On Paul Cauthen Calling Out Charley Crockett

It’s pretty clear at this point that Charley Crockett is going for it, and going for it big time. He’s feeling it now that he’s signed to a major label, and just released a killer record in the Western-flavored and thematic Dollar A Day. And so there no more biting his lip or biding his time. Full throat, he’s out there on social media and in high-profile interviews mixing it up and speaking his mind. We saw this recently when he went after Morgan Wallen and Gavin Adcock.
But the bigger you get, the brighter the spotlight shines, and the greater the scrutiny comes down, especially when you’re scrutinizing others.
Charley Crockett is most certainly one of the biggest rising stars in independent country with a super loyal fan base. He’s threatening to break out into the amphitheater level and is already headlining festivals. Yet there’s always been a certain segment of the independent country population that’s regarded him as inauthentic, if not an outright fraud. Even those who fully embrace Crockett do so understanding there’s somewhat of an act going on, but one that is an authentic extension of Charley’s persona and personal history.
When he sat down for a wide-ranging conversation with Joe Rogan in June, Charley Crockett did a great job addressing some of these authenticity concerns, specifically his time in New York City performing on subway cars with rappers and such. But this was also the first time we saw Crockett getting slightly ahead of his skis. He seemed to unnecessarily discount his original record label Thirty Tigers, and said “Waylon Jennings was always rock and roll. He was never traditional country,” which isn’t exactly true. But these were nit picks of an otherwise excellent interview.
But then Crockett’s propensity to sometimes not choose his words wisely also came up in his rebuke of Gavin Adcock and Bro-Country. Though Crockett was correct to point out the hypocrisy behind calling out Beyoncé for not being “country,” but giving a pass to Bro-Country and Morgan Wallen, he then turned around and praised BigXthaPlug who just put out a pretty terrible album marketed as country that even the hip-hop world isn’t behind. He also seemed to mish mash pop country and Bro-Country.
This garbling of opinions came up again in a recent interview Crockett did with Joseph Hudak of Rolling Stone. In the very first segment from the interview they decided to cut out and feature, Crockett expounds,
“They call the Outlaw movement a subgenre of commercial country. But today, there’s no doubt in my mind that what they’re calling pop country is most certainly a subgenre of Outlaw. Because, you know, I don’t think they stand for anything. You know, I think they stand for Auto-Tune, and songs written by a committee. It’s not to say that you have to write all your own songs. Outlaw was about standing up for your rights against a very rigid music business system in a game where you throw money at a young artist. And if it doesn’t work out, no problem, because there’s 1,000 standing behind you. Well, you know a controversial figure is unlikely to ever rise.”
Everything Charley Crockett says about Outlaw country is true. Everything that Crockett says about pop country is true. Saying “there’s no doubt in my mind that what they’re calling pop country is most certainly a subgenre of Outlaw” makes absolutely positively no sense whatsoever, and is an indefensible statement even by Crockett’s own other assertions. Yet strangely, people were praising this statement, perhaps because it included some truth.
Sure, maybe Charley just misspoke. But then it would be on the interviewer Joseph Hudak to attempt to clarify what Crockett meant. And it seems extremely curious why they would take this particular segment of the interview and lead with it. It all lends to the idea that Charley Crockett has gone from the deep and thoughtful musings he shared with Joe Rogan, to issuing applause lines on social media and in interviews that are starting to get him in hot water, and not just with his mainstream counterparts, or racist country fans.
On Thursday, August 28th, Paul Cauthen published a lengthy rant while lounged in bed on his Instagram Story that started off with this very same clip from the Rolling Stone interview referenced above. FYI, Instagram Stories disappear after 24 hours as opposed to reels and posts that last forever. In the rant, Cauthen basically called out Crockett for being a fraud, embellishing his back story, and also specifically went after Crockett’s claims that he’s related to Davy Crockett.
Here is an extended segment of some of what Paul Cauthen said. (WARNING: LANGUAGE)
Charley boy, Charley boy, oh man. This fairy tale’s getting out of hand. I know that you’re a student of country music and a student of all these fairy tales that you have put out to the public, that’s really, I mean, just straight up bullshit. I mean, I met you in uptown. You were DJing, and it was a whole different vibe going on then. And then from, I don’t know that point to let’s say 2020 or whatever, I guess you busked and lived in New Orleans, in San Benito, and you went over to your uncle or granddad, Davy Crockett’s house, and it’s just all bullshit, bud.
I mean, come on bro. Just play music and stop lying. I’m usually not the commotion stirrer, but I like to end bullshit. I really love to end it, and I want everybody to know that everything that’s been said about the past and you know, all this shit, it’s bullshit. And it’s just lies now. He kicks around, sings beats the shit out of his guitar.
Stop being a pathological liar and thinking that you’re something that you’re not. You’re just a singer that’s ripping off the past, that’s bringing it in like it’s your blood and your shit. Well, you’re not related to Davy Crockett and you’re not fu–ing Bob Wills. So just go play.
I gave you one of my granddad’s songbooks on my back porch in East Texas where I grew up in the house that I grew up in. And this is getting to a point where you’ve gotta just play music and shut up about all the past and all what you’d think about genres and everything. It’s bullshit.And everything that you’ve said about your past is made up. It’s a lie, but that’s okay. You know, people lie, but it’s just bullshit, buddy. And you know it. And I’m not gonna let up because I’ve worked too hard in this business to watch somebody lie to the fans.
Charley, I love your music. I think you’re a great singer and performer. Wish you the best, but lying just doesn’t sit well with me. So just come out there and get on another podcast. Do your little Ted Talk and tell people, ‘Hey, you know, I’ve embellished the truth a little bit just so that I could get another leg up in the business.’ It sounds way better that I came from disparity and hoboing and train robing and shoot ’em up cowboy cap gun shit, but it’s just fairy tales.
Paul Cauthen went on to say that if Charley Crockett was related to Davy Crockett, then Cauthen must be related to NFL running back Emmitt Smith.
For the record, Saving Country Music has pressed the Charley Crockett team to clarify Charley’s relation to Davy Crockett in the past with no answer. Crockett has said previously that it’s something that one of his grandfathers told him that he took to heart. Crockett also seems to have backed off the Davy Crockett claim recently. The name of his record label through Thirty Tigers was “Son of Davy.” Now though his deal with Island Records, it’s called “Lone Star Rider.”
Similar to the time when Paul Cauthen called out Oliver Anthony for attacking artists for using Autotune and backing tracks without naming names (inadvertently implicating Parker McCollum), Paul Cauthen is sort of an imperfect critic here. Cauthen’s music has gone from authentic county to his current cocaine-fueled disco country sound, including machine beats and pseudo rapping.
But as Cauthen says himself, most every musician on stage is doing some version of a put-on, at least to some extent. For Paul Cauthen, he purposely leans into it in a way that might be off-putting to large segments of country fans, but is also so obvious, it’s not something that could be considered as underhanded.
At the same time, Crockett has been open and honest about parts of his past, including his time in New York City and on the subways. That’s what was so important about his Joe Rogan interview. Cauthen is coming in hot with “everything that you’ve said about your past is made up.” There might be things Crockett is making up or embellishing for sure. But other things are verifiable. Frankly, it’s on the press to ask the right questions, and to try and drill down to the truth, and get past the persona an artist presents.
Charley Crockett is not going to be any more significantly injured by Paul Cauthen’s rant than he was when Gavin Adcock clapped back at him. Frankly, it’s probably good press for both performers. But as Crockett’s popularity continues to grow, and he continues to confidently throw out opinions about country music that are sometimes confused and easily refutable, the critics are going to start getting louder, and bigger, as the scrutiny will get deeper and more widespread. Paul Cauthen is right that at this point in Crockett’s career, honesty is the best path forward.
Charley Crockett can say whatever he wants. But it does feel like being more careful and calculated with his words would be in his best interest.
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September 2, 2025 @ 9:30 am
Were we actually supposed to believe the ‘related to Davy’ thing? I always assumed it was just a bit of fun.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:47 am
I mean multiple media outlets including this one ran with the lie that Charley is black.
September 2, 2025 @ 8:03 pm
….except it’s not a lie, any more than saying he’s White. Charley Crockett is of mixed race.
September 3, 2025 @ 6:29 am
That’s just wrong. If someone is self-admittingly over 97% of something than that racial makeup is more accurately what they are.
September 3, 2025 @ 10:48 am
There is social cache to being Black.
September 3, 2025 @ 3:30 pm
Are you saying that being black provides a storage place for a group to use or do you mean that there is a degree of prestige within a group if you are black? If it is the latter, then it is social cachet, not social cache.
September 3, 2025 @ 4:44 pm
Jobs and college admissions are easier if one is a “diversity hire.”
Playing the “race card” makes it more difficult to be fired or have an admission rejected.
Loans and scholarships are more available to minorities.
Charley is a mediocre performer. Somehow noticing that makes one racist. So no one notices.
Rappers who can’t sing a note or play an instrument get careers based on having zero skill besides running their mouths and posing.
Imposters like Crockett take it a step further. He ain’t black but uses that credential as shrewdly as P.T. Barnum.
