Josh ‘Jashie P’ Nutting of Outlaw Radio Threatens Assault
Jashie P Nutting, podcaster of Outlaw Radio Chicago, and operator of the Outlaw Radio Chicago network on Shooter Jennings’ blackcountryrock.org site, as well as a contributor to Shooter’s new “Moonrunners” blog site and a lieutenant in Shooter’s XXX music movement, threatened assault towards me, the lovable huggable Triggerman on Tuesday night (1-3-12). Jashie is also the frontman and mandolin player for the punk roots band “Last False Hope”, who has such uplifting songs as “Giving Up God For Lent”, and whose LP “Methlehem” will be released later this year. And no, it’s not a bit. Their angle is to insult people of faith.
Without having the rocks to call me by name, he referred to me as a “cocksucking faggot” on his Facebook page late Tuesday night. Later in the Facebook comment thread he threatened to assault me while recounting a completely fictitious story, saying:
…the one time he met Steve and I he kissed our ass to get out of a beating, and then the next day continues his online pussy rants. We will see him again in September. It won’t be the same as the past when I let things slide for being the “good guy”.
For the record, Jashie is referring to the Muddy Roots Festival in Cookeville, TN for this September encounter. I sure don’t remember kissing anyone’s ass to get out of a “beating”, seems like something I would remember. And I believe there’s about 1,000 other witnesses that could vouch such an altercation did not happen. I was too busy to kiss anyone’s ass over the weekend except for the band’s whose gear I was schlepping on and off stage. And even though at some point I was apparently on my knees begging for his mercy with my lips firmly implanted on his maximus, also have absolutely no idea who “Steve” is.
Then a few of Jashie’s friends join in on the threats. Someone named Chris Whooten says:
Do it Texas style and bust a beer bottle over his head….sounds like he deserves it.
For the record, I live in Texas, was born and raised here, and don’t have any knowledge of smashing beer bottles over people’s heads is more common in Texas than anywhere else.
Then someone named Jonathan R Goldyn offers to Jashie, “Do you want me to call my people?” and Jashie replies “Yeah Johnny. Thanks! Punx Unite!” And then Jonathan says, “Fuck yeah bro some buddy gonna get shanked”.
Find a complete screen shot of the conversation below.
Unfortunately neither Jonathan nor any of his scuzzy friends showed up to “shank” me, which was disappointing because I was really looking forward to being stabbed with a crudely fashioned prison instrument when really since we’re both on the outside, a real knife would’ve done just fine. My guess is they instead took some Xanax and picked their noses for 4 hours till they fell asleep. Because they’re hardcore like that.
Jashie P broadcasted his “Outlaw Radio Chicago” podcast from Saving Country Music’s SCM LIVE until I approached Jashie in early 2011 voicing concerns that were brought to me by his listeners about his show and about Jashie on a personal level. After that, Jashie decided to leave SCM LIVE and the split was amicable, but in the aftermath and in the context of Shooter’s XXX movement, things went sour.
However I have never threatened Jashie P, insulted him, or otherwise acted inappropriately towards him in or out of any context. Folks who feel differently are welcome to leave their thoughts, evidence, links, screen shots, etc. below, but violence and threats of violence are never justifyable, and always unnecessary. Either enact violence, or don’t enact violence; there’s no reason to talk about it. That includes when in good nature, we’re picking on some pop country guy on SCM and someone thinks its funny to threaten taking a tire iron to him in a dark alley. We’re better than that. Nothing justifies violence except stopping violence itself.
There are many reasons I am posting this. I will assume an intelligent reader and not list all of them. One reason though is because I sincerely want to apologize to the Saving Country Music reader, and the underground/independent roots music community for bringing Jashie into the fold in the first place, and giving him an outlet. Folks that want to call me a crybaby or a pussy or an asshole for posting this, there’s a space for you to do so below. Unfortunately Jashie won’t be able to, because he is now permanently banned from Saving Country Music.
Jashie is going through a tough time in his life right now and I understand that. On a personal level I have voiced serious concerns to Jashie about his well-being many times, and he has decided to take these honest homages as insults. I sincerely hope the best for Jashie & his family, but we all have personal tragedies at any given time in our lives. The only difference is how we decide to share those tragedies with others, and if we use them to create understanding, or somehow justify bad behavoir.
Jashie’s rant was a reaction to when he posted a snarky comment on my The 6 ‘Other’ Country Archetypes article, and I responded in a heavy handed manner. The comment thread was later removed in accordance with SCMS’s comment rules. Jashie has been asked repeatedly by Shooter Jennings and I to not come to SCM or to communicate with me because over the last year he has been the linchpin for the majority of the drama between XXX and SCM.
If Jashie would have referred to me by name, I would have laughed it off. But everyone accused of something has a right to have their name tied to the accusation. I am not asking anyone to choose sides or to take some sort of retaliation, I simply want people to know, it was I Jashie was calling a “cocksucking faggot”, that he says “kissed his ass” to get out of a “beating” It was I who Jashie inferred he would beat next time he saw, and whose friend Jonathan R Goldyn promised to “shank”.
January 5, 2012 @ 11:17 am
Dude, this seems better fit for livejournal than your website.
January 5, 2012 @ 11:26 am
I couldn’t agree more. But after 7 months of trying to talk sense to the guy, repeatedly asking him to give SCM and I personal space, after reaching out to Shooter Jennings to to the same thing, and him consistently being the lynchpin for drama between Shooter and I and XXX fans, I decided it was time to grab the biggest bullhorn at my dispose and try to end this thing once and for all. It is my sincere hope that now he will respect my 7 month call for space, and he will go over to his side of the yard to do what he wants, and XXX and I can go back to promoting music.
January 5, 2012 @ 12:06 pm
What a douche….
January 5, 2012 @ 12:32 pm
This is sad. Why would you bring up the song titles and insist he is trying to insult the religious? It didn’t seem necessary to me. Do you post about artists who write negatively about Atheists? I’m not in favor of his behavior, it’s immature. I’m also in favor of songs that question beliefs.
January 5, 2012 @ 12:43 pm
Questioning people’s beliefs and outright insulting people of belief to bring yourself attention are two different things. There is a big difference between Last False Hope, and James McMurtry.
I agree it is slightly out of context. However so is Last False Hope’s music and the values that govern Saving Country Music, which is NOT to push faith or atheism on anybody, but to respect everyone’s religious or non-religious beliefs. The point of that comment was to create distance from those elements, which in part was the point of this article as well.
January 5, 2012 @ 12:49 pm
I understand your point. I think that the slightest criticism of religion is seen as offensive to the religious. I just thought it was a little weird, almost like you were asking for religious people to beware. He’s an idiot! I’ve definitely seen better attempts at religious criticism.
January 5, 2012 @ 12:34 pm
I used favor a lot in that post. Ha ha. I admire your work by the way.
January 5, 2012 @ 12:43 pm
All due respect, I don’t come here to read about stuff like this. From best to worst, there are people that: solve conflict, ignore conflict, and escalate conflict. Most of this stupid stuff with XXX seems to reflect the latter.
January 5, 2012 @ 12:55 pm
If I may, this article seems to be written for the longtime SCM reader, and I appreciate it. Triggerman represents the good nature of good music while jashie and oXthXerXs don’t. Thanks
January 5, 2012 @ 2:43 pm
To each his own, but I’ve been reading since this was freehank3 on myspace. In the end stuff like this makes all involved look bad. The sooner it ends the better.
January 5, 2012 @ 1:31 pm
I know you don’t come here for stuff like this Big A and I apologize. But the whole point of this and the point of publishing it in this context WAS an attempt to RESOLVE a 7 month conflict in which all other avenues to resolve it were exhausted. And specifically, to attempt to end much of the drama going on between SCM and XXX. You may believe that, or not believe that, but that honestly was my approach.
January 5, 2012 @ 10:00 pm
I just don’t see how publishing this leads to anything remotely resembling a resolution. Not that the Facebook comments are any help either but I never would have seen them had they not been posted here.
January 5, 2012 @ 12:45 pm
A rivalry behind computers = Internet shit-talking. Grow up both of you! Take this shit down…
January 5, 2012 @ 1:32 pm
No.
January 5, 2012 @ 12:56 pm
Lame! Just keep up the fight man! You are doing an amazing thing here. We fans understand that!
January 5, 2012 @ 1:03 pm
I don’t come here for things like this, keep this to facebook if it has to happen.
January 5, 2012 @ 1:41 pm
If I thought posting this on Facebook, the SCM Message Board, or any other outlet would have been a more suitable or effective place to post it, I would have done so. And I fully admit, it is out of character and out of context to post something like this here. Obviously, I thought deep and hard before posting it, and decided it was best. I am sure it will mean a few folks not coming here any more, or not coming here as often, and you know what, I’m OK with that. I hope that they understand this was a necessary anomaly, and like I’ve been doing for 4 years, I plan to put my head down to the task of Saving Country Music, listening to the criticism of my readers, peers, and mentors, and doing the best I can, and hopefully eventually I will win those few folks back.
And on a more technical note, not that I am worried or scared at all that at any point, now or in the future am I under any threat from anybody, and if someone did want to give me a “beating” or “shank” me, I would be a man and defend myself, and if I couldn’t defend myself for whatever reason,I would take it like a man. But now there will be a recorded context of what was threatened and by who just in case any altercations take place, that anybody will be able to find simply by going to Google.
