Outreach Must Be An Imperative of Independent Music
A couple of weeks ago, one of my favorite sites on all of the interweb called Daytrotter made a bold decision. The Illinois-based studio that records and distributes short audio performances with independent artists started charging to access their sessions. All they are asking for this is a measly $2 a month, which I will gladfully hand over for the countless sessions of great music Daytrotter provides, and I would recommend to anyone else that they hand over the $2 as well.
Though Daytrotter’s epicenter is a little more in the indie rock world than mine, they’ve had many excellent independent country and roots bands on there over the years as well. Daytrotter has been a daily stop for me for a long time, and if you keep up with the Saving Country Music news feed in the top right corner, you might’ve seen links to certain Daytrotter sessions as they were posted. As someone struggling to make the bills and keep an independent website running, I can appreciate Daytrotter’s decision to try and help fund their service, and to do so without ads.
But by adding additional clicks between their sessions and potential listeners, and making people pay for the music, however marginal the cost may be, it takes Daytrotter from a position of outreach, to a position of a subscriber service. Unless you already subscribe, no longer will one click get you in front of a band that the radio will likely never play, and that may be too far away for you to go see live.
When it was announced a while back that Clear Channel had fired hundreds of DJ’s in small, regional markets all across the country, a recurring theme I saw in comments on this site and others was “Hey, I’ve got satellite, so it doesn’t matter to me,” or “I don’t listen to that crap on the radio anyway.”
Though all of this might be true, it doesn’t take into consideration the millions of people that do listen to radio because it’s an easy medium to access music through, or how a morning drive DJ in a town can create a strong community relationship with their listeners, be a source for local news and information, and be a forum for local, regional, or independent music. And many times, the smaller the community, the more valuable and important a local-oriented radio station or DJ is.
If you’re reading these very words right now, it is very likely that at some point in your life, you went through a musical awakening. Whether it was from your parents, a good friend, a crazy uncle, a college experience, or a blog you stumbled upon accidentally, at some point, you were exposed to a piece of independent music, and it changed your life. It opened up a whole new world that you would have never known existed if it wasn’t for someone opening that door for you.
Too often I see the sentiment from some independent fans, “People are like sheep, and they’ll eat whatever they’re fed.” As true as that might be, I feel strongly that outreach must be an imperative of independent music. Good music is like good air, good water, or good food. There shouldn’t be judgement when we see someone immersed in the trappings of mainstream corporate culture, there should be sympathy. These people aren’t sheep, they are suffocating, and the beauty of true, honest art is it can breathe fresh air into their lungs, and more importantly, into their life.
And outreach may be more important than ever, with all popular music coalescing into one big mono-genre, and with public schools slashing music programs and art appreciation, and local-based media falling to national syndication.
Certainly all music is not for everyone, and some people unfortunately are probably just unreachable; too programmed to ever give anything they’re not familiar with, or fed by mainstream culture a chance. But independent music cannot be proud of its exclusivity, or create “scene” requirements that make it difficult for outreach to occur. As long as new fans come with an open mind, an open heart, and an honest appreciation for the music, and as long as sustainability always remains a priority over sheer numbers, there is little threat.
And sometimes taste and understanding is what gets in the way of reaching out to someone. You don’t have to give them a crash course on your very specific music tastes. It could be as simple as handing a high school kid an old Rolling Stones record that could completely reset their musical perspective and open their eyes.
But what we can’t do is put fences around the music we love, or mock the have-nots. Right now in society, good music is scarce. And what happens when a commodity becomes scarce? People tend to hoard it, get possessive of it. And if it becomes too scarce, people will fight over it. To counter this all-too familiar theme of human behavior, we have to be open with good music, give it away if necessary. And then not only will we have the music to make us feel good, but we can feel good about giving it to someone else as well.
November 12, 2011 @ 1:57 pm
Wow Trig. This may be (for me) the best article you have written.
For me I’ve had the great pleasure of learning of “underground” (not my term, hate it but true term. I prefer real ) acts from you and from XXX and the open mind to follow links that that both open up and the links that are opened from there. Does not make me smarter than the mainstream music fan, just fortunate to have good information as Im a music fan, but had switched to sports talk radio and old cds of the legends. I had no idea that music that spoke to me was still accessible.
