when journalists were actually paid a living wage, or have left on their own for the greener pastures of publicity knowing their days are numbered. Replacing them in many instances are freelancers, some of which work off of pay-per-click deals with very little editorial oversight. This political stuff is a big hot button, and everyone is looking for a new angle. I can just see someone sitting in a coffee shop saying to themselves, “Huh, ‘alt-right, and ‘alt-‘ genres. Makes for a buzzy title.’ And then sitting down to actually write a piece based on that completely flawed logic, weaseling around the truth to try to make it all fit. Unfortunately the result of such flawed logic can be much worse than just some ad revenue generated from click bait. The attempt here is to perpetuate negative stereotypes about alt-country and Americana artists and institutions, and if something like this gets out of hand, it could affect their careers.
Toby in AK
December 29, 2016 @ 5:36 pm
It reminds me of what happened to the music industry after the rise of napster.
Greg Green
January 6, 2017 @ 7:22 pm
This is as good an explanation as any, and better than most. Basically a lack of wisdom, experience, and loyalty to standards. Even old journalist Glenn Greenwald has been called alt-right because he didn’t toe someone’s party line. It’s persuasion by intimidation rather than intellect.
Jay V
December 29, 2016 @ 10:43 am
Well said, Trigger. I think alot of these critics Country music collections begin and end with the Dixie Chicks; maybe they have a Johnny Cash best-of. As a fairly liberal country music fan I am used to peoples preconceived notions of the genre and myself, and this is more of the same. So called “music journalists” should know better. If only there was some sort of web that was world wide so that folks could do research. I guess it’s easier to just confirm your audiences biases with lazy reporting. Happy new year, Ya’ll!
cclark
December 29, 2016 @ 10:51 am
I agree that music should be a place where all sides come together to enjoy one thing we can agree on.
On your diversity statement, I don’t believe diversity should be pushed as hard as it is. When are we going to let talent or skill reign over skin color or religious ideals or sexual preference? Does anyone ever say that hip-hop or rap needs to be more diverse? NO! With the ability now for artists to start a kickstarter album or gofundme a new record, very few artists won’t succeed solely on the basis of race. If they are talented and have the drive to succeed, they will.
Trigger
December 29, 2016 @ 11:22 am
I strongly believe that the music any genre, media outlet, radio station, industry, or institution pushes to the forefront should be the best in its estimation, regardless of sex, race, political affiliation, geographical region, or anything else. That said, I also think there is strength in diversity, just like there is in a financial portfolio. That is why I commonly look to Australia, Canada, and Europe for country artists, or make sure that I don’t overlook female artists, or artists of color. The more inclusive we can be, the more strength can be derived from diversity. When you have radio consultants like Keith Hill, who said in 2015 that radio should take female artists off the air, then clearly you have a diversity problem there. It’s not about pushing female artists first, it’s about making sure they have an equal playing field so you can be sure you’re truly putting the best music forward.
I hope that makes sense.
Luke the Drifter
December 29, 2016 @ 10:20 pm
I would argue there is not strength in diversity, but diversity in strength. This might be seen as splitting hairs, but I think it’s an important distinction to make. Diversity, for diversity’s sake, does not necessarily result in the best artists being brought to the forefront. However, when the best artists are brought to the forefront based on the quality of the music only, the forefront is bound to proportionately reflect the diversity of the artists themselves. I think the same is true not just in music, but in all aspects of life.
So if you couldn’t tell, I completely reject the premise that country music has a diversity problem. I think we can all agree that country music, specifically the mainstream, does not put the quality of the music first, or bring the most quality artists to the forefront, and that’s the problem. So why is this? Unfortunately, mainstream country music is a business, and while I don’t work on music row, I can say with complete confidence that if mainstream country music executives and investors thought quality music was the key to making money, country music would not have a ‘diversity problem’. These are smart people, and undoubtedly, they are just doing what their millions of dollars of market research tells them to do in order to have the best chance at financial success, and I support that right – the right to try to make money, and either fail or succeed. If anyone honestly thinks the lack of diversity in country music has anything to do with racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc. I really think you are way off base.
So to recap – We have a perceived diversity problem, which is really just a symptom of a music problem, which is the result of capitalists exercising their right to attempt a profit in any legal way they see fit, which I support and you should too……Keep reading —
Now the silver lining in this ‘money problem’ is we don’t have to agree with mainstream country music’s decisions, and I personally do not. I really wish we would get better quality, and my purchasing habits have reflected that. That is my right, and the beauty of the free market in the United States of America. Believe me, if enough people want better music and are willing to pay for it, mainstream country music will take notice, and we will get better music which will inherently reflect greater diversity. We are seeing it already to an extent as Trigger has pointed out many times. However, until music quality is recognized by the people with the money as the #1 factor that translates into sales, we will always be fighting this battle to some extent.
Trigger, you do great work and I applaud your efforts to make sure no stone is left unturned in the search for great, new music. I have no doubt you are putting the music first, and the diversity of artists you cover reflects that. I just too often hear about race, gender, and demographic ‘problems’ these days and while I am not saying there aren’t some bigots roaming around out there, I hope people don’t get the impression these symptoms are ever the root problem 90% of the time in anything, and certainly not in country music.
RD
December 29, 2016 @ 11:05 am
Just listen to the music (noise) you like. Don’t fall into the “equality” trap of saying that there is a “diversity” problem in some genre of music. People generally choose to associate with others who are culturally/ethnically/religiously, etc. similar. Its human nature and its a good, healthy thing.
Also, stop paying attention to main stream or PC media/news outlets. The best thing you can do is mock them, troll them, ridicule them, embarrass them, etc. and tell all your friends to do the same. Make them feel as small, ridiculous, and marginalized as they actually are.
Nadia Lockheart
December 29, 2016 @ 11:13 am
I want absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump and, having said that, I am appalled by the anti-intellectualism you pointed out in those selected articles.
Osberg’s hit-piece is certainly the most insufferable, but the most laughably pathetic and avoidable example is the confusion between the steel guitar and the slide guitar on Wiener’s part. Really? They couldn’t do a simple Wikipedia check in the least before finalizing editing and clearing the feature for release?
I grew up on a lot of Adult Alternative Radio as well (primarily KBCO in Boulder before it was purchased by what is now iHeartMedia) and regularly listened to etown. So I know all too well from my exposure to these broadcasts that alt-country and Americana have always been ideologically diverse but certainly leaning “left” (for lack of a better word) than traditional country as a whole.