January 5, 2012 @ 1:54 pm
I decided a long time ago that I wouldn’t let any individual’s actions drive me away from their music or anyone else’s. If that were the case, I would have stopped listening to Metallica a long time ago. While you can’t ignore it, I don’t let things like this get in my way of enjoying good music, or hearing about good music. I continue to support any band that sounds good, or anywhere I can find out about music I enjoy.
January 5, 2012 @ 1:03 pm
I’ve seen enough at Muddy Roots to know that Trig is the real deal, furthermore, the content on this site (especially for those of us on the east coast far separated from some of the better underground country scenes) is priceless. I’ve never seen anything malicious coming out of Trig’s mouth, and he even gives some artists the benefit of the doubt that don’t necessarily deserve it. Seems to me that there’s just a lot of misplaced anger and it’s sad that things had to escalate to this. But finger-pointing aside, Trig was extremely polite to me when I met him, and I’ll continue to support him and this site as long as he keeps pumping out the latest and greatest.
January 5, 2012 @ 1:08 pm
Hey Triggerman, keep up the good work.
Savingcountrycom. is a great source of info over in Europe!!!!
Don’t let him distract you from your great reviews
January 5, 2012 @ 1:31 pm
Entertainment. Keep up the good work and Be a duck, let this shit roll of your back.
January 5, 2012 @ 1:45 pm
Sounds like a WWE storyline to me..
January 5, 2012 @ 1:52 pm
A Cage Match @ Muddy Roots??? LMAO
January 5, 2012 @ 2:19 pm
This all seems blown out of proportion. I have been a listener to Outlaw Radio for a few years and have been to this site a few times. Sometimes (most times), people on facebook say stuff that is obviously not true and are just letting off some steam. This is honestly the only time I have seen or heard Joshie say anything negative about this site (a few episodes back, he even mentioned he tried to reach out to you via email with no luck). And isn’t it better that your name wasn’t used, as it was obviously frustrating? I read the comments written in the other article and what you said could very well be perceived as rude when Joshie simply mentioned his friend in the picture didn’t listen to country music. This is just sad as people such as myself enjoy both the site and the show. Both introduce me to great music I have never heard elsewhere. I have even met Joshie at a show near Chicago a while back and he seemed great in person. I am sure physical violence would never actually happen. This is why facebook and twitter are such bad ways to express yourself. And, I also noticed hat the post listed above has been taking down for Joshie’s personal page.
January 5, 2012 @ 3:06 pm
“Sometimes (most times), people on facebook say stuff that is obviously not true and are just letting off some steam.”
But that doesn’t make it right.
“isn”™t it better that your name wasn”™t used, as it was obviously frustrating?”
No. No, no, no. It is never acceptable to accuse anybody of being a “faggot” without using their name. It is a pussy move. Not naming names but calling people out is an awful, pathetic trend on Facebook and other social sites that people use to get sympathy and attention from others that is wrong every time it is done. If Jashie would have used my name, I would have resolved the situation right there. He crossed the line by insulting me directly and by threatening me, but what really escalated this situation is when he refused to use my name. That is the reason this article exists. I will not let Jashie or anyone else get away with accusing someone of being a “faggot” or anything else without allowing the accused the courtesy of being named when everybody knows who it is anyway.
“I read the comments written in the other article and what you said could very well be perceived as rude when Joshie simply mentioned his friend in the picture didn”™t listen to country music.”
Jashie was being sarcastic and he knows it. The reason that this situation has escalated to this is because for 7 months I have politely asked Jashie to please give me some space in hopes our friendship could be rekindled. Along with continuing to make mistakes and insulting me privately, even though I continuously asked him to stop calling, texting, emailing, and commenting on the site, like a 12-year-old boy who can’t stop fondling with his privates, every two weeks or so Jashie would text me, email me, comment on the site, etc. Then when I wouldn’t respond he would call me a faggot. I reached out to Shooter Jennings. Shooter requested that Jashie give me some space. This was over two months ago now. Again, Jashie emails, comments, and texts. And when I wouldn’t respond, his immediate response was to call me a faggot or a pussy, and for some reason bring up my age like he did in the above Facebook thread. At this point, I had no other option than the nuclear one to get this dude to understand I do not want to communicate with him.
Beyond that man, if you’re a fan of Outlaw Radio Chicago, I say hell yeah, keep on listening and supporting Jashie, and don’t let my opinions or experiences taint your enjoyment of his show. Use your own experiences to judge it. Nowhere here did I tell people to not support his show. I thought good enough of it at one point to put it on this site. But Jashie changed.
January 5, 2012 @ 3:52 pm
Just curious, not trying to take sides, but do you have any defense on why you wouldn’t respond to Joshie’s email? He has went so far as to read what he wrote to you on his show to ask listeners if was appropriate and un-offensive. From what was said, the emails explained his side of things and even asked for forgiveness. You even stated above that you took every road to trying to resolve this problem the past 7 months. Wouldn’t responding to an email in a mature fashion be a proper first step? I have heard nothing but positive things said about you and your site on his programming, and him going out of the way to let us listeners know that he is doing his damndest to taking the high road, while, at the same time, people have seen negativity from your end.
the comments on facebook are inappropriate sure, but obviously come from built up frustration. I have seen comments from yourself insulting artists or simple readers on your site that do not agree with you. Sure, empty threats were never made, but, none the less, insults were thrown out of context.
January 5, 2012 @ 6:51 pm
That’s a good question Hector. I’m not sure what specific email you are referring to, I believe there is one he has read aloud or something, but it is untrue that I did not or have not responded to him at all, and even if I didn’t, that is my right to not respond if I don’t want to. I have no obligation to respond to anybody. For as many emails as Jashie sent me asking to patch things up, there were just as many that called me a “bitch”, a “pussy” and a “faggot”. Those are the three words he used commonly, and they would also be followed by a dig at how old I was, just like the above Facebook thread. For the record, I am 35, not 33. Of course, Jashie will probably not read those emails out loud or make them public, but they are there, and in all fairness, so were some that were trying to patch things up.
But the problem was that no matter how much Jashie wanted to “patch things up” he NEVER would apologize or even acknowledge the problems that has caused the falling out in the first place. And a few of the times I did respond and explained this to him, he still did not acknowledge or apologize for the problems. As I explained to Jashie, as long as he was unwilling to apologize, then the pattern of behavior was going to continue.
The other thing that is very important to understand is that I am a very very busy person. I am on dozens of email lists from bands, labels, publicists, etc, and spend hours a day reading and corresponding. Sometimes it takes me days to get to certain emails, especially when they concern drama, and not important here-and-now issues. There were a few times I meant to respond to Jashie, but by the time I got to the email, he was already pissed off I hadn’t responded, and then would call me a “little bitch” bring up my age. This happened in text messages as well.
I specifically remember one time I was at the Pickathon Festival in Portland, watching Eilen Jewel from the photographers pit. Jashie texted me asking if I wanted to do a review for a split record he was doing. I did not hear my phone because I was right by a speaker. An hour later, as I was walking to the back of the festival, I got another text from Jashie, and that when I noticed the first one. After I didn’t respond for an hour, he called me a pussy, and then asked me, “Aren’t you 33 or something?”
And the last thing that I will say is that people deal with conflict and resolution differently. Over the last 7 months, I had continuously asked Jashie to give me space so that we could hopefully make up and be friends. This process was dogged by Jashie behavior, for example him telling folks I put restrictions on his show and that is why he had to leave. But Jashie NEVER, NEVER respected my request for space. When I said “space”, I told him, “I will email you when I’m ready”, think about a month or 6 week term, similar to what you may do with a girlfriend. Jashie would wait three days, send me a text, and when I wouldn’t respond he’d call me a faggot. Then he email me, email me again, and then I would finally respond, and then we would start the process all over again. After this happening for 7 months, and Jashie going on Facebook and posting ambiguous statements about how I was a pussy and referring to my age, I’d had enough. If Jashie would have just given me a month in March or April, none of this probably would have happened.
January 5, 2012 @ 6:56 pm
And as for me insulting artist, there is a line, and I never cross it. Sure, I’ll call Brantley Gilbert a “doucher”. But I would never call him a “faggot”. All my history with Taylor Swift, I never once used the term “bitch” to refer to her. And as much as I might pick on pop country types, I honestly do not judge these people on a personal level. If Brantley Gilbert was here, I would shake his hand. And same goes with commenters. Yes, I’m a snarky son-of-a-bitch, but there’s a line, and threatening personal harm on someone, especially in the context of a completely fictitious story is never acceptable, regardless of the context. And maybe I’m an old fool from the old school, but I think it would have been more respectable for Jashie to throw a punch at me, than to threaten to.
January 5, 2012 @ 7:09 pm
Are you actually afraid of the threat he made to you, and this is why this story has come about? Because, that is just silly. Have you ever heard a folla say “god, I am gonna kill that guy!” I bet he doesn’t go out and commit murder afterwards.
Joshie lives near me, and I have spoke to him on occasions at a concert hall called Regie’s. He is the biggest supporter of music I have ever run into and is very passionate about his place in the country music. You call him a liar all over the place in this article, but who is to tell that you are not the one lying?
Even if all this is true what you say, what made you not want to just email him and say “hey man, the name calling should stop, let’s work this out”. Why make it public and not let him respond? Because you want people to be against him and for you. Sure, you said “by all means, continue to listen to his podcast”, but you are obviously trying to get people against him. I have argued with many people, many times and settled it face to face or by phone. I wouldn’t bury that person.
