Unpacking From the Release of Justin Timberlake’s New Single “Filthy”
Warning: Some language
“I’m going to enjoy watching you eat your own shit Trig now that Timberlake’s released a new song and it’s complete pop EDM bullshit and not country!”
Yeah, everybody just chill the hell out for just a second. This is only one song from a release that will have 16 tracks. And he’s a pop star, so of course he’s going to release the most pop-sounding, commercially-viable song from the record first. That’s the point of a lead single—to get everyone to pay attention, just like you are right now, whether you like it or not. Country artists regularly release their most pop songs as lead singles too.
None of this means that Timberlake’s upcoming record Man of the Woods won’t have any country or roots music on it all all. Maybe it won’t. Maybe it will, but it will all suck. We really have no idea. It’s not like the hypothesis that his new album would include some country songs was surmised by wetting our fingers and sticking them in the air and making wild-eyed assumptions. Timberlake’s primary producer Timbaland said as much in an interview, and even put out the effort to acquire digs in Nashville to help Timberlake with the project. Timberlake himself has said he wants to make a country record, and one that embodies his Tennessee roots, and every indication is that Man of the Woods will be that record. The only question left is just how country and roots it will actually be, and right now we have 10% or less of the music we need to make that determination, at best.
Look, this discussion is not bred from some star-struck fascination with Justin Timberlake “going country,” at least not from myself. There is a reason this is of such pressing importance to the country genre. What we have 100% confirmed is that Chris Stapleton will appear on Timberlake’s new record as one of the primary collaborations. So if all the country “rumors” about Man of the Woods are all false, how did this one come true?
The other piece of information that has been confirmed in the last few days is the Chris Stapleton was the best-selling country artist in all of 2017, and by a mile, including beating out Luke Bryan, Florida Georgia Line, and even Sam Hunt despite his historic, mammoth single “Body Like a Backroad.” Chris Stapleton had the #1 and #2 best-selling albums in 2017 with Traveller and From a Room Vol. #1, and that doesn’t account for the December release of From A Room: Vol. 2. And by the way, those sales numbers also account for track-equivalent numbers from downloads and streaming. So that means Stapleton pulled this off not just with pure album sales. By almost double, Stapleton was the biggest artist in country music for the second year running.
And what is owed to all of the Chris Stapleton success? It can very easily be zeroed in on the collaboration between Stapleton and Timberlake at the 2015 CMA Awards. That was the moment when the calculus of mainstream country music changed entirely. That’s when radio ceased to be the primary economic driver in the industry, and quality began to take a step forward. That moment has already gone down in country music history whether you were personally enthralled with it or not, and over two years later, it is still propelling an upsurge of positive momentum for Stapleton and other quality artists in country music, even in this here-and-now media and entertainment environment.
That is why it is of tantamount importance what the hell Justin Timberlake is doing with his new record, and why it would be irresponsible for people whose job it is to keep up with country matters to ignore it. Maybe Man of The Woods will have virtually no country on it at all. Maybe it will include a Chris Stapleton single that will be released to radio, and completely overhaul the radio system, just like Stapleton (and Timberlake) did with album sales and awards show wins. Maybe it will have three country music singles that will be released to radio, be of good quality, and completely eradicate any notion of Bro-Country for the foreseeable future. Maybe it will completely bomb. We just don’t fucking know.
What we do know is this lead single “Filthy” is hot garbage. Disjointed, damaged, lacking any flow or direction, it’s just some weird electronic robotic bullshit for electronic bullshit’s sake. Timberlake’s last single “Can’t Stop The Feeling!” from the Trolls soundtrack was incredibly bubble gum, but it least it had a groove. And if you have kids, grandkids, or nieces or nephews, I know you heard that damn song 100 times in the last year, and it probably became a guilty pleasure, at least until the ubiquitousness ultimately made it entirely annoying.
But “Filthy’s” got nothing. Perhaps Timberlake is betting on his ability to create his own style trends, or perhaps like Taylor Swift, it doesn’t matter what he releases. He’s Justin Timberlake, so it will shoot to #1, not matter the quality or appeal, even if it eventually takes a precipitous fall afterwards. But frankly, none of this foretells what effect Man of the Woods will have on country, if it will have any effect at all. As has been pointed out before, when Timberlake released the song “Drink You Away” as a country single after the 2015 CMA Awards and it utterly failed (though without any real support behind it), perhaps Timberlake got cold feet on the country direction both he and his producer Timbaland were on record talking about.
Take “Filthy” with a grain of sand. Whatever its fortunes are in the pop world are of no business to country. It’s whatever else is looming on Man of the Woods, and especially the collaboration with Chris Stapleton, that should continue to have you intrigued, or worried, whatever your disposition on Timberlake might be.
Wallace
January 5, 2018 @ 11:38 am
He was never going to make a full on country album, not at first at least. Wait till his song with Stapleton goes big on the charts and then he’ll do a country album. Right now pop is his bread and butter. This will be an eclectic album and probably pop album of the year if Filthy and Can’t Stop The Feeling and his song with Stapleton are any indication of what he’s been working on.
RD
January 5, 2018 @ 11:49 am
Is he still married to Britney Spears?
Jay
January 5, 2018 @ 3:51 pm
lol
Lil Dale© savin country music comentar of the yeer 2018
January 5, 2018 @ 7:10 pm
fare play trigg come on now boy u aint evan sed nuthin about sugar lands anownsment of there new toer 2018r why is it u find all the time in the wurld to rite yur storys about yankees like justin timerlake but no menten of sugar land huh well all rite u mite not like it but jenafer nettalls is doin a lot more to save country then commys lke rd
Bo Fiddley
January 6, 2018 @ 8:17 am
Nah, that son of a bitch stole my wife, Jessica Biel. And I’m still pretty pissed about it.
RD
January 6, 2018 @ 8:20 am
I can imagine few things less desirable than being married to a celebrity. You dodged a bullet.
Grady Smith
January 5, 2018 @ 11:49 am
Since this is Track #1, I’m wondering if this disc is going to be an evolution from super robotic/techno type stuff to more rooted/acoustic as it goes on. That could actually be super cool — a walk from the city into the woods.
