Observances from a Tire Shop’s Country Music Playlist
What a pill. We finally graduated from the Check Engine Light era in auto mechanics, only to wake up to the Check Tire Pressure era where it seems like every vehicle is always warning us about low tires, whether they’re actually low or not.
Recently I was in a tire shop getting the ol’ truck some new rubber and trying to reset the tire warning light, when my ears immediately latched on to the music they were playing in the background. As a self-admitted high-nosed American music snob, usually whatever music is playing at a business or chirping from a radio immediately gets zoned out for the sake of sanity. But when I heard Cody Jinks, chased by Zach Bryan, followed up by Tyler Childers, I knew someone had some good taste in music.
As I sat there in a public space waiting for the tire work to be done, I started jotting down the songs that were played, intrigued at the mix, and what it might say about where we’re at in country music in 2024.
Here were the 30 songs that played in the roughly two hours I waited to have the work done:
Cody Jinks – “Hippies & Cowboys”
Zach Bryan – “Nine Ball”
Tyler Childers – “All Your’n”
Zach Top – “I Never Lie”
Zach Bryan – “Sun To Me”
Clay Walker – “She Won’t Be Lonely Long”
Chris Stapleton – “Tennessee Whiskey”
Tyler Childers – “Feathered Indians”
Whiskey Myers – “Broken Window Serenade”
Luke Combs – “When It Rains It Pours”
Tyler Childers – “Charleston Girl”
Chayce Beckham – “23”
Cody Johnson – ‘Human”
Shenandoah – “Two Dozen Roses”
Tracy Lawrence – “Time Marches On”
Hank Williams Jr. – “Family Tradition”
Turnpike Troubadours – “7&7”
Treaty Oak Revival – “I’m The Worst”
Flatland Cavalry w/ Kaitlin Butts – “A Life Where We Work Out”
Dwight Yoakam – “Fast As You”
Luke Combs – “Drive”
Parker McCollum – “I Can’t Breathe”
George Strait – “Write This Down”
Brooks & Dunn – “My Maria”
Brooks & Dunn – “Neon Moon”
Chris Stapleton – “Traveller”
Midland – “Drinking Problem”
Gavin Adcock – “Run Your Mouth”
Cody Johnson – “Dear Rodeo”
Cody Jinks – Mamma Song”
HERE WERE SOME OBSERVANCES:
1. Cody Jinks, Tyler Childers, Whiskey Myers, Treaty Oak Revival, Turnpike Troubadours, and Flatland Cavalry can hold their own right beside Luke Combs, Chris Stapleton, and George Strait in a playlist.
This isn’t a hypothetical. Playlists curated for public spaces and radio stations will only be enhanced by expanding the artists they pull from to include independent, non-radio performers. In fact, that might be the only way they will survive in the streaming era. Radio must make playlists that sound like the playlists people make for themselves and their friends.
2. Luke Combs, Zach Bryan, Cody Johnson, and Chris Stapleton can exist on the same playlist as top independent country acts.
Every time names like Zach Bryan and Luke Combs come up on snobbish music sites like Saving Country Music, the comments sections fill up with people saying these performers are no different than Sam Hunt, Morgan Wallen, or Florida Georgia Line. Are they as good of songwriters as Tyler Childers? Probably not. Do they have the same blue collar heart as Cody Jinks? Not likely. But they’re fine, and you can fit them right on a playlist like this, and not make listeners want to bail. Also, including them broadens the audience that a playlist appeals to, helping to passively promote the more independent performers.
3. Brooks & Dunn, George Strait, Dwight Yoakam, and Hank Williams Jr. are as relevant as ever.
Why don’t we hear great classic country music songs on the radio, or in public spaces anymore? Sure, radio is always going to focus primarily on the latest singles from current artists, and it should unless it’s a classic country station. But why are so many fans young and old latching onto the music of Zach Top? It’s because it reminds them of music from the ’80s and ’90s. So why not play that music too? It fits better with many of today’s current artists and radio singles than other radio singles from folks like Old Dominion or Kane Brown that have no real organic fans.
4. No Morgan Wallen
It’s still true that Morgan Wallen, HARDY, are artists of that ilk are probably a hair better and more country than the top names of the Bro-Country era. But they’re still incredibly polarizing, and still questionably country, except for a few select songs. Morgan Wallen is the most popular artist in all of country music, so it’s not like he’s a completely manufactured creature of radio like some performers. He has real fans. But you don’t need him to curate a great country playlist that will still appeal to young people and a broad audience. Even though big mainstream names like Luke Combs and Parker McCollum appeared on this playlist, most Morgan Wallen singles would stick out like a sore thumb.
5. Not a single woman.
Honestly, this is the biggest takeaway. 30 songs played in roughly two hours, and not a single song by a woman was played, with the only exception being a “feat.” appearance by Kaitlin Butts on a song with her husband, Cleto Cordero of Flatland Cavalry. And you got the vibe that if you listened for another 30 songs and two hours, you probably wouldn’t hear a woman at any point.
This is how pronounced the discrepancy between men and women is in country music. You don’t have to be “woke” to recognize this. This isn’t a demand that all radio and playlists be 50/50 women. But it feels like there should be at least some women, or in this case, even one woman. If they had added one song from a solitary woman, they would have boosted the women on the playlist by 100%. If they had added three women, they would have boosted it by 300%.
It’s playlists like these that make it not an opinion, and not a political stance that women in country music have a harder hill to climb. It makes it an empirical fact. And as exciting as it is to see independent country breaking through to the mainstream, this gender discrepancy remains an issue.
Conclusion:
It’s hard to look at a playlist like this played in a public space, and not conclude that country music has improved over the last few years. It’s also hard to not conclude that some work still needs to be done. But the kingmakers on Music Row no longer hold the ultimate power. The listeners do. And those listeners should continue to demand their tastes be represented by country music’s greater institutions, like mainstream radio and award shows.
FYI: The playlist was part of a service that businesses subscribe to, and that can be curated to with multiple channels available for each genre.
Jonathan Brick
October 29, 2024 @ 9:02 am
This is one of the most empirically useful pieces yet written on the site: more Trig in the Wild please!!!
Harris
October 29, 2024 @ 9:03 am
I enjoyed this good article! I would say that while your point about no women is right on at least you can say there were no bad songs on that playlist. Pretty cool
Ken
October 29, 2024 @ 12:20 pm
It could be that they just haven’t taken the time to listen to some of the ladies singing real country today. I am flat-out blown away by the likes of Shawna Thompson, Francesca Brown, Noeline Hofman, Hannah Juanita, India Ramey, Lainey Wilson, Maggie Antone, Melissa Carper, Carter Faith, Liv Greene, Anna Westcoat, Sheyna Gee, Julia DiGrazia and others I can’t remember right now
Stellar
October 29, 2024 @ 7:59 pm
My theory is that independent country is getting worse about women lately, thanks to shittier algorithms on Spotify in the last few years. I don’t have any empirical evidence but I noticed that algorithmic recommendations got worse about not recommending women, about 2 years ago, coinciding roughly with that. Where a whole bunch of Zach Bryan sound-alike singer-songwriters really exploded on the internet..
Obviously this is not the first time this has happened and the bro country era of radio is the most famous example but I think it’s getting worse again.
Stellar
October 29, 2024 @ 8:38 pm
Also Martina McBryde apparently made a stink about this in 2019:
https://musically.com/2019/09/17/martina-mcbride-spotify-playlist-algorithm/
It’s the algorithms.
Trigger
October 29, 2024 @ 8:47 pm
I beat her by a year:
https://savingcountrymusic.com/the-inequalities-plaguing-country-radio-are-somehow-even-worse-on-spotifys-major-playlists/
Howard
October 29, 2024 @ 9:14 am
Heard on a brief recent visit to a local Jamaican restaurant:
Bob Marley
Bob Marley
Toots & the Maytals
Chris Stapleton — Tennessee Whiskey
Ziggy Marley.
One of those things is not like the other …
Sir Adam the Great
October 29, 2024 @ 1:31 pm
Toots and the Maytals are a band and Bob, Ziggy, and Chris are solo artists?
Mike
November 4, 2024 @ 11:05 am
This is Wailers erasure my friend! /s
Brett
October 29, 2024 @ 9:19 am
I had a very similar experience last year at a brewery in Oregon, also jotting down all the artists so I could send my buddy a “You won’t believe this playlist” text. They expanded it even farther to include guys (and yes, all guys from what I remember) like Hank 3, Haggard, RE Keen, and Marty Robbins.
If their goal was to have me hang around drinking beer and spending money, it was achieved.
Redder Shade of Neck
October 29, 2024 @ 12:15 pm
The difference being a brewery is intentionally trying to be hip and edgy while a tire shop just wants tire buying music with broad appeal. The fact that there is some overlap here is surprising.
Stellar
October 29, 2024 @ 8:01 pm
Exactly.
I was in a Lowe’s shopping for plumbing last week and Sierra Ferrell (I think a dollar bill bar?) came on. I’m pretty sure they use some kind of corporate playlist rather than just playing the radio and I was pleased to see like three independent country songs in a row while I was in store
Creigh Gordon
October 29, 2024 @ 2:56 pm
The (many) breweries here in Albuquerque are huge sponsors of local live music, for which I am grateful. Kinda like the local casinos championing old rock acts.
Rich
October 29, 2024 @ 9:21 am
5 Star Yelp review deserved for this alone. The lack of females is an atrocity but can’t fault the shop for that. Kind of shocking no Lainey or Ashley or Meghan though. If it’s pulling in artists like CoJo, Combs and Stapleton one would think those 3 at least would be on there. I mean, if any independent females like Taylor or Erin or Sierra actually came on Trigger would likely have self-combusted on the spot.
JB-Chicago
October 29, 2024 @ 11:33 am
The Indy Annies were here last week Rich, opening for The Rangers, and it was an incredible show. They sound even better live.
Everyone knows how I feel about ladies in a playlist, They’re 30-40% of the rotation around here and of course if I ever made a “playlist,” they’d be on it. I’ve just never understood why folks don’t embrace them.
Rich
October 29, 2024 @ 12:38 pm
I told Breezey she was brushing greatness meeting the legendary JB-C from SCM! Glad you got to see them.
Strait
October 29, 2024 @ 12:05 pm
If the shop had a few women working I would think the playlist would suddenly include more female artists just because of how women can change a work dynamic. But I’ve also been in some friend group settings where a woman controlling the music only played Zach Bryan.
Howard
November 1, 2024 @ 12:31 pm
And that’s what radio folks have been saying for years, that today’s female country listener doesn’t want to hear songs by women, and not enough men do to justify heavier airplay. That’s why most of the songs with female vocals that test and stream well are duets with men. Ella Langley has been looking for a breakthrough song for several years and now she has one, a duet with hunky Riley Green Lainey Wilson had to record a duet with a guy to solidify her place on country radio. Megan Moroney’s follow-up to Tennessee Orange was a simpering collab with Old Dominion! The bottom line is this: Women need to start supporting their own and men need to drop the macho cowboy attitude and give more women a listen. Otherwise nothing is going to change. Research is on Nashville’s side here and playlists like the one Trig cited bear that research out even among non-mainstream country listeners.
Chris
October 29, 2024 @ 9:26 am
Here’s even more good news. You don’t have to be in Texas or Oklahoma to have this happen. I was shocked to walk into my local fishing clubhouse in Massachusetts and hear Turnpike on the speakers. When I asked the bartender who made that happen, she said it was the Tyler Childers station on Spotify. As Childers, Zach Bryan and others reach massive audiences they are exposing audiences to a lot of other great independent artists.
Jake
October 29, 2024 @ 2:21 pm
I was at a kids’ pool party where the BT speaker was being controlled by teenagers, and the playlist was chock full of Turnpike, Zach Bryan, Tyler Childers, and Shane Smith and the Saints, i.e. all of the stuff that you would hear on ‘Yellowstone’. I was at a Whiskey Myers show this past Friday, and I couldn’t believe the size and youth of the crowd (sold out the largest venue in my college town), and I’ve got to believe ‘Yellowstone’ factored in there as well.
RJ
October 29, 2024 @ 9:44 am
I have countless playlists for different times and such and the only female I generally have on them is Caitlin Rose. I have tried and tried and for some reason the female artists just don’t do it for me. I have friends that are in the same boat.
Perhaps I should feel bad about this, but art is incredibly subjective. I only offer this information as one person’s perspective on the uphill battle that female artists have to go through. It is a sad thing because there are so many with so much talent and hard work that goes into it.
Trigger
October 29, 2024 @ 10:52 am
Look, if people don’t like listening to women, that’s taste, and a subjective curation point that’s difficult to argue over.
But the bigger issue is that saying “people don’t like listening to women in country” becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy to the point where women never even have the opportunity to be heard. You can’t exclude 50% of the population from a playlist. You just can’t. Shawna Thompson just put out a killer album of songs that would slide perfectly onto this playlist. Taylor Hunnicutt, Sierra Ferrell could have songs here, and nobody would bat an eyelash.
Kaitlin Butts mentions regularly how she hears, “I don’t like country women, but I like you,” which is both a compliment, and an insult. But it’s also an opportunity. As a playlist curator, you have to be smart and find the women that will appeal to men, like Kaitlin Butts and Caitlin Rose, and place them into playlists at opportune and strategic times.
You don’t necessarily need 50% women or some other arbitrary number. But a good playlist curator knows what artist and what song will appeal to the intended audience, and will work women into playlists intended for men in a way that fosters discovery, and breaks through that “I don’t like women singers” bias.
Strait
October 29, 2024 @ 12:09 pm
Sounds like a bunch of sexists changed your tires. (sarcasm)
Maybe stop blaming the consumer and ask why the product of female artists isn’t more compelling to guys in the most “bro” of scenarios.
Trigger
October 29, 2024 @ 12:25 pm
I did not blame the consumer here, though one of the things that’s driving the male-dominated aspect of country music is the fact that women listeners seem to prefer listening to men as well, at least in the country mainstream. So the listener does deserve some of the blame here.
But in the case of this playlist, it’s not like consumers are being given a choice and choosing men over women. They’re being given the choice of men and men only, and they’re not even being exposed to the women, so they would never know if they prefer the men over the women or not.
It’s okay not be against identity politics, and still look at this scenario and say, “Yeah, 30 songs in two hours, and they didn’t include even one woman? That seems off.”
Strait
October 29, 2024 @ 7:00 pm
Yeah I kinda get that but if it’s a Spotify playlist it’s going to quickly curate a list from previously played songs and avoid the ones that are skipped. Whenever I select a random song on spotify it will play similar songs to that one and almost always pull from similar songs or the same songs I’ve played before.
If an algorith is creating a tailored playlist based on previous played songs whose fault is that?
Stellar
October 30, 2024 @ 8:44 am
The algorithm creates this kind of playlist regardless of what you’ve chosen at this point.
I listen to probably 30 or 40% female singers if not more, and the Spotify algorithm still tries to recommend Zach Bryan (who is popular but who I don’t listen to at all) and Morgan wallen (cool I’m pretty sure I’ve never listened to to on purpose in my entire life) and jelly roll.
It makes sense to show people things that are popular but in my case the algorithm clearly doesn’t understand independent country fans like me. It’s ignoring hundreds of hours of female singers and obscure deep cuts and the algorithm is insisting on showing me stuff that I have literally never shown any interest in.
The algorithmic playlists have clearly decided that “woman is a genre” but even in my case it’s ignoring my interest in that genre.
Howard
November 1, 2024 @ 1:26 am
For years, classical music stations played practically nothing but works by male composers, the only exceptions being Fanny Mendelssohn (Felix’s sister) and Clara Schumann (Robert’s wife). Of course, this is largely because women weren’t encouraged to pursue musical composition as a career in the 18th and 19th centuries in Europe, where most of the genre’s best-known composers lived. But in the past couple of decades, stations have started to address the imbalance by sprinkling in works by 20th century women such as Amy Beach, Cecile Chaminade and Florence Price — first during Women’s History Month, now year-round. I’m not aware of any station losing listeners or encountering angry protests over this.
One big difference, though: Female performers, as far as I can tell, encounter no discrimination at classical radio. Whether the pianist or the violin soloist is a man or a woman doesn’t matter, either to the programmers or the listeners.
PeterT
October 29, 2024 @ 9:54 am
The lack of women is a real shame as it feels like the indie country women have been really crushing it this year.
Kaitlin Butts
Sierra Ferrell
Noeline Hofmann
These are some of the most exciting names right now, making some of the best music. Hopefully they start to knock down some doors in the same way indie country has knocked down pop country.
Indianola
October 30, 2024 @ 7:10 am
Great list, and I would add Jamie Lin Wilson. Her songs could be written by Guy Clark and the sound is almost traditional country. I wish she toured more.
Kevin Smith
October 29, 2024 @ 10:05 am
In my line of work ( civil construction- bridges, roads, municipal water lines etc) we have a workforce that’s 90% country guys, ie- from rural areas and farms. I find it fascinating that I get guys on my sites playing music via Bluetooth connection and not one of them is an NPR listener and I doubt any listen to ” Americana” knowingly. These are guys who run a farm at night and weekends, but work construction during the week for benefits. They raise kids in 4H and FFA.
Venture to say they aren’t familiar with SCM. But, they love country music and im increasingly hearing them playing Zac and Tyler, Crockett, Turnpike and the like. And the older ones have been into Whitey Morgan and Jinks for awhile. How did they discover it? Word of mouth, Spotify etc. The younger ones in their twenties know all about ” Red Dirt” Country. Count me pleasantly surprised. That’s how I gauge this musics popularity, if the real country people know it, then clearly it’s catching on.
Recently had some iron workers on the site playing this stuff. Iron workers, these dudes tend to be pretty hard-core hellions. A lot of them are bikers, etc. And they are finding this music. Times are a changin indeed
Tom
October 29, 2024 @ 10:20 am
…country radio may have its (considerable) flaws but this “curated” playlist abouve, although i like the sound of it very much on the surface, is actually a pile of useless, ignorant garbage. no wallen? – come on, the guy may have his limitations but not having the currently biggest star on such an entertainment product is as ridiculous as misleading. i am on record for suggesting “god bless cody jinks”, but four songs of his even to me seems that god was probably a bit too gracious and biased there. and the curator totally useless.
praising that different country sounds/stars/eras fit well next to each other ain’t really worth writing home about. anybody, who has been listening to country music over some time, or has made a mix-tape or two in his life, knows that. the fact that commercial country radio stations don’t do it has more to do with their target demographic and a coherent, rather smooth overall programme/sound, which is not that simple to achieve actually, as well as being on top of the current game. that’s how they make their money and keep people informed.
not having one (solo) female on there is simply criminial, given that this year’s (consensus) album of the year most likely is going to be sierra ferrell’s “trail of flowers”. miranda lambert’s seemingly somewhat casual “postcards from texas” beat probably 90 percent of everthing coming from the male side. it takes something great like pony bradshaw’s “thus spoke the fool” to beat that one. then again, he sounds as if he had to work a lot harder than her to come up with a good result. there has been so much really good music coming from the female artists for decades now that someone, who comes up with such a piece of ignorant – if not misogynistic – crap like this playlist should be made to eat it, without ketchup.
Trigger
October 29, 2024 @ 10:41 am
One HUGE bifurcation point when it comes to country music is the presence of click tracks. If you put a Morgan Wallen song with a click track on it, it would train wreck this entire playlist. Now, if you put one of his more traditional country songs on here—which he has more than his detractors give him credit for—maybe it would slide on by just fine. But I can’t emphasize enough how the use of click tracks segregates the two sides of the music world.
Harry
October 29, 2024 @ 11:13 am
When you say “click track” are you referring to the finger snap rhythm? Just asking, because a click track s something usually not heard by the audience or on the final product of a record. It’s basically a metronome for the musicians/singers.
Trigger
October 29, 2024 @ 11:25 am
808s, drum loops, snap beats, whatever it is, if it’s programmed as opposed to played by a human, that creates an immediate punch out for many traditional/independent/Americana listeners, and any playlist curator worth their salt would know this.
Stellar
October 29, 2024 @ 8:09 pm
Yeah that’s different
A click track is a guide track (metronome) that some people use when recording or even performing. It’s a specific technical term for a metronome.
Trigger
October 29, 2024 @ 8:14 pm
I am extremely, extremely aware what the term “click track” means. It’s used as a metronome reading for recording or practicing music. It’s also used to describe electronically-generated beats in songs.
Joseph W Robson
October 29, 2024 @ 10:33 am
Katlin Butts is BIG Here in North Florida (And Played In-Store !) As Well as Sierra Ferrell, Emely Nene And Making a Big Splash, And Whom I gonna see This Friday Club Night, Taylor Hunnicutt. These Fine Ladies Deserve as Much Airplay as the Above Mentioned….
Chris
October 29, 2024 @ 10:55 am
I often think about the women in country thing. As a guy, my “Favorites” playlist is 837 songs and they are all male singers except, I think, 2 songs: Fox Hunt by Sierra Ferrell (because that’s just a fuckin banger) and The Tree by Hannah Dasher (similar reasons). I don’t have anything against female artists, I’m glad that flavor exists for those who want it, but it seems like I have a hard time relating to music from women, because those are farther from my lived experience, maybe? Another part of it I think, admittedly, is the testosterone part. It’s just not very masculine to have Taylor Swift pumping out the windows of your truck, you know?
Rich
October 29, 2024 @ 11:49 am
I do get what you’re saying about the perspective of a female led song and how it doesn’t relate to your lived experience – yeah, I don’t think “Cowboy Take Me Away” is gonna resonate with you. But…..I just scrolled through my own 800+ favorites playlist to find “gender neutral” female singer story song bangers. Not easy to find. The vast majority of the female songs on my playlist are first-person heartbreakers, man-haters or love songs. But I did find “Livin’ Next to Leroy” by Ashley McBryde, Miranda’s cover of “Livin’ on the Run”, “The Night” by Morgan Wade and “White Noise, White Lines” by Kelsey Waldon. Add a couple of those and you just doubled your ladies count. And I agree – “The Tree” is a killer song.
Stellar
October 29, 2024 @ 8:11 pm
I ran a Reddit thread and made a playlist about “anything but romance” topics for women country singers. Check it out, hundred plus songs: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5FmxmDNyLWWt95iAJMGjycnXykxLv03N&si=dtL1X_Ajzxc6XYJq
Adam S
October 30, 2024 @ 10:50 am
Hey, you’re missing r/ from your website link btw
Trigger
October 29, 2024 @ 12:13 pm
Sure, as a man, songs from a male perspective are going to come from a more relatable, lived experience for me. But personally, I can have a deeper emotional connection to a woman than I can with a man. Not to sound creepy, but a song can allow you to fall in love with a woman for 3 1/2 minutes.
Again, taste is subjective. I’m not going to badger people into loving women in country if it’s just not their thing. But it seems strange to not give them any opportunities to resonate with an audience, which in a public space is going to include 50% women.
Strait
October 29, 2024 @ 12:16 pm
Some of my top 20 fav country songs are “Let me touch you for awhile” (Allison Krauss & Union Station) , Love at the Five and Dime (Nanci Griffith), The Night’s Too Long (Patty Loveless / Lucinda Williams)
None of these are songs to play around the boys.
I go to a female dominated coffee shop in town. Maybe I should post up there for 3 hours and make sure they are being diverse.
Strait
October 29, 2024 @ 11:56 am
As long as I’ve been alive mechanic and car garages always leaned towards playing classic rock or country. Male country artists like the ones you mentioned are the new modern “classic rock” sounding bands. Your local muffler shop was never the place to hear acoustic singer-songwriter blaring while Jeff finishes his second doughnut.
I’m not saying that there isn’t a discrepancy between the sexes but music playlists in a male-dominated business are going to skew towards male artists – and songs that their buddies won’t snicker at them for picking.
Speaking for myself when I am along on the road it’s probably a 60/40 ratio between male and female artists. Song choices in a group scenario will always be different. It’s one thing to be alone in your truck putting on songs that make you tear up vs working in a shop and having songs play that your buddies won’t make fun of you for.
I’m also going to say this: female country today is not as good as it was in the past. I’m not going to apologize for this statement. Yes there are exceptions. Yes Sierra Ferrell is amazing and I play her music too but there aren’t Shania Twain level female performers today. Sorry but Lainey isn’t it. I was a kid when Shania was at her peak but even then I knew how big she was with male audiences.
T Mac
October 29, 2024 @ 2:50 pm
I hear you Strait.
– Lita Ford
– Pat Benatar
– Vixen
– Heart
– Joan Jett
– Joplin
There were a few that hung with boys back in the day but its far from 50/50.
I’d pick Kaitlin, Nikki Lane, Morgan Wade’s first and third albums, Courtney Patton, the Sierra’s, Bri Bagwell in the company of the rockers above that I’d jam to now in your analogy.
Strait
October 29, 2024 @ 7:49 pm
I like Sierra Ferrell more and more.
Daniele
October 30, 2024 @ 6:11 am
i never gave a fuck if my buddies made fun of my musical tastes, not even in my D.R.I. days
Glenn Hunter
October 29, 2024 @ 12:08 pm
There are plenty of great choices by outstanding women singers, but maybe you have to go back in time a little? As in, just about anything by Patty Loveless, Carlene Carter, Tammy …
kross
October 29, 2024 @ 12:31 pm
sounds like you need to trade your truck in for a Subaru. I hear they play a lot of KD Lang and the Chicks in the service department.
AKADE
October 29, 2024 @ 12:47 pm
Maybe as a German I’m missing the cultural context or the linguistic subtleties between “female” and “male” country music. But I cannot understand this distinction made by some here at all. There are so many great new female Country artists (or Americana, or roots music, or whatever label people are putting on this music): Sierra Ferrell, The Castellows, The Local Honeys, The Secret Sisters, Molly Tuttle, Brownyn Keith-Hynes, Brenna MacMillan, Kaitlin Butts, Noeline Hofmann, Waxachatchee, Hurray for the Riff Raff, Karen Jonas, Eddy Lee Ryder, Brennen Leigh, Margo Cilker, Emily Nenni, Kimmi Bitter, Shawna Thompson, Cristina Vane, Kat Hasty, Two Runner, Hanna Juanita, Ella Langley are all absolutely amazing. As a man, I can’t imagine a playlist without songs from these outstanding artists.
And: You have no idea what role the Castellows are currently playing in popularizing Country music in Europe. I’m looking forward to their concert in Berlin as well as to Wyatt Flores and 49 Winchester.
Indianola
October 30, 2024 @ 7:16 am
Is it true that in Germany when someone plays Hardy in public he is immediately corrected by other citizoens and given instructions on how to find a better playlist?
AKADE
October 30, 2024 @ 3:23 pm
To be honest, Hardy isn’t really known in Germany and doesn’t appear in playlists. Country is an absolutely niche music in Germany, regardless of the style.
Even people who were or are superstars in the USA are virtually unknown here.
Hardly any German knows who Garth Brooks is, for example.
Luke Combs, Morgan Wallen, Chris Stapleton are completely niche artists here.
– Not that I’m particularly into these people myself. But with this I want to make it clear what a blatant outsider music country is in Germany.
When I say that I like country – real country – people always look at me with a bit of pity, as if I had a mental illness.
Mericuh
October 30, 2024 @ 8:28 am
It is just sort of a trope and fact that female country acts don’t get as much play as male ones in the States for whatever reason. As a radio guy said and got in trouble for a few years ago, “Male acts are the lettuce in our salad, and female acts are the tomatoes.” While one can certainly point at individual songs as being overtly masculine or feminine, mostly there isn’t necessarily any specific difference causing it.
CountryKnight
October 29, 2024 @ 1:07 pm
Observation number five doesn’t mean much when a playlist is that amazing.
I would give my two left lugnuts for a radio station like that around here.
thegentile
October 31, 2024 @ 6:58 am
classic CK.
says “observation number five doesn’t mean much” when observation number five says “not a single woman.”
scm’s favorite lil celibate.
CountryKnight
October 31, 2024 @ 7:08 pm
Way to leave out the final and crucial part of my sentence.
As Fuzzy famously said, “Country music doesn’t have a woman problem. It has a stupid problem.” That playlist is full of great songs. That is the only thing that matters.
thegentile
November 1, 2024 @ 6:24 am
so you’re saying there are no good songs by women currently that could have been included or just don’t want them in there?
CountryKnight
November 1, 2024 @ 7:22 pm
I am saying there is nothing wrong with that playlist.
thegentile
November 1, 2024 @ 9:18 pm
how’s the wife?
Trigger
November 1, 2024 @ 9:41 pm
Every time it’s aback and forth with you two guys. Nobody comes here to see this.
