Shaboozey’s Right & Wrong to Side Eye Carter Family as Country’s “Inventor”

Don’t get too worked up here folks. It’s was just the American Music Awards, which in the grand scheme of things is a fan-voted “also ran” inferior version of a music awards show more interested in drawing eyeballs to the telecast than getting it right. The AMAs are well behind the Grammy Awards or even things like MTV’s VMAs when it comes to prestige, importance, or cultural cachet. That’s why they’re relegated to Memorial Day.
When considering the AMAs in the country music realm, they’re even less relevant, well behind the CMA Awards in November, the ACM Awards in the spring, as well as a the Grammys. The American Music Awards deal with country from the overall popular music perspective, usually favoring superstars whose popularity is primarily centered outside of the genre. This is the reason Beyoncé, Morgan Wallen, Post Malone, and Dan + Shay walked away with the AMA’s supposed “country” awards in 2025.
• Female Country Artist – Beyoncé
• Male Country Artist – Post Malone
• Country Duo or Group – Dan + Shay
• Country Album – Cowboy Carter
• Country Song – MorganWallen and Post Malone – “I Had Some Help”
The cultural impact on this is basically nil, though it is important to point out that its artists who are decidedly outside of the country music genre that the rest of the music world now perceives as the front runners in country—and at a time when actual country, and actual country performers have never been more popular.
This underscores that the musicians, songwriters, and performers who grew up from little boys and girls dreaming of being big in country, and spent their entire lives pursuing that goal are being overshadowed by superstars who made millions before ever choosing to call themselves country. In the case of Beyoncé, she even said herself “This ain’t a country album” in regards to her “country” album Cowboy Carter.
Can you imagine the blowback if country artists started winning all of the hip-hop awards? Fairly, it would launch 1,000 think pieces and result in widespread condemnation by hip-hop fans on social media since it would be categorically unfair to hip-hop artists.
But there was a really important moment that transpired on the 2025 American Music Awards that speaks to one of the more fundamental concerns about where we are in country music at the moment, which is in the midst of a headlong effort by some to blanch out the history of Black creators in country music to then celebrate modern stars like Beyoncé and Shaboozey as the pioneers, or for being responsible for re-integrating that history back into the conversation, when it truth, it was already there.
Some are even going as far to say that White country artists never had any agency in country music, and to even claim it’s Beyoncé who invented country music, since it was her presence in the genre that made them first pay attention.
Shaboozey and Megan Moroney were tapped to present the Favorite Country Duo or Group trophy at the American Music Awards. In the teleprompter copy the two were shown while presenting the award, they talked about the first winners of the AMA country awards in 1974, including Charley Pride who won Favorite Country Male Artist, Lynn Anderson who won Favorite Country Female Artist, and The Carter Family, who won Best Country Duo or Group.
In the teleprompter copy that Megan Moroney read, she also said “…and this award went to The Carter Family, who basically invented country music.” This inspired a side-eyed look from Shaboozey that many people took notice of, and has since stimulated all sorts of online discussion about the origins of country music, and the role Black creators played in it.
Shaboozey side-eyed Megan Moroney during the #AMAs after she claimed The Carter Family “invented country music.” pic.twitter.com/oPjRAKWaQs
— Buzzing Pop (@BuzzingPop) May 27, 2025
Before we get into the meat and potatoes of the quote that Megan Moroney read off the teleprompter—and by the way, Maroney deserves no blame or ire here since she was simply reading a prepared statement—it’s important to appreciate that the vast majority of the videos and pull-quotes of the moment exclude the fact that Megan Moroney’s statement also mentioned Charley Pride, who in 1974, arguably was the biggest Male artist and probably the biggest artist in all of country music as a Black country performer.
This in itself both illustrates that Black contributors, and celebrating and awarding those Black contributors, goes back at least 51 years in country music, but is downplayed or outright erased to push a narrative that modern stars are the ones exposing this long-erased Black history in the country genre.
But on to Shaboozey’s side eye, he states later on X/Twitter, “When you uncover the true history of country music, you find a story so powerful that it cannot be erased,” and in a second tweet, “The real history of country music is about people coming together despite their differences, and embracing and celebrating the things that make us alike.”
The second tweet is spot on. The first tweet and the side eye is what some have taken and ran with, and once again have used to paint an inaccurate picture of country music, it’s Black legacy, and the way country history has portrayed Black contributions.
First, let’s address the statement written by someone at the American Music Awards that The Carter Family “basically invented country music.”
That statement probably does deserve a bit of a side eye, though not necessarily for the reasons some think it does. It certainly deserves more context. But when you only have a few seconds before presenting an award on national television, is saying The Carter Family basically invented country music as a super short and succinct statement entirely wrong? Not exactly, especially with the “basically” qualifier, which is signaling to the audience that it’s a highly derived and boiled-down statement, and also hyperbolically complimentary.
But it would have been much better to say that The Carter Family significantly contributed to the formation of country music, and leave it at that, and nobody would have side-eyed it at all. Of course, that statement doesn’t pack the same punch that the AMA writers were going for. They were trying to legitimize the standing of the American Music Awards with the country music community by embellishing their praise of The Carter Family.
For those that don’t know, in 1927, sound engineer and producer Ralph Peer set up a little remote studio in a hat shop in the town of Bristol right on the state line of Tennessee and Virginia. He recorded the songs that would go on to constitute the “big bang” of country music. Though there had been recordings before from Vernon Dalhart, Fiddlin’ John Carson, and others, The Bristol Sessions are given credit for when country music came into commercial form.
Ralph Peer recorded Jimmie Rodgers, who is sometimes referred to as the Father of Country Music, The Carter Family, which is also often referred to as the “First Family of Country Music,” and sometimes A.P Carter is referred to as the “Father of Country Music” as well. Ernest Stoneman, and other performers were also recorded during the sessions. In fact, there were 76 total songs recorded by 19 separate performers. The reason people most associate The Bristol Sessions with Jimmie Rodgers and The Carter Family is because it was their songs that became the most popular afterwards.
These days, there is a museum in Bristol called The Birthplace of Country Music that is partnered with The Smithsonian, and most everyone associates The Bristol Sessions with the beginning of country music. As great as it is to see this history preserved and thriving, it does paint a somewhat imperfect and too succinct picture for a host of reasons.
First and foremost, it wasn’t just Ralph Peer who was recording early country songs and artists. There is also the legacy of archivist and folklorist John Avery Lomax (1867 – 1948) and the entire Lomax family.
When Saving Country Music queried journalist and archivist John Lomax III about the legacy of his family, and how it pertains to The Bristol Sessions, he responded.
It really annoyed me when the Ken Burns Country Music documentary led people to believe country music began in 1927 in Bristol, Tennessee with the sessions Ralph Peer conducted that brought The Carter Family and Jimmie Rodgers to public acclaim.
My grandfather John Avery Lomax began writing down the words to songs he heard cowboys singing on their way up the Chisholm Trail as they camped or passed through the Lomax farm in Meridian, Texas. He continued to write down and later record these songs on rudimentary equipment for 34 years when his first book, Cowboy Songs and Other Frontier Ballads was published in 1910.
Songs first published in that book – “Streets of Laredo,” “Git Along Little Dogies,” “The Old Chisholm Trail,” “Goodbye Old Paint,” ‘The Cowboy’s Lament,” and “Home on the Range,” were recorded by a long list of country artists ranging from Tex Ritter and Marty Robbins through Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, and Old Crow Medicine Show.If John Avery Lomax had not saved these songs they might well have slipped into obscurity, if not lost forever. What’s more, he began a family tradition in music and journalism which had now lasted into four succeeding generations., beginning in the 19th century and going strong in the 21st.
Altogether nine Lomaxess over four generations have authored 52 books over four generations, written thousands of magazine articles published in four continents and contributed to several hundred recordings in multiple ways. I feel that John Avery has gotten short shrift for saving some of our most cherished songs amid the 17,000 field recordings he and Alan made for the Library of Congress.And, for the record, John Avery Lomax never copyrighted a single song as he believed they “Belonged to the American people.” Apparently Ralph Peer felt otherwise.

Along with taking a more archival approach to cataloging, chronicling, and recording early country songs, the Lomax Family legacy is also significantly more multicultural, and multiracial. John Avery Lomax and his son Alan Lomax were the first to discover and record Lead Belly. Alan Lomax would go on to make the first recordings of Muddy Waters in 1938. Following the Lomax legacy paints a broader picture of America’s rural roots music legacy.
But none of this is the reason Shaboozey gave the side eye to Megan Moroney when she declared that The Carter Family “basically invented country music.” This has to do with the prevailing idea that it was actually Black artists who invented country music, with The Carter Family and Jimmie Rodgers later taking credit for it through The Bristol Sessions. Yet again though, this paints an incomplete picture.
Though The Bristol Sessions are perhaps Ralph Peer’s most famous recording session, his first ever recording session was in 1920 when he recorded Mamie Smith singing “Crazy Blues,” which was the first blues recording specifically aimed at the Black listening market. In 1924, Peer recorded blues, jazz, and Gospel singers in New Orleans, and again with an emphasis on Black performers and audiences. So the idea that Ralph Peer ignored or excluded Black musicians from his legacy is incorrect.
Though many paint The Bristol Sessions of 1927 as the segregation point for country music, one of the performers who participated was a Black harmonica player named El Watson who recorded the songs “Pot Licker Blues” and “Narrow Gauge Blues.” He also played with The Johnson Brothers during the session. Though much is made about the 1927 sessions, there were additional recording sessions in Bristol in 1928 that also lent to the Bristol Sessions legacy. In 1928, the Black duo Tarter & Gay participated.