So what am I doing to pass this music around? I understand that not everyone I know is going to like everything I like. Random videos posted on facebook, not just on wall but there are FB groups that are into real (mostly older) country music where I think I can reach a larger audience. Twitter is nice for keeping up with artist you like, but it just works different. As far as personal life, just exposing those around me to the artist I like. Not everyone is going to like Hank III, that does not mean they wont like the other artist I listen to. My best friend grew up in Detroit. Mowtown and M jackson were his favorites when we met over 17 years ago. Since then he has become a huge fan of the real country “Outlaws” and classic country as a whole, but still loves the pop sound. Ive now got him into Shooter Jennings, Powder Mill, Hellbound Glory, and his favorite so far is Imperial Rooster.
Point being exposure is the key. Radio is dead (maybe not be dead, just keeps beating a dead horse). Word of mouth passes slowly but thats how its gotta start in this post radio world.
November 12, 2011 @ 4:20 pm
I live in a small town where knowledge of independent music is severely lacking. I’ve been doing my best to change that by exposing my friends to lesser known musicians. I let my best friend borrow my copy of JTE’s record The Goog Life and he loved it. He let his girlfriend, who works at the local radio station, listen to it and she ended up putting his song Lone Pine Hill on the radio and apparently people called in and asked who it was because they liked it so much.
November 12, 2011 @ 6:48 pm
I have always been supportive of independent music, and movies for that matter, but in country music these days, it is not just about good music, it’s about politics, if you are not a tea party ass kissing, obama is muslim, dixie chicks are sluts, gun packin’ red neck, than many country fans WILL TUNE YOU OUT!!
EXAMPLE 1: at the cma awards the little hank jr, gag with brad paisley and carrie underwood.. the whole audience howled with laughter, if they had done the same gag,
with the dixie chicks, and bush back in 2003? BRAD AND CARRIE’S CAREERS WOULD HAVE BEEN DESTROYED!!!
EXAMPLE 2. DUANE ALLEN of the oak ridge boys, posted on his website, that since don’t ask don’t tell was repealed, if he was a soldier, in a fox hole, he would SHOOT AND KILL A GAY SOLDIER, IF HE TRIED TO TOUCH HIS JUNK…
TOTALLY shocked, I went to GAC, CMT, AND Country weekly’s face book pages, and posted duane allen’s statements, and the country fans were sticking up for daune allen saying that, and then all cmt, gac, and cw, pulled the post down, and none of the editors, hosts like stormy warren, either blocked me, shut down their pages, to avoid commenting to gay fans, or just ignored me.
I could give more examples, but why? my point? the majority of country fans are right wing loons, and they love people who are with the big establishments and kiss nashville’s suit’s ass.. RASCAL FLATTS, Toby Kieth, carrie underwood, jason aldean, it doesn’t matter…
you say shawn toby said he was not a republican? so does joe liebermann , the so called Independent of conn… you see the rednecks do not want nashville to open up… so the suits, and singers who support them, the artist can be gop or not, but as long as a big corp. nashville has all these singers in their back pockets, then the country tea baggers will support them…
now incomes people like , rachel brook, joe buck, hell bound glory, shooter and hank 3, reguardless of their political beliefs, many gop country fans look at outlaw, and independent artists as liberal hippies, who want to destroy nashville, and that is how they think.. so no matter how hard you try many country fans WILL NEVER GIVE indie artist a chance and open up… now this next generation of young country fans, who are more open minded, if the indie artist can hang on until they start buying their own music… arms will start opening up, and hopefully the independent artist will finally have their chance to be heard.
November 12, 2011 @ 7:15 pm
Y’know, I’ve been accused of some crazy stuff for being a Republican, but I think this is the first time I’ve been blamed for the state of country music. Damn, it’s refreshing to be called something other than a racist for the first time in months.
November 12, 2011 @ 9:01 pm
I’m pretty sure Ricky Skaggs is a Republican, so that should give you a little cover.