Also brought up on his podcast that I remember, he asked for you to come on and talk it out in person. Certainly, enough people that you know, must have heard that and i guarantee it got back to you. Why not work it out while everybody can hear? All your thoughts could’ve came out than.
January 5, 2012 @ 9:18 pm
“Are you actually afraid of the threat he made to you, and this is why this story has come about?”
There is nothing more deflating then when you really think you’re making headway with a commenter that disagrees with you and though you may continue to disagree, understanding will be gleamed from it…and then they reveal themselves as a complete dolt. Did you really just ask me this question. And then did you really infer I am making all of this up, that I fabricated screen shots and made all this big to do about something that doesn’t exist? You really think this is how I want to spend my time? Come on man, even Jashie isn’t saying this never happened. Get with the program man, you’re supposed to say Jashie thought I had insulted his recently-deceased mother-in-law and he over-reacted. COme on man, get with the program!
January 5, 2012 @ 3:13 pm
Ok…this whole thing is getting a bit ridiculous. While I totally understand your point of wanting to defend yourself, honestly, I would not have had a clue who he was talking about by reading those posts. You KNOW I have been a fan of SCM since the days of myspace…still am. I may not comment all the time, but I do read the blogs. Sounds like this Jashie dude has some personal demons to deal with. So what if he’s running his mouth on the internet? LOADS of people do that. It’s easy to do when you’re behind the computer screen. What really disappoints me is that I’m starting to see a lot of the shit talk coming from people I respect. I still have respect for you, Trig, as I have never ever seen anything of this nature from you before. But really, the dude sounds troubled, and maybe the bigger thing to do would be just to leave it alone and let him stew in his own self-induced misery. You are better than this. Get back to promoting the music we love and leave the dirty laundry and mudslinging to the polititians.
January 5, 2012 @ 3:44 pm
Carrie, as I’ve said a few times before, if I thought I had a better solution or a more appropriate outlet for this situation, I would have done it or used it. Nobody should think that I posted this with carelessness, or without exhausting every other option. I know there is a lot of folks that don’t want to see this stuff, and I apologize. But I have a right and obligation to defend myself. If you want to read about music, I have posted dozens of reviews and features over the last few weeks. Barely anybody has read about my album and artists of the year. 90% of what I do is support music, on and off the internet. I apologize is if it’s only the 10% of other stuff that happens to draw a crowd.
January 5, 2012 @ 3:20 pm
Dude, I purposely stay away from this kind of drama. I’m allergic to bullshit it and life is too short. it’s about the music not the assholes. Be safe, Tex.
January 6, 2012 @ 12:12 pm
What he said
January 5, 2012 @ 3:24 pm
I said I wouldn’t make a comment on this type of story again, but I must say this is the type of thing I’ve been saying hurts this movement. I understand your position Triggerman & why you had to post this here. People like JP are trying to bring this movement down from the inside. They would rather focus on in fighting then makeing the artist we love known to more people. Keep up the good work & try to ignore the haters.
January 5, 2012 @ 3:27 pm
Isn’t the term “faggot” supposed to be pretty taboo these days,especially on a public Facebook page? Oh wait,I forgot,the whole ‘Outlaw” thing…
“Punx Unite!” That’s a good one too. Got a good Jason Aldean-Brantley Gilbertish tone to it.
January 5, 2012 @ 3:39 pm
I want to say something to defend Josh here, as he is one of my best friends and a genuinely good person, but I know anything I say will be refuted and perhaps deleted because of my connection to him. I have sat by and watched Josh take the high road while you have spewed insults on twitter (including ones about me). I would like to continue taking the high road myself, but publishing an article on this website bashing Josh for a Facebook post is something I can’t ignore.
Josh’s Facebook post was in response to a remark he had heard secondhand regarding the recent and sudden death of his wife’s mother. The remark was quite vile and completely unnecessary. I imagine that anyone who had heard it (even secondhand) would have responded in a similar manner. We all talk shit from time to time, if we mean it or not. Perhaps posting about it on Facebook wasn’t the proper thing to do, but it happened. Josh is obviously going through a difficult time and it was a knee-jerk reaction.
In the end, this entire feud is based on hearsay and rumors and general bullshit. Josh left in an amicable fashion and tried to keep it that way for a very long time. It is my view that you have egged him on repeatedly and this is no different. Here I see you trying to gain sympathizers and pit people against Josh. I find it extremely childish and hope people see through what you are doing.
Save country music without the drama.
January 5, 2012 @ 6:30 pm
“I have sat by and watched Josh take the high road while you have spewed insults on twitter (including ones about me).”
With all due respect Nellie, this is based on your perspective. There is much more that has happened publicly and privately that you have not been privy to. The twitter clashes were in the context of Jashie calling blackcountryrock.org the “only” source for information on this type of music, and for Moonrunners building verbal shots at me into their branding that they have since taken down. But beyond that, yeah, I am still bitter that when I asked him if you could do a show on SCM LIVE and Jashie vetoed it to then add you to his network without even an apology. It has always been a focus of mine to give special preference to female artists, and I’ve wanted to have a female-only show on there for a long time. I t also seems to me and many other folks that he had the whole thing planned from the beginning.
“Josh”™s Facebook post was in response to a remark he had heard secondhand regarding the recent and sudden death of his wife”™s mother.”
All the more reason that I needed to post this article and set the record straight. Yeah, as we speak there’s a bunch of knuckleheads on Facebook saying that I called Jashie’s wife a “bitch” and insulted his dead mother-in-law, and you know what I’m OK with that, because anybody who would believe that, I don’t want on my site anyway, so let the rumor run rampant. It filters out bad readers for me.
But the thing is, this has been going on for 7 months, way before any personal issues with Jashie’s mother-in-law. He’s called me a “pussy” and a “faggot” in texts messages and emails many times, as well as writing ambiguous statements that everybody knew were about me on Facebook before, sometimes deleting them, sometimes not, and he constantly brings up my age for some reason in the same context. Now I can’t give you evidence of that unless you were here to look at my phone, but trust me, this is a long pattern behavior that was going unchecked and needed to be dealt with.
And honestly, I just can’t believe Jashie at face value that this “rumor” set him off. He also said that I kissed his ass at Muddy Roots to get out of a beating, which is a completely fictitious lie. I’m not saying there wasn’t a rumor, I’m just saying I can’t trust anything he says because there is a long pattern of Jashie saying things to create sympathy and support through his personal tragedies. We all have tragedies in our lives, all the time. I have tragedies going on right now myself, but I’m not going to use it to justify this article. I stand behind it 100%, with complete clarity of mind and spirit.
January 5, 2012 @ 7:37 pm
I guess that is exactly what I’m getting at. Words can be twisted any which way. I don’t take anything at face value anymore. Nothing is right or wrong or true or false. Everything is relative.
January 5, 2012 @ 4:21 pm
I posted this in Facebook thread, but some folks may find it germane here:
Contrary to many people’s beliefs, I am not part of any “scene”, never have been, never will be. I hate the term, and avoid using it at all costs. I am part of a movement to Save Country Music, plain and simple. People assume I am part of some “scene” because I cover certain artists. Then they get perplexed when I posts 3 articles about Tim McGraw’s legal troubles in one week, or when I cover something from Red Dirt, or from the mainstream. It’s because they don’t fundamentally understand what I am trying to do.
As for taking sides, I have asked for nobody to take sides, and so thus, there is no need for anyone to be “neutral”. If somehow innocent bystanders are being asked to takes sides, then that is unfair of whoever is doing the asking. Nowhere on the article, in this comment thread, or any where else will you see me ask or tell or request people to not support Jashie, his podcast, writing, band etc. You may assume that because of my tone, but you’re wrong. If you like Jashie’s podcast, hell yeah, don’t let my opinions or experiences sway you from something you love. Life is too short to give away something that speaks to you.
The point of posting the article was to make no mistake what was said, and who it was being said about. There were major pitfalls to NOT saying anything as well. I stand behind my decision 100%. If I am misunderstood, that is understandable, but I fell strongly in the long run, folks will see where my heart is.
January 5, 2012 @ 4:23 pm
I am a fan and supporter of SCM AND Outlaw Radio Chicago, and I feel it’s hard to support one without supporting the other. Maybe that’s because it was because of Triggerman I ever even heard of ORC, or maybe it’s because both Josh and Kyle are working for the same thing, supporting the same music. The facebook post was juvenile, no question about it. So is this article. I feel very strongly that if you guys can’t work it out, keep it to yourselves. The shit talking does nothing but drive a wedge in this musical community. That is all I’m going to say about this, ever. SCM and ORC are spokes in the same wheel to me, always will be.
January 5, 2012 @ 4:40 pm
I am not asking you to support one without the other Aran, and I never would. I know this might be inferred by the tone of the article, but if you want to keep supporting Jashie P, his podcast, band, whatever, hell yeah man, do it. Believe it or not, my intention of this article was not to destroy Jashie or take listeners away from him. My guess is, his next show will have more listeners than he’s ever had. The point was to show what was said, and who it was said about.
January 5, 2012 @ 5:18 pm
Like I said, I don’t want to take sides. But you should know divisiveness is very much inferred in the tone of the article.