Simply put, their priorities are all out of whack. What really offends me at the moment for instance, in comparison, is seeing Judah and the Lion at #1 on Alternative radio. Much like Sam Hunt, they have rose from obscurity to the top via “On The Verge” payola and relentless “folk hop” publicity (seriously…………………….their album is titled “Folk, Hop & Roll”) and……………………..to add insult to injury…………………..this disaster of an album is produced by Dave Cobb. You know, the Dave Cobb that also produced “Southern Family”, “Southeastern” and “Tin Star”? -__-
Acts like Judah and the Lion are the latest direct result of the monogenre scorching many musical communities like a wildfire. Balderdash like this is what most concerns me right now, and it is infuriating we seem incessantly on the defensive now ever since the election having to explain how much more diverse the entire country/Americana/roots music big tent is than it is made out to be from the eyes of outsiders! =(
seak05
December 29, 2016 @ 11:18 am
(I am separating this into two bc it’s two separate things)
American as country subcategory? Folk lover over here screaming. That is not what Americana is or should be. Americana is and should be it’s own thing, not a space for country artists to go when they don’t think that country fans will buy/accept their work.
Trigger
December 29, 2016 @ 11:27 am
That was one of the points Craig Havighurst was making. Americana should not be perceived as the country music farm system. That said, there are clearly affiliations between the genres of country and Americana that you cannot deny, not just sharing many of the same artists, but through their proximity in Nashville. Chris Stapleton won the Americana Artist of the Year, and the CMA’s Male Vocalist of the Year. I’m sure there’s some that are not happy about that, but the point is clearly country and Americana have ties to each other. And I don’t think that’s a bad thing.
seak05
December 29, 2016 @ 11:47 am
I completely agree with this. I would add that country and pop, country and rock, country and r&b, also have both historic and current ties. Yet we still also strive to identify what is different, and count them as separate. Also I think with the current Americana movement, it is hurting some of the Americana that is not as Nashville/country based, in somewhat the same way that pop has hurt country. I don’t want to see those aspects of America lost, in the same way that I don’t want to see traditional country lost.
seak05
December 29, 2016 @ 11:30 am
I think most of the current think pieces are uninformed about country music in general, and generalizing about all country, or most country listeners is a mistake. And comparing anything music to the Nazis is always a mistake.
That being said, part of the reason (I think) some of these non-country journalists have taken to writing about countries race problem, is because country journalists have by and large ignored it.
1. When the comments under Kane Brown articles invoke race in attacking him/his music/if he is country or not. That’s a problem. His race shouldn’t be a factor, but if you ever read a comments section, it definitely is. When Kane Brown outsells Maren Morris, Jon Pardi, WMM, and can’t get country radio play, but Sam Hunt can, that’s a problem (I’m not saying that Kane is country, but he is certainly no less country than many others currently getting play, so that’s not a good argument for why radio refuse to play him).
2. When, arguably, the most respected producer in Americana/Country today chooses to put out an album that purports to be about the South, Southern Values, Southern life, and includes not a single featured track from an African-American artist. That’s a problem. And then on top of it, the only African-American featured singers (a gospel choir) were not even credited on the track listing. That’s a problem. When no country critic even mentions it as a criticism, and the album is chosen by multiple places as one of the best of the year. That exacerbates, and adds a whole nother level to the problem.
At some point, if country doesn’t want to be seen as racist by the outside of country world, people within country have to start speaking up about the racism that does exist within country.
Senator McCarthy aka Commie slayer
December 29, 2016 @ 12:42 pm
Yep that Dave Cobb is a gen u whine racist. Probably has a white sheet in his closet. Thank the Lord you have exposed him for what he is, a no count bigot!! Now let’s institute a systematic boycott on every album he’s ever touched including Chris Stapleton Traveler. And his no count brother as well, let’s lump them together. Thank you so much Seak for enlightening us all. Please by all means continue the hard work and update us with names as you find more racists. We shall add them to the data base and set about ruining their careers.
Senator McCarthy aka Commie Slayer
December 29, 2016 @ 3:41 pm
Darn Tootin, and another thing: That hateful bigot Cobb did not include one Latino artist either! Why were Raul Malo, Ana Christina and Freddy Fender not included? Hmmm? Wasnt the hateful album allegedly about the civil war era? Well..what about Colonel Santo Benavides who fought in the 33rd Texas Cavalry or how about Colonel Jose Gonzalez who was artillery commander at the battle of Honey Hill? Or confederate spy Lola Sanchez? Or Loretta Velazquez who fought in the battle of Bull Run in disguise as a male soldier?! All were Latinos who lived in the south and fought for the south, don’t their voices matter too? Why is Cobb shamelessly ignoring the Latino voices when he makes records?! Because hes a hater!! Yes our work is cut out for us for sure Seak! So many bigots, so many people marginalized. Yep, the job of a true justice warrior is big and vast and Im here to keep the fight alive!
Mark Grondin
December 29, 2016 @ 12:48 pm
Not denying that there might be passive racism in country music – so much as there is any predominantly white genre, which spans pop, rock, punk, metal, folk, the majority of modern Christian music, etc. – but speaking as one of those critics would would put ‘Southern Family’ in his top 5, let’s dig into this a bit.
Now does it show some wasted potential that there’s no black artists featured on ‘Southern Family’? Yes. Is it a problem that the gospel choir Cobb recruited wasn’t properly credited on the final track? Yes, absolutely. Was any of this done with malice or forethought (which yes, does matter in a case like this)? Frankly, I doubt it – if there was, it should be addressed, but I haven’t seen evidence of that. Would a question of race fit within the themes of ‘Southern Family’? It could, and I’m sure if Cobb got the right artist it could be integrated, but I keep coming back to how the album is a spiritual successor to ‘White Mansions’, an album about the Civil War that didn’t even engage in deeper racial discussions so much as digging into the psyches of its characters during the war and asking questions of what being a Southerner really meant. Like ‘White Mansions’, ‘Southern Family’ is inwardly focused from the perspective of southerners who, yes, are predominantly white artists, but even moreso than that record ‘Southern Family’ is much more concerned with fraying familial ties and death and questions of God, which are topics that more often than not transcend race. Now could the inclusion of a black artist on ‘Southern Family’ add more texture or soul, probably even fit well with the Muscle Shoals sound that colours the entire album? Sure, but music critics aren’t in the business of judging what might have been, and saying that Cobb should have included this additional story reminds me in a weird way of how Pitchfork slammed Jason Isbell for not addressing race on ‘Somewhere More Than Free’, as if that would have remotely fit on that album.
The larger question is this: if country is going to get serious about discussing progressive issues, targeting alt-country which is already leaning in that direction is not the answer and it’s not going to impact the mainstream in a significant way the same as, say, holding Jason Aldean accountable when he thinks it’s okay to get away with blackface, or praising and highlighting when black country artists succeed, or when shrewd songwriters like Alan Jackson slip in that the ‘little man’ was black on arguably one of his best ever songs. It’s analogous to dealing with sexism in country music, which is often more obviously apparent in the music and industry programmers: I’d spend less time targeting the progressives who could do more, and target the regressives in the industry and culture who are doing active damage right now.
seak05
December 29, 2016 @ 2:09 pm
I’m not sure where to start on this. I guess I’ll start by saying that I agree with you, I don’t think it was intentional on Cobb’s part, which is why I’m not calling for any sort of boycott (*eyeroll* – “senator” way to prove yourself incapable of having a mature, nuanced adult discussion). But passive & systemic racism is a massive problem, and to ignore it, isn’t the answer. One would hope that pointing out the problem to Cobb would cause him to learn and grow from it, and make even better music in the future.