November 14, 2011 @ 7:23 am
LOL @Sabra ..It’s not your fault,it’s racist GEORGE BUSH’S FAULT!!
Maybe we should do the liberal thing and occupy Nashville.We can call ourselves the 1 percenters who want real country music then rape,riot and crap everywhere for months at a time on Music Row.Oh and we gotta bring drums to beat on too,(it’s just not the same without the drums as you’re shitting on a cop car) That will work! We’ll all be respected and CHANGE will come!!!!!!
November 12, 2011 @ 11:18 pm
Shawn,
I do think there is some truth to what you’re saying. I think more so now than any other time except maybe the Merle Haggard “Okie From Muskogee” era, country music is closely associated with a political ideology. It is part of the greater culture war, which has divided us equally between two parties, two super genres (country and hip-hop), and two ways of life (urban & rural). I’m not sure if the venom against anything perceived to be liberal exists to the extent you are talking about, but then again I don’t spend a lot of time hanging on mainstream message boards, which I can only imagine are chock full of trolls and general idiots.
I’ll will say that I have been told a curious amount of times, on articles and other places to “go back to watching Fox News,” even though as you may have noticed, it is a focus of mine to keep Saving Country Music as apolitical as possible, and only bring politics up when it is very specifically necessary to a story or topic. I also don’t have cable, so it’s impossible to watch Fox News.
The spirit of this article was to NOT look and judge why other people may not be into non-corporate music, but to look at ourselves, and make sure we are not being elitist with OUR tastes and behavior.
If political ideology is something that is keeping people from independent music, then maybe we should understand that, and try to figure out how to communicate that this music isn’t about politics (Steve Earle and James McMurtry aside).
November 13, 2011 @ 1:39 pm
Even as political as Steve Earle’s music is, it is fantastic, and always has been. That’s why I’ve been a lifelong fan, even though our politics are polar opposites.
But you’re right to say that we shouldn’t let politics color things. I can’t guess what party most of my favorites from the Red Dirt scene vote for (no one believes it anymore, but a large number of Texans are Democrats). And I happen to have quite a few liberal-leaning friends who are fans of mainstream country music.
November 12, 2011 @ 7:21 pm
I talk up Texas country so much I have probably annoyed the living daylights out of a number of my friends. That said, I got my mother-in-law into Hayes Carll and an online friend (in Vermont, of all places!) into Bleu Edmondson, and with luck that will be the open door for the latter (my mother-in-law already listens to some independent music, part of what makes her the greatest MIL ever).
I am listening to non-mainstream country music right now because of outreach. I’d heard some of it here and there on Pandora ’cause I’m a big Steve Earle fan and Pandora thinks Cross Canadian Ragweed is a lot like him, and years ago heard Pat Green on very late at night in Virginia…then a couple of years ago a guy I knew sent me the link to KFWR when my local classic country station was airing weekend talk shows. I not only thanked him for broadening my horizons, I married him. (And yeah, the music plays/ed a huge part in our relationship.)
I’m firmly convinced that if you spin Jason Boland for anyone without a tin ear, they’ll be converted.
November 12, 2011 @ 9:05 pm
Big Steve Earle fan AND a Republican? You must not have gotten the memo. 🙂
November 13, 2011 @ 1:41 pm
He’s a barking moonbat. But he’s GOOD, even when it comes to the political songs I don’t agree with. I just make a point of not reading his interviews too often. 😉
November 12, 2011 @ 9:36 pm
please read my post… I said it doesn’t matter what polical party you belong to… even republicans who are independent , will be treated as liberal hippies, go to any big nashville based message board, ANY, and the fans will be trashing the small indie artist… Many conservative country fans, DO NOT LIKE INDIE ARTIST, NOT LIBERAL STEVE EARLE, OR REPUBLICAN RICKY SCAGGS.. THE GOP FANS, NOT ME, but the gop country fans clump all indie artists as pot smoking liberal hippies. conservatives HATE INDIE MUSIC ARTIST, MOVIES, AND ALL ENTERTAINMENT, THAT IS SMALL AND FREE THINKING…. the big establishment even the democrats like tim mggraw and faith hill, countr gop fans like them because, the work for big corp, nashville…
it’s the conservative way of life always support big business over the little guy.. always… look at occupy wall street, willie nelson was there, steve earle was there, merle haggard was, there.. YOU KNOW THE little guys… were was CARRIE UNDERWOOD? TOBY KEITH? TRACE ADKINS? RASCAL FLATTS, REBA? FAITH HILL? WHERE WERE THEY????