FeedThemHogs
January 5, 2018 @ 12:12 pm
Yes, quite the intriguing prospect, but I’d rather listen to an album by someone who is actually ‘from the woods’ so to speak and knows what to do when they get there.
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 3:04 pm
Well, you can’t get any less rootsy or “earthy” as this, and there is a reason he released it first and sequenced it #1 on the track list.
Mike Blackwell
January 5, 2018 @ 12:29 pm
So Waldo on ecstasy is the next big thing? Count me out.
seak05
January 5, 2018 @ 12:31 pm
A) this JT song is terrible even if you’re an EDM fan (and I’ll be honest I’m not)
B) I just want the country world to treat JT and Beyonce in the same manner (be it praise or skepticism).
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 3:09 pm
It’s not how country treated Beyonce, it was the presumptions that preceded her one non-country “country” song delivered by her toadies in the media. Basically if country music didn’t give her Song of the Year and Female Vocalist of the Year, there was only one clear reason: racism. Because anything Beyonce does is the best that has ever been. The Associated Press set up the expectation of Beyonce winning CMA Awards before her song had been out for 24 hours. If someone says, “Justin Timberlake should win CMA Awards,” then this will be an apples to apples comparison. But of course that will never happen, because that would be ludicrous. Just like it was with Beyonce.
Aggc
January 5, 2018 @ 12:51 pm
This song has me missing Walker Hayes.
No, I’m kidding. They both suck…
JB-Chicago
January 5, 2018 @ 1:53 pm
Please don’t embarrass yourself by comparing these 2 men.
Aggc
January 5, 2018 @ 2:08 pm
Alrighty…
Chad Perry
January 6, 2018 @ 10:46 am
Still more country than Walker Hayes. And more talented, even if this song doesn’t display any of his vocal talent whatsoever
Benny Lee
January 5, 2018 @ 1:08 pm
LOL
This is so bad, not country in the slightest, not even “rootsy” in any way.
The minute or so of video was kind of entertaining I guess…
I’m also wondering why JT gets a pass when Beyonce doesn’t. The music is at least as appalling to my country ears…
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 3:11 pm
Who is giving Justin Timberlake a pass? It’s not even a fair side by side comparison. Justin Timberlake did not call this a country song. Nor has anyone in the media.
Benny Lee
January 5, 2018 @ 4:04 pm
I don’t think you’re giving him a pass, Trigger.
There have been many comments around here lately about the positive potential of a JT “country” album vs widespread vitriol over Beyonce when that BS went down.
In my view the two are equally qualified to give us a good country album…
Klaus
January 6, 2018 @ 2:50 am
Under the same circumstances I’d be just as excited about an upcoming Beyoncé album. There is just no indication that Beyoncé is working on actual country songs. Or is she?
Benny Lee
January 6, 2018 @ 7:37 am
So all it takes is for JT and Timbaland to make a few comments a while back about maybe making a country record, and suddenly people are excited about it? JT is not and has never been a country artist. What real evidence is there that what he’d make would even remotely resemble good or country music?
I prefer to take the “not wait and see” approach: if he comes out with an album, or even a song, that blows my socks off, great; but it’s on him to prove me wrong.
Klaus
January 6, 2018 @ 8:06 am
At least there’s his collaboration with Stapleton.
But if Beyoncé were to release an allegedly “earthy” country/roots album, I and many others would be excited too. We’ve just never had this situation.
Benny Lee
January 6, 2018 @ 1:22 pm
I see your point. I agree that if the unimaginable were to happen, and it was actually both good music and country, I’d be excited for it too.
Guess we just disagree on the entry point for excitement. ????
Bill Weiler
January 5, 2018 @ 1:19 pm
“It’s whatever else is looming on Man of the Woods, and especially the collaboration with Chris Stapleton, that should continue to have you intrigued, or worried, whatever your disposition on Timberlake might be.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uHBFiAnpZs
Klaus
January 6, 2018 @ 8:03 am
At least there’s his collaboration with Stapleton.
But if Beyoncé were to release an allegedly “earthy” country/roots album, I and many others would be excited too. We’ve just never had this situation.
Klaus
January 6, 2018 @ 8:04 am
Sorry, replied to the wrong posting.
Julie
January 5, 2018 @ 1:39 pm
I know this isn’t the “Worst of 2017” post, but I thought I’d post some particularly really bad “country” songs from 2017 I dug up:
LONG LIVE LOVE – Leann Rimes (Yes, this was promoted to country radio! Is she
trying to be Taylor Swift??) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5W4QZrGp_o
MY HOUSE – Scott Brothers feat. Eric Paslay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1-ud_pedTM
THE NEXT ALDEAN SHOW – Ry Bradley (Nov 2017) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY2VDOcblFc
BACK – Matt Gary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwup-dY60fI
YOUNG AMERICANS – Colt Ford feat. Charles and Josh Kelley (Sep 2017) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unoGoaR2bw8
GUNS AND ROSES – Drew Baldridge (Aug 2017) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7X6kwnZ8oU
DIXIE CHASER – Brandon Maddox https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvV_2uWILlk
BREAK OUT THE ROWDY – Michael Lynne (Jun 2017) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KiEvmcd404
I WANT IT THAT WAY (yep, the Backstreet Boys song) – SaraBeth (Apr 2017) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhNErn3AWa0
ACT LIKE YOU DON’T – Brooke Eden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVWcjSHU1rY
Desperado Destry
January 5, 2018 @ 1:42 pm
When I was growing up my mother always told me “be careful what you wish for”. A lot of us wished that Taylor Swift would go away (myself included) and she did. Now look who we have. I woke up this morning wishing we had Taylor back (and before anyone lays into me I’m NO fan of hers and know she didn’t help the genre) but guess what… we knew what the hell we had! Timberlake is a “country boy” but brings out a booty shaking futuristic robot?! If this is what his “country album” is gonna be like with the Stapleton collaborations and all… then we just lost any hope for the salvation of country music.
Bill Weiler
January 5, 2018 @ 2:02 pm
Don’t lose hope. There’s a whole lot of great country music out there, with more being made all the time. But if you are pinning the salvation of country music to what gets played on “Commercial Country Radio” forget it.
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 3:14 pm
This is not a country song. Justin Timberlake is not a country artist. Nobody is presenting this song as a country song.
Desperado Destry
January 5, 2018 @ 3:41 pm
I wasn’t insinuating that “Filthy” was a country song. All I’m saying is that if Justin makes his whole album in this style and tries to pull it off as country… we’re in trouble.
Joe
January 5, 2018 @ 10:07 pm
And a non country article about a non country song by a non country artist ended up on SCM because????
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 10:17 pm
Because for two years we’ve been hearing about this country record from Justin Timberlake.
And by the way, this is my website, and I’ll write about whatever the fuck I want to write about.
hoptowntiger94
January 5, 2018 @ 2:00 pm
I lasted to the :58 mark.
I haven’t read this much about Timberlake in all my life.
Charlie
January 6, 2018 @ 5:16 am
I listened to the :00 mark. I am not that curious about some Mickey Mouse ™ artist.
His duet with Stapleton only carried so much weight for so long. What have you done for me lately, JT?
Corncaster
January 5, 2018 @ 2:17 pm
MTV published one of Timberlake’s “upcoming” set lists, and “Filthy” is listed first. The titles of the rest of the songs seem to move toward the country. Maybe this is a vision of a robotic future that Timberlake’s music will then challenge. Who knows.
He’s interesting, just not country.
albert
January 5, 2018 @ 3:08 pm
20/20 was a double cd riddled with inventive musical , ideas hooky little melodic phrases, and some major grooves . ALL of these ‘things’ spent 2 CDs looking for a SONG to play a party in. Unfortunately there weren’t any SONGS on that record . Sure there were ‘songs’ with a small ‘s ‘ …but no SONGS .
The track above just has no reason to exist , IMHO. None of the aforementioned elements are present . Its not a song . The guy ‘singing’ could be ANYONE . There is no character to the vocal ( hard to do when there’s nothing to sing ) , no chalenge …its buried and ….well actually I can’t figure out why I’m wasting my time even commenting . Life is too short .
Bear
January 5, 2018 @ 3:38 pm
WTF? Happened to pop artists who sort of led the way or set trends. He is just doing the same sound everyone else is with this damn song. And I for one would like hear a single that has something I can identify as an actual instrument.
I hope the rest of the album has a little more Stax/memphis to it than this.
DJ
January 5, 2018 @ 3:45 pm
What the hell is that video supposed to represent and why were those people applauding?
Aggc
January 5, 2018 @ 3:57 pm
Because they know nothing about music.
Aggc
January 5, 2018 @ 5:23 pm
And they’re being paid.
North Woods Country
January 5, 2018 @ 3:59 pm
In what universe does this song even sound pleasant to the ear?
Patrick
January 5, 2018 @ 4:50 pm
I think I just had an aneurysm. Just a bunch of noise, Sam Hunt isn’t this bad, but who knows a new record should be coming from him in a year or to so who knows.
Bill Weiler
January 5, 2018 @ 5:14 pm
In 1969 Leonard Chess had the brilliant idea of backing the great Howlin Wolf with phychedelic music. You know, appeal to what they thought would sell to the kids of the day. (It didn’t) When asked what he thought of the finished album, Howlin Wolf answered with two words. “Dog Shit”. It’s a shame that such honesty and eloquence isn’t used more often today.
Willie Potter
January 5, 2018 @ 5:17 pm
“Who is giving Justin Timberlake a pass? It’s not even a fair side by side comparison. Justin Timberlake did not call this a country song. Nor has anyone in the media.”
Yeah..no one in the media.
Just you and your “earthy,Memphis” bullshit article a few days ago.
Just because the guy did a few tunes with Stapleton at an awards a few years ago?
JT is laughing his balls off at all ya’ll.
For real.
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 6:42 pm
Justin Timberlake has released one song from a 16-song album. If I judged an unreleased album that I had not heard based off of one song, I would lose all credibility. I didn’t say his new album was “earthy” and “Memphis,” I was reporting that is how it was being conveyed in a teaser video, which it was. If I’m writing review material, it will be listed under “reviews” and can be taken as my opinion. If it is posted under “news” than it is simply articulating information to the public.
Willie Potter
January 5, 2018 @ 5:44 pm
“Well, you can’t get any less rootsy or “earthy” as this, and there is a reason he released it first and sequenced it #1 on the track list.”
The Eagles- Hotel California
The Eagles- Take It Easy
Take Hold Of My Hand- Dwight Yoakam
Alan Jackson- Drive
Bob Dylan- Tangled Up In Blue
Buck Owen- Streets Of Bakersfield
Boston- More Than A Feeling
ZZ Top- Gimme All Your Lovin’
Queen- We Will Rock You
Stones- Rocks Off
Stones- Start Me Up
The Who- Baba O’ Riley
Led Zeppelin – Whole Lotta Love
Adele- Rolling In The Deep
Marvin Gaye- What’s Goin’ On
Beach Boys- Wouldn’t It Be Nice
The Clash- London Calling
Bruce Springsteen- Thunder Road
Guns N’ Roses- Welcome To The Jungle
Nirvana- Smells Like Teen Spirit
George Jones-He Stopped Loving Her Today
Sequencing a song first on the track list is not at all an admission of inferiority.
These songs all open amazing releases by a variety of artists.
Pepperwood
January 5, 2018 @ 6:17 pm
I don’t think Trig was implying that it being released as the first single and sequenced first on the album was indicative of the song’s inferiority (as perceived by the decision-makers of JT’s music business).
Kevin Davis
January 6, 2018 @ 12:28 pm
Willie — you’re missing the point. The suggestion/theory is that this could be a concept album. The opening track could be setting up for something else that involves (by contrast or struggle or who knows) and tends toward the “earthy,” as per the country vibe of the teaser video for the album.
Texastwostep
January 5, 2018 @ 6:01 pm
I really don’t know why you’re kissing timber dorks butt so badly. Look at his picture…disgusting. He’s not even a respectable pop “star” and now you’re attempting to attribute Chris Stapleton’s success to JT’s one time star grab? Trigger…I’ve lost all respect. Really.
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 6:34 pm
I don’t know why folks think just because I’m covering this story means somehow I’m kissing Justin Timberlake’s ass. This is what I said about “Filthy”:
QUOTE:
“What we do know is this lead single “Filthy” is hot garbage. Disjointed, damaged, lacking any flow or direction, it’s just some weird electronic robotic bullshit for electronic bullshit’s sake.”
UNQUOTE
Doesn’t really seem like ass kissing to me.
Kevin Davis
January 6, 2018 @ 12:32 pm
Trigger — I applaud your patience with these routine, idiotic, missing-the-point comments. It’s really amazing at how many people do a half-ass job of reading the article and then venture forth with their own half-witted impressions.
Bo Fiddley
January 6, 2018 @ 8:07 am
“Timber dorks”, I’ve gotta say, although I had a blast, I don’t miss middle school.
Marky Mark
January 9, 2018 @ 7:21 pm
Even a middle schooler would have spelt it “timber dork’s” etc…
Matt
January 5, 2018 @ 6:16 pm
I’m not sure why we care about this guy making country music. HE’S not country…grew up in a Memphis suburb until ~age 13, then it was off to Disney World and boy-band-land. Who cares if he’s from the South, it doesn’t mean anything. He can sing, but so can a LOT of other guys who don’t get attention.
This is almost as silly as all the brouhaha arm-waving over Beyonce’s “Daddy Lessons” being “country” or not.
Do you really WANT to see Timberlake on the country charts? I don’t. Bebe Rexha’s bad enough.
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 6:37 pm
The reason I care is because Justin Timberlake was the catalyst for what arguably was the biggest country music performance in the last decade, or maybe longer, which had very very direct implications on country music that are still reverberating today. Absolutely no way Chris Stapleton has the #1 and #2 records in country music, and outsells everyone for two years straight without Timberlake lighting that spark.
Perhaps the album will completely suck. I really have no idea. But it could also have huge implications.
Aggc
January 5, 2018 @ 6:47 pm
Huh? We all know you are kidding but it’s a good one!
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 8:04 pm
Not kidding at all.
I think a lot of folks have completely lost their sense of perspective. You understand that Chris Stapleton, CHRIS STAPLETON is the biggest artist in country music right now, right? Not Luke Bryan, not Jason Aldean, not Sam Hunt or Florida Georgia Line. Chris Stapleton. Chris fucking Stapleton. And we have Justin Timberlake to thank for that.
All the Male Vocalist of the Year Awards, all the Album of the Year awards are going to Chris Stapleton right now. I know, he wrote a song that Luke Bryan cut. He’s more of a blues and R&B singer than country. But the idea that this isn’t massive improvement from what country music was before is so incredibly shortsighted, it’s not even worth arguing.
Incredible inroads have been made in the last couple of years to helping return the roots, quality, and integrity to country music, and beyond Chris Stapleton, the primary person to blame is Justin Timberlake. So yeah, I’m paying attention to this record.
Aggc
January 5, 2018 @ 8:25 pm
You obviously have more first-hand knowledge about this stuff than me but i hope you are wrong. I would like to think Chris Stapleton’s accomplishments (Steeldrivers, Jompson Brothers, etc) would stand on their own without any intervention by Justin Timberlake. Wasn’t Chris Stapleton’s album already a best seller before the Justin Timberlake tryst though?
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 8:41 pm
No it wasn’t. At all. It was completely dead in the water. I just responded to another comment about this very thing.
I’ll repost:
When “Traveller” was released on May 10th, it sold 27,000 albums, and debuted on the Billboard 200 at #14. The week before the CMA Awards, “Traveller” wasn’t even on the radar. It was selling less than 100 albums per week. The week after the 2015 CMA Awards? Six months after the release of “Traveller”? The sales SKYROCKETED by 6,000%, selling 177,000 equivalent album units, and going #1 all genre. It is certified unequivocal FACT that the 2015 CMA Awards, and specifically Stapleton’s performance with Justin Timberlake, is what DIRECTLY led to all of the success Chris Stapleton is enjoying today.
Jtrpdx
January 6, 2018 @ 10:36 pm
That is a fact. It’s also a fact that Stapleton is a few grades better than the Luke Bryan’s of the world if we are comparing who we would rather have as the current biggest thing in mainstream “country”. But, the fact is that he got there by singing a duet with Timberlake, singing a knock off Etta James song (with no credit to her for the cover). It’s no surprise to anyone around here that I think Stapleton is highly overrated, but nonetheless, just wanted to point all of that out. Let’s not pretend that the Timberlake / Stapleton cma moment had anything to do with traditional country. It did not.
Texastwostep
January 5, 2018 @ 6:50 pm
Really, Trigger? You have got to be kidding me!!!! Chris Stapleton has been a fixture around town for years and his songwriting prowess is unmatched. I can’t remember another voice in the last forty years…save Elvis Presley’s who lit my skin on fire the way Stapleton’s does. … And you try to attribute his success to a nasal, lame boy band tenor? Oh my God…the Nashvegas sky really HAS fallen! Chris Stapleton: Fool Me Again: https://youtu.be/JiCVtF9YmaI
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 7:59 pm
You won’t find ANYONE in the music business who will attribute Chris Stapleton’s overwhelming success over the last two years to anything but his performance with Justin Timberlake on the 2015 CMA Awards, including Chris Stapleton. PERIOD.
When “Traveller” was released on May 10th, it sold 27,000 albums, and debuted on the Billboard 200 at #14. The week before the CMA Awards, “Traveller” wasn’t even on the radar. It was selling less than 100 albums per week. The week after the 2015 CMA Awards? Six months after the release of “Traveller”? The sales SKYROCKETED by 6,000%, selling 177,000 equivalent album units, and going #1 all genre. It is certified unequivocal FACT that the 2015 CMA Awards, and specifically Stapleton’s performance with Justin Timberlake, is what DIRECTLY led to all of the success Chris Stapleton is enjoying today.
Hate on Timberlake all you want. Nothing will change these facts. That is also why I am firmly affixed to this story.
Jtrpdx
January 6, 2018 @ 10:37 pm
Actually, that performance of his Etta James ripoff with Timberlake was the biggest thing in stapletons commercial success. You are giving him way too much credit.
Case
January 5, 2018 @ 6:55 pm
Why are you even giving this shit the time of day?
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 8:07 pm
Because it’s my job to write about music.
What’s your excuse?
Case
January 5, 2018 @ 8:24 pm
Your job to write about music? I thought the site was called, “Saving COUNTRY Music”? There are a lot of artists you are putting on the back burner to promote this pop star who doesn’t need any more hype or publicity.
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 8:40 pm
Nobody’s been back burnered Case, and I don’t appreciate you insinuating that. Another example of folks obsessing over articles they love to hate, while patently ignoring all the positive stuff. I also wrote an in-depth article today about the songwriting legacy on Key West and tied it to an upcoming event that will feature two dozen up-and-coming songwriters. Let’s see if that article crests 60 comments. Of that’s right, nobody fucking read it because they’re too obsessed being incensed over this one. How about the preview earlier this week of all the music coming up in 2018 that I worked on for weeks, or the Essential Albums lists with links to 75 positive reviews I wrote last year, or the article about the insurgency of Kentucky artists? Instead of bitching about this article, go actually read the stuff everyone says they want to see, but nobody seems to put out the effort to pay attention to. And somehow I’m to blame.
Case
January 5, 2018 @ 9:05 pm
I read the essential albums list along with all your other reviews. I have been a fan of this site for years. But I do have an issue when legitimate country music artists have albums coming out and this garbage is what you chose to cover. This is the first negative comment I have posted on your site and I don’t like doing so. Judging on this specific comment section, I am not the only one who finds this artist a waste of your time.
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 10:07 pm
Case,
I appreciate your feedback. But I’m also reading in this comments section people telling me Justin Timberlake had nothing to do with Chris Stapleton’s success, and that I’m “praising” Justin Timberlake and this song specifically when I’ve done nothing of the sort. That tells me people aren’t reading, they’re reacting. Ultimately, if I feel a topic is important like I do with this Timberlake record, I’ll cover it regardless of the chirping in the comments section, especially when much of that chirping is uninformed. I don’t run a popularity contest. Nor is it my primary charge to be a music recommendation site. Folks love to say that I should be “supporting the music” because it makes everyone feel good and enhances their internet persona. I’m not saying that’s the case with you, but actions speak louder, and folks just don’t read those articles. They want to know they’re there, be cause it makes them feel good or something. But they would never leave comments saying they don’t want to read them like they’ll do on these articles. I still post them, and I’m not saying traffic is the only factor with what I choose to cover. But I have to take the “You need to focus on real country artists” comments with a grain of sand when those same commenters ignore those articles. The truth is most of the people who say they hate to see these articles salivate for them. It gives them a forum to bitch, and prove how “country” they are compared to everyone else.
This Justin Timberlake album could have huge implications in country music, just like he did at the 2015 CMA Awards. Maybe he won’t. But I’m not going to get caught flat footed on this subject. I’ve decided to make it a focal point, regardless of how popular it is. And just because one article gets written never means another one doesn’t. That’s a common misnomer that comes from people who don’t commonly write 13 articles a week for a living. If you or anyone else doesn’t want to read this article, then I have also provided plenty of other alternative content, and have never asked a red penny from anyone to read it.
I appreciate you reading.
Leroy
January 6, 2018 @ 1:33 pm
Trigger, I hate to break to it you bud. But Case is actually a robot. His comments are programmed. Programmed to throw you into an emotional frenzy. Looks like you responded to nothing. Go back and read his comments again. The same comments appear just about on every article written on this site. It reminds me of the program that was set up to respond to haters who would randomly and relentlessly spew mutilation comments back in the day, “cut your heart out” and so forth…
There are quite a few programmed robotic posters. Rewind, repeat, rewind, repeat…
Comments always include but:
1. Read the article, you’ve missed the point.
2. This song makes Sam Hunt / Walker Hayes sound good!
3. The slide guitar is tasty and we need pitch perfect voices.
4. That’s what’s wrong with country radio today!
5. Thats NOT country!
6. How’d it wind up on SCM?
7. There’s a lot of good artist to listen to, this just isn’t one.
8. I just lost a minute and half of my life listening to that song.
9. In what universe does this stuff sound good to the ear?
10. I made it to the .50 mark of the video and had to turn it off.
Something weird is going on. JT’s cowboy hat and boots in the video says everything to me.
sweet on stuart
January 5, 2018 @ 7:23 pm
Thought I would share this.
https://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2018/01/05/575300734/justin-timberlake-gets-futuristic-and-filthy
Texastwostep
January 5, 2018 @ 7:29 pm
Thank you for that!!! ????????
Texastwostep
January 5, 2018 @ 7:35 pm
I’m sure Johnny Cash would appreciate him being “filthy”, and June too. Actually I’d like to know what Loretty would have to say to this idiot right now. Seriously. ????????
Bill Weiler
January 7, 2018 @ 5:41 am
I can see Dale Watson inspired to write a tune about Timberlake going “Country”.
Texastwostep
January 5, 2018 @ 7:39 pm
The Fightin’ Side Of Me https://g.co/kgs/qpfnfK
Ray
January 5, 2018 @ 8:04 pm
This is a lot of attention for a pop star when the focus of this site is usually bashing pop-leaning country stars. Just because it is a “roots album,” who says it won’t be a blues album. Timberlake was born in Memphis.
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 8:11 pm
The focus on this site is posting album reviews and positive music features, as well as editorials on issues that are important in country music. “Bashing pop-leaning country stars” makes up less than 20% of the content on this site. However it does make up about 80% of the interest by the public, especially on Facebook, leading to the misnomer that basing pop country is all Saving Country Music does.
I have not idea if “Man of the Woods” is a roots album. I’ve only heard one song from it, and it wasn’t very rootsy at all.
Bill Weiler
January 7, 2018 @ 5:38 am
A Mouseketeer and boy band heartthrob singing the blues. I’m old enough to have had the pleasure of seeing a handful of first generation bluesmen and most of the second. Timberlake would come across less credible singing the blues than he would country.
Jack Williams
January 7, 2018 @ 6:57 am
Amen to that. As it is, there’s really no serious money in the blues, so I don’t think there’s any way in hell he would attempt a blues record.
Kevin Smith
January 8, 2018 @ 6:13 am
Spot on Jack. Blues is such an important piece of American musical history and it has a great niche of supporters who are zealous about the genre, yet most blues musicians have day jobs to support their habit! The irony doesn’t escape me. I have pondered why for some time and I think the answer lies in the fact that youth as a whole have no interest in it. It’s audience is older and therefore limited. Yet it still survives , year after year. Personally, I love it and I wish it held more appeal with the younger crowds. Every now and then you find a younger blues artist that gives you hope, Gary Clark Jr for example, or Samantha Fish, but its always the older folks who latch on to them.
Texastwostep
January 5, 2018 @ 8:12 pm
Big deal. He wore a denim suit and hooked up with Britney spears. Are we sposed to be impressed? I’d rather hear real country!!!
Gary P, Nunn “London Homesick Blues” LIVE on The …: https://youtu.be/DAuZsxVs2xw
Leroy
January 5, 2018 @ 8:13 pm
Poor Justin Timberlake, just a tool to get all us country boys to look in his direction. Chris Stapleton’s politeness on stage letting JT believe he was a great country singer was what we country boys just melt for. He really showed the difference to the rest of the world how a true country boy behaves. Now that’s real power.
Texastwostep
January 5, 2018 @ 8:19 pm
Darrell McCall w/ Willie Nelson – Lily Dale -(197…: https://youtu.be/VVfjIM3gMtE
Texastwostep
January 5, 2018 @ 8:21 pm
Fiddlin Frenchie Burke – Big Mamou – No. 1 West -…: https://youtu.be/JqkDPz24hPM
Texastwostep
January 5, 2018 @ 8:23 pm
Gary Stewart- Drinkin’ Thing: https://youtu.be/Idfnm8Flz3E
Tell me about Justin timber puke again????
Leroy
January 5, 2018 @ 8:26 pm
Robots can keep can finally keep company those who are trapped in their basements and can’t get out. New and improved garage parties full of possibilities. They like it. The rest of us can use it to clean our houses. You’ve been marinating too long in weirdness, all they need is to unpack the seeds planted, running around in those minds of yours and program it to destroy. That’s the only country that’s being implied here. Weirdo creeps in the valley, what kind of person would actually be able to stand looking at that? They don’t exist. Stick to the drones for the most impact.
Aggc
January 5, 2018 @ 8:32 pm
Wow. I think that’s the most non-sensical comment I’ve ever read here. Kudos!
Texastwostep
January 5, 2018 @ 8:37 pm
This is all I have to say to that!! Curtis Potter & Darrell McCall – Fraulein: https://youtu.be/I1HsNPzQdHQ
Willie Potter
January 5, 2018 @ 10:05 pm
“Absolutely no way Chris Stapleton has the #1 and #2 records in country music, and outsells everyone for two years straight without Timberlake lighting that spark. ”
REALLY??
Dude….that’s what you think?
Willie Potter
January 5, 2018 @ 10:14 pm
Stapleton EXPLODED after that performance because of Stapleton.
Timberlake just happened to be there.
Trigger
January 5, 2018 @ 10:18 pm
lol.
Jtrpdx
January 6, 2018 @ 10:43 pm
Not to mention that Etta James song he sang which is truly a timeless progression. Stapleton’s cover of “Tennessee Whiskey” even has the signature Etta James vocal inflections and all. Sure paid off for him, but it’s messed up that he has gotten a pass for giving her zero credit.
Lunchbox
January 6, 2018 @ 12:07 am
never been sold on Stapleton. this isn’t helping.
OlaR
January 6, 2018 @ 1:53 am
I really don’t understand the love-fest for JT or Chris Stapleton.
Justin Timberlake is NOT country & never will be. With all the Sam Hunt & Chris Lane shit released as “country” music it’s easy for JT or Beyonce to call a song “country” because there is an acoustic guitar playing in the background of the track.
DJ
January 6, 2018 @ 7:46 am
I don’t remember how I came to this site. I don’t do face book, but I do enjoy and appreciate reading others opinions. Triggers opinions are usually comical and quite eloquent IMNSHO. Articles like this one do stimulate conversation and are entertaining and I look forward to seeing others that are similar.
I also read some of the scrolling links and have not found a better writer on them. If y’all don’t like what Trigger writes my suggestion would be to start your own site and maybe Trigger will link it for you. LOL.
I will say I don’t see a lot of country music being saved. I see/hear a lot of the same thing from different faces with different words strung together so articles like this break up the monotony. I appreciate what Trigger does including an open forum to express opinions, but, I do believe he has a tough road to hoe since there are very few artists who grab an audience the way the ‘super stars’ of the past did, or even the not so super, so, articles like this one are a welcome addition to or replacing of ‘liner notes’ provided by biased sources.
albert
January 6, 2018 @ 10:38 am
Country music is alive and well in the bluegrass world DJ. Those amazing players , writers and singers are doing far more than anyone to keep it that way . Did I mention those amazing writers , singers and players ? The talents in that genre may be the most underrated and overlooked in ANY genre , with the exception of trad jazz . Kelsea Ballerini gets a ‘country’ music award while Rhonda Vincent is ignored ? Rhonda Vincent ….one of the most talented singers/musicians/entertainers to breath air ? I guess if the Bluegrassers were to call what they do ” country” they’d be played on every ‘ country’ chart in the nation and qualify for nominations ? Not a snowball’s chance ….. and we all know it . And its just as well . At least the bluegrassers don’t have to feel pressured to water down the ‘product’ with some desperate -fo-attention-appeal to kids and out-of-touch ‘country’ radio stations .
Yup…..you can bet JT , Beyonce and all the lesser-known strawgrasping ‘country music’ wannabes will NEVER find time on a bluegrass format . Its just too real , too honest ………and too sacred . Can I get an Amen ?
DJ
January 6, 2018 @ 1:58 pm
Perhaps. I have Del and the Boys in my itunes and I love Vincent Black Lightning 1952. But I don’t really care. I rarely listen to anything anymore, but, the ones I hear here mostly sound alike.
When I hear something I like I like it. Chris Stapleton, Cody Jinks, Jamey Johnson, the kid from Canada (Colter Wall(?) ), Charlie Robison (Lights of Lovin County)…… those voices have character. Maybe it’s a maturity thing, but, I don’t recall Waylon, or Cash, or Willie or Kris, or Jerry Lee, or Conway (who started as a RnR singer btw) or any of the “gone but not forgotten” (recognize that?) ever sounding like anyone else never mind everyone else.
From what I hear there are very few to fill the shoes. Fuck a bunch of radio. Yes I’ve had Sirius when I drove a big truck but I wound up listening more to talk than I did music….a maturity thing I guess. I’m now 70 and about the only thing that really gets my motor running are real motors in race cars, preferably Sprint cars, but NASCAR cars are okay too, and drag cars. Indy cars and F1 not so much. LOL…. the bad thing about getting old is, well, getting old.
Leroy
January 7, 2018 @ 2:07 pm
Thanks Warthog for agreeing with me. It really is a sad day out there. But funny too, at exactly the same time.
DJ, I apologize. Sprint cars and NASCAR are not the same thing. I’d get upset If I said my favorite color was orange and you came back and said it was blue.
IMHO all cars and robots are awesome inventions which can be compared to exoskeletons. Unfortunately, or humorously (separately or at the same time) they have become metaphors for all that is there. Interesting to see people, as they are, when they slow down. You’ve made it out of the robot category with me, paid poster is still another question. Fess up. You too Warthog. Trigger got you on the payroll?
DJ
January 7, 2018 @ 3:23 pm
I addressed that already. If you’re jealous though Trigger is available for contact.
Leroy
January 7, 2018 @ 4:09 pm
So you are a paid poster, DJ. Goodfortexastwostepdon’tchathink?
And in order to take full responsibility, I’ll have to admit to everyone publicly, now.
Yes. My name is Leroy, and I’m jealous. And for my punishment, I’m going to have to go and open everyone of those links from youtube. Just kidding, I wouldn’t put myself through such a living hell on earth…. just joking.
Fess up warthog and seak05 and all the others. You got a really weird culture, paid posters -btw. I think it needs it’s time to weed through the next level. A closer examination of paid posters by the one eye… Must learn everything.
Leroy
January 6, 2018 @ 2:24 pm
Amen. albert could post in his sleep. his posts are always familiar and never disappoint.
Texastwostep
January 6, 2018 @ 8:15 am
Ummm…how much did “trigger” pay you to write that crap? We are here because we like country music. We don’t expect to have boy band has-been timberpuke shoved down our throats. Don’t even attempt to come on here and shout us down. Trigger screwed up…big time…and he should just admit it.
DJ
January 6, 2018 @ 1:37 pm
If I wanted to shout you down you’d know it. I just gave my opinion(s).
Your speaking (writing) for others is a bit pretentious don’t you think.
Leroy
January 6, 2018 @ 2:16 pm
DJ,
Don’t get emotional here but, a person has to defend Texastwostep on this one. You’re commenting like a paid poster. Maybe some extra money post retirement and all? You got to set the bar higher, if you’re going to keep your job and and SCM running.
DJ
January 7, 2018 @ 7:00 am
LOL….. I’m not emotional. I expressed my opinion(s). Y’all expressed your’s. You (and he) have every right to be wrong. I had no idea I had to support someone else’s opinion to be popular or accepted, neither of which is a priority for me. I do appreciate, and like, what is done here. If someone else doesn’t, so be it, they have the opportunity start their own. I’m just glad Isbell or Simpson aren’t the topic, and I do wish my influence (I should have according to the wrong headed opinions of you and the other poster) would get Crystal Bowersox a review.
Leroy
January 7, 2018 @ 10:01 am
I almost hear a cry in that LOL, DJ. Your handlers will have to make some tuning adjustments. Like most A.I. you miss the point of my comment entirely. Robots and paid posters don’t have feelings. I was calling you out as a paid poster here on SCM, but now I’m suspicious that you are even breathing. You post: the only thing that gets your motor running is NASCAR racing. Another piece of evidence that points to my theory. You are attracted to precision movements, sound and motors. Maybe you are hiding your attraction to the dancing robot? You are probably aware that NASCAR racing is being studied in robotics?
Warthog
January 7, 2018 @ 10:15 am
It’s a sad day when someone can’t even give their honest opinion without others accusing them of being paid and told what to say. It says a lot about the world today and the “hive-mind, agree-with-me-or-you’re-wrong” mentality that has become so commonplace.
Good thoughts, DJ.
DJ
January 7, 2018 @ 11:15 am
Actually, Leroy, what I said was: . I’m now 70 and about the only thing that really gets my motor running are real motors in race cars, preferably Sprint cars, but NASCAR cars are okay too, and drag cars. Indy cars and F1 not so much. LOL
Notice I said NASCAR cars are okay too(<<<< <verbatim) but, (take notes so as not to tax yourself) "I prefer Sprint cars".
Maybe if you'd take the time to read s l o w l y you'd comprehend b e t t e r, which might make your comments to, and about me more credible. But, I'll not hold my breath.
DJ
January 7, 2018 @ 11:18 am
Yes Warthog it is indicative of the world we live in. Uh-oh. I just agreed with you. Is my check in the mail? LOL
Texastwostep
January 6, 2018 @ 8:22 am
Is trigger dj?
DJ
January 6, 2018 @ 1:33 pm
Nope
Texastwostep
January 6, 2018 @ 8:33 am
Justin timberlake=urkel gone country Alan Jackson – Gone Country: https://youtu.be/si-ja75bFvI
Bill
January 6, 2018 @ 9:44 am
Time will tell if Timberlake goes roots but in the meantime, John Oates of Hall and Oates fame has released a roots album called Arkansas. Here is the title song and I think it is pretty damn good. More country than 99% of what passes for country music on terrestrial radio these days, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMX-AAy-rDg
sweet on stuart
January 6, 2018 @ 5:52 pm
Bill, I’m sure you saw this while you were watching the link. Oates explains a lot here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VweU81USSxM
Bill
January 7, 2018 @ 7:52 am
Actually I had not seen that….thanks for sharing!
Texastwostep
January 6, 2018 @ 10:22 am
Hmmmmm…thanks for that. Had no idea. Love the crags and snags in his voice… and the banjo behind. ???? Two guns up.
sweet on stuart
January 6, 2018 @ 5:48 pm
Will listen to Oates’ stuff. I did hear he was doing this Arkansas album. It’s odd as I didn’t know this r&b/Soul loving guy from Philly even liked this rootsy stuff. I’m a rythym/latin NYC girl who also loves it so I shouldn’t be surprised.
Bill Weiler
January 7, 2018 @ 5:21 am
Oates has been running with the Americana crowd for a half dozen years now.
A.K.A. City
January 6, 2018 @ 7:42 pm
Here is an article from the hip-hop site genius.com. I find it interesting that they and Trigger come to similar conclusions.
https://genius.com/a/justin-timberlake-s-alleged-country-pivot-is-actually-nothing-new-for-him-pharrell-or-timbaland
Texastwostep
January 7, 2018 @ 8:28 am
There is nothing even remotely country about Justin Timberlake, Pharrell or “Timbaland”. Who the hell do they think they’re fooling??? … and calling Alicia Keys “R&Bs finest” is laughable too. She’s OK but nowhere near Aretha, Roberta Flack or Marvin Gaye. Stop trying to redesign music for us… some of us remember the truth.
Bill Weiler
January 7, 2018 @ 9:03 am
Likewise. Growing up in the 50’s and 60’s, I guess I just took good music for granted. Now that was Soul and R+B.
DJ
January 7, 2018 @ 11:20 am
I agree with you! Is my check in the mail?
Texastwostep
January 7, 2018 @ 9:18 am
More junk to add to the has-been pop “star” pile who tried to glom onto country’s popularity: Sam Hunt, Justin Timberlake, Pharrell, “Timbaland”, Brett Michaels, Sheryl Crowe and Jamie Lynn Spears. Oh… and I guess if we’re really being honest… Lisa Marie Presley… although her daddy did spend some time in Nashvegas and parked a caddy in the Hall of Fame. Who else am I missing here??
Chris
January 8, 2018 @ 4:10 pm
Add Jessica Simpson, Jewel and Cassadee Pope to that list.
And Sam Hunt isn’t a pop has-been… he’s a pop never-was. (Yes, his music is pop, but he had no success in pop before hitting the country charts, so he’s not quite in that same category.)
Chris
January 8, 2018 @ 4:21 pm
And with how badly their last pop albums flopped, I wouldn’t be surprised if “country” albums from Britney Spears, Katy Perry or even Mariah Carey are right around the corner… along with stories from Britney and Katy about how they’ve always had an appreciation for country music because they grew up listening to Shania Twain’s pop remixes.
Texastwostep
January 7, 2018 @ 9:22 am
Omg!!!! How could I possibly forget????
Steven Tyler!!!!! ????????????????
Texastwostep
January 7, 2018 @ 9:30 am
Technically I guess we should add Kid Rock and Robert Plant too!!!! I guess country is way more cool than we realized!!
DJ
January 7, 2018 @ 11:27 am
Kid Rocks rendition of Long haired Country Boy is pretty good, and, he did buy one of Waylon’s old Cadillac’s and had it restored and up-dated and had it delivered to him just outside Nashville.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIlPcImBERo
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwiRsqmQvcbYAhVMJiYKHVQhAcwQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flashlyrics.com%2Flyrics%2Fkid-rock%2Fson-of-detroit-54&psig=AOvVaw3zZ-nfJ9b1DaykZu1yFd48&ust=1515435922009864
hoptowntiger94
January 7, 2018 @ 11:55 am
Just so you know, so it’s it’s set in stone,
Kid Rock don’t come from where I come from..
Yeah, it’s true, he’s a Yank, he ain’t no son of Hank..
If you even thought so, god-damn, you’re fucking dumb.
DJ
January 7, 2018 @ 3:17 pm
Just so you know, I didn’t say he was.
Eduardo Vargas
January 7, 2018 @ 11:08 am
My goodness, I have never seen more people on this site completely miss the point of the article lol
Carry on Trig
Leroy
January 8, 2018 @ 6:45 am
Please Honey,
Don’t come around here unless it’s absolutely necessary, if you ever want to make it, big.
You’re a paid poster, artificial intelligence, along with RD, Trainwreck92 and BennyLee. Maybe you aren’t aware, but anyone under 21 is considered psychotic.
Texastwostep
January 8, 2018 @ 1:00 am
I don’t think we missed the point at all. Dwight Yoakam – I Sang Dixie: https://youtu.be/UJCPnd3NDNs
Texastwostep
January 8, 2018 @ 1:00 am
Dwight Yoakam – “I Sang Dixie” [Live from Austin,…: https://youtu.be/fUcoAo2k95Y
Texastwostep
January 8, 2018 @ 1:02 am
P. S. Let me add Chris pop boy fabrication to the above list!! ????????????
Texastwostep
January 8, 2018 @ 1:04 am
Lane… That was sposed to be Chris lane… Rock yer body bulls__ to the above list!! ????????????????????
Chris
January 8, 2018 @ 4:13 pm
I managed to catch a few seconds of “Filthy” on my local CHR station while out running errands. Now instead of trying to be the second coming of Michael Jackson, it sounds like he’s trying to be the second coming of George Michael… it sounds like an amalgamation of “I Want Your Sex” and “Faith” but without the catchy pop hooks and without George Michael’s vocal prowess. And I thought “Sexyback” was bad… this may be the worst thing he’s released yet.
Dirt Road Derek
July 1, 2018 @ 10:25 am
I’m guilty of buying into all the hype and believing that he was actually going to release a genuine country album, until I heard this single. It’s just terrible.