‘New York Times’ Column Offers Angry, Inaccurate Take on Race and Country Music

It remains an unfortunate aspect of the modern media landscape that whenever higher institutions broach the subject of country music, it’s commonly done by someone uniquely unqualified to speak on the matter, peddling empirically false and easily disprovable misnomers, with a sneering, down-looking attitude towards the genre, its fans, and its performers, and often with an overt political agenda, while neither soliciting nor entertaining counter-viewpoints from people who can speak about country music with knowledge, authority, or from a perspective challenging their own.
This practice is frustratingly common, but was much more prevalent in previous years, reaching a fevered pitch during the pandemic, and in the aftermath of Morgan Wallen’s N-word incident in February of 2021. It has since ratcheted down, especially after the political project launched during President Trump’s first term by academics and political apparatchiks to reshape the rural American electorate from red to blue through co-opting country music as a political tool spectacularly failed and backfired, resulting in the re-election of Trump, and the “vibe shift” in American culture.
But in an unusually angry and uninformed opinion column published in The New York Times on May 18th, PhD, professor, author, and MacArthur “Genius Grant” Award Recipient Tressie McMillan Cottom asks “The Country’s Gone Country. What Gives?”
Not only are multiple assertions made in the column categorically false, they’re so irresponsible, they have the opportunity to be devastatingly counter-productive to the efforts by people throughout the country music community attempting to institute racial equality, potentially setting back those efforts by years. The only saving grace for the column is that it’s perhaps so seething in its anger, so misinformed, and since it’s set behind a paywall at a newspaper that already has lost so much credibility, nobody will take it seriously. This is the best case scenario The New York Times, Tressie McMillan Cottom, and her surrogates can hope for.
The article starts off with some false, but common misnomers. Cottom cites Beyoncé’s Cowboy Carter as a Grammy-winning country album. Cowboy Carter was Grammy winning, and it even won the Grammy for Best Country Album. But as Beyoncé said herself on March 20th, 2024, “This ain’t a country album. It’s a Beyoncé album.” Asserting the album is country is an insult to Beyoncé’s artistic intent. And this wasn’t just the assessment of Saving Country Music. NPR, The Washington Post, The Ringer, and other outlets concluded the same thing.
Cottom herself has claimed she’s received a lot of feedback from the article pushing back on her claim Cowboy Carter is country. Anyone who wants to dive deeper into Cowboy Carter country question can do so in the article Dispelling The Myth That Beyoncé’s Cowboy Carter is a Country Album, or via the video below.
The New York Times column goes on to talk about how all kinds of artists are getting into country music, including Ed Sheeran, Lana Del Rey, and Snoop Dogg. But Snoop Dogg has not made any kind of pronouncement of intent to “go country.” He simply performed a song with Ernest recently that happened to be surprisingly country. Saying Snoop Dogg is “going country” is a good example of multiple assertions from the column that are just flat out wrong, yet are embedded into the article to help bolster the opinion.
Another example of this is the very next point the column makes, saying: “Occam’s razor would chalk their genre-switching up to politics: American pop culture typically goes country when the White House goes Republican.”
Again, Snoop Dogg is not switching genres. For all we know, neither is Ed Sheeran or Lana Del Rey. They might be making one-off country-adjacent projects, just like Beyoncé did. But nobody expects the next album from Beyoncé to be country. Ed Sheeran isn’t even American.
More importantly though, the timing of Tressie McMillan Cottom’s Republican assertion is all off. The genre-crossing albums from Beyoncé and Post Malone were released during the Biden Administration. That’s also when the country efforts by Ed Sheeran and Lana Del Rey were instigated. The popular country resurgence unquestionably first took form during the Biden years, not in the last few months since Trump took office.
But beyond these finer points, it’s the fourth paragraph of The New York Times column that is so full of categorically false assertions, it completely undermines any and all credibility the article could attempt to cobble together through it’s borderline incoherent and often conflicting arguments. Tressie McMillan Cottom attempts to forward to the public,
To understand the tension at the heart of country music, it helps to look at a holy trinity of artists widely lauded for country music’s resurgence with mainstream audiences: Jelly Roll, Morgan Wallen and Zach Top. These good ol’ boys — and they are all boys — aren’t outlaw country. They are “8 Mile” country, white acts making country inflected with contemporary Black music for mass audiences. Where Jelly Roll and Wallen’s country is hip-hop inflected, Top is channeling 1980s big-hat, traditional male country singers. Their success, though, is cut from the same cloth. These aren’t country music outsiders storming the gates. They are anointed by the industry as the genre’s white, male saviors … They’re saving country music from the musical summer I am having.
There are so many falsehoods in the above paragraph, it’s hard to know where to start dissecting. But let’s start with the idea that Jelly Roll, Morgan Wallen, and Zach Top are the “holy trinity of artists widely lauded for country music’s resurgence.” This quote makes it seem like these three are unquestionably country music’s top stars, or the catalysts for its current popularity. But Zach Bryan blows Jelly Roll and Zach Top out of the water with streams, sales, and touring purses by many multipliers. On September 27th, Zach Bryan will be playing the biggest single ticketed show in North American history at Michigan Stadium.
So why is Zach Bryan not included in the conversation? Because you can’t claim he’s “anointed by the industry,” nor that he’s not an “outsider.” Zach Bryan clearly rose to popularity without the help of the Nashville, Music Row system. This undercuts Cottom’s entire argument.
You would also have to at least mention Luke Combs in this conversation as well. And though Lainey Wilson might not be as commercially successful, she has now won Entertainer of the Year trophies from both the CMA and ACM Awards—country’s biggest accolade. Simply put, when asked who country music’s three biggest stars are at the moment, everyone might agree on Morgan Wallen at #1, but few if anyone would agree the other two names are Jelly Roll and Zach Top to where you could call them a “holy trinity.”
But the most ludicrous assertion that any country fan will laugh out loud about is when the column lumps in Zach Top with “…acts making country inflected with contemporary Black music for mass audiences.” Cottom does go on to say Top is also “channeling 1980s big-hat, traditional male country singers.” But the way she words the paragraph seems to be saying Top is making songs “inflected with contemporary Black music” too.
Also, even if you chalk up the Zach Top characterization to bad wording, Zach Top is not inspired by 1980s country. Top is known for his ’90s country sound, which might only be a decade apart, but is a world away in influence. For more information, you can read Understanding Zach Top and Neotraditionalist Country Music, or watch the video below.
The NYT column goes on to state about Morgan Wallen, Jelly Roll, and Zach Top, “These aren’t country music outsiders storming the gates. They are anointed by the industry as the genre’s white, male saviors.”
First off, who ever claimed these artists were “outsiders storming the gates“? Certainly, a strong case could be made that Morgan Wallen was “anointed by the industry.” You might could even claim that about Jelly Roll, though Cottom fails to mention that Jelly Roll spent nearly 20 years as a hip-hop and rock artist and had a massive following before moving into the country market. That definitely seems like an imperative part of this conversation.
And critical to Jelly Roll’s rise has been his championing by the media, and specifically by the media outside of country music, including The New York Times pop writer Jon Caramonica. Pop and hip-hop writers outside of country have been promoting Jelly Roll as the type of sonic “diversity” that country music needs to broaden its appeal, because these writers often loathe actual country music and actual country fans. Listeners native to country tend to disfavor Jelly Roll. Similar to Beyoncé, most of Jelly Roll’s chart success is simply measuring consumption outside of country fandom that is then published on country charts due to Billboard’s 2012 rule changes.
As for Zach Top, was he “anointed by the industry”? Absolutely not. Top is a traditionalist on an independent, upstart label (Leo33) who caught viral momentum on social media that the industry then accepted due to his viral appeal. Overall, lumping these three artists together is a disservice to them all, and stereotyping of all country music performers.
But none of this is the worst thing this paragraph from the NYT column contains. When Tressie McMillan Cottom says, “These good ol’ boys — and they are all boys” and then calls them “white acts making country inflected with contemporary Black music for mass audiences.” she’s doing much more than spreading misnomers based off her novice understanding and knowledge of country music. She is making expressly down-looking, dehumanizing, degrading, diminutive statements with the purpose of characterizing these artists as inferior human beings.