come on republicans where are they?? their big record company bosses like sony, capitol, and epic, would be pissed off if their puppets went down and help protested with the 99% of REAL AMERICANS FIGHTING FOR THE LITTLE GUY!!! you know the common folk.. all country artists are supposed to be for the average american… BULL SHIT!!! big corp. nashville won’t let their little puppets protest against them…
SO AGAIN TO ALL YOU POSTERS WHO NEED TO BUY GLASSES.. READ, DO YOU KNOW WAHT THAT MEANS??? R..E…A….D… MY post. DUHHHHH! I said it does not matter what political party any singer belongs to the racist gop country fans look at all big label singers as safe players they can listen too… when it comes to independent recording artist.. NO MATTER WHAT THEIR POLITICAL BELIEFS ARE… RE READ, RE READ, RE READ, THANK YOU!!!!!
These right loon fans will clump them together as liberal hippies trying to destroy country music… it is sad but true… if any of you cannot read a post and understand it, then you are one of the inbred conservatives i was talking about and you neede to go back to school and LEARN HOW TO READ!!!!! THANK YOU!
November 13, 2011 @ 6:28 am
No, I’m not going re-read your post. I understood it just fine. My comments were directed solely towards Sabra, whose initial comment I found funny. And I found it refreshing that there’s a Republican out there that’s into Steve Earle. Your overheating, insulting comments are way out of line, in my opinion. I need to learn how to read? Inbred conservative? Come on.
November 12, 2011 @ 9:38 pm
AND I KNOW I SPELLED THINGS WRONG, BUT WHEN YOU ARE TYPING FAST, AND MAD AS HELL, WELL YA SCREW UP… so please stick to the topic, THANK YOU!
November 12, 2011 @ 10:14 pm
Shawn I think you need your Obamacare paid for med’s and relax.
November 12, 2011 @ 11:20 pm
Alright folks, let’s please not let this comments section descend into some political battle royale. Politics may be a small element here as Shawn is trying to point out, but let’s try to stay on topic.
November 13, 2011 @ 2:23 am
. . . and the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I’ve said it before: I’d rather be poor and happy than rich and miserable. As far as the independent music spin, I think I’m evolving with it. Corporate radio just found a more lucrative way of spoonfeeding mainstream radio, that will save them money and still offer up the same program. The suits will always control the airwaves. It’s a business.
I don’t label myself politcally. I like some things from both sides of the parties, and just saying I’m liberal doesn’t define me. Any kind of change takes courage, initially, but the motives behind that change is what should probably be questioned if you want to see what the change is all about. I agree that independents need outreach if they want to grow. But I rather doubt most independents want to be sucked into anything remotely reminiscent of Corporate Nashville. So there you go. The line is drawn. POP country on one side, REAL country on the other. Guess it’s time to go to the polls.
November 13, 2011 @ 7:40 am
Since I have started hosting my show every Friday night, here on Saving Country Music Live, I have received so many emails. Most of them from local friends, people I went to school with, and family. All of whom listen to local radio. All of them telling me I turned them on to a hole new style of music. I got to tell you there is no greater feeling, to know that you changed someones outlook on music. I wish I could share these emails with all of you. To me it gives me a reason to keep on fighting the good fight. To keep broadcasting on a Friday night, instead of taking the kids some where.
Now to touch on this political aspect. If a band has a political message, either way, it doesn’t bother me. I am secure enough in my beliefs that I am not threatened by others beliefs. I would never discount any music, for such a shallow reason.
November 13, 2011 @ 9:22 am
This is one of the best articles that I have read, all year. I am the music content editor of an online publication called “Independent Music and Media” and this is the message that I have been promoting since before I even started it. It is so refreshing to see that someone else has stood up to say this, as I thought I was alone in this thinking.
