The American Market Needs Ward Thomas. Now.
“We’ve got to keep it all alive, and help your history survive. Respect the people who were here before us.”
“Turning on the radio I’m fed up with these single-minded lines. Does anybody stop and think there’s more to words than just a stupid rhyme?
“And I wonder if they’ll ever see the signs. That we’re hungry for a message that inspires.”
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These aren’t lyrics taken from Dale Watson songs. They’re lyrics from Ward Thomas. And Ward Thomas is not some grizzly country music Outlaw in motorcycle fashion looking to start a fist fight with Florida Georgia Line, it’s two 21-year-old fraternal twins from England who sing country music. Yes, not much makes sense here, but sometimes that’s sign that you’re on to something that isn’t just unique, but exceptional. And that’s what Ward Thomas is.
On October 25th, the 10th annual British Country Music Awards, or BCMA’s went down in London. Oh, you weren’t exactly tuned into the BCMA’s you say? First time hearing about them? Well Ward Thomas was bestowed with Duo of the Year honors, though they weren’t there to accept them. Lizzie Ward Thomas—the blonde-haired one—was in Zambia at the time on a six week trip to care for orphaned Chimpanzees. This is the same kind of socially-conscious, self-aware, a forward-thinking mindset these twins approach their music with, and it is as astounding as it is inspiring and enjoyable to listen to.
Let’s establish something right off the bat here: this is not traditional country. And nor should it be. If these two girls got up on stage and tried to twang it up, it would be disingenuous. It would be an act as opposed to an authentic expression of themselves and their personal experiences, which is exactly what you get from their music. They’re 21-year-old girls from the U.K., but that doesn’t mean they don’t have country music in their hearts or their narratives. It just means they may be inspired just as much by Christine McVie of Fleetwood Mac as Johnny Cash.
Catherine and Lizzy Ward Thomas grew up on a livestock farm in the countryside of Hampshire in England. “It is our early years of living on the farm that give us our country roots: Cows, chickens, pigs and goats have the same language in rural England as they do below America’s Mason-Dixon line,” says the duo. Their parents were in a band together, and they began to sing as a duo at an early age. At the same time, Catherine and Lizzy’s family scene wasn’t idyllic. Their parents divorced when they were 12-years-old, and their scars come through in their music just as much as their ideals.
Ward Thomas is Maddie & Tae without the baggage or the need for qualifiers or quips like “Oh, but at least it’s better than Bro-Country.” Ward Davis is First Aid Kit but with a more sensible, positive, and wide-appealing sound that doesn’t shed the intelligence or inspiration from the listening experience to get there.
These girls have a song called “The Good And The Right” for crying out loud, where they very directly criticize the direction of culture and the priorities of society in the modern age. They have a song called “Way Back When” that directly challenges the whole “evolution” argument made by modern country music that claims paying respect to the past is tantamount to going back and believing the world is flat. Notice in the line, ““We’ve got to keep it all alive, and help your history survive,” they use “your” instead of “our” in reference to history. These young ladies understand that they’re visitors in the country music space. But at the same time, being studied and concerned about the music, they’re willing to speak up.
But most importantly, Ward Thomas understands that all of this is interconnected. If you have bad music, eventually this leads to a bad culture, and bad actions, and a broken society. These girls are not out to save country music, they’re out to save their generation, and do so not just by offering criticism and complaint, but by attempting to inspire others.
And this isn’t just about idealistic judgement by a couple of young women. A line in the song “The Good And The Right” says, “I’m as guilty as the rest, gotta spread my wings and leave this nest.” Aside from the incredible beauty that can be captured when two close siblings harmonize, possibly Ward Thomas’ best asset is understanding they’re two young girls from England trying to do something in a art form foreign to their native soil, and that one must have an intimate, personal understanding of all of the emotions and pitfalls of the human condition to perform country music correctly.
This is one of the reasons Lizzie is running off to Africa. It’s also the reason these girls starting coming to Nashville after finishing school study country music, to write songs, to work on songs with others, to record music, and to understand country from the inside out.
And before you begin to think that this all sounds a little too heady or esoteric for the wide ear music must reach to be effective, just listen to it. The criticism from many is going to be that it’s too fluffy. But there’s excellent balance in Ward Thomas, and it all resides well within the borders of the two sisters’ experiences. They can release outspoken songs like “The Good And The Right” and “Way Back When,” but they can also do fun songs that don’t make you feel stupid like “Push For The Stride” or “Town Called Ugley” which features Vince Gill. They can do some very deep, painful ballads like “From Where I Stand.” And the entire time, their vocals are on par with some of the best of the sister pairings we’ve heard throughout country music history. And they write or co-write all of their songs aside from the obvious covers.
Of course some of the production is more indicative of rock in moments, or otherwise can be second guessed. But think of how advanced this is for two young women from England making country music, and not for the American market, but for the British market. They released their debut album From Where We Stand in 2014, but it didn’t reach North America in wide downloadable or streaming form until March of 2015. The CD still doesn’t seem to be distributed in North America.
But if there was ever an act that American country music needed more, it would be Ward Thomas. And not because they’re traditional country, but because they’re pop country, but pop country that actually says something, assumes an intelligent audience, and attempts to inspire and entertain the public without making you feel stupid.