(As to the rest, the idea of separating the civil war, meaning of southern, or what is a southern family – even an inward look – from race and AA experience is patently ridiculous and a whitewashing of American history. Due to slavery and Jim Crow, AA do have a different southern & southern family experience, but it is every bit as much southern as the experiences of any other individual or group in the south. If Cobb had included no female voices I would like to think he would have been questioned, the same standard should apply. Jason Aldean was criticized for the “blackface” as damm well he should have been. Alt-country shouldn’t get a pass, just because it’s not as bad., you have to include everyone in the discussion.)
Mark Grondin
December 29, 2016 @ 2:38 pm
I think you’re missing the overall point here (and the blatant sarcasm of the “senator” above) – I don’t deny that passive and systemic racism isn’t an issue, because it very much is. But getting into the artistic context of what Cobb was looking to represent with ‘Southern Family’ is a very different one, and it starts with the open question of universality, whether he was looking to speak for everyone in the South (which I would argue he is not, given the closeness of the framing and storytelling) or instead these specific, detailed family experiences.
Now I can only speculate (as can anyone who is not Dave Cobb or the writers on this project), but from the choice to include so much distinctive unique and intimate detail in many of these songs, Cobb is looking to laser focus on specific moments to highlight these family experiences, specifically to focus on themes of disintegrating families, death, religion, etc – which in these specific cases do not have a racial component, they’re larger, universal themes. Now does the aftermath of Jim Crow and slavery color the south, of course it does, but to the modern white southern family, especially given the intimacy of these pictures and the broadness of the themes, it’s not part of the lyrical focus or scope, even if it should be.
And this is not giving alt-country a pass – though I’m not sure I could call to mind a black artist affiliated with Cobb in the indie scene that he could have drawn upon for another story, I’m sure they exist and it would have been nice to see that added viewpoint – hopefully it would have fit within the album’s context and flow. But again, my larger point is one of priorities: you can create more measurable progressive impact by targeting the mainstream (and keep in mind Trigger was really the only one speaking out consistently on Aldean’s blackface incident) and holding them accountable than cannibalizing the indie alt-country scene which more often than not is on the progressive side. This is something the left consistently doesn’t get on a larger level: if you’re going to purge your own side for ideological purity, you’re going to have less allies for the fight overall, and that fight is the one that drives progress.
seak05
December 29, 2016 @ 3:48 pm
I mean Rhiannon Giddens for one. Maybe he’s worked with zero AA artists, but it’s not that hard to locate one or two talented individuals. Or hard to credit the gospel choir
Trigger
December 29, 2016 @ 2:16 pm
As for Kane Brown:
Both the left and the right have to stop attempting to define each other by the extremes of the respective mindsets. So you’re telling me racist trolls appear under posts of Kane Brown? Someone also told me that water is wet. That’s what trolls do. They show up to rile. You give them credence by acting like they represent anything more than themselves. Yes there are racists among the ranks of country fans, just like there are for every major musical genre.
It’s an assumption that the reason country radio is not playing Kane Brown is because of race. I think it has to do with the fact that he is a completely fabricated viral star that rose to prominence due to very spurious manipulations of metadata numbers, and due to the fact that his music blows. Kane Brown’s singles would have killed in 2013. It’s unfair to blame race on his radio flop, and frankly I don’t trust those album sales numbers.
seak05
December 29, 2016 @ 2:24 pm
Unless you think his team was manipulating itunes, the sales numbers are legit. His album was selling well in pre-release, and all of his promotional singles hit the top 100 all genre chart.
As to the youtube stuff, sorry Trigger, but welcome to 2016 (almost 2017), youtube is the new launching spot for artists, look at Shawn Mendes, Tori Kelly.
Trigger
December 29, 2016 @ 3:07 pm
Kane Brown did not launch via YouTube, he launched via Facebook videos, which even Facebook has now admitted skewed the numbers so they could generate more ad revenue. And yes, you can manipulate iTunes. I have heard first hand accounts of folks showing up to venues and being tasked with downloading a new single before they’re allowed to walk through the door, and free tickets being handed out to those same people so management can declare a sellout.
I don’t trust anything coming out of the Kane Brown camp, and neither does radio. Even then, he’s doing way better than his talent level deserves. I don’t want to hear any sob stories attached to Kane Brown.
seak05
December 29, 2016 @ 5:07 pm
Trigger you introduced me to Rhiannon Giddens and I very much appreciate that. And I appreciate the articles about how poorly artists of a certain age, and women are treated, especially at country radio. But look at the country charts, look at the stage at a country awards show, including the bands, (not including brought in extra performers like Beyonce), what’s it going to take for you to write an article about the potential race problems in country music? Rhiannon getting to sing one solo line shouldn’t be the feel good inclusion moment of the night.
seak05
December 29, 2016 @ 2:32 pm
(sorry not trying to be an ass, but while it’s not traditional youtube isn’t something imaginary either, and his mgmt seems to be booking him into larger venues and at a higher cost than Maren was put into, granted hers were to small, can’t see them doing that if they didn’t think a base existed to support it. Also Sam Hunt was rather popular at radio in 2015 & 2016. I don’t think it’s only race, but yes I think people look at Kane and don’t think country artist, and that’s BS)
seak05
December 29, 2016 @ 2:49 pm
It’s sort of like women on country radio, you can come up with “reasons” why any individual female artist doesn’t break out, or you can admit it might be a larger problem and talk about it. It probably shouldn’t have taken tomatogate to begin talking about the lack of women on country radio, and I’d hope we don’t need the same sort of comment to begin talking about the lack of people of color.
Trigger
December 29, 2016 @ 6:44 pm
Country music has a diversity problem, which I said in the above article, I have said in subsequent comments, and have been saying for years. And maybe if the pop world would stop trying to shove Beyonce down our throats as the great country music savior of color, I could actually spend more time promoting minority artists, which I’ve been doing already. But I’m sure as shit not going to start pushing Kane Brown just because he’s of mixed race. Why? Because I’m racist? No, it’s because his music is awful. Godawful. Terrible. And the way he rose to prominence is suspicious to say the least (https://savingcountrymusic.com/kane-brown-market-manipulations-the-manufacturing-of-an-organic-star/) It’s the same reason I’m not going to start pushing Kelsea Ballerini just because she’s female. Ultimately, if country music wants to succeed, it needs to put its best foot forward. We need to make sure females and minorities are not being unfairly downgraded in that process, but just pushing artists forward because of their race or sex is the perfect way to make country music suck. Kelsea Ballerini and Kane Brown are perfect examples of that.