So I totally agree with you on outreach being important.
I also agree with Nathan38401 that “exposure is the key. Word of mouth passes slowly but that’s how its gotta start in this post radio world.”
Thanks for the insight.
Ced 1
Music Content Editor
Independent Music and Media
Twitter: @IndMusicMedia
Facebook: IndMusicMedia
November 13, 2011 @ 10:25 am
“But what we can”™t do is put fences around the music we love, or mock the have-nots. Right now in society, good music is scarce. And what happens when a commodity becomes scarce? People tend to hoard it, get possessive of it. And if it becomes too scarce, people will fight over it. To counter this all-too familiar theme of human behavior, we have to be open with good music, give it away if necessary. And then not only will we have the music to make us feel good, but we can feel good about giving it to someone else as well.”
I don’t know if I think good music is scarce…I think good music on the scale that most people have come to accept is the scale music must operate on is scarce. But I for one in the past few years have had ample opportunity to come in contact with smaller or more local acts that have “wowed” me.
Even national acts can be “local” if they adopt that model of behavior. So with this in mind, I say “great article” Trig! Power to the people and local does it. Outreach in every aspect is necessary now in these troubled times. And the most important thing to keep in mind is to not let ego get in the way of something great. No one can go it alone. It simply isn’t possible. So uniting in effort and coming together in community is the only way to make it happen. When ego or greed gets in the way, people – and the music – suffer.
Maybe my comments are too political in nature but let me summarize by saying this: music is a gift and should be looked at as something that can be exchanged between people. Shame on anyone who tries to turn it into a marketable commodity where access is restricted and limited to a select few. There are many devices within our contemporary society that limit access for many. I applaud those of you who put your actions where your mouth is and attempt to help us expand our community of good music lovers.
November 13, 2011 @ 10:26 am
I stumbled onto this music scene completely on accident. I listened to mostly classic rock and I was always a fan of Johnny Cash, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Hank Williams, Hank Jr., etc. but never liked much new country. I just happened to see Hank3’s straight to hell and bought it on a whim, thinking it might be like some of Bocephus’ early stuff. It was unlike anything I’d ever heard and it truly changed my life. In my search for more music like his I discovered XXX, bloodshot records, Hillgrass Bluebilly, and the triggermans SCM site and it’s been a great ride ever since.
I do not think that politics has that big of a part in what music most people listen to. Not in my age bracket, anyway. As a part of the 20-something crowd, my biggest selling point to my friends for real country music is that it has balls. It’s kind of like finding someone who’s heard nothing but Creed their whole lives and handing them a Pantera album. I’m not saying that all music has to use vulgar language to be relevant. My favorite artists have always drawn me in by being edgy and sometimes dark but always have enough soul to touch me and leave a lasting impression. What I am saying is with all the sappy watered down shit that’s being played on the radio and CMT, people are hungry for something with a little kick. I think that’s why so many southern white guys turn to the hip hop culture. They’d rather be associated with Jay-Z than Keith Urban, and I guess I can’t really blame them. There are so many country music fans out there who haven’t heard a country song they really liked in decades so they just moved on to other genres of music.
I play this great music of ours to anyone who’s willing to listen. I already have a good friend of mine (metalhead) converted to real country, plus my wife who enjoys it so much she is now planning our trip to muddy roots next year. “Good music is like good air, good water, or good food” and everyone has a right to it. Keep spreading the word. Brilliant and much needed article, Triggerman!
November 13, 2011 @ 10:29 am
@Nathan: “Point being exposure is the key. Radio is dead (maybe not be dead, just keeps beating a dead horse). Word of mouth passes slowly but thats how its gotta start in this post radio world.”
I am not sure if this is true…we have a few local public radio stations and college radio stations here in Dayton that have shows on weekly that play AMAZING music. My boyfriend is a master at figuring out when these are on and whenever I’m in the car, I try to tune in and support them. Between podcasts and internet radio and these local stations with more progressive and non-commercial formats, I think radio may still have a future. It just won’t take the form we remember…
and again…it will look “local”…not big and corporate….Thank God. 🙂
November 13, 2011 @ 11:36 am
We should do a new promotion…in supermarkets. Buy a pack of bacon and get a free CD. This ”scene” popularity is gonna explode!!!!