I’m not sure enough can be said about Ward Thomas. If country music is to be saved, then it has to happen in all sectors of the music, from bluegrass, to traditional country, to Outlaw and honky tonk, and to country pop that will appeal to young women, and to adults that are tired of the pop tart fest, and the poor messages it’s sending to listeners at large.
Someone, anyone, get these girls over here and give them the support they deserve. American country music needs Ward Thomas.
Two Guns Up.
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Preview & Purchase From Where We Stand by Ward Thomas
Editor’s Note: I’m going to load you down with YouTube’s, but it is the best way to explore this band.
Martha
November 1, 2015 @ 8:09 pm
Good stuff. Thanks for posting this. I’ll have to see if I can download their music. Not much of a Maddie&Tay fan, but these young ladies have great harmony which is something I’ve always enjoyed.
Brandon
November 1, 2015 @ 9:04 pm
I like their voices , they sound very unique and mature.
I find it funny when people say you can’t be country or be a country singer if you aren’t from southern U.S.A. . Something I really like about these girls is the fact that they don’t try and impersonate a southern accent like Taylor Swift,Shania Twain, Jana Kramer did.
Eric
November 1, 2015 @ 9:25 pm
You could also add Brandy Clark to your list. She is from Washington State, yet she sings expertly with a Southern accent.
Imitating the accent can sometimes be a form of respect.
Melanie
November 2, 2015 @ 6:06 am
I think real country music and the performance of it can come from anywhere (a rural background doesn’t hurt, as long as by “rural” you don’t mean partying in the cornfield on the tailgate with your girl in one hand wearing Daisy Dukes and a bottle of something alcoholic in the other). Some very fine country singers have come from Canada (I don’t mean Shania, they can have her back). Country soul is something you either have or you don’t, no matter where you’re from, though authentic country roots don’t hurt (and they even have that, English version). Crystal Gayle was Loretta Lynn’s younger sister, and for all that I loved her voice and style, she did NOT sound country to me, she sounded smooth jazzy. Thank God Kenny G never saw fit to hop on the “country” bamdwagon! Gordon Lightfoot sounds more country (Canadian version) on some of his music than the “bro” acts (Bring Out Old Dan Tucker, Sundown, more).
Trigger
November 2, 2015 @ 8:45 am
Putting unnecessary limitations on your listening experience, whether it’s because of where the artist is from, how old they are, if they’re male or female, in my opinion is just selling yourself short as a listener. I love finding country music from different countries. The music discovery process for me is so enjoyable and so fulfilling. I spend so much time digging and digging for something cool and new and fresh and unique, and when you find it, it’s like striking gold. There’s such a great payoff it’s worth all the effort.
Melanie
November 2, 2015 @ 8:53 am
I don’t mind being open to new music, I just want “truth in advertising”. And I will admit to some confirmed preferences in both genres, and what I expect from those genres.
Brandon
November 2, 2015 @ 1:23 pm
Roo Arcus is an artist I enjoy, and he’s from Australia.
I am from Nova Scotia,Canada. Home of Hank Snow,Anne Murray,Wilf Carter. In the modern day, Canada has Corb Lund,Lindi Ortega, Malpass Brothers ,Daniel Romano, and some other great artists.
albert
November 2, 2015 @ 6:53 pm
“Some very fine country singers have come from Canada (I don”™t mean Shania, they can have her back).”
WE DON’T WANT HER BACK !
Melanie
November 3, 2015 @ 6:12 am
LOL, sorry. I don’t think we need fear anyway, last I heard, Switzerland got stuck with her.
CountryKnight
November 1, 2015 @ 9:52 pm
“orphaned Chimpanzees?”
C’mon that is nice and all, but she doesn’t deserve that much praise: she isn’t caring for orphaned children.
CountryKnight
November 1, 2015 @ 9:54 pm
Ward Thomas sounds like a department store chain.
Apparently, women duo acts are becoming the new flavor of the week. Hopefully, it leads to good music.
Melanie
November 2, 2015 @ 6:12 am
Gotta start somewhere if we want female country acts back in the fold (and I say we do, and I’m no feminist), because someone needs to fill Tammy’s, Loretta’s, Miss Kitty’s Patsy Cline’s, Jean Shepard’s, etc shoes as well as George Jones’, Merle Haggard’s, Waylon’s, the Hanks’, etc. At least they’re not M&T (those voices, arrrggghhh!), or (so far as we can yet tell) yet another young female artist using country as her springboard to the pop she’d rather be doing.
Someone should these girls a train song, lol. Trains are still widespread in Britain (trainspotting, anyone?)
CountryKnight
November 2, 2015 @ 8:01 am
Agreed. It is just interesting to see that young, good-looking duos is the new female approach. Makes sense for the record companies, I suppose. It is harder for the world and radio to resist two beautiful belles than just one.
Trigger
November 2, 2015 @ 8:47 am
Ward Thomas is not some major label upstart. It’s not where country music is headed, yet at least. It’s two girls from England who are virtually unknown in North America. They are independent artists. They do have a label in England I believe, but they’re not touring the world.
Jack Williams
November 2, 2015 @ 5:18 pm
You did catch that they’re twin sisters, right?