People need to stop using country music as their political football.
seak05
December 29, 2016 @ 7:06 pm
I suspect if country had a few (any? maybe Darius) visible AA artists you’d have a lot fewer pieces about Beyonce being rejected as country. Also, if country hadn’t spent the last few years nominating Sam Hunt and his ilk. It’s a lot harder for mainstream country to say “Daddy’s Lesson” isn’t country, when “House party” is a huge hit. And it just *looks* bad when the genie is trying to be stuffed back in the bottle with an artist of color in a predominantly white genre.
Speaking of manufactured, hello Kelsea, but aren’t all artists manufactured to some extent?. But I think for me, it’s two separate issues. One) is I want (my definition) of better music. And I’d never argue for you to promote Kane or Kelsea. Two) is equitable treatment, and when you look at an artist like Chris Lane go to #1 with “Fix” (and you could show a bunch of examples) it’s hard to argue that treatment has been equitable, and I think we already know that women aren’t treated equitably.
the pistolero
December 31, 2016 @ 9:35 am
Also, if country hadn’t spent the last few years nominating Sam Hunt and his ilk. It’s a lot harder for mainstream country to say “Daddy’s Lesson” isn’t country, when “House party” is a huge hit.
Which, again, obscures the point that Sam Hunt as a country singer never should have been a thing in the first place.
Rod Johnson
December 29, 2016 @ 4:20 pm
It would be complete bullshit to include a token black artist to make the recordings more politically correct. Why the hell should someone be forced to compromise thier artistic vision because someone does not feel the lineup is ingratiate enough? Where do you stop all touring musicians include a minority in thier ranks to be able to tour? The oversight of not crediting the choir is not good but he souldnt have to compromise.
Collin
December 29, 2016 @ 11:34 am
It seems like music journalism (well, journalism in general) is struggling right now for the same reason a lot of musicians are struggling. The internet came along, opened up a world of free content, and consumers decided to stop buying what they could get for free.
Schooley
December 29, 2016 @ 2:53 pm
If you can follow a musician you like on FB or Twitter and get recommendations directly from them, why would you listen to some writer you’ve never heard of, whose taste you might not even respect?
Being a music nerd I have a lot of friends, many of them musicians themselves, who are very knowledgeable and insightful about music. I trust their opinion when they tell me to check out a record or artist. However, few of them are music writers or reviewers. Not like they would get paid anything for doing it if they chose to, even if they’d be better at it than the people you see being published. So I can’t help but notice that the majority of music critics and record reviewers (I’m not including our host on this blog in this sweeping indictment) don’t really know what they are talking about. It seems to be more about building their personal brand for them, or developing a portfolio as a “hip” writer, than it is about music. The people with the knowledge and insight to do it well have better things to do than write for free.
In fact, I think it is to the point where most pepole smart enough to do it well, are too smart to bother!
Collin
December 30, 2016 @ 8:39 am
“I can’t help but notice that the majority of music critics and record reviewers . . . don’t really know what they are talking about. It seems to be more about building their personal brand for them, or developing a portfolio as a ‘hip’ writer, than it is about music.”
I’d say that’s the symptom more than the problem, though. The writers who would be worth reading are off doing something else because they can’t afford to write about music. Newspapers and major websites cheap out on freelancers instead of hiring staff. And few independent sites can support themselves, much less pay more than one writer well. Even the writers who are on staff are under pressure to drive as much traffic to the site as possible because if you don’t get the necessary clicks, they’ll hire someone else who can.
jody whelan
December 29, 2016 @ 11:41 am
I think this is just a by-product of the genre’s popularity. Once enough people are paying attention to a particular subject, it invariably invites these “think pieces” (or “hot takes”), of wildly varying quality. The internet runs on these “hot takes” – they get shared, debated, vilified etc. The soundness of the opinion is less important than its stridency.
It’s already hard enough for traditional country and Americana artists to get covered in younger leaning outfits like Pitchfork, Sterogum, Noisey, Fader etc. So it would be disastrous if the editors and writers of sites like these start to think of this music as an extension of the alt-right.
But I don’t think the answer is to necessarily rail against writers we disagree with. This will turn people off and harden opinions. I think it’s more effective that we help to elevate those voices who can speak intelligently about the music- just like you did by highlighting Craig’s piece. And there are certainly more writers who tackle issues of race and sex in Americana and country thoughtfully – Ann Powers comes to mind (as does this website).
For instance, a site like this is much better suited to discuss how Sam Hunt and FGL fit in with the history of the white appropriation of black music, then say a website like Slate.
Trigger
December 29, 2016 @ 2:26 pm
Pitchfork, Sterogum, Noisey, and Fader need to hire professional, salaried country music and Americana journalists like they have done to cover every other major Americana genre, or they need to keep their nose out of it. Otherwise you have freelancers who barely know country being assigned to cover the music making shallow observances and presenting it to their young and impressionable audiences as fact. The reason were seeing so many ridiculous country music articles is because these outlets are trying to cover country on a budget. You’re seeing the same thing with the Village Voice properties. It is stupefying to see some of the assertions coming from those periodicals. You need trusted, respected, and experienced voices writing and speaking for respected and well-disseminated media institutions to implement some scene control on how country and roots is being represented in the media. Chet Flippo’s dead, The Tennessean has no music columnist, Rolling Stone Country only seems to want to post things that start with “See, Hear, Listen,” and Taste of Country is in the back pocket of the industry. Right now, it’s a free for all, and that’s allowing these young and inexperienced voices to become the loudest in the room. An article tying alt-country to the alt-right should have died in the womb.
Puffalo Phil
January 1, 2017 @ 1:06 pm
So here’s what I’m thinking… the internet has really fucked everything up pretty badly. Digital journalism is nothing but cheap polemics built around advertising clicks and impressions… Everything is built around increasingly fast and meaningless information. No one likes it at all. That’s an understatement. Everyone fucking hates it. My proof is in the resurgence of vinyl sales. No one wants free digital crap. They want something substantial.
The turnaround is bound to happen with journalism as well. I’m predicting a rebirth of the weekly periodical, print only, and costing $8-10 an issue. The money will go to pay the best writers to write the best stuff, probably longer in form and again… more substantial. This publication will not have an online presence. Their writers won’t be on Twitter, they won’t be sharing bullshit on Facebook, and they probably won’t have their own website.
And people will buy it because EVERYONE is sick and fucking tired of screens and social media.
Schooley
December 29, 2016 @ 12:26 pm
As a leftist country music fan and dj it gets tiresome seeing the genre vilified by people with little knowledge of it. Nothing worse than being condescended to by idiots. I could go on and on but, suffice to say, if country music was a monolithicly racist genre, would songs like this (from 1965!) exist?
https://youtu.be/DUyjOTdxCXU
Kent
December 29, 2016 @ 1:04 pm
Thanks for the link.