November 13, 2011 @ 2:46 pm
Another great example that i forgot to mention, when Johnny Cash was on a big record label, Johnny Cash sold in country music hugely well. In the late 80’s when Johnny Cash was fired from his record label, he switched to Rick Ruben and an independent record label. Johnny Cash’s album sales among country fans plummeted, and radio stations quit playing his music. Country music fans where like Johnny Cash was under hippy liberal Rick Ruban, he sold out. Just because Johnny Cash switched to an independent record label, country fans quit buying his music.
Only when Johnny Cash was getting ready to die in the last 6 months of his life, they feel sorry for him, and his man comes around album, so see it does matter to a lot of country fans, weather or not you are big corporate Nashville, or the independent record label. Fans will think you sold out, if you go to an independent record label. It did not matter what Johnny Cash’s political beliefs where, the country fans turned their back on him because he went to an independent record label. Point proven.
November 13, 2011 @ 5:59 pm
Again, I think it’s a good point, but I think you might be taking it to the extreme. By the time Cash had made it to the Rick Rubin years, the radio wasn’t playing his music anyway, and hadn’t been for years. That was one of the reasons behind The Highwaymen, to give support to those four legacy artists that were being forgotten. I’ve never thought of Rick Rubin as a political figure. However Cash, who was for prisoner’s rights, Native American rights, and who had some comments that could be construed as anti-war, could easily be construed as a liberal, at least on some issues.
November 14, 2011 @ 12:30 am
good points triggerman, but I still think it will be these new country fans, this young generation coming up, that will give these smaller artist the shots they deserve… can you explain, why the majority of country fans who say the want real country music.. why don’t they buy dirt daubers? rachel brooke? every artist that you and other writers, of scm, I head straight to amazon, come payday and order these cds… this is how much i respect your opinions, i want real traditional country music, and I buy it thanks to you… why doesn’t cmt and gac cover these people? and why do many country artist who have a computer don’t buy these artists? people can find out so much information on the internet.. sooner or later they are going to come across these great artists. but yet they refuse to buy their music… WHY?
MAYBE not alot of people on this website, but to get off track abit, I have a youtube channel that supports the artists you cover, XXX music, and small independent movies… so many people pass up great movies like 28 days later,
JANE EYRE, spanish movie, made by a liberal director.
the TREE OF LIFE. father and son relationship, great story, geat acting, great movie.. the director was liberal, the film audiences went for the loud popcorn movie.
many people don’t see the small movies, because, they think tranformers 3, blows these movies away, no, it’s because these movies are small and independent art house films, and people today think of these movies as liberal propaganda, put out by pot smoking hippies… sorry there may not be on this web site, but as I say go to the oak ridge boys web site and see what I mean… the way I describe these people is not extreme, but the truth,… they refuse to buy any thing from an independent record label because, they think these labels are wild, I mean really the majority of the cds I buy from your recommendations and XXX. like bob wayne, says the F- BOMB In just about every song, hell bound glory, f-bombs, scott h. biram.. f-bombs, hank 3, big time f-bombs, black diamond heavies, f-bombs,
not all artist do, but i am surprised as alot and I do mean alot of these artist featured here and on XXX, use very strong language, and sing about overdosing on drugs and when the GOP country fans see this what do they think?
carrie underwood doewnot use the f-bomb, rascal flats, does not, toby keith does not, trace adkins does not , reba does not, you MAIN STREAM COUNTRY MUSIC,is family values. shooter jennings on his putting the o back in country, getting rid of all the GOD— DAMN TREES, yeah all these little independent artist are vulgar!!! country msuic is supposed to be family values, why I but these immoral filthy singers are LIBERALS!!! you don’t see main stream people cussing on their cds like that, so these wild ass indie artist are liberals trying to destroy FAMILY VALUED COUNTRY MUSIC, ROY ACUFF WOULD BE SPINNING IN HIS GRAVE!!!