“There is a sucker born every minute.”
September 3, 2025 @ 5:23 pm
I can’t ever imagine thinking about anyone as much as multiple people in this comments section think about Charley Crockett, let alone someone the purport to hate.
September 3, 2025 @ 6:01 pm
Charley is also Jewish. So there’s that.
September 3, 2025 @ 8:45 pm
Translation: Charley is untouchable and we aren’t allowed to point out how he lied about his backstory.
I’ve defended Zach Bryan through the online drama when I don’t even like his music simply because the drama is entertaining. Being told to essentially just shut up and stop talking about how Charley’s past doesn’t line up with his storytelling is insulting – especially now that he’s calling out other musicians which pushes his past “fabrications” into fair game territory for scrutiny. I don’t like being told to just accept his backstory that is the foundation of his so-called credibility outside of his actual music – which is yet another thing I was told to just believe and shut up about which is how Charley is simply not a good vocalist. A fake backstory and shitty vocals is too much for me to ignore.
September 3, 2025 @ 5:32 pm
It just proves Charley was never homeless.
He lives RENT FREE…
September 19, 2025 @ 9:21 am
…and as they say, The higher you climb, the more your ass shines. “Mixed-race” asses included.
September 6, 2025 @ 12:52 pm
If crockett isnt black, there isnt a black man walking around on this earth.
September 2, 2025 @ 9:32 am
“Charley Crockett can say whatever he wants. But it does feel like being more careful and calculated with his words would be in his best interest.”
And there you have it.
I’m on his side, I think, but just STFU and play.
September 2, 2025 @ 9:43 am
I know a good amount of white people that have been told growing up that they have some Native American somewhere in their family line, which is probably just a lie some relative told at some point and passed on. Probably the same thing with Crockett where if he actually dove deeper he would find out that the legend became fact, and he printed the legend.
September 2, 2025 @ 10:44 am
If you grow up with your grandad telling you something all the time, you going to tend to believe it, esp. if it’s something cool that confers you a sense of pride and identity. It’s not like he did a “23andMe” and a deep genealogical survey, and then came to that conclusion. Maybe he did do some research later and thought, “Yeah, maybe that’s implausible,” and started backing off the claim. Maybe Charley’s grandad thought that because his dad had told him that, and so on through generations. Or maybe there is so distant relation to a time before Davy himself with the Crockett bloodline.
Either way, it’s not something that is going to make me not like music that I’d otherwise like. I do take Cauthen deeper point though of just being honest.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:02 am
Charley stated in an interview with Texas Monthly that his great grandmother was part black and somehow that escalated to Charley being black himself.
Being super generous with the claim and calculating that his great granmother was half black, that’d only make Charley 3.125% black. I’m not using African DNA math though.
September 2, 2025 @ 8:02 pm
Leaving out lots of context to support your perspective there Strait.
This is what is actually said about Charley Crockett in the Texas Monthly interview:
https://www.texasmonthly.com/arts-entertainment/the-long-ride-of-charley-crockett/
“Other, less informed objections often feature a racial, even racist component. Though Charley identifies as white, his great-grandmother was part-Black, and when he was a kid, as his hair darkened from its early blond, people started wondering what race he was. That perceived ambiguity has followed him ever since. “When I played the streets, it would more often be Black people questioning it. They’d get close and say, ‘Oh s—, I thought you were a brother. My bad.’ ” Social media trolls have been significantly less gracious, posting comments along the lines of “Who’s the mulatto?” and “I didn’t know Steph Curry sang country.”
Where did that “I didn’t know Steph Curry sang country” comment come from? I have seen it multiple times on Facebook whenever I post an article on Charley Crockett. In fact, a similar comment has been left in this very comments section.
On Jun 21, 2021, Thoroughbred left the comment, “Is it me or does this guy look like Steph Curry? I’m sure I’m not the first to point that out.
Comment Permalink:
https://savingcountrymusic.com/see-charley-crockett-on-tour-when-you-can/comment-page-1/#comment-1273664
As I said in another article, when I met Charley Crockett, it was clear to me he has some non-White ethnicity in him. He has darker skin, and a kink to his hair. I’m not a genealogist and I don’t have Charley Crockett’s 23andMe profile. But I think it’s clear to anyone who sees him that the Black part of his genetic lineage is strongly expressed, especially if people are calling him Steph Curry on a regular basis, which they are.
Is it fair to say that Charley Crockett is 100% White? Absolutely not. Is it fair to say he’s 100% Black? No. Charley Crockett’s racial makeup is complicated. And if due to the fact that he has people ripping apart his racial identity like can be seen throughout this comments section he doesn’t have an issue being identified as Black because it’s been used against him in the past, I respect that.
It’s a complex issue. Trying to simplify it by saying “He’s not Black” is just as unfair as criticizing him by saying “He’s not White.”
September 3, 2025 @ 6:25 am
Percentages matter. It’s just that people realllly like the idea of him being part black – which is weird.
The Texas Monthly article was behind a paywall that appeared in less than 10 seconds after attempting to read the article.
September 3, 2025 @ 7:18 am
Yeah, I had to weasel my way past the paywall, but it is important context.
September 3, 2025 @ 6:40 am
It’s not complex at all. He said his great grandmother was part black. Assuming that is true that puts his % of black DNA nearly at 0%, not something like 25% or 50%.
I tan easily if I am outside a lot and I have curly hair – I am 100% white. I was holding back saying this but there have been other internet famous people who aligned themselves with black culture and falsely claimed they were black and eventually got outed for the lie (Rachel Dolezal, Shaun King) I think this is a case where Charley made the claim not expecting anything of it, and that isn’t my problem, it’s that this outlet has made the claim multiple times that Charley should be heralded as a black artist equally as obviously black artists – which HAS to be offensive to someone who is obviously black right?
I would love to hear the input of someone who is black on if they would accept someone claiming black identity equal with people who are 100% black people
September 3, 2025 @ 6:44 am
Steph Curry is half black. People thinking you are part black doesn’t mean you automatically have that genetic makeup.
I have had curly hair since I was a kid and people say a lot of things.
September 3, 2025 @ 10:11 am
…ugh, yeah. Social media comments are absolute eye cancer, particularly Facebook comments. I’m a NASCAR fan, and, well, you should see the things people say about Bubba Wallace week in and week out, even after he won one of the series’ most significant races a few weeks ago.
September 3, 2025 @ 9:10 am
@strait– You threw in an extra generation there. If one great-grandmother was half-black, that would make Charlie 1/16 black or 6.25%. (Assuming no-one in his other lines is black at all.) Not that it makes a difference.
(I suppose if those “reparations” plans ever get implemented, figuring those sorts of things out will become a huge field.)
September 3, 2025 @ 9:18 am
it would be 1/16 divided by 2 for half-black, which is half of 6.25% – which is 3.125%
September 4, 2025 @ 7:55 am
@strait – It’s 1/8 divided by 2. If his great-great-grandmother was was half black, it would be 1/16 divided by 2.
September 4, 2025 @ 3:02 pm
The truth was when his great grandmother died they found some letters from a maid who used to help straighten her hair that that she was mixed Cajun. Cajun itself is a mix. I have photos of both of his parents who are white, and I have a photo of him as a child holding up a portrait that was painted of him and he has straight blonde hair. Most people in America have a bit of a mix and it’s a wonderful thing. But it’s not right to take away from truly black artists!!
Biggest point here is that the source about Charley cannot be Charley.
September 5, 2025 @ 5:20 am
I’m not Crockett and I’m not his family but I’ve dove into his genealogy myself, after looking at some of my own, and I feel fairly confident that Charley is a direct descendent of Davy. I’ve gone through 3 or 4 sites through the Crockett side, through his grandfather Charles Hayes Crockett, Sr. and the way it turns itself out on all sites, it lists Davy as either a 14th or 15th great grandfather to Charley.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:29 am
Vincent Neil Emerson found out he was 1/8 Native American and it became his entire identity.
These people will transform themselves into anything for the next good touring spot.
September 3, 2025 @ 10:16 am
VNE used to be good. Then, he became extremely annoying with his persona thing.
All these artists are just trying to reflect an image to advance their career, Paul Cauthen included.
Please shut up and play good music.
September 4, 2025 @ 3:53 pm
Funny, his Spotify profile features a picture of him with Charley Crockett.
September 2, 2025 @ 2:01 pm
My grandmother was half Choctaw, but I don’t put that in my artist bio. All that really matters to me is: can you make great music? I haven’t heard 1 Paul Cathrine song that could make it on my setlist. If it has M88s on it , a real country band aint gonna play that karaoke style. We’ve played a couple of Charley’s tunes tho, which are tracked with real human artesian players, and do better with audiences that came to hear Live Music.
September 2, 2025 @ 3:08 pm
My wifes grandad always told her and his other grandkids he was half native American from the same tribe as Pocahontas. She always relayed that story. Her aunt did an ancestry only to find out they were all Irish and Scottish. No Native American anywhere. We all had a big laugh.
September 3, 2025 @ 9:37 am
Is your wife’s sister a senator from Massachusetts?