There is absolutely no need or reason to state about Zach Top, Morgan Wallen, and Jelly Roll that “they are all boys” except to insult and cut them down. This is open-faced bigotry, and potentially, racism, underscored by how Cottom capitalizes “Black” and leaves “white” lower case. The way the column also uses “whiteness” numerous times as a pejorative emphasizes the bigoted perspective she brings to this discussion. “Boy” is meant as a derogatory epithet, and underscores the surprising anger that’s palpable throughout the article.
Granted, both Morgan Wallen and Jelly Roll have criminal records, and have engaged in questionable behavior in their lives, though a redemption story is very much at the heart of Jelly Roll’s mass appeal. However, Zach Top has none of that behavior in his past, and has no reason to have his character questioned.
The article states early on, “Every interloper from outside the Nashville machine who flocks to the genre has to choose which version of country music they will embody: reactionary whiteness or reparative multiracialism.”
But what Tressie McMillan Cottom is engaging in with her dehumanizing language is directly damaging to the ongoing efforts at reparative multiracialism within the country genre. The New York Times article stokes more racism than it challenges.
There are also certain things that Tressie McMillan Cottom states in the column that are generally correct. She proclaims, “A generation of Black country artists that has been making music in the trenches is more than ready to serve it up to [audiences],” citing Rhiannon Giddens, The War & Treaty, and others specifically. This is true, though it goes far beyond this assessment to performers like Charley Crockett and Aaron Vance who get excluded from these conversations since they’re not mainstream facing.
It’s fair to clarify that Rhiannon Giddens has received opportunities to step into being a mainstream country artist. But aside from her collaborations with Eric Church and Beyoncé, Giddens has purposely side stepped those opportunities to stay authentic to herself, something she spoke specifically about recently. So characterizing any Black artist who has not reached superstar status as being the victim of racism is not always accurate.
These characterizations can also be inadvertently diminutive when you have an artist like Rhiannon Giddens who puts her integrity first and focuses on preserving tradition before concerning herself with the commercial application of her music. Insinuating that she is unaccomplished simply because she has not attained a conventional notion of superstardom is to misunderstand her career goals. Rhiannon Giddens has enjoyed an incredible career full of recognition and accolades.
Tressie McMillan Cottom correctly calls out the “Nashville aesthetic” as “…a cross between rural cosplay and high school prom court.” At one point she states, “Ignore what country music is singing. That’s mostly garbage anyway,” which many readers of a website like Saving Country Music would generally agree with when considering the country mainstream.
Cottom also states accurately that “artists [who] make music so sonically country that the twang makes your bicuspids itch, the industry uses aesthetic authenticity to push them into niche markets, like folk and Americana.”
It’s definitely true that more traditional and roots-based country artists are often pushed to Americana in an action that can feel very “othering.” Interestingly, Tressie McMillan Cottom served on the Board of Directors for the Americana Music Association in 2022 and 2023. I saw her speak at AmericanaFest in 2022 in hopes she could represent an important perspective on race in American roots music.
Instead—similar to The New York Times column—Cottom presented a laundry list of misnomers about country music that despite her passion for the subject, speak to a completely uninformed opinion from a person unwilling to devote the time to the topic that it takes to understand the nuance of race and the country genre. Cottom simply serves up rehashed race-based bromides and social media applause points, without offering any sort of solutions, let alone structural guidance of how we’re supposed to address the issues she hyperbolically serves up, and in a way that disrespects their complexity.
Tressie McMillan Cottom uses symbolic experiences like attending a Jason Isbell concert at the Ryman Auditorium as license to speak with authority on country music—the classic PhD/academic paradigm of attempting to circumvent experience and real world knowledge with academic accreditation.
Going back to The New York Times column itself and considering it more broadly, it is built from a classic set of inaccuracies that most all outside perspectives tend to impose on country music in these types of elite media pieces.
First, since these articles are authored by political activists who center identity, they view the entire world through these lenses, and assume their counterparts in the country music industry do the same. In other words, these academics and activists project political motivations and race-based decision making upon the country music industry, when in truth there is one thing that motivates the country music industry and one thing only: money.
If signing more Black artists and promoting more Black music would make country music more money than signing more White artists, they would do so in a heartbeat. In fact, the industry has already been doing this to a greater degree recently. There is no ideology behind major label motivations tied to race, politics, or anything else. Though it might be true that many of the individuals working in the country music industry lean more center right politically, their underlying motivations are exclusively economic.
But Tressie McMillan Cottom says, “Our nation’s politics have not merely gone conservative. They have gone white nationalist. That makes country music, and Nashville, a good fit for the moment. The music is a cover. The real goal is to have a home for political pop culture. That’s why Trumpist power brokers want to turn Nashville into the right wing’s Hollywood.”
But this is exactly what Tressie McMillan Cottom and others were attempting to do from a political left perspective through activist journalism and opinion columns over the last decade, and expressly stated as much through the first Trump Administration, and using race as a cover, and a cudgel.
Ironically, at that time, most all of Nashville’s major record labels had instituted a moratorium on artists speaking out politically at all. Country music mostly experienced a political truce through the era after the cancellation of the [Dixie] Chicks in 2003. It was when outlets such as Rolling Stone Country insisted performers come out for left-leaning causes, and The Washington Post and others attacked the wives of performers for making political statements on social media that artists themselves started speaking out politically, politicizing country music once again.
Keeping country stars quiet about their right-leaning political beliefs was the best case scenario for these political activists, and the idea that the media could reshape the political beliefs of performers through think pieces behind paywalls was the essence of hubris. But after attempting to goad and shame them into championing left leaning causes, country artists finally did start speaking out, and often on the right, resulting in the political project to turn country music into a political bullhorn for the left completely backfiring.
Now, country music is very much a politically right institution, unlike just a few years ago. For example, the major media outlet Whiskey Riff that is partially owned by the Grand Ole Opry regularly publishes outright right-leaning political posts, dwarfing any left-leaning country music content Rolling Stone or other outlets like The New York Times might publish.
Another misnomer commonly found in these elite opinion pieces is that country music is a monolith, and that it’s solely centered in Nashville, meaning the entire genre, its labels, its acts, radio, awards shows, and fans all move in one unified motion. This misconception is forwarded time and time again in The New York Times column, as is the idea that it is politically and racially-motivated White people operating “country music” as an express political project.
Tressie McMillan Cottom states at one point,
“[Morgan] Wallen, for example, arguably owes his entire career to country music embracing its cultural role as rhythm-keeper for white reactionarism. His success is a case of how the Nashville vanguard is bringing millions of new listeners into the country music fold. The vanguard is separating Black art from Black artists and repackaging it as white authenticity to white audiences. His music may be a sincere ode to the futility of genres (Is he making country music or watered-down trap?), but Wallen’s role as lead horseman of the white country reclamation is about white America’s power to police those genre boundaries.”
There is definitely some truth to Morgan Wallen’s music incorporating traditionally Black music modes, even though once again, this is something that is actually advocated for by music pundits outside of country who insist country music must “evolve” and embrace trap beats and hip-hop cadences. Cottom herself argues this at one point in her column.
But far from being embraced by the wide population of the country genre, these same Black music influences are what makes Morgan Wallen exceptionally polarizing in country. Most traditional country fans find Morgan Wallen repulsive, and because of his use of trap beats and hip-hop cadences specifically. “Policing genre boundaries” is done much more due to musical concerns as opposed to concerns involving race.
Similar to Jelly Roll, much of Morgan Wallen’s fan base pulls from pop and hip-hop fans, not country ones, including large amounts of Black listeners. In fact, ironically, Morgan Wallen might have the most racially diverse audiences in all of country music, while audiences for performers such as Rhiannon Giddens and The War & Treaty are almost exclusively White. This was actually one of the accurate points Cottam expressed when she spoke at AmericanaFest in 2022.
Another major dillema with what Tressie McMillan Cottom asserts about “white country reclamation” is the story of Candice Watkins. Who is Candice Watkins? She is a veteran country music executive who was the long-time Senior Vice President of Marketing at Morgan Wallen’s label Big Loud Records. Watkins oversaw the label’s Marketing, Digital, Creative, PR and Streaming departments through Morgan Wallen’s rise. Watkins is given direct credit for much of Morgan Wallen’s success, and the dramatic emergence of Big Loud Records as a Nashville power broker over the last few years.

Just last week, Candice Watkins was announced as the new President of Capitol Records Nashville, a newly-restructured label group that also includes the Capitol Christian Music Group. This makes Watkins one of the most powerful executives in all of Nashville, and in country music.
But of course, Tressie McMillan Cottom doesn’t mention Watkins or her recent appointment as a major label President. In The New York Times column, nowhere do you see any mention of Country Music Hall of Famers Charley Pride, DeFord Bailey, or Ray Charles. Nowhere is there mention of Darius Rucker, Kane Brown, or other Black country success stories, or mention of the countless Black artists surging in the independent ranks, from Charley Crockett, to Kashus Culpepper who is another Big Loud artist Candace Watkins helped to develop. Cottom barely even mentions Shaboozey.
In truth, if you are an advocate for Black artists in country music and Black representation in country music’s executive positions of power, there has never been a better time to celebrate.
The top song in country music at the moment according to Billboard’s Hot Country Songs chart is Shaboozey’s “A Bar Song (Tipsy).” The 3rd top song is BigXthaPlug’s “All The Way” with Bailey Zimmerman. Beyoncé is the reining Grammy Country Album of the Year winner. Across the board, you’re not only seeing Black representation in country music, you’re seeing Black domination. Yet if you read The New York Times column, you’re being told country music is simply a bastion for White political reactionaries to reshape American in their White nationalist image.
Instead of attempting to instigate a race war within country music by condescending White performers and fans, and inciting Black ones, why doesn’t Tressie McMillan Cottom use the platform she’s been bestowed by The New York Times to highlight the Black creators in the country music space she believes deserve to be elevated? Why doesn’t she feature success stories like Candice Watkins?
The cynical take is that racial tension is the commodity Cottom and others trade in. Another possibility is that Cottom has no idea who someone like Candice Watkins is, and doesn’t want to put in the pragmatic, and often, time-consuming work and commitment that it takes to institute the kind of “reparative multiracialism” she purports to want to see bloom in the country music space.
But in truth, the motivation of The New York Times column is not to move country music forward at all. It is to seethe about the failures of the last few years to co-opt country music to do the bidding of the political left. In some respects, it’s outright jealousy. As Cottom says near the conclusion of the article,
“Capturing celebrities with national audiences could give the right real cultural power, not simply the illusion of it, propped up by a handful of genre-constrained stars. That is why country music’s boundaries are so politically insistent. Whoever controls country, it seems, will control the culture.”
But instead of insisting that it should be the left or the right who should be in hypothetical “control” of country music to then utilize it as a political machine, the genre should make the effort to be politically agnostic, and a place for all blue collar, rural, and agrarian people to find music that speaks to their experiences, and gives them a sense of cultural identity, irrespective of their racial one.
Cottom is correct that country music currently runs the risk of becoming a right wing mouthpiece if it is not careful. But we should also quit pretending that “country music” acts as one entity, with one singular ideology, and one united voice. Tim McGraw and Faith Hill have found a way to sustain as Democrats in the country space for decades. Eric Church and Brady Paisley, though more politically heterodox, have championed causes that code left in recent years. Just like the American electorate, country music is a lot more complex than the characterization of The New York Times column wants to give it credit for.
There are many, many other incorrect notions and outright contradictions that could be cited in Tressie McMillan Cottom’s column. She says in one breath, “There is no longer a penalty for going country, thanks in part to the way streaming has unlocked country music from country radio,” but then says in the next, “Country music has a tighter lock on music distribution than other genres. Country radio still breaks new artists in an age where every other genre has lost that power to TikTok.” And somehow, both of these characterizations feel incorrect.
Like so much of the media, Cottom can’t shake loose of the idea that country music almost solely exists in the mainstream and in Nashville. Meanwhile, independent artists have never held more power, and artists are rising left and right without the aid of the Music Row system. If more Black artists want to break through, there are more opportunities than ever to circumvent the conventional country music industry. This is what should be advocated for by Black and Brown artists, women, and others that Nashville continues to underserve as opposed to waiting for some miraculous reformation on Music Row.
Undoubtedly, Cottom’s column will be toasted exuberantly in well-heeled intellectual circles, as the results of her efforts circle the toilet bowl, or even worse, clog up the commode, causing it to overflow, and creating a mess that the people native to country music who are earnestly trying to open the music up for all people will have to clean up, taking their attention away from more productive activities in that important direction.
Of course the country music industry is insular, outmoded, incestuous, and in dramatic need of massive overhaul. Pointing this out in 2025 almost feels like a platitude. But criticizing its “whiteness” in The New York Times in 2025 is in no way going to inspire a more meritorious environment for creators. This whole thing feels so 2021, if not 2017, and like running the same tired playbook that already failed demonstrably, and has been rejected by the American population.
Articles like Tressie McMillan Cottom’s “The Country’s Gone Country. What Gives?” is the entire reason the left lost the last election, and outlets like The New York Times are losing cultural cachet. Meanwhile, as people are seeking out something more honest and real in media and entertainment, they’re finding favor with country music. That is the reason the “country has gone country.”
The sooner academics and political activists start honestly assessing why they’re losing relevancy as opposed to continuing to fall back on fractious identitarian name-calling, the sooner they can start attempting to offer a legitimate counterbalance to the rising right-leaning tendencies emerging in country music. The doubling down symbolized by Cottom’s column in The New York Times will only make matters worse for their cause.
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May 20, 2025 @ 9:23 am
I hate writing these articles. We all lose. It takes all of our eyes off the ball, stokes unproductive conflict within the music community, will be pull quoted and mischaracterized, and inspire ad hominem attacks. But it must be written.
Once again I call on periodicals like The New York Times that if they want to broach the subject of country music, hire someone who covers the music and the industry exclusively. If “The Country Has Gone Country,” all the more reason to take it seriously as a beat as opposed to sicking pop journalists and political columnists on it.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:37 am
Your proposal flies in the face of their agenda.
They aren’t interested in truth but in terraforming country music into a genre that suits their narrative.
May 20, 2025 @ 12:45 pm
This! All of this! Couldn’t agree more with CountryKnight here. Our goals are completely different. This site and its commenters goal is to shine a light on a genre we love. The songs and the music. The culture, and yes even it’s traditions! We are here because we love this genre. The nytimes author has no interest in all of that. She mentioned attending a country music festival. She didn’t mention the quality musicianship, the way the songs felt, the way the music made her feel. All things we would talk about. No, her gist was that the only thing that mattered was the melanin in the performers skin of the lack of it. Maybe I’m in the minority but my live if country music has no qualifiers in terms of skin color. If you make good country music I want to hear it, we all do. But I think the message of the times author was that country music isn’t worth listening to unless she seems a sea of lgbtq, female, bipoc faces at the Honky tonk. I and a lot of people here are focused on the music. She seems only concerned with the identity of the artist. This is a failure of the Democrats. They want diversity for the sake of diversity. I want quality music. That’s a wide and deep chasm. And what’s funny is the author and some commenters here don’t seem to see the stark condtraditions in their stances. The author is explicitly calling for white male republicans to be excluded completely from the genre. I’m not sure how that isn’t the mirror image of the kkk, but flipped. If you have a problem with white identity politics in the genre, you should also have a problem with those who call for country to be exclusively a black lgbtq genre as well. Her assertions that blacks are solely responsible for the creation of the genre is not only wrong, it’s a complete eradication of all other races and cultures that contributed to its growth and yes, white straight men and women did have a huge part in its creation reguardless of her feelings on that. Several commenters including trigger called out the yuck of supposed racist comments by posters here. My concern is for the original article and author. There’s no more clear and startling an example of open, blatant and naked racism than The NY Times author and article. I will fight to oppose that any damn day of the week and unapologetically so. If you try to erase the contributions of an entire race in our genre, damn right people are going to be up in arms and pissed. And deservedly so.
May 20, 2025 @ 12:46 pm
We’re getting poorer, they’re getting richer.
It’s not the right/left axis we should care about; that’s just a scheme to distract us.
No, what’s really the problem is this; we’re back to the class system of the 1930’s again, and they do whatever they can to keep us in our places pitching black against white, men against women, left against right, gay against straight, old against young.
Keeping us busy pondering these constructed “worries” helps them getting away with theft. Theft of wealth, theft of power, theft of freedom.
Theft of our very souls
May 20, 2025 @ 1:28 pm
You are normally dead on with calling out questionable mentions of country music, but either they’ve re-written the article since you posted this or you were reading too much in anger and frustration and really need to revisit the article.
The specific things that you are taking issue with are largely irrelevant to the point of the column. Is Cowboy Carter a country album? No, but it’s just an example of the many non-country artists who are clearly showing some amount of country music influence. Did Snoop proclaim himself a country artist? No, but the column also doesn’t say that he did, it makes a vague reference to him having “signaled country intentions” and releasing a duet. The specific paragraph about how Jelly Roll, Zach Top, and Morgan Wallen are the country music holy trinity, you’re right, they are not the best 3 examples. But is the bulk of the country pop that’s coming out of Nashville for the last decade or so either the red cup bro country or hip-hop for people who are afraid of black people, yes, unquestionably.
To the actual point of the article, yes, there is more white nationalism around in the last decade. To claim otherwise is absurd. The whole birther thing with Obama. Actual self described neo-Nazis meeting with elected officials. For that matter, self described neo-Nazis. Patriot Front, Identity Evropa, the Proud Boys (yes, what does Western chauvinist mean), Atomwaffen are all active and very visible. Depressingly, take a look at some of the comments. (Off topic, but you should stop leaving stuff up to illustrate the vitriol, just take it down if it’s that bad. Maybe replace it with a sentence about why it was taken down, but just take it down. You’re platforming some absolute trash comments.)
Does Nashville have a gatekeeping effect on mainstream country? While it’s getting better (your points about Zach Top), Nashville still has a grasp on mainstream country. A weaker grasp than it used to be, but it’s not like they went away. A comparison of streaming country music vs what gets airplay certainly says that they still hold some sway.
Are there Black artists and executives in Nashville, sure. Women artists and execs, sure. But nowhere near proportional. And while Cowboy Carter did win the Grammy, it didn’t come from Nashville. Nor did Shaboozey’s record. Nor did BigXthaPlug’s record.
I think that a critical distinction that the column failed to make which would have helped significantly is being clearer about when she was talking about country music as a wider genre vs the Nashville machine. The column ends by calling out the Nashville machine for not embracing the new, and this is hardly new. The machine is extremely conservative (in the holding on to tradition sense, not the political sense), it did the exact same thing to Willie and Waylon. There was an image to sell (all those Nudie suits and strings) and a story to tell (something wholesome, even for George Jones). When the new artists didn’t fit the image and the story, they didn’t get signed in Nashville. This column is entirely a criticism of the machine and the version of country music that they sell, and goes out of the way earlier in the piece to point out that it’s not the wider genre that’s the problem (the point about country that doesn’t “fit” getting pushed into Americana). I think that you are far closer to agreement than disagreement on the overall point and the specifics are getting in the way.
May 20, 2025 @ 1:57 pm
The current sitting president was nearly assassinated twice last year, including being shot in the head for one of those. Left wingers literally burned the entire fucking country down in 2020 over fentanyl Floyd and that bullshit. But yeah, go off about how right wingers are the problem, my dude. Comey just last week engaged in this behavior. More evidence the left is lost and will lose again in 2028. They have “everyone is a nazi”. The right won the election and the popular vote. I’d take the latter Over the former any day of the week. You all have problems with process. We have ideas.
May 20, 2025 @ 1:58 pm
I made sure to give credit to Cottom where credit is due, and as I have been reporting myself and underscored in this article, right-leaning ideologies are definitely entrenching themselves back into country music. However, this article will not help that concern, it will exacerbate it, and specifically because it comes across as so misinformed, loose with its facts, and in my opinion, uncharacteristically angry and terse in a way that is not going to assuage anyone to Cottom’s side of the argument, but push country music further to the right. It plays straight into the criticisms you see about elite media perspectives.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:15 pm
You seem awfully obsessed with those elitist journalists a few years back who you seem to think want to turn country music into some kind of left wing think tank, as if you know exactly what they’re thinking, and that such motives can be attritbuted to all those who question the motives of mainstream country willy nilly. That’s what pushed country content to the right? It didn’t have that far to go in that regard. You think that a pandering abomination like “Try That In a Small Town” would have never been recorded if some East Coast eggheads didn’t insist on more liberal-leaning content? No one has a problem with country being inherently conservative, at least no reasonable person. No one has ever insisted that it needs to be more causist one way or the other, yet you get really fixated on somebody suggesting that a little more nuance in messaging might go a long way.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:46 pm
Not 100% following your train of thought here. But yes, I can draw a straight line with no diversion between political apparatchiks larping as country music journalists complaining about the political content of Jason Aldean’s wife’s Instagram account, The Washington Post then writing not one, not two, but three dedicated articles on the matter, and then Jason Aldean directly deciding to get political with his music, despite telling Rolling Stone previously that he wanted to avoid politics at all costs.
You go after a man’s wife, there will be consequences.
May 20, 2025 @ 2:15 pm
So you only capitalize Black. Interesting.
Whites are the only group in America where it is frowned upon by society to take pride in our heritage. It is not surprising some groups have decided to counter that viewpoint.
When you constantly shame a group, half will submit and the other half will dig in further.
May 20, 2025 @ 4:07 pm
You’re such a snowflake. No one has any problem with people taking pride in their heritage. I’m an American with Polish and Irish ancestry. I celebrate that heritage plenty with no pushback.
Your victim complex is pathetic.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:13 am
Let a politician call for a White History/Heritage Month and see how accepting and warm the response is.
It is foolish and scalawag behavior to pretend it is Whiteness is accepted when academia and media are filled with articles celebrating its eventual death.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:21 am
Lmao April is European American heritage month you snowflake. There’s also multiple months for heritage from specific European countries.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:38 am
See, the problem CountryKnight is that the reason for Black History Month is that so many of people of color don’t know specifically where their ancestors come from: their ancestors were literally brought over here on slave ships and had their heritage stolen from them. They can’t go onto Ancestry.com and find out about their ancestors or their heritage, so, as a result, it has been grouped together as Black History.
You on the other hand probably have a good idea of your history: maybe you’re Polish, or Italian, or French. Or Irish, or Swedish, or German.
And you know what: if you want to celebrate those heritages, have at it! There are festivals and events that celebrate those heritages and no one ever complains about it.
You don’t need a “white history” because you can easily trace your roots.
Many people of color can’t.
Now comes the point where you give me some BS response that completely ignores everything I just said.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:41 am
Don’t try reasoning with CountryKnight. The guy is uninterested in listening to anything outside of Fox News or Newsmax.
May 22, 2025 @ 9:41 am
I have never seen a single commercial for European American Month. But every other month is pushed hard.
As for Interstate Daydreamer,
You forgot to capitalize White. Again, that doesn’t mean we can’t celebrate a White History Month.
And by the way, Blacks sold Blacks into slavery to Arab and European slave traders. Their lack of history starts at the source.
May 27, 2025 @ 6:50 am
As expected, CountryKnight ignored everything I said.
May 20, 2025 @ 6:12 pm
Why would bigxthaplug’s record come from Nashville? He’s a rapper.
May 21, 2025 @ 7:40 am
You realize “the whole birther thing with Obama” was started by Hillary Clinton, correct?
May 21, 2025 @ 3:46 pm
@Matt–I wholly agree with your take. I read McMillan Cottom’s article was did not feel like I was being harangued by someone in the throes of rage. I took it as food for thought, even if I disagree with her political and social views. They should invite her to participate in a symposium at the Country Music H-o-F or at Belmont University, where she could exchange viewpoints on inclusivity in country music with industry professionals and writers like Robert Oermann and maybe Kyle C. I’m sure it would be illuminating and fun.
May 21, 2025 @ 6:39 pm
Hey Luckyoldsun,
I appreciate if your take on the New York Times article is different from mine. Like a song or album, these things are subjective. That said, the whole reason I broached this was due to my inbox filling up as soon as that article was published with folks incensed about the characterizations in that article. And as you can see in this comments section, I would say it was received very negatively by the country music public, though roundly praised in media and political circles, as you can imagine. Brian Stelter though it was fantastic.
As I said in my rebuttal, part of the problem is the lack of interaction or cross-ideological dialogue by people like McMillan Cottom. I’d be more than happy to participate in a discussion with her, or to cover a discussion with her and others. This is why I attended a talk of hers in 2022 in Nashville during AmericanaFest. I also saw Bill C. Malone speak a couple of years before that at the Hall of Fame around the 50th Anniversary of his “Country Music USA” book.
May 21, 2025 @ 8:34 pm
The numbers of people who complain about an article in the NY Times means nothing to me, simply because these things are ginned up on the Internet and social media and most of the people who complain have not even read the article in question.
[The Times is staunchly anti-Trump, but let them run one paragraph giving voice to the other side and the psycho liberal site Media Matters will take a line out of context and accuse the Times of being pro-Trump and it goes viral in the leftist blogoshphere and social media with them each quoting each other in some chain letter circle jerk.]
The best article I’ve ever seen in my life, bar none, from the standpoint of enhancing the reputation of Toby Keith, was an appraisal written by John Caramanica in the New York Times in the wake of Keith’s death last year.
But one thing that a good writer does is present the opposing side–if only to knock it down, or to demonstrate his honesty and good faith and show that he’s not just a shill.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/arts/music/toby-keith-politics.html
Caramanica did that in the article, so, of course, it was denounced by country music fans–including a few posters to this site–most of whom never read the article and were regurgitating hearsay from other posters..
Now, I’m not going to claim that Tressie McMillan Cottom was actually trying to build up mainstream country music or the industry. And I also will not be shocked if someone shows me that McMillan Cottom has made provocative antiwhite statement in other forums and that she actually tones it down when writing for the Times. That caveat aside, I enjoyed reading the article and it did make a few good points regarding who gets to determine what “country music” is. I have not kept up with the latest in current country music in the 2010s and 2020’s like you have and like she has, to some extent and it gave me leads on some music to check out.
May 21, 2025 @ 11:11 pm
“and most of the people who complain have not even read the article in question.”
Though I’m sure that accurately describes a certain online social media cohort, that is not who emails me. I heard from fellow journalists, some people in the industry, and a musician as well. They all were basically like, “Did you see this? Someone needs to offer a rebuttal/tear this apart,’ and you’re probably the only one with the balls to do it.
I made a point in my rebuttal to give credit to Tressie McMillan Cottom where I felt credit was due. I don’t think the entire article is rubbish. But when you get basic facts and characterizations wrong, it’s going to sully the whole effort. And yes, if you look up her other work, it’s all about race. That is hat she writes about. She’s a sociologist.
I’m not here to trash John Caramanica. I’m sure he’s great at the beat he covers, and he’s written some good stuff over the years. The Toby Keith article you linked takes a very strangely familiar premise to another article I’ve seen before.
May 20, 2025 @ 4:20 pm
A hit dog will holler.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:26 am
We must protect our tradition, culture, way of life and music. Those who attempt to shoehorn Marxist, woke and sjw and dei politics into our music are not only dishonest actors like the author of the nytimes article, but they are in fact evil. If you hate country music like The NY Times article author, if you are a racist like she is, if you only care about one race like she does, you not only aren’t welcome in our genre, you aren’t welcome here in general. Anyone like that can get the fuck out of my country. They are not wanted and are pieces of shit.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:36 am
Imagine being so desperate for clicks/interaction that you leave stupid comments like this up.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:50 am
JC (and others),
I chose to leave this comment up to illustrate to kind of anger and hatred this “New York Times” article has been inspiring. This has nothing to do with my “clicks” or “interactions.” I could have written 3 to 5 other articles in the time it took to write this one that would have received way more traffic, and way less blowback. But I chose to write this one because someone, anyone needs to step up from an actual country music perspective, and warn what the kind of reckless, anger-driven rhetoric the column in “The New York Times” forwarded inspires.
What some will say is, “Hey, we can’t be responsible for or worry about white fragility and racism.” But yes you can. Music has the unique ability to break down racial divides, and soften hardened hearts. But when you attempt to use it as a political weapon, it does the exact opposite. It stokes division and hatred. And no matter how much heat comes down on me for standing up to it, I always will stand up for music to be a place for everyone, free of political acrimony.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:00 am
Well…I get you there. I don’t disagree with the premise. I think your writing does a fine enough job of explaining it, and we’ve all been around enough to have seen it, that you don’t need to platform the nonsense above.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:20 am
Do you disagree with the author of the article? Seems like you may agree with her.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:23 am
It’sgettingdarktildaylight, Thatswhatiwant,
Please only use one screen name, at least in this discussion, or your comments WILL get moderated.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:30 am
Ok trigger. Sorry. I will use only one username. Apologies.
May 20, 2025 @ 4:12 pm
Bullshit. This hatred is here regardless of what the NYT writes. You just allow it to fester.
May 20, 2025 @ 6:09 pm
eh. I don’t think hateful people need much “inspiration.” also, you have a chicken and egg problem. Are opinions like Cotton’s the cause of divisiveness, or is she herself a product of our divisive times (which many of the country music establishment are fine with, as long as their preferred people are the ones spewing vitriol.
I think you’re overreacting in your assessment of the New York Times by conflating its opinion pages with the paper as a whole. The opinion pages feature a wide variety of perspectives from left and right. Some of the pieces are more thoughtful than others. The reporting in the NYT is first rate in its credibility and your trashing the newspaper as not credible (as if there are papers out there with better reporting) is in itself divisive.
May 20, 2025 @ 6:50 pm
“The reporting in the NYT is first rate in its credibility and your trashing the newspaper as not credible (as if there are papers out there with better reporting) is in itself divisive.”
I would strongly discourage blind faith in any of these institutions. Aside from reams upon reams of other instances I could cite from the real world, here are a couple of instances I reported on where The New York Times reported on things that were categorically false, and refused to correct the record.
Sturgill Simpson Proves He Was Misquoted in ‘New York Times’ Feature on Luke Bryan
https://savingcountrymusic.com/sturgill-simpson-proves-he-was-misquoted-in-new-york-times-feature-on-luke-bryan/
Why Won’t ‘The New York Times’ Correct False Lil Nas X Reporting?
https://savingcountrymusic.com/why-wont-the-new-york-times-correct-false-lil-nas-x-reporting/
You can also read the comment below for another story. You see this ALL THE TIME from The New York Times where reporters go into stories with a premeditated agenda, and then tell the story the way they want it to be, as opposed to what it is.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:18 am
The NYT underplayed the Holocaust, dismissed the Holodomor, mishandled the Duke Lacrosse case, pushed the inaccurate and false 1619 project, didn’t realize the Babylon Bee was satire, and made a host of other mistakes.
Blind acceptance of her publications is intellectually dishonest.
June 10, 2025 @ 7:16 pm
Ugh, I can’t reply to Trigger’s reply to my comment (is there a way to do that?).
Trigger, I definitely don’t have blind faith in the NYTIMES. I was responding to a sweeping generalization you made about the paper’s credibility based on one op-ed (I have read many terrible op-eds in the Times, written by conservatives and liberals alike; they’re just opinions). I should have provided the quote I was posting about, because now I can’t find it anywhere
I mostly read the Times for its political, front-page, and investigative reporting and while I never said the reporting is perfect, I stand by my statement that it’s first rate. Even if you disagree, this is a less of an exaggeration than your attack on its credibility.
I do see how the feature on Sturgill Simpson had a misleading quote and how in general, the paper could take a more nuanced approach towards the country music industry. That said, to blame the paper as whole for divisiveness is to be guilty of some serious decontextualization. We live in divisive times. Our current POTUS has never admitted to losing the 2020 election and had convinced an entire swathe of the country that those who believe this simple fact are crazed leftists. I can’t see into people’s heads, but I can’t help but think that plenty of country music lovers are capable of getting upset about all sorts of unreasonable things.
Are the writers on the left who are particularly intellectually dishonest critics of culture or critics of music? For example, I enjoy Jon Caramonica’s reviews as much as I enjoy reading Saving Country Music, but I wouldn’t say one author was more balanced or objective than the other.
June 10, 2025 @ 9:58 pm
Hey Katelyn G,
I appreciate you chiming in here.
The reason you can’t respond directly to my comment is because comments can only tier five times. You did the right thing by responding to the last comment in the thread.
I posted a story recently giving credit to the New York Times for a much better story on the roots music resurgence you might find interesting.
https://savingcountrymusic.com/new-york-times-article-finally-gets-country-music-right/
May 21, 2025 @ 1:11 pm
“I chose to leave this comment up to illustrate to kind of anger and hatred this “New York Times” article has been inspiring.”
Bullshit. Whoever that person is probably gets angry when their Big Gulp isn’t filled to the top or there is too much ice in it.
Anger from people like that should be ridiculed, not used as an example.
As to later comments re: the accuracy of the NY Times – are you fucking kidding me? You, and most here, support a man who used a Sharpie to draw a line on a hurricane map to make it look like a part of the country not in the “cone” was. This clown also can’t differentiate between tattoos on fingers and something superimposed over the top of them. And can’t look at two pictures and notice the differences between them.
You, and those who support the Great Orange Menace, cannot decry others for inaccuracies.
I will say I agree with CountryKnight that blind allegiance to anything is dishonest. But that extends to Great Orange Leader and his mouthpiece, Fox News.
Let me finish with this. While I believe you are a really good writer, and I believe that article was complete trash, it’s more than obvious you write these things to get responses. Otherwise, why would you “chose to leave this comment up to illustrate to kind of anger and hatred this “New York Times” article has been inspiring?”
You can’t suggest people stay away from politics then post this.
May 21, 2025 @ 1:53 pm
First, as I’ve always said, I encourage people to not veer into political discussions in the comments that are not relevant to the subject being discussed. However, if there is a political quotient to the article, then it does not seem fair to not allow for political discussion for the very reasons you point out. It’s not fair that I could broach politics, but others couldn’t. Clearly, that is reflected in this comments section, and on both sides.
Second, I always find it humorous when people assume who I vote for. If you’re paying any attention, you would no I would never bring myself to vote for Trump or Harris because I believe all politics is a scourge. If I vote, it is in local elections.
There was an article in Variety yesterday causing a stir because they said that Morgan Wallen “codes as a Trump supporter.” But Morgan Wallen has made no political pronouncements, and as far as we know, probably doesn’t think about politics at all (or much of anything else for that matter). It is irresponsible to assume anyone’s political affiliations, especially when you’re using that to degrade them. That very attitude is the reason much of the mainstream media is losing credibility among the public, and folks are turning to the podcasts of comedians for information. You want that to change? Fix the mainstream media. Speak out when you see it go astray. That is what I did here.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:11 am
It’s funny how JC is more upset by a commenter on here and JCs interpretation of it, than he is by the racism of the nytimes author. Says something doesn’t it? JC read The NY Times article and triggers response and JCs anger wasn’t reserved for the nytimes author but the commenter here. I’ll let you draw the conclusions.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:20 am
I respect that JC and others don’t want to see certain comments in this comments section. I don’t really want to see them either. And if comments cross a line, I will moderate them, and do. But I am not going to stile people’s perspectives on this matter. The New York Times platformed a perspective full of anger and division that will be counter-productive to the cause to make country music an equal space to everyone. So now I’m not supposed to allow people to share their perspectives here? Which is a bigger platform, The New York Times, or the Saving Country Music comments section? I’d like to think it’s the latter, but let’s be real.
You put anger out into the world, you often get it back, and amplified.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:28 am
Only one of us is trying to stifle debate. I posted my feelings about the article you posted, that’s the purpose of the comments section. JC and Interstate got defensive not about the article but about comments. Those aren’t the same. As you said if you put anger in the world you get it back. If you post hatred against a genre, it’s fans, and a race like The NY Times author did, expect to get extreme pushback here. And it’s totally warranted. She literally called us all racists. That deserves a response from you and all of us. Commenters who have a problem with that, need to man or woman up. I’m not going to soften my response just because some commenters may think it’s objectionable. If you read the article and your response and your reaction is to cry and whine at how some comments sound, I’m sorry that’s just silly, Kyle. I’m not interested in being different just because some commenters hate it. We all should be free to post as we are. The rants on the author are totally warranted and they just be allowed to stand. If you can’t vociferously push back against an article like the one you posted you aren’t interested in saving country music. Criticism of the author are necessary for saving country music. Otherwise she’s the voice of the genre. I’ll be damned if she gets to be that. No way.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:44 am
I agree. But also, let’s not go on and on with comments about comments. Say your peace, try to be respectful of everyone, and move on.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:46 am
And there goes JustInCase/Thatswhatiwant/it’sgettingdark/Sometimessuperman… commenting on multiple different screen names.
If you’re going to post your rage-hate-bullshit, at least have the guts to stand behind it on one screenname.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:49 am
You only have control over one of those two platforms.
I just think that if you’re going to call out others for platforming the sort
of nonsense that is in the NYT article, you shouldn’t allow the same stuff here. They’re both divisive, so handle the one you can handle.
May 20, 2025 @ 4:14 pm
“You put anger out into the world, you often get it back, and amplified.”
If you believe this, then why are you threatening to shut down the comments when people call out hatred from your viewers?
May 20, 2025 @ 4:21 pm
Adam S,
I did no such thing. Two commenters were going back and forth incessantly in comments about comments, and it bogged down the entire comments section. Anyone can see that. And so I requested they stop or i would have to delete their comments, and luckily, they complied. If all this comments section contains is strings of back and forth comments, it might as well be shut down, because it serves no purpose.
May 20, 2025 @ 4:44 pm
“Otherwise, I’ll have to shut the whole comments section down, and we all lose out.”
You literally did. How is it worse that comments complaining about a so called white genocide in South Africa in the comments for this post? If you allow shit comments, you should be just as open when people call it out. Don’t be a hypocrite.
May 20, 2025 @ 4:50 pm
Adam S,
Yes, because of the back and forths about the comments, not because of the content of the comments.
We’re not doing this. Any more comments about comments get deleted. Your final warning.
May 20, 2025 @ 6:48 pm
You’re just proving my point. If you moderated conservative comments whining about the woke mind virus and made up white genocide as much as you do me, others wouldn’t need to step in to say something. Either you’re for open comments or you’re not.
May 20, 2025 @ 6:53 pm
Adam S,
We have been this over, and over, and over again. You have no idea what I’ve moderated in the comments because the comments have been moderated, meaning you can’t see them. So you are not in a position to claim that I haven’t moderated conservative comments here. In fact, I have. But please, if you see somrthing you deem objectionable, speak up. Don’t, however, keep whining about the comments.
May 20, 2025 @ 7:08 pm
I’ve pointed out multiple things in this comment chain regarding unrelated political bullshit that you’ve ignored and are still up. Why are comments about South Africa okay but comments complaining about it aren’t? I’d be happy to stop having these conversations when you act consistently instead of only responding to the pushback.
May 20, 2025 @ 7:19 pm
Goodness you’re dense man. Nobody’s comments have been deleted here pushing back against anything. I simply requested, then warned, then demanded people stop posting comments about comments, not REBUTTALS to other people’s opinions. Clearly that’s happening up and down this comments section. And I WILL delete your next comment on this matter. because again, nobody comes hear to read comments and the way people are commenting on the comments about comments.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:39 am
Nah, I’m not angry about anything here. But that’s probably because I’m not worried country music will be ruined by
Marxist/Woke/SJW/DEI/Trans/Drag/CRT/Migrant Caravans…and whatever else Fox says we should be scared of this week.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:43 am
This 100%
May 20, 2025 @ 10:47 am
Why is this post allowed to be up but my rants are taken down and moderated, Kyle? You asked me to choose a username and stick with it. I have and my posts are still being moderated. KC and Interstate continue to post about me. Why are their posts attacking me up but mine that call that out taken down? If the site shouldn’t be about personal attacks, maybe picking a side between posters isn’t adhering to that goal. Either take all of our posts down or theirs too.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:50 am
You posts are not getting taken down. You’re posting them so fast, I don’t have time to approve them, and they’re getting sent to spam.
Again, if all the comments here are about comments, it defeats the purpose of a comments section. Let’s please resist the back and forths, and comments substantively on the topic at hand.
That goes for you Interstate Dayereamer as well. Otherwise, I’ll have to shut the whole comments section down, and we all lose out.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:36 am
Left-leaning people have always held a sizeable majority of the music because more creatively minded people tend to hold left-leaning views. There is a more noticeable shiftt now for reasons the Democrats and the Left are 100% responsible for; which include not having as clear of an economic vision for the future as what the Republicans have sold, and this constant war against white men and labeling them as fundamentally flawed for just existing. Politcal affiliation is more along the line of the gender divide than anything else especially with Gen Z.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:52 am
Criticism of **both** sides has been a hallmark of Country music itself forever. I don’t think that’s the issue here. I think it’s more about a writer having no real insight into the genre, but being allowed to write about it in a major publication.
May 20, 2025 @ 11:09 am
Most people don’t read the full article even if it’s free. The initial question being posed is accurate asking why everyone has all of a sudden gone Country. An aspect that they missed is how social media and podcasting is influencing music now. The artists they see as the main people in Country are also mixed in with the Joe Rogan, Theo Von, Nelk Boys and other “guy” podcasts and are helped by them too.
May 20, 2025 @ 12:13 pm
But is the initial question accurate? It’s been 15+ years since Darius Rucker and Aaron Lewis launched their Country careers, right around the same time that Colt Ford, Bubba Sparxx and others were bringing hick hop to mainstream country radio. Ten years before that we had Kid Rock and Sheryl Crow release a country duet, Nelly joined Tim McGraw for another one, and Bon Jovi got with Jennifer Nettles.
On and on and on, there is a long, long history of artists crossing over into country music.
May 20, 2025 @ 2:26 pm
Nope. The fact is the left controls the labor unions which are absolutely political in nature.
Every union member has to signal being a leftist to work. The industry is unionized, so the industry is left.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:42 am
And what tradition, way of life and culture are you a part of that needs protecting? Name one? You sound like the white South Africans that trump brought here because they were unable to make it on their own in a white controlled country. Bitching and complaining about others without realizing the problem is of their own making.
I read the NYT article and it sounded like a person who had an agenda. Very similar to the agenda of people who respond with the FOX news word salad of DEI, BLM and woke.
Country music will be fine. Always has been and will be in the future.
May 20, 2025 @ 11:17 am
I didn’t think it was possible for someone to have this wrong of a view about what is going on in South Africa. Wow
May 20, 2025 @ 11:42 am
The media doesn’t cover the genocide in South Africa.
May 20, 2025 @ 4:09 pm
That’s because there is none
May 20, 2025 @ 5:54 pm
Correct. They are busy covering it in other parts of the world. Show any verifiable proof of white genocide. Piers Morgan doesn’t count.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:21 am
Trump just showed the South African president video proof.
It exists. People denied the Holocaust and Holodomor at first.
May 21, 2025 @ 11:34 am
Oh shit. It must be true. Did any of them have ms13 tattoos?
And why didn’t the white South African officials from the opposite party of the African president agree with Trump? All part of the coverup of the genocide I suppose?
May 20, 2025 @ 5:50 pm
Prove one thing about how “wrong” I am. The “white genocide” is a conspiracy theory pushed by the far right in SA and the gullible fell for it. People are too fucking lazy to do their own research into this topic and believe what they want to believe based on their own biases.
Very similar to the NYT article.
May 20, 2025 @ 6:57 pm
Black South African political leaders are literally talking about killing white farmers. There is also a video of them singing about killing the Boers – which is a reference to the white farmers.
May 20, 2025 @ 7:35 pm
That song (and leader) is left over from the fight to end apartheid.
No proof that a genocide has occurred or will occur. in fact they can’t even prove the 49 people who came here were farmers. Violent crime in SA is a real thing. however the majority of people being killed are black SA people.Elon is a moron…
Again, prove that a genocide white farmers has occurred. Simple question
May 21, 2025 @ 12:18 am
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642
Simple Google search my dude.
May 21, 2025 @ 8:52 am
“In short – we have no clear idea about the murder rate on South African farms.
And because of that, the claim being made by protesters about farmers being more likely to be murdered is not supported by reliable data.”
Quoted from the article you sent as “proof”
Did you bother to read the article? An article from 2017 based on opinions with no proof.
Fast forward to 2025 a useful idiot listens to Musk about these poor white people. By today’s numbers it’s more dangerous to be a black South African farmer. Or a black South African in general.
Again, not one credible piece of proof that a genocide covered. It’s a lie from a pathological liar.
May 21, 2025 @ 8:56 am
Hey Folks,
This is not an article about South Africa. It’s not an article about George Floyd. I understand there is a political element to this story so I’ve tried to let this comments section breathe, but were not going to solve any of these problems here.Let’s try to focus on the matter at hand, which is the New York Times article, my rebuttal, and race in country music.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:07 am
“Tony” Blair wants to kill the farmers.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:08 am
Point taken Trigger,
I appreciate the article is not about South Africa. However the response to the NYT article by a few commenters here show that people are worried about how “they might be “erased”. “That they wont be replaced”. The same rhetoric used by an alt right South African who was making the rounds both in South African and here in the States telling stories of the white genocide. MAGA echoes the same rhetoric and its followers believed it without question. Very similar to the NYT article
That an article about Country music by a black journalist is some how an attack on the white race? Your response was well done. But for me, the more disturbing part of the NYT article are the people who read it without doing anymore research into the subject. Some readers might read the NYT article and feel it already confirms what they already knew and move on to the crossword. Others couldn’t give a shit while others are pressing their khakis.
Its a sad world we are witnessing now.
May 21, 2025 @ 11:38 am
Trump could say “2+2=5” and his supporters (CountryKnight and It’sgettingdark… included) would literally jump on board and agree.
May 22, 2025 @ 4:29 am
During a discussion about the farm murders in Parliament on March 14, 2017 for example, Deputy Minister of Higher Education Mduduzi Manana, a member of the ruling African National Congress, shouted: “Bury them alive.”
It’s common for the ANC to call for the slaugther of white farmers.
May 20, 2025 @ 4:11 pm
You don’t hold American values. Thank God you didn’t determine who belongs in this country.
May 21, 2025 @ 8:08 am
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt since I know not all SCM readers are in America. But you might want to look at who is president in America right now and the actions he is taking. These are absolutely American values and we are deciding who belongs in our country. This is literally what got trump fucking reelected. The sitting president absolutely agrees with my sentiments. It’s the bedrock core of maga and all of its meanings.
May 21, 2025 @ 8:19 am
I get what you’re saying It’sgettingdarktildaylight, but Habeas corpus is an American value too, and you’re not going to convince Adam S. of anything. Trust me.
May 21, 2025 @ 9:42 am
You would sympathize with hateful people.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:07 am
Sort of. Lincoln suspended it during the Civil War.
Like most rights, it comes and goes.
May 21, 2025 @ 11:01 am
“Sort of. Lincoln suspended it during the Civil War.
Like most rights, it comes and goes. ”
Rights do not come and go. At least not at the whim of the President solely. Would you say that about the 2 amendment?
Lincolns suspension was a completely different situation based on an actual war. And ultimately found to be inappropriate for the time. Much like Japanese interments were found to be wrong.
https://www.civitasinstitute.org/research/suspending-habeas-corpus-a-lincolnian-guide
May 22, 2025 @ 9:45 am
Blair,
Those rights did come and go for both groups.
Years later, people said it was wrong. Great! I am sure every Japanese-American citizen in 1942 would have loved to known that when the Great Tyrant FDR locked them because of their heritage.
And rights that ever get suspended aren’t rights. They are privileges. The COVID lockdowns reinforced that.
May 22, 2025 @ 2:07 pm
Using the Stephen Miller argument on habeas corpus is a weak attempt to disprove what has been affirmed by The Supreme Court. It is considered a right.
May 21, 2025 @ 9:39 am
Just because Trump is president does not mean you have American values.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:27 am
That’s different than what you are arguing though. You said you were glad people like me weren’t deciding who belongs in the country. Trump absolutely agrees with my stance and is indeed deciding who is America and who belongs in the country. As I said it’s the first principle of his ideology, so I’m not sure where you are confused here. He literally is deciding who is who and what is what. You may disagree with that, but people like me are deciding. The president is one of those people! So unless you are not American like I originally suggested and are a reader outside the country, then you are subject as we all are to the ruling of the current president. A man who does decide who is American and belongs in the country. There is no daylight between he and I’s position on those issues.
Your second point of just because trump is president doesn’t make those values America, well it depends on your political stance. If Kamala was in the Oval Office now instead of trump would you view her values as American? Just because she in this hypothetical is madam president doesn’t make her values American either, and there would be a grip of people who would be voicing that sentiment. How about Obama? Did you vote for he in 08 and 12? Did he hold American values? Arguments like yours depend on the president and the party they belong to. Because I’d bet you’d argue Obama and Kamala hold American values, I don’t agree with that. So it comes down to as I said the individual deciding for themselves. Which was my entire point. The NY Times doesn’t speak for me or evidently trigger either. So then what are country values? Trigger and I have some similar ideas about that and we differ in ways too. Probably you and I would differ and agree in some places too. But the point remains, The NY Times author doesn’t speak for me. So I voiced my piece about that. Which I’m allowed to do. That’s the entire point of the site. Kyle was pissed real country wasn’t getting attention so he made a blog about it. I’m expressing my feelings about things in the same exact manner.
Racial superiority as expressed in the article, quotas and dei policies, revisionist history, racial grievances, and outright lies about the creation of the genre are reasons to be upset and all those were part of the article. We are pushing back and have every right to.
Karen morris, Mickey guyton, Jason isbell, DBT, the black opry, Rissi, Patterson Hood all can make claims to be in the genre, but we all have just as much to push back and say not in our name, not in our genre and not in our industry. Their political views are not wanted and should not be accepted, allowed or platformed and in fact should be strictly sanctioned and outright banned. I ou are allowed to make a country song about trans rights or liberal policies, but recording studios in Nashville should not allow them to be recorded in studios, country friendly record labels should refuse to cut records like that, country outlets like whiskey riff and CC as well as radio stations like Bobby bones should not interview those artists or review those records, the opry shouldn’t allow those artists to play and the opry should expel any member that agrees with those artists.
We should treat them with dignity and respect, and we should be kind, but in terms of careers they should be shunned, and drummed out of the industry. They can make that music in Chicago, NY, or Seattle. But not in Nashville or the south. Those views should be the black mark in the industry and no other artists should collaborate with anyone holding those beliefs. They should be totally expelled from the country music industry and exiled and if possible arrested and imprisoned. Those beliefs must be made to be completely unacceptable to hold in society, and anyone who agrees should be completely cut off.
May 21, 2025 @ 11:14 am
Did Biden listen to the court regarding student loans? Trump is under no obligation to listen to them and I hope he doesn’t. I agree with countryknight, habeas corpus needs to be suspended and the illegals in our country must be expelled from our country immediately. If you come here illegally, you have no rights to due process. You broke the law, it’s a funny time to then care about laws and rules. Where was the concern for due process when they broke into our country. Trump will do what is necessary to secure our nation and if that includes invoking the alien enemies act and getting rid of habeas corpus he will do it. The illegals must leave one way or another. They are offered to self deport now, I’d listen and do so. Fuck around and find out. Stephen miller, Homan and trump aren’t joking around. I support his actions 1000 percent and want him to speed up and increase deportation numbers.
May 21, 2025 @ 11:19 am
Folks, let’s please move on from comments not speaking directly to the topic at hand, which is race and country music. Thank you.
May 21, 2025 @ 11:20 am
As countryknight said rights come and go. If he suspends habeas corpus, oh well. What’s on tv today anyways. What’s the weather.
May 21, 2025 @ 11:21 am
“habeas corpus needs to be suspended and the illegals in our country must be expelled from our country immediately”
If that happens, I hope someone reports you as being an illegal and you get kicked the fuck out you xenophobic piece of shit. No habeas corpus, no chance for you to prove otherwise…you just get booted the fuck out.
May 21, 2025 @ 11:40 am
Biden absolutely listened to the courts, that’s why student loans weren’t forgiven.
May 21, 2025 @ 11:41 am
Due process is a constitutional right to everyone, illegal status or not
May 21, 2025 @ 2:11 pm
Hunter Biden was running the presidency.
He did everything by the book.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:48 am
Thank God you don’t speak for country music, and thank God courts are telling Trump he’s not an authoritarian. He doesn’t get to decide who is American or run roughshod over the Constitution like you would love to see.
May 21, 2025 @ 11:18 am
Actually he does. Who is going to block him ? The democrat party still can’t figure out why they even lost the 24 election, and are introducing legislation on reparations. Who is the leader of the opposition? The resistance is dead, Jim. It’s dead. Trump is under no obligation to listen to any lower court. And he won’t. Maryland dad isn’t ever coming back to America and we all want him to rot in El Salvador, we all agree except for that Democrat who had drinks with him. I guess he wants him back. I don’t want a ms13 gang member ever coming back. Like ever.
May 21, 2025 @ 11:31 am
It’sgettingdark probably believes everything dear fuhrer, tells him. He probably paid $3.50 a gallon for gas today but will tell us it was $1.99 a gallon because that’s what tRump tells him.
May 21, 2025 @ 11:07 am
Having our current President agree with you isn’t the flex you think it is.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:28 am
Will you be reviewing the new Tressie McMillan album?
It’s a banger.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:35 am
Tressie McMillan Cottom proved herself a racist by only capitalizing Black and not “white.”
The NYT belongs to the gutter.
“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day. … I will add, that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors.” -Thomas Jefferson, 1807
“From 40. years experience of the wretched guesswork of the newspapers of what is not done in open day light, and of their falsehood even as to that, I rarely think them worth reading, & almost never worth notice.” -Thomas Jefferson, 1816
May 20, 2025 @ 9:47 am
She’s clearly a racist. She doesn’t care about the genre. She wants to use it to advance dangerous and disturbing race hatred polemics. We should not allow stuff like this in our industry.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:07 am
The far more subtle race hate is stirred up by Cowboy Carter.
Just ignore the NY Times.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:43 am
I’m so exhausted with the crew that wants to make country music a place to espouse your political grievances. Im so tired of this. I don’t turn on country music to be lectured about how blm activists are saints and goddesses and how evil republicans, whites, men and straight people are. That’s not why I signed onto being a fan of the genre. I’d hope I’m not the only one. The day Nashville allowed these interlopers to invade and infