Quit Releasing Music Via The Short-Form EP
The only greater disservice an artist or a label can do to the music they’ve worked so hard on and put so much love into than releasing it on an EP, is to release it on a four-song EP. You want to bury music and relegate it to the also-ran of your discography and have Wikipedia page editors and everyday fans give you quizzical looks? Release an EP randomly because for some ill-begotten reason you believe it’s the best way to present your music to independent roots fans despite the incredible, time-tested, certifiable and undisputed evidence that it’s about the worst thing you can do.
Go ahead and tell yourself that the album concept is irrelevant and outmoded and that it’s all about singles and streams on Spotify now so it doesn’t really matter how you release music. But we’re not talking about the latest Ke$ha single or some Sam Hunt abomination. I don’t give a shit what’s going on in the mainstream or what you just read in Spin Magazine about how the traditional LP is dead. In independent country and Americana, and in a lot of independent music, the album concept is still King. And from the vantage of someone who unhealthily pours over stats and obsesses over trends, I can say with confidence that the short form EP is a bad move nearly every time it is played.
Without the benefit of radio or the biggest Spotify playlists, independent artists must rely on tools such as the traditional album review and the artist interview—where the focus is on the narrative behind an artist’s music—as well as all of those annoying end-of-year lists, to get their name out into the greater consciousness. There is just not enough meat on the bones of a three or four-song EP to allow any sort of narrative to develop. And in a crowded musical marketplace, there are just too many stories, and too much music to pay attention to for half efforts or half measures to take hold. That is why fair or not, EP’s are systemically relegated to the also-ran of music.
Furthermore, releasing music via the short-form EP takes an artist and their project out of contention for industry Awards such as the Grammys, and news-making chart performances via Billboard and other mainstream institutions that are some of the most lucrative avenues for independent artists to find mainstream-level recognition and have national and international impact. There is no scenario we’re a three or four-song EP can substantially benefit an independent artist. Perhaps as a mainstream play to create buzz for a newer artist, the EP is a possibility. But even this theory is strained at best when put into practice music wilds.
Even worse, by releasing a short EP, an artist expends dry powder with journalists, publicists, and the public alike for attention in the crowded marketplace that could otherwise be used to promote a full-length project in the future. Releasing and EP, including, if not especially, as the precursor to a new LP—and most certainly if those EP songs will be included on the new LP—only puts you at a disadvantage to getting your music in front of people.
Take for example this new Margo price four-song EP called Weakness. Roots music media and the public is tirelessly looking for a woman artist to place beside Sturgill Simpson, Jason Isbell, and Chris Stapleton on the Mount Rushmore of the current country music insurgency. Margo Price in many ways could be perfect for that role. She has the critical acclaim, and she has the grassoots support. But what she doesn’t have is a commercial victory that could prove resonance beyond the quaint independent music community.
No, sales are not always a barometer of quality. In fact the opposite is usually the case. But it is chart performances that have proven over the last few years that if given a chance, independent music can thrive or even surpass mainstream music as a commercial enterprise, allowing more support to flow to independent artists via the industry.
The sophomore album from Margo Price was supposed to be the vehicle for her big breakout—her Metamodern moment if you will. Instead the chatter surrounding Margo Price’s new music is marginal at best, while her album sales are insignificant. Her debut Midwest Farmer’s Daughter debuted at #10 on Billboard’s Country Albums chart. This caused even more attention to flow to her music, even though the physical sales were only 4,000. Since then Midwest Farmer’s Daughter has sold over 50,000 units. Where is the Weakness EP? It didn’t even register in the Top 50 of Billboard’s Country Albums chart.
Perhaps when Margo does release her full-length sophomore album, this EP misstep will be looked upon as marginal or insignificant. Margo Price fans and those rooting for independent music can only hope this is the case. But why run the risk? Are fans bellyaching on Twitter that it’s been too long since new music? Are you are worried you won’t be able to write enough new material for a full-length for a while and you might lose momentum? Fuck that, you are Margo Price. Don’t take the cake out of the oven until the toothpick comes out clean. Sometimes the best thing an artist can do with their music is bless it with their patience. No step is better than a misstep in the morass of too much music at the fingertips of consumers, which is where we stand in music today. There’s too many opportunities for fans to become fickle and move on from an artist to the next hot thing.
There are opportunities when the EP concept isn’t just called for, but is just about perfect for releasing new music. In fact just in 2017 we’ve seen numerous examples of where this is the case. Lindi Ortega’s EP Til’ The Goin Gets Gone about her exit from Nashville is an excellent example of where a full-length album would have been too much time spent on a dedicated subject. Jamie Wyatt’s Felony Blues is a good example of when you have seven great songs, don’t test fate by trying to fluff it out to 10 because of some arbitrary measure of how long an album should be. But these are longer form EP’s that still allow a narrative to develop behind the music and the artist.