September 3, 2025 @ 10:48 am
This is a poster child for why I think the concept of “race” is psuedo-science at best. The human genome project showed that the dna strands which express a characteristic of “race” are in all of us – totally shared dna. At a different frequency or concentration expresses more of an “appearance”. But I’ve never once seen what % dna strands one needs to enter into a race or exit out of one. Why? Because the entire concept of race is some made up, ignorant bullshit that is meant to divide tribes. That’s not to say a lot of people treated a lot of other people badly because of this psuedo-science – they did. But they were ignorant as hell of the science of dna when they did. Imagine telling white-cluckers at a segregated pool they failed the “one drop rule” too. That would have been fun.
September 6, 2025 @ 12:56 pm
Maybe tbey were told that cause its true. Maybe not your issue.
September 2, 2025 @ 9:48 am
Cowboy Charley reached his peak in country.
It’s over, folks.
Now he will go back to his poor, black roots in hip hop and R&B
He has already set up the tour.
https://thecroonerandthecowboy.com/
September 2, 2025 @ 11:58 am
Actually, Charley is the Cowboy in this act, not the Crooner. So I don’t think he is ‘going back’ at all.
Surprised you got it confused. But both are awesome artists, for sure.
September 3, 2025 @ 1:13 am
Where I’m from you wouldn’t call yourself a cowboy just cause you sing country
September 3, 2025 @ 8:25 am
Those less cowboy than you aren’t cowboys. And for those more cowboy than you, you aren’t one either. Regardless ‘where you are from’.
Cowboy, these days, is a state of mind. A blend of authenticity and stoicisim (at least with regards to the acceptance of nature and the human condition).
September 3, 2025 @ 8:41 am
This is a working theory at least. Designed to combat this whole machismo cowboy attitude.
September 3, 2025 @ 9:02 am
The Cowboy in the Village People was a Cowboy.
September 2, 2025 @ 9:49 am
I don’t understand where Paul is coming from but a few things I know are true:
Charley grew up in Los Fresnos, TX before moving to Dallas at some point. Me being originally from McAllen, TX and now living in New Orleans, I’ve talked to Charley about growing up in the Rio Grande Valley and Johnny Canales, RIP. The RGV may not be everyone’s flavor of Texas, but it’s very real and a great place to grow up.
Charley absolutely busked in New Orleans way before 2020. We’ve talked about that and several folks I know knew of him during his time here. One of those folks booked his first proper show at a venue here in New Orleans, Hi-Ho Lounge, back in 2019.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:36 am
He left the Valley when he was like 5 and has played there once in an empty arena because he doesn’t know anyone in the Valley.
I’m sure he will start calling people “cuh” in his monologues soon enough though.
September 2, 2025 @ 9:59 am
Unless Davy Crockett fathered a child when he was 5 there is zero percent chance they are related
September 2, 2025 @ 10:04 am
Is it just me or is the independent country music revival of the twenty-teens, the scene Brent Cobb chronicled in his song “When Country Came Back to Town”, fracturing and curdling at this point? A lot of those artists are barely “country” anymore and now it’s all about the culture war and petty social media beefs dominated by blowhards. Feels like we’re going in the wrong direction.
I was already feeling Crockett fatigue starting at least a few years ago but this feels different now. I know fandoms these days are all about picking sides and digging in but I’ll stick with artists who focus on the music rather than the noise.
September 2, 2025 @ 12:53 pm
its not just you. This scene blew up and has turned into a cash cow, and is creating some of the exact bullshit that we all hated about the mainstream country scene because now, the “independent” scene has become the mainstream.
Now you have all the hallmarks of a music trend having its moment: derivative artists who blow up out of nowhere, dumb social media beefs (fueled by other artists looking to get their names in the headlines), and the label-created stars with slop music.
There’s still so much good stuff, maybe more than ever, but there’s also so much bad stuff that comes with the explosion of the independent country scene into the mainstream.
jeremy pinnell rips, just saw him at sagebrush on friday, shit rocked, he rips
September 3, 2025 @ 10:50 am
People are people, no matter the scene or place.
It is about time independent music fans accepted their heroes are petty as Nashville’s roster.
September 3, 2025 @ 11:32 am
Agree, you gotta just keep chasing the new guys and let the old guys go, unfortunately. It seems they all turn to shit eventually. Current favorites: Tyler-James Kelly and Joe Stamm.
September 3, 2025 @ 2:52 pm
It all started with Isbell and Sturgill Simpson. At least in this current paradigm.
September 2, 2025 @ 10:33 am
Cauthen can’t even get his facts right in this rant. So why should we give a shit about what he says? I saw Crockett do a show in Macon, Georgia, in 2017. Was a free show because a hurricane was blowing through town. But it was the Crockett show we all know and love. So Crockett was certainly not busking until “2020 or whatever.”
Cauthen should STFU and go back to trying to make good music again.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:20 am
Paul is right about Charley needing to stfu
September 2, 2025 @ 1:58 pm
IMHO, when Randy Travis, Steve Earle and Dwight Yoakam hit the scene I felt good about the Country revival. This new pop Country is pathetically oversensationalized to the point where it all sounds the same. Childers had a moment though.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:35 am
“Saying “there’s no doubt in my mind that what they’re calling pop country is most certainly a subgenre of Outlaw” makes absolutely positively no sense whatsoever, and is an indefensible statement even by Crockett’s own other assertions.”
His wording was awkward and definitely kind of nonsensical but what I think he was getting at is outlaw country and other traditional forms of country should be seen as the main country genre, with pop country as a subgenre, which is kind of the opposite for how the media and mainstream public treats country currently (ie the “I listen to everything but country” crowd). I think that’s valid and is why, while I think it’s good there’s a traditional country category now, it still feels like ceding ground to the pop country sensibilities, and we’d be better off if outlaw and other country sounds were considered the base country genre.
September 2, 2025 @ 8:04 pm
Yeah, I see how you can contort yourself to this conclusion. But I don’t think so, especially with Crockett propensity to misspeak, especially lately.
September 3, 2025 @ 7:43 am
I don’t think it’s that much of a leap, as long as you assume good faith. “Contort” is a wild exaggeration.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:42 am
I absolutely hate that I’m agreeing with both Adcock and Paul Cauthen lol. Charley Crockett’s shtick has annoyed me for years. It reeks of inauthenticity. That being said, I like that he’s making real country music and that he’s an alternative to whatever garbage Nashville is pumping out, even if his whole fake persona isn’t for me.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:46 am
I am violating the Midland-Diagonal Principal (a system of measurment where if an artist is over a certain line they cannot be criticized for fabrications in their backstory) by saying this but I don’t believe that Charley’s backstory is any more real than his “Cowboy persona”. Considering his grandfather was wealthy and how improbable it is to burst onto the music scene as a busker with such a limited vocal range – I have a hard time believing his backstory. I believe it’s much more likely that he is a charismatic rich kid who truly loves classic Country.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:57 am
Hmmm, I wonder what it is about Charley Crockett that makes some people in the country music scene a little bit uncomfortable, so much so that they need to take potshots at everything he says in a public forum? I really can’t think of any reason why he should be held to such a standard that other entertainers in Southern show biz don’t have to answer to. Really, what could it be? In this day and age, I can’t think of a single thing.
September 2, 2025 @ 1:31 pm
Most people don’t like tokenism and the imposters that it attracts.
September 2, 2025 @ 3:35 pm
Yeah, I, too, am completely baffled.
September 2, 2025 @ 4:04 pm
Hey guys Charlie Crockett might actually not be “black.” All you have to do is a quick search of his dad, Brant Crockett to find a Facebook picture of his dad with Charley. Definitely not black. His mom is supposedly of German descent (not black) but Brant’s wife is Irma Crockett. Who appears to be Hispanic. A search of his grandfather leads you to an obituary mentioning his son Brant Crockett by name of Irving, TX. You can clearly see in his obituary pic that any supposed African ancestry did not come from him which Charley has stated was the case many times in interviews. Further, he was quite a wealthy man which explains how Charley could bounce around from California to Spain and Morocco without a job. I suspect that the more you pull this thread the more the story behind this will unravel. I hate to say it because I like Charley’s music a lot. But this is turning into the Rachel Dolezal story.
September 2, 2025 @ 5:09 pm
Could be Charley is an illegitimate bastard resulting from an adulterous affair.
That might explain the trailer park aspect.
September 2, 2025 @ 5:28 pm
His grandad had fishing operations and shrimp boats on the Texas coast. I’d suspect that he lived in no trailer parks. But regardless of that, he has stated multiple times that his “black” ancestry is from his Dad’s side…. It clearly is not.
September 2, 2025 @ 8:07 pm
Nobody has ever said that Charley Crockett was 100% Black. He’s mixed race, with one of those racial components being African American. Anybody standing in front of the man would conclude this immediately.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/arts-entertainment/the-long-ride-of-charley-crockett/
“Other, less informed objections often feature a racial, even racist component. Though Charley identifies as white, his great-grandmother was part-Black, and when he was a kid, as his hair darkened from its early blond, people started wondering what race he was. That perceived ambiguity has followed him ever since. “When I played the streets, it would more often be Black people questioning it. They’d get close and say, ‘Oh s—, I thought you were a brother. My bad.’ ” Social media trolls have been significantly less gracious, posting comments along the lines of “Who’s the mulatto?” and “I didn’t know Steph Curry sang country.”