January 5, 2012 @ 7:10 pm
Don’t get me wrong Aran, I hope divisiveness is way more than inferred here, I want it to be right out in the open, and if it isn’t, then maybe I need to do a rewrite. Separate that from a requests to take sides between me and Jashie, but hell yeah I’m divisive against folks who lie. My name is all I have. That, a 700-sq ft shack behind a porn shop in rural Texas, and a 15-year-old pickup truck with the check engine light on. That’s all I got. And when somebody goes full force to besmirch that name by calling me a faggot and making up a fictitious story, I’m going to defend that name with all my fury. Because it’s all I’ve got man, it’s all I’ve got. And you know what, I would defend ANYBODY from lies, even my worst enemy, even Jashie, because lying to destroy someone’s name is NEVER acceptable.
And if you don’t believe me, here’s proof, where I defended my arch nemesis Toby Keith when The Rolling Stone posted lies about him:
https://savingcountrymusic.com/toby-keith-vs-keith-kristofferson-or-not
Here’s the video from that article. Pay special attention at the 0:50 mark. Just like Jashie, Ethan Hawke refused to use Toby Keith’s name. Always a bullshit move, that you will NEVER see on SCM:
January 7, 2012 @ 11:49 am
That Toby video is ridiculous… What a tool. I’d tell you how I really feel about his self-important ass, but I already did so in a song. Nice bleached straw hat, Toby.. Isn’t it time you did a duet with Kenny Cheesedick?
January 5, 2012 @ 5:07 pm
Triggerman, I think that you are doing exactly what you and you’re website have set out to do and that is to “Save Country Music”. By calling out extreme antisocial thugs like this guy you help educate the honest blue-coller person from giving one red damn dime to him to support his “career” in music. Put this thug along side a man like Marty Robbins or Don Williams and you’ll see how anti-country he is. I still buy Marty and Don’s music, I play it to my kids so they are familiar with it, and wish I could have got to meet either of them. I’m doing my part to save country music and so are you friend. I hope how soon this “Anti-Country” movement dies on the vine.
Like I said in my theme song entry…”We got the voice of reason, and they call him Triggerman.”
SH
January 5, 2012 @ 5:08 pm
Country Music is the worst music in the world, worse than gangsta rap. If you are in a fight over Country Music, kill yourself. Seriously.
January 6, 2012 @ 7:51 am
Turn down the Nickelback, there douchecanoe.
January 6, 2012 @ 8:16 am
Douchecanoe. I like it. And fitting. Maybe I’ll start using it in the DC area. 🙂
January 6, 2012 @ 8:19 am
“Douchecanoe”. Love that!
January 5, 2012 @ 6:01 pm
I’ve been around SCM.com long enough (from the Myspace days) and have had enough online communication with you Trig, to trust your judgement and the decision to post about this here. I’m a bit disappointed with all the “don’t want to hear about this drama, keep it about the music” comments. It seems like many of the folks commenting here are patting you on the back for the stellar job you do with SCM.com and forgetting that you’re a human being that needs to get something off his chest. Who do they think invests all the time researching and writing all the articles: the SCM Robot? Instant reviews: just add water!
You have always said that it is ‘people before music’ and this sentiment applies to you in this situation also. I’m sad to hear you’ve lost the friendship with Jahshie P and I fondly remember the good ole days when the Outlaw Country Compilation first came out.
Thank you for all you do Triggerman. Sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
January 5, 2012 @ 6:58 pm
I am no longer a reader of Saving Country Music or Outlaw Radio Chicago. Thank you for your excellent reviews.
January 5, 2012 @ 7:31 pm
As the former host of “Hayride To Hell’, I know that this scene has plenty of negative elements spinning around it constantly. There are disagreements, rivalries, etc. and it’s hard for me to believe it’s ever going to change. That’s because the fans and supporters of the underground country scene are very passionate for it, and there’s little room for compromise. Not throwing that out there as an insult, nor am I necessarily saying it’s a complete positive, either. So, the point of my post here is, perhaps this is something that could’ve been kept “behind the scenes”? The reason I say that is because, like I just mentioned, there’s enough negatives, and that your post here is only making things worse. It’s a known fact you guys have a history and hard feelings. Yes, he made some comments on Facebook, but he did not mention you directly, so there has to be some level of respect there for you somewhat. He was venting, and many times, people do that because they aren’t dealing well with bad events going on. They reach out for a support system for friendly comfort. This could have been something easily disregarded (in my opinion), and not thrown out in the open to make it worse. I don’t see the benefit of this post. Now, I’m not going to lie, Jahshie is a friend of mine, and over the many times I have communicated with him, he’s related to me how angry you’ve been with him for leaving SCM, your increasing anger with what he’s doing now, and even your threats to “destroy” what he’s worked for. He’s told me before that this saddens him, yet he’s chosen not to post articles over on “Moonrunners” about all this. The point I’m trying to make is, focus on what you’re doing for your supporters, and not let something like this become another scar on a scene that seems to be tearing itself apart. Regardless of your personal feelings for each other, you’re both on the same team for what you’re doing.
January 5, 2012 @ 9:46 pm
“Yes, he made some comments on Facebook, but he did not mention you directly, so there has to be some level of respect there for you somewhat.”
Bullshit, it’s the ultimate sign of disrespect to not name names, and a pussy move. Say what you want, but name names. I’ll say it again, if Jashie had named me by name, this article would have never existed. And I had talked to Jashie about this very specific thing multiple times before he posted on Tuesday.
“This could have been something easily disregarded (in my opinion), and not thrown out in the open to make it worse.”
Unfortunately Joey, you don’t know the whole back story, or at least you only know one side of it. 7 months of sweat went into trying to resolve this issue with Jashie to no avail. This was the last, nuclear option.
“he”™s related to me how angry you”™ve been with him for leaving SCM, your increasing anger with what he”™s doing now, and even your threats to “destroy” what he”™s worked for.”
See, this is how I know you only know one side of the story. I was not angry with Jashie for leaving SCM, I was positively elated. I feel to my knees and thanked gog because at that time, he had become an absolute liability to SCM and an anchor to the whole site. It doesn’t mean that at one point I didn’t like his show, because I lived it for a long time, but he lost his heart, and he would tell you that. However it is very important you said that, because that was a very fundamental misunderstanding between Jashie and I that no matter how much I tried to explain to him, he never got. He thought that I was mad or jealous that he left, when really I was mad because right after he left, he started telling people I put restrictions on his show. Jashie P left SCM LIVE because I took concerns his listenrs brought to me, and brought them to him, some readers who’ve commented on this very article. I was concerned about Jashie on a personal level, and he took the concern and criticism as insult.
I never said I was going to destroy what Jashie was working for. But then again, I don’t remember kissing his ass to get out of a beating either.
“He”™s told me before that this saddens him, yet he”™s chosen not to post articles over on “Moonrunners” about all this.”
He should post whatever he wants. We all know why Shooter set up Moonrunners. A dozen writers, and I’ll still outwrite them in quantity and quality.
“Regardless of your personal feelings for each other, you”™re both on the same team for what you”™re doing.” No we’re not. I don’t support Last False Hope and other death metal country bands that insult others to create attention for themselves. I also don’t have a quid pro quo system where if you promote my branding, then I promote your band. I don’t ask bands to give away their music on my site to help promote my brand. I’m looking for the folks that when free music is offered to them, they pay for it anyway. There were many reasons for this article. One of which was to purge this very element off this site. Some people seem happy to rub it in my face that they’re never coming back again. Little do they know that’s the whole point.
I’m using your points to prove broader points Joey, I really think this is a good comment with some very good points, and I’ve always respected what you’ve done even though we seem to run in different circles and only meet when the drama hits. But that’s the problem. I write 100 articles, and there a big contingent who only come here when the shit hits the fan, and they’re burdened by not having the full story.
All the best.
January 6, 2012 @ 8:09 am
When I said you were on the same team, it had nothing to do with beliefs, death metal, etc. What I meant was that you both support and promote artists in the underground scene. Period. You do what you do because you are passionate about the music you love. It doesn’t mean you have to support and promote each and every single one just because the other does. I’m sorry if I didn’t make that clear.
January 5, 2012 @ 8:10 pm
Dude,
I have much respect for you and this site but as some have stated on here I don’t think this is the platform man. It just makes you seem petty and juvenile.
I understand the “biggest bullhorn” necessary but I think a different avenue would be better.
With all due respect,
Ando
FTW
January 5, 2012 @ 9:50 pm
Well fortunately there is an article I posted after this one, and many others I’ve posted in the last few days, and many more coming that are all about the music that folks can read at any time. I never expect everyone to read everything I write, but I’m always flattered when they do. However if there is something not your style, by all means, skip it and go to the next one.
Thanks for reading.
January 5, 2012 @ 8:24 pm
This is nuts. I second “resigned”, and will no longer follow this site. I have heard of Outlaw Radio, but wont hold this against that faction. This is the most juvenile article I have ever read in my life.
January 5, 2012 @ 9:51 pm
Oh boo, but I just checked your ISP address and this is the first time you’ve ever been here. Nice try.
Cya.
January 5, 2012 @ 8:39 pm
Too many people – including myself – post nee-jerk reactions all over the web. I do it on this site from time to time but I am smart enough too stay off facebook and twitter. Nothing good can happen from those sites. I can’t believe that so many dumb bastards continuously post shit on there that they have to apologize for. Real men don’t facebook.
January 5, 2012 @ 10:21 pm
Agreed. Facebook is really a big culprit here that doesn’t deserve to get off scott free.