Stop it.
RebJas
October 29, 2024 @ 1:28 pm
Went to lunch at one of my favorite breweries back during the summer and heard “Sunday Morning Paper” by Turnpike playing. One of the best burgers in town and one of my favorite bands playing while I ate it. What more could I have asked for?
Sidenote about one of those classic artists on the playlist: I saw Dwight in Tuscaloosa a couple of weeks ago and he still puts on a great show. Hour and a half of hits, one right to the next.
Rusty
October 29, 2024 @ 1:40 pm
Sometimes I’ll play a Spotify station and I’ll always skip the lady artists when they come on. Just never been a big fan of female country artists, especially the modern ones, so I get the playlist. Sounds pretty good to me
Happy Dan
October 29, 2024 @ 3:23 pm
Very interesting story thanks Trigger.
I’m sorry no women were in there, they’re missing out on some serious talent that would fit right in with the boys mentioned.
JF
October 29, 2024 @ 3:23 pm
Here in the PNW this kind of thing happens all the time. And it still gets me excited when it does. I was out for drinks at a pretty high-brow bar (not country at all) the other night and heard Charlie Crocket and Joshua Ray Walker back to back.
And I have actually said several times, while listening to my local terrestrial country radio station, “Man, these guys play A LOT of Stoney Larue” (they also play a lot of Reckless Kelly, Flatland, Charles Wesley Godwin, Shane Smith, Crockett, etc.)
Myron
October 30, 2024 @ 2:20 pm
Took daughter to ER in Portland recently, nurse is wearing a Charley Crocket hoodie. WTF? Travelling nurse from Austin.
AvgJoe
October 29, 2024 @ 3:40 pm
Anyone else notice how Outlaw Country on SiriusXM plays a ton of female artists these days? Good for them. I agree there are a lot of talented ladies out there new and old. But I don’t listen to it, so when a DJ plays more than a couple an hour, I tune out. Maybe the guys in the tire shop feel the same way and have some say. If I had to listen to girl music at work all day, I’d lose it.
Kevin Smith
October 29, 2024 @ 4:46 pm
Everyone here is so laser focused on the tired old discussion of ” not enough women getting play” that gets rehashed ad nauseum. We debate it endlessly here, over and over and over. Many know the reality, men in the company of other men, usually play male singers. Thats not totally blanket but nonetheless a fair characterization. The other arguments are women prefer to be entertained by watching attractive men, in general. And finally, more men get into music than women. So what do we do about this? I don’t see this whole scenario changing much. But certainly there are women making a living making music.
My deal is this, I started hearing country radio around 1980 when I was a wee lad. Those eighties had lots of women in the mix, Janie Fricke, Tanya Tucker, Forrester Sisters, Dolly, Emmylou, Lacy J Dalton, Karen Brooks, Charly McClain, Shelly West , Reba , and on and on. So I grew up liking both men and women singers. Thats why to this day I like both, but if I’m honest, I’m maybe 70/30 more to the male side. And I’m not ashamed. I think that reflects my taste.
I suspect that algorithms create Playlists and it is likely driven by traffic and click counts, even with the good music.
I think Trigs larger point with this is progress has been made, the real deal music is getting out into public consciousness.
goldenglamourboybradyblocker71
October 29, 2024 @ 5:45 pm
Maybe the list should be 18% Hispanic and 14% black,but anyway….Seems this list buttresses the belief of many non-Country fans that the genre is a boys’ club,specifically a handsome white cowboys’ club.(Speaking of whom,hope you had a GREAT 52nd birthday yesterday,Oct.28,Brad Paisley !!!!!!!)
Wayne
October 29, 2024 @ 6:13 pm
I’m not going to repeat comments I’ve made on previous similar articles.
I will say this. These artists like Childers, Bryan, etc became popular WITHOUT mainstream music support and backing. Thus, women by that very argument have the same opportunity. They can build an undeniable fan base just like the guys did.
It seems to me one cannot applaud the men for being able to do it and then complain the women can’t. Just seems to me that some complain the “music establishment ” is not doing enough for women, and then in the same breath say that others have become popular without the establishments help.
Something is off here.
Strait
October 29, 2024 @ 7:46 pm
I have an idea on why this may be. Most of the female artists listed here I have heard on a local Nashville roots radio station WMOT. My idea here is that the female artists listed are more Americana than the male counterparts. Straight-up Americana music struggles to make it into the setlists of bar bands, on Country radio, or on DJ playlists.
There is a difference in the music of the newer female artists referenced here compared to mainstream country in the 90’s and back. I think that they sound more Americana and it’s an uphill battle getting that music to be played along with the male artists listed above. I’m not saying the female artists listed aren’t good but that their music is more Americana in sound and production and that is hurting them. I don’t know the solution here. This is my theory on why the average man working in a garage doesn’t care about them.
I have played 14 of the songs listed above onstage. The newer male artists are somehow avoiding that “boring” Americana sound.
Trigger
October 29, 2024 @ 7:59 pm
Yeah, that idea is bunk. Kaitlin Butts is country. Shawna Thompson is country. Hanna Juantia is country. Emily Nenni is country. These are country women with current albums that would fit smack dab in the middle of this playlist. Miranda Lambert just released perhaps the most country album of her career.
Peppering two or three women throughout a playlist like this would prove that women are at least being considered. You include zero, and you give away the game.
Strait
October 29, 2024 @ 8:02 pm
There is a difference to their sound. I’m not throwing shade. I’m trying to pinpoint a reason why men and women aren’t choosing those artists to play in a public setting like this. I’ve played 14 of those songs on stage – the newer ones were downtown on Broadway where people requested them. Again I’m not saying their music is worse in any way but there is a certain pop sensibility to music that is played in bars and amongst people where more americana sounding music is not.