September 2, 2025 @ 8:28 pm
Trigger – I get it man. You believe it. I don’t want to believe the opposite because I like Charley’s music. But just put the story together and research it for yourself. Follow the stories he has told about himself and where he grew up from his parents and grandparents. If he claims to be raised by a single mother yet has a picture with his Dad, when did they reconcile? Follow the thread from there. His grandad owned interests down near the Padre Island area. Did he really live in a trailer park? How does one bounce from country to country with a quasi criminal record and no money or job? He made this authenticity issue part of his story and he calls out what be believes is not authentic. If these parts of his story are lies, then the critics questioning his authenticity aren’t racists they sense something is off and are holding him to the same standard. One in which he claims to uphold. I strongly suspect this is what Cauthen is referring to here.
September 2, 2025 @ 10:19 pm
Dan,
I wrote an entire article that talks about how Charley Crockett’s recent public statements have opened him up to increased speculation and scrutiny, and how he should be more cautious with his words and proclamations, and specifically said it’s up to questions the things he says as opposed to just reporting them.
When you say, “You believe it,” you diminish all of this. What do I believe, that the dude has a certain percentage of African DNA that is clear and present to anyone who stands in front of him to the point where the comparisons to Steph Curry have become commonplace? Yes, I believe that. That’s also the truth. You cannot say he’s not Black. You can say “It’s complicated.”
Also, I never said the people who question his authenticity are racists.
September 3, 2025 @ 7:32 am
Dan, this is getting a little QAnony. You really don’t know anyone who was raised by one parent but occasionally saw the other one? Really that hard to believe that a father that split wouldn’t pay child support? Take one look at the dude and he clearly has some mixed bloodlines, as many of us do.
I’m assuming you ain’t familiar with train-hopping buskers, like most folks, but that’s literally what they do, bounce from country to country without a job and no money Wherever they land, they play the music that puts coins in the hat wherever they happen to be. I did it myself for a while, and have many friends in that scene. Every once in a while of em blows up and we gotta deal with all the suburbanites’ questions. No one ever called y’all racist by the way, you’re projecting.
Charley’s clearly doing some mythologizing about himself, but you people are just as bad.
Also Paul Cauthen is very loud for someone who sucks that bad and I am very tired of him.
September 3, 2025 @ 8:07 am
I guess the dollar a day question is: can Charley get away with saying the N-Word?
September 3, 2025 @ 8:09 am
Everyone is mixed race if you go back far enough.
September 3, 2025 @ 10:51 am
https://txccarro.genealogyvillage.com/Schools/RLTurner/Yearbooks/2002/Full_Scan/2002_Roar_Pg125.jpg
September 5, 2025 @ 6:23 pm
I like how they all dressed up nice for their photos.
September 3, 2025 @ 10:52 am
Texas Monthly doesn’t capitalize White?
How intolerant of that rag.
September 4, 2025 @ 3:10 pm
You are completely correct. Mom’s name is Jan Crockett. She has been in advertising her whole life. I feel bad for her because he makes it out like he grew up so poor when she worked really hard to provide everything he ever needed. He’s always had a place to stay with her. She’s a great lady who goes to a lot of his shows.
September 2, 2025 @ 5:25 pm
We would love to hear you elaborate on this point, I’m sure your path to rationalization is not very straight…
September 2, 2025 @ 6:16 pm
Which point?
September 2, 2025 @ 9:42 pm
Ahh, this again…can’t criticize Charlie Crockett or Beyonce, because of their ethnicity? I think the ultimate equality would be to be able to comment on a anyone’s music regardless of these factors. What a cheap way of shutting down a conversation.
September 2, 2025 @ 12:06 pm
1st of all, I think Paul Cauthen has totally leaned in to his tongue on cheek as I think Wheeler walker has….it’s like David Allan Coe back in the day, a personal, without the actual writing of DAC which is undeniable. Charlie Crockett, is just the same thing in a different taste or version, that’s why I don’t care for him or Zach Bryan. It all sounds the same to me. If other people want to like it, great for them, hell, I turn on some metal or southern rock that not everybody is in to. Just quit saying your something your not and then bashing other people. Let people like who they want and play what you want.
September 2, 2025 @ 12:14 pm
I simply listen to people’s music and don’t care about the other stuff, because we really don’t know what any of these people are like. I will say that Charley allowed himself to be questioned when he tiook shots at certain parts of country, but followed it up with completely terrible takes on Beyoncé and BigXthaPlug. Made it seem personal and not genuine.
September 2, 2025 @ 12:40 pm
How remedial can you get? Fake persona? Look up the definition of persona.
This is entertainment and show business. A persona is what gets asses in the seats.
People all around the world have to put on a costume to go to work every day. Maybe they slip into another persona when they are out fishing or taking family out to dinner.
Does one have to be born rich to landowner parents who have a cattle farm to be authentic country?
Jerry Jeff Walker wasn’t born in Texas. Is he inauthentic and guilty as well of a “fake” persona? Or did he work hard, live an authentic life and make a mark on the world?
September 2, 2025 @ 1:00 pm
I was equally confused when I heard Charley say “there’s no doubt in my mind that what they’re calling pop country is most certainly a subgenre of Outlaw”. I think he must have just misspoke and lost track of what he was saying mid-sentence, because that makes zero sense.
Also think Charley is smart enough to realize how much this “beef” is helping him, and is part of why he keeps leaning into it.
Also idk why Paul Cauthen of all people chimes into conversations about country music and expects to be taken seriously.
Jeremy Pinnell rips
September 3, 2025 @ 5:12 am
When will the new Jeremy Pinnell be out? new singles rip!
September 3, 2025 @ 3:36 pm
Jeremy pinnell rips ass.. that’s about it. I’d rather go to a karaoke night and hear people sing Hank JRs are you ready for some football.
September 2, 2025 @ 1:15 pm
What the heck?
1. He criticized some of the worst “country” out there and that was him in discussions.
2. Paul Cauthen was one of my favorite artists and now it is so far from cool country that it makes me so sad every time I think of it.
3. He gave an opinion. We all have opinions.
4. He has been frank with his “persona” and his past. I primarily listened to doom metal growing up. Does that make it so I would never be “real” playing country or wearing boots?
I get it folks. Some of you don’t think he is real enough. That said, this is a lot of vitriol coming his way.
September 2, 2025 @ 1:24 pm
Maybe “authentic” Charlie Crockett is a little bit reckless sometimes, and says things without thinking about them carefully. And maybe “authentic” Crockett also loves the part of being a star that allows him to dress in beautiful old style country clothes and pose in front of old cars and even ponder his possible connection to Davy Crockett.
Playing music and putting on a great show is what we pay Crockett for–and perhaps he’d like to keep a little bit of himself to himself. Asking creative people to be “authentic” seems like overstepping our boundaries.
September 2, 2025 @ 1:53 pm
I think my new rule is that if the thread here has more than 20 comments, I am not reading the comments. 😉
September 3, 2025 @ 3:22 pm
Yup same shit different thread
September 2, 2025 @ 2:17 pm
Re: Charley’s Davy Crockett roots…it says it in his grandad’s obituary. Also, his grandad doesn’t look very um… how do I put this?
https://www.brownmem.com/obituaries/Charles-H-Crocket?obId=6502210
September 3, 2025 @ 5:30 am
Family members or loved ones usually write the obituaries. It’s not like the funeral homes have someone fact checking what they include as information.
September 2, 2025 @ 2:29 pm
Has anyone out there considered that perhaps what these guys are alluding to with Charley Crockett is not that he isn’t an outlaw or that his act as a cowboy isn’t real but perhaps his whole story of who he is is not real. More specifically, are we about to find out that Charley Crockett is the Rachel Dolezal or Shaun King of independent country music? Perhaps he backed off the Davy Crockett story line because it exposes this?
September 2, 2025 @ 2:59 pm
Met Charley several times in the early years. Always super nice, personable. I mentioned I was from Vermont and he told me he played between scheduled acts at a local BTV bar for tips living on the street. He’s been a hustler from early on and has that, I was homeless for years, experience that IS real. John Wayne was a cowboy actor. IMHO, CC can’t be pigeonholed into any genre. He made magic from nothing. And don’t be negative. It’s wasted energy.
September 2, 2025 @ 3:03 pm
Did he smell homeless?
September 3, 2025 @ 7:34 am
Hah. Yes he did. There’s a certain train-riding funk you just can’t hide behind a fringed jacket lol.