January 5, 2012 @ 8:52 pm
Kyle, for the past year I have checked SCM daily. Commented more early on, but slowed down due to increased bitterness towards XXX and all involved. You chose early on to try and make people pick sides.
Josh has every right to be pissed. You have been starting shit for months, at least from the outside looking in you have been.
This is juvenile and petty, however I now believe those to be two of your calling cards, so Im not suprised by this at all. You are not in this to save country music… Your not the right man for the job anyway, at least not right now.
I value what possitives you have done for this music, and thank you for turning me on to some really great artist, However at this point, you seem to want to divide a community of fans that are too small in number to be split. That is busch league at best and treasonous to the saving country music flag you claim to wave.
Hopefully you can sleep on it and retract this article soon.
January 5, 2012 @ 10:35 pm
“Josh has every right to be pissed.”
Does that mean he has a right to threaten me or call me a “faggot”? How do you know I don’t have a right to be pissed? Shit, the guy made up a completely fictitious story about me.
And maybe I am not the best one to save country music, but I was the only idiot with the balls to belly up to the bar and try, and have his life ruined for it. My guess is the folks looking to fill my seat if I was gone are few, and one of the reasons is because I have a target on my back a mile wide and an army full Xanax-popping “punks” looking to shank me right in the middle of it.
I do the best job I can, and am always open for criticism. Beyond that, let history judge it, I’m too busy to judge it myself.
As for XXX, I think I and the commenters have done a great good job keeping the whole XXX drama under wraps in this whole thing, and I am glad for that, because like I’ve said, it is truly one of the aims of all of this to eliminate what has been the linchpin to the drama between SCM and XXX. I know it may be hard for folks that only come over here when there’s a brawl to understand that, but truly in my heart, I don’t want there to be conflict, and I only take that road when it is absolutely necessary.
So despite your pretty low blow rhetoric peppered with qualifying points, I’m not going to get in a XXX argument with you.
January 8, 2012 @ 10:57 pm
I never said you didnt have a right to be pissed. It has came to a point where you do. I just think that you could have squashed this along time ago, but chose to attack instead of taking the high road,
The comment on you not being the right man for the job, was soley based on the fact that you have seemed to want to take drama to a public forum. I think you have done a great job with your articles, at least for the past year when Ive kept up. I still think this article should be retracted, however at this point, its just out there. No taking it back now.
Keep doing what you do, but remember, you have earned a huge voice with fans of real country music. None of us like soap operas like this.
January 6, 2012 @ 12:06 am
An no, I won’t retract this article.
January 5, 2012 @ 8:55 pm
By chance, did Jahshie P reply to this article by tweeting “I know you are, but what am I?” The only way you could save country music after subjecting your audience to this childish melodrama, would be by pulling a Thich Quang Duc.
January 5, 2012 @ 9:19 pm
Wow.
January 5, 2012 @ 9:27 pm
Trigger, friend, old pal, old chap, though you keep ringing the “I had no other outlet” and “I had exhausted all other options” bells, why didn’t you, say, call the authorities? They’re usually pretty keen to hear bout shankings. Though, to be fair, that wouldn’t be as entertaining to the readers, would it?
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January 5, 2012 @ 10:19 pm
Actually man, I’m glad you brought that up. Because really at this point, that was my only other option except for posting this, to call the police, which I would only ever do in a situation as an absolutely positively last case resort. This was my solution to NOT calling the cops As much as Jashie is making himself out as the victim, he’s been harassing my ass for 7 damn months, emailing and texting me constantly, even though numerous people including Shooter whose in the studio with you right now told him to quit. But I haven’t taken to Facebook to whine about it because it’s dumb, I just ignore it. Until he crossed the line.
I could probably name you 20 solid reasons I posted this article, and one is so that there is a solid, dated record of what was said. Am I truly worried someone is going to shank me? No. But three weeks ago I was digging through dumpsters in south Houston looking for stolen gear because Ruby Jane, an 17-year-old artist down here had someone point a gun at her head. Shit happens man. And if someone tries to hurt me, I won’t hesitate to return the favor, and now there is a easily searchable record of what was said, and so they’ll have a good lead on who was the instigator.
And for all the folks that troll over here from some other site, see “Facebook”, scantly pick up that two dudes are jawing at each other and then roll their eyes and say, “Boo hoo”. Instead of being outraged that I posted this, why aren’t they disgusted I was called a “faggot”, a pretty fucking offensive word that really should not be used against anybody. Where’s the outrage that I was threatened to get “shanked”? Put a fucking shoe on the other foot for just a moment, and put yourself in my position. What if someone called YOU a faggot and threatened your life? What would you do? You probably would do whatever you could. It just happens my bullhorn’s bigger than most.
January 5, 2012 @ 11:46 pm
You keep sayin you posted this for a record. The screenshot was your record. Makin it public serves little purpose except to bring a nasty light on both parties. I dig that ya’ll got yer differences, people are bound to. But I figure either work together at what seems to be a common goal or don’t work together. If somebody’s harrassin you, tell em to fuck off and make em if they don’t.
I got nothin but love for both of ya’ll, you’re both a source of good music education (and Lord knows we need it), and I, like apparently most of the commenters, would love to move on. Ain’t nobody here that can help you and Jahshie work yer shit out, so makin it public seems pointless.
Happy New Year, friends.
January 6, 2012 @ 12:05 am
Screen shots without a date sitting on my hard drive are not nearly as effective as a dated post with context that is internet searchable. Especially if I’m laying face down after being shanked by a Xanax snorting punk. But make no mistake, this was only one of about 20 reasons I had to post this.
“If somebody”™s harrassin you, tell em to fuck off and make em if they don”™t.”
Yes, exactly, that was the EXACT point of this posting! I had been telling Jashie to give me space for 7 months (a la “fuck off”) and when he didn’t and wouldn’t and threatened me I pulled out my last resort short of calling the cops to get him to leave me alone.
January 5, 2012 @ 9:54 pm
I kinda just want to read about the music and I cannot see why multiple sites and radio shows cannot coexist. Personally, there is enough room in my life for Moonrunners and SCM. They are very different in presentation and offer very different things. This public conflict has been presented by both sides as something that is somehow unavoidable. Is it? And, if so, why? If things are so toxic between you two, why can you not just agree to disengage from each other and leave it alone? Let me explain. I certainly understand defending your name, particularly with all you have contributed, but sometimes a person’s work speaks for itself and you really need not get down into that stuff. I think your work does speak for itself which, to my mind, makes all this unnecessary if not counterproductive. Don’t you think your work speaks for itself? Louder than any back and forth like this can speak? I’m not sure you really need to be defending yourself. Jashie’s contributions speak for themselves as well, by the way. I don’t see how either of you do anything but tarnish that labor of love in continuing this. I wish you both the best and appreciate what you provide. Really, I can’t stand seeing these amazing contributions getting dirtied up this way. SCM and Black Country Rock are really way too good for this.
January 5, 2012 @ 11:38 pm
“I cannot see why multiple sites and radio shows cannot coexist. Personally, there is enough room in my life for Moonrunners and SCM. They are very different in presentation and offer very different things. This public conflict has been presented by both sides as something that is somehow unavoidable. Is it?”
Good question.
I have absolutely no problem with Moonrunners existing, or other websites. I have personally written for The 9513.com, Outlaw Magazine.com, RNZ Magazine, ninebullets.net, The Rambler Zine, and many other outlets that cover this type of music. All of these entities and many more have coexisted for years. The reason you think that SCM has a problem with Moonrunners is because that is the psychological game they play. They really believe that I want to be the only source, when I have written and linked to many other websites covering this music. If you like reading both, hell yeah man, I would never discourage you from doing so. My initial beef with Moonrunners is when they first opened, many folks believe they took a shot at me in their branding, saying they were “without an agenda”; a charge that had been leveled at me many times by XXX folks. Whether it was a shot or it was intentional, it was unwise, especially since XXX had already ruffled feathers by putting shots at entities in the branding of their compilations. But Shooter took the brand down, and in fairness he insists it was never a shot at me, and since then, I have had no issue with the site, aside from once Jashie saying it was the “only” source for information on this type of music on Twitter, which is not only a shot to my site, but many others, and then the curious similarities articles and subjects I write about finding themselves over there with Jashie’s name on them. But I am willing to isolate this behavior to Jashie, and not drag Moonrunners into the conflict.
“If things are so toxic between you two, why can you not just agree to disengage from each other and leave it alone?”
Thank you, thank you, thank you! That is EXACTLY what I had been trying to do with Jashie for the last 7 months. Notice his defense is that I never replied to his emails. That is because I kept asking Jashie to give us some space so that we could hopefully resolve this. There is a lengthy comment in reply to Hector up above where you can read about this more, but that is exactly what I was trying to do. I requested Jashie give us space, then he would email me a few days later, and get pissed when I wouldn’t respond and call me a faggot or a pussy. This cycle is what led to this escalation.
“I certainly understand defending your name, particularly with all you have contributed, but sometimes a person”™s work speaks for itself and you really need not get down into that stuff.”
Jashie did not criticize my writing or my “work”. He called me a “faggot” and threatened to kick my ass and solicited one of his friends to “shank” me. I think there’s a little bit of a difference. And I do think my work speaks for me, but that’s what people are missing. There are so many people that only come to SCM once every six weeks when there’s a brushup and then bitch, “why is there always drama over here.” I posted a very lengthy writeup about my Artist of the Year after I posted this article, that nobody has read. I am working, I got two more articles in the works right now. I’ve moved on man, I said my peace. I am done. I did what I set out to accomplish with this article and now it’s on to the next one.