Trigger
November 2, 2015 @ 8:41 am
There is a train song on this album and it’s pretty stark, and wise. It’s about taking a train trip with a girl who conveys the story about having an abortion, and the narrator trying to quantify the depth of the story, and trying to learn what she can from it. It’s insanely good songwriting. I really can’t say enough about these girls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJvEjU5s0Ek
Melanie
November 2, 2015 @ 8:59 am
Sheesh Trigger, I don’t know what to reply to that, because it concerns a topic which gets my hackles up big-time, and I believe that you don’t want political controversy brought into these threads.
Trigger
November 2, 2015 @ 9:06 am
The thing that’s great about the song is they don’t take any political side or mindset with it. It’s not a pro or anti-abortion song. It’s about the need to about every human experience and interaction and trying to learn from it as opposed to using it to pass judgement or reinforcing ones own opinions, etc. It’s a really interesting song that I’m not sure I fully understand just yet. The perspective in these songs is so deep. So much deeper than we’re used to listening to.
Greg
November 2, 2015 @ 12:33 pm
I’m not sure this is about abortion, but rather adoption or giving the child away.
“Bout an unwanted girl and a pregnancy
But at 17 I couldn”™t be the mother that I”™m trying to be now…
Though a stranger to me, I feel I can tell”¦
You that the man who she was intrusted to
Took his life, that”™s why I”™m sitting next to you.”
Unless the following verses are about a second child she had, it seems she gave the child away and now is coming to take her back after the man’s suicide.
Lyrics from http://wardthomasmusic.com/lyric/take-that-train/
Regardless I’m blown away by the Loretta Lynn cover. Put them onstage at CMA rather than JT and his guest!
Trigger
November 2, 2015 @ 12:37 pm
You may be totally right Greg. Like I said, I’ve actually listened to the song a bunch of times but still don’t feel like I’ve completely deciphered they lyrics, which is a sign of good songwriting when it stimulates the brain and intrigues the listener. Another good sign of songwriting is when a song means different things to different people. So possibly it’s about abortion to some, and adoption to others. I’m not sure I want to know the real answer. Ultimately what I took from the song was to value everyone’s story, and that there’s learning moments in life at every point. The only question is whether we choose to learn from them.
Gena R.
November 1, 2015 @ 9:58 pm
Nice! Fun sound, sweet harmonies and smart lyrics. 🙂
Chris
November 1, 2015 @ 10:58 pm
I almost fell asleep reading those lyrics.
Trigger
November 1, 2015 @ 11:18 pm
I can only image what the 13 paragraphs afterwards did then.
albert
November 2, 2015 @ 12:03 am
Thanks for the heads-up on Ward Thomas , Trigger . Great find . This is just too good for mainstream country ….lyrically ….vocally and most certainly musically and production-wise . Spectacular production , in fact , IMO . Mixing female voices can be tricky with the instruments on these particular tracks but its superb. I also love the fact that these artists aren’t selling themselves ( all sexed-up, fashioned up and parading around like a TS or a Ballerini ) …they are completely selling the song – substance and sentiment. The Maddie and Tae semi-comparison is an accurate one , I think . But shit , if there’s room for a hundred sound-alike , look-alike bros and THEIR ” music ” there’s certainly room for 2 or three female duos who obviously care a whole lot more about a song . Two Guns up is undoubtedly the appropriate rating , Trigger
Ags Connolly
November 2, 2015 @ 1:47 am
Another UK act, The Shires, are signed to Decca in Nashville and are now fully part of the Nashville machine. Perhaps it would be better for Ward Thomas if they stayed out of that. I’m not sure. They have been popular on radio here for a while though.
Melanie
November 2, 2015 @ 5:56 am
Yeah, I was wondering if they were still at home, because it makes you worry that if they come to Nashville (which they must eventually do to break into country radio, if that’s what they want, to reach the widest possible audience-they’ll have to be really strong and stubborn and really love country music not to get corrupted) , they’ll get “contaminated” by all the people who are fumigating the sounds of real country music from their sound.
Jordan K
November 2, 2015 @ 4:12 am
Wow these girls are good. Absolutely loved every song
Melanie
November 2, 2015 @ 5:47 am
Trigger, from what I heard here, I like, I like very much. One of the sisters does seem to have a bit of “twang”, maybe she accidentally picked it up from listening to Loretta records 🙂 because it doesn’t sound put-on, and I KNOW she’s from England. Maybe it’s just that anyone who loves real country music and its traditions and respects its roots and early pioneers and legends has a little twang in their souls, just like some the Brit blues players could seem possessed by the spirit of Robert Johnson in both their playing and their singing, like that blues-bender on guitar Peter Green (though no white man sings blues like Gregg Allman).
Craig
November 2, 2015 @ 6:29 am
This isn’t country. It’s just not. It’s contemporary folk and it’s nice but it’s not country. It shares some roots with country, because we all know that country originated from English and Irish folk music and no doubt two English gals will share those influences. But country is distinctly informed by rural Scots-Irish immigrant American culture and experience, and without that culture/experience you just can’t sing it. And don’t throw some obviously non Scots-Irish immigrant American country classic singer at me and say ‘well, what about!’ because Scots-Irish culture is historically wide open to assimilation and I guarantee you that even though say, Charley Pride, doesn’t look Scots-Irish, I can easily argue that a large portion of his culture was Scots-Irish by assimilation. I make this argument the same way that I’d argue that Eric Clapton is not a ‘blues man’. Clapton is an English guy who loves the blues and does a great job at imitating American blues singers. But the blues experience is an African-American experience and no white guy can claim any kind of legitimate claim to it. He can dip into it, but as much as I like Stevie Ray Vaughn and Clapton, they just can’t compare to the original Blues Men. So these two ladies, as well meaning as they might be, do not in any way represent a way forward for country music. They’re just tourists. I want the real thing. In all genres, the real thing. As much as it’s an uncomfortable thought in today’s climate of ‘everyone is the same’, the music you make is a result of who you are.
