After Sexual Assault Claims, Why is Nelly Still Accepted in Country?
Quick question for you. How many women need to accuse Nelly of rape and sexual assault before he becomes a persona no grata in country and roots music similar to Ryan Adams, Morgan Wallen, Winston Marshall of Mumford & Sons, and the like? Now before you answer, understand that whatever the number is, it must be greater than three, because that’s how many women have accused him of such activity. So far at least.
Nelly was arrested October 7th, 2017 in Auburn, Washington near Seattle after he was accused of sexual assault by a local woman. Nelly, whose real name is Cornell Iral Haynes Jr., was arrested on his tour bus in a Wal-Mart parking lot where the alleged rape occurred. The rapper had performed earlier that evening at the White River Amphitheatre. It was part of Florida Georgia Line’s 2017 “Smooth Tour.”
According to Steve Stocker of the Auburn police, the woman called 911 and reported the rape at 3:48 am. After an investigation, police decided to charge Nelly on 2nd degree rape, and placed him under arrest. Later those charges were dropped by local authorities after the alleged victim—22-year-old Monique Green—said she was being harassed and smeared in the media after leaks from the local police department ended up on TMZ. She said she couldn’t trust the local police to fairly prosecute her case. Multiple stories involving Nelly’s attorney Scott Rosenblum also appeared on TMZ accusing Monique Green of being a gold digger and a liar.
Shortly after the arrest for 2nd degree rape, two more accusations against Nelly emerged. One was from a woman who says that Nelly assaulted her at an afterparty following a concert at Koko, which is a club in London, England. The victim alleges Nelly groped her, despite repeatedly staving off his unwelcomed advances in June of 2016. The woman said hearing the story of another victim in Washington State compelled her to come forward.
Then another sexual assault investigation commenced against Nelly by police in Essex, England less than 2 months after Nelly was arrested in Washington State. A woman claimed that after a show at Cliffs Pavilion in Essex on December 5th, 2017, she approached Nelly to take a picture with him. Nelly allegedly grabbed the woman by the arm and took her to his dressing room where he began to masturbate in front of her and tried take her top off and force her to perform oral sex on him. As she ran away, the accuser claims Nelly yelled at her and called her a “c*nt.”
Subsequently, a civil suit between Nelly and Monique Green was settled privately. The woman in the Cliff’s Pavilion incident also did not cooperate with authorities for undisclosed reasons. Nelly has never been convicted of any crime against a woman, and everyone has a right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. But despite the gravity of the charges—even while they were fresh and he was actively under investigation for rape—Nelly was allowed to continue on tour with Florida Georgia Line, and has since appeared at numerous country festivals, and in other collaborations.
This week, the #1 streaming song in country is “Lil Bit,” which is yet another collaboration between Nelly and Florida Georgia Line. Of course it’s not a country song, which once again begs the question why Lil Nas X was kicked off the charts for “Old Town Road,” but something like “Lil Bit” could be allowed to persist. But that’s not the double standard, and inconsistent judgement that’s being dealt with specifically here. This has to do with how Nelly is somehow in the clear, while many other performers in country, roots, and in music in general are not, and for much less significant actions or allegations.
Nelly somehow skirting by this prudish, repressed moment in history while others have been caught up in its web has a lot to do with timing. The first accusation of rape against Nelly occurred on October 7th, 2017. It was on October 15th, 2017 that actress Alyssa Milano posted on Twitter, “If all the women who have been sexually harassed or assaulted wrote ‘Me too’ as a status, we might give people a sense of the magnitude of the problem,” commencing the #MeToo movement in earnest, and bringing a reckoning down on many men in the public sphere who for years had been abusing or allegedly abusing women.
By eight days, Nelly was spared the worst of that reckoning. In fact, the accusations against Nelly went mostly ignored, and if anything, were buried in the flood of new accusations that emerged against men. It also probably helps that the accusations happened on two separate continents, diffusing the impact of multiple accusations delivered in a tight window.
Again, we can only assume that since Nelly has not been convicted of any sex crime that he is innocent on all charges. But neither has Ryan Adams, while the accusations made by a battery of ex’s brought forth by The New York Times are significantly less grave. Same for Morgan Wallen. Is being caught in a private moment using a forbidden word as bad as being accused of rape and sexual assault by three separate women? Where did Morgan Wallen learn the phrase he was caught using? Nelly has an entire song titled “Country Ass Nigg*.”
This is in no way to defend the actions of Ryan Adams, Morgan Wallen, or anyone else. The accusations and confirmed actions by all three of these men are reprehensible and inexcusable, and they deserve some recompense for their behavior. But why are the grave accusations against Nelly never broached as he remains an active part of polite society and public entertainment, meanwhile think pieces continue to be written about how others should receive no reconsideration or forgiveness ever.
Last month, Inside Hook published a think piece entitled, “Without Remorse, There Will Be No Redemption for Ryan Adams.” Producer Dr. Luke wasn’t accused of raping three women, only one. The accusation from Kesha is definitely alarming, but has never been substantiated, and in fact details of the accusation have been refuted by Katy Perry and others. But Dr. Luke continues to be hounded by the public and the media as an abuser, with just yesterday The Atlantic publishing a lengthy piece about how your support of the Dr. Luke-produced pop star Doja Cat is ultimately support for a rapist.
Winston Marshall of the band Mumford & Sons was cancelled simply for recommending a book by controversial journalist Andy Ngo who investigates violence within Antifa. He’s now left the band, feeling he can’t speak his mind in the current media environment without hurting others. You may disagree with Winston Marshall and Any Ngo. But how does him recommending a book fall within the realm of reprehensible behavior, but the credible accusations against Nelly don’t? And again, the media is playing a large role in this continued pressure campaign, with Slate publishing a story last week proclaiming, “Mumford & Sons’ Banjoist Traded Rock Stardom for the Allure of Owning The Libs.”
Yet there were never any think pieces proceeding the accusations against Nelly, never any proclamations that regardless of the validity of the claims, there will be no redemption. There’s never been any public reckoning against his collaborators either, or Nelly’s corporate backers. Here Nelly is in the video in the new song with Florida Georgia Line, driving around in a RAM truck, munching on Lays potato chips in specific moments of product placement for major American corporations as if he’s never engaged in any problematic activity, including gun charges and tax evasion that Nelly has been found guilty and convicted of.
What’s worse, Unknown Hinson calling a woman a “freak tittied bimbo” based on false reporting in the media, or someone allegedly raping three women? I’m going to go with the later, but it’s the former who’s out of his gig playing a redneck squid in a niche cartoon, and the latter who’s eating Lays potato chips in a Florida Georgia Line video, and headlining arena tours.
Again, I’m not for the cancellation of anybody. And part of the dilemma with cancel culture is the inherent hypocrisy that persists with people who will speak out against cancellation when it happens against someone on their side of the political spectrum, but join the scrum when it’s someone else they happen to disagree with ideologically.
In fact since Nelly has yet to be convicted of any crime against a woman, I think he should have the right to pursue gainful employment in the public space, with presumed innocence until evidence is presented otherwise, even if I think his music is terrible.
But others should also be extended that right too who currently aren’t, while others whose actions or the accusations against them are much less severe than Nelly’s are also being disallowed by the public and the media from moving forward with their careers.
We all have the right to take our knowledge on the actions or behaviors of others, and use that to influence who we listen to, and how we spend our money. But the collective and often capricious way the public and the media gang up on some individuals and seem to turn a blind eye to the actions and accusations against others seems patently illiberal, as does the inability to forgive, or to offer a path to redemption for past mistakes.
Justin C
July 7, 2021 @ 11:13 am
Just wanted to be one of the first to comment before the sh!t storm hits !
Eric
July 7, 2021 @ 12:22 pm
I am utterly dumbfounded why he would include Winston Marshall in this list. All he did was praise a journalist Andy Ngo who is known for video taping Antifa and BLM members at their rallies. His journalist often depicts their violence. Winston is a coward for bowing down to the cancel culture mob. I’m seriously confused as to how the writer her connected the dots for a comparison between this and the sexual assault of Nelly. Is everyone on the left this stupid to where they think that if you are critical of any faction of the left, you are an evil person? I don’t mean to make this political, but being a leftist seems to be an excuse to have tone-deaf views of current events.
pete
July 7, 2021 @ 12:33 pm
Winston Marshall cancelled himself – it was voluntary. Crocodile tears.
Eric
July 7, 2021 @ 12:58 pm
I don’t disagree. And it definitely amplifies my dislike of Mumford and Son’s as pathetic losers.
Trigger
July 7, 2021 @ 12:44 pm
Eric,
In no way was Winston Marshall’s recommendation of the Andy Ngo book compared to the alleged sexual assaults by Nelly in this article. The exact opposite is the case. The comparison I made was how Winston Marshall was publicly hounded, forced to quit Mumford and Sons, and has become a persona non grata, while Nelly has suffered literally no repercussions whatsoever of being accused of rape and sexual assault three times.
tom tordel jr
July 11, 2021 @ 6:09 am
its all pure BS. hoeing the parched ground for gold, somehow the women NEVER are believed. and ,oh, btw, FGL? proof that Auto-tune can’t fix everything!
Jon
July 7, 2021 @ 11:14 am
Please consider making this a country music website. It may be less popular but you will have more loyal readers. Music>Drama
Trigger
July 7, 2021 @ 11:52 am
I think you would have a very, very difficult time convincing anyone that this is not a country music website, and that for going on 14 years, Saving Country Music has made a dedicated effort toward highlighting the great country music being overlooked by most others, including other articles that have been posted on this website on this very day, and this very week.
That said, the name of this website is “Saving Country Music,” and very critical to that charge and mission is to make sure artists are being dealt with equitably. When you have artists being rendered incapable of making a living for forgivable offenses, while other artists with credible accusations of rape against them are allowed to prosper, this very much fits within the scope of country music, and the Saving Country Music mission. If it doesn’t interest you, by all means, don’t read it. Instead, go read the review of the Storey Boys just posted. But with all due respect, your accusation this isn’t a “country music website” is irresponsibly false.
P.S. – The folks that are looking to assert their ideologies upon country music, destroy the careers of individuals they don’t like, and remake the entire genre in their own image are banking on the apathy towards these subjects like yours. You have the luxury of being apathetic towards them. Unfortunately, I don’t.
mouths of babes
July 7, 2021 @ 11:36 am
It’s hard to give a shit about an article that only mentions people you don’t give a shit about.
Trigger
July 7, 2021 @ 1:54 pm
…until the issues broached in the article affect one of your favorite artists. This isn’t an issue about taste or appeal. It’s about the inequitable downgrading of artists based off of public perception that could come for any of your favorite artists at a moment’s notice.
mouths of babes
July 8, 2021 @ 12:40 am
Following my logic, if it affected a favorite artist then it would be easier to give a shit.
Kris Hitchcock
July 7, 2021 @ 11:56 am
I appreciate this article and have wondered a few times about why there seemed to be such a lack of interest in Nelly’s actions, particularly when the community surrounding Nashville Country Music has went after others for far less egregious accusations or actions.
Doug Carter
July 7, 2021 @ 12:02 pm
Neither Florida Georgia Line or Nelly have anything to do with country music. No question they have nothing to do with the country music your blog purports to want to save. That being said, I see your point, but since I have no interest in Nelly or Florida Georgia Line, I have no interest in reading a 19 paragraph story about them. As much as I agree that Nelly’s history of sexual assault accusations matters, it has nothing to do with promoting “real country” music, specifically, or quality music, in general. You decry politics in the comments section, but this lengthy article is fodder for pointless back and forth commentary.
Trigger
July 7, 2021 @ 1:17 pm
There is an extremely strange and patently false idea that simply mentioning an artists is an element of promotion. This idea seems to be taking hold especially on Facebook, and unfortunately here as well. I don’t think anyone would ever read this article, and come to the conclusion that it’s “promoting” Nelly, or Florida Georgia Line. You may not think these artists are country, and certainly I don’t (I made this very point in the article), but that doesn’t mean the wide public doesn’t. As also explained in the article, Nelly and Florida Georgia Line currently have the #1 streaming song in “country” music at the moment. So clearly, it is an issue that is affecting the country world.
So how do we challenge that? Wouldn’t challenging that be an important effort by a website that “purports” to want to save country music? You do this by presenting strong arguments pointing out inequities and valid concerns as this article does. To say this article has nothing to do with the effort to save country music is ludicrous.
As for your statement, “it has nothing to do with promoting “real country” music.”
I am not a promoter. I am not a publicist. I am a journalist. It is not my job to promote anything. Promoting music through this website would be unethical. When I write a glowing review for an album, it’s because it’s my honest opinion. When I write about how an artist has an album or a tour coming up, it’s because it’s news. Promoters are paid by artists and labels to promote. I don’t get paid by anyone to report. I get paid by 3rd party advertising.
Saving Country Music did not start as a review and recommendation website. It started as an effort to save country music, and specifically to address important topics directly affecting the livelihoods of artists. This topic strikes at the very heart of that concern.
If you don’t want to read this article, by all means, don’t. Not every article is going to appeal to everyone. But respectfully, please don’t question my motives. I devote an insane amount of energy to shining a spotlight on deserving artists. If that’s what you find most valuable on this website, by all means, stick to that. But this platform reaches a much larger audience than just independent country music fans, and I choose to use it to address topics critical to the greater country music world.
Doug Carter
July 7, 2021 @ 1:27 pm
Well! Another couple paragraphs and it could have been a stand alone article.
ronnie
July 7, 2021 @ 12:10 pm
I would assume most people here had no idea Nelly was involved in the country realm.
Emmons Day
July 7, 2021 @ 12:14 pm
All the names mentioned make consistent garbage music outside of the country genre, with the exception of a few rich idiots doing countryish junk- it is truly hard to care about whether their punishment fits their crimes or not, literal or figurative. I believe most adults are aware of inconsistencies in the legal system, how sexual assault cases rarely come out in favor of the victims, and that public opinion is easily swayed, sometimes with profound consequences- i.e.,cancelling The Chicks- and sometimes with no consequences. R.Kelly was doing fine for years after credible accusations, George Jones worked for years as an extremely successful and abusive addict sociopath, and Polanski is loved and respected by many – there are countless examples of inconsistencies here. We also know (see previous pres) rabid fans are willing to put up with/excuse nearly anything in this country- you’ll be busy writing this same rambling article every few weeks for the rest of your life.
Eric
July 7, 2021 @ 12:16 pm
You are a complete and absolute clown. What Morgan Wallen and Winston Marshall did does not compare at all to sexual assault of Nelly, or the underage sexual predation of Ryan Adams. All Winson Marshall did was praise independent liberal journalist Andy N for his video journalism of the violence of Antifa members. I’m dumbfounded how someone as intelligent as you when it comes to Country music can be so completely and utterly ignorant of current events.
Trigger
July 7, 2021 @ 12:47 pm
I addressed this above. I would strongly encourage you to re-read this article. In no way am I comparing Winston Marshall’s actions to the actions of anyone else. He was offered up as one of multiple individuals who’ve had their careers significantly damaged for lesser offenses than what Nelly has been accused of.
Eric
July 7, 2021 @ 12:57 pm
Your brief mention of Winston didnt provide enough context to show that you meant it that way.
Di Harris
July 7, 2021 @ 1:18 pm
A lot of the rest of us didn’t have any trouble distinguishing.
Eric
July 7, 2021 @ 1:37 pm
I read his past articles condemning Morgan Wallen, so it wasn’t too out of line to think he was condemning Winston too.
Di Harris
July 7, 2021 @ 2:02 pm
Understood.
strait country 81
July 7, 2021 @ 12:20 pm
Nelly being disgraceful to country aside Haggard beat women,Glen Campbell beat women,Tracy Lawrence why are they a heavily praised
Di Harris
July 7, 2021 @ 12:29 pm
“Nelly allegedly grabbed the woman by the arm and took her to his dressing room where he began to masturbate in front of her and tried take her top off and force her to perform oral sex on him.”
Ok, let me get this straight.
Nelly was busy with one hand, and arm, whacking off. This female could not get away from him? Kick his balls up into his throat? After getting out of his grasp, not get out of his dressing room?
If he did any of the things he is being accused of, shame on him. If he indeed tried to rape someone, then he should be held accountable for the crime(s).
We all know why CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, TWITTER, FACEBOOK, YAHOO, MSN, GOOGLE are quiet about this.
Black Lives Matter!
How dare you try to cause trouble for any black criminal.
Me? I’m personally calling out Margo Price, Maren Morris, & the rest of their ilk, to come to these ladies defense, and hold Nelly accountable.
“ladies”?
thegentile
July 8, 2021 @ 6:16 am
di – it takes a special kind of “woman” to on one had accuse the victim of not trying hard enough to get away and on the other call out your perceived enemies for not holding nelly accountable.
NPC
July 7, 2021 @ 12:29 pm
For whatever reason, it seems as though most R&B/rap artists get a pass on their questionable and abusive tendencies. Bobby Brown, Chris Brown, and now Nelly are still fixtures in the music industry in spite of multiple allegations. Considering the low standards of the country artists that choose to cut tracks with repeat offenders, perhaps it shouldn’t be too surprising that a mile-long rap sheet doesn’t bother them.
Eric
July 7, 2021 @ 1:46 pm
perhaps the affinity for thugs by the average WOC is greater than the social pressure to pedestalize moral upstanding men.
618creekrat
July 7, 2021 @ 9:19 pm
I believe it passes for “cred”.
Doug Carter
July 7, 2021 @ 12:37 pm
And so it begins. As I said earlier, the article is fodder for politically charged comments. It isn’t plausible that you didn’t expect them. But again, in previous sections, you decry politics in the comments section.
Eric
July 7, 2021 @ 1:00 pm
This type of conversation only becomes political when one side fights against free speech. The republicans are very guilty of this too. (Dixie Chicks, etc)
Doug Carter
July 7, 2021 @ 2:00 pm
Really? Mentions of Black artists getting a pass because of their ethnicity, references of denial of free speech, Black Lives Matter!, blaming the accuser, Wallen/Marshall v. Nelly, calling out Price and Morris. None of those are political? They are and you knew comments like that would ensue.
Trigger
July 7, 2021 @ 2:04 pm
Not saying there isn’t a political element to some of these subjects. But as I said, I’m not seeing any political back and forts. Eric clearly misunderstood the article and that has been rectified. If anyone is taking a beating in this comments section it’s me.
Jake Cutter
July 7, 2021 @ 3:25 pm
If you’re “taking a beating” for writing a very well articulated article based on a common sense question that easily illustrates an almost laughably obvious double standard, I wouldn’t worry about the people trying to pile on you. They’re either morons and didn’t understand what you wrote, or are part of the problem in the first place.
You don’t need to hear it from me, least of all, but keep doing your thing. You’re one of the only honest voices in music journalism, and I for one, appreciate it.
Di Harris
July 7, 2021 @ 2:20 pm
Doug,
Am going to go with, you are not being deliberately obtuse.
All lives matter.
Calling Margo & Maren out, because they have very specific principles on standing behind their fellow women who have been attacked/abused.
Want to see them stand up, for the women who are accusing Nelly.
Where are they? Anyone? Are they slinging their usual fury and crap, demanding that Nelly be cancelled?
Of course they aren’t.
Their angst is only for show & clickbait.
You know, because they be so cool.
Doug Carter
July 7, 2021 @ 4:20 pm
You actually said “all lives matter”. Good grief redux.
Di Harris
July 7, 2021 @ 4:35 pm
And this is why you will not be taken seriously
Doug Carter
July 7, 2021 @ 4:43 pm
As my life goal is to be taken seriously by Di Harris and the SCM MAGA crew, I will change my ways. Thank you for providing insight.
Di Harris
July 7, 2021 @ 5:01 pm
You are quick to presume political affiliation.
Also, quick on the snark.
You are easy.
You know little of politics.
Fish in a barrel.
Sorry man
Doug Carter
July 7, 2021 @ 5:11 pm
“You are easy” “Fish in a barrel” I get the sense we are age peers. Hilarious that you see commenting in a blog as a competition. Congratulations on your victory.
Di Harris
July 7, 2021 @ 5:19 pm
It is not a competition.
If we are age peers – as you put it, then i am going to step out and say, calm the he** down.
Relax.
As in friend to friend, saying R*E*L*A*X.
There are so many great people on this site.
Very cool getting their insight into things. Where they’ve been, sometimes how they got there. The cool music & people they have been exposed to, along with the treasure trove of info the mand himself, Trig brings.
Relax, don’t go anywhere.
You know you like this site.
Come on, give us a smile …
Trigger
July 7, 2021 @ 1:43 pm
Not really seeing any political back and forths at the moment, though they may be coming. What I see is a bunch of folks complaining that I wrote about this as opposed to “promoting” and independent artist, which I did this morning in the Story Boys and do everyday, though it goes mostly ignored.
Doug Carter
July 7, 2021 @ 2:04 pm
I meant the above reply to Trigger, not to Eric. My apologies.
Jon
July 7, 2021 @ 1:15 pm
I agree that this is usually a country website, but too often I check in(about once a week) and see articles about artists I never even would have known people consider to be country music. I understand that lots of things are considered country these days, but the time used to write about a rapper could have been spent on promoting a new artist. Please don’t become the TMZ of country music like some other sites have. This site has so much potential to be great and sometimes it is. This time it wasn’t unfortunately.
Trigger
July 7, 2021 @ 1:51 pm
Jon,
I appreciate your feedback, and the feedback of everyone else, and I appreciate the concerns folks are showing for this article. But TMZ doesn’t write 19-paragraph articles, and no artist was ignored to write this article. The issues brought up in the article very much fall within the purview of “Saving Country Music,” even if they don’t fall into yours. If all I did was preach to a choir, we’d never have gotten anywhere in independent country music like we have. You do this by both highlighting worthy artists, and challenging the status quo. As crazy as it may seem, more people believe Florida Georgia Line is country than have ever heard of Tyler Childers and Cody Jinks combined. The way we challenge that paradigm is by sharing our perspective of what country music is, and the values we believe it holds. This article may not appeal to you, but it was written to present what in my opinion is a critically-important perspective on country music that very much affects independent music as well.
Jon
July 7, 2021 @ 2:39 pm
I understand your view and why you write what you do. I know that Florida Georgia Line are more popular than 99% of actual country artists but I only know of Florida Georgia Line because of your website and I am not joking. Never heard of Luke Bryan before it either. Got here by typing in country artists names in google and found your site. I appreciate what you do, this article definitely wasn’t for me like you said, the people it is for I probably have no use for.
Wobblyhorse
July 7, 2021 @ 1:24 pm
This is one of my favorite websites, I check it daily. Trigger is a great writer. That being said, I think he should stick to promoting unknown artists and stay away from slandering anyone he doesn’t like.
I used to be a big hip hop head and hated country. Colt Ford was my gateway into into country. He eventually sent me down a YouTube rabbit hole that introduced me to Ryan Bingham. The more people who get slowly introduced to country sounds, the more people who will eventually discover artists like Childers and Wall
Billy Wayne Ruddick
July 7, 2021 @ 4:24 pm
And that’s exactly why it’s important for Trigger to write articles like this, but more importantly, his occasional articles that bash groups like FGL, Sam Hunt, etc. A very good portion of his readers land here from searches about these crappy pop “country” artists, and they then have the opportunity to learn why the crap they listen to is so awful, and more importantly, the opportunity to be introduced to real country via the majority of the other articles on the site. I think Trigger even had some data around what % of new visitors get here from google searching pop “country” artists.
Trigger
July 7, 2021 @ 5:26 pm
Exactly.
The vast majority of the traffic that comes to this site does so searching for info on pop country artists, or disgruntled country fans looking for alternatives and like-minded folks. The site is built for that very purpose, to act like a spider-web to catch these folks and grow the flock. If I stopped criticizing the mainstream, I would just be sitting here preaching to a choir.
That said, over the years, and especially during the pandemic, I have been focusing more and more on positive coverage for important artists, and less on criticizing the mainstream. This isn’t an opinion, it is a statistical certitude. Long-time readers will recognize this. But instead of mitigating the criticism towards the site, this is actually exacerbating it, as evidenced in this very comments section. Where I used to write two or three articles a week about the mainstream, now I write maybe two or three a month. But when I do, people flip out, thinking it’s some sort of change in direction, or not what Saving Country Music is supposed to do because it’s so rare. Meanwhile, the more album reviews I post (I’ve posted more and more every year since the beginning of the site), the more it appears I’m purposely excluding the albums I don’t get to, resulting in further criticism.
Also, a lot of this is being driven specifically by the Facebook algorithm. At this point, any time I post a link to an album review, it’s dead on arrival. Yet I post a link to an article like this, and it receives 76 comments (and counting), many complaining they don’t want to see articles like this, unbeknownst that leaving a comment on the article is actually signaling to Facebook that they want to see more of that type of coverage in their feed. Soon, the only articles they see from Saving Country Music are the ones they hate, because those are the ones they actually engage with.
I truly do take all criticism about my coverage to heart. And even though I may post lengthy responses disagreeing with people’s criticisms doesn’t mean I’m not listening to it. But in this instance, people who saying an article like this isn’t “Saving Country Music” are just ill-informed. This is what Saving Country Music has always done. And as soon as I cease offering strong, spirited, but fair criticism of the mainstream, this website fails.
Meanwhile, now I’m not only trying to hold the mainstream accountable. I’m having to battle my own readers to do it.
Penn Central
July 10, 2021 @ 7:26 pm
Unfortunately, these are some conclusions drawn here:
1) this is a well rounded country music site, about the music, the artists who create it and their viewpoints, influences, ideas and craftsmanship behind it.
2) artists are public figures and their actions and words are out there.
3)as far as “cancel culture” drama and who gets away with what is more about wealth and power. Top rung artists have the wealth, corporations, lawyers and spin machines to that set the stage, as we see here and recently in public. That’s the way it is.
4)Artists who do speak out are taking a risk; and they should not bemoan their fare due to the consequences. That’s the environment here and there are extremes on both ends (woke and cancel).
5) artists can say what they want, it’s their right. But we have the choice whether or not to buy it and ourselves to blame if we keep consuming crap by horrible people, we loose our agency in doing that.
Nash
July 7, 2021 @ 1:25 pm
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think it’s less likely for an artist to be “cancelled” if they are seen as more of a sex symbol.. (Chris brown, Nelly, R Kelly, and countless other artists that had thousands of women) Everyone I can think of who was cancelled doesn’t check the boxes of masculine, and ladies man.
Di Harris
July 7, 2021 @ 1:31 pm
Didn’t think this video was bad.
I do think Nelly should have held out for Lay’s WAVY potato chips, instead of the plain ones.
And he should have handed the little bro in the Power Wheels, a handful of chips, instead of just shoving one in his mouth before they drove off. He could have told the producers hold up. Sharing, you know? …
Also “ladies”, if you are gyrating puddy & booty in someone’s face – don’t expect the red blooded American male not to react.
God gave men a penis for a reason.
Might want to do most of your prancing in private
Doug Carter
July 7, 2021 @ 1:51 pm
“God gave men a penis for a reason”. So if someone does something that arouses a man sexually, that man has carte blanche to engage in sexual behavior with that person? “…don’t expect the red blooded American male not to react”. Good grief.
Di Harris
July 7, 2021 @ 1:58 pm
Be serious
Doug Carter
July 7, 2021 @ 2:02 pm
I am. If that isn’t what you meant, then you should have used other words.
thegentile
July 8, 2021 @ 6:29 am
“Also “ladies”, if you are gyrating puddy & booty in someone’s face – don’t expect the red blooded American male not to react.
God gave men a penis for a reason.”
i used to think you were just a benign crackpot but holy shit, what a fucked up thing to say.
get out the ruler girls, make sure your hem line is four inches below your knees or di says you can get sexually assaulted because you were asking for it. oh and better stick to turtlenecks while we’re at it.
Di Harris
July 8, 2021 @ 9:25 am
gentile,
Your words not mine.
“get out the ruler girls, make sure your hem line is four inches below your knees or di says you can get sexually assaulted because you were asking for it. oh and better stick to turtlenecks while we’re at it.”
Also, “perceived enemies” ? from your previous post.
You are adding a lot of content and attributing it to something i did not write.
Not a lot going on in Ireland today?
thegentile
July 8, 2021 @ 10:03 am
there is no other way to read what you wrote. and you bring up how you don’t like margo price in every article that she is mentioned in and in this case, in articles she isn’t.
i live in ireland? news to me.
Di Harris
July 8, 2021 @ 10:14 am
“there is no other way to read what you wrote. and you bring up how you don’t like margo price in every article that she is mentioned in and in this case, in articles she isn’t.”
A fallacy.
bob
July 7, 2021 @ 2:03 pm
We all know why there is no backlash against Nelly, especially by the media.
If there was, that would be what?? Say it with me everybody…
Oyster Boy
July 8, 2021 @ 6:26 am
I read through all of these comments and someone finally said the obvious.
Carla
July 7, 2021 @ 2:22 pm
I didn’t know this about Nelly, thanks for bringing to my attention. What a disgusting human that needs to be held accountable. I feel the same way about Chris Brown and Ike Turner. Will never buy their music or listen to them due to their despicable violence against women.
I.M. Brute
July 7, 2021 @ 2:25 pm
What? You’re surprised that a double standard exists? Ever seen any media coverage of the “Wichita Horror” that occurred in 2000? How about 2007’s Knoxville Murders? The nationwide “Knockout Game” phenomenon of a few years ago? But we all know by heart, chapter and verse, of every “white supremacist” microaggression that has taken place in the last 200 years. Why is that?
Trigger
July 7, 2021 @ 2:46 pm
For the record, I’m not sure anything here has to do with race. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t, though I was called “racist as fuck” by the social media manager of VICE when I first reported on the alleged Nelly rapes. As I said in the article, I believe this has more to do with timing, and an uninformed, and lazy media. My guess is most of the outlets posting articles about how Ryan Adams, Winston Marshall, and Morgan Wallen are irredeemable have no idea Nelly was accused multiple times of sexual assault. Hence, the need for this article.
BDE
July 7, 2021 @ 2:27 pm
Because record lables think they can market him to young white girls like all their other shitty attempts at forcing black people into country music like Lil Nas X, Blanco Brown, Kane Brown, and Mickey whatever her name is. Theres a potential new market to exploit so it doesnt matter if hes accused of sex crimes.
Rusty
July 7, 2021 @ 2:46 pm
I think the key word here is accusations. They can say and accuse people of anything but he has yet to be convicted so until that happens he should be treated as an innocent man
Hey Arnold
July 7, 2021 @ 3:14 pm
Same reason that Anthony Anderson (claims of inappropriate behavior) still has his sitcom & Jimmy Kimmel has a talk show…
They are democrats.
* Jimmy Kimmel did “blackface” years ago on his show & laughed in an interview at Megan Fox’s claims of abuse on the set of Transformers.
However, Megan Kelly got fired from The Today Show because she didn’t understand what Blackface was… the difference is that Kelly was a Republican and Kimmel is a democract.
People should be treated equally regardless of their political parties.
Jake Cutter
July 7, 2021 @ 3:41 pm
Good point. The biggest example of them all…Tara Reade.
Hey Arnold
July 7, 2021 @ 4:48 pm
I should note, i have no idea what political party Nelly belongs too. But most celebrities in California seem to lean Dem.
Canuck26
July 7, 2021 @ 3:45 pm
Nelly hasn’t been cancelled because no one has any clue who that even is
Gavin Richard Alan Argue
July 7, 2021 @ 4:58 pm
Freedom of speech is great but money will win out every time. Everyone tip toes around the black problem. There is a ridiculous double standard. The people make up thirteen percent of the population so if anything they are over represented. Truth is blacks should be thankful to slavery for them being here at all but nobody can say that despite it being true. They get a free pass to say whatever they want and any problem they have somehow becomes our fault. Nelly is nothing but a hood rat. Plain and simple. People need to stop acting as though we owe them something or they should be treated any differently than anybody else would. Where is the blame on their own people who sold them into slavery. The NAACP BLM and the rest should be treated like the hate groups they actually are but instead their nonsense only creates a double standard.
Doug Carter
July 7, 2021 @ 5:07 pm
Not that anyone will care, but I have reached my limit with this site. Jesus H. Christ. At least have the integrity to use your name when you post your beliefs.
My love of good music will be fine without Saving Country Music and it’s comments section.
Jake Cutter
July 7, 2021 @ 6:53 pm
Or…here’s a really weird and out there idea: Read the overwhelming majority of articles that are about music. I don’t agree with that comment either, and thankfully I’m not so easily triggered by opinions I don’t agree with…but if I was, I probably just wouldn’t read the comments.
Trigger
July 7, 2021 @ 5:09 pm
If being able to skirt past the pitfalls of cancel culture by being black is a perk, it comes at the expense of a litany of other negatives African Americans systemically face in American culture, and you don’t have to be pro BLM to recognize that. Again, I don’t know if race is the reason Nelly has faced virtually no backlash from the accusations against him. I chalk it up mostly to timing and lazy journalism. But making this issue about race will not help the cause.
CountryKnight
July 8, 2021 @ 7:45 am
Systemically face?
The current system gives out opportunities and scholarships for merely being black. Heck, BLM riots are allowed to burn buildings without consequence. The current system gives them every perk.
Trigger
July 8, 2021 @ 11:10 am
Many of the BLM rioters were affluent white kids from the suburbs trying to signal their virtue on Instagram.
CountryKnight
July 8, 2021 @ 2:51 pm
Yes, they were. And they are fools and lemmings easily led and tricked by charlatans.
That still doesn’t negate the fact that African-Americans receive plenty of benefits from the system while BLM was being allowed, even encouraged, by some to riot without consequence. Or that some government officials even want to provide reparations to them for something that last occurred 150+ years ago. If that is being systemically opposed, sign me up.
If African-Americans are systemically opposed so much by modern America, how could our most popular sports leagues (NFL/NBA) contain a majority of the athletes being black? Or how the most popular music is rap or hip-hop even in rural areas?
Are some negative factors present? Well, yes, of course, humanity is flawed. But it is not even close as horrid as BLM paints it to be. Especially when you see the actual numbers of blacks killed by the police. If it is actually a war (as BLM calls it) then the police are the world’s most incompetent soldiers.
Bob Harold
July 7, 2021 @ 6:40 pm
I think you’re lost – the website for the “black problem” is probably KKK.com (or Trump.com) but it’s certainly not this one, which is about discovering great country music…
Emmons Day
July 8, 2021 @ 8:47 pm
Holy shit buddy- I’m done. I’ve performed country music, good and bad, well and poorly, with nobodies and Grammy winners for 15 + years, and reading the objectively stupid racist garbage permitted in the comments – this isn’t the national conversation, this isn’t a political conversation, it’s not a conversation about country music, and it’s not a conversation about music- it’s some legit fringe bullshit that doesn’t need any more anonymous amplification. Really admire your intent, and nearly all the execution on this site- thanks for the good bits, and best of luck.
Trigger
July 8, 2021 @ 10:27 pm
Emmons Day,
I appreciate your concern. I specifically left this comment up so I could respond to it and offer my perspective, which I did, twice. Sometimes I do outright delete comments that I believe are overtly racist. But deleting the comment only makes the comment go away, not the ideology behind them. It has always been my belief that if you truly want to make inroads against bad ideas, you must challenge them in open discussion.
Allowing comments and agreeing with comments are two completely different things. In this case, I openly disagreed with it, so it’s pretty clear it doesn’t reflect either my opinion, or the values of this site.
Your readership, and everyone else’s is valued here. But I don’t think it’s fair to hold me to account for the opinions of others.
Doug Carter
July 9, 2021 @ 6:25 am
Just when I think I’m out, they pull me back in. ‘’In this case I openly disagreed with it’’ Hahahaha! The coward using an alias said, ‘’Truth is blacks should be thankful to slavery for them being here at all but nobody can say that despite it being true.’’, ‘’Nelly is nothing but a hood rat’’, and ‘’Where is the blame on their own people who sold them into slavery (sic).’’ You did not ‘’openly disagree’’ with any of that. You said, ‘’If being able to skirt past the pitfalls of cancel culture is a perk, it comes at the expense of a litany of other negatives African-Americans systemically face in American culture, and you don’t have to be pro BLM to recognize that. Again, I don’t know if race is the reason Nelly has faced virtually no backlash from the accusations against him. I chalk it up mostly to timing and lazy journalism. But making this issue about race will not help the cause.’’ If that was openly disagreeing with unambiguously racist statements, then we have a markedly different understanding of the meaning of ‘openly disagreeing with’. I understand your decision to allow such comments and make it ‘‘pretty clear it doesn’t reflect my opinion, or the values of this site.’’. But you did not make it clear the site does not value overt racism in it’s comments section. If you cannot unambiguously condemn the 3 statements I quoted, something is wrong with your policy. If you continue to deal with such comments in a similar manner, then, whether accurate or not, many SCM readers, not to mention artists like Isbell, Price, etc., will continue to think of you and this blog as condoning racists and misogynists at best, or being racist and misogynist at worst.
Emmons Day
July 9, 2021 @ 7:56 am
I appreciate everything you wrote- all fair points. I guess the difference is in where we draw the line on appropriate comments- posting that African Americans should be grateful for slavery is it for me, along with the poor poster feeling somehow muzzled and unable to express his insane theory without consequences, etc- that’s a few steps beyond Wallen being the dumbass he is. This is the shit roommate that drives everyone out of the house, until it’s only a house full of shitheads. While there remains a lucrative housing market for shitheads, I’d urge you to be the landlord that doesn’t needlessly put up with it/engage with it-right or wrong, you and your house are gonna come out covered in shit.
Trigger
July 9, 2021 @ 10:33 am
I’m certainly not trying to say that I am perfect in my judgement calls of of what comments get posted on this site. I start with the principle that censorship is almost always evil and should only be employed in a last case scenario, and if I feel like the best thing to do is to refute, disagree, educate, or offer a different perspective, that is the route I’m going to take. Should I have just deleted that guy’s comment, or at least edit out the “hood rat” statement? Perhaps. By I made a conscious choice, and I will take responsibility for it.
I remember when the Morgan Wallen incident occurred, I saw reams and reams of comments about how unfair it was that black people can use the N-word, and white people can’t. Instead of censoring these comments, I felt it was an opportunity to address why this is, and do it in a manner where you’re not screaming “Racist!” at people, but try to broaden their perspective by explaining how that word had been used to systemically downgrade African Americans for decades. Even more helpful, Morgan Wallen was saying the same things. Even if only 10% of the people defending Morgan Wallen had their minds open, that’s a victory. Eliminating them from the discussion entirely would only have resulted in them continuing on with their wrong-minded opinion.
Eduardo Vargas
July 7, 2021 @ 6:16 pm
Jeez I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen so many being so rude to Trig on the comment section. Grow the hell up people
Ian
July 7, 2021 @ 6:26 pm
Personally I am more curious as to who is Nelly’s legal and PR representation. Why some public figures slip through the cracks and some seem like they are unfairly getting shit on is really like trying to figure out how many angels fit on the head of a pin.
Bob Harold
July 7, 2021 @ 6:35 pm
Jeez! Trigger is like Willie Nelson or Merle Haggard or Del McCoury, in the sense that they’ve all done so much great work over the years that past a point they get to do whatever the heck they want without being second-guessed/nagged to death… Give the man a break – if you don’t like the article then either don’t read it or move on with your life, but enough with the “I’m an anonymous internet troll who thinks this website sucks because…” Get a life people!
AdamAmericana
July 7, 2021 @ 7:43 pm
Wow, it’s disgusting to see so many comments that are goose steeping to the beat of overt racism. But hey, when Trump is half of America’s golden boy it’s not shocking.
Jimmy
July 7, 2021 @ 10:56 pm
I love the fact that Trump completely owns you and those of your ilk. The man lives rent free in your tiny brain; he eats away at your core and drives you nuts. You are obsessed about this man you love to hate. And why do you hate him? Because your tv told you to.
Trigger
July 7, 2021 @ 10:59 pm
Let’s please not with Trump discussions here.
Doug Carter
July 9, 2021 @ 7:08 am
Please, no mention of Trump, but feel free to refer to a Black male as a ‘hood rat’. Mr. Coroneos, when you directly say ‘No Trump discussion’, but do not directly condemn unambiguously racial comments, you cannot be upset and frustrated when some people form a negative opinion of your blog.
Trigger
July 9, 2021 @ 10:39 am
First, there are comments that have been left in this comments section (and others) that have been deleted for racial insensitivity or outright racism. Nobody’s comments on Trump have been deleted, I was simply making a request. Trump discussions go absolutely nowhere. I allowed the comment at issue through because I saw an opportunity to help broaden the perspective of an individual when it comes to race. Maybe I succeeded, maybe I failed. But I felt the opportunity was important enough to try. Because that at least presents an opportunity to move forward.
These are not easy decisions to make. I do the best I can. I appreciate everyone’s understanding. But the fact that commenters don’t represent the opinions of this website, only of themselves should be a given.
AdamAmericana
July 8, 2021 @ 6:48 pm
Jimmy, you’re deluded. Trump espoused birtherism, praised Putin, incited a riot and spread conspiracy theories. But you do you, bruh.
T-grondo
July 9, 2021 @ 9:54 am
AdamAmericana…..
“Wow, it’s disgusting to see so many comments that are goose steeping to the beat of overt racism. But hey, when Trump is half of America’s golden boy it’s not shocking.”
Hey….you left out the obligatory reference to Fox News…
(come on man…git yer head in the game…)
Di Harris
July 9, 2021 @ 2:30 pm
“Wow, it’s disgusting to see so many comments that are goose steeping to the beat of overt racism.”
You will want to attrubute that comment to MSNBC-philes. Etc.
And the CRT-philes. Etc.
Cute Nazi reference in your statement.
But, you do you, bruh
63Guild
July 7, 2021 @ 10:47 pm
Trig: “everyone has a right to be considered innocent until proven guilty’ along with since no charges have stuck he can do gainful employment as he sees fit
Also Trig: rest of the article.
You’re better than this
Trigger
July 7, 2021 @ 11:12 pm
I feel like the logic of the article is sound. I attempted to convey the gravity of the accusations against Nelly, while balancing it between the consequences others have experienced for lesser concerns, and ultimately concluding that all parties should be extended paths to redemption. I wasn’t trying to hide a subversive agenda here. I attempted to use the assumption of what my conclusion on this matter would be to flip the script, and attempt to convey a life lesson beyond music. I’ll take credit if it didn’t work or I didn’t communicate it well. But I don’t think I was being contradictory.
kross
July 8, 2021 @ 5:23 am
why was he ever accepted into country in the first place. he’s a hip-hop artist.
#BobWillsIsStillTheKing
July 8, 2021 @ 6:08 am
A love poem.
Americans are funny
Americans are sad
Americans have their head up their own ass
Americans try to save their music
Butt they not saving shit
They just kill it of instead
America had Elvis
America had Duke
Butt they had left the building
So now they just have fools
Americans are funny
Americans are sad
All together with their heads up eachothers ass
We love your people
Always sing and dance
We love your country
It’s a funny butt sad romance
LB Newton
July 8, 2021 @ 7:09 am
The question was why is Nelly still accepted in country music? The almighty dollar would be guess.
ddymac
July 8, 2021 @ 7:47 am
I think Trig brings up some fair comparisons but the real question might be why does FGL get a pass for the collab. We have seen other artist blacklisted just for their affiliation with someone that is deemed unfit by the media. But the darlings of the record business are free to do so without any brush back. You can’t argue with this song being liked by the public with the #1 stream but there is nothing country about the song except the industries love for FGL. Makes me wonder if one of the FGL boys were caught saying what Morgan Wallen said would the outrage would be the same. By the way I have no tears for Morgan Wallen, You choose to make your living in the public eye you get to experience the impacts both when they love you and when you do something stupid.
CountryKnight
July 8, 2021 @ 7:51 am
Because it is just claims. Not an actual conviction or admission of guilt. Your example of Dr. Luke shows that. The claims weren’t proven but the man was cast as the villain. You even wrote an excellent article on the topic.
I am no Nelly fan but the man has only been accused. I am not in favor of canceling someone because they were accused. Let’s not weaponize accusations.
And the rest of your examples shouldn’t have been cancelled either. Cancellation should be cancelled. It is just dumb and an example of small minds. We moderns mock Salem for their witch trials but we certainly haven’t progressed as much as we claim. We are as narrowminded as they were.
Tex Hex
July 8, 2021 @ 9:53 am
Only read half the piece and none of the comments, so maybe it’s already been mentioned but the hip-hop world across decades is riddled with countless cases of rape, abuse, assault, and murder, with very little recourse from fans, authorities, and courts.
As just one example, Dr. Dre (of NWA and Beats by Dre headphones fame, now a subsidiary of Apple) threw a woman through and door and down a stairwell in front of many witnesses in the early 90’s (among other documented assaults), but remains one of the world’s wealthiest and most celebrated entertainers. Hmm?
This is not an indictment of the inherent art or value of the genre itself, which I’ve been a fan of for decades (less so now though), but of an obviously toxic culture that permeates it which inexplicably remains above reproach.
Steven
July 8, 2021 @ 3:11 pm
Does Nelly identify as a liberal? If so, that might be a clue. Although Ryan Adams most probably is a liberal too… skin colour?
mason
July 8, 2021 @ 8:19 pm
Morgan Wallen was back on my local airwaves this past weekend. Maybe he’s been uncanceled?