January 5, 2012 @ 10:01 pm
Wow I am surprised to see this on SCM. I think your feud with Jashie is out of hand.
I thought SCM and ORC were a great partnership back in the day. What a shame to see it come to this.
January 6, 2012 @ 7:45 am
Sometimes, I really hate the internet.
January 6, 2012 @ 8:47 am
A little levity might help, and all this talk about pussies….well,
Pussies don’t like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn’t appropriate – and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves… because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don’t know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don’t let us fuck this asshole, we’re going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit!
January 7, 2012 @ 6:07 pm
Well put, Chuck.
January 6, 2012 @ 9:56 am
I thought long and hard about what to post and I really wanted to offer my opinion in some unbiased way.
I think anyone supporting good music deserves some credit for that support. Not everyone will get along forever and that’s fine. I think there is a divisive nature in music opinion (and often in human personalities in general) which can easily cause large conflict.
I think Josh is a stand-up nice guy through all the conversations I’ve had and all that he’s done to help my magazine and website. I think his band Last False Hope is a good band and they do their thing. Agree with their religious standpoint or whatever it may be I listen to a lot of stuff and I if that is what he chooses to write about fine with me. I also don’t know how he is the linchpin of drama between you and XXX. I thought XXX itself when created seemed like the linchpin for the drama between XXX and your site.
This is your review of the Last False Hope song from the Outlaw Radio compilation:
11. Last False Hope”“$2 Pints: Gothic punkgrass from the mastermind of the Outlaw Compilation himself: Jashie P and a few close friends. When I first heard this track, I was amazed at the complexity and depth of songwriting, and how clean and pro it sounded. I guess I had just always envisioned Jashie as more of a hack 😉 . Seriously, good song, and keep your eyes out for a full length release from them coming soon.
—So your statement about never liking their music in this thread is not true.
On the flipside you’ve helped out my magazine to some extent (probably not as much as Josh) but you did post in the forum here about the Shooter Jennings issue a while back.
Ap.net (Jason Tate) does a lot of permanent bans on his website as well and I never like it. Most 99% of comments I’ve ever seen Josh make on this site are perfectly fine. I think if you ban someone from the site it really has to be about what they say on this site and not from their own personal sites (or that’s how I would do it…it is your site so you can do what you want).
So I guess I like Josh (and Outlaw Radio) and I like this website. I don’t know you on the same level as Josh, but you have extended my site/magazine some courtesy and I appreciate that. I think maybe you are a lightning rod kind of guy sometimes. Articles like this , the Honky Tonk Hustlas thing, and various XXX threads (notably the one about the arrogance of XXX and cleaning house and banning Adam Sheets from comments), calling Shooter an industrial musician at one point those kind of things just seem to gravitate either a lot of wanted or unwanted negative response towards you. After I responded about Adam Sheets in the XXX thread you no longer posted anything about my magazine after that and I’ve put out countless issues with country artist and just recently posted about your essential albums list on my site. When I extended you the courtesy of an interview with my magazine the interview was never returned (and I took the time to get that interview together for you and put some good thought into the questions after you agreed to do it). Maybe you are busy but those actions could be taken the wrong way (in reference to returning e-mails, etc.). So I guess maybe some things of those nature make you seem like a negative person to some extent. To be fair though you have never said a direct negative thing about anything I do.
You also say that Josh is the linchpin of the drama between you and XXX and you say things like this:
“He should post whatever he wants. We all know why Shooter set up Moonrunners. A dozen writers, and I”™ll still outwrite them in quantity and quality.” – That’s you saying you are better than all those writers. That’s not Josh saying it, XXX saying it, it is just you saying I’m better. Am I reading into that wrong?
It’s the nature of the type of opinions we have as music critics to often disagree with other music critics. I have been a journalist for many years and have written for nationally published magazine, different websites, etc… I have worked with everyone from hip hop, rock, country, electronic artists, etc. Ultimately I started my own thing because it’s often too hard to agree with other music critics haha. I like sites like this and I like Outlaw Radio because I really like music opinion so I’ll continue to listen to, read, and be interested in all the sites and magazines covering music. I’ll also continue to post here and go on Josh’s show as I enjoy the discussion about music.
I mean Shooter and Hank III feuded for years and that got paved over. Maybe time will heal some of these wounds.
January 6, 2012 @ 11:00 am
“I think anyone supporting good music deserves some credit for that support.”
What the hell are you even talking about man, that has nothing to do with anything. People want to come here and frame the argument in the context of some philosophical difference between Jashie P and I, SCM and XXX, or whatever. Fuck that. Jashie P called me a faggot and then made up a fictitious fucking story about me and then threatened me. Get some perspective man. This has always been about people first, then music, and the folks who can’t understand that homophobia and threats of violence have no place not only in some stupid music scene, but in our society need to get the fuck off my website because I don’t want them here. Jashie P is playing journalist on Moonrunners and he fucking lied. As a journalist you should be more appalled than anyone.
““He should post whatever he wants. We all know why Shooter set up Moonrunners. A dozen writers, and I”™ll still outwrite them in quantity and quality.” ”“ That”™s you saying you are better than all those writers. That”™s not Josh saying it, XXX saying it, it is just you saying I”™m better. Am I reading into that wrong? “
No.
“On the flipside you”™ve helped out my magazine to some extent (probably not as much as Josh) but you did post in the forum here about the Shooter Jennings issue a while back.”
There is no quid pro quo or political bullshit that governs SCM like XXX. It is governed by my honest opinions. Folks who don’t understand that, don’t belong on this website.
“It”™s the nature of the type of opinions we have as music critics to often disagree with other music critics.”
Are you fucking kidding me dude? Do you really think this is a disagreement amongst critics? The guy solicited one of his dumb punk frineds to fucking shank me. You may say, “Well this happens all the time”. We I don’t fucking care, violence and homophobia should be renounced at every turn, and that’s what I did here, and if people don’t understand that or think I’m making too much of it, they need to get the fuck off of this website, because they don’t belong here and I don’t want them.
I don’t mean to be short with you man, but I have done plenty of explaining my position at this point. Now, folks need some fucking perspective on what happened, and I refuse to let the XXX world to frame this as XXX vs. SCM again. This is me, versus someone who called me a faggot and threatened me. It’s that simple. If you truly respect XXX, don’t drag them into this. I have avoided trying to. And then only reason I brought this in a public forum is because the private one didn’t work for 7 months.
January 6, 2012 @ 11:17 am
So, you are gay? Than, that makes sense to be offended. If a straight man was called a “faggot”, it is basically the same as “motherfucker”. just a term not usually meant as a homophobic term anymore. I didn’t know your sexual status. That is a rude comment than.
January 6, 2012 @ 8:22 pm
Hector, you are a boy amongst men in this discussion.
January 8, 2012 @ 9:06 pm
Who are you to call anyone childish? Look at the tantrum that you have been throwing for days. This article is gayer than 8 guys blowing 9 guys.
January 8, 2012 @ 9:36 pm
What are you talking about “for days”? I posted another article 2 1/2 hours after I posted this one. I’ve posted two more up since then. I hadn’t posted a comment on this article in 36 hours before this one, and nobody had posted a comment all day today until you did. Everyone else has moved on including me…except for you, trolling through the comments looking to get another jab in. Oh but let me guess, you really don’t like to see this drama, do you? You just wish we focus on the music. Please.
January 7, 2012 @ 5:33 pm
Oh my god. Wow. Just wow.
January 9, 2012 @ 10:45 am
Hector, you are spewing ignorant homophobic bullshit. Not everyone who objects to hate speech as gay – they just have a brain and some moral compass. People like yourself don’t get it because you are perfectly comfortable standing by and saying nothing when confronted with hate and bigotry. Thank you Trig, I was wondering when the language used would be addressed. Bigotry has no place in this music, in its journalism, or in the public speech and writing of the people who propose to represent the music to the world. Really though, Jashie P could have been talking about anyone, anywhere, in any situation with that language and I would have immediately lost a great deal of respect for him.
January 9, 2012 @ 10:49 am
Speaking of which… Cliff.
January 6, 2012 @ 7:00 pm
It saddens me to know that things are like this.. But I guess I can’t expect the world of “coverage” to be any different from the world of giving something to “cover”.. The roots-music world used to be a place (like punk and other subcultural movements years ago) where individuals did their thing and left their mark… Nowadays, it’s a “countrier than thou” pissing contest, often made up of people with ZERO roots in the real deal “country” of America. Personally, I am sick of it.. I’m sick of the fake accents, the bleached straw hats, coveralls, and songs about whiskey, Satan, shotguns, and fucking someone’s wife. That bullshit has no substance, and surely has no place in “country” or “roots” labelled music.
For as much as I like certain metal, punk, and hardcore bands.. I don’t want to hear Slayer with fiddles and banjos… and I don’t like to see and hear idiots who were into pop punk a few years ago talking about how “country” they are. And for as much as Hank III has done to open doors for a lot of folks, he is not the end-all-be-all of this musical movement. In fact, in large part.. things have gotten stale because of everyone trying to make their own version of “Crazed Country Rebel” 13 different times on one CD.