Trigger
October 29, 2024 @ 8:12 pm
I just strongly disagree with that assessment. Zach Bryan and Tyler Childers are WAY more “Americana” or rootsy-sounding than all of the women I listed, and all of their music is accessible with plenty of sensibilities. It’s just the public is not familiar with it, because it’s not being populated onto playlists, so it’s not being requested on Lower Broadway. This is the self-fulfilling prophesy I’m talking about.
Strait
October 29, 2024 @ 8:53 pm
Everyone here seems to be open about the female artists that they listen to and how they found him. Why not call back to that tire place, say that you run this site and that you were impressed with their selection of music and then ask them the question posed here about why there wasn’t any female artists?
Maybe ask them if female artists came up and they skipped the tracks and they algorithm just plays whatever, or if the playlist was specifically made with those songs.
Trigger
October 30, 2024 @ 6:58 am
The tire shop was using a subscription service. They weren’t dictating the playlist themselves, which means this same mix might play in hundreds or thousands of businesses.
Strait
October 30, 2024 @ 8:40 pm
What subscription service? Spotify is a subscription service and myself and others here have detailed how it curates playlists very closely to previously played music
Strait
October 29, 2024 @ 8:08 pm
Miranda Lambert is a good example. When she first hit her music was some of the best country out there and was above the music of her male counterparts. Her early stuff has been played so much that it’s a little old to hear now.
I think the producers are partly to blame hear. They play a big role on shaping an album’s sound. You can disagree with this all you want, and who knows maybe I am wrong, but the fact remains that those tire shop workers aren’t picking their songs and perhaps they feel the same way I do without realizing it. My stating this is not a condemnation of those female artists – I’m just trying to identify the answer.
You can’t fix a problem by blaming the consumer. Most decisions made in this situation are subconscious.
Strait
October 29, 2024 @ 9:15 pm
“Zach Bryan and Tyler Childers are WAY more “Americana” or rootsy-sounding than all of the women I listed”
I disagree.
Kaitlin Butts, Shawna Thompson, Hanna Juantia and Emily Nenni all have an over the top twang to their voice that gets old pretty quick.
John Prine is as country as country can get but there is only so much I can listen to.
Trigger
October 30, 2024 @ 6:56 am
“Kaitlin Butts, Shawna Thompson, Hanna Juantia and Emily Nenni all have an over the top twang to their voice that gets old pretty quick.”
So now they’re too country? I thought they were Americana.
It’s crazy watching people contort themselves to excuse no women being on this playlist, which honestly, speaks to the uphill battle women face.
Strait
October 30, 2024 @ 8:50 pm
Dude…I’m not putting them down. I am attempting to answer the question posed in this article. It’s obvious that you don’t like any attempts to answer the question that you don’t agree with. Again you are blaming the consumer.
You keep avoiding the point that Spotify will curate a playlist that very closesly sticks to previously played songs. (Or was it established that it was some other subscription service?)
Look…I was trying to be respectful to the female artists listed above but there is a difference in their type of country compared to the male artists as it pertains selections to “DJ’ing” music for your work buddies. And again you can go fuck yourself with your disrespect of saying that I am “contorting myself.”
Strait
October 30, 2024 @ 9:03 pm
Historically female country artists have always been mixed in with male artists on the radio. Multiple people here have listed older female country artists that they still mix into their listening in the modern age of Spotify. And obviously it was financially beneficial in the days of radio to mix in female artists because it resonated with overall listeners.
Fast forward to today where the algorithm, or whatever programmer with whatever online subscription service is avoiding mixing in female artists to self-curated country playlists. Either the female country music of today are not up to par with the male counterparts IN THE CONTEXT of music that people want to hear at work in this situation – which is why it is being left off, or that men are more sexist now than they were 25 years ago. I don’t know what other assertion can be made here.
Trigger
October 29, 2024 @ 7:54 pm
“It seems to me one cannot applaud the men for being able to do it and then complain the women can’t. Just seems to me that some complain the “music establishment ” is not doing enough for women, and then in the same breath say that others have become popular without the establishments help.”
There were ZERO women in the 30-song, 2-hour block I listened to. ZERO. It was a curation point for this particular playlist to not include ANY women. Or if there were any women on the playlist, they were played so infrequently, not even one could be heard in two hours.
The assertion here is not that you can’t make it without the establishment’s help. Sierra Ferrell is selling out massive venues. Lainey Wilson is the reigning CMA Entertainer of the Year. But they were nowhere to be found on this playlist. So they are succeeding, DESPITE playlists like this. The problem is the same gender bias that persists in the mainstream is being translated into these more independent playlists as well. And you can’t say, “Well that’s because nobody wants to listen to women” when Sierra Ferrell has 3 million Spotify listeners a month.
MUMarauder
October 29, 2024 @ 6:30 pm
Aside from my 15,000+ iTunes catalog on my iPod classic, I listen primarily to AccuRadio which has excellent 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s country channels as well as more specific ones like Bakersfield, Country Roots, and so on. Next to no commercials. A++
goldenglamourboybradyblocker71
October 30, 2024 @ 5:32 am
The handsome cowboys who invaded Country in the aughts and teens (I guess the late nineties were the beginning) appealed to the ladies because to some (though by no means all),their looks were just as important if not more so than their music.Guess the Blossoms must do the same to get the lads listening and buying because they’re taken by their ( hot lady artists’) beauty and sound.
goldenglamourboybradyblocker71
October 30, 2024 @ 5:35 am
Aren’t female artists’ voices more Americana than most male artists’,Emmy Lou Harris and Kathy Mattea being two prime examples ?
Howard
October 31, 2024 @ 3:21 pm
Kathy’s voice is more like Anne Murray’s. The difference is in the material they chose to record and the chances they took musically.
Di Harris
October 30, 2024 @ 5:57 am
Find a new tire shop.
You can let the women of country know you have their back by never ever going back to your local tire dealer.
Trigger
October 30, 2024 @ 6:55 am
…and this is the reason I didn’t name the tire shop. Not their fault some nationally programed music subscription service didn’t play a woman in 30 songs.
Adam S
October 30, 2024 @ 11:09 am
These playlists are usually still curated over time through likes and skips. I’d say the fault still lies mostly with the service, but each station won’t be the same at each location over time as the algorithms try to triangulate the taste of each client.
Great article btw, really enjoyed it.
Tommy Toughbolts
October 30, 2024 @ 6:59 am
My boys do baseball training at a facility on the outer rings of St Louis twice a week. Mind you this is a place full of 10-18 year old suburban youth. I In the past month I’ve heard Chris Stapleton, Zach Bryan, Alan Jackson, Luke Combs, George Strait, Tyler Childers, Zach Top, and a number of other artists I listen to regularly. I expect to hear this at a place near where I live an hour to the east. But To hear these songs in a place like this is beyond refreshing. Just a few years ago, places like this would be booming with mostly hip-hop (which is fine). To know that country music is being infused into spaces like this makes me smile. Country is cool again.
ApeEater
October 30, 2024 @ 8:47 am
The biggest takeaway I get from this, that you didn’t cover, is tire shops take way too long to do a fairly simple job!
Cornelius Rooster
October 30, 2024 @ 8:47 am
The issue of getting more playlist representation from the (excellent) female musicians we have in the independent country music space these days is puzzling. I find myself perpetrating this problem and hitting skip on songs by female artists that I genuinely love to listen to. I’m not sure if its a “vibe thing” or just the fact that as a male I perceive and interact with female-sung tunes differently but I cant deny that a hearing a different vocal gender sometimes interrupts “the groove” on a playlist so to speak (and speaking strictly in the “putting on some tunes while doing some light manual labor” sense… this does not apply when actively sitting and listening). Oddly enough, with older music this doesn’t seem to be an issue. I can jump from Marty Robbins to Loretta to James Hand to june carter to jerry jeff to patsy cline and back again without it seeming jarring. And there are some modern female artists that play similarly with their modern male counterparts- It seems like Charlie Marie and Karen Jonas sneak in pretty often without getting the skip- and theres nothing particularly unfeminine about their music but for the most part, I must admit that in casual listening of music written in my time (1990 or so to the present) I cant deny that the ladies often get short shrift. I might have my favorites on shuffle and get moonpies-> charlie robinson-> gabe lee-> colter-> mark lavengood-> bottle rockets-> corb lund-> and then sierra ferrel and, as much as I hold her music in equally high esteem (and in some cases higher) as the others- and as different as some of the other artists are from one another, sierra still might get the skip simply because the cave man part of my brain decrees it so. Maybe we can get some government funds earmarked to hook some good ol boys up to some electrodes and get to the bottom of this mystery.
WildBill
October 30, 2024 @ 2:55 pm
Women always have to be perfect while men can live the life of mediocrity. Remember the whole “boys will be boys “ claptrap heard spoken from a many a person’s mouth.
CountryKnight
October 30, 2024 @ 3:54 pm
It is the exact opposite. The WNBA exists.
A pretty woman can just exist and land a millionaire, divorce him, and live in luxury.
WildBill
October 31, 2024 @ 6:11 am
Too much anger in you, my fellow. Maybe, lay off the nugenix? Have a blessed day
CountryKnight
October 31, 2024 @ 7:09 pm
Get better talking points.
Tapout accepted.
WhatwouldBillyJoedo
October 30, 2024 @ 3:27 pm
Great article! My Spotify playlists have been expanded – by both male and female artists because they were covered on SCM. And I always hit skip when Wallen or Mr. Roll come up…..
Because of searching Spotify for female country artists brought up here, my playlists have gotten better – so thanks for that! I tend to gravitate towards more male voices – Like you said, that’s just individual taste, but it sure made me smile the first time I heard Taylor Hunnicutt added to my daily mix!!
Scott S.
October 31, 2024 @ 6:13 am
There’s been a lot of articles here about the disparity between men and women in Country music. There’s been a lot of comments about how unfair it is by readers. Saving Country Music has featured several very good female artists over the last few months, Emily Nenni, Kimmi Bitter, Kasey Waldon, Taylor Hunnicutt, Hannah Juanita, India Ramey, Eliza Thorn, among others. Yet most of these reviews receive very few comments, and often those comments are negative.
Not sure what the disconnect is. Not just on radio or playlists, but with fans. I used to think it was mainly due to most female artists being in the more pop country lane, or more Americana rock than country. Maybe the fact that some more popular female artists have switched their sound after initial success like Margo Price? But it’s not if male artists haven’t done the same.
The fact is that there are more good female artists out there playing good Country/Americana type music than ever before. These women are making an effort to produce quality music. It would be a shame if they decided it wasn’t worth the effort. Give some of these women a listen. You find you have been missing out.
Tom
October 31, 2024 @ 7:22 am
…speaking of kasey waldon, scott s., her take on “hello stranger” (feat. s.g. goodman) is as country as it gets and among the most played songs/clips on my 2024 playlist.
now, i’d be dead curious to learn from some, who comment here and do not/hardly have any female singers on their playlists, or skip female singers immediately, what their favorites of this year are, which they believe can match or beat this performance of the two women. i am listening.
Scott S.
October 31, 2024 @ 9:10 am
Won’t get an argument from me. Kelsey has released two country burners in a row. I’m a fan.
goldenglamourboybradyblocker71
November 1, 2024 @ 1:58 am
Anne Murray,the Canadian lass,would have likely been more popular were she American.
goldenglamourboybradyblocker71
November 1, 2024 @ 1:59 am
Anyway,where are the Highwomen and Pistol Annies ?
goldenglamourboybradyblocker7 1
November 3, 2024 @ 11:10 am
WHITE men can be mediocre;sometimes perfect isn’t enough for us black men.