Jacob Ware
December 29, 2016 @ 12:32 pm
These so called “journalist” have no attention span, Facebook and Twitter have turned them into sheep. There is no unbiased reporting. They see a couple songs on DBT albums with racially slanted names and immediately fire away. Never taking the time to listen to the music enough to understand it’s true meaning.
Anyone who says SCM is racist or right wing is full of shit or dumb as f*ck. Trigger is a bleeding heart liberal, uh, at heart. He wants to give wellfare and free insurance to musicians, lol.
Really, politics are complete bullshit. There is only one acceptable ideology, liberal with rights, conservative with money. If this isn’t your philosophy them you are just a self serving prick or you just dont understand life.
Andrew
December 29, 2016 @ 12:32 pm
I’m so tired of these people. Let people enjoy their goddamn music, and if a musician claims to not be a racist, lets just take their goddamn word for it.
CountryKnight
December 29, 2016 @ 12:47 pm
What is next? Apple pie and baseball?
Par for course and these types of articles are why the election turned out the way it did. Average folks are tried of their beliefs and interests being labeled racist by smug journalists.
These types of articles just reinforce how great of a writer Trigger is and how rare is his breed.
One poster above commented on the low quality of journalism. Another board that I post on, one poster mentioned in college when a group of students were asked about their major and beliefs, one journalism major stood up proudly said that she was left leaning and she hoped to change and manipulate the readers’ minds. That is chilling.
Nate
December 29, 2016 @ 1:14 pm
Imagine someone thinking Steve Earle was alt-right.
Toby in AK
December 29, 2016 @ 5:49 pm
The memes right themselves.
RD
December 29, 2016 @ 6:37 pm
Stranger things have happened. The Left has to constantly find new dragons to slay and new church’s to burn. Today’s progressive is tomorrow’s bigot. If you fashion yourself a progressive, you have to be perfectly comfortable with any act or idea that humans can conceive, because the train to hell will eventually get there. In the 1960’s, Gore Vidal and Daniel Patrick Moynihan were Progressive icons, but by the 1990’s, they were no longer suitably progressive and were thrown out on their ears. Ditto Ronald Reagan, Charlton Heston, and countless others.
Trainwreck92
December 29, 2016 @ 7:10 pm
Well, that’s the nature of progress. At one point in time, believing that black people shouldn’t be kept as slaves was a progressive idea, now only the most radical of the far-far right would ever openly suggest such a thing. Women’s suffrage was progressive in the early 20th century, while today it’s seen as completely normal. As far left/ progressive as I am today, I’m sure that I hold some views that will be thought of as backwards in 50 years, and I’m okay with that.
RD
December 29, 2016 @ 7:39 pm
Slavery was common in most cultures throughout history. Black has nothing to do with it. Only technology and economic thought eliminated it in the West. Machinery replaced slaves for agricultural purposes and as the industrial revolution kicked into gear, economists determined that it was cheaper to pay starving Irish and eastern European immigrants slave wages than it was to house, feed, and clothe millions of slaves. Eight year old Irish kids are really good at crawling down mineshafts.
Progressives hate the traditional family. There is nothing positive about women’s suffrage. Its just another shot fired against the family, to go along with divorce, the pill, women working outside the home, abortion, etc.
Jared S
December 29, 2016 @ 8:29 pm
I started to write a response to you, but your whole statement is just so shockingly wrong that I don’t know where to start. I feel like it must be sarcastic, but I don’t think it is. Are you a time traveler from 1930?
Trainwreck92
December 29, 2016 @ 9:09 pm
You got me, RD. Nothing gets my goat more than seeing a traditional nuclear family. When we liberals see well behaved children walking down the street with their mother and father, we writhe in anger and scream at the sky. (Note that I didn’t say “scream at the heavens.”. We’re all rabid atheists of course.) And don’t even get me started on straight, white men. They’re a plague upon this country, and I should know; I’m one of them after all. I knew you were a racist, but the sexism is a bit of a surprise. I knew you were a racist and likely homophobe, but even most of the mysoginists I know aren’t against female suffrage. You’ve really outdone yourself this time, RD.
Trigger
December 29, 2016 @ 9:13 pm
Folks, these conversations are completely off topic and do nothing more than represent the readers and commenters of Saving Country Music in a negative context. Please stay on the specific topic broached in the article or I will edit or delete them.
Thank you.
Toby in AK
December 29, 2016 @ 8:31 pm
destruction of the family just happens to reinforce wealth inequality… whether that’s by cruel design or just an afterthought I don’t know…
remember ladies, it’s your husband and brothers who are your real enemy! Hillary Clinton on the other hand is on team women 100%
I didn’t really mean to out myself as a deplorable yet here I am…
RD
December 29, 2016 @ 8:50 pm
Lets say that Steve decided to be honest with himself and admit that it was wrong for a 40 year old guy in a dress to stroke his cock in the ladies room next to a bunch of seven year old girls. That would make him a decent person, but he would be drummed right out of the progressive movement. And the train rolls on. Chugga chugga Choooo Choooo
Benjamin Beard
December 29, 2016 @ 1:51 pm
I will never understand the absolute refusal of people to look at situations without prejudice.
Personally, I admit I have a very small box of what I want my country music to sound like, and I have yet to hear an Americana artist that fits in my personal box. However that does not make their art any less valid, I simply choose not to listen to it. As such I have no right to comment on its political affiliation or racial stance. But country music, at least what I enjoy, is usually sung by right leaning individuals who dress a certain way and sound a certain way and talk about subjects that mean something to my life. The same is true about who I choose to surround myself with in life. My friends, church, etc is directly in line with the same narrow box. I get along with other folks like me, regardless of skin color. I tend to not get along as well with people from different lifestyles, regardless of skin color.
The issue we are facing is that my generation is creating a place where if you don’t like and accept everything about everyone you are hateful. Who are we to judge if Beyonce is country? We don’t know her? Never mind the fact that we have loved this music long enough that we know what makes it special. But since we don’t accept her as a country artist we are hateful, racist bigots.
At the end of the day some things are just facts. I can buy a Harley and a leather vest, but I will not be a biker. I can put on an apron, but I will not be a chef. And Beyonce will not be country. It’s not hate, some things are just what they are.
Toby in AK
December 29, 2016 @ 6:14 pm
When I finally got around to listening to Beyonce’s “country” song, what I heard sounded most to me like a modern spin on ragtime or early jazz. Which to me, fits somewhere in the range of “americana”. Those music styles were definitely an influence on country music but why try to then force it into the genre??? It’s rootsy, no doubt, but that doesn’t make it country… country does not have a monopoly on roots nor does roots have a monopoly on country! Am I being captain obvious by now?
None of that has to do with your post btw you’re just the “lucky guy” I decided to aim this rant at.