In the end, I think that the real songwriters and performers stand out.. Much like the real journalists stand out.. and the idiots getting caught in the middle are doing so to glorify their egos and be “the man”… which is an exercise in futility as far as I am concerned… I’ve seen the Devil’s work.. and it ain’t pretty. He is no friend of mine. -JB
January 7, 2012 @ 1:38 am
Definitely the wrong outlet here, but I have no other way of reaching you. My girlfriend and I recently moved into a new house and she gave me an entire room to do whatever I want with, a “man-cave” if you will, lol. Anyway, I’m wanting to deck the room out in merch from bands I support and I’ve been a big fan of your music for quite awhile, is there any e-mail address I can shoot you an e-mail to buy some merch? Really appreciate it, J.B.
Also –
Triggerman,
I realize this breaks SCM’s comment rules but I would really appreciate you not deleting it as I’m pretty stoked about getting this room set up.
Thanks in advance, Trig.
January 6, 2012 @ 7:21 pm
This must be what it’s like when “Start Trek” and “Star Wars” fans get into a debate….Can’t we all just get along?
January 7, 2012 @ 12:42 am
Seems like a couple self important assholes getting a hard dick to me. DOUCHES. This is why no one takes either of you seriously. facebook posts.HHAHAAAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAH.
January 7, 2012 @ 11:47 am
Chris.. you can contact me either via email: waywarddrifters@gmail.com or on Facebook. I’m not hard to reach! Cheers!
January 7, 2012 @ 5:30 pm
For those missing the point: I’m reposting one of Trig’s comments here that I think sums up this entire situation:
“Do you really think this is a disagreement amongst critics? The guy solicited one of his dumb punk friends to fucking shank me. You may say, “Well this happens all the time”. Well I don”™t fucking care, violence and homophobia should be renounced at every turn, and that”™s what I did here, and if people don”™t understand that or think I”™m making too much of it, they need to get the fuck off of this website, because they don”™t belong here and I don”™t want them”.
“VIOLENCE AND HOMOPHOBIA SHOULD BE RENOUNCED AT EVERY TURN, AND THAT’S WHAT I DID HERE”
Hear, hear!
January 8, 2012 @ 9:10 pm
Sorry, not buying it.
January 8, 2012 @ 9:39 pm
Then why are you still on this website? I don’t want you here. Come back when your ready for it.
January 8, 2012 @ 7:56 pm
All I have to say is…. What a sad day this is. When personalities and hatred combine against two people that are trying to do so much for so many.I think yall should put your balls back up yours asses and move on. How does this help get people’s music heard or help Save anything? Wait.. it doesn’t. All it does is some petty bullshit that doesn’t get anyone or yourselves anywhere. It just shows people that are new to the site that we don’t have our shit together! I used to come on here wondering what was going on in ” The Movement”, not for the stupid drama that happens between each other. That should be behind the scenes, between the lines, and not in the open. All I can see is jealousy and hate. Fuck, yall should know better. Way better. Grow up and act like men. Calling each other fagots or threatening each other… shit happens, it’s not right, but it happens. Just because I say online I’m going to stick my dick up your ass, doesn’t mean I’m going to do it.. nor does that make me a fag.That also doesn’t mean that I’m going to write a friggin blog about it. Leave it on Facebook. Everyone has a hard life. We say things we don’t mean half the time when things are super fucked up and we don’t really know how to let it all out. So we take it out on each other. And Facebook? Really… c’mon! How to bring a “movement” down… bring drama to a site where people are supposed to band together and spread the word about each other, bands, where we’re going, what we’re doing, and so forth and so on. To be stopped by words and using networking the wrong way is bullshit… and sites like this. Yall both are in the wrong. And I know if I stand up for one or the other that I will get this huge, twisted, and bullshit comment back that would make me look like I am stupid as hell for opening my mouth or giving my opinion. Ugh… But all I have to say is… save it for your journal, not your country music site, both of you. Or how about we just set up a fighting ring at Muddy Roots this year, you both pull out your dicks and have a cock fight? Just saying. Disappointed in the both of you! Move on.. now back to the music please?
January 8, 2012 @ 10:03 pm
Look Britt, I completely understand this argument, and like I have said many times before, I do NOT think that generally speaking, this was the right forum to do this. All that I can say is that there is a back story here that you are not aware of, and this was a move made as a last resort option. I understand it may be difficult for folks to surmise how that is even possible, but trust me, I thought very long and hard before posting this, knew there would be negative ramifications like you comment here, and still decided I had not other choice, and sitting here now a few days removed, I stand behind my decision 100%, and would have done little to nothing different if I had to do it again.
One thing I will say because this has come up before is that Saving Country Music IS my journal. I have always approached this site as a log of my personal musical experience, and a chronicle of that through my eyes, and believe it or not, my experience with Jashie is just as much a part of that as anything.
Now as for this charge that has been brought up by you and others that you “don’t want to see this”. There has never been a more bullshit statement ever made in this history of ever. This is EXACTLY what people want to see, ESPECIALLY by the people bitching that they don’t. I’m tired of people trying to act like they want to take the moral high ground, and then they come back to this article, over and over, leaving comments, reading everyone elses comments. The numbers don’t lie. The day I posted this article, 6,000 unique people came to read it. The same day I posted an article about Justin Townes Earle being the “Artist of the Year”. 125 unique people read it. This article has over 90 comments. That one has 9. And I posted that one AFTER this one, meaning it was higher in the hopper on this site, and in people’s Facebook and Twitter feeds. But they ignored it in overwhelming preference for this one. The people that also came to this article spent twice as much time here than they did on the JTE article, meaning the actual time they spent means the numbers should more look like 12,000 views to 125. All these people that bitch that all that ever happens around here is drama, and hey can we please talk about the music? They fucking ignore the dozens and dozens of reviews, interviews, features, etc. that I put out every month. Nobody reads them except a dedicate group of about 30 folks. In fact people not only don’t read them, they purposely avoid them, and instead come to articles like this to bitch about how I need to focus more on the music. It is complete and total absolute bullshit that can be overwhelmingly corroborated by numbers. I’m tired of the bitching. You want to read about music, click the “home” button and there’s a dozen articles right there waiting for you. If you DON’T want to read an article like this, DON’T READ IT.
January 8, 2012 @ 11:26 pm
I’m sorry, I didn’t know i posted on there that ” I didn’t want to see this”. I stated that I would love for yall to get back to the music and leave well enough alone. ( I need to heed my own advice there) Plus I never exactly stated that! Honestly, whatever gets your numbers up right? I read the music articles on here. I don’t always comment because most of the time there is nothing to say. It is what it is. It’s your opinion on music. But to see people that are supposed to work together, fuck each other up the ass while everyone takes a side and high fives each other for it… now that’s bullshit. And I really don’t care either way who’s right nor who’s wrong. Looks like both sides. No violence isn’t an answer, but if you were really scared for your life, yeah… you would have called the cops. Case and point. You act like no one cares about the music, no one cares about nothing but drama. WRONG! Guess again. What got your site known in the first place? I don’t think it was someone wanting to punch Hank Williams in his ass with a shovel, now was it? And like I said before, you’re going to take your time to write me a comment to make me out like I am stupid for stating my opinion. But oh.. wait… I’m not supposed to have one am I? It just gets under my skin how petty this is. Darlin, seriously. You’re not scared enough for your life. I’ll post that I’m going to Shank Jashie for you if it makes you feel better. Glad you got better numbers though. Drama seems to work. Keep it up! :o) And if you like the way the tires sound rolling over me too… hell throw me under there! Might help me my numbers up as well. Then we’ll all be happy then! lol ! ( Please sense the sarcasm and the humor. Not being a bitch… but take it as you want to. You’re going to anyways right? lol)
January 9, 2012 @ 12:12 am
Look Britt, you know I have nothing but love and respect for your music, and for you on a personal level. In no way was I trying to make you look stupid by the response to your comment. In fact as I started out my initial response to your comment, and I will say again as I have said it probably 20 times by now, I wholeheartedly agree this was not the right time and place to post this, and that it was unfortunate I had to post it at all. My only point is that I had no choice, and honestly, the only two people who are intimately involved enough in the situation to know if this is truly the case or not are Jashie and I. I could have spent much more time explaining in detail why posting this article was my last resort, explaining all the other steps I had taken to resolve it privately, but honestly, it would be a waste of time, and unfair to Jashie. What I am asking from you and others to believe me, have faith in me when I say that I had no other choice but to take the actions that I did.
The talk about the numbers was not to boast that I made a big stink to get my numbers up. I simply was attempting to prove my case that even though a lot of folks say they hate this drama, they certainly don’t do anything to avoid it, while they do seem to avoid straight music coverage. The way you wrapped up your comment was by saying, “Move on.. now back to the music please?”. That was simply a response to that. And to address the “move on” part, I had not posted a comment here in 36 hours until you and Drew came here. Honestly, we all had and have moved on.
And something else, you say how disappointed and petty this all seems. I couldn’t agree more. I am disappointed at myself that I allowed it to get to this level, where posting this article was my only choice. I have made a lot of mistakes during Jashie and I’s relationship that make no mistake I am trying to be as honest about to myself as I can in an attempt to learn from it. But I don’t back down from this article whatsoever. An no, Jashie and I will not be working together because we never should have been working together in the first place.