Bibs
July 9, 2021 @ 8:32 am
I think the premise of the article is fine. The comments are over the top on both sides. The fact is that many issues have an element of race, but it’s sad to see so many people not be able to discuss race fairly. The truth is the black community faced a huge burden from the very end of the civil war. However, it is also a fact that the black community is it’s own worst enemy. When you have an 80% divorce rate, a large percentage of absent fathers and don’t even attempt to educate your children, you can’t expect your quality of life to improve. There have been trillions spent trying to help blacks overcome their rightful hardships, but it’s been largely a waste. Systemic racism is largely a joke. I have spent time in the military and the public sector and have never once seen having black skin do anything but give a person an advantage for promotions, etc. The black folks living in the US are the wealthiest black people in any nation at any time in history. I don’t feel real sorry for African Americans as a whole at this point. I do feel that all people should be given fair and equitable treatment in all areas of life. When we have to make special rules for blacks so they can get into schools and get certain jobs, what we are really saying is that they can’t earn it own their own. I think they can earn it own their own, but the first step is to get an education and start living responsible lives. Most Americans that do those two things are fairly successful in life. By the way, BLM is a radical organization. The Utah chapter’s leader just called the American flag a racists symbol. She’s not a rich, white kid running around. They have destroyed millions, possibly billions of dollars of private folks property and assaulted people as well. Don’t ignore that fact. I’m sure this will be deleted, but that’s life!
Bibs
July 9, 2021 @ 9:02 am
Thanks for including my earlier post. I don’t always agree with you, but my life is far better from your website. The music you introduce us to would probably be unfindable without you. The artists that you feature in Texas or other places out west wouldn’t be on our radar on the east coast without you and your site. People that attack this article are missing the big picture and what’s really important. It seems more and more Americans simply try to tear down everything that they don’t personally approve of. That fact is killing our country from cancel culture to not being able to be fiscally responsible. Everybody wants to balance the national budget until some of it comes from their pocket. Thanks again for introducing me to great music that I would have no idea about otherwise.
Buskertype
July 9, 2021 @ 10:01 am
Do you really not understand why Nelly can say n—- and Morgan Wallen can’t??
You’re right about a few things here, but this and calling Andy Ngo a journalist are way off
Trigger
July 9, 2021 @ 10:21 am
When the Morgan Wallen incident came up, I went out of my way to explain to people why it wasn’t okay for white people to use that word under any circumstance. Frankly, I don’t think black people should be using that word either, and as soon as they stop, less white people would use it in the context Morgan Wallen did, which was citing a commonly-used phrase in hip-hop music, NOT as an insult to an African American.
I have no opinion on Andy Ngo, beyond recognizing that like most journalists in 2021, he brings a slanted and ideological perspective to his reporting. My only point is recommending a book should not be more alarming and result in someone losing their career in music than credible accusations from three separate women that the same man raped or sexually assaulted them.
T-grondo
July 9, 2021 @ 12:43 pm
I watched the Nelly/FGL video on U-Tube….are you sure this wasn’t a commercial for Dodge trucks and Lay’s Potato Chips ????
I also read some of the U-Tube comments. They were all positive… In fact, many of the commenters praised Nelly/FGL for bring the races together… Maybe those attitudes play a part in Mr N’s past not being held against him…?
The attempted banning of M Wallen from radio seemed to have made him more popular with his fan base…
But the Mump-n-Son banjo dude…? At first I thought he was being a pussy… Now it sounds like he may be expanding his “Brand” and setting himself up as a podcaster/conservative media talking head/blah, blah, blah…. (A lucrative direction now a days)
Did anyone go to the Slate link and read that piece ? (written by…Luke Winkie)
I found the first sentience….PRETTY FUCKIN’ HILARIOUS…!!!!
“Winston Marshall risked it all last week. The man is probably the single most successful banjo player in history.”
Really….Mr Winkie….Winston Marshall is the most successful banjo player in history…????
Allow me to introduce you to…..Earl Scruggs.
Trigger
July 9, 2021 @ 1:10 pm
One of the reasons I chose the top image for this article was to illustrate how insane it is that Nelly is not only fully embraced by mainstream country, but is starring in product endorsements for major corporations. One of the things the mobs that look to “cancel” individuals do is go after their sponsors. The fact that Nelly is actively starring in a video that really is nothing more that a commercial for Lays potato chips and RAM trucks is very telling.
T-grondo
July 10, 2021 @ 6:06 pm
It’s funny how some entertainment celebrities get a pass while other celebs are crucified….
The Outrage Mob thinks they can use social media to intimidate sponsors, and in most cases they can. But someone like Nelly has a loyal fan base who will go on social media and defend their guy…! If you go back to the 2017 rape allegation and read the Twitter comments, for every “Nelly is Guilty” #believeallwomen….there were 10 “Nelly didn’t do it” #thebitchblyin!!!!!
Lay’s P-Chips and Dodge see that ratio and think..”Well…Nelly’s fans Stand By Their Man, guess it won’t affect our bottom line….Call em’…!!!!”
The “powers that be” in mainstream country are just like the major corps…if there’s not enough of an outrage to affect the money…they let it slide.
Trigger
July 10, 2021 @ 7:55 am
I can’t express to you how frustrating it is to read the writing of journalists decidedly outside of the country/roots fold try to write about country and roots. They very often have no idea what they’re talking about, but throw stuff out with the most incredible authority like that proclamation about Winston Marshall. I would never have the audacity to make such a proclamation about music outside of country. I am not qualified to make those calls. There just are no standards left in media.
T-grondo
July 10, 2021 @ 6:08 pm
The Slate writer could’ve just done a little research…pretty easy in the information age. But I think he was more interested in getting to the main thrust of his article: “Winston is a crazy right wing nut..!”
Penn Central
July 10, 2021 @ 7:46 pm
This Lays/Ram commercial….ub…tacky video they should have added Halo Top being eaten by FGL with them driving a Prius.
Anthony
July 11, 2021 @ 10:10 am
I think some people need to more carefully read the article before commenting and criticizing it.
Cancel culture is BS, but if it must exist, Trigger makes a strong point in asking why a man accused of sexually assaulting three women hasn’t been cancelled, and yet a man who merely used an offensive word and another man who merely recommended a book have been cancelled.
It’s also worth asking why a godawful rapper, regardless of his criminal history, is somehow a go-to booking in country.
yoo nelly
July 12, 2021 @ 11:48 pm
accusations only strengthen a rappers brand since every song is about “bitches and ho’s” “come suck dis d*** ho” “Ima beat your ass”. “dat btich trying to take my money hell no” Are we that shocked?