NEXT as a member of the “highly educated” white-collar class who grew up in a blue-collar family……. I am REALLY tired of the the phrase “highly educated”. Are there people out there who actually believe a bachelor’s degree signifies that one is “highly educated” and the lack of one means you’re not? If you’re raising your hand, get out of your house and the goddamn bubble you built around yourself because most degree holders are “do the bare minimum” types who’s commitment to self-education ends once they hold that all important diploma in hand. Likewise there are poets, well read individuals and world travelors within the “uneducated” blue-collar class. It’s gotten to the point that I’m sometimes ashamed to be a member of the “front row”.
Speaking of which the obsession on demographics and identity-centered justice has completely jumped the shark. I may just be a clueless white guy but I live in a locale where mixed race is probably the real majority population I would guestimate and most people don’t fit in their little boxes. DC types want to put me in the white box and my kids in the native american box and my cousin in the black box, but we ALL live in red states and roll our eyes at their race obsessed “meta-analysis”.
When Hillary Clinton’s surrogate Lena Dunham posts a video about white people need to die off, I know confidently that it’s not only my white neighbors who are rolling their eyes…
I may be a libertarian but I’d really love to see progressives and conservatives both get their “sh*t” together because they both have some good ideas…
PS (post a-post-alyptic apologies for the CAPS and the misplaced rant)
PSS sorry for the politics but I couldn’t figure out how to respond to this article without making it political
Jim
December 29, 2016 @ 4:20 pm
Every Americana player I know is hard left and hash tagged #ImWithHer at every opportunity. I wish a few more were alt right!
DJ
December 29, 2016 @ 4:54 pm
Geeze, where to start. I’m compelled to be succinct since this is Triggers blog page and probably come across as an ass because I’m pretty forthcoming and being succinct means to cut short elaboration and examples.
I LOVE the way you call out idiots!
Your writing ability is superb, IMNSHO opinion and is one of the reasons I visit here daily, and Country music is VERY fortunate to have you in its corner!
I’m neither left nor right. I’m libertarian and I despise ANYONE (right or left) who paints with a broad brush and believes themselves to be ejumucated and is entitled them to denigrate others. That alone speaks volumes about their so-called education.
We all put our pants on one leg at a time.
As far as music, I like country music. I appreciate talent no matter what genre. I hate rap but I like Kid Rock…. go figure. I respect others opinions UNTIL they force their beliefs on others. I can’t differentiate between sub-genre’s. I know what I like and NO ONE is going to change that.
Americana? I’d never heard of til I started coming here.
I’ve listened to a few of the artist that have been recognized here and outside of Chris Stapleton and Cody Jinks I’m not real impressed. The ones I’ve listened to don’t ‘touch’ me. But, like “American Idol” contestants, I’m glad they’re getting their shot.
To the political bent: I’m like you, Trigger, in this way; I don’t like tootin my own horn.
But, in a recent post you asked why political vitriol has to come into play in music and I responded it’s because politico’s are the pro’s at ensuring we do. It’s what keeps them in power. The left/right paradigm doesn’t exist inside the beltway, but, politico’s and their worshipers (usually journalist and talking heads on TV) keep the paradigm in play to INSURE their futures.
Trigger? Is that in reference to Willie’s guitar? Or Roy Rogers horse? Or the vital component of a gun?
LOL, just curious. I’m sure the journalist who see your name pee their pants because it does bring a gun to mind.
KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK!!!!!
Trigger
December 29, 2016 @ 6:47 pm
Thanks DJ.
“Trigger” is actually short for “The Triggerman,” which I shortened to avoid political vitriol. It also happens to be the name of Roy Rogers’ horse, which Willie named his guitar after.
DJ
December 29, 2016 @ 7:23 pm
Even better! Hope all the panty waists see that and get their panties in a wad….LOL
DJ
December 29, 2016 @ 4:59 pm
Let me throw this in the pile
“The business of journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?”
“We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.”
(Spoken by John Swinton, preeminent New York journalist, at a press banquet in 1880)
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=60766
Erik North
December 29, 2016 @ 5:52 pm
For the record, I would argue that alt-country/Americana is a genre that really has existed for much longer than most folks realize; it only acquired its designation as a response to what the artists who did it in the 1990s thought had happened to the Nashville brand, that it had become way too commercialized and safe in its quest for big bucks (and for a lot of us, it’s worse than that now).
But if you go back to the folk music movement/scare of the 1960s, when a lot of young enterprising artists who had grown up on hard, traditional country music forms, including bluegrass (Jerry Garcia; Chris Hillman, etc.), began mixing those styles with the urban folk music of the time, and the rock and roll of Elvis, the Beatles and other legends, all of that stuff that Nashville hated for the most part (save for Johnny Cash), by the way, that’s when alternative country really got started. Once you had bands like the Byrds, the Flying Burrito Brothers, Poco, and the Grateful Dead mixing country instrumentation (steel guitar; Telecasters; mandolin; banjo, etc.) into a rock and roll format, that was the beginning of the California country-rock movement: the long-haired freaky hippies experimenting with that twang, but with a contemporary view of the world that spoke to their generation in a way that was far removed both musically and politically from Nashville at the time. That same movement also saw Linda Ronstadt and Emmylou Harris become iconic figures for women in American popular music (mainstream AND alternative, country AND pop), and they’ve remained there ever since. Since then, this harder-edged style has cropped up in many different places and in many different forms.
Yes, alternative country/Americana is largely a politically liberal thing, and it’s something that they don’t make any bones about or apologize for; but consider where its roots lie, a time in history that was an extremely turbulent one for America, both politically and socially, and I believe a bit of an understanding, if not outright rapprochement, can be reached. It is a style that has evolved over time, continues to evolve, and will keep on doing so (IMHO).
Juke
December 29, 2016 @ 6:08 pm
I know this site tries to stay away from political/race matters but since it was brought up;
White people & white culture are attacked today for simply existing. We were branded the cause of the U.S.A’s problems in media, academia & now politics. Especially if you’re a Southerner.
Country music, white man’s blues, is seen as a white cultural movement that many believe must be destroyed either through attacking directly (which hasn’t worked) or through demanding radical inclusion. “Radical inclusion” is just a polite way to say “ethnic cleansing”. The outcome is the same. It’s a cyanide pill dipped in sugar.
Every piece of white Southern identity has been demonized or destroyed. Everything your grandfathers thought good, has been tarnished, deemed oppressive if not downright evil. Country music is in some ways the last man standing.
I’m not advocating becoming the hate filled cartoons they paint us as but “those are the real racist over there” hasn’t worked for 50 years, doubtful it ever will. Your enemies still hate you & allies lose respect for you.
Of course that doesn’t mean trying to bar anyone, of any ethnicity, from playing the music we love. We should welcome anyone who does it well but it does mean we shouldn’t pretend it’s not ours. We should celebrate that fact.
Country music is the music of our grandfathers, our people…white America.