Lydia Loveless put out a five-song Boy Crazy EP a couple of years ago that really worked because of the cohesiveness of the material, and how it compartmentalized material that wouldn’t fit on a regular album from her. At times the EP can be very effective, but those times makeup maybe 5% – 10% of releases, and usually when there is a specific concept behind them, and either an artist is still early in their career, or their established enough to take the risk. Still, they tend to be commercial flops. The Brother Brothers’ 2017 EP Tugboats might be one of the best releases of the year. But good luck getting folks to pay attention to it, because it’s an EP.
Parker McCollum just released a four-song EP called Probably Wrong: Session One that is suffering a similar fate. In the case of Parker, it appears he’s going to release a second EP and eventually release a full-length with all of the music together. Interesting concept, but you’re tasking the public and the media to pay attention to you three times instead of once, when there are so many other artists out there vying for attention as well. With so much music to talk about and listen to, so many albums being released every week, all the music at our fingertips thanks to streaming services, there’s just not enough time to pay attention to an artist three times instead of once in a calendar year.
It’s pretty astounding how often you see the EP concept misused in independent music, and consistently to subpar results. Often the EP is where an artist’s career begins and ends, because it’s just so much harder to get the press and the public to pay attention to them, for a host of reasons that are ingrained into listening habits of independent country and roots fans, fair or not.
It’s no offense to these artists or their music. In the case of Margo Price, Parker McCollum, and The Brother Brothers, these EP’s include maybe some of the best music released in independent country and roots this year. But nobody is listening.
There is no more important moment for an artist’s career than when they release an album, at least in independent music. That means you must pack a punch, push all of your chips in the middle of the table, and put every resource behind the purpose of bursting through the din of music and information being forced down consumer’s throats via social media and other channels, and task them to pay attention. This is your big moment. Don’t blow it by parsing out your music in bite size chunks that will get trampled under foot by all the other information flowing out through media, bust through with a big project and a proper media push that puts you on as many people’s radar as possible.
There is a reason all the most successful projects slavishly adhere to the tried-and-true rules of how to release an album. As boring and unimaginative as it may be, it is the most effective way to give music the greatest opportunity to succeed. You get no style points for releasing music in an unconventional manner. You just get ignored just like the vast vast majority of four-song EP’s.
This opinion is offered constructively, with the intent to help the cause of independent music, and is autonomous from the opinions of the music found on the EP’s themselves. It is also from somebody who has excruciatingly studied and obsessed over how certain artists rise, why certain artists fall or get overlooked, and what is most effective for pushing the career of an artist forward.
August 8, 2017 @ 9:39 am
Also try to avoid the albums less than 10 tracks. Unless your songs are epic in length it can feel like you’re charging album price for an extended EP.
August 9, 2017 @ 12:31 am
Surely it’s quality that counts, not quantity? I’d rather have 9 or less GOOD tracks than a longer album stuffed with filler!
August 8, 2017 @ 9:42 am
Good take. Lots of metal bands put out EP’s when they can’t afford to record a full-length. That’s just about the only common case I see — unsigned bands that don’t have the money to record a record but desperately need SOMETHING to sell to fans, hand out to club owners etc.
August 8, 2017 @ 10:09 am
Yup spot on. I’m putting out 6 at the end of the year cause that’s all I can afford. I’d love to do a full length record but I can’t right now. I could wait til I can but I need to put something out.
August 8, 2017 @ 10:09 am
I can’t really speak for the metal world because I’m not dialed in enough to know how effective or ineffective the EP is. But what I can say is that unsigned or not, if you truly want to devote your life to making music, you find a way to record a full-length album regardless of the financial restrictions. You sacrifice, you take a second job, you stop spending $400/mo. on weed. You do what you have to do because it’s your dream. EP’s get buried and will only lend to you being overlooked instead of discovered, at least in independent country/Americana.
August 10, 2017 @ 1:09 pm
Exactly why I recently released my solo album full-length. People questioned it, which is weird to me and asked why I didn’t just put out singles on a streaming site. The 10 songs in themselves are a song. A full-length album was a statement I had to make in totality and I appreciate when others do. Same reason I went ahead and made an 8-panel gatefold complete with lyrics, photos and liner notes. It’s all part of the experience.
August 8, 2017 @ 9:56 am
I saw a documentary on the 50th anniversary of the Beatles album ‘Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band’ a while back and it was kind of interesting from an industry standpoint. George Martin commented that ‘Strawberry Fields Forever’ while not on ‘Sgt. Pepper’ was actually from that same recording era but the record label didn’t believe in releasing a song as a single and then also putting it on an album because it would be unfair to the consumer to make them buy the same song twice. So, ‘Strawberry Fields’ was a standalone single release separate from the album.
I thought of this with some of these EP releases where they then come back and release much of the EP material on a future full length album. Luke Bell is one I remember doing this. Not to pick on him because I really like him and he’s not the only one.
The music industry has ripped off their customers so much sometimes it’s hard to feel to bad for them when it falls apart.
August 8, 2017 @ 9:57 am
Metallica’s Garage Days is one of the best EP’s ever. Sometimes it works well.
August 8, 2017 @ 10:23 am
My gut reaction when I see an EP release is to assume someone (artist or label) is dipping their toe in the water rather than jumping in. I do like the idea of a short concept album that isn’t weakened by being inflated to ten songs… but the potential for getting lost in the shuffle is definitely an issue.
August 8, 2017 @ 11:24 am
It’s tricky.
— Very few radio stars are becoming album sellers (and many established album sellers can’t sell anymore), which naturally has labels nervous about investing in the development, marketing, distribution and promotion of full albums.
You mention the point about using chart positions for marketing, but there’s also a negative. A flop LP counts against you, whereas you can always use the “it was just an EP” excuse if that doesn’t sell.
— Respect/credibility definitely sells albums (and tickets), and full albums (which provide more insight into the creative talent/mind of the artist) go a long way in building that respect.
That said, there are definitely some success stories associated with the mixtape/EP model — namely Sam Hunt and Maren Morris. Both released EPs to capitalize on their early radio exposure, built fans & press (and racked up Spotify & iTunes checks) based on those EPs, and then had enough momentum to successfully launch albums.
August 8, 2017 @ 11:27 am
The “you” is trigger, by the way. I don’t know why it always puts my comments as replies to someone else’s post.
August 8, 2017 @ 11:18 am
Third Man just posted today: “Congrats to Margo Price, whose surprise “Weakness” EP charted #20 for Folk Album Sales, #49 for Country Album Sales, and took the #6 and #8 spots on Billboard’s Hot Single Sales chart for “Weakness” and “Paper Cowboy!”
https://www.facebook.com/ThirdManRecords/photos/a.240742821799.171105.167238636799/10155679800116800/?type=3
August 8, 2017 @ 11:51 am
This information is misleading at best, and possibly downright incorrect in other parts. It looks like Third Man is trying to spin cycle the Margo Price release, which may become a story in itself.
They appear to be trying to use nomenclature to make the release look larger than it is. “Weakness” cannot be found on either the Billboard Country Albums Chart, or The Billboard Folk/American Albums chart. And you don’t have to take my word for it, just go look at the charts:
http://www.billboard.com/charts/americana-folk-albums
http://www.billboard.com/charts/country-albums
#20 on the Folk Albums chart is Grant Malloy Smith, and #49 on the Country Albums chart is Rascal Flatts.
Now perhaps they’re trying to slide by, citing some other chart not associated with Billboard or that is some under-chart that only tracks sales and not streams, or vice versa, but referencing Billboard later. I really have no idea.
Also, I had never heard of a Billboard “Hot Singles Sales” chart until today. And this is someone who has been working in the business for 10 years. And unfortunately, it is a subscriber-only chart via Billboard, so I can’t even see it to verify if Margo charted on there as Third Man says. And even if she did, what good is a chart that nobody has heard of, and the public can’t access?
The point remains: Margo Price’s debut album charted at #10, which helped create a national buzz for her, which is what you want out of an album release. Even if the EP charted at #49 (which it didn’t, at least on the Billboard Country Albums chart), this would still be a huge drop off in interest compared between the two projects, which proves my point about EP’s.
I don’t anyone thinking I’m attempting to undercut Margo Price, “Weakness,” Third Man, or any artist releasing an EP. I am just giving my honest take with the effort to warn artists about releasing their music in this manner. Frankly, this Third Man missive is an excellent example why it’s a bad idea.
August 8, 2017 @ 12:48 pm
Related question: Why are Billboard charts dated the way they are? Today is August 8, and the charts linked are for the “Week of August 19, 2017.”
August 8, 2017 @ 1:05 pm
I think it is based on the old days of publishing schedules. If you think of it like this week so the chart dated August 19 was tabulated as of August 6 so then they would have to send it to the printer and it would probably be done by about August 9 we’ll say and then it would be shipped to subscribers and newsstands arriving by about August 14 and since they don’t want people to think that they are buying old news and they want to continue selling the issue for some period of time they forward the issue date.
August 8, 2017 @ 1:23 pm
And fixing this in the digital age would cause a weird problem. Say they wanted to close the gap by making the above chart dated August 12. But they already had an August 12 chart from last week so they would then for all history have two charts dated August 12. So I just think they are resigned to having the date lag.
August 8, 2017 @ 1:03 pm
Actually, the positions they gave are all true.
You’re looking at Americana/Folk Albums and Country Albums, which are the genre equivalents of the Billboard 200 (album sales + track sales + streams).