September 2, 2025 @ 3:14 pm
I like Charley Crockett’s records. Nice relaxing country music. The son of Davy claim always seemed a little far-fetched, but, hey, with a name like that, it’s an obvious gimmick. I don’t care about his color, although he doesn’t look black to me. I listened to the Joe Rogan interview because Trigger said it was good, but was extremely put off by him agreeing with Joe at the very beginning that the moon landing was a hoax. Kind of hard to take anything seriously that comes from a conspiracy theorist. So, honestly, I don’t think he’s the brightest candle on the Christmas tree. But I enjoy his music. And that’s all I ask for. I’ll get inspiration elsewhere. And I’ve never heard of Paul Cauthan or his music. But country music with disco beats, no thanks.
September 2, 2025 @ 4:57 pm
Yeah, if anyone asks, I say just start listening about 30 minutes in.
September 3, 2025 @ 6:44 am
Man imagine not listening to something because someone said something that you don’t believe in, used to be a time when people could have conversations in which they agreed upon nothing but still had the respect to be friends when the conversation ended even if they disagreed about EVERYTHING. Grow up pobracito.
September 3, 2025 @ 11:37 am
I began and ended my comment by saying that I like listening to Charley Crockett. Even though I was disappointed by his comments in the interview. So I don’t quite understand your comment. I’ll be optimistic and think that you just misread what I said. (And do brush up on your Spanish spelling… 😉
September 2, 2025 @ 3:35 pm
I think the important thing here is to look at who is vouching for who. Benjamin Tod is fully behind Charlie, which IMO puts his street credit well above the Paul Cauthen’s of the world who think smoking cigarettes snorting coke and eating an apple cures cancer. If BT says CC is legit, he’s legit. Paul is the mildly special ed guy from HS that you watched do dumb shit for laughs at parties but generally avoided back at school. And btw, PISS ON BRO COUNTRY
September 2, 2025 @ 3:35 pm
Mm, yeah. I said it elsewhere and will say it here:
Anyone who issues ”electrophunk remixes” of their songs has less than zero business calling any artist out on anything.
Especially when the original versions of the songs weren’t anything to write home about.
September 2, 2025 @ 4:20 pm
Like someone said. everyone has opinions.
Maybe there should be some sort of litmus test for people to pass before they can listen to country music? You know, some sort of test that people would need to take that proves they are worthy of listening to artists? Because right now you can buy an album without ever haven ridden a horse. Go to a concert without living on a ranch or sing along to a country song without having fixed a fence.
Tired of all these people who listen to Country music who have never lived the life!
September 2, 2025 @ 4:46 pm
Does growing up watching Hey Dude multiple times a week count?
September 2, 2025 @ 6:23 pm
That theme song still pops into my head at the strangest of times.
September 4, 2025 @ 9:53 am
So, your saying if you have never lived on a ranch, fixed a fence, or ever ridden a horse. Or anything else that has to do with like, working hard, you shouldn’t be allowed to listen to Country? Because I listen to country and I have not done any of those things, granted, I’m just a teen, but still.
September 2, 2025 @ 4:57 pm
Doing a little looking up on Family Search… it does not look like Charlie Crockett is descended from Davy Crocket. If you look up his grandfather there, it links back to a John T. Crocket who was born in New England in 1791. There was a John Crocket who was a younger brother of Davy who was born in 1787, but Davy was born in 1786 so he couldn’t be the father of John T.
That said… while Family Search didn’t have a link between John T. Crockett and a father, it does seem entirely possible that they’re related. Family Search links are made manually, and there are a lot of duplicated and erroneous entries, so obviously not perfect, but there were a lot of Crocketts who descended from William David Crockett, and even more if you go up a couple generations. The name was an Anglicization of a French name after the family moved from France to Ireland, so it seems quite likely they share a descent from that point. Of course, that’s the 1600s, so that’s a pretty distant relation, but it seems more likely than not that there is a connection.
One interesting note is that there are a lot of family names in there, including William David popping up as a name multiple times, including a sibling of Charlie’s grandfather.
It makes me think of my own last name, Mayfield. There are a lot of Mayfields in the country, and they’re mostly related if you go back far enough.
September 2, 2025 @ 7:16 pm
There is a phenomenon, apparently not known to some commentators here, called the family legend, in which ancestral connections with famous historical figures are claimed without good evidence. I grew up believing our family was descended from George Rogers Clark, the Revolutionary War hero, and his younger brother William Clark of the Lewis & Clark Expedition. Until I did genealogical research well into my adult life, I believed this to be true. It isn’t.
Frankly, I wonder about the motives of those who get suspiciously worked up about Charley Crockett’s assertion that he had a connection with David Crockett. Really, if they have a problem with Charley Crockett’s racial background (likely their actual beef), I would urge them just to be honest about it. Though people may not like or respect them for being racist assholes, at least nobody will call them hypocrites.
September 2, 2025 @ 7:33 pm
Charlie Crockett isn’t black dude. Search it for yourself…. The obituary of his actual grandfather claims he is a direct descendant of Davy Crockett. His dad’s picture on Facebook with Charley in it, he is clearly and unequivocally white. He is more likely related to Davy Crockett than he is black.
September 2, 2025 @ 7:48 pm
If that’s true — and let’s see the evidence first — there are going to be some severely confused and distressed racists out there. No, don’t feel sorry for them.
September 2, 2025 @ 9:07 pm
I think instead of there being some confused racists there are probably going to be some race grifters that are disappointed they got dooped again.
Dad
Search facebook and you will find a picture of him?m with Charley. Thoughts?
Paternal Grandfather
https://www.brownmem.com/obituaries/Charles-H-Crocket?obId=6502210
His great grandfather was a Texas Senator. George Clark Purl. His daughter Patrica May Crockett is pictured below. Thoughts?
Maternal Grandmother https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/68596096/patricia_may-crockett
https://www.dallasobserver.com/music/charley-crockett-tapped-the-soul-of-dallas-blues-by-traveling-the-country-7400786
September 2, 2025 @ 10:27 pm
For years now, I have been positively stupefied by the hours upon hours people will spend going down rabbit holes trying to discredit Charley Crockett. First it was the Davy Crockett hole. Now it’s the “He’s not Black” thing.
Charley Crockett’s claim is that his great grandmother was half Black, which ultimately expressed itself in stark African characteristics ANYONE can see with their eyes when they see a close up photo of him, or are standing in front of him. That’s it.
Charley explained a lot of the other stuff you’re busying yourself with on the Joe Rogan podcast, including the International travel. Is some of it embellished? Are certain things glossed over? I don’t know, maybe. But at this point, what are we even arguing over? Along with the whole Davy Crockett thing, folks dredged up a bunch of his stuff about his brother’s convictions to try and discredit him, which he’s also been honest about. All of this stuff is downright creepy. And to think I was laughed at for exposing Jelly Roll, who has actual skeletons in the closet.
September 3, 2025 @ 6:32 am
Frankly, I am quite surprised that no journalists have taken the 5 minutes it took to find this stuff. Almost like they don’t want to admit it to themselves because they have an agenda to support with this guy being the “outsider” part black guy in the independent country realm. No where close to an hour much less hours and hours it took to find these things. Jelly Roll sucks and we all know it, that’s why no one cares if he is exposed. Just because an artist says things on Joe Rogan doesn’t make them true. Tim Kennedy went on Rogan and every other podcast telling lies about himself and used those lies as a springboard for his career. Everyone believed him, even his book publisher until he got caught. Lying about being part black is akin or at least adjacent to cultural stolen valor. He made it about this. He planted his flag in this realm of authenticity. No one was looking for it. But when you go back through the actual history it’s quite a bit more likely that he is related to Davy Crockett and has a hispanic mom than it is that his Dad, knocked up the one german descended part African American woman in San Benito, TX and left her to raise him single in a trailer park while his Grandad was ridiculously wealthy and had interests all along the area. It also doesn’t make sense that his grandmother was born to a Texas Senator attending Highland Park High School in Dallas, TX in the early 20th century and we are supposed to believe that his great grandad, had a child with an African American woman as a Texas Senator or that his wife got pregnant by an African American man and that he “raised the child” as white and as his own in lilly white Highland Park High School in Dallas pre the Civil Rights movement? Wasn’t this school segregated at that time? You think Highland Park High School would have given this family a pass? You say he looks black and are convinced of it because he has a kink in his hair? Have you seen him without a hat on? Is it not possible that he is part hispanic? But even if you can’t get past that, how come this did not express itself in his father or his paternal relatives? We are supposed to believe that his blackness skipped three generations or so? The “brotha’s” used to think he was white because he is. They are experts at spotting an imposter immediately.
“This guy is just a dude, paying a dude, playing another dude!!”
September 3, 2025 @ 8:44 am
Dude. You need to put some energy into the Bigfoot mystery. Or those pesky Epstein files. Would have all the questions solved by the end of the day.
September 3, 2025 @ 11:37 am
Is there not any part of you Trigger that realizes how insane it is to say that you see “stark African characteristics” in Charley Crockett? Can we pull up another picture of BigXthaPlug for comparison? I grew up in one of the whitest counties in the Country and sure enough there are those unusually tan kids who grow up to be tan adults with curly haired features who are from a long line of whities.
This is just a case of you falling for the lie and not being man enough to walk it back.
Joe Rogan has had a lot of guests who have outright told lies. All of a sudden the people who want Charley to be black are ok with Joe Rogan in this one aspect even though they deride Rogan in others.