No shame, no apologies.
seak05
December 29, 2016 @ 9:01 pm
Well the steel guitar comes from Hawaii, and the banjo was brought by the slaves from West Africa, so…………….. maybe come up with something else?
Juke
December 30, 2016 @ 10:57 am
Is Kabuki theater no longer a Japanese art form because the Chinese invented silk robes?
Toby in AK
December 29, 2016 @ 10:14 pm
I agree with a couple things you say but any time I hear an insinuation of white genocide I can’t help but laugh. White people are not going anywhere and sprinkling a little bit of color into our genepool will only lead to an even bigger tent of whiteness. Sorry to burst the bubble on all this demographic madness…
Pollocks, Micks, Anglos, Persians and Sicilians are all one race?!? White people will never surrender! Those race traitors try to dirty up our genes, well we’ll just move the goalposts
Juke
December 30, 2016 @ 11:01 am
“White people are not going anywhere”
I’ll remind you of this when they’re grinding Jackson, Lee & Davis off Stone Mountain.
I don’t want to make this a non-music/culture discussion out of respect for SCM so I’ll leave it at that.
Fat Freddy's Cat
December 29, 2016 @ 6:12 pm
Christ on a bicycle. Don’t Americana artists have enough trouble getting their music heard, without being unfairly slagged by ridiculous busybodies whose understanding of race is limited to mindless beancounting? And it’s not as if these “journalists” care one bit about the struggles of the artists, black or white; this is just virtue signalling and click baiting.
Toby in AK
December 29, 2016 @ 6:38 pm
PSSS you’d better be careful Trigger or next thing you know your sites going to find itself on some kind of SLPC “hate watch” or Washington Post “Ruskie watch” block-list.
Although, I think they should be complimenting your empathy because your site came with it’s own “trigger warning” before that was even a thing.
ShadeGrown
December 29, 2016 @ 7:02 pm
Fuckin hippies!
Buck
December 29, 2016 @ 8:02 pm
What’s wrong with being alt-right, Mexicans can be proud and strive to persevere their heritage. Same with the negro and Asian races. So because we are nortic, Celtic, etc…. We have to be ashamed of our heritage? Heck no…
The real bigots in the ones saying being alt-right or proud of and wanting to preserve your heritage because is nortic, Celtic, etc…. Are bigots.
As Merle Haggard says…. I’m proud and white…
Jared S
December 29, 2016 @ 8:39 pm
Be “ashamed” of your heritage? No.
But if you believe that people of your “heritage (race)” are better than other people, or if you treat people differently based on their “heritage (race),” then you are a moron. Most of what I see from the alt-right is the latter.
Trigger
December 29, 2016 @ 9:09 pm
You just inspired five more freelance pop journalists to write articles about what garbage country fans are.
RD
December 29, 2016 @ 10:00 pm
Why do you care what they write? Its the present year…
Juke
December 30, 2016 @ 11:18 am
Respectfully, didn’t they do the same last year?…and the year before that..and the year before that, going back at least 60 years?
At what point does a culture/art form lose itself trying to gain acceptance from people who hated them anyway?
Also, why is it only Country music who seems to suffer this ailment? Rap doesn’t apologize for who created the culture, they revel in it. As well they should.
I think we deserve to give ourselves the same respect as others do form their respective art forms.
…that being said, part of being a white Southerner is being looked at like a junk yard dog.
Kent
December 30, 2016 @ 1:49 am
“As Merle Haggard says…. I’m proud and white…”
Yes but he also sad this:
“There’s no way the world will understand that love is colour blind
That’s why Irma Jackson can’t be mine.” (Writtten years before he wrote “Okie from Muskogee”)
and this:
“American ranching consists of a mansion
Where illegal immigrants do much of the labor by hand
They sneak ’em through customs till time comes to bust ’em
Then haul ’em back over the border to their own native land
With a ragged sombrero and not much Dinero”
From the album “I’m Always on a Mountain When I Fall”. Released a year after “White Boy” And “White Boy” was as far as I know written in support of “White trash” and not because he, (Merle) was “Proud and White”
Politicel songs in Country isn’t something new…
Pitstop4country
December 29, 2016 @ 8:07 pm
Some good points here. My mindset is put political beliefs aside and share the hell out of what you think is good music. I have my own beliefs and I see plenty of artists who agree and plenty who don’t. The best thing is to look at music as music. Appreciate the message whatever it may be and if you don’t like it, move on.
Chris
December 29, 2016 @ 8:23 pm
This is just another ridiculous music and politics article and comment thread.
It does nothing to save country music.
Trigger
December 29, 2016 @ 9:08 pm
Mark my words: This political rancor roiling country music at the moment is as significant of a threat to the genre as Taylor Swift was in 2009, or Bro-Country was in 2013, if not more. The point of these media attacks is to erode public support for what they believe to be haven’s for racists and bigots, and to shame people away listening to Alt-country, Americana, and country because they see them as synonymous with the Trump administration. It would be irresponsible of me to see an article proclaiming the artists and fans of alt-country as an extension of the alt-right and not speak up. This is a major, major issue, and Trump hasn’t even taken office yet. This thing needs to be nipped in the bud, and names need to be named.
As for the comments, I have been quite proud of the stimulating conversation and open dialogue. Sure there are a few bad apples, and the people who hate this kind of stuff, that’s where their eyes always gravitate toward. But I’m not going to censor people because I believe in an open forum where EVERYONE’S opinions are shared instead of sheltering people from differing viewpoints.
Chris
December 30, 2016 @ 8:56 am
Trig
I pulled for McGovern in 1972.
And ever since I got my first job and paycheck in 1973, I have been a conservative.
Which is why I didn’t vote for Mitt Romney, Bob Corker or Lamar Alexander.
I never even heard the term “alt-right” until a few months ago.
I’m still not entirely sure what it means.
Best I can tell, its purpose is to assuage the hurt feelings of those who still can’t believe their candidate list the election.
If you want to pretend that some minuscule band of neoNazis, similar to the Illinois Nazis from The Blues Brothers, poses an existential threat to Americana or authentic country music, go right ahead.
This is your ste, and you make the rules, which is as it should be.
But you take a truly great site, where we have great discussions about music and stir up a political hornets nest, always under the mantle of a greater good.
I also wasn’t implying that you censor comments, like, for example, the Huffington Post.
You certainly don’t do that.
Since you brought up Lucinda, though, I heard her perform in TN around 6-8 months ago and she couldn’t refrain from making a gushing comment about Bernie Sanders, and the audience reacted similarly.
I asked my friend accompanying me whether he thought that Lucinda divided up the proceeds of the concert on a socialist basis (you know, where she, her Buick 6 back-up band and her production people each got the same amount.
Socialism is easy when it’s being implemented with other people’s money.
With your own money, not so much.
With a few exceptions.
My wife and I behave fairly socialistically with our income, even though we work hard to get it.
We tithe several times over by giving large amounts to endowments we have created and directly to people we want to help.
