The Ethical Compromises of Sturgill Simpson’s Uproxx Interview
So everyone is still in a tizzy about the recent interview with Sturgill Simpson posted on Uproxx by journalist Steven Hyden that went mega viral over the weekend ahead of Sturgill commencing his arena tour with Tyler Childers. Whether you think the interview was awesome, alarming, disgusting, or just entertaining probably depends on the perspective you bring to it (I certainly had mine). But regardless of how any of us feel, there is a very critical point that needs to be underscored and emphasized while anyone is reading it, and it’s one that few are talking about.
It’s very simple. Uproxx is not an independently-owned media entity that just happened to luck upon exclusively landing the most explosive interview of Sturgill Simpson’s career right before the commencement of a big arena tour with plenty of tickets still available on the market. Uproxx is owned by Warner Music Group. Uproxx is owned by Sturgill Simpson’s record label. Steven Hyden—the journalist who conducted the interview—is an employee of Warner Music Group.
The Uproxx interview is a flaming example of conflict of interest and a compromise of journalistic ethics. It should have never conducted or published. Warner Music Group materially benefited from the interview, and specifically because other print outlets were excluded from interviewing Sturgill Simpson prior to the arena tour, and because the nature of the content was so sensational, it went mega viral, generating interest in Sturgill Simpson’s music, the tour, and Uproxx as a media outlet. Also, all other media outlets are being denied press credentials to the Sturgill Simpson tour, as well as interview opportunities.
This was the exact concern many in the media had in August of 2018 when Uproxx was purchased by a Warner Music Group, including Spin who said at the time, “As these business-focused acquisitions of primarily journalistic entities become more common, the new corporate structures raise obvious questions about basic editorial independence.” Granted, this particular instance has less to do with being independent. It has more to do about being opportunistic.
Furthermore, it was clear Sturgill Simpson had a specific agenda and message he wanted to get out in the interview, and Steven Hyden and Uproxx allowed him to serve that agenda to the public unchallenged, even though there were numerous inaccuracies in the things Sturgill Simpson said, numerous times he contradicted himself (like saying his label was screwing him over, but then admitting he screwed them over by funding his anime film they would never recoup their money from), and said some potentially career-damaging things about important people in the music industry such as Dave Cobb, who was not given fair opportunity to respond. Whether Simpson’s motivation was to take a public stab at Dave Cobb and others, was to piss of his record label to the point where they drop him or let him out of his obligations (from my understanding, it was a 2-record deal, but maybe there were options afterwards), either way, it was Sturgill Simpson who controlled the agenda of the interview, not Steven Hyden.
But this is not about Sturgill Simpson. Sturgill had a message he wanted to get out through the media, and got one over on a journalist. It’s not on his shoulders to make sure the tenets of ethical journalism are upheld. Sturgill even says in the interview about music journalism, “It’s all horseshit. You sit down with a bio writer and they write out what this conversation’s going to be for the next year and a half. And then your publicist sends that to fucking everybody, and then (the media) rewrite their version of the same thing, and they publish it to sell advertising … And now you have a narrative.”
This time, Sturgill Simpson controlled the narrative. Good for him, but bad for the media. It’s up to the media to fact check, and to make sure the interview subject is being dealt with objectively. This did not happen in the Uproxx interview at all. For example, in the Uproxx interview, Sturgill Simpson said, “We’re going on a damn-near sold out arena tour. This is literally the first time I’ve lifted a finger to fucking promote the record or the tour.”
Yet Sturgill made multiple public appearances and gave numerous interviews ahead of the release of his latest record Sound & Fury and the tour, including an appearance on the biggest podcast in the world, the Joe Rogan Experience on September 30th, 2019 where he announced the tour, an appearance at an anime convention on July 21st of 2019 where he announced the album, and appearance on the Beats 1 podcast with Zane Lowe where he debuted the first song on the album, among other appearances. Sturgill also played a series of club shows on the east and west coast, and appeared for 1 1/2 hours on the Trillbilly Worker’s Podcast that was released on February 16th. Granted, the Uproxx interview was the only print media Sturgill Simpson did prior to the tour, but it wasn’t “literally the first time I’ve lifted a finger to fucking promote the record or the tour.”
Now I know what some of you are going to say. “But Trig, Sturgill Simpson torched his record label in the interview!” This is true, and is an important point to make. But trust me, Warner Music Group strongly and specifically benefited from this interview, even if it’s only from the money made off the ads on the interview itself. In the words of Sturgill Simpson, the point of music journalism is “to sell advertising,” and Uproxx sold a ton via the interview due to its explosive nature. Not to mention it also foisted Sturgill Simpson’s name to the front of everyone’s social media feeds, put his concert dates right there in front of everyone’s face, and reminded everybody he just released a new record.
Look, take away whatever you want from the Uproxx interview with Sturgill Simpson. Everything said here doesn’t mean there isn’t anything honest or insightful into Sturgill Simpson contained there. But just understand from a more global perspective that everyone approached this interview with an agenda, and its mere publication was a quagmire of conflicts of interests and compromises in journalistic integrity.
In Sturgill Simpson’s recent interview on The Trillbillies podcast, he said, “Kyle at Saving Country Music, he’s literally the first that wrote about me. He’s always been supportive. But then at a certain point, you have to stop calling yourself a journalist and realize you’re just a butthurt obsessed fan boy, and I’m not going to make ‘Metamodern’ [Sounds in Country Music]’ fifteen times.”
But when I wrote a neutral review (not negative) for Sturgill’s recent record, Sound & Fury—this was not relinquishing my role as a journalist and becoming a “fan boy.” This was me upholding my objectivity to not just give Sturgill Simpson a pass on certain elements of a record that even he has said was produced and released to make it virtually unmarketable. Becoming a fan boy would have been to overlook the issues that were independent of any genre concerns, and grade it positively for the popularity it would have garnered. Saving Country Music has still given more positive press to Sturgill Simpson in his career than anyone, and by a long shot. But objectivity is proving your independence even in the face of unpopularity and fandom.
…and for the record, as primarily a commentary and criticism outlet, Saving Country Music doesn’t even conduct interviews with performers aside from in extreme circumstances specifically to avoid making personal connections with performers and potentially compromising journalistic integrity.
You “stop being a journalist” (in Sturgill Simpson’s words) when you allow an interview subject to walk in and control the narrative to push an agenda, or even work with them to this end, while not challenging them on key points, and then post it on an outlet that has very direct conflicts of interest. And this is what Steven Hyden and Uproxx did. And Steven, just like Sturgill, is a popular guy, and lots of people will come to his defense, as well as to the defense of Uproxx, while labeling Saving Country Music as “just a blog.” But at least this blog did not give Sturgill Simpson the keys to the castle, or exhibit a clear conflict of interest.
February 24, 2020 @ 12:10 pm
It doesn’t matter Sturgill is just being a pretentious, arrogant prick. That boy forgot his roots, the reason he is able to do what he is doing. It does not happen without the fans and the support. Just shut up and make better music.
February 24, 2020 @ 12:14 pm
Oh yeah, good article. One thing about Trigger(Kyle), even when he is being shortsighted or acting like a **** he NEVER COMPROMISES HIS INTEGRITY.
February 24, 2020 @ 9:51 pm
Except for that time he wrote this article and didn’t credit Scott the commenter until Scott requested him to. Must’ve been foaming at the mouth to get this thing published- what’s a little journalistic integrity worth when you can appear to have the scoop before everyone else (except Scott).
February 25, 2020 @ 10:46 am
More on this please…
February 26, 2020 @ 4:10 pm
Scott here. I connected some dots that were missing in the original post regarding the relationship between Sturgill’s label, Elektra, and the publication that ran the “salacious” interview, Uproxx, i.e. that they are both owned by Warner Music Group, because I thought it might be fun to offer a little clue to readers. Then, Trigger made this new post devoted to highlighting said relationship and presented it as an original idea without mentioning my comment when it was, in fact, clearly inspired by my original comment. Even if he was aware of the relationship before my comment, he did not take the extra step of connecting the dots in his first post for whatever reason.
It’s OK. I often find that I have additional information related to the things I read on this site. Partly for insider reasons, partly because I am in a position to understand the psychology/motivations of some of these people better than most, and partly from connecting dots that may not seem obvious to others at first. However, I will say that I absolutely meant for my original comment to imply a publicity stunt, while Trigger claims here that that was not his intention in writing this new post.
I can always be reached by email for further input, but simply don’t have the time to devote to running this type of website myself. I prefer to drop in from time to time to leave some additional crumbs.
February 26, 2020 @ 5:46 pm
Hey Scott,
First off, I appreciate you pointing out the relationship between Uproxx and Warner Music. I responded to your original comment to make sure I acknowledged your sharing of this important information, and did so again in this comments section. I certainly didn’t mean any disrespect by not mentioning that you had pointed it out in the comments, it just seemed a little “TMI” to mention it in the article proper. I get tips and such from readers all the time, which I appreciate. Sometimes it feels appropriate to give them credit in an article proper, sometimes it doesn’t. But I’m always appreciative and make sure to acknowledge the tip. It certainly wasn’t my intent to mislead anyone here. Not that it matters, but I did remember the news when it first broke about Universal buying Uproxx, and the reason I included a link from Spin with their opinion on the sale is because that gives an important third party take on the matter. There was much chatter about this when the sale initially happened. I just completely forgot about it by the time the Sturgill Simpson Uproxx article came out. Thanks again for pointing it out.
February 24, 2020 @ 12:20 pm
Despite liking or not liking Sturgill and this interview, this is probably the type of mindset that he (and many other artists) genuinely hate the most.
“Just give me my contrived, romanticized version of a country narrative and I’ll be happy.”
February 25, 2020 @ 8:11 am
It’s all about the music and he is tearing it up on this tour. That whole “roots” thing is all in your mind.
February 25, 2020 @ 10:09 pm
Pretty sure it’s Sturgill Simpson’s politics that piss you country Fanboys off more than anything else.
February 26, 2020 @ 10:26 am
Massive country fanboy and hardcore progressive here.
February 24, 2020 @ 12:26 pm
Butthurt obsessed fan boy?
No, not at all. I just listened, decided I didn’t like it, and went back to my current go-tos, Sabaton and Judas Priest.
Sturgill thinks WAY too much of himself.
February 24, 2020 @ 12:31 pm
I think you missed the word “not” in your final sentence. Big difference!
February 24, 2020 @ 12:32 pm
Trigger, I haven’t agreed with everything you’ve said over the years, and there’s a ton that I have agreed with. But you’re nothing if not an objective journalist with integrity. You’re no “butthurt fanboy.” A lot of the big things you have to write about are potentially damaging for you, like the whole Isbell and Sturgill controversies, but you do it anyways. Keep doing you man.
And as for Sturgill, take notes from Cody Jinks and be a class act who rebels against the system but still acts like he loves what he’s doing, and doesn’t act like a pretentious asshole. Sturg has made some good music but he’s a dick.
March 2, 2020 @ 9:30 am
Couldn’t agree more; well said.
As a long time follower of Sturgill, I find myself like many other fans, close to fed up and over with his self pretentious bullshit. It’s exhausting.
If he hates everything about what he’s doing then quit doing it but stop fucking whining.
February 24, 2020 @ 12:35 pm
Last I heard, Elektra was part of Warner Music Group, not Universal.
February 24, 2020 @ 2:02 pm
Yes, I accidentally transposed Universal for Warner a couple of times while writing this. It’s been corrected.
February 24, 2020 @ 12:39 pm
Maybe just maybe this is all an elaborate publicity grab? Sturghill plays the bad guy the corporate entity that needs to publicize the record and the tour plays along to push the intended narrative. Working the public in the process in a manner that would make Vince McMahon smile!
February 24, 2020 @ 6:52 pm
Memo to TXMUSICJIM:
I keep thinking of Joaquin Phoenix and his alleged “retirement” about a decade ago. Everyone involved in this story is knowingly playing a part and no one is acting in a way that’s 100% authentic. For some reason that escapes me, a major corporation believes that having one of its employees dump on them in public services both sides profitably. I have an MBA but must have cut the class where that logic was explained.
I believe a lot of hip-hop works the same way; those “feuds” between artists are about as believable as an episode of RAW Live.
February 24, 2020 @ 12:43 pm
Dead on the money.
The whole point of having a journalist write the article is so that they can fact check it for the reader, otherwise we don’t need a middle person at all and we can all keep telling bs and insults.
And giving exclusive media coverage to your own team is just plain sketchy
February 24, 2020 @ 12:44 pm
I would bet a good amount of money that this whole thing is completely staged between Sturgill and Warner. His “don’t give a damn” attitude has become his single biggest marketing strategy, and I am guessing that he coordinated with Warner on this whole thing and pre-cleared that he was going to trash them in the “interview”. It seems to have worked, as it’s gotten everyone taking notice. Sturgill can do as he pleases, but I just hope he knows that he isn’t fooling many people with this fake “I’m a badass / fuck the industry and making money / I’m too cool to even like my own music” act. I am guessing he doesn’t care either way, as long as he can continue to laugh all the way to the bank.
February 24, 2020 @ 1:14 pm
I was going to post something very similar to this, and I’m glad you articulated it so I don’t have to. I can imagine the appeal of taking his approach, though. The publicity games successful musicians have to play are surely frustrating, so doing it Sturgill’s way is probably very satisfying for him.
Still, every time I see him in the news I’m tempted to like his music less. Luckily, I can still control that petty impulse.
February 24, 2020 @ 2:07 pm
I don’t think it’s “staged.” Whatever you think about Sturgill, I just don’t think he would be that underhanded. He’s was pretty expressive both in “Sound & Fury” and the interview about his distaste for the music industry. I think that is genuine. But I do think there’s elements of marketing here. Sturgill used Uproxx to get his message out. Uproxx used Sturgill for clicks. Warner used it all for revenue. The most important thing is the public knows what everyone’s affiliations are when reading the interview.
February 24, 2020 @ 1:00 pm
I like Simpson and I like to hear an artist try different things on record… that does mean life for a label is harder because how do you market an artist from one LP to the next if they’re aimed at different audiences? He shouldn’t get the hump over it. He signed to a major, he took the money and for that you have to engage with the “business” part of show-business.
And on a side note, I caught his recent show (a theatre, like he prefers to play) in London and it was NOT good. Maybe the dude had an off night but clearly his is a temperament that blows hot and cold… https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/jan/29/sturgill-simpson-review-forum-london?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
February 25, 2020 @ 7:06 am
yeh, after reading and listening i formed “my own opinion”…… Sturgill now has a good job that goes a little further than paying rent on a trailer and eating mac n cheese…. he got there from a lot of sweat and hard times(classic country story!)….. he CAN do what he wants, at this point…. so he now has the ability to, if i can quote Steve Miller “take the money and run”, and NOT have a single guilty feeling about it…… he EARNED that…… he is “part of that machine” for the benefit of his family !!!! yall get political or “above that ethic” if you want to….. i still support him.
February 24, 2020 @ 1:05 pm
See! Sturgill is the real deal. He don’t take no shit from no one! Screw those suits and their ivory tower boardroom dealings. Independent DIY for life! We don’t need these big record labels and record deals! Let’s stick it to them by buying Sturgill’s new record, tickets for his next sold out big time arena stadium show and stream his new anime! Help make his record label a whole lotta money! That’ll show em! Hell yeah! Sturgill is one of us! Look at what a badass he is calling his label out like that! Sound and fury, baby!
February 24, 2020 @ 1:46 pm
That’s the spirit. I’m getting a Sturg / Uproxx tat right next the one I just got commemorating Rage Against the Machine at Capital One Arena. Fuck the man bruh.
February 24, 2020 @ 2:26 pm
Oh yeah. “Sturg’s Outlaw Fanbois” club. Membership to include a laminated VIP pass for backstage outlaw functions.
February 24, 2020 @ 1:37 pm
None of any of this is surprising. Not his “rebel” yet martyr whiny attitude. Not the nepotism. Not the stans that will be here any moment.
Personally I don’t really expect anything different at this point. The best we can do is mock it and have a laugh.
February 25, 2020 @ 7:45 am
Now this is a good take buddy!
February 25, 2020 @ 8:00 am
I only take credit.
February 24, 2020 @ 1:55 pm
His whole attitude is ridiculous and, quite honestly, downright obnoxious. It reminds me of a concert I went to for Alan Jackson last year. Throughout the concert, Mr. Jackson spoke about his career and how lucky he was to be able to do it for as long as he has. Not once did he come across as being annoyed by that show, or any show, and it was an amazing show from my perspective. I get that some of that is part of his performing, but my point is you don’t see or hear this type of attitude from the true greats.
Sturgill has consistently acted like a whiny, arrogant prick over the past few years. I honestly can’t think of a country singer who acts more entitled than he does. The guy seems more interested in controversy and being a douche than actually making good music.
February 25, 2020 @ 6:08 am
I went to see him for the first(and only) time on the “Sailors Guide” tour in Austin. I liked ASGTE and had high hopes. The tickets were a birthday gift from my wife. He played the entire ASGTE record and then stated “Now I’ll play the shit y’all came to hear” and went on with several other comments basically calling his fans stupid. We got up and left and went to our planned after show early. Jason Boland and the Stragglers in a tiny venue below Sturgills sold out venue. It was the best JB&S show I’ve ever seen(and I’ve seen a few). I thought that night about the difference between an artist staying true to making good music and appreciating his fans and one assuming he is entitled to a lifestyle off the backs of people he seems to despise. I downloaded and listened to Sound and Fury, but I will never BUY another product from Sturgill.
February 25, 2020 @ 7:51 am
I’ve seen comparisons to Ryan Adams attitude. I saw Adams once (never again), and he said, now I’ll play the songs that you guys know. There are too many great artists out there who actually make their fans feel appreciated for me to waste my time or money on these assholes. John Moreland just posted a t-shirt on his Instagram that says Thank You all over it.
February 25, 2020 @ 9:36 am
daniel, you and brian below don’t seem to understand jokes. every touring artist is well aware of the material most people want to hear (the hits) because for most people that’s the only material that they know. sturgill knows a lot of people are there and got on board during his country albums. did he play them well? i sincerely doubt he was calling his fans stupid.
February 25, 2020 @ 2:05 pm
Oh I understand jokes perfectly well and have sat through Chris Knight yelling at the audience/venue owners who were being disrespectful. There was not an element of joking to Sturgill. I go to numerous live shows and will take deep cuts over the hits any day. I don’t have to have a jovial performer either. That’s the only show to date I have ever walked out of and haven’t looked back.
February 24, 2020 @ 1:57 pm
I don’t know that Sturgill is a genuinely bad guy, but he sure has turned into a douche publicly the last few years. The problem with his type of ultra-contrarian provocateur types is they always have to top themselves and be even MORE against everything until they just shit on their own fans and roots like he has been. “I’M AN ARTIST, DON’T YOU DARE TRY TO DEFINE ME OR PUT ME IN A BOX. YOU GUYS LIKED MY COUNTRY, FINE I’M DONE MAKING IT.”- Sturgill Simpson, 2020
February 24, 2020 @ 9:31 pm
Was he quoting Zac Brown?
February 25, 2020 @ 11:34 am
Oh I understand jokes perfectly well and have sat through Chris Knight yelling at the audience/venue owners who were being disrespectful. There was not an element of joking to Sturgill. I go to numerous live shows and will take deep cuts over the hits any day. I don’t have to have a jovial performer either. That’s the only show to date I have ever walked out of and haven’t looked back.
February 24, 2020 @ 2:00 pm
Let me preface this by saying that I’m a fan of Sturgill Simpson and I like Stephen Hyden a lot.
This post is right on. I felt like somewhere in that interview Hyden should have said, “Aren’t you a little concerned that you are coming across as ungrateful …?”. Lots of artists would like to get “screwed over” and have the level of success that you have enjoyed.
The fact that he did not was a failure on his part.
That having been said, I plan on going to see Sturgill next week. Looking forward to it big time!
February 24, 2020 @ 2:33 pm
I think Sturgill’s got some soul searching left to do, but someone just handed him a megaphone instead.
Good article Trigger.
February 24, 2020 @ 2:38 pm
As someone who has been meticulous about what he releases and how it’s released, it’s not surprising at all that Sturgill Simpson would purposely condone or even orchestrate an interview like the one with Uproxx. He’s been exceptional at marketing himself, while casually playing it off his entire career. Why else would he snag the hottest name in the biz to co-headline a tour so he can jam 80s synth alternative tunes to have a little fun? Truthfully I am surprised the songs don’t have more twang to them in a live setting, but the guy is going to do what he’s going to do. Die-hard country fans are going to enjoy TC, hope SS opens with “The Dead Don’t Die” or head on out after the first couple of songs from the S&F setlist.
Regarding the Dave Cobb situation, I really don’t know much about it other than DC’s career really did explode after Metamodern. I know he had career beforehand and he’d made a good name for himself in the industry, but Metamodern was really his big “oh shit” record. Maybe SS feels like DC has been fortunate to ride that wave and maybe SS feels like DC hasn’t been grateful enough for the opportunity to put his name on that album. Maybe SS is just talking shit and DC knew he was going to because it really doesn’t matter at the end of the day. Who knows at the moment?
I don’t really think he slighted Chris Stapleton. CS was simply another artist christened with the “country savior” title with a huge album from the same producer. There’s no doubt CS has benefitted from a mainstream fanbase. I don’t know if that’s CS simply being more comfortable with that popularity (especially having been in Nashville for almost twenty years) or if it really was SS being a dick about mainstream acts/radio. From what I gather, these two guys are friends.
Full disclosure I actually like most of the songs from Sound & Fury. The songwriting is exceptional, just as it has been for all four of his albums. This is the most talented aspect of his artistry, with his voice coming in strong at second. Like I said before, I am surprised the songs aren’t performed differently live, but that’s his choice. I highly doubt he’s completely thrown in the towel on writing and recording country records though. I think this is something he really wanted to do and I assume he thinks this is the right time to do it.
I’ve got my tickets to see them in Austin and I’m hoping for the best.
February 24, 2020 @ 3:09 pm
don’t worry man. it’s going to be a good show. quality of the video aside, the new material is great and so is the old. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEEJcxfRlxc&t=4873s
February 24, 2020 @ 2:43 pm
Jesus Christ! He’s a musician, not a politician. Relax and enjoy.
February 25, 2020 @ 9:38 am
ironically, we have an actual asshole running the country and i’m willing to bet most commenting are fulling on board.
February 25, 2020 @ 10:43 am
See, this conflating of political anger with music is not helpful, and it’s one of the reasons there’s so much acrimony in the air over these issues with Jason Isbell and Sturgill Simpson—Simpson especially seeing how there’s no major political component. If you can cast someone as a Trump supporter, then you can immediately discount their agency as a human being. I know because it’s happened to me numerous times in the last few weeks. But ultimately, this is just a way to end conversation as opposed to start it, and bleed the nuance out of the issue.
February 26, 2020 @ 4:20 am
Why is “this conflating of political anger with music…not helpful” when the criticism is about Great Orange Leader? My guess is that had someone said the same thing about one of the Dems you would not have written any response.
February 24, 2020 @ 3:00 pm
I would like credit for bringing the Warner/Elektra/Uproxx relationship to your attention in the comments section of your original post.
February 24, 2020 @ 3:43 pm
Yes Scott, you deserve credit. I remember reading about this when the acquisition happened, and was going to write a story about it at that time and never got around to it. It is a very important element to this story. I’m still not sure we know where all the pieces fall, but that’s one important part of the puzzle we can’t overlook, especially since otherwise they have put a moratorium on press for this tour.
February 24, 2020 @ 4:45 pm
A moratorium on press? What does that mean? It sounds totally self-defeating. What is the benefit to Simpson or the label?
February 24, 2020 @ 3:03 pm
the two sturgill articles and the recent isbell articles are just such non-stories that it’s confusing. one on a misinterpreted song, two on a blown out of proportion tweet, two critiquing an interview – five articles using more words than the actual interview, tweet and song put together, drumming up… something.
maybe i’m too recent a visitor, but these posts have been fucking draining. as for journalistic integrity, at least most sites put ‘opinion’ at the top of their articles before they start shouting from their soapboxes.
February 24, 2020 @ 3:47 pm
Bingo.
I had to make sure I hadn’t accidentally found my way to Breibart instead of SCM after ready the Isbell and Sturgill articles.
February 24, 2020 @ 4:09 pm
One can always not read.
February 24, 2020 @ 6:09 pm
When you’re confused by a website called “Saving Country Music” not being hard news.
February 24, 2020 @ 6:35 pm
when you don’t even realize you proved the other guy’s point… the posts i mentioned have very little to do with music.
February 24, 2020 @ 6:53 pm
Yes, because pointing out that “Saving Country Music” might be opinionated and get in to ethical debates about the industry and the personalities inside it, is like, checkmate for you bruh.
The domain ionlytalkhardnewsdirectlyaboutmusicandwilltellyouwhenitsmyopinion.com is probably available for you.
February 24, 2020 @ 7:01 pm
did you even read this article? the whole thing is about journalistic integrity. lol.
February 24, 2020 @ 7:12 pm
Along with the dozens of similar articles over the past several years. I’m pretty clear on what’s going on here and what this site often does. But I should be nicer….I won’t make fun of your confusion next time. Sorry bruh! Have a good one.
February 24, 2020 @ 7:28 pm
“maybe i’m too recent a visitor”… guess you didn’t read the post or my comment huh? there’s definitely confusion around here bub.
February 24, 2020 @ 7:58 pm
thegentile
1. Fucking draining? agree to disagree but you can always skip if not interested.
2. Journalistic integrity? Perhaps after you spend some more time on this site you will find it’s one of the most important things to the owner.
Readers come here foaming at the mouth for “inside baseball”. We don’t all have to read every article. (Although I try) No need to bust Trigg’s balls for giving too much info on his own website.
Hopefully you stick around. Most of us are respectful, even in disagreement.
Hammo
February 24, 2020 @ 8:13 pm
Also, Trigger…
Here’s hoping Hannah Jaunita featuring Sierra Ferrell-Our Love is Done is Top 25 bound soon
February 24, 2020 @ 3:07 pm
Great piece, Trigger. I was taken aback by the fact that the Uproxx interviewer didn’t dig deeper or challenge Sturgill on anything, at all. Like, why is Sturgill so upset with his label? There was absolutely nothing specific mentioned in the interview to justifying that narrative from Sturgill. Maybe that was intentional.
As you stated (Trig), the fact that both Sturgill and Uproxx share the same corporate bosses is highly suspect. The whole interview can be interpreted as Sturgill “fightin’ the man”, but all I read were age-old cliches and tropes about the biz, nothing specific, framing Sturgill as some sort of “renegade” which, in and of itself, creates a highly marketable persona. In fact, on most other music sites and blogs where the Uproxx article was mentioned or reposted, commenters (over and over) kept saying, and I paraphrase – “Sturgill’s a badass! I was on the fence before, but I just just bought my tickets to the tour!”
There’s not doubt that interview helped sell a few more concert tickets and albums, among a very specific type of music fan – the kind that falls for style over substance, the cult of personality over genuine talent. Sturgill’s got talent, for sure, but hes’ drinking his own kool-aid, and so are a lot of his fans.
February 24, 2020 @ 3:14 pm
“Kyle at Saving Country Music, he’s literally the first that wrote about me. He’s always been supportive. But then at a certain point, you have to stop calling yourself a journalist and realize you’re just a butthurt obsessed fan boy, and I’m not going to make ‘Metamodern’ [Sounds in Country Music]’ fifteen times.”
Is “butthurt obsessed fany boy” how any of us would write about the first adult to support our music careers?
What a graceless, no-class prick.
February 24, 2020 @ 4:09 pm
Yeah, it seems to me he has muddled the journalist and fan boy roles. Apparently journalists aren’t allowed to say anything negative. I’ve always thought Trigger was at the very least fair with SS. Heck, he gave Sailor’s Guide 1 3/4 guns up; if you’re apt to get “butt hurt” over genre bending, Sailor’s Guide would’ve been cause sufficient for that. Now, if Trigger had obliged the folks expecting 2 guns up for Sound and Fury, that would’ve been fan boy behaviour. And 2 guns down could maybe have passed for “butt hurt” fan boy behaviour. As it was, I thought 1 gun up was a good effort at striving for balance.
February 24, 2020 @ 4:11 pm
Here’s the closing of Trigger’s review of the follow-up to Metamodern, ASGTE. Doesn’t sound butthurt to me.
So no, Sturgill Simpson will not be a country music savior. That ship, as they say, has sailed. And had a long time ago if you had been paying attention.
But A Sailor’s Guide to Earth is a good album, a valiant follow up to Metamodern Sounds in Country Music, and is yet another solid offering in an impressive and growing musical career for one of America’s and roots music’s most unique, interesting, and diverse artists.
1 3/4 of 2 Guns Up (8/10)
February 24, 2020 @ 3:33 pm
Just stop, Kyle.
February 24, 2020 @ 4:24 pm
But by all means don’t “just stop” telling other people what to do….it’s fun to watch.
February 24, 2020 @ 3:40 pm
A fan of Sturgill and Steven Hyden, but really appreciate this article, Trigger. It’s a damn slippery slope, and I don’t like when journalism even gives the appearance of not being objective. The disclaimer about the relationship between the parties should have been at the top of the article, not the bottom.
February 24, 2020 @ 4:02 pm
That Uproxx interview was interesting, especially his comments about High Top Mountain being too slick and commercial. Didn’t Sturgill break up Sunday Valley and become a solo artist during pre-production for that album, after deciding that he preferred the Nashville studio process with using session musicians? There was an article about that on this website. Then he went from Thirty Tigers to a major label, which is he complaining about now. He specifically chose all of the things he is lamenting, when other viable alternatives were previously available.
February 24, 2020 @ 4:31 pm
Part of the reason everyone is in a tizzy is that you were the first to sensationalize the Uproxx article and then others felt the need to spread the conversation about “Sturgill is an Asshole.” So the original article brought up some points that are worth looking further into. Such as the Electra Records connection which you had speculated about in the past possibly being problematic for original Atlantic artists. You could expand on that. Or the control of producers and labels… the very fact that Dave Cobb, bless his heart who was not, by the way, personally attacked, did create this Waylon persona for Sturgill which has down the line created the haters we see now because Sturgill has in their mind turned his back on something that was not of his own making in the beginning. These are real conversations we could be having here instead of an immature hate fest. I would also think, “marketable” or not, Sound & Fury has gotten mostly stellar reviews from the critics and ended up on a lot of year end favorite lists of fans of all kinds of music and that you would by now admit that your review was not exactly neutral.
February 24, 2020 @ 5:14 pm
Careful.. You see the same people on the way up that you see on your way down..
February 24, 2020 @ 5:26 pm
This is and will continue to be the only country music web site I read, precisely because of the journalistic integrity- even though I don’t agree with all the choices of critiquing being critiqued I find it honesty refreshing. It’s a rarity in today’s world.
Oh, I wouldn’t walk across the street to see that simpson guy or jason who free of charge.
Neither of them are good enough to lick the boots of Cody Jinks or any of the predecessors of the music.
But, I’d pay to hear Trigger (Kyle) speak!
BTW, I ordered a Cody Jinks vinyl today for my oldest son’s birthday
February 24, 2020 @ 5:29 pm
Saw the opening night of the tour in Birmingham. I bought my ticket to hear as much of Sound and Fury as he would play. He covered the entire album in sequence front to back. His voice and guitar and his band didn’t miss a note. About thirty minutes into the show people started leaving. Their loss. I would see him again warts and all
February 24, 2020 @ 5:56 pm
A lack of journalistic ethics in today’s culture is so prevalent. We see this in the blatant bias especially of the liberal media. Sorry folks, Trump did not cause it. He exposed it.
As in reference to ole Sturg, he personifies a typical liberal, especially in the entertainment industry. Don’t do as I do, do as I say.
Anyone want to hop onboard the private jet to go to the latest climate change conference? What’s good for the liberal elite is not good for everyone else. Isn’t that right Bernie?
Don’t be fooled if you are. Ole Sturg looks out for Sturg. His marketing scheme can suck enough in to prop him up.
February 24, 2020 @ 6:11 pm
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February 24, 2020 @ 6:47 pm
A lack of journalistic ethics in today’s culture is so prevalent. We see this in the blatant bias especially of Fox News. Sorry folks, Trump didn’t cause it. But he does benefit from it.
As in reference to ole Trump, he personifies a typical conservative, especially in the entertainment industry (reality television star). Don’t do as I do, do as I say.
Anyone want to hop onboard the private jet to go to Mar-a-lago so the tax payer can line my pockets? What’s good for the conservative elite is not good for everyone else. Isn’t that right wayne?
Don’t be fooled if you are. Ole Trump looks out for Trump. His marketing scheme can suck enough in to prop him up.
February 24, 2020 @ 6:03 pm
By the way, this website (Trigger) does a GREAT job of being balanced. Wish more would do the same.
February 24, 2020 @ 7:36 pm
I post this as a line and hook to bring the liberals out of the weeds. Works ever time.
February 25, 2020 @ 6:38 am
Hi Wayne-
Just a reminder this isn’t about politics- keep your FB bullshit talking points off this sight. Weak ass gleeful political baiting is one of the more depressing and useless aspects of our current society, and needs to be dealt with like you do a petulant toddler.
It’s hard reading articles about articles about articles about opinions. Also hard when artists we like switch it up. For me, the 80’s were about hearing my favorite country artists singing over awful 80’s tones, bad drums, synths, electric pianos and solid state amps. Simpson’s move away from his version of country is actually quite typical these days- a move towards Americana/rock/soul in follow up albums.
February 24, 2020 @ 8:22 pm
It’s funny that SS has anything to say about journalists when he was a guest of Joe Rogan, who is the definition of letting guests control the agenda unchallenged.
February 24, 2020 @ 9:33 pm
Excuse me? What the f*ck does Sturgill “owe” anyone? It’s interesting to read articles he’s been interviewed for and/or listen to podcasts -but this is not life or death- people! Like his music or don’t like his music. Buy it or don’t buy it, go to his shows or don’t go to his shows. There are plenty of us that love his entire body of work and love seeing him play live. Personally, I’ll be totally psyched if he takes a stab at producing a hip hop album. Who else has the talent or the balls to pull that off? I think he’s a creative genius. He can write and play anything and his band is insanely talented. He (and his band) obviously have been influenced by a ton of different styles of music and I find that to be kick ass!
February 24, 2020 @ 10:35 pm
You didn’t even know Uproxx was owned by Warner til someone told you in the comment section of your last Sturgill article. Just let all this go. You’re overthinking everything too much. Doubt Sturgill cares if he burned any future relationship with Cobb, and he mentioned the tour on a podcast 5 months ago and on some podcast no one’s ever heard of last week, so that’s still not much finger lifting. Get back to some investigative journalism like tracking down Luke Bell LOL.
February 26, 2020 @ 10:25 am
“You didn’t even know Uproxx was owned by Warner til someone told you in the comment section of your last Sturgill article.”
That’s kind of the whole point, no? The relationship of the parties should have been disclosed as part of full transparency.
” You’re overthinking everything too much.”
Perhaps you are underthinking things?
I do not expect much or think I am owed much by artists beyond basic gratitude.
February 26, 2020 @ 11:26 am
Yeah, the idea that it’s not a concern that Uproxx is owned by Warner because I didn’t know about it beforehand is about the best example of shooting the messenger because you can’t refute the message I can come up with. Look, I’m already hated by wide swaths of the internet. It is of no injury to me to become even more hated by some people. It’s the truth that matters, and what always prevails.
February 24, 2020 @ 11:18 pm
Trig, I’ve been around here for years. You are anything but a fanboy. One reason I keep coming back is because you do a good job of walking a fine line and being fair in what you write. I’m not sure what you consider yourself – blogger? journalist? – but I don’t think it matters. There may be many issues in today’s news media/journalism/etc., but this little corner of the internet has, for my money, as much integrity as anywhere. Keep up the good work, sir,
February 25, 2020 @ 12:05 am
Look, frankly it’s a whole lot of noise and I couldn’t care less. I think people are getting way too caught up in the drama of this. From what I can tell from the videos I’ve seen of the US tour Sturgill and his band are looking like one of the tightest rock groups out there right now, and if he’s trying to tank his label and/or his stardom, I just don’t really care. Sure, it may not be for everybody, especially readers of this site (I’m probably the minority on this, and I’m not saying he was right about Kyle, he wasn’t) but if the live show is as good as anybody out there, what does an inflammatory interview count for? Giving it press only increases its influence, and I just don’t love seing take down articles on him and Jason Isbell, kinda puts me off this site. I love how you highlight really good leaser know artists, but Kyle, even if you’re making valid points in these heavily critical articles, to what point does it serve aside from furthering the drama (the journalistic criticisms notwithstanding though, I think there’s definitely important points to be made there).
February 25, 2020 @ 1:39 am
In recent years we’ve seen well-known musicians seize their own narratives quite a bit through a variety of means — be it connecting with fans directly on social media, working with media outlets that are basically PR firms, or even bending once-highly regarded companies to their will (Beyonce essentially guest-edited an issue of Vogue a year and a half ago).
While I’m sympathetic to the plights of independent music journalists and do want objectively rendered profiles of the artists I love, there’s simply less and less benefit for musicians to open themselves up for a big cover story written by a potentially critical journalist. Sturgill benefits more from fawning interviews or glowing reviews than he does bad press, and I do think he’s right to point out that Trigger’s vision for country music is one of stagnation, which isn’t creatively exciting for tons of artists.
I ultimately finding in empowering that musicians are able to present themselves the way they want to be presented, even if that means the coverage of them is slightly less real than it once was.
February 25, 2020 @ 11:46 am
” I do think he’s right to point out that Trigger’s vision for country music is one of stagnation, which isn’t creatively exciting for tons of artists.”
It’s this misunderstanding about my opinion that has led to so much conflict. I do believe that country music should evolve. I do think artists should feel compelled to test its limits. That is why I think so much of Metamodern Sounds,” I said it was the greatest album of the last decade. That’s why I’ve pushed records from people like Billy Strings, or even an artist like Kalie Shorr. I do believe it’s important to try and preserve the roots of country, and I’m not going to apologize for that. I also think it’s totally fair if people don’t want to like a Sturgill record because it isn’t country. They’re country fans, and that’s their taste. But the reason I had issues with “Sound & Fury” was not because it wasn’t country. It was because based off of gradients that cross all genres of music, some elements of the record were troubling, and I backed this up with very sound logic. You can disagree of course, but my issue with “Sound & Fury” was not that it wasn’t country. That ship had sailed well before we heard a peep from the record.
February 25, 2020 @ 2:30 pm
She’s in the news for controlling her narrative ATM in fact – for the Kobe event. I guess she’s never heard of the Streisand effect.
I don’t like Buzzfeed for the most part, but they stood up to her “requests” at least.
We can still find rare examples of integrity out there.
February 25, 2020 @ 6:13 am
I don’t know much about “The Industry”. I really don’t know what’s owned by whom. I know very little about journalistic measures of integrity. None of that is in my wheelhouse; I know my area of occupation extremely well, and the music industry is not that area. I know generally what Independent country music and what Big labels are. And, I know that Pop Country sucks and I rarely listen to any music on the traditional radio. But I know a couple of things and this is where Simpson is a prick and it will affect my listening habits after seeing what he has said. Many comments here and in the other SCM article will go deeper and pontificate, turning it into philosophy or whatever, but someone like me will just turn my brain off at someone who insults his fans. I see this similar to Isbell’s comments. Just shut your mouth, think less of yourself, and be grateful. Doesn’t mean you cannot have an opinion, just temper it and remember folks want to enjoy your output.
I have liked Simpson’s music very much before the last album, which I think is just messy noise, which is what I think he was aiming for, based upon what he said about it before its release. That’s fine, because he has the freedom to make whatever he wants. However, acting like this just shows he doesn’t give a crap about fans, people who have supported him, or folks like me who have gone out of their way to share his music with friends who otherwise would have never listened to his music, which utlimately pays his his bills and builds his wealth. There are too many quality artists out there that are generally appreciative of their base and those like SCM that played a role in advancing them to spend time and money rewarding a jerk like this.
February 25, 2020 @ 3:34 pm
See, I 100% disagree with this type of thinking. These artists do not owe me a damn thing. It is their talent and hard work that makes them successful. They shouldn’t be grateful for me being a fan. I am grateful to be alive at a time when I can enjoy their music and see them play live. If they want to say thanks for being a fan, cool. I don’t care one way or the other.
February 26, 2020 @ 6:19 am
I see your point and can agree with you to a point. I guess, my point that I was making – not very well – was that, regardless of how the ‘system’ works, insulting people who support you is just not right. He’s taking this contrarian attitude to an extreme and it’s just off-putting, especially if he’s cashing checks from The Man. But, yes, you are right in that he’s free to act however he wants. But, so are we.
February 26, 2020 @ 10:24 am
Yeah, I definitely get the insulting the fans part. Personally, I don’t feel insulted but it’s not up to me to decide how someone else may feel. So point well taken. There just seems to be this cult of folks who think musicians, athletes, etc owe all of their success to fans.
February 25, 2020 @ 8:18 am
I learned long ago not to take anything musicians say about themselves very seriously. I only care about the music and Sturgill is out there tearing it up night after night which is all I really care about. So what if his latest album is not his best? I look forward to seeing the tour of the year next month in Austin.
February 25, 2020 @ 10:32 am
This site deals in their opinions and there’s no room for any other. Journalism has been dead for years and the music industry is and has been a joke, as far as being ethical and not being self serving. Look iHeart and their monopoly on radio or Livenation/ticketmaster. The whole thing is a charade and has ruined all music genres.
February 25, 2020 @ 10:33 am
I’m with Sturgill and I think what you see is what you get.
February 25, 2020 @ 2:34 pm
I’m confused… I still see your comment.
February 25, 2020 @ 10:42 am
I think it’s peculiar that I only hear people talk shit about SS online. Everyone else I talk to, whether it be a stranger or friend, loves him, or at least likes him. It’s like those folks who think the world is on fire because their Twitter feed is, but in reality, those numbers, those fires, are a minute representation of what’s actually going on. I think it probably sucks being an artist who succeeds to a certain level, thinking they’re on their way, only to find that it’s a shit show, and they have backstage passes. I’ve read mostly everything here, and while your observations may ring true based on a few internet searches, the backstory, or the information that you do not have; that which is impossible for you to know unless you’re in SS’s inner circle, probably explains away a lot of your attempts to castigate his words and actions. I like Sturgill’s perspective.
February 25, 2020 @ 1:47 pm
I’m elated to see that so many folks are finally turning on that hack. I mean, obviously I wish it were because everyone stopped listening through the filter of low expectations, and finally realized what a terrible singer and writer he is, but as long as his popularity wanes, I’ll take it.
February 25, 2020 @ 6:09 pm
Wow, its clear the majority of posters here did not hear Sturgill’s words in the interview or his past interviews on Rogan. He has always had a problem with the machine. Hes a torn artist obsessed with the creative process, Im glad because I get the music he makes. Not a sellout, I see him as trying to be as honest as possible in an industry that steals your soul. This is way different thinking than the music 90% of the posers here listen to, so its understandable you see the comments that just dont understand what he seems to be saying…everything is played out now thanks to the internet, there is no underground scene left that doesnt get blown out…its all social media and bullshit…burn it down.
February 25, 2020 @ 11:46 pm
“This is way different thinking than the music 90% of the posers here listen to.”
The wild-eyed assumptions coming from recently-minted Sturgill Simpson fans (along with the judgement) is not doing themselves or Sturgill any favors.
February 26, 2020 @ 9:08 am
Judgement? Assumptions? I think I was referring to the judgement I read in the comments from all the Stagecoach fans. Yes, I am assuming 90% of the commenters are top 40 listeners that don’t get what hes saying, actually his message seems to be clear if you have followed him and listened to his interviews over the last 5 years. We have different opinions on this, thats all, I see Sturgill’s point of view as very valid considering the current music industrys actions.
February 26, 2020 @ 10:04 am
Stagecoach fans? Assuming that the commenters here are top 40 listeners? You sure you’re posting to the right site? This site started writing about Sturgill Simpson in 2011.
February 26, 2020 @ 11:31 am
Jason,
Who you think I am and the readers of this site are is the exact opposite of reality. Furthermore, comments like yours and others in this comments section, just continue to underscore the rabid misunderstanding at the heart of this matter that has resulted in so much conflict. Nobody, NOBODY has given Sturgill Simpson more positive press, has covered his career longer or more in-depth than myself. And those Stagecoach acts you’re referring to, nobody has put more negative ink out on them in history. I totally understand that you and others may not be familiar with this site or the community around it, and that’s something myself and others should be understanding about. But the wild-eyed judgements and assumptions are not helping anyone’s cause.
February 25, 2020 @ 6:57 pm
Some of these comments … Whining fucking (insert PC correctness) As a 43 yr old Gen X’er, I was brought to Sturgills music b/c of lyrical depth and sound and message. Maybe some of you don’t really know what it’s like to go through life and NOT GIVE A FUCK WHAT ANYONE THINKS. I have and still do. I believe Sturgill feels this way. Sorry if some of think image means anything at all. To those that don’t, I nod to you and we laugh at the rest. Won’t even comment on the amateur BS of this article.
February 26, 2020 @ 8:04 am
I can really tell from this non-comment that you go through life NOT GIVING A FUCK. You’ve made it CRYSTAL CLEAR. Yeah… you go, TEAM NOT GIVING A FUCK STURG!!!
February 25, 2020 @ 9:37 pm
Sturgill is a creative person. To me your criticism could have struck a cord with him and in turn he made some comments about you. But given the current circumstances, you are no longer an objective journalist, you are part of your own story with your own agenda. I started reading your article objectively but as soon as I saw the quote Sturgill made about you I understood what the article was about. To everyone attacking Sturgill, quit listening then. You’re all the gossiping little fucks that have always run your mouths but four years ago you were bragging to your friends about this cool musician you thought would give you some credit. You chose to read this and listen to his music. If you don’t like it, fuck off, quit talking shit.
February 26, 2020 @ 10:32 am
Based on your advice, shouldn’t Sturgill… if he doesn’t like it… maybe just f off and quit making music?
February 26, 2020 @ 8:22 am
Wow, what a bunch of dipshits. This article really helped the Warner label even more. Just sit down, shut up and crank sturgill up to eleven. Just saying, this is by far the dumbest shit I’ve read in a while. Thank you for Stealing these few minutes from my life. WTF.
February 27, 2020 @ 5:52 pm
Any press is good press. A Grammy winning artist know for controversial views on the music industry gave your blog a shout out. He kinda built you up and cut you down at the same time. I laughed when I heard it on Trillbilly.
February 27, 2020 @ 6:03 pm
P.S. I totally dig this site. Frequent visitor. Y’all turned me on to mike and the moonpies.