In fact, as opposed to being a segregation point for country music, The Bristol Sessions were one of the very first integrated recording sessions to ever take place. And though it wasn’t a recording session, it was a radio show, The Grand Ole Opry predates Ralph Peer’s Bristol Sessions by two years. In 1925, a radio show on WSM was first introduced at the Grand Ole Opry. It’s first performer was another Black harmonica player named DeFord Bailey who currently is a member of the Country Music Hall of Fame.
But those who love to forward the segregated notion of The Bristol Sessions rarely if ever mention El Watson, or Tarter & Gay in their assessments. In truth, they probably don’t know these performers even exist, and in the revisionist histories involving The Bristol Sessions and The Carter Family, they’re rarely if ever cited. But who they love to cite is Lesley Riddle.
For sure, Black guitar player, songwriter, and song recorder Lesley Riddle played a role in the mid career success of The Carter Family. However, characterizing Lesley Riddle as being a foundational key to The Carter Family’s success similar to how blues singer Rufus “Tee-Tot” Payne created the blues sound that Hank Williams turned into country gold completely misunderstands Lesley Riddle’s role, and most unarguably, flies in the face of the timeline of The Carter Family and The Bristol Sessions.
Simply put, A.P. Carter, a.k.a. the “Father of Country Music,” met Lesley Riddle in December of 1928. This was 16 months after the original Bristol Sessions, or the “Big Bang of Country Music.” Incidentally, it was also after the 1928 Bristol Sessions too.
Around the release of Beyoncé’s album Cowboy Carter, numerous historical retrospectives characterized The Carter Family as “The First Family” of country music, but then said their success was owed significantly, if not solely to Lesley Riddle, claiming that in truth it was Riddle who “invented” country music, and The Carter Family that simply took credit for it. This is likely what inspired Shaboozey’s side-eyed glance.
Further claims include that “Mother” Maybelle Carter stole her famous “Carter Family Scratch” style of guitar playing from Riddle. Though Riddle’s playing probably did influence later recordings from The Carter Family and specifically Mother Maybelle’s finger picking style, Mother Maybelle did not even know Lesley Riddle existed in 1927, and thus, could have not copied Riddle’s guitar playing for The Bristol Sessions.
This does not mean Lesley Riddle did not play a role in The Carter Family legacy. On the contrary, after their success and fame from their participation in the 1927 Bristol Sessions, A.P. Carter set out to “find” more songs in the countryside to record, and Lesley Riddle was key to these song collecting trips.
At the same time The Bristol Sessions were happening in August of 1927, Lesley Riddle had been working at a cement plant. After tripping on an auger, he injured his right leg, resulting in it needing to be amputated at the knee. Unable to work, Riddle took up the guitar. When he went out with A.P Carter on song expeditions, Riddle would be the one to memorize the melody of a song someone showed them, while A.P would record the lyrics on paper.
Through this system, A.P. Carter and Lesley Riddle would take credit for songs like “Cannonball Blues,” “Hello Stranger,” “I Know What It Means To Be Lonesome,” “Let the Church Roll On,” “Bear Creek Blues,” “March Winds Goin’ Blow My Blues Away” and “Lonesome For You.” But of these songs, where Lesley Riddle was responsible for either “writing” or “collecting” the song, he was given a songwriting credit.
Lesley Riddle’s legacy was perhaps underplayed in early Carter Family histories and retrospectives, though it was never “erased” as Shaboozey characterized in his tweet about his AMA’s side-eyed glance at Megan Moroney. The reason Lesley Riddle’s role in country music’s “Big Bang,” a.k.a. “The Bristol Sessions” has been underplayed, is because Lesley Riddle wasn’t there, didn’t participate, and wasn’t even associated with The Carter Family at that time.
Even a Rolling Stone article that attempts to justify Shaboozey’s characterization states, “While the Carter Family have long been considered country music royalty, it was only in the Sixties that Riddle began to get his due, and in recent years that his story has become more widely known.” But the Sixties were sixty years ago. That means for at least sixty years, the Lesley Riddle legacy has been there. But Riddle continues to be cited in viral “gotcha” social media moments as if nobody knows about him, and it’s up to internet sleuths to uncover his legacy and the conspiracy to keep Lesley Riddle down.
If you go to the Birthplace of Country Music museum in Bristol, Lesley Riddle is mentioned in one of the displays, even though again, he did not participate in The Bristol Sessions, and was not known by The Carter Family at that time.

When Saving Country Music attended the Bristol Rhythm and Roots Reunion festival in 2024 and toured the museum, an inquiry was made about Lesley Riddle to one of the staff members. “The prospects of a one-legged Black man becoming a star in the American south at that time were probably pretty slim,” was the response. “Lesley Riddle definitely deserves to be a part of The Carter Family legacy. But there’s a good chance his name would have never been known if The Carter Family didn’t take him under their wing.”
If there is anyone erasing the Lesley Riddle legacy, it’s is opportunistic individuals that want to portray themselves as uncovering a hidden or erased history. But when you look in the actual histories of country music, read the books, and go to the museums, contributors like Lesley Riddle are there. In fact, it’s easier to convince people of country music’s Black legacy by explaining its always been there, even if unnecessarily downplayed, as opposed to saying it was erased and needs to be re-instituted.
For further information on how the Black history in country music is chronicled and the effort by some modern revisionists to erase it, you can read the article, “Beyoncé Songs Spur False Claims Country Music Erased its Black History.”
One of the best examples of this un-erasable history is the “The Sources of Country Music” painting. Commissioned by the Country Music Association, or CMA in 1973, and painted by legendary American artist Thomas Hart Benton, it was meant to become the crown jewel of the CMA’s Hall of Fame collection, and has since become that very thing. The painting hangs as the centerpiece and the first thing you see as you enter the Hall of Fame rotunda where the plaques of all the official Hall of Fame inductees adorn the walls.
One aspect about the painting that is most important is the inclusion of the African American character playing a banjo. For Thomas Benton and the Hall of Fame, there was never any question that the Black influence in country music must be included in any portrayal of the genre’s origins.
In fact, one of the often-overlooked features of the painting even by many historians and interpreters of the work are four more African Americans just over the shoulder of the black banjo player. They are standing on the shore of the river, with their hands outstretched towards the steamboat.

With all due respect to Shaboozey, he has a dubious history himself of getting country music history correct. He once infamously said, “You can’t have a country song without 12-string. You can’t have bluegrass without 12-string guitar.” He also has a dubious history in how his one popular track “A Bar Song (Tipsy)” came to prominence.
But he’s not entirely wrong to question the statement, “The Carter Family basically invented country music.” It’s not because Lesley Riddle, “Black people,” Beyoncé, or anyone else “invented” country music. It’s because from the beginning, it was a blending of various influences, primarily springing from Scots/Irish immigrants from Appalachia, but influenced from Black minstrel players from the Carolinas and beyond, Black blues players from the Deep South, and the banjo’s African origins.
If you read most any country history book, go to most country music museums, watch a country music documentary like the 8-part Ken Burns series, you’ll see this displayed and spoken to.
The effort these days is not by White supremacists attempting to erase the Black legacy from country music. It’s often Black activists looking to eradicate the White legacy in country, which will not only be ineffective because it’s incorrect, it will only inspire more racism as country music looks to move on from its past issues with race. The other effort is to ensconce established pop and hip-hop stars like Beyoncé at the top of the country genre at the expense of its native performers, Black or White.
Here are the most popular responses to Shaboozey’s tweets after the American Music Awards.


But even these responses fly in the face of Shaboozey’s own statement, “The real history of country music is about people coming together despite their differences, and embracing and celebrating the things that make us alike.”
The above opinions are extreme social media takes of course, but they do illustrate how some, if not many Black fans who followed Beyoncé’s and Shaboozey’s foray into country music feel after being misled by online canards and grandstanding by music Stans. They also speak to a very real effort by some in intellectual circles to attempt to either eradicate country music culture, or co-opt it for political purposes, symbolized by a recent op/ed in The New York Times.
But the music itself tells a completely different story. Not one individual artist or band “invented” country music, neither can it be traced back to one single moment, or even one specific segment of people.
Country music came about from the love, the struggles, and the experiences of all of America’s rural people rising up in song, and proving itself so compelling, it felt imperative that it must be recorded, and shared with all the peoples of the earth for the universal messages and sentiments it carries, and how it can confer joy to anyone, irrespective of who they are, or where they’re from.
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May 28, 2025 @ 9:59 am
Black Africans invented the wheel.
End of story
May 28, 2025 @ 11:31 am
I’d say Shaboozey also “stole country music.” But that ain’t country.
May 28, 2025 @ 10:00 am
Award shows and social media tabloid commentary are all bullshit.
“Why are all these pop artists going Country all of a sudden?”
“Beyonce and Shaboozy and Jelly Roll are the new Country.”
“Did you see Ella Langley act cold to Riley Green?”
I understand that you are trying to be fair and nice but what is the point of given a fair and balanced historically accurate answer to these morons who half believe Wakanda is real? They aren’t seeking the truth and they don’t want the truth. They are keyboard warriors for black supremacy. Don’t cast pearls before swine. None of these people know who Howlin’ Wolf or Charley Pride is yet they want to believe Beyonce is the pinnacle of music. Give me a break.