Trigger
November 2, 2015 @ 8:35 am
Well I guess we should just listen to Florida Georgia Line then. I mean, they’re from the Florida Georgia Line region, right? It says it right there in their name.
Who gives a shit where these girls are from? I love finding good country music in other countries. I’ve found tons of great music from Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, and mainland Europe. Sometimes, if not most times, it’s better than the stuff from the United States.
But to your point of, “So these two ladies, as well meaning as they might be, do not in any way represent a way forward for country music. They”™re just tourists.”
As I said specifically in the review,
“Notice in the line, ““We”™ve got to keep it all alive, and help your history survive,” they use “your” instead of “our” in reference to history. These young ladies understand that they”™re visitors in the country music space.”
They know they’re tourists. They understand how they’re going to be perceived by the American market. They’re not even pushing their music to America. They may not even want to. But I do, and I am pushing it to the American market. Why? Because it’s significantly better than Florida Georgia Line or Luke Bryan or whatever.
Call it whatever you want, I don’t care. Say it doesn’t quality as “country?” Whatever. It still represents progress in music, and we’re all music fans first, then are loyalties break down genre lines.
Craig
November 2, 2015 @ 10:25 am
I said that traditional country music is informed by the Scots-Irish immigrant American cultural experience. I did not say that everyone with the Scots-Irish immigrant American cultural experience makes country music. If that were the case, then Superchunk would be the best country band of the 90’s.
I’m glad that you like country sounding music made by foreign artists. I didn’t suggest that you stop listening to it. There are a couple of Swedish alt country bands that I like a lot. My point was only that for me, if I’m ‘saving country music’, I’d rather save the real thing.
Trigger
November 2, 2015 @ 12:50 pm
I’m not trying to “save” Ward Thomas. All I’m saying is that if Ward Thomas replaced Kelasea Ballerini at the top of the country charts, it would be a massive, massive improvement for country. And yes, this would go a long way to help “save” country music.
You have to start somewhere. Though I’d love to see it, you’re not going to resurrect the commercial career of Marty Stuart overnight and get him to headline the CMA Awards. This is a war to be fought on all fronts. Were Patsy Cline and Eddy Arnold hard country? Of course not. But they were better than what’s out there today, and so is Ward Thomas.
Melanie
November 2, 2015 @ 9:14 am
Well, to that I can only say that I like what I’ve heard of Gillian Welch’s, which also sounds in the vein of “folk”, folk as in Original Carter Family, from whence country was born. Or the Louvin Brothers marrying folk songs (Knoxville Girl) to a classic country sound, at least in their era, the brother or family duo/group. I know Welch is not country in the vein of the “classic” sound of country in its heyday (which seems to have begun with the honky-tonk era), but in lieu of nothing better, or nothing in that classic country vein, I’ll take Gillian Welch over the “bros” anyday. All this does is bring country back to where it started, folk songs sung in the Appalachians, songs brought over by their Scots Irish English forebears. I just don’t know if we’re going to ever get anymore George Jones and Tammy Wynettes ever again, what produced them can’t be replicated in this day and age (and the talent scouts either don’t want those distinctive voices anymore, or they don’t exist, I don’t know which it is).
Greg B
November 4, 2015 @ 12:29 pm
RE: “But country is distinctly informed by rural Scots-Irish immigrant American culture and experience”.
Where do the following names originate? Jones, Williams, Owens, Harris, etc.
When you work that out also realize a lot of the church music that eventually turned into gospel was also introduced to the US from the same music loving source.
Greg B
November 8, 2015 @ 7:18 am
The answer is Wales!
Fuzzy TwoShirts
November 2, 2015 @ 7:45 am
I am so fed up with the idea that only young people and/or goofy middle aged losers who act like young people can be in Country Music. If we’re giving out an “of the year award” to somebody who hasn’t even been of the legal drinking age for the whole year we need to just scrap the system and replace it. I know, I know, there isn’t a drinking age in England, but why are all the people who aren’t creepy thirty somethings like Jason Aldean always twenty something?
I’m twenty, I have a college degree, I’ve played in a band since I was sixteen or seventeen, I don’t want the insights of other twenty year old people. I want the wisdom and the experience of the “old farts.” Because that wisdom and their experience encompasses decades of living, sometimes seven or eight decades and not just the one. Because lets face it, somebody twenty one probably didn’t start thinking critically until they were well past eleven, so not even a full decade of proper life experiences.
Willie Nelson was here during the Cold War, he was here during the “Hippie Years” and he was here when Terminator, E.T., Jurassic Park, Pokemon, etc. were created as franchises, Willie Nelson was here for Watergate, and ‘Nam, and Madalyn Murray O’Hair, he predates the “Phantom of the Opera” musical, the Whopper AND the Kit Kat bar. These twenty something kids probably don’t even remember the Atari 5200, or A&W restaurants, and most of them probably haven’t seen “Christine” or the original “Planet of the Apes.”