September 3, 2025 @ 11:51 am
Are you still going on about this?
Have you stood in front of him? Photographed him at probably a dozen different events? I’m telling you, you see people making remarks all.the.time. I posted links. Is there any part of you that realizes how insane it is to still be harping on this, and to not understand that most people see him as mixed race, not because of whatever back of the napkin calculations you’ve done, but by actually looking at his physical characteristics?
September 3, 2025 @ 12:23 pm
Well, at least we can all agree that his Class of 2002 yearbook picture proves at the very least that he didn’t drop out of high school at 17 years old with a pawn shop guitar and get a GED. I would argue it proves more than that, but yeah I guess the rest of his persona is an authentic representation of himself and an extension of his personal history and 100% true…
September 3, 2025 @ 8:31 am
This comment is amazing. I love these sections.
Jerome: “The problem isn’t the him lying, the real
Problem is you noticing the lie and calling him on it.”
“And also you’re a racist” just for good measure lol
September 3, 2025 @ 10:45 am
https://txccarro.genealogyvillage.com/Schools/RLTurner/Yearbooks/2002/Full_Scan/2002_Roar_Pg125.jpg
September 3, 2025 @ 11:21 am
Just as I said last week.
Matt Crocket was a blond skater dude.
His high school yearbook proves it.
LOL!
September 3, 2025 @ 5:20 pm
Whoa. Interesting.
September 4, 2025 @ 2:22 pm
I’m a Charley fan – but I definitely see the humor in the fact that RL Turner in Carrolton is the same high school Vanilla Ice went to.
September 2, 2025 @ 4:58 pm
I heard recently that Marty Robbins was not actually a gunfighter and now I am pissed!
September 3, 2025 @ 1:24 pm
What?! Next you’re gonna tell me David Allan Coe didn’t really kill that guy in prison.
September 2, 2025 @ 5:10 pm
Bobby Dylan made up almost everything. It’s great shtick.
Thanks, as always, Trigger. You are a hero up here in Canada, and are more than welcome anytime.
September 2, 2025 @ 5:21 pm
The other thing here is that whether or not Charley is black is not super relevant to whether his music is good or not. His music is mostly good. What we do have to recognize here is truth. Truth is not irrelevant to any discussion. When someone claims to be black and makes part of their persona on stage rooted in a history as being authentic and if a certain country music website that I happen to be a great big fan of says that Charlie is an authentic representation of himself and his personal story then it warrants discussion. Is his persona or story authentic? If not, then we have major issues in the persona he is selling and his fans deserve to know that. When he is defending black cross genre artists in country while claiming to be one, and calling out Morgan Wallen (who is terrible) and others as ripping off black music, well that is about as inauthentic as it gets and something that we should call out. Especially this website given that is has advocated for giving real black country artists the space they deserve to be recognized. We all like people to be authentic and will accept someone who is regardless of color, much like the oft mentioned Charlie Pride or even Ray Charles as a county artist. What we cannot accept is a fraud. Ever.
September 2, 2025 @ 7:30 pm
Weird. I like Charlie Crockett’s music, but I never took his persona seriously. It always seemed almost as much of a shtick as Wheeler Walker. Looks like people are looking for something to be outraged about.
I’d prefer to focus’s more on what Wheeler says about Adele and Reba than what Charlie Crockett says about Beyoncé to Gavin’s Cock. None of it is real.
September 2, 2025 @ 7:39 pm
What did you think of Paul’s new single Thankful, Trig?
September 3, 2025 @ 10:29 am
Just not really a piano ballad guy, but I support Cauthen amid his Cancer battle, and think it was a heartfelt song.
September 2, 2025 @ 7:46 pm
Charley may not be related to Bob Wills,but perhaps he’s the late former Major League Baseball star Maury Wills’ (1932-2022) grandson.
September 2, 2025 @ 7:48 pm
“Ted Talk?” Ted Williams? Ted Nugent? (Hopefully NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Rafael E. “Ted” Cruz? (Ditto!!!!!!!!!)
September 2, 2025 @ 9:30 pm
Well, this made me listen to Cauthen for the first time. I see he has a lot of listeners. Oof.
Crockett’s never been too good at talking outside of edited bits for social media reaffirming how country he is. He’s said some ludicrous things in private as well. But truly, truly, who cares? Celebrity is a ridiculous losing game- can’t wait for him to weigh in on Israel/Palestine to feed the jackals. Why we need these people to be anything more than what they are is beyond me. Oh, Ellen was mean sometimes. Same. John Rich has some predictable dumbass thing to say about politics? Great. Rogan got high with a friend and said a bunch of deeply stupid bullshit? Checks out. Laney Wilson has a new clip talking about how country she is? Yup.
I’ll beat this dead horse until anything changes- Crockett has a killer band and arrangers/producers, still isn’t interested in learning how to sing well, and outside of just covering incredible artists a la James Hand, he and his helpers are great interpreters of the music I love. His live show has come a long way- he’s borrowed good stuff from truly great performers. This makes him more interesting than ~80% of the nonsense in contemporary country music for me. That’s enough.
September 2, 2025 @ 11:09 pm
This Crockett-Adcock-Tod-Cauthen feud is starting to get boring. The whole thing has very little substance.
Like teenage boys showing each other their muscles. Men who have to produce pithy statements.
Pointless.
September 3, 2025 @ 2:19 am
I’ve loved and listened to all genres of music since I was young and got into playing guitar and singing when I was 10…. I’ve looked high and low for the perfect vocal style and sound over goose bump invoking melodies that don’t get stale no matter how much you over play them and I’m telling everyone here and now that Charley’s music, whether his covers or originals IS THE BEST FUCKING SOUND IN ALL GENRES OF MUSIC BEING CREATED TODAY BY FAR!! NOBODY CAN FUCK WITH THIS MAN’S SOUND OR EVEN COME CLOSE!! The man came from nothing and truly had zero advantages going for him other than his pure ambition and talent to create and perform music, which organically manifested itself into a movement that music enthusiasts of all races and ages can appreciate, love and embrace. STOP TALKING SHIT ABOUT HIS BACK STORY BECAUSE YOU HAVEN’T WALKED WHERE THAT MAN HAS WALKED!! Give the man the benefit of the doubt. He is the hardest working Artist in the music industry today performing more shows than everybody while making more quality records than anybody. I dare anybody to go listen to all of his albums over the passed ten years and tell me you didn’t come up with at least 30 new favorite songs by the man that make you 100% hooked on his sound. F**K ALL THE HATERS ON HERE BECAUSE YOUR LIFE SUCKS AND YOUR JUST JELOUS OF HIS.. BE HAPPY FOR THE MAN, HE’S EARNED HIS SPOT… WTF HAVE YOU DONE LATELY THAT HAS MADE A FRACTION OF THE IMPACT THAT HE HAS MADE??
AND GO LISTEN TO MY CROCKETT COVER SONGS ON YOUTUBE AT THE LINK BELOW BECAUSE IT’S HOT FIRE B***C!!
http://www.youtube.com/@skyviewranch-crockettcovers
September 3, 2025 @ 5:13 am
I’m waiting for a ounce of authenticity to show up in this whole thing, but when I consider the artists in question, I just don’t see it appearing. I don’t love or hate Crockett. I understand why he’s popular, but it just does nothing for me. Paul Cauthen bores me to death with his antics, although I do enjoy a few songs and completely understand why his voice is given so much praise. Gavin Adcock….well, I haven’t listened to him. Because his name is Gavin Adcock.
Anyway, this whole thing is mind-numbingly boring. These boys should put the ruler away and just make music.
September 3, 2025 @ 5:27 am
I love Charley. He is literally making a style of music that would be gone with the wind. I do not care about all this “act” bs. Dude is making real country music. I can appreciate that. His R&B stuff ain’t bad either. What is all the race stuff. He is mixed race and who cares.
September 3, 2025 @ 6:04 am
Crockett plays up, or at least to, his “blackness” because it gives him cred among the NPR crowd. His sound is also easy on the ears in that it is kind of formulaic in a way. It comfortably fits into what the urban/suburban professional class wants country music to have been, be, and continue to be.
The more concerning question for me is country sounding country music going to be relegated to a pet niche, gate-kept by the intellectual class, like Bluegrass. With the simultaneous embrace of “independent” (country sounding country) by that class, along with the total denigration of mainstream country in terms of quality and taste among the traditional fanbase of country music — who have lapped up the evolution of destruction from pop country to bro to “raptrap”– it seems like an inevitable conclusion at this point.
September 3, 2025 @ 10:37 am
“Crockett plays up, or at least to, his “blackness” because it gives him cred among the NPR crowd.”
You might be right, but him also puts him on the wrong side of racists, so it’s a double edged sword. The whole reason it’s a discussion about him is because he clearly looks mixed race. This is what a lot of folks are missing. I’ve seen the Steph Curry comments myself on this site, and numerous times. It’s part of his narrative, and thus, fair to talk about in regards to his music.