Margo’s EP *does* appear at those positions on the Billboard Americana/Folk Album and Country Album Sales charts, which are based on pure album sales only.
August 8, 2017 @ 11:52 am
Curious to hear Margos new music though. I wanna be a fan but nothing she’s done yet has thoroughly arrested my attention. I feel like she has all the right elements but needs some killer songs to launch her big time. Here’s hoping that EP has the goods.
August 8, 2017 @ 11:59 am
The EP is solid. I still may post a review for it. It just happens to be when I sat down to review it, I ended up belching out 17 paragraphs about why artists should not release EP’s. And this isn’t just my theory BTW. It’s pretty industry wide knowedge that EP’s are bad news in independent country/roots. It’s often the artists that think they’re a good idea because they get antsy to release new music.
August 8, 2017 @ 1:25 pm
I’ll probably get shit for this but I feel the same about Margo Price. It seems to me certain people really want her to be the next Isbell / Sturgill because they really, really want a young female in that same role, but the whole situation seems backwards from my point of view (correct me if I’m wrong).
Isbell and Sturgill were thrust into the spotlight via brilliant albums containing songwriting and music on a level that really set them apart from their peers: Southeastern and Metamodern Sounds in Country Music. These situations weren’t highly planned, intentional marketing ploys and TV placements designed to blow them up because someone in the industry was searching for someone to fill some specific void; they were both an organic rise because the albums could not be ignored.
I don’t dislike Margo Price’s music – on the contrary – but the whole situation with her rise to the current level seems very forced by the industry. I heard about both Southeastern and Metamodern Sounds through word of mouth, friends who are also big music fans telling me I have to hear this album, and they were right; these are albums that will change you as both a listener and a songwriter.
I heard about Midwest Farmer’s Daughter – and almost everything Margo Price related – via TV show performances and print/internet media articles, all of which strongly discussed that there is a need for a female Isbell/Sturgill/Stapleton and Margo Price should be that person.
To enjoy and appreciate Midwest Farmer’s Daughter is one thing, but to think it’s an album that should thrust a musicians into stardom in anywhere close to the way Southeastern and Metamodern Sounds did for Jason and Sturgill is – in my humble opinion – baffling.
And I hate that this sounds like a dig on a good album; I really didn’t intend it that way when I started typing.
August 14, 2017 @ 8:32 am
Midwest Farmer’s Daughter is an album I ordered, canceled before shipping and some weeks later, ordered again. It took a little while for me to warm up to it, but after repeated listens, it became on of my favorites in 2016 ( 8 or 9, I think). While I wouldn’t consider it a classic, I think it’s a solid B+ to A-. I’d say it’s in the ballpark of Isbell’s Here We Rest.
One area where I think Margo narrows the gap at least some between her and Isbell/Simpson is her live show. I’m not going to say she’s better necessarily, but she’s damn good and has a great band. She also seems to genuinely appreciate and enjoy the people that come out to see her, which makes me want to root for her.
August 14, 2017 @ 9:16 am
Margo Price is amazing live.
August 8, 2017 @ 12:30 pm
I’m surprised cost of recording is an issue. There are 3D printers for the home. Is there a industry-strength cd burner for the desktop yet?
Get some recording hardware, software, and a cd burner, crowd-source the expertise in some open forum, and you can set up local music co-ops to record and crank out cd’s.
Send ’em to Trig for exposure. ; )
August 8, 2017 @ 12:57 pm
In most cases releasing an E.P. Is equivalent to a band without a bass player. Why bother?
August 8, 2017 @ 1:27 pm
Ray Wylie Hubbard and the Ten Foot Polecats can pull it off, but only because they’re masters of the dead thumb.
August 8, 2017 @ 1:05 pm
Based on the subject of this article, I am curious for your take on the Patreon thing that Hayes Carll is doing. If your not familiar with it it basically let’s you support the artist with a minimum pledge of $1 per month, and every month he records and releases a song to the supporters. Similar to Kickstarter, there are different levels of support that offer additional perks beyond the new song each month.
As a fan I like the getting a brand new song each month that I can stick together and essentially have a new album from him at the end of the year. Seems like a pretty cool thing, but I guess it would probably only work for an artist such as Hayes who already has an established fan base who supports him.
Do you see a downside that outweighs the benefits, since these songs would essentially be excluded from all the things that you mention an EP would be excluded from?
Love your site and it is always interesting to hear your take on topics like these.