I’m not criticizing these two, I’m very happy with what I see. But can we please get a real adult in Country Music, and not just people my age and/or people who haven’t grown up like Luke Bryan?
CountryKnight
November 2, 2015 @ 7:59 am
Love the Pokémon reference. This might be hard to master but Pokémon will turn 20 in a few years. Where has my life and time gone?
Trigger
November 2, 2015 @ 8:15 am
Frankly Fuzzy, your opinion is tantamount to age discrimination.
“I am so fed up with the idea that only young people and/or goofy middle aged losers who act like young people can be in Country Music.”
This has nothing to do with age, at all. We should all want young people involved in country music. If you don’t have young people, you don’t have a future.
This is how underground country died. It was the same dozen acts serving the same people, and now new, younger artists ever came aboard. Evetually artists moved on, fans moved on, and there’s nothing left. I hate to say it, but Willie Nelson isn’t going to save country music. He already did in the 70’s. Now its a new generation’s turn. You may not like listening to younger people, but that doesn’t mean their involvement in country is wrong or something. Many of the greats were very young when they first had their success.
Melanie
November 2, 2015 @ 9:22 am
Trigger, I think that Fuzzy has a pont in this respect-country really was generally about adult themes, seen through adult eyes (and “come up hard” adult to boot), and there’s none of that in country anymore. Yes we have have new blood to keep country alive, but ALL the artists now start out barely out of their teens, and it’s all about writing (or “co-writing”) about their personal experiences. That’s supposed to bring relevance, but when you’re young enough that all you’ve ever done is perhaps go to college, party, and fall in and out of young love, how much depth can there be? Especially since people grow up so much more slowly now.
Trigger
November 2, 2015 @ 10:42 am
Melanie,
But all of that goes without saying. I’ve written literally hundreds of articles hounding on that subject. Fuzzy has gone so off the page, he’s not paining me as advocating for tenny bopper themes in country, when all I’m doing here is saying, “Hey, here’s a cool project from England that actually doesn’t talk down to their audience. Wouldn’t it be cool if American acts were more like that?”
The idea of eradicating youthful perspectives from country is ridiculous and irrational. In Fuzzy’s world, if some 25-year-old banjo savant can’t get up on stage and become a superstar like Earl Scruggs in the 50’s, then it’s complete garbage. This is the perspective of a fantasy world.
What these girls are doing is a vast improvement on what we have. If we can’t agree on that basic point, then country music doesn’t deserve to be saved.
Melanie
November 2, 2015 @ 10:59 am
My rational side totally gets what you’re saying, understands it and knows it’s the truth-my emotional side wonders if country music even ever CAN exist again as I knew it, and generations before me knew it, doesn’t really believe so, and therefore has to really push myself to open my mind and give the young blood a chance. The environment which gave rise to proto-country music and classic country music can’t ever exist again, which leads me to believe that the sound (words and music) that I love and cherish so much can never exist again, and though the new things can be really good and often are, I can’t help missing what I knew as “country music”.
Maybe this is a taste of how people like the Original Carter Family felt when things like honky-tonk came around. Well, karma on us then!
Melanie
November 3, 2015 @ 11:21 am
And I have to say, it doesn’t appear that the youth demographic, whether as the artists or the target audience, is in any danger of extinction right now. Quite the contrary. The quality of the music which the generality of that demographic chooses to make and listen to (at least as far as Nashville and radio are concerned) are the problem. Good quality music has no age. I blame the industry for making it appear otherwise, in what they’re choosing to push and that they’re strictly, completely, and unabashedly focusing on that demographic.
And they’re doing it in the most unethical way, by pandering to people who wouldn’t give “real” country the time of day.
(How can I “unlike” myself? I was trying to click “edit” and clicked “like” accidentally. I promise!)
CountryKnight
November 2, 2015 @ 1:39 pm
Exactly, I’m college-aged and I agree with this.
A 19 year old coal miner had something to sing about. A 20 year old orphan had a vast catalog to draw upon.
Most of my peers do not have the life experiences to use as gist. A high school breakup and a night on the tailgate doesn’t count.
Eric
November 2, 2015 @ 4:29 pm
What about those whose families lost their homes or jobs after the 2008 Recession? After all, this is the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Yes, the current young generation has experienced a better life than those from the Depression era, but they certainly have faced more hardship than any other young generation since the 1950s.
I would suggest watching the documentary “American Winter”. It depicts a bunch of working-class Oregon families who have lost their livelihood and are struggling to make ends meet.
On another note, I would like to tie two of my theories together. A few days ago, I predicted that we will see a neotraditional revolution in the 2020s. Well, that also happens to be the decade when Millennials will fully take the reins of country music. So maybe the neotraditional movement will be based on lyrics that depict how hard it was to live during the Great Recession…
Eric
November 2, 2015 @ 4:16 pm
“Especially since people grow up so much more slowly now.”
That is by no means true for everyone, or even most. Someone who was a child when the Great Recession hit in 2008, and whose family lost their home or their job, certainly did not grow up “slowly”. Someone who served in Iraq or Afghanistan was certainly forced to mature fast. Someone who could not find a job after high school, or maybe even after college and saddled with massive student loan debt, certainly faced their share of hardship in life.