September 3, 2025 @ 6:36 am
Trigger, one of my sons turned me on to Spotify several years ago. I really like it because I can make my own play lists of the music I really love. Most of the artists in my play lists are gone now but their music lives on. I check out your site in the hope that I’ll find new country music that I like. And to my surprise I actually have found some. I just wanted to say that I think this kind of stuff is ruining your site. I know what I like when I hear it and this kind of stuff makes me never even want to give a listen to the artist being talked about. I’m an old guy now and one bit of advice I got when I was young has served me well, keep your mouth closed and your eyes and ears open. I don’t need to know what everyone’s opinions about everything are, I’ve got my own. Stick to SAVING COUNTRY MUSIC. Oh, and thank you for your attention to this matter 🙂
September 3, 2025 @ 10:33 am
Hey Don,
Thanks for reading and glad you found the site.
I agree that this kind of drama “hurts” the community that has been built around independent country artists, though in truth, both Crockett and Cauthen probably get a boost from this “drama.”
I definitely don’t relish in writing about this stuff. But I do think it is important all that’s said is contextualized and scrutinized, and it’s up to the press to do that. This happened last Thursday, and I didn’t post about it until the next Tuesday on purpose because there was a lot of great music coming out that Friday, and I put that as my first priority. If you don’t like these kinds of posts, by all means avoid them.
September 3, 2025 @ 3:31 pm
These Charlie Crockett pists have turned into that episode of Seinfeld where Elaine thinks her boyfriend is black and he thinks she’s hispanic.
September 3, 2025 @ 6:59 am
I’m a follower of SCM I also have been a subscriber of Texas Monthly magazine for years, I’ve always trusted their journalism. They did this article a while back. It’s worth a read, to shine light on some of the issues talked about in his thread. I have an account but I think anyone can view the article, if not sign up for free trial https://www.texasmonthly.com/arts-entertainment/the-long-ride-of-charley-crockett/
September 3, 2025 @ 7:44 am
This cosplay cowboy is on his 4th manager in 12 months. Trouble is brewing.
September 3, 2025 @ 8:05 am
Look I know a lot of people will defend Crockett and other associated artists. Yes Crocketts music objectively is far superior. But come on. Crocketts vibe and associated acts defending him are getting tedious. Morgan Wallen and Adcock are douchebags but they do and say what they want. Be damned if they write they’re music or not but at least theyre not fake people, even if their music might be as perceived by some. We’re getting authenticity of music confused with the person. It’s the same reason everyone beats up on post Malone and Beyoncé. Everyone knows their grifters regardless of their music sounding country. Sorry but these independent artists need to realize the very same rules they use to judge others will come back and eat them alive if they don’t keep their mouth shut. Everyone is a hypocrite in this world in some way. Everyone. “Authenticity” in and of itself isnt the battle these boys want to fight.
September 3, 2025 @ 8:54 am
A big part of Crockett’s success has to do with timing, an uncontrollable factor. Had he released The Man From Waco in 2009, just like his mentor James Hand’s The Truth Will Set You Free, hardly anyone would know who he is. Charley also works his ass off, releasing 2-3 albums a year, consistently. I’m not sure of any other current country artist that does the same. Sure, part of his schtick is an image of a Country-Westerner, he calls it Gulf Western, but that’s true of every successful artist in every genre, they all have a curated image to fit the music. He writes most of his music and I think mostly it’s genuine, with imagery and wit thrown in. I know he comes from a rough upbringing and none of his success was handed to him. Seems like an overall good dude.
September 3, 2025 @ 9:16 am
Its all rather pathetic from Cauthen and I don’t think Crockett helps himself. Charley Crockett makes good music. He should let the music speak for itself.
September 3, 2025 @ 10:55 am
Neither side is likeable in this feud.
One is a cultural appropriation cowboy and the other is an insufferable punk.
September 3, 2025 @ 12:48 pm
While I certainly understand the importance of authenticity and feel we should all aspire to live our truth and what’s genuine to us the best we can………….at the end of the day what I care most about is if the music is good or not………….much like with Midland and the authenticity debate they roused.
Hopefully his turn to a major label doesn’t spoil him and result in diminished musical quality, but he already has forged an unmistakably strong track record with his catalog to date that I’m appreciative of.
Paul Cauthen originally did compel me, too, and I still feel he has the potential to do so again despite losing me in the meanwhile with some of his latest creative decisions and detours.
September 3, 2025 @ 12:53 pm
I am struggling to understand what people are mad at Charley Crockett about — not fitting neatly into a racial identity box? Go touch grass!
September 3, 2025 @ 1:27 pm
What?! Next you’re gonna tell me David Allan Coe didn’t really kill that guy in prison.
September 3, 2025 @ 2:55 pm
If Charley Crockett is kin to Davy Crockett, then that means that Bill Monroe was the great-great-great grandson of President James Monroe, Deana Carter is a cousin to the late Jimmy “Jimmuh” Carter, Alan Jackson is a great-great-great-great nephew of President Andrew Jackson, and the late, great, Johnny Bush was a first cousin, twice removed of President George H. W. Bush. See how easy this is?
September 3, 2025 @ 3:10 pm
A little birdie told me Chapter 11 is coming for the Crockett’s.
September 3, 2025 @ 4:57 pm
Yep. Bankruptcy is part of the grift.
September 3, 2025 @ 7:04 pm
You’ve all got it mixed up. Crockett is white; Tubbs is black, not the other way around.
September 4, 2025 @ 1:03 am
The thing with liars is that the truth will catch up eventually.
September 4, 2025 @ 9:38 am
Could someone please explain to me who Rachel Dolezal is? And why people keep comparing Charley Crockett to her?
September 4, 2025 @ 9:41 am
Rather than wait for a possibly less than thorough explanation, you could take advantage of being connected to the internet and use a search engine.
September 4, 2025 @ 1:13 pm
I’ve been saying this for years. Charley Crockett’s backstory is a legitimate fraud. I’m sure he busked here and there but the character he plays and portrays, his connection to the RGV (which he truly has none – he makes it sound like he’s Freddie Fender), his garb, pretty much everything is a character. He’s a hipster that busked in big cities. He pretends to be a country western cowboy now, because that is whats paying his bills. He is a great performer, but, the persona and fake lore he’s created is getting ahead of itself. The funny part is there are people out there that eat this shit up, and think he is an actual portrayal of a “texas outlaw cowboy” which he is not. Good on Paul for calling out this dude’s buillshit. There is a visit San Antonio ad where he says he’s a relative of Davy Crocket regarding the Alamo – which is patently insane.
September 4, 2025 @ 2:53 pm
I think any fool could see that the Joe Rogan interview he was lying a lot. But you are right it’s the interviewers who should be asking hard questions:
So you say you didn’t wear shoes until you were 10 on Rogan-so did you grow up on section 8 housing, on food stamps? Do you have proof you’re related to Davy Crockett? When you were living on the streets, were you actually just couch surfing as a young man because that’s a different thing. You claim that you lived for a year in Paris and Morocco- if you were so poor, how did you get a passport and afford to travel over there? You say your great great grandmother was prob part mixed Cajun, but does it really feel right to not correct publications like saving country music when they put you on list of black country artists to listen to? So you claim you’re from San Benito but kindergarten through senior year you webt to school in Dallas. Is that right when artists like Omar from Silverado are from South TX and continue to live there and support the community?
Fans and publications need to do more fact checking than just believing a story someone says about themselves. And the crazy thing is once the dallas observer publishes one of the lies then more refutable publications go to Google and use those local gossip bags as sources. Facts are facts tho and I got receipts…
September 4, 2025 @ 8:52 pm
So for the record, a few years ago, I did a deep dive into trying to either verify or refute Charley Crockett’s claim that he is related to Davy Crockett. This included reaching out to Crockett’s camp for comment multiple times. My ultimate conclusion was that I could neither 100% verify, or 100% refute the claim. It’s important to note that Crockett has also recently backed off the claim. I have not seen him mention it in a few years.
As for him being Black or not being Black, nobody ever claimed Crockett was 100% Black. I have listed him with Black country artists, because he is clearly of some mixed race, and I know this not because Charley Crockett has claimed it. I can see it when I’m standing in front of him. Anyone can. The Texas Monthly article where it explains the Black part of his ethnicity is clear. It also states that Crockett himself “identifies as White,” so the people saying he’s making false claims don’t seem to be even taking Crockett’s word for it. I don’t even think Cauthen’s claims have to do with Charley claiming to be Black.
I have run deep investigations exposing the embellished or false back stories on numbers artists, namely Midland, and in part, Jelly Roll. I am more than willing to do that for Crockett too, and have tried. The problem is that nobody can say with 100 proof he has no Black ethnicity, or that there is not some distant strain of his lineage linked to Davy Crockett.
We saw this same situation with Oliver Anthony. Everyone insisted he was an industry plant and was “Astroturfed.” I spent hours and hours looking into it. Oh, his uncle is this, or his brother is that. There was never any validity to any of the claims.
I think we can all agree that Charley Crockett has embellished certain things. The idea that he’s some rich kid that never busked on streets, was never poor, jet setted off to Europe (plenty of poor musicians have made it to Europe to busk) is frankly a lot of wishful thinking. I agree it is dependent on the media to scrutinize these claims, and I have actively done that in Charley Crockett’s case. But I’m telling you, there’s nothing major to report. It’s all out in the open.