I have heard these exact words on 7 different country music message boards, and no one listens to me.. I try to tell people, this is not a liberal movement and they call me a crazy liberal!!! so yeah my post is really not that extreme, it is more the truth than ever… these indie artist do not offend me when the f bomb is dropped, but the GOP MAJORITY of country fans do, singing about hookers, whores, dropping f-bombs, overdosing on drugs, saying pot is fun, YEAH I AM SORRY, I did go abit extreme I guess,
why would the majority of mainstream country fans considered independent artist who do all that stuff to be liberal? yeah silly me!! TRUST ME I am not trying to make trigger or anyone mad, I like the people here, but seriously folks, what would you think of these people, if you were a mainstream country fan?? many mainstream country fans have a computer, finding artists mentioned here sooner or later is not going to be hard to find, and like me, when I hear the dirt daubers , I am going to start listening to many more of the artists that are covered here, and then the majority of them will run with their hands over their ears praying for forgiveness.
Again I am not trying to piss trigg or the other people who run this site off.. I love this site, like I said, thanks to you and xxx I buy the majority of my cds, by your recommendations.. but say my posts are extreme? well we all are entitled to our own opnions… really mainstream country fans DO GO BY POLITICAL, BELIEFS, WHEN going to see movies, buy music, or read books, there are alot of people like me, trigger man and fans on this site that do not!! and you are the people I cheer for!! thank god there a few of us who use our brains, are open minded and are willing to give good artists from independent labels a chance…
just do not expect it from this generation of mainstream country fans.. reagan, bush sr. and roy acuff teaching nixon to yo yo.. branded mainstream country music as republican country.. DON’T believe me, then I DARE ANY ONE on this website to buy bo wayne’s current cd, take it and play it for the country main stream fans, and instead of them saying, wow, great music… THEY WILL SAY, get that filthy music, off my i pod or cd player!!! country music is supposed to be family values!!! get that LIBERAL FILTH OUT of my cd player!!. it’s happened to me 27 times with different artsist for different friends through out the past 10 years, I have been trying to open up to these indie artist, oh they get into dirt daubers, but then they want more, so they start looking and listening on websites like these, and guess what their final judgement is 10 TIMES OUT OF 10.. well I guess I am going too extreme again, right? sigh… just my opinion folks that’s all. have a nice day.
November 14, 2011 @ 3:37 pm
Complaining about people not buying these independent artists cds isn’t exactly a good argument. It took me a few months to find this site after I stopped listening to pop country. I was getting disgusted with the music on the radio and when Dirt Road Anthem came out I stopped listening to it all together. I stumbled across SCM in the middle of the summer and it wasn’t until then that I had heard of most of these artists. I think that a lot of mainstream country fans are sick of the direction Nashville’s going. I know that at first a lot of my friends really liked Dirt Road Anthem and they didn’t believe me when I told them it was complete garbage, but after the radio started playing another Colt Ford song they agreed with me that both songs were terrible. However, when I showed them Bob Wayne they said it was too redneck. I showed the same friend’s Whitey Morgan and the 78’s and they thought it was awesome. So it’s really just a matter of personal taste.
And on a side note, I’m pretty conservative on most things, but I could give a damn what an artists politics are. I’m not gonna call anyone a hippy just cuz they smoke pot. When I hear good music with good lyrics I’ll listen. There’s things that politics have nothing to do with. Of course there are politically driven songs, but if you disagree with the message don’t listen. It’s as simple as that. My parents would never listen to Bob Wayne or Hank3 for the reason that they cuss in virtually every song. I showed them Working Man though and they did like it. So cut out the cussing and older conservative folks will listen. But don’t blame them for not liking it when people cuss. It’s how they were raised and it’s what they believe.
November 14, 2011 @ 1:29 am
Oh and BTW. Before anyone says, they can read the explicit warning label and avoid those albums. Trust me with a few exceptions, and powder mills which puts a warning label on the back of their CD. The majority of CD’s of indie artist that i have bought from the recommendation of this website, and xxx, over 40 and counting the majority of CD’s which is over half that i have, that have explicit language, like Bob Wayne’s, have no warning label what so ever. And also let’s give credit to the mainstream country fans for totally slamming the hell out of Shania Twain for showing her belly button, it was the rock fans who made her, and let’s not forget how the mainstream country fans just threw their arms around Garth Brooks for singing a spousal abuse song, the thunder rolls. A K I S S song called fever, again, it was rock fans who made that, while mainstream country music fans where calling Garth, and Shania the devil especially poor Shania.