The stereotype of immature behavior applies only to a subset of the upscale end of the young generation. It should absolutely not be used to define the generation broadly.
Melanie
November 3, 2015 @ 6:34 am
Safety nets exist now which will ensure that no one in this country ever has to “root hog or die” again, to survive. They ensure that cases like Merle Haggard and family growing up in Okie labor camps in California will never be the case again. No one has to literally scrape the bottom of the barrel for the last of the flour to mix with water to make tasteless dumplings with no protein. Therefore, those conditions which bred classic country won’t ever exist again. Maybe someone could do a hard-luck song about obesity amongst kids living below the ever-changing “poverty line”.No one has to send their kids out at age 10 or so to sell peanuts and shine shoes just so the family can eat (ie Hank Sr).
People marry and start families later (except the ones who don’t marry at all and have three kids before they’re 20). Yes, that could be a “hard luck” story, but it’s self-made hard luck, and just doesn’t pull at my heart strings the same way.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
November 2, 2015 @ 9:25 am
My criticism is perfectly valid, because I am as concerned about the future of our genre as you.
Maddie and Tae are no different than Cole Swindell. They payed no dues; they have no real ties to this genre’s legacy. They just strutted into Scott Borchetta’s office and he created them.
By contrast, Marty Stuart, by the time he was twenty one, had played with Lester and Earl, and Johnny Cash. Ricky Skaggs, by the time he was twenty one, had played with Ralph Stanley and Bill Monroe.
Maddie and Tae are a product, and the traditional community fell for the advertising. They called out the bros (which was totally calculated and by design on behalf of Borchetta) and we jumped all over them because it was what we wanted, even though it was all an elaborate marketing ploy by Scott Borchetta.
Jesse Baker is only twenty-five and he’s one of the greatest banjo players in the states, and is doing more for the future of authentic rural music than just about anybody of the same age.
I’ve seen him live twice with two different bands, and he’s the guy to go to for quality music by young people. AND he’s payed dues.
Trigger
November 2, 2015 @ 10:29 am
We need to stop focusing on the “who,” and start focusing on the “what.” When you focus on the “who,” that is when ageism, sexism, racism, and regionalism cloud your judgement.
Are we having a discussion about Maddie & Tae, or about Ward Thomas? So Ward Thomas has to pay for the sins of Maddie & Tae? Does that mean Mo Pitney does too? Then I say Jesse Baker should also.
With all due respect Fuzzy, the idea that young people can’t make country music is absolutely asinine, and frankly, dangerous. Hank Williams wrote all those songs by the age of 29. What would Sun Records have been if it wasn’t for young performers? How many dues did they pay at the beginning of their careers? Ward Thomas is paying their dues right now. You’re acting like they just received a No. 1 single when they haven’t made a concerted effort to even introduce themselves to the American market.
If you want to go wizz all over Maddie & Tae, then go to a Maddie & Tae article. It’s not appropriate here, and it makes it look like I’m lumping Maddie & Tae together with Ward Thomas when in fact I made a concerted effort to separate them. It’s a completely different beast.
Melanie
November 3, 2015 @ 7:03 am
Trigger-I wouldn’t call it “criticism” of their music, in the objective sense, I just don’t care for their voices. Isn’t that fair enough, if we’re going to stick to their music and not their “country cred”?
And you say in a post below (sorry, it didn’t have a reply link) that they may not even choose to stay in country music, they may choose to move to pop. Now, that’s their right, but this kind of thing just viscerally pizzes me off. It’s what I meant by people using country as the “low board”-the easiest way-to get into the music pool, then swimming over to the shallow(haha) end to move into pop. This may not be the case, but if it is, this is the kind of thing that’s not helping country music.
And my argument has never been that young people can’t be in country music, write country songs, but my advice would be completely opposite to what is usually given-DON’T necessarily just write “what you know”, all the time. Tell someone else’s story, one that is maybe a little different to the norm of young people’s experiences these days. (Apropos, or perhaps not, of this, some studies have shown millenials to be one of the most conformist generations-even their “rebellion” is conformist).
As I’ve noted ad nauseum, Johnny Cash, Kris Kristofferson, Willie Nelson, and Waylon Jennings didn’t have to be astronauts, highway robbers, sailors, or laborers on the Boulder Dam to sing about them, and sound like they WERE those people, and put the listener in the skins of those characters.
Look, sorry to sound “sexist”, but it seems to me that men (used to, at least)do a better job of writing songs” from the outside” of themselves, instead of everything all the time being about themselves, their feelings and lives and loves, etc. I haven’t heard the female version of “Red-Headed Stranger” in all these years after Nelson did a country concept album of the Old West (in which he did not live, even if he is old as dirt-like a lot of us, now). Where are the women writing such songs, much less entire albums of them?
Trigger
November 3, 2015 @ 9:26 am
If you say you don’t like their voices, that’s totally fine. I’m not trying to convince anyone to like these girls. I just don’t want to put unnessessary qualifiers on music based on who people are. Sure, certain things can factor in, but in the end we should listen to the music and judge it on its own merit, regardless of sex, age, country of origin, etc.
As for the idea that these girls may go pop, I never said that, and I would be real surprised if they decided to do so. I said they may not pursue country as a career, meaning they’re young. They may decide to go back to school and become doctors, who knows. But I think if they continue to make music, it will be in the country space.