August 8, 2017 @ 1:24 pm
I get the 4 song EP is dumb but you see that many of these small new artists are having to do this all out of pocket. A 4 to 7 song EP may be the best way for an artist or band to allow fans to start hearing a new artists sound. To be honest most Albums have 3 to 4 throw away songs on them anyway so if they can shake the waste and give me pure quality in a shorter amount I am okay with it. I also feel that it depends on the type of music as well. If they are songs that you will definitely listen to on a playlist, typically faster paced songs, those songs typically will do better on an EP. Look at Shotgun Rider all they have done is produce EP’s and it has worked fairly well for them as a platform. I will agree though after the first EP though if your a new artist the next project you put out should definitely be an album to give the listener adequate amounts of music to satisfy new fans. I hate the LP using the EP that was already release as part of your album though. At that point you are just disguising music as new when we all know it is just two EP’s together. I think the ideal road for artists is something like Kody West did. Give an EP first then an all-brand new album the next year. More than anything though I think it needs to be quality over quantity and releasing all new music. But some of my favorite music this year is from EP’s Jon Stork’s In the Radio and Damon Curtis in Changing Lanes. Both of these are starting artists so they probably didn’t have the money for a large album.
August 8, 2017 @ 1:44 pm
I disagree completely. I think all artists should only release EPs of 4-7 songs.
If you legitimately have 25 songs a year of substance and quality you can turn out, you know what? Go ahead and release 4 EPs a year, one a quarter, and rake in the cash.
But most artists don’t have the ability to tell 12 small stories that fit in the theme of a full length album anymore. I do think that given 2 years they can come up with 5 good songs though.
August 8, 2017 @ 1:45 pm
What about wanting to have something to sell to people who come to see you so they have something to remember you by for when you do put out a full length album? For a new artist an EP is great for that I dont think most release their first full length album THEN do their first shows but they play their songs to an audience find out what works and record their best. The EP is great for that pre-album touring stage. It is just plain dumb to not have music to sell at your shows as thats as direct of an audience as you can get. For bands who havent recorded a full length the EP fills that massive void. I think you might be misunderstanding the intent new artists have in putting out an EP. Winning a Grammy or leaping directly to mainstream radio likely isnt it for independent artists on their first EP.
August 8, 2017 @ 2:11 pm
I’ve always loved guy Clark’s philosophy wait until you have 10 good songs and then make a record. That’s how come I kind of struggle with the idea of artists saying they have 30 songs when they went in the studio. I think it’s like getting ready for a dinner party you’re not going to cook up 30 sides you’re going to pick your 10 best and why waste time on the 20 others.
August 8, 2017 @ 2:51 pm
Check out Greta Van Fleets EP… Works cause they’re new and makes fans salivate for that first full album… Highly recommend this band for fans of classic rock, especially Zeppelin. Don’t let the strange band name throw you off.
But I generally despise EPs… Mostly cause they don’t leave any impression on you. It does work occasionally, though. Restavrant is another good one that does EPs.
August 8, 2017 @ 2:52 pm
I’d just like to point out that as a relatively unknown artist I made a 4 song EP that I didn’t even release in the States and it got me a record deal with one of the top independent labels in the world. I decided to make a 4 song EP simply because it’s all I could afford at the time (truth be told, I actually couldn’t afford it. I had to take out a loan from someone to even record it and then another loan to press it.) Bottom line is, they serve a purpose. I don’t think anyone is putting out EPs with the intent of selling a million copies and winning Grammys. It’s about getting your music out and trying to make a name for yourself. Had I not taken a chance on making that stupid pointless EP that’s sure to be lost in the mix and never heard again, I wouldn’t have anything that I have rn. I’m eternally grateful for everyone who pushed me to make that EP when I didn’t think it was worth making.
August 8, 2017 @ 4:19 pm
Certainly there are instances when releasing an EP is appropriate, or even the perfect solution to how to get music to people, and I tried to elaborate on this in the article and give numerous examples. A couple of the best records released so far in 2017 in my estimation are officially EP’s. Not every EP is a disaster, and some serve their assigned purpose. But the vast majority of them end up being overlooked. And this isn’t some wild-eyed theory. I’ve been saying this for going on a decade, and dozens of other folks who study music for a living concur. What’s incredible is that it still needs to be emphasized in 2017. This isn’t just about winning awards or charting. It’s about releasing something that gets folks to pay attention, and folks just don’t pay attention to EP’s like they do LP’s. Perhaps an EP does well. But that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t have done better if it was an LP. You have to give your music every opportunity to succeed, and it’s just too risky to dump four songs on folks and expect them to pay attention. Selfishly, I hate short-form EP because I can’t find enough words to write reviews for them. This is the same plight most journalists find. So they don’t write about them at all. That’s what’s happening with Margo Price right now, which is a shame. Margo Prices 2nd release should have been a Top 5 easily, even if she released 10 tracks of static simply from the name recognition she’s built up. Now she doesn’t even crack the Top 50. The ONLY reason the album didn’t sell through well is because it’s an EP. The surprise strategy is also probably partly to blame. Again, this is independent country/Americana—not hip-hop, not indie rock. The rules are different. It’s an album format. That’s how Stapleton, Sturgill, and Isbell got to the top. Adhere to it and succeed. Think you know better than everyone else and go off the script, and get smoked by the sales of a 6-year-old Eric Church record (“Chief” was #50 this week). Yes, an EP can work for an unknown artist looking to take the first step in their career. Sometimes. But Margo Price is supposed to be a superstar in the making. This EP isn’t getting her exposure, it is getting her exposed.
If independent music is going to thrive, we have to be smarter than them.
August 8, 2017 @ 2:53 pm
It’s not the eps that piss me off but when they put the entire ep onto an album so you end up buying the ep and 3-5 other new songs on the full album, the money grabbing record label cunts.
August 8, 2017 @ 4:38 pm
Someone else feels my pain
August 9, 2017 @ 6:07 am
Luke Combs – This One’s For You
August 8, 2017 @ 4:18 pm
I think this is just your opinion. Most fans want to hear a full album. You know, like the old days. However, it can take up to 2 years to put out a good album. That is, if you have any talent. I also believe that many artists do not have the time, and the money to do a full album ( 12 songs ). It is very popular for artists to act on their own behalf with their own independent label. So they are the ones that are paying for the EP’s. So it totally makes sense for them to do an EP ( 4 to 5 songs ). Also for marketing purposes, they can afford to give away their CD’s. Time is very valuable to any artist. Especially if you are past the age of 16. If you do not have the credentials, then it makes it more difficult for an artist. Regardless of how well they sing. I think this article was published just to get responses. Which it has. It served the purpose of the blogger. Now, let’s move on and talk about real subjects, like bringing back cassette tapes. LOL
August 8, 2017 @ 4:45 pm
I guess what trigger is saying is that an EP has its purpose and it’s mostly for people trying to get recognition not someone who already has her name out there and is expected to build on the already established momentum. Imagine Chris Stapleton releasing an EP after traveller for some reason like ‘my album isn’t ready’
If you are independent you can release a single (just like Scotty) and then get a contract in order to produce a full length album.
August 8, 2017 @ 4:46 pm
Hey, if you think these are all just the ramblings of a pissed off blogger looking for clicks, then full speed ahead with your EP’s. Best of luck. But the odds are stacked against you, and the evidence is insurmountable.
Also, I know very specifically how hard, expensive, and time consuming it is to record and release an album because I’ve been part of that process myself many, many times. I don’t want to discount the difficulty, but if you have a dream, there should be no obstacle, and no excuses. You tighten the belt, and you get it done. Half albums are half efforts, and half efforts are rarely rewarded in any sector of life. Sometimes a short story is better than a novel. But any creative work that can’t develop its narrative properly is doomed to fail.
August 8, 2017 @ 5:26 pm
me, my wallet, and my forthcoming ep acknowledge you are right and wish we could afford a full length.
August 8, 2017 @ 5:44 pm
what’s the cost? put a figure to it
August 8, 2017 @ 6:12 pm
Absolute bare minimum for a solo to release a fair to good ensemble song $2500. “Radio” music probably costs 10xs that and probably lots more. A true acoustic song can be done for less than that, but even “acoustic” radio songs probably cost $25000 or more. A day at a good studio is $1200 4 good musicians, per day, $1000+. Plus specialists, mixing, mastering, art, distribution, etc. etc. For most of us, that is money we put out of our paycheck, not money we are “investing” toward a future return.
August 8, 2017 @ 7:31 pm
hmm, you get better odds in Vegas
August 8, 2017 @ 6:15 pm
While EPs don’t grab that attention that a full-length album does, sometimes you wish an artist would just release an EP of all great songs instead of loading up half of a full album with garbage. For instance, the new Joe Nichols album you covered seems to have a few great songs but is then rounded out with throwaway songs trying to grasp at relevance. Granted, major labels seem to demand full albums from their artists, and the labels seem to demand that artists include less-than-stellar songs on albums just to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Perhaps the stigma surrounding EPs will dissipate one day, but until then, it seems like we’re stuck with buying ten songs and only enjoying five or less of them.
August 8, 2017 @ 7:36 pm
Trigger (or anyone else with an opinion),
I have two very important questions for you. Firstly, Colter Wall first came onto my radar with what I consider an EP with “Imaginary Applachia” and it worked brilliantly. By only including a few songs I eagerly awaited his next output. So wouldn’t you say it’s viable to put out an EP so that listeners are itching to hear what you do next? Kind of like a free sample to make you buy the box at CostCo. So wouldn’t you say EP’s are good for that?