All I am saying Britt, is please take my whole record, all the interactions you have had with me over the years, and have a little faith that I only posted this article as an absolute last case resort, and because it was necessary to resolve some problems that were at hand.
January 9, 2012 @ 1:10 am
Kyle,
I know where you are coming from, but please hear me out. I know it’s late, and it’s after 3am here, I just had two teeth cut out Thursday, and I am not feeling at my best nor do I have the best attitude towards anything at the moment.
I just read this article. I’m glad you can count the hours down that you have left well enough alone. Some people don’t stop by everyday. I especially, since the friggin’ dentist attacked my mouth with pliers and needles. I am friends with both of you. I have known you both for years, maybe the equal amount of time. Glad you are both learning from it. You should have worked together. Without yall being together and falling apart, a lot of us would not know each other. You both helped each other hear new people, meet new friends, and come together as a kick ass posse’…” TOGETHER” I actually hear both sides, believe it or not. But shine some positive light on this! You can’t say that yall never should have worked together. You know that is wrong in a lot of aspects.
I do appreciate the respect and the apology that you showed me in that last comment. Thank you for owning up!
I know this does not concern me, but yet I feel as though it does. I’m not throwing that ” because I’m an artist” bullshit in your face, but because I’m a mutual friend of both parties side of it out there. It bothers me that much and I’m concerned.
There are better ways to go about it. And if everyone is jumping in, all this is doing right now is actually starting a mob full of cold hearted words, pitch forks, and torches. Out to figure it all out for themselves. But glad your numbers went up, maybe they’ll stop by more often and read the good article about real music!
I’m not out to get you or hurt anyone’s feeling. That’s why I’m driving the bus running over both of you at the same time. Smiling and waving as I roll on down the road. Hope you get the picture.
But truth be known, you don’t have nothing to fear with shankings. You made me giggle (throwing that out there). You have to giggle yourself about that! People say stupid shit to get a laugh or to get anger out. And then again it’s friggin’ facebook. As many times as I’ve talked about filling my pillow case full of bricks and beating my ex boyfriend with them while he is sleeping… I still haven’t done it. Maybe because he’s in jail right now. haha! (I wouldn’t though, but I don’t want to go back to jail… I have already been there once in the past month. Not fun.. not fun at all) That’s where true shanking happens. Not on the internet. Unless you consider me calling you both assholes and children a “shanking of words”. But you do tend to put people down whenever they do put their opinions out there. And notice I said “Tend”. Not all the time, but TEND! That’s why I really didn’t want to post a comment. I felt as though you would take it to heart, not with salt, and attack what I had to think. You say what you want to all the time. Thank you for letting me have my turn!
Now I am a girl and I can be sensitive! I don’t want my words twisted and used against me. Yall both fucked up. BUT! In the end, I guess it worked for both of you. Like it or not. Lord, I feel like momma Six Gun and I’m way younger than both of you!
Positive Note: Both your numbers probably went up. See… :o) lol! And probably mine to.. just cause I went to jail. haha… We’ve all learned.
Now say some positive back so I can go to sleep with this shit not on my mind or or heart. Otay!? lol
January 10, 2012 @ 9:54 am
You’re awesome Britt!
And don’t let anything else I say distract you from the fact that when I look at this situation, I am saying nothing less than “I fucked up” too, and trying to figure out how to make sure it will never happen again. I blame myself for this situation more than you know. But at the same time, I have to do what I feel is right in my heart to resolve it.
January 8, 2012 @ 9:55 pm
Amen Brit! I can understand to a point all this but if you feel like your not safe contact police and get an order of protection.. but i think this guy made it clear it’s HIS site first , saving country music 2nd… at least thats what i get from his responses toward’s people who don’t agree with him doing this… my grandfather always told me “be the bigger man and walk away” that’s what he should of done. just
my opinion..
January 8, 2012 @ 10:20 pm
So how are you judging that this is MY site first and Saving Country Music second? From this one article you read? Why didn’t you stop to read and comment on the 3 articles I’ve posted since this one? Or the nearly 1500 that I have posted in the past that have nothing to do with what I guess you are characterizing as “personal” drama? Do you know the whole back story between me and Jashie from both perspectives? Do you know for sure that this wasn’t the best or only option I had left to resolve a personal conflict that was limiting my ability to run this site and focus on covering more music? Are you sure that for 7 months I hadn’t been trying to be the “bigger” person and pulled the trigger on this nuclear option only as a last case resort?
If I were you, I think I would be careful on making broad statements about this website based on one article.
January 8, 2012 @ 11:41 pm
like i said man , you attack anyone that does’nt agree with you.. I value this site and the work you put in it , but this whole thing seems childish.. .. i don’t comment on much of anything on here i agree with 99% of what you write on here , just think yoou should of gone a differnt route about this.. just my opinion ..
January 9, 2012 @ 12:21 am
“you attack anyone that does”™nt agree with you.
Go read the very first comment and my response on this article. I agree with you Drew, and I’ve agreed with anyone whose said this was not the appropriate route, or not the appropriate place. All I am asking is for a little bit of faith when I say exhaustive efforts by many folks had been made to resolve this issue a different way, and when there was absolutely positively no other choice, I did something that I did not want to do, and I knew would be misunderstood. But I still did it because I still believed it was right. And you know what? 72 hours later, I still feel that way.
And please don’t characterize that I don’t either want people to disagree with me, or refuse to take criticism. I embrace criticism. That is why I am here in the trenches at 1:15 AM discussing this with you. I am going to defend myself and my actions because I believe in them, but that doesn’t mean I am also not listening to the criticism and trying to learn from it. NOWHERE where you see me say that I am perfect, or better than anyone else. I am glad so many folks are here voicing their disagreeing opinions, and I am proud that I am giving them a forum to do so.
January 8, 2012 @ 11:45 pm
“If I were you, I think I would be careful on making broad statements about this website based on one article” I’m confused by that tho… i give you an opinion and you threat’n me.. i see why people get pissed off at you.. good luck man…. your going to need it…
January 9, 2012 @ 12:24 am
That was not a threat Drew, it was rhetoric. I apologize if you took it that way.
January 9, 2012 @ 12:58 am
it’s all good man , just voice n my thought’s on the matter.. like i said 99% of your stuff is a homerun… without this site i wouldnt know who half the band’s i love are.. if i offended you in anyway by my comments sorry , ..
January 9, 2012 @ 5:14 pm
Trig,
I know I dont comment much, and I relatively new to this site, but I gotta say the first thing that attracted me to this site was the album reviews and the introduction and spreading of bands and musicians that most people otherwise wouldn’t have heard of and I gotta say you and this site are responsible for a large chunk of groups I love that I otherwise wouldn’t have heard of (Hellbound in the biggest example). I was into Hank III long before I ever knew this place existed (pre Straight to Hell) and before the free Hank deal, but he to was a big reason I started searching out the underground which led me here. I understand how the people who are saying this is childish and unneeded and they come here for the music and not the bullshit etc I understand there view I really do. With that being said however, I gotta say I think you did the right thing even though I know it was a hard choice. Your right it is about the people then the music, this is just one of the examples. At first I was only interested in the music, then I got wise and opened up to what SCM was really about and it’s TRUE purpose. I think the people who say there leaving is bullshit, you don’t to read this kind of thing, don’t click the fucking link, It ain’t like Trig doesn’t but up a wealth of other content to look into. That is another reason I love this site, it is it’s diversity, it’s the wide range of things covered here, your opinions and input it just added bonus. I know I’m in the extreme minority here but even though I am deeply rooted in the underground and “true” country, I may be a little more open to mainstream then the average fan. That is why it’s refreshing to read about Scott Biram in one article and Tim McGraw’s label troubles in the next. Also, I respect immensely when you do cover things like Taylor Swift (who I have no likeness of musically at all) but speak about how she’s doing things her way right in the middle of the Nashville Machine and though we may not LIKE her way, that demands RESPECT, given her environment and position in all of it. You say you have a dedicated group of about 30 readers, well I
I’m in that group.I dont read just the reviews, or the rants, I read it all. Keep doing what your doing, the people who are actually here for more than just the music understand, and support it.
– Rob (ConfederateGold)
January 9, 2012 @ 5:34 pm
Thanks for reading Rob!
January 11, 2012 @ 7:16 pm
Is the guy’s name really “Nutting”? That is too much….
January 14, 2012 @ 9:06 am
Gotta say, man, I dig the scene and just stumbled across your site and started clicking around and came on this.
YOU seem like the one out of control.
Won’t be coming back.
January 14, 2012 @ 9:32 am
Good. Bye bye!
January 15, 2012 @ 6:47 pm
Jashie P made a dig at you and this article in an article he wrote at moonrunners. He reviewed the “Buck Satan 666” album and said about “it’s not a bit they’re tring to offend religious people.
January 15, 2012 @ 8:05 pm
What is Moonrunners?
January 24, 2012 @ 6:00 pm
The new Dogbite Radio was great this week. Can’t wait to see the article on that show.
January 24, 2012 @ 6:10 pm
But, of course, than you would piss off the Farm Fam, and everyone knows you need them to not hate you. My bad. None the less, a great show.
January 30, 2012 @ 4:05 pm
Cocksucking faggot? Lol this a badass! I just googled Outlaw Radio cause folks told me about it and found this story. I am now a fan!
January 30, 2012 @ 4:39 pm
want a cookie?
April 20, 2023 @ 7:04 pm
He is just another angry atheist who thinks he is special.