Melanie
November 3, 2015 @ 8:46 am
I was unclear on the voices I can’t stand-it’s not Ward Thomas, it’s M&T’s voices I can’t stand. As I said in the comments on their article, I hope it’s just Autotune which made them sound that way, in that case they can always ditch it (unless they can’t carry a tune in a bucket, I haven’t heard them “unplugged” so to speak).
Melanie
November 3, 2015 @ 9:39 am
I was also referring to M&T re going pop, I thought you indicated in that article that you saw possibilities of that occurring.
CountryKnight
November 2, 2015 @ 1:47 pm
Fuzzy,
It is similar to what I said a few posts up. Seemingly none of these young singers have any experiences to draw upon. I like “Shut Up and Fish” a lot, but if a pushy city boy is their greatest adversity so far, we cannot expect much in relatable authenticity.
But Hank Williams lived a hard scrabble life when he died young. He grew up in a different era. He lived during the Depression and World War II. Maddie & Tae grew up on Dora the Explorer.
I don’t have much information on Maddie & Tae’s early years. But I will wage that their biggest battle, outside of the studio, was picking which flirting boy to date and which boy to dump in the lake.
I love fluff music and silly songs, but I (and others) also need some life experiences. Which is the life blood of country music.
Trigger
November 2, 2015 @ 2:43 pm
If you want to make a street cred argument against Maddie & Tae, you have every right. That still doesn’t have anything to do with their music though. Saying their music sucks because they never worked in a coal mine or their mother never ran a brothel is not a viable basis to criticize music. You can criticize their character, but not their music.
Ward Thomas is a completely different story. I’m not even sure if these girls have decided to pursue country music as a career. Maddie & Tae are on their way to being millionaires. Ward Thomas is playing coffee shops. They’re paying dues. And they very specifically address these concerns in their music. Listen to the song “Way Back When.” I quoted the line from “The Good And The Right” in the review, “I”™m as guilty as the rest, gotta spread my wings and leave this nest.” . This is the duo acknowledging they’re still young and need to learn and grow.
Making blanket statements about young people and how they don’t have a right to make country unless they did it like Marty Stuart did I just don’t think is helpful, or specifically pertains to Ward Thomas.
A girl I followed for years named Ruby Jane played fiddle in bands since she was 8-years-old. She was the youngest invited fiddle player ever on the Opry. She played with Marty Stuart. She toured with Willie Nelson and Asleep at the Wheel when she was 14. She’s got more country skins on the wall than 90% of mainstream country performers. And now she plays indie pop in Austin. Why? Because she didn’t want to have anything to do with mainstream country.
glendel
November 2, 2015 @ 2:02 pm
Fuzzy, you’re correct that Marty Stuart played with Johnny Cash and with Lester Flatt, but I’m not sure that he played with Earl Scruggs before he was 21, since Flatt and Scruggs had broken up when he was a teenager, and there was a lot of bad blood between Lester and Earl.
Trainwreck92
November 2, 2015 @ 3:29 pm
Fuzzy, Jason Isbell wrote some of the finest alt-country/ southern rock songs I’ve ever heard as a 23 year old kid in The Drive By Truckers. Justin Townes Earle put out his first record when he was 24 or 25. Jessica Lea Mayfield and Lydia Loveless both started their careers in their teens with some incredibly well written songs. I believe Steve Earle didn’t release an actual album until he was in his late 20s, but he began his songwriting career at 19. Graham Parsons started in his teens and put out a good amount of material before his death at 26 years old. Evan Felker of the Turnpike Troubadours was 23 when their first record was released. The notion that young people can’t write good country songs is ludicrous. While they might lack life experience, if they’re creative, they can make a song that is engaging to people of all ages.
Jack Williams
November 2, 2015 @ 4:44 pm
While they might lack life experience, if they”™re creative, they can make a song that is engaging to people of all ages.
Here’s a story that’s a good illustration of that. It’s from a benefit concert that Isbell, Hood and Cooley did a little while back. Isbell describes how uninteresting he thought was in his early ’20s and yet he found a way to write Decoration Day based on some stories he’d heard from the old folks. And Outfit is based on advice his Dad used to give him. Those two songs just blew me away when I first heard them on the Decoration Day album (that fat kid I saw play with the Truckers can actually write like that?) and I still love them. And I’m probably right around the same age as Isbell’s parents.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZISA9YAwNXI
Trigger
November 2, 2015 @ 5:20 pm
See, and then you listen to Ward Thomas’s song “Way Back When,” which is about listening to older people, seeking their stories and knowledge about the past, and it’s clear that these girls get it. The criticisms people are levying toward them are things they identify themselves. And then later in the album, they try to write their own deep moments, their own “Decoration Day.”
There’s no question that age an experience can lend to better songwriting. But you can’t assume that just because an artist is young, they don’t have the right life experiences to write a good song. Most songwriters tend to write their most memorable material earlier in their careers because there a passion, and idealism, and the juices of life are just more potent when you’re young.
Trainwreck92
November 2, 2015 @ 9:16 pm
Jack – Decoration Day and Outfit were the very songs I was thinking of when I mentioned Isbell. Those are two of my favorite songs of all time, all genres included. Jason really has a gift for storytelling.
albert
November 2, 2015 @ 7:19 pm
“I am so fed up with the idea that only young people and/or goofy middle aged losers who act like young people can be in Country Music. If we”™re giving out an “of the year award” to somebody who hasn”™t even been of the legal drinking age for the whole year we need to just scrap the system and replace it.”