To accomplish this, we tighten the belt at home, driving cars for 10-20 years, being sale shoppers, etc.
Take away the charitable income tax deduction, and we will still keep trying to give away more every year.
So, if it comforts you and others to categorize people who vote differently than yourselves, you can certainly do so.
I don’t resent threads like this – they just seem very silly.
Trigger
December 30, 2016 @ 10:02 am
Chris,
I really do appreciate the feedback, and trust me, I am very aware there are readers here who don’t want to see this type of political drama coming from this website. What I’m really trying to do is stamp down on folks impinging the musical environment with their politics, but I can totally understand how broaching the subject can be seen as a political action in itself. Believe it or not, I actually am taking steps to limit this amount of coverage here so that people who don’t want to see it aren’t getting barraged with it on a daily basis. For example, as you can see, this is a very lengthy article where I addressed multiple issues spanning out over a couple of weeks at the same time, as opposed to posting about this subject every other day for the past week. There is actually another big drama storm involving another outlet and the “definition of country music.” Instead of taking that on, I’ve decided to leave it be for next week, and focus instead on more music coverage. If you look at what happened this week on Saving Country Music, it was tying a bow at the end of 2016. This was just one article.
I appreciate that folks want to read everything I post, but you can’t always make everyone happy. I just in good concise avoid this story. Saving Country Music isn’t just about posting about cool music. It’s founding was as an industry watchdog and an advocate for independent and traditional artists, and I feel an obligation to cover these stories for the health of the genre, however unpopular they may be.
Chris
December 30, 2016 @ 1:39 pm
Thanks.
One of the points I was trying to make is that the alt-right movement was something of any materiality whatsoever, I would have heard of it because I am fairly right wing by most people’s measure.
I may well have first heard the term after the election.
I wouldn’t worry about its influence on our music.
Personally, I don’t look to these artists as people to emulate or for their social wisdom.
I just like their art.
Peace.
Erik North
December 30, 2016 @ 12:00 pm
Trigger, I do want to congratulate you on your highly successful work on SCM in 2016; it’s been exemplary.
And I would also say that country music is frequently misrepresented in the media because too many people just see ONE snapshot and thus it’s a fixed version in certain people’s minds, but it’s never an accurate one. Although it DOES have a history of racism and bigotry, and is the most politically conservative musical genre we have, it would be quite wrong to say that ALL of its fans and performers are just cross-burning right-wing rednecks just on the basis of that history alone.
At the same time, however, there ARE fans INSIDE the genre, who do feed the flames of those trying to demonize country music by reacting so virulently to even the tiniest little critique of what THEY think the genre ought to be based about, on the attitudes of a handful of prominent songs throughout the history of the genre that reflect the frequent conservatism of the genre, or the very “Whiteness” (for lack of a better term) of it. To me, it is just as misguided and bone-headed for those who are supposedly fans of country music to try and codify it in such narrow terms as those who aren’t. It ignores the entirely of country music’s past, and the facts of the present, which in turn can endanger the genre’s future.
Tony Gunter
December 30, 2016 @ 5:13 am
True journalism no longer exists so why does none of this surprise me. Frankly I am a Trump supporter as are most of my friends and family. None of us are racist sexist homophobes. I think you give the media too much credit. The American people are wising up each day and tuning them out.
DJ
December 30, 2016 @ 8:01 am
Not to rag on you, but…..True journalism? What do you consider true? Notice the date below in the quote below.
I read a LOT and as far as I can tell journalist have always pushed their agenda. What showed me this was the novel “The Richest Hill in America”, by Richard Wheeler, (the story of the copper industry) which I read several years ago. The competing news papers in the story published THEIR beliefs/desires trying to sway opinion, and even the recent past was rife with yellow journalism (see the story of marijuana and how yellow journalism was used to sway public opinion blaming marijuana use on Mexicans and Black people who, under it’s influence, raped white women, when in fact it was a ploy to help the paper industry get away from Hemp use as paper AND weapons of mass destruction comes to mind as well)
It’s now easier to see and find “alt” opinions due to the internet.
Those opinions are often questionable, at best, and usually their method is to attack the source over looking the message to sway opinion because they don’t have anything to attack in the message and this particular piece is indicative of an idiot who paid someone to teach them that attacking the messenger is ok, which in this case is a brand of music, whose attack just showed how shallow the person is, which is pretty typical of journalist, which is why Triggers honesty and accuracy is so refreshing.
“The business of journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?”
“We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.”
(Spoken by John Swinton, preeminent New York journalist, at a press banquet in 1880)
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=60766
Tony Gunter
December 30, 2016 @ 8:10 am
Why would I think you are ragging on me? You pretty much made my point so I think we are in agreement. Once upon a time I was taught that true journalists research their facts, the who, what, why, where, when, and how and make every effort to get it right before publishing a story. THAT practice is dead.
Narrativity
December 30, 2016 @ 1:43 pm
To be fair, my view of country fans during the George W. Bush was shaped by stories of thousands of country fans destroying their Dixie Chick CDs after they criticized GWB in England. As far as I know, that happened. I know it’s a different era, but journalists have become an easy target.
Mark
December 30, 2016 @ 3:50 pm
Very interesting article Trigger, thanks a lot.
You wrote:
“and am doing my little stupid part to try to diffuse political anger and foster discussion”
You’re contributions are neither little nor stupid.
Small nit pick…..Even if you feel that they are, (given the nature of your business, that would be understandable) I would appreciate it if you would stop derogating/insulting yourself like this in your articles as you tend to do now and then.
Thanks again, this is the most interesting thing I’ve read in a while anywhere.
Jk
December 30, 2016 @ 5:11 pm
The level of smug condescension inherent in Osberg’s accusation is quite staggering, taking into account the complete impotence of her writing. She foregoes any claim to moral certitude on which patronise an entire audience of people by quoting that insulting lame piece of verbiage by Diane Pecknold instead of providing any real substantiation for what is a massive accusation. Lazy, cheap, mean spirited crap.
the pistolero
December 30, 2016 @ 8:13 pm
Man, Jason Boland’s latest album would just blow these motherfuckers’ minds all to bits.
Jill
February 10, 2017 @ 8:48 am
Even if “country fans aren’t all racist,” the majority of them sure are complicit to racism. Any claim of “don’t bring politics into my music” translates to “don’t acknowledge the oppressive nature of the traditions to which I cling fearfully.” Until an actual majority of country music makers and listeners adopts a preemptively antiracist, antifascist, antisexist stance, there is every reason to damn the whole genre.
Trigger
February 10, 2017 @ 11:51 am
Wow.
““Until an actual majority of country music makers and listeners adopts a preemptively antiracist, antifascist, antisexist stance, there is every reason to damn the whole genre.”
That, by definition, is bigotry and stereotype. You are passing judgement on a segment of people based on the actions of some. This is the same philosophy that is present in American racism and religious intolerance.