May 28, 2025 @ 10:13 am
Sorry I’m still reading the article but I wanted to ask a question. I have always had the impression of AP Carter taking credit for a bunch of songs he didn’t write as being sort of scandalous and dishonest? I had the impression this was a fairly common view that he took a bunch of songs that had already existed and put his name on it. Is that something that is accurate and if accurate broadly perceived? Will go back to the article now
May 28, 2025 @ 10:25 am
This is a very good question that is integral to this story, and really, something every music fan must weigh and judge in their own heart.
One perspective is that A.P. Carter went through the countryside (with Lesley Riddle for a period), stole the intellectual property from unsuspecting and uneducated rural people, copyrighted it as their own, and made money off of it.
The other perspective is that if not for A.P. Carter (and Lesley Riddle for a period) finding these songs, recording them, and often, cleaning them up, refining them, or adapting them to their own treatments, they would have been lost to the world forever, and so we own them a debt of gratitude, and those songs would have never been copyrighted anyway, because the original composers knew nothing about the music business.
The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
One thing I will clarify is that I’ve seen some claim that The Carter Family got “rich” or became “stars” or even “superstars” from this practice. Though The Carter Family did become “famous” to some extent, compared to even a middling popular band of today, The Carter Family never came to any kind of “fame” through their music.
The Carter Family actually owe a lot of their popularity to the folk revival of the ’60s. They were never big stars on the same level as Roy Acuff, Hank Williams, etc.
May 28, 2025 @ 11:13 am
If you judge from the Carter Family songbook (including in large part public-domain material A. P. filched or adapted as his own, in common with uncountable composers in every genre including classical), the Carters’s most lasting influence has been on bluegrass, not on country; Carter and affiliated songs are still sung wherever bluegrass bands perform. Some observers claim the hobo folksong “Wabash Cannon Ball” — not the same as “Cannonball Blues,” though the two are sometimes confused because of the similar titles — got to Roy Acuff through the Carters hasn’t heard the latter’s version, which has lyrics different from Acuff’s.
The larger, more direct influence on the style that became commercial country music was Jimmie Rodgers, who incorporated large doses of pop into his vocals, song choices, and arrangements. He did not much care for the more rural oldtime string bands. Charlie Poole, who took a radical approach to the stringband tradition, would have had a good chance of being a country immortal/influencer if he hadn’t died of alcohol-related health problems at an early age.
These little quibbles aside, an excellent summary and analysis of a complicated history.
May 28, 2025 @ 10:14 am
I am not sure anyone invented country music (or any type of music for that matter) and it almost certainly existed before 1927 in Bristol. However, in terms of recordings, 1927 in Bristol with the Carter family and Jiimmie Rodgers is clearly important. I am not sure many would really know the origins of country music or what happened in 1927. I do like Shaboozey’s comment that it is people coming together that ‘invented’ country music and in that he is probably right. It is music with many influences from many places. In terms of the history, it has been more ‘white’ music with some notable exceptions, just as hip hop/soul is more ‘black’ music. I wasn’t really aware of this award show but the winners in the country category do not seem country to me, indeed some distance from country music. It seems to me rather insulting to the genre. I do not see Shaboozey as country but I did enjoy seeing him in concert and would go see him again. If it is country, it is country with a difference and he is more country than some of the winners in these awards. The comment “Country music came about from the love, the struggles, and the experiences of all of America’s rural people rising up in song….” sums it up brilliantly for me.
May 28, 2025 @ 10:24 am
I have to say something about Lomax’s snide condescension towards Ralph Peer.
Jack Thorp self-published the first book of cowboy songs and poetry, Songs of the Cowboys, in Estancia, New Mexico in 1908, a full two years before Lomax’s book came out. And unlike Lomax, Thorp was a working cowboy who heard the songs first hand on the cattle trail.
The two collections share many of songs in common, but with enough variances to make plagiarism unlikely. Throp was understandably bitter that the Lomaxes always had pretense to being pioneers, but there’s no solid evidence for direct theft of the material.
While I appreciate everything the Lomax’s did, they tend to overstate their own contributions and slight those of others. Ralph Peer with The Carter Family did different things for different purposes from the Lomaxes.
May 28, 2025 @ 10:30 am
The point of presenting the Lomax legacy here is to explain that cataloging, selling, and recording country music predated The Bristol Sessions, which complicates the claim The Carter Family “invented country music.” You can add Jack Thorp’s work and legacy to that argument too. I honestly don’t know enough about Jack Thorp to referee this matter. I just want people to understand there was country music before 1927.
May 29, 2025 @ 7:41 am
You’re right, and it was a great article addressing all the various facets. I was just personally piqued by the Lomax quote. To me it was hypocritical because he’s faulting Peer for taking credit for what wasn’t his when Lomaxes do the same thing.
May 29, 2025 @ 7:46 am
By the way, I first came across the legacy of Jack Thorp from the song Don Edwards wrote about him.
May 28, 2025 @ 10:24 am
Why would Shaboozey give the side eye when he and Megan had the script before and likely practiced? Why wouldn’t he call out that line of the script before live television if he disagreed or felt like it didn’t paint the same picture? Why air that grievance on live tv and afterwards on X? Seems a bit of a setup to me, and incredibly unfair to Megan.
May 28, 2025 @ 10:45 am
It was a setup.
May 28, 2025 @ 11:26 am
If Beyonce and Shaboozey actually gave a damn about Country music their music wouldn’t sound like it does. The same is true for most of the modern Country acts.
May 28, 2025 @ 1:21 pm
For the record, Shaboozey came out this morning with a detailed statement telling people to stop attacking Megan Moroney, and that his issue was not directed at her whatsoever. Of all the things you could say about Shabooey’s comments, his music, etc., he doesn’t come across as a petty person.
May 28, 2025 @ 10:28 am
It’s interesting that John Lomax III takes issue with the idea that Bristol was the “big bang” of country music because the Lomaxes collected songs far earlier. Many people, myself included, think Country (as opposed to folk music) is inherently commercial. Not a criticism, in fact I think of it as a virtue. And clearly something that distinguishes the Bristol sessions from folklorists/musicologists.
May 28, 2025 @ 10:40 am
The interesting thing about The Carter Family legacy is that it straddles folk and country. Some people consider them exclusively a folk act. Hank Williams didn’t like the terms “country” or “hillbilly,” and preferred to be referenced as a “folk” singer.
I think what John Lomax most takes issue with is when you talk about the early cataloging of “country” music, people immediately default to Ralph Peer and The Bristol Sessions without even giving a passing mention to the work of the Lomax Family. I agree a distinction needs to be drawn between the commercial recording and historical archiving. But I think even Ralph Peer saw himself as an archivist just as much as a commercial producer.
May 28, 2025 @ 11:03 am
When discussing genre, I don’t think it’s useful to use the words these early artists used to describe themselves. They meant different things at the birth of the recording industry than they do today. If we call things folk or country it is up to us to define those terms.
Your last sentence runs contrary to my understanding of Peer as largely an opportunist who didn’t particularly care for the genres he recorded, while the Lomaxes clearly did their albeit often patronizing work as a labor of love.
May 28, 2025 @ 2:13 pm
The only issue I take from Lomax’s comments is: “It really annoyed me when the Ken Burns Country Music documentary led people to believe country music began in 1927 in Bristol, Tennessee with the sessions Ralph Peer conducted that brought The Carter Family and Jimmie Rodgers to public acclaim”
Its like he missed an entire episode where Ken Burns went into great detail about country coming together and evolving out of an amalgam of sounds including West African instruments that became the banjo as well as European immigrants with the fiddle & guitar plus a host of others.
To this, Shaboozey is also right on the money with his comments. Country Music was invented by neither blacks nor whites so for either to lay sole claim is a fools errand.
May 28, 2025 @ 4:41 pm
I couldn’t disagree more with shaboozey and his comments. I wouldn’t call them on the money at all, the whole point is that shaboozey and Beyoncé claim that country is a solely black created art form. He isn’t saying it was created by both. He’s arguing that it was only blacks who created it, those are two very different arguments.
May 28, 2025 @ 4:57 pm
For the record, Shaboozey never expressly stated that country music is solely a Black created art form. I think his name has been brought up in many think pieces and revisionist histories either claiming this or something similar, and that is how country history and The Carter Family was presented to him. Every since the release of ‘Cowboy Carter,” I have seen this Lesley Riddle point brought up, and despite all my other reporting on the matter, hadn’t addressed that specifically. Right now we all live in siloed information bubbles that often obfuscate us from the truth of matters. That is why I think it’s so important to take the time to put all the information in one place, and try to look at from different perspectives.
May 29, 2025 @ 11:50 am
Shaboozey has never claimed that and actually said, as quoted in the article, that country music came from multiple sources which is true. It’s people like you and trigger trying to read his mind and create context that he didn’t bring up that’s the real problem here.
May 29, 2025 @ 12:37 pm
Not sure why I’m getting lumped in here. I’ve been challenging the notion that Shaboozey is trying to say country music is “all Black.” Isimply brought up the context of The Carter Family and Lesley Riddle.
May 28, 2025 @ 5:36 pm
You are right he hasn’t expressly said it was solely created by blacks but if you had to guess, knowing what he said yesterday and today. And his inclusion on beyonces album and how beyonces team (maybe not beyonce herself) wanted to reclaim country from its racist roots to its real black roots. Which way would you guess he leaned? That it was both or just black creators? Because remember while beyonce said it wasn’t a country album but a beyonce album, her tour set of the album is very country oriented, she is absolutely trying to do as I said, wrestle control of country away from what she wrongly thinks are racist rednecks. Cowboy Carter didn’t feature a ton of white country artists beyond Willie and dolly. It’s overt statement that I think you often miss is the music itself wasn’t country but the message was to a country audience. Singing a Beatles cover, and only featuring black country singers including, wasn’t shaboozy on that track too? Was a clear choice to send a message. The message wasn’t let’s make country more inclusive and bring light to artists that you may have missed. The message clearly was, THIS, is country music. Not a country album but a beyonce album notwithstanding, that was the message of the album. She’s walking around draped in an American flag and talking about “our country music” literally as we speak on tour dates right now.
Given that was what shaboozy signed onto and agreed to be apart of in terms of that album, which way would you guess he leaned. He’s many times talked about black artists in the genre.
I’m going out on a limb here and saying he believes country is a black owned genre.
People are going to rightly have a real issue with that. I certainly do.
Beyonce is about black art and black power. Formation and black power salute at the Super Bowl. Her statements about police and blm, her support of Kamala. All paint a picture of what she believes at heart.
Black supremacy is as evil as white supremacy, it the difference is you don’t have white liberals running interference for white supremacists.
Country should be about the music, period. Anyone including shaboozy who injects race into it, as you said about The NY Times article is asking and begging for a at best vociferous online firestorm of justifiably angry white people who view the author as a black supremacist.
May 28, 2025 @ 5:34 pm
I did not dispute the magnitude of the Bristol Sessions. My dispute is with those who feel country music started then. I will have more to say, I may have the Thorp book handy.
May 29, 2025 @ 3:14 pm
I appreciate your comments. I never got the impression Ken Burns was purporting country music’s origins as stemming from the Bristol sessions. Sure there’s an argument it was a major origin event of commercialized Country Music. Maybe I put too much faith in people to discern facts from rhetoric. Lol. Clearly you are someone I should listen to on the subject.
May 28, 2025 @ 10:41 am
13% of the population performs 50% of the great banjo solos…
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Not terribly country but the Drew Kennedy from last week is good, “She’s looking in mine” lands hard, if’n you’ve met her. If not then I hope you will, and soon.
May 28, 2025 @ 10:55 am
Sounds like a bunch of cultural appropriation.
May 28, 2025 @ 10:56 am
This is so exhausting. Can’t we just enjoy the music?
May 28, 2025 @ 11:52 am
I dunno. I always thought it’s possible to be curious about how something came to be and to enjoy its presence. At the same time, too.
May 28, 2025 @ 10:58 am
Blacks also invented air travel, the internet, and the automobile. no debate to be had.
May 28, 2025 @ 11:28 am
Yep this proves that the comments on this story would be about as intelligent as I expected them to be.
May 28, 2025 @ 11:58 am
you’re obviously racist if you think they didn’t
May 28, 2025 @ 12:50 pm
Don’t forget that Black people also invented white people.
An African scientist named Yakub was experimenting with genetics thousands of years ago and accidentally mutated whites into being.
May 28, 2025 @ 1:23 pm
No more comments on this thread. This is an important and in-depth discussion, and these comments only take away from that.
May 28, 2025 @ 11:24 am
People like to look at everything in a particularly polarizing racial dichotomy, especially today. The fact is poor working class southerners, regardless of of race, were responsible for the creation of a lot of American roots music. Southern soul/ funk is a genre commonly attributed to black musicians- but some of the greatest soul records ever recorded were cut by an all white rhythm section in Muscle Shoals. Booker T and the MGs at Stax had two white and two black members, American studios Memphis Boys were all white while Al Green’s hi rhythm were all black. The creation of country, like other genres in the south definitely had black influence. And its ok to admit that country has been a genre primarily consumed by a white audience for pretty much its entire existence. Like quoted in your article, collaboration and not dichotomy help create a lot of American music.
May 28, 2025 @ 11:50 am
I would argue that black people had a greater contribution overall on popular american music than whites. Jazz and Blues is because of the blacks. There would be no rock music without the blues. Most of the great instrumentation including guitar playing came from black musicians and was appropriated by white people.
My issue with these modern artists claiming ownership of Country because of their distant ancestory is laughable because their own music sucks and is an affront to great black music of the past. It’s also quite obvious that commercially-viable hillbilly music into it’s evolution into Country music has been predominately white.
May 28, 2025 @ 12:52 pm
Blues wouldn’t exist without gospel which came from Hymns which came from Europe.
May 29, 2025 @ 2:49 pm
Lol talk about cultural appropriation. Hymns came from Jews and Egyptians.
May 29, 2025 @ 4:39 pm
Jew hymns. That is a new one.
May 28, 2025 @ 11:46 am
Country is a mix, it ain’t all white and it ain’t all black. This racial divide is just dumb, but a big part of that is on us white fans who piss and moan when Beyonce puts a steel guitar on her record. Just enjoy it, or don’t, but politicizing it is lame. I see Morgan Wallen fans crying about how Shaboozey isn’t country, while listing to Wallen sing over trap beats. The hypocrisy is astounding. If Shaboozey isn’t country, then neither is Wallen. Deal with that. Or just enjoy the damn music. Meanwhile I’ll be over here listening to the best album of the year so far by Mr. Charley Crockett who knows a thing or two about this dumb debate.
May 28, 2025 @ 1:57 pm
The person who made this racial was shaboozey. Similar to how he made “shabooty” racist last year. Listen I like him, but he doesn’t do himself a service by pulling shit like this. Megan said what was correct. The Carter family did basically invent the genre. Same as Hank and Jimmie Rodgers. Those 3 are the biggest foundational elements of the genre we have. All were white. If shaboozey has a problem with that, thats his problem but if you want to make music in the genre you need to know the history. People were making kind of country styled music prior but those 3 took it to a new level. I have no problem saying all 3 basically invented country. Because they did.
The conversation about teetot also misses a valuable caveat. Hank learned guitar from him and we owe teetot a debt of gratitude because without him we wouldn’t have Hank. But did Hank play music LIKE teetot? Similar to how the Beatles learned rock from hearing black blues artists on albums. But was the white album a completely blues album, beyond Yer blues? Was sgt pepper a blues based album? I must have missed that.
The conversation seems to stop at teetot, taught Hank guitar. Like Hank stopped evolving or his style of music was at all similar to teetot at all. Teetot was able to teach guitar but he didn’t write I’m so lonesome I could cry. Luke the drifter style stuff probably isn’t something teetot taught Hank. That was all Hank. Teetot didn’t write those hits either. Teetot sounds like an amazing person. We all owe him so much. But to suggest that it was like a laying of hands where teetot taught Hank to play guitar and Hank was a moron and that’s all is an insane way to view what happened. Hank took the guitar skills he learned from teetot to a level not ever seen then or since. We talk about Hank now the way we do, not because of teetot, but because of Hank. Hank wrote those songs. He sang them. He lived them and he died them. He felt them. That has absolutely nothing to do with teetot, all due respect.
Woke has a clear downside and this is one of them. When you start tearing down, minimizing or ignoring the foundational artists who created this genre, there is no coming back. Either we honor the creators of our genre or we spit on them. There is a no in between. It’s our choice.
May 30, 2025 @ 10:22 am
No, the Carters didn’t invent the genre. They were getting songs from all over the region, from people who were trading songs on porches, who were making their own instruments based on what they had seen or heard, who were learning to play them by what they had seen or heard. They got songs by going to churches and hearing the music made there. They used instruments that came from Europe and Africa and that originated in the Appalachians and in Philadelphia (a bigger influence on country than anyone realizes). The Carters had a big part in consolidating the genre, but their role is closer to that of Ralph Peer than to being inventors.
Yes, Jimmie Rodgers was the first country music star, but he didn’t just pop into existence as a guitarist and yodeler. He worked on the railroad bringing water to gandy dancers and listening to their work songs, he went to vaudeville shows, he worked as a jazz musician. All of that contributed to his musical career.
And Hank? Genius songwriter, amazing singer, but he wasn’t recording until the genre was well established. And even when he was writing and recording, he was building on what came before him.
This whole thing is incredibly stupid – NOBODY invents a genre of music! It grows out of the contributions of many people, all of them different, all of them bringing different things, some of them maybe coming up with a new technique (SOMEONE came up with the Carter scratch, whether it was Mother Maybelle or not), some of them maybe tryin. IF Rocket 88 was the first rock song, it wasn’t because the genre emerged fully formed from Ike Turner, it was because Ike had a deep history with the blues, and Willie Kizart’s amp was distorted, and the guitar was prominent in the mix, and the band was young and messy and that’s pretty rock, and because jump blues and swing were both big and popular and everyone in the band had been influenced by recordings of those, and because Sam Phillips put some retroactive spin on the record (pun not intended but to good to remove).
When you just say “the Carter Family did it”, you’re ignoring so many churches and front porch pickers and styles that emerged in Europe and Africa first and song swaps and writers influencing each other. It’s all built piece by piece, it’s all evolved, it’s all putting existing pieces together in a new way.
Btw, saying that “wokeness” is the problem here is bonkers. This has nothing to do with wokeness and everything to do with it’s just factually incorrect.
May 30, 2025 @ 12:46 pm
Matt,
Though I agree with pretty much everything you said here, I still think that if someone asked you, “Who invented country music?” and only gave you a short widow to answer, “The Carter Family” would not be a bad one. Of course the answer is much, much more complicated. But in the context of an awards show, the line was meant to be a quick summation and complimentary. This wasn’t a Ken Burns documentary. I probably wouldn’t have written the line at all, and I understand why Shaboozey side-eyed it. But in that context, I’m also not sure to call it false.
May 30, 2025 @ 4:37 pm
Thank you, Matt,
For taking the time and the eloquence to say what a lot of us have been wanting to say for a long time.
Well done.
May 29, 2025 @ 9:52 am
Thank you! It’s about time someone spoke some truth. Beyoncé’s album was any more un country than anything Jelly Roll has ever recorded and Shaboozey isn’t any more not country than Morgan Wallen. The issue is, like Kyle has said many times, is that the sanctimonious people that write theses puff pieces about Shaboozey and Beyoncé reclaiming the genre for Black people while ignoring Black artists that have been around for years are more concerned about proving their own bias and the narrative they want to create than actually advocating for more inclusion. If it was really about inclusion, why aren’t they talking about Rhiannon Giddens, Tony Jackson, Mickey Guyton, Chapel Heart, Rissi Palmer, Kashus Cullpepper, the War and Treaty, I could go on and on.
But when white country fans bitch about Shaboozey while praising Morgan Wallen for doing the same things, they’re playing right into those people’s hands.
May 28, 2025 @ 11:54 am
Thank you Trigger for your extensive comments and research about the origins of country music. I’m rehearsing now and will add additional comments later but I would like to mention that John Avery Lomax began writing down the words to the songs he heard @1876 and worked out a system of vocal notation to remember the melodies until he was able to start making recordings years later, first with wax cylinders.
He found “Git Along Little Dogies” and “The Cowboy’s Dream” and others in 1908, learning them from a gypsy who had travelled with the cattle drives as a cook. You can read this in the 2017 reissue of ADVENTURES OF A BALLAD HUNTER, his autobiography.
As to the Lomax family’s contributions, very few know the full extent as they include my grandfather and Alan’s work, my aunt Bess’s (co-writer of M.T.A. and, like alan a National Medal of Arts winner), my father, John Avery Lomax Jr., co-founder of the Houston Folklore Society and manager for ten years of blues Hall of Famer Lightning Hopkins), Alan’s daughter Dr. Anna Lomax Wood who oversees the Association of Cultural Equiry and The Global Jukebox and contributions from others, includinh my late brother, Joe who published the Townes Van Zandt Songbook in 1978 and my son, the late John Nova Lomax who was the main journalist involved in helping Houston become a part of “the Dirty South” movement in rap music.
For this reason I have been presenting the Lomax On Lomax Show to walk attendees through all 149 years.
**Alan recorded Woody in 1940 but was not the first to record him.
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I tried to bring my show to the “Birthplace of Country Music” in Bristol but was ignored, guess they don’t want the truth.
More to come.
May 28, 2025 @ 12:07 pm
And furthermore, all of the Lomaxes are sick of people claiming we “ripped off “ black musicians when if weren’t for us Lead Belly’s songs would have all been stolen by Lonnie Donegan. Alan also made the definitive recordings of Jelly Roll Morton, a founder of Jazz and discovered many other black artists. The family should be celebrated, not vilified. We do not have publishing on ANY of these songs.
May 29, 2025 @ 3:13 pm
Alan Lomax also recorded William McKinley Morganfield singing “I Be’s Troubled” at Stovall’s Plantantion in 1941 for the Library of Congress.Nothing happened then. Seven years later, McKinley moved to Chicago,re-recorded the tune as “I Can’t Be Satisfied” for Aristocrat Records, changed his name to “Muddy Waters”, and, well..the legend began.
May 30, 2025 @ 5:07 pm
Dear Mr. Lomax,
I have been enjoying the fruits of your family’s hard labor since the early 2000s, when I went on a buying spree of CD reissues of your uncle’s field recordings. I’m sure I am only one of many, many thousands of music lovers who are eternally grateful for everything your family has done.
May 28, 2025 @ 12:21 pm
Beyonce is living in your head rent-free.
May 28, 2025 @ 12:21 pm
The only reason I even knew the AMA’s were on last night was that I went to read a Variety article linked to from this very website and they forced it on me in a video window while I was trying to read the article. Clicking the X in the upper right didn’t get rid of it. Neither did minimizing the window. I had to minimize it and then slide the video portion off the screen to read the article without distraction. Very annoying.
May 28, 2025 @ 12:50 pm
Shaboozy seems like a nice guy. Tipsy is one of the biggest country songs, or songs in general of our lifetime so he gets props for that.
As far as his sentiment about this though, and same with people like beyonce and the crew that joined the cowboy carter train to educate us about their country music “history”, yeah I’m not thrilled and I don’t think y’all are either.
Trigger has addressed this many times. The country music hall of fame, and documentaries, books, all point out the influence of black musicians on the genre. Hank Jr certainly has talked about TeeTots influence on his dad, Hank Sr, the most important country artist that ever lived.
That said, what beyonce, and shaboozy and all these woke people fail to understand is, yes, country music isn’t a solely white created or owned genre. But they don’t go a step further and say the next obvious thing, that it’s not solely a black created genre either. It’s dishonest of shaboozy to say otherwise.m, and it slanders a genre he clearly loves.
The Carter family are the first family of country music. They are up there in the top 10 in terms of influence in the genre and its creation. To minimize their influence isn’t being honest about what they created and how they impacted so many.
This music is for all of us. I don’t want people to feel left out of a genre that’s given us so much. All are welcome. But to suggest what shaboozy did, is a slap in the face to the genre, to its fans, and it’s an own goal because country music clearly has given shaboozy so much, both in terms of success and he is clearly a fan of the music
What Megan said is absolutely correct, it would be like if someone said, Babe Ruth basically invented baseball. No, George Herman Ruth didn’t literally come up with the game of baseball but he certainly altered it, made it popular, made it beloved, made it what it is today, in a way no other baseball player before him had before or since.
AP Carter was open about the fact, and we’ve known he’d disappear for years to gather songs from around Appalachia, learning the songs from other musicians, then coming back to Mother Maybelle and Sara. He was open about this. We’ve known this for nearly 100 years. This is the folk and blues way. It’s how songs were transmitted and spread. Melody variations, a huge game of telephone, in a way. Each artist and generation putting their own spin on a melody or lyrics that were passed down through the ages. This isn’t stealing, theft, or deceit.
We need to have an honest and open conversation about what constitutes our culture, our way of life, our history, and our music. Those outside country don’t get to dictate the results. We need to decide, not them. And one of the dictums needs to be revisionist false history like shaboozy or beyonce push needs to be strongly condemned, and outright countered by SCM, its readers and the larger country community as a whole. Shaboozy doesn’t get to tell us the Carter family aren’t important and foundation to the genre, when they actually are. He doesn’t get to belittle or minimize their creations and impact. Shaboozey has a massive hit song. The Carter family completely altered country music, are bedrock artists. It’s like someone discounting the Beatles and saying, the Beatles basically invented rock. We all know they didn’t, but anyone disagreeing with that fact is out of their fucking mind because of the self evident nature of the Beatles impact. Shaboozy and his statement is just as ridiculous.
May 28, 2025 @ 1:35 pm
Another aspect of his comment that is more than a little ridiculous is the comparison he makes. He lists as important are important. He’s right. But they aren’t the Carter family IMPORTANT. Elvis was obviously influenced by many small and at that time unknown to the general public, blues and country and gospel artists. Many of them were black. But none of those artists were Elvis. Elvis was ELVIS. There’s a difference between the artists shaboozy shouts out and the Carter family. The amount of country and folk and religious that the Carter family have impacted and influenced for nearly 100 years is staggering and shocking. I hope people dig into the artists shaboozy is giving props to. This isn’t meant as a slight to them, but they are lesser artists in terms of importance to the genre. Elvis basically invented rock and roll doesn’t discount the many black artists who inspired him, but no one, black or white were then or now able to do what he did. He was a massively popular artist for reason. And it wasn’t that he was white. Similarly. Shaboozy reducing this down to the racial thing is woke dei bullshit and he knows it. It also ignores the massive platform people like Elvis, or the stones, or Led Zeppelin, or so many others gave to the black artists. No one really was checking to see about teetot, blind lemon, Charlie Patton, before the spotlight was brought on them by someone like Robert plant or Clapton who clearly were in love with the artists and the genre. Shaboozy doesn’t seem to get that aspect of it. Would be rather we not discuss or shine a light on the black artists that helped shaped the genre? Because I’d rather those artists be given a spotlight and get their flowers. A band with 10 instagram followers praising Rissi Palmer doesn’t do anything of importance. No one cares. Like at all. But if someone with the influence of a beyonce says check out these artists, as she did, that is massive publicity.
You can’t have it both ways. The Carter family absolutely championed that music, black music, but also European, white folk music too. And they did it in a way, much like a Hendrix or a Beatles that many have tried to duplicate or copy, but no other artist has ever replicated in an authentic way. That is because they themselves were authentic. How many people have tried to sing those songs? Millions. How many totally nailed it? The songs themselves are the story, and they carry on, but has anyone since the Carter’s nailed their style? I can’t name a single one. That should tell you something. Either you want the style of the creators like teetot to be popular and hank sr made it popular. Or you don’t. If you don’t, teetot himself won’t be known. And he should be. He deserves his place in our history. But let’s be crystal clear here, none of us including shaboozy are discussing or even remembering, let alone know who Teetot is without Hank sr. Hank Sr made teetot famous. We know his name because of Hank Sr. If you can’t admit that, you are a dishonest smear merchant who wants to shovel woke shit to the masses. Teetot wouldn’t be angry at Hank, he did been happy for him and happy for the success and he’d himself be playing for big crowds because of Hank. Elvis got the unknown black artists who inspired him praise, a crowd and a spot in history that they rightly deserve. But none would be known without Elvis.
Shaboozy has made a few comments, I think last year he was pissed about the “shabooty”comment at the awards. I can understand his frustration but country award shows make fun of everyone, including the legends. It’s not some racial thing. Much like the trotters and their completely insane reaction to cotton in their dressing room in a part of the country that grows and an entire event about ummm cotton
They blaming it on racism was schizophrenic. Shaboozy seems to have the same view, and seems to view race and racism as the defining and only lens to view life and events. That smacks of naivety and a victim complex at best, and a Trojan horse to inject woke politics into the genre at worst. Not everything involves racism. A person can oppose raps injection into the genre and not be racist. They can also hate Shaboozys album and also not be racist. I’ve said I enjoy Tipsy.
I’m tired of the genre being a way to shoehorn dei woke bullshit like this. As a way to denigrate the influence of both white and black alike to the genre we love. I’m tired of being made to feel Iike shit, like a racist because of events that happened before any of us were even born. I’m tired of racial superiority talk, whether white or black. I’m tired of this genre being used as some kind of pitchfork, to trash groups of people you disagree with. And I’m tired of people m, including people of respect within and without our genre disrespecting, shitting on, lying about, and making up things that never occurred.
This genre should inspire, and change others the way it changed all of us. It’s important. I’d wager nothing is more important. That doesn’t occur if we lie about the foundational elements of the genre.
Country music has controversial, and even despicable artists in its history. It has struggled with things. But if we as a community and industry and genre can’t openly admit that the fucking Carter family is a foundational band in the genre we are fucking finished as a genre and as a society. Those who shame us from wanting to celebrate and honor these fantastic musicians should be shamed, drummed out of the industry and should be if possible fined and the justice department should investigate and imprison them if it’s deemed appropriate. This should not be tolerated or accepted. It’s not just a one off comment or kooky statement. It’s the vilification of every one of us. If that doesn’t fire you up, and make you want to write letters to every label in Nashville to have them forcefully denounce the rhetoric, then you are lost, son.
If you want The NY Times writer, or newly minted hit artists to define our genre and history for us, that’s on you. Either they define it, or we do. I’ve poured too much into this genre to have it defined by someone who wants to minimize an absolutely beloved band. Fuck that.
May 28, 2025 @ 2:04 pm
I’ll argue with any historian on the face of the earth that although country music is an amalgamation of early influence, the colloquial term we know as “country” wasn’t a thing, what the scots Irish were doing in the Appalachia’s, was completely cut off from the Texas troubadour thing, just as the delta blues had nothing and I mean nothing to do with bluegrass fiddle music! The Carter family started what we know as “country music” that term we used to describe the music was first invented to describe their packaged version of this new novelty at the time, the way they picked was unique to them entirely, the way they wrote songs unique to them entirely, and they birthed many babies out of that. What folks strived for was something that resembled that or Jimmie rogers, when they wanted to become a country singer, before Hank of course. My great great grandma Georgia Turner is part of the Lomax anthology, as she was recorded singing the first version of “house of the rising sun”, the holler she’s from was its own special Scots Irish mountain people culture cut off from the rest of the world. To say black people “invented country” is fucking insane and shows true understanding of what even “country music” is.
May 28, 2025 @ 3:49 pm
The problem with what shaboozy said isn’t that he champions black musicians in the genre. Or ones who have been forgotten or not given their due credit. He’s well within his right to do so, and should be applauded for it.
That’s not at issue.
The issue is he and others like him, and beyonce, seem to view this SOLELY as a black created genre, that whites played no part in its creation: their argument boils down to: whites stole a black sound from black creators by stealing songs written by blacks and turning them into white songs and then becoming rich off it. I agree with you THAT is completely fucking insane and should be viewed as heresy on this page.
It’s funny how he seems to have an issue with the idea that whites created this genre, but has no problem claiming blacks did. Which is nuts. I’m sorry but unless I’m mistaken, the person who wrote Hank’s songs, was Hank himself. Blacks had no role in that. Like, at all. He wasn’t sitting around waiting for some black person to mention whippoorwill and then maliciously use it in a song. No he came up with that, himself.
But black people absolutely did play a part in country’s creation.
We need to move beyond the idea that just because someone teaches someone some songs, that the person who was taught those songs has no agency or autonomy as a result.
Hank and the Carter family created songs that were popular because they themselves were involved in them and embodied them in a way no other artist could. And this doesn’t even have to do with race. Hurt by NIN and Cash’s cover are two completely different songs and even Trent reznor said it’s now cash’s song. Cash embodied it in a way Trent never could. Elvis embodied the music in a way others he was influenced by never could. Hank and the Carter family embodied the music in a way no other artist ever could.
May 28, 2025 @ 2:37 pm
Leslie Riddle was a PRESERVATIONIST and INTERPRETOR of music other people had written, and he shared in that task with AP Carter who spearheaded the entire task. Leslie Riddle didn’t invent anything. Big difference in inventing vs preserving or interpreting.
Just got back from DelFest this weekend. Del McCoury is a huge fan of Celtic music. He did a tour with The Chieftains about 15 years ago. This weekend at his own festival he invited two excellent Celtic bands, Jig Jam and Gaelic Storm. Why? Because he understands the roots of what he plays are found in the Celtic sound, brought over by Scotch-Irish immigrants. Jigs and Reels and Hoe-downs and fiddles came here from Europe.
The black contribution to Country Music nonetheless is there, in the banjo and in people like Riddle who helped PRESERVE music, and in people like TeeTot who taught Hank the guitar. Also, Jimmie Rodgers listened to the blues and it shaped his sound. So, as Trig asserts, both things can be true.
May 28, 2025 @ 3:38 pm
That’s kind of the entire point though. No one denies the importance of riddle and teetot. It’s openly celebrated. As it should be. The whole point was shaboozy made it like the Carter family shouldn’t be celebrated too. And as said upthread there are artists, big artists, massive artists and super massive supernova stars. While the Carter family obviously weren’t sales behemoths, the impact their music had on culture, society, the music world, gospel, religious music, country, folk and blues music, even pop is one of the most important in music history. Few artists can claim their impact.
Teetot and riddle while important didn’t invent country music. They didn’t play country music. They played blues music. The Carter family took a style of music that was obscure and niche and turned it into a genre. That is literally what Megan said, and she’s right. They, Hank and Jimmie Rodgers all had a Beatles esque impact in our genre.
Shaboozy can name a ton of artists who have been overlooked, and can correctly call for them to be given praise. But the issue he and his supporters don’t get is that not every overlooked artist is Hank or the Beatles. Sometimes overlooked artists are merely good. And that’s fine. But Im not going to let someone tell me harry gay or Steve tarter are equal in impact, importance and mastery of craft as say a Hank or Carter family. It’s just a ridiculous argument to make. Anyone who listens can hear it. The Carter family is a legendary musical group of utmost importance and impact that reverberated through the ages. Harry gay and Steve tarter are good. For anyone to suggest these are the same thing and of similar quality and importance is mentally ill thinking
May 30, 2025 @ 11:46 am
What in these two tweets makes it sound like he thinks the Carter family shouldn’t be celebrated?
“When you uncover the true history of country music, you find a story so powerful that it cannot be erased…”
and
“The real history of country music is about people coming together despite their differences, and embracing and celebrating the things that make us alike.”
Yes, the Carters had a massive influence and they did so much work to popularize country music that was already being performed on porches and in churches all over Appalachia. That’s not the same thing as inventing country music.
Look at the iPhone. Apple didn’t invent anything, touch screens already existed, cell phones already existed, data over cell signal already existed. But nobody had quite combined those things in a way that was accessible and popular, and then everyone saw that they could do that too. Same deal with the Carters. The Carters got recorded and had the right combination of skills and sound on that recording, but all of those other artists that Ralph Peer recorded were playing the same style of music and they had never heard Carter family records before.
May 28, 2025 @ 3:24 pm
Thoughtful articles like this are exactly why I have been following this website for so long. Kudos to the author.
May 28, 2025 @ 5:15 pm
“The effort these days is not by White supremacists attempting to erase the Black legacy from country music. It’s often Black activists looking to eradicate the White legacy in country, which will not only be ineffective because it’s incorrect, it will only inspire more racism as country music looks to move on from its past issues with race. The other effort is to ensconce established pop and hip-hop stars like Beyoncé at the top of the country genre at the expense of its native performers, Black or White.”
Trigger nails it as always. I’m shocked the comments aren’t filled with people like trigger and myself who are fired up about this. This part of the article absolutely nails what’s going on, there absolutely is an effort by some woke people in the industry, in media, and some fans and even some artists themselves to erase all white impact and legacy in country music. That isn’t racial justice or a fight for equality, it’s trading in the evil of white supremacy for the equally evil black supremacy.
It’s also laughable in a huge way. Deford had a legitimate claim he was treated poorly because of his race. I’ve not seen a single instance of this with either Beyoncé or shaboozey. Shaboozey isn’t being blackballed from events (not should he be, he has a right to be there), he’s not some unknown black artist toiling in obscurity. He’s not being shunned, he literally gets media invites everywhere, including being a presenter here. So I’m unsure where white supremacy in country music exists in 2025. Certainly not here and in this instance. Country music has been more than generous to shaboozey. In fact he has a legacy with just tipsy, that overshadows many many artists who have been in the industry for decades, including many white artists. The majority of white country artists including the big names of the moment will never have a hit song do what tipsy did. In fact the majority of artists in any genre of any race won’t have a hit song do that.
I get the sometimes prickly history of our genre, but this and his “shabooty” meltdown last year scream ungrateful and rude to me, to a genre and fanbase in country music that has awarded him more than we give artists who are in the genre their entire lives. Dolly, willie, strait and Alan Jackson are as decorated as anyone ever was and will be in our genre. They’ve spent their entire lives making music for us. Yet not a single one had a song do what tipsy did.
Maybe shaboozy should show a little more grace and gratefulness to us and the genre instead of shaming us.
My feeling is as a result of all this, shaboozey will quietly be shunned and ignored. Not as a result of his skin color, as already stated a genre that is irredeemable racists doesn’t make a black musician stay at number one for 19 weeks. No, he will be shunned because no one wants to work with an ungrateful brat who whines even when given the greatest honors musicians can ever receive.
I’m tired of people entering or genre and then shitting on us and us not only allowing it, but making excuses for those who treat us like shit. He had his reasons, he has a point! No he really doesn’t.
May 28, 2025 @ 5:22 pm
Too bad these white and black Country artits didn’t bond to kill Jim Crow,but..
May 28, 2025 @ 5:52 pm
All of this yammering about Shaboozey and the speculation has worn me out.
Let’s not forget that commercial radio did not begin until 1921 and by 1927 the Carters and Rodgers and others were able to gain far wider exposure than was ever possible until then.
May 28, 2025 @ 8:48 pm
Thank you for the historical breakdown. Thinking of picking up a book to learn more if you have recommendations.
I also don’t feel that is unreasonable for Black artists to fear their contributions to not only country music but society in general are being downplayed or erased. 44 states have introduced or passed bills in the past few years limiting discussion of race and slavery in schools. The current administration has introduced orders attempting to scrub Black history from government websites and archives. I don’t think being colorblind and trying to forget our differences helps us, especially when those differences are being exploited and attacked.
Defining country music as either a racist genre or a completely colorblind one that is a nonracist utopia is a false analogy. It dismisses the unity AND segregation of the mixed communities in the South, West, and Appalachia that created it. I personally think that biggest enemy to country today is hypercommercialization that dilutes the genre to be more marketable or discourages working class people of all races from talking about their stories in depth. basically blah blah blah Nashville is bad. Thanks again
May 28, 2025 @ 9:37 pm
“The current administration has introduced orders attempting to scrub Black history from government websites and archives.”
Provide specific examples, along with citing sources.
May 29, 2025 @ 6:37 am
https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/04/10/trump-administrations-assaults-black-history
May 29, 2025 @ 8:29 am
Awwww, activist Trey Walk spouting he/him/his narrative.
May 29, 2025 @ 10:30 am
Exactly what I expected, either sadly or happily.
If you’ve ever heard of it, you might think to consult Google next time you’re tempted to attack someone who turns out to know more about an issue than you do. Google would point you to all the documentation you need to inform yourself even if at the moment you don’t know it exists. The latest citations on the list were published in recent days, in fact.
Maybe, now knowing of such resources and the reality they document, you will rush to join the ranks of principled citizens and fact champions who condemn this Orwellian effort to silence inconvenient history. (Just kidding, of course. Obviously, we expect nothing less than for you to double down.)
I must say, however, that I do look forward to your further efforts to bluff yourself out of this one.
May 29, 2025 @ 8:35 pm
Interesting link provided. I think Di is right to question it being authoritative. Trey Walk makes a living finding racism (and you can help him find and fight more of it by donating on HRW). How many agencies and employees report to the administration? This guy found one that might have f’d up. I don’t know enough about what happened there, but I’m willing to bet that the interpretation is completely bad faith, without any nuance or context, exaggerated, designed to get clout, generate outrage, and in this case, lead to a donation or grant). Just like the interpretation of the order in the first place. And for the record, there are plenty of activists on the right that do the same thing. Providing a link from any of them as some sort of proof would be equally questionable.
Just on a basic common sense level, I find it odd that the same guy trying to “scrub black history” said at his 2025 inauguration: “Today is Martin Luther King Day. And his honor — this will be a great honor. But in his honor, we will strive together to make his dream a reality. We will make his dream come true.” Why isn’t that more well known?
None of this is to say that racism doesn’t exist, or that the current administration shouldn’t be questioned, but my god we should be more skeptical of people that make a living off of always taking the worst possible out of context interpretation of something for personal gain or other motives. Be it Tressie McMillan Cottom, Trey Walk, or any of the many journalists / activists that Trigger has battled over the years when they try to find and sensationalize any dubious “problematic” infraction (like someone getting caught reciting rap lyrics).
May 29, 2025 @ 1:33 pm
For sure I can!
You can read the executive order from March itself:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/restoring-truth-and-sanity-to-american-history/
And this podcast explains what has happened with the NPS more in depth:
https://seattlemedium.com/national-park-service-erasing-black-history/
May 29, 2025 @ 9:10 am
Removing the fraudulent 1619 Project is not downplaying contributions. Black statues aren’t being removed.
May 29, 2025 @ 10:18 am
And beyond that the whole theory of the project was that Americas entire founding was totally and completely centered around slavery. That’s just completely false horseshit. Project 1619 is a total lie. It’s more dei crt bullshit.
May 29, 2025 @ 10:02 am
“Defining country music as either a racist genre or a completely colorblind one that is a nonracist utopia is a false analogy.”
100% agree, and people asserting either of these things are helping to stoke racism by painting an inauthentic picture.
That’s the reason the only way to really present this information is in a detailed, nuanced perspective.
May 29, 2025 @ 10:12 am
Do you think things have changed? Country music in 1952 was wildly different compared to country music in 2025, right? There certainly are country artists who have experienced racism, but it’s kind of shocking how non serious a lot of the replies here are given the wildly successful short career shaboozey has had in country music. I’m sure he wants a long career and I hope he does have one. But the idea he’s being marginalized. Or ignored is fucking absurd. You know damn well how many country artists have ever had a hit song with the success of tipsy. He’s literally the only one. So forgive me if the idea of racism is completely fucking ridiculous to me. I mean the woke couldn’t have picked a worse example. DeFord absolutely. Charley pride, maybe. But fucking shaboozey? You serious right now? The guy in a single fucking year has had success most white country singers will never have. How many songs has Alan Jackson had that have gone number one for 19 weeks? King George? Willie? Loretta? The idea that shaboozey is some lonely, poor, absolutely dejected person being spat on is downright mentally ill thinking.
Shaboozey should show more grace and gratefulness to all of us and the industry. Maybe he wouldn’t get this reaction if that was his operating mentality.
May 29, 2025 @ 11:32 am
“Defining country music as either a racist genre or a completely colorblind one that is a nonracist utopia is a false analogy.”
I agree. Having said that there are a lot of commenters on this site that have some quite unpleasant opinions towards the black community as witnessed here. I imagine that must be quite disheartening for you.
May 29, 2025 @ 12:30 pm
If individuals make outright racist statements in this comments section, they get deleted. If people signal they’re actual racists, I make it clear they’re not welcome here.
But understanding that as a traditional country music website, you’re going to get readers here who might not be as open-minded about race and you or I would like them to be, I take this as a charge and a responsibility, and the is why I take the time to talk about race and country music so in-depth, make sure to underscore that Black people were involved in The Bristol Sessions, that’s they’ve be integral to country music from the beginning, and talk about their contributions, from Lesley Riddle, to Tee-Tot, to DeFord Bailey.
I also think that’s why it’s important to be accurate. When someone says that The Carter Family basically ripped of Lesley Riddle and were fraudsters, this isn’t battling against racism like theythink they are, this stokes racism because it make people feel like their cultural institutions are under assault. I linked to a mega viral Tik-Tok video in the article that really underscores this. These people thing they’re “exposing” country’s racism when in reality they’re just stoking it from White music fans, AND Black music fans by pushing the canard the music was stolen from them.
https://www.tiktok.com/@beysus.christ/video/7345565793230261546?_d=secCgYIASAHKAESPgo87PFBNm%2BX1m0gkmpEZ%2B0I8cg0WX8sgu%2F7p%2Fc8tRnAfCpanIf4Kv3Lnjv0cmjuK1p7demyx7lEXxAYRAw%2FGgA%3D&_r=1&share_app_id=1233&share_item_id=7345565793230261546×tamp=1711036640&u_code=db8a5i94hail4m&utm_campaign=client_share&utm_source=short_fallback
Here’s another:
https://www.tiktok.com/@queeenmangoo/video/7509225850227723551?_d=secCgYIASAHKAESPgo87PFBNm%2BX1m0gkmpEZ%2B0I8cg0WX8sgu%2F7p%2Fc8tRnAfCpanIf4Kv3Lnjv0cmjuK1p7demyx7lEXxAYRAw%2FGgA%3D&_r=1&share_app_id=1233&share_item_id=7345565793230261546×tamp=1711036640&u_code=db8a5i94hail4m&utm_campaign=client_share&utm_source=short_fallback
A simple look at the timeline disproves all of this.
May 29, 2025 @ 12:36 pm
“If people signal they’re actual racists, I make it clear they’re not welcome here.”
Lmao, no you do not. You’ve created a safe space for racism.
June 1, 2025 @ 7:04 am
Saying something is racist doesn’t make it racism.
Thomas Sowell’s quote about ketchup comes to mind.
May 29, 2025 @ 10:04 am
Agreed, it is shocking how country music treated shaboozey. He is banned from attending events and isn’t allowed in country spaces. Oh wait, he actually was a presenter here. Country musicians treat him like shit. Oh wait, everyone that I’ve read about in country music has only positive things to say about shaboozey. He isn’t played on the radio and is completely ignored by Nashville and the country public. Oh, oh, oh, wait, he had one of the biggest hit songs ever, 19 weeks at number one, making it one of the most successful country songs ever and one of the most successful songs all genre ever.
He is wildly mistreated because of his skin, I agree. Seems like he’s being treated like shit! How could they do this to shaboozey! How could they do this?
May 29, 2025 @ 10:25 am
“ I don’t think being colorblind and trying to forget our differences helps us, especially when those differences are being exploited and attacked.”
So you think we should focus on people’s race? Or treat people different based on skin color? This is news to me. In school I was literally taught we are equal and that skin color shouldn’t matter. That content of character mattered not skin color. Some unknown guy said that. I can’t remember who said it. But probably some nobody!
May 29, 2025 @ 6:49 am
I’m only somewhat knowledgeable about the subject of origins, but my understanding is that early record producers created an artificial split between black music (blues) and white music (hillbilly) that is now referred to as “race records.” In fact, many of these musicians outside of the “studio” would play all different kinds of songs and didn’t see these distinctions. Robert Johnson, for example, is known almost exclusively for blues because that’s what was recorded. But it’s documented that he played other styles as well and actually had an pretty expansive repertoire.
On a similar note, I don’t know that there’s all that much genre distinction to be made between, say, The Carter Family, Leadbelly, and Woody Guthrie. Nowadays that is all considered “folk.”
“Country music” is arguably just a marketing category that makes less and less sense to use as time marches on. Americana is often criticized for too much blending of genres, but that could also be looked at as the natural state of things before marketing gets involved.
Just some food for thought.
May 29, 2025 @ 8:42 am
Similar to the legacy of Lesley Riddle, you see a lot of folks cite the split of “hillbilly music” and “race records” on charts as the reasons country music became considered primarily as a White art form. Though I agree this definitely lent to some of this perception, I also think this is often oversimplified. Really, this deserves its own article. But first, there were definitely sonic differences between Hank Williams and Jimmie Rodgers, and Robert Johnson and Lead Belly. All had blues influences in their music, but it clearly sounds like two separate approaches and genres simply listening with your ear.
Also, what many folks fail to mention is that for a while, “Hillbilly” and “Race Records” actually were put on the same chart together as sort of the “also rans” of American popular music when it was jazz and Big Band music that was the most popular music at the time. So these cohorts got lumped together before they got separated.
But I also think it’s important to note that all of this happened 100 years ago. 50 years ago, the most popular artist in country music was a Black guy, Charley Pride. So that Rubicon was crossed many years ago. But Black artists and Black audiences still didn’t find as much appeal as they did in other genres, and so there wasn’t a reckoning with race and country music.
Also, as recently as the ’90s, Billboard had a “Hot Black Songs” chart that literally charted artists based on race. Did they do this to segregate Black performers? No, they did it to emphasize Black performers.
I’m not saying that the designations on charts and marketed didn’t lend to a natural segregation of country music as a predominantly White art form. My guess is it did. But I don’t think it was nearly as powerful as the natural preference people find in listening to artists who share their same experience in race and culture, Black or White. Music is a cultural expression, and whether it’s in the United States or anywhere else, ethnicity and geography play huge roles in how that music appeals to people.
May 29, 2025 @ 10:21 am
Urban was also a racial code word for Black
May 29, 2025 @ 7:47 am
I’ve always felt the beginning of recorded country music was Ralph Peer recording “The old hen cackled” by Fiddlin John Carson. Ralph Peer is a monster in the world of recorded music. He’s there at the genesis of country music and the genesis of “race records” with Mamie Smith.
May 29, 2025 @ 8:15 am
There are genres that overlap (e.g., rockabilly, Western swing) and some that are so distinctly themselves that they don’t answer to more than one identification, and even that statement needs a degree of qualification, since no form of music has no history.
In my judgment “country” ought to be preserved for the commercial genre given that name in the 1950s, though it came into being with Jimmie Rodgers and imitators three decades earlier. And yes, “country” has been outdated for quite a while. I’m not even sure you can accurately label it “blue-color suburb” anymore. The stuff on the radio, which sounds like a grab-bag of pop strains, is mostly unmoored from any coherent notion or geography.
As definitions go, though, I am particularly enamored of the late Mike Seeger’s: “Old-time is what the folk call folk music.”
May 29, 2025 @ 11:59 am
Mr. Jerome Clark,
Going to give you a wonderful opportunity to research Harriet Tubman.
She is an historical treasure.
Would pull quite from a 5th grade research paper on Ms. Tubman, but know without uncertainty that this exercise will benefit you.
Let’s get to it. Trey Walk wants to bring up Ms. Tubman? To use today’s vernacular, let’s do it.
Surely you are an consummate researcher. This should not take long. Although, i would suggest that you give yourself a few hours to digest exactly what Ms. Tubman put on the line.
“The latest citations on the list were published in recent days, in fact.”
Ok, great!
Show me exactly where there is legislation, to remove Ms. Tubman from history.
I caution you not to vomit the Woke and the Worthless playbook directives.
You need to provide solid proof.
I want a bill no. The names of the politicians legislating against Ms. Tubman, etc.
I want facts.
And, Ah, ah, ah. No name calling or dealing in insults against a commenter.
We’re going to deal in facts.
May 29, 2025 @ 2:07 pm
Naively hoping you were sincere on some level, I provided you with an article (and a search mechanism) offering plenty of citations to document the administration’s efforts to scrub Black history, the very reality of which efforts you challenged without — obviously — knowing what you were talking about.
As you’ve grown ever crankier, you’ve continued your boycott of search mechanisms (and, I infer, of all news media that fail their responsibility to recycle far-right buzz phrases in endless loop; call it reactionary woke).This is not a good look for you.
Hard as you may find it to believe, I have better things to do than to educate you, if that’s even possible. I do hope you’re attempting to do something more positive with your life. You always seem so angry, and you never seem to learn anything.
Now it turns out that as you seek subtly to switch the subject, your ignorance is everybody’s fault but yours. Now you want me to do your homework so that you can hurl a whole new set of charges at those of us who don’t live in your cloistered world. Nice try. No thanks.
May 29, 2025 @ 2:40 pm
: D Totally lame response.
Utterly predictable.
May 29, 2025 @ 4:08 pm
You poor little thing.
Dealing in nothing but insults.
I am quite happy, extremely positive, and not stupid.
I took it a step further with the link you provided and did a little research on Trey Walk, very prominently featured in the hrw.org link you provided.
May 29, 2025 @ 4:09 pm
No more comments on this thread.
May 29, 2025 @ 8:58 am
Hank33,black Africans invented fire so they didn’t have to eat uncooked food ala the era’s Europeans.Look it up,boyo !!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 29, 2025 @ 10:26 am
I am sure that is correct.
Only the highly superior African race could have invented an element that is so important in our everyday lives.
May 29, 2025 @ 12:03 pm
This is exactly the type of comments that trigger has encouraged on SCM. Sad to see.
May 29, 2025 @ 12:42 pm
“Not sure why I’m getting lumped in here. I’ve been challenging the notion that Shaboozey is trying to say country music is “all Black.” Isimply brought up the context of The Carter Family and Lesley Riddle.”
Can’t reply to you directly above. From my reading of your article, Shaboozey didn’t mention Riddle, others on social media have, but you added that context into his original statement and seemed to apply that as reasoning for what he was saying. At least that’s how it read to me.
May 29, 2025 @ 10:04 pm
“ Alan Lomax was also the first to record Woody Guthrie in 1941”
In an article about the factually correct history of country music you yourself seem to be getting things wrong.
This is certainly not true since Woody’s professionally recorded studio album Dust Bowl Ballads came out in 1940.
Discs with recordings of Guthrie made in 1939 prior to his move to New York have been discovered. These were likely made by Will Greer during his time spent with Guthrie and gay rights activist Harry Hay in California.
May 30, 2025 @ 12:52 pm
Thanks for bringing my attention to that line. That information came from John Lomax III. He might have simply meant that was the first time Alan Lomax recorded Guthrie, not Guthrie’s first recording, or he might have the date wrong. Either way, I took the line out of the article since it really has little to do with the topic at hand. Again, presenting John Lomax III’s perspective here is simply to illustrate that to certain people, saying The Bristol Sessions are where country music began is a rather simplistic notion that deserves greater context.
May 30, 2025 @ 4:19 am
I get profoundly annoyed by the current narrative bobbing around in the aftermath of Cowboy Carter that Country Music is the secret, sole creation of black people. It is being propagated by people with basically no interest in the history of country music, who paradoxically claim to know everything about it.
This isn’t to say that black music isn’t an important ingredient of what ultimately became country music — but the narrative that’s being accepted lacks any nuanced understanding of the history of the genre. It lacks a basic feeling for the history of American music more generally.
Shaboozey pretending that he has a better story to tell about the history of country music, without ever saying what that story is, gives license to any old idiot on the street to follow suit. And you won’t get much pushback from the country music establishment!
May 30, 2025 @ 7:26 am
Well stated. 15 minutes ago so many of these folks didn’t care about country music. Now they’ve been convince they’re the rightful heirs to it.
May 30, 2025 @ 7:43 am
This might help explain things:
“Everyone is thirsting over Shaboozey at the Met Gala 2025: ‘Got that shabooty’”
https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/06/shaboozey-met-gala-2025/