So to think mainstream country fans would be excepting of indie country artist who drop the F bomb, i don’t think so. And Triggerman, BTW If radio did not stop playing Johnny Cash because he went to Rick Ruban, why did he do the ol middle finger salute to all of Nashville industry, radio, and country music? And just for the record, CMT refused to play Delia’s gone on their channel, when it first came out, it was the rock fans, and MTV that made Johnny Cash in the 90’s country music had dumped him because of the move.
November 14, 2011 @ 4:02 pm
If you read Triggerman’s reply to your other comment about Cash, you’ll see that he explains radio dumped him long before he went to Rubin. They dumped him because he got old and didn’t change with the times (and thank God for that). Country-pop really began to predominate in the 1980s. Cash had 28 top 40 (country) hits in the 1970s, and 4 in the 1980s. Rubin and Cash didn’t start working together until the 1990s. While it’s true that Cash had 0 charted songs in that decade, it would take a serious misunderstanding of chronology to assume his decline in mainstream popularity was tied to his association with Rubin.
November 14, 2011 @ 2:30 pm
“if it becomes too scarce, people will fight over it.”
So let’s make it less scarce.
If there is music you love, performed by “not famous” artists, I encourage everyone reading to consider, no – to TRY, hosting a House Concert. You’d be amazed how easy and rewarding and freakin’ cool it is, and the level of artistry that you can expose yourself and your friends to is impressive.
If this is something you think might be fun, I’m an advocate – email me at pumphouseconcerts@gmail.com
this is not an ad………I just find this sort of thing to be one of the most rewarding things in my life, and think maybe you will too. There can never be enough live music!
Smitty
November 14, 2011 @ 6:09 pm
I think a lot of mainstream country fans don’t like the independent and underground stuff, not for any political reason and not because they haven’t been exposed to it, but rather because they don’t actually like country music. They live in small midwest towns and they like boys and girls in tight wranglers and they watch what CMT and GAC tells them is country so they grow up thinking they are country fans, but they absolutely are not. I know this because my ex was exactly that way and so were all her friends. We lived in a small Nebraska town and trust me, that place was the very definition of ‘country’ but none of them actually liked the music. They hated any hint of twang, they hated fiddles, they hated steel guitar, they hated banjo. They wanted pop and rock music played by people wearing cowboy hats and jeans. I swear I coulda played them the good stuff all day and they would have hated every second of it. Mainstream country music listeners don’t want to listen to the indie stuff because the indie stuff actually is country and they hate the distinguishing features that make country music what it is.
Personally I think the fans of true country music are going to come from fans of other genres. I can say this about myself as I was never a fan of CMT country, I hated that crap, I was totally into metal, and not just the mainstream metal, but the underground black metal bands, Burzum, Mayhem, Xasthur, etc. That’s who people need to go for, the people who already are buying music they can’t hear on radio or tv, the people that already are buying cds from little distros online or even directly from the bands themselves. Forget about the mainstream country music fans, they just want pop and rock music that has a ‘country look’. If they can’t just go buy it at Walmart and it doesn’t sound exactly like what all their friends are listening to, they aren’t going to want it. If it’s ‘twangy’ if it has fiddles or slide guitar or banjo they don’t want it. I lived right in the middle of those people, they were just pop music fans who happened to like cowboy hats.
November 15, 2011 @ 2:03 am
synthpaper, very good post. I totally agree with, it was rock fans that bought the first 3 rick ruebin albums and made them hits for johnny cash. NOT COUNTRY MAIN STREAM FANS… You bring up some great points about metal music, which is why I am behind shooter jennings doing black ribbons, and hank 3 doing ass jack, bring in the fans to country this way… yes you also know what it is like being around main stream country fans… describing them, you hit it right on the nose!! great post!!