Secondly, I am a country/folk musician who plays a lot of local gigs at bars, restaurants, and outdoor events around my area and I am currently working with a local producer in his studio and he says the first step is to put together a 4 to 5 song EP and getting it on spotify so that I have something to present. Do you think it would be a better idea to just pay more money for studio time and put together an entire album? I have plenty of songs that I have full faith in, so having enough material wouldn’t be an issue, I’m just concerned about over bearing the listener with an entire album from someone basically unheard of. So, I’m just looking for an opinion from someone who judges music and albums for a living.
Thank you so much for your time!
August 8, 2017 @ 8:38 pm
One of the reason’s Colter Wall’s debut EP worked is because he’s Colter Wall. The other reason is because it was 7 songs long, not 4. In 7 songs, a narrative can develop, as can an artist’s voice. Colter Wall’s EP is an example of how an EP can work well, along with the others I presented above. I tried to go out of my way to offer my own counterpoints about when an EP is warranted, or even necessary. But I don’t think I’ve ever said that about a 3 or 4 song EP. Ultimately, the material must make the decision for itself. I would encourage you to try and not only include four songs. If you think you have ten stellar songs, stretch it into a full-length. If you don’t, try for seven. If you’re afraid you don’t have seven songs, be patient and wait until you do. This is your passion. You want to make a career out of it. Not everyone gets to succeed in music. Most people fail. But you can give yourself the best odds by avoiding the 4 song EP.
August 8, 2017 @ 8:40 pm
I did not get the Margo move. I agree the stage was set for a big follow up and this EP was a big let down to me. The music is fine; good perhaps…but it’s a letdown regardless.
Music is more important than singles. That’s the bottom line. You make some great points here KTC
August 8, 2017 @ 9:59 pm
In Margo Price’s case specifically, she’s been on the road pretty much nonstop since the LP release and will be playing shows through the end of the year. Even if she’s been writing on the road, that presumably doesn’t leave a lot of time for them to get into the studio. I remember she’d posted pics/videos from the studio on her Instagram during a short break earlier this year, and figured that they were hitting the studio to get a couple songs in for the next record while they had a little touring gap and while the band was dialed in. So to me, it was a pleasant surprise to get the EP.
I think the EP works for her because it gives her something to sell to older fans who already have the LP or to tide them over for the next release with 2 new songs, put “Paper Cowboy” on record since that’s become a live staple/crowd pleaser, and maybe the timing felt right after Ben Eyestone’s passing (she said in an interview that the song had taken on a different meaning to her and Jeremy Ivey from when they started writing it, and that it’d probably be added to the set as their nightly tribute to him). Also, this is put out by Third Man, which caters not only to fans of the particular artists like Margo, and Jack White’s projects, but also vinyl lovers. So those are potential buyers. Having merch for live shows is important for touring artists – there’s probably other fans like me who like to buy merch at live shows to support our favorite artists but who already have the physical album or a shirt, who would love to buy anything we don’t already have, especially something like this EP with 4 new songs. Like the last time Luke Bell rolled through town, I just wound up buying a 2nd copy of his cd for a friend, but if he had an EP I definitely would’ve jumped at it.
I think you’ve made some valid points about EPs in general, and also agree with what others said about recording costs, exposure for new artists before debut LPs, etc. Another thing about EPs is that they can be used to bridge the gap between album sounds. For example, the Wild Reeds (who you’ve mentioned a few times on your site) released a 3 song EP last year, which (to my ears, at least) was sonically more consistent with where they were at the time as a live band and where they were going with their songwriting for the next record than the previous LP. I saw Cale Tyson last year, bought both of his EPs (which I really like), but also found myself wanting to buy a cd of some of the other songs he played that night. Thankfully, they were from the new cd (which I guess may serve the same function as the Wild Reeds EP since he recorded the new cd 2 years ago).
It’s possible that some artists releasing EPs these days started listening to music or the types of music I listened to growing up where EPs are more common. I listened to a lot of punk rock growing up, and in the 80s-90s, it was very common for punk bands to release vinyl/cassette EPs of songs that they wouldn’t put on LPs, not bc they didn’t think they’d make the cut or for a cash grab or for chart aspirations, but for other reasons: live crowd pleasers, covers, they wanted to record the songs and figured some of their fans might want to buy it, etc.
Lastly, I think even if your research shows that EPs don’t work domestically, they still might work internationally, where the LP isn’t always king. In the U.K., you had British bands in the 70s-80s like the Jam and Madness (I know, not country) who put out a lot of great material on singles, and those songs weren’t put on LPs but the singles still sold well and hit the charts. It seems like a lot of the up and coming country/Americana artists you feature on the site do well (crowd size) touring in European countries where the music buying public doesn’t necessarily draw the same lines between LPs/EPs that the US music buying public makes and just wants to buy good music.
August 9, 2017 @ 5:31 am
nice post. “the country music scene in Europe” is a good topic for an article. is it just a cornpone fad, or is it like Scandi countries in the 60s for jazz musicians?
August 9, 2017 @ 5:56 am
I’ve always felt that an ep should be something that you occasionally release between records and for Record Store Day type releases. Something that only the hardcore fans will buy and something to keep your fans motivated for the next album release.
That’s always been my outlook.
August 9, 2017 @ 7:09 am
Trigger, you tagged this article for Jamie Wyatt. Were you going to discuss it’s short length and how it measures up as an album vs. EP? I, for one, thought it more EPish due to length and I didn’t buy it. It did not blow me away to point I wanted to spend album money on relatively short collection of songs. They should have knocked a buck or two off the price considering it only has 7 songs and none were particularly long songs. At the very least, it seems like it is sort of stuck in limbo. It reminds me of Jar of Flies, as an EP sold as an album. That one certainly sold well, but that was A. during the heyday of “grunge” and anything Seattle was selling, B. a bit of a fluke, and C. one of the best collection of songs of the 90’s.
August 9, 2017 @ 7:17 am
There’s nothing I hate worse than when an artist releases two or three singles, and then an EP containing the singles and maybe one or two new songs, and then their next album consists of the EP’s songs and a few extras. It leaves you feeling disappointed when you have already listened to the best songs from a new album you just purchased. By the time you get an album you have been listening to some of the songs for over a year.
The only good reason for releasing an EP should be to once in awhile release some songs that would be a little different than your usual music, or possibly covers or acoustic versions of songs, to hold fans over when an artist is on an extended break after a long recording and touring run. Or possibly to introduce a new band into the market, but once songs are released on a EP, they should not be included in the next album.
The other thing I hate is when an album is released, and then 6 months later the extended deluxe version of the album comes out with new songs. And if you try to purchase just the new songs on iTunes or Amazon, the will be listed as album only, so you have to repurchase the whole album to get them.Fans shouldn’t be expected to purchase the same songs again and again.
I know the music industry blames the fans who pirate music for these new means of releasing music, but they will pirate the music regardless. You only punish the people who actually do purchase music with releases of the same music over and over.
August 9, 2017 @ 10:25 am
The LP is already in the can and slated for a fall release. Releasing an EP in the run up to a fall LP is a very traditional, well established technique that dates back decades. Third Man released a 2 7″ physical product which was very popular with “real fans.” Marketing powder was not expended, I think perhaps one release was issued, and no outlets were pitched. As someone who has blogged about music, released records and now sits on the sidelines, I understand and appreciate your take, but I don’t think you have any underlying appreciation of the plan that Margo Price has put together, and I would guess, that if you look back at this post later this year, the sales victory will be evident from her second LP, and your analysis, while perhaps applicable to other artists, will not hold for Margo Price herself.
August 9, 2017 @ 12:25 pm
The short-form EP issue well predates the release of Margo Price’s latest effort. I have written about it, and in-depth many times in the last ten years, to the point where I stopped in fear of being redundant. This isn’t solely about Margo Price, though her release happened to be the latest excellent example of why EP’s should be approached with extreme caution. I understand when you post something like this, it can come across as provocative, or make certain artists or labels feel singled out or unfairly scrutinized. But the effort here is meant to be constructive. I think the evidence is insurmountable that the release of Margo Price’s EP was unfortunate. If it was just meant as a physical, short-run release for dedicated fans, why wasn’t it initially sold as such? Saying that the commercial results are irrelevant, or not what is being worried about here, is not only a defensive measure that is pretty transparent (who doesn’t want to sell more stuff than less?), it’s also a dangerous precedent to take in independent music. Of course sales shouldn’t be the ultimate driver of decisions, but once a release is live, the artist, the label, the fans, and the independent industry should want that release to sell through as strong as possible for the benefit of everyone involved. We should want music to succeed in the marketplace. When Jason Isbell upstages major label acts on the Country Albums charts, that is something we can point at to back up the claim that the future of music is independent, with artists calling their own shots. When a Margo Price release fails to make the Top 50, this is the perfect ammunition for the mainstream industry to claim the opposite. This issue goes beyond Margo Price, especially because she’s been bestowed so many opportunities and is seen as a rising star in the independent ranks.
I think the short-form EP is a bad move every time it’s tried, and I’m not going to let fandom or affiliations cloud that perspective. Someone needs to take the unpopular stance and say the tough things for the benefit of the music on this issue. I totally appreciate that some folks may disagree with my take on EP’s, and I encourage them to share their opinions as well. Ultimately, I just want artists and labels to understand the risks of EP’s, and to make a balanced and informed decision for their own careers and projects.
August 11, 2017 @ 5:45 pm
My only problem with EPs is I wish they would transfer over to the full length album once it is released. I have bought many from iTunes and have had to buy the album with the 4 songs I have already. The same goes for single songs also. Buy the single and turn around and have to buy the song again with the album.