Fuzzy you make some excellent points ….valid and insightful , of course.I’m not sure the above is one of them .
I see a LOT of value and promise in younger artists who ” get it ” and can tap into the younger demographic with ” it ” rather than with choreography, smoke bombs or a new hair style . These young ladies are coming from a place of passion , conviction and substance and bringing all of their youthful country music influences ,experience, perspectives and God-given talents to the table . They do not seem to be here to ‘ play the game ‘ ( Sam Hunt , Ballerini , TS , Luke Bryan etc etc etc ) as simple pawns for a label tapping into a lowest common denominator to make $$$$ . They seem to have quite a bit to say, given their ages, and they are saying it IN SPITE of trends and what mainstream radio embraces so readily and unquestioningly . Yes …of course they are sonically more contemporary than , perhaps , Gillan Welch , but hell ….electricity changed everything way back when as did Les Paul’s multi-tracking pioneering and so many other useful technologies that have allowed creative vision to be realized by so many . Technologies enable artists options in expressing themselves ….the key words here being EXPRESSING THEMSELVES …not pandering to labels , radio or the casual music listener’s conditioning . Younger artists will always use what they know based on what they’ve been exposed to when creating their own music . And many times the style overcomes any substance , as we all are aware . But if the heart and the experience is honest and the artist is fortunate enough to retain some control over their vision , THAT is what will keep the country genre , in particular , intact and connecting with REAL fans who ” get it “
Eric
November 2, 2015 @ 7:36 pm
For the record, Fuzzy, country music (especially on the male side) is still dominated at the top level by people in their mid-to-late 30s, as we have discussed before.
The only time that anybody under the American drinking age has won any major CMA awards was Taylor Swift in 2009 (Entertainer of the Year, Female Vocalist, and Album of the Year). Maddie and Tae might win some major awards this year, but given their talent for witty songwriting, it’s hard to argue that they don’t deserve it.
ElectricOutcast
November 2, 2015 @ 8:27 am
Pop-Country with a brain? What a concept.
Smokey J.
November 2, 2015 @ 9:32 am
Thanks for introducing us to these ladies. I’ll be sharing this on social media.
raggie
November 2, 2015 @ 11:51 am
Trigger , what’s wrong with you ! These girls are not country ! They probably couldn’t get into the Indie scene in Britain and are now going for the country angel.Ugh.Has the bar been set that low that country is desperate for some interlopers .Isn’t that how pop country got a foothold ?
Trigger
November 2, 2015 @ 12:11 pm
I never said they were country. I went out of my way to say they’re not country. Country pop maybe. My point is these girls would be worlds better than the pop country happening here in the United States. If Ward Thomas symbolized the worst of what country music had to offer, the genre would be saved.
Red Headed Danger
November 2, 2015 @ 12:17 pm
These women have lovely, rich voices. I love the harmonies on the Loretta song. And while some folks are busy googling artists’ life histories to make sure their ages, countries of origin, and backstories are country enough to meet with your approval, I’ll be over here enjoying great music for being great music.
Tiffany
November 2, 2015 @ 12:20 pm
I’m like you Trigger, I enjoy hearing country music coming out of a different country. Ward Thomas has a nice sound and I like their music. In a small way, their harmonies remind me of The Lynns (Loretta Lynn’s twin daughter’s who briefly had a music career).
The Ghost of Buckshot Jones
November 2, 2015 @ 12:52 pm
“Ward Thomas” sounds like the “Earl Dibbles, Jr” equivalent for Chase Rice.
Fuzzy TwoShirts
November 2, 2015 @ 7:45 pm
I would like to apologize for the harsh tone of some of my earlier comments. I got a little steamed over the Maddie and Tae comparison, and I let my distaste get in the way of being constructive down in the comments section.
It’s no secret that I would like to see more maturity and experience in Country Music. But arguing about how slowly people grow up or whether age or creativity is more important or what Earl Scruggs did in the fifties and whether or not Marty Stuart played with him before a certain age benefits nobody, and certainly not Country Music.
I appreciate everybody’s responses, especially the people who corrected me when I had my facts misstated.
Trigger
November 2, 2015 @ 9:30 pm
“It”™s no secret that I would like to see more maturity and experience in Country Music.”
I would too. I think we all would. But I also think we have to nurture younger artists if things are ever going to turn around.
You’re a valued commenter here Fuzzy, and always will be. Even if we disagree.
Zack
November 3, 2015 @ 7:08 am
Not traditional country, but still more country than most things out there. Thank for posting this!
Melanie
November 3, 2015 @ 8:34 am
OK, the thing which worries me most about country music these days-will anyone ever again have the unself-consciousness to ever yodel in a song again? LOL! kd lang, of all people, (actually, that shouldn’t be surprising, she’s absolutely a weird combination of iconoclast and traditionalist) was the last person I ever heard really let loose with the yodeling, and not in a mocking way. ( “Don’t Be A Lemming Polka” is a go-to song when I need an energy boost)
Bear
November 3, 2015 @ 8:56 am
Way Back When is catchy as hell. Get that on country radio now!