September 5, 2025 @ 9:39 am
Trigger – there is something major to report here. Charlie has planted his flag in this authenticity thing. He was right to call out bro country and pop country. No one disagrees with that. Not even Adcock or Cauthen. If the back story has lies throughout it, then the rest of the story is subject to scrutiny as well. We know the dropping out of high school gettin a GED is a lie. We know that he didn’t grow up poor without a father. His grandad and father are both independently wealthy. We know that his grandparents were Highland Park folks one of which was a State Senator. We know from high school yearbook photo that in high school he didn’t look black. We know that neither his father, or paternal grandparents were black. We also know his “half-brother” con artist is fully white. They share the same mother and different fathers according to the story, so we know that there is no African DNA on his mothers side. The truth of the matter is if he had not come up with this fanciful story no one would care what race he is. But since he did, people start looking into it. First and foremost, if he isn’t part black then he is guilty of cultural appropriation and is just another example of the white man exploiting blacks. If he didn’t grow up without a father and poor with no shoes until 10 years old, then he is dragging his Dad’s name through the mud as a deadbeat Dad for no reason. Also he is doing the same thing to his great grandfather and grandmother as according to his story one of them had a child with an African American person and then “raised her as white” with the implication that this was a racist decision by his great grandfather. If these things are untrue they are lies that are disparaging to his family. Further, he is by association getting placed on lists all over with black country artists and that isn’t right and never will be and he has not once stood up and said, I shouldn’t be on this list to give others who deserve it the space. But most importantly, if these things are not true, then the idea that he busked or couch surfed living as a trustafarian in the wild doesn’t really matter at all because what kind of person would lie about their family like this and for what purpose? To sell records? Garbage.
September 5, 2025 @ 6:35 pm
Dan, with all do respect, take a moment and think about all of the time you have spent composing multiple paragraphs long posts about Charley Crockett, who isn’t even a household name (not that it would make much difference if he was). Why does it matter so much to you? There are real problems that affect millions that I doubt you have expended as much energy on. Whether he is “authentic” or not. Why would anyone give more than a cursory fuck? You either like his music or you don’t. Either you think he’s a inauthentic, and that matters to you (why is beyond me), you think he’s inauthentic and you could give a shit, you think he’s authentic, or you couldn’t care less either way. It is hilarious to me the things that people care so much about. Take a breath. Is there something more productive and enjoyable you could do with your limited time? I certainly hope so. It obviously isn’t just you. Many commenters on SCM are similarly obsessed with unimportant things and would benefit from some self reflection, or therapy. There are true problems in the world. Relax.
September 5, 2025 @ 6:36 pm
Due respect, not do respect. Yes, I’m a pedant.
September 5, 2025 @ 6:39 pm
Thank you for taking the time to read all my comments, Dougie! Makes me real proud of the work I’ve done here.
September 5, 2025 @ 6:55 pm
Dan, I did not read them all. I have not even read an entire comment. There is no need, a scan is enough to know that they are all the same thing. I’d gladly buy you a drink and bullshit, if the opportunity ever arises, but in all seriousness, why do you care so much?
September 5, 2025 @ 7:16 pm
I care Doug because I hate lies and especially those who lie for profit. Truth matters in this world. And a man that will run down his family name for a few bucks is a fraud. It’s the opposite of what Texas music is about. Being from Texas, we don’t care if you are a cowboy or a Long Haired Pig Tailed Hippy what we care about is your honest with us about who you are so that we can believe in what you stand up on that stage and tell us. I literally cared nothing about Charley Crockett’s race and loved his music when I believed he was mixed race. I still like his music and think he is a great performer, but his fans deserve to know the truth about him and then decide if it matters to them.
September 5, 2025 @ 8:32 pm
Dan, I also dislike lies and liars. Especially those who lie for profit. Some people’s lies affect people negatively. A few people’s lies affect millions negatively. Therefore, I assume you expend even more time and energy commenting about, for example, our current government, than you do about Charley Crockett. Regardless of someone’s political preference, lies are lies. Charley Crockett’s alleged lies cause minimal, if any, harm compared to say, RFK Jr’s. Again, think about all of the time and energy you have put into makin people aware of the lies that you believe Charley Crockett, a relatively unknown musical artist, has said about his personal history. Why?
September 6, 2025 @ 9:50 am
He Doug, if you haven’t noticed this a country music website and an article about the scrutiny on a particular artist. I don’t comment about politics because what a waste of time it would be to bring politics in here. The people made their choice so it is what it is. We now know where you stand and I’m sorry that you don’t like it but hey democracy, am I right?. You spend the time here in the comments scrutinizing what I say, so why don’t you go solve the world’s problems instead of gobbling my comments all the way to the back of your throat and and asking me why. Why? Because the truth matters. Large or small lies have consequences. If it is such a waste of time go do something else. Also, very revealing that you think it takes a lot of time to write 300 words.
September 6, 2025 @ 12:54 pm
Oy vey! I gave it a shot. I realize that this is a fool’s errand. Only you can be honest with yourself. I was genuinely intrigued with why you cared so much, but it’s run it’s course. Good luck to you in your important work. Oh! I almost forgot. Thank you for pointing out that this us a country music site. I had no idea.
September 4, 2025 @ 3:23 pm
If anything,Clay Walker should be A HUNDRED TIMES MORE FAMOUS,laddie !!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 5, 2025 @ 5:10 am
I get what he’s saying about “pop” country. If it’s not mainstream, then it could be considered an outlaw/punk thing to do. Not traditionally “outlaw” but anytime you buck the norms you’re rebelling against the establishment. Also, there are a lot of country music fans up their own ass about authenticity and it’s pretty ridiculous, and how is Paul fucking Cauthen is supposed to be any kind of judge on country authenticity? By the way, to all the racists spouting off in these comments, Charley’s own race doesn’t even matter. Let’s be honest, the reason we are even talking about this in the first place is because he made a statement defending a black woman.
September 5, 2025 @ 6:56 am
PSA to the SCM readership: Quit parsing these personae & this posturing. Head directly to Cory Cross’s “Don’ Fine,” which just dropped. That is all.
September 5, 2025 @ 10:14 pm
After reading the myriad of comments here. I would like to add my experience with Charley as someone I knew in 2011 in NYC. He was, in fact busking and homeless. My boyfriend at the time met him on the streets . He would come to our house and play music with my boyfriend and fellow other musicians. My boyfriend at the time was obsessed with Gram Parson and The Flying Burrito Brothers. This is the genre of music they would play together. This style, the roots of country and rock mixing together in the late 60’s, along with the fashion of “nudie suits” is not a far stretch to his style now. He was always lovely to be around, with a southern politeness and charm that was refreshing to this Italian Brooklyn girl. His country drawl endearing. He was very authentic and inclusive to everyone around him. Seeming to make sure everyone around him was good and would stand up for those in need. We journeyed to a rainbow gathering in PA that year. Went deep into the woods and lived for a month. He played music with every old road dog, gypsy, dirty kid camp, at the night time fires. Great memories. We have lost touch since then, but I have watched him and his success and am proud of where he is. Remembering him among the many many musicians that came through my home at that time, with the dream…to make it.. and to be honest , I always felt among them all, he would be the one that just might do it. As for the drama of this thread, not really interested in it all… Just gonna say, like the sentiment someone else said here on this thread, with everything going on in the world… lets collectively, remember , music is what is going to get us through mentally the wacky days we are all facing now.. I would like leave on these “notes”, and share one of the songs I loved hearing them play at my house. https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=RCqxq6xqoXI fitting for these times now as well.
September 6, 2025 @ 1:29 pm
Drink anytime CC mentions Waylon or Willie in any press he does. The man of zero substance has run out of rope in all his fabricated stories that all he can do now is turn the mirror back towards the people he so desperately wishes he could be.
September 6, 2025 @ 1:34 pm
Comments are hilarious. I do think charley should just focus on his music and stay off talk shows though. Cauthen should just worry about his own self. Personally i dont really care about how much of his backstory is true. I love alan jackson but i dont really know if his grandad rolled down a toolshed and turned it into a home. Nice song, i dont really care about the other. Charley being related or not related to davey makes no difference to me either. If you dont care for crockett,dont listen to his nusic and dont carry on long paragraphs about him either. Just move along.
September 8, 2025 @ 7:41 am
I think with the whole “they say outlaw is a subgenre of commercial country but bro country is actually a subgenre of outlaw” thing he’s just trying to say that outlaw should be considered the dominant genre and bro/pop country should be seen as an offshoot of the real thing. He’s trying to flip the script on the idea that when someone hears the word “country” the first thing they should think of is radio country and not outlaw country.
I think he picked a complicated way to say “outlaw country is the real deal and pop country is a less authentic offshoot of the real deal.” Unfortunately it’s kind of ambiguous and reads to some people as “pop country is rooted in outlaw country,” but I think I know enough about him to be skeptical that he’d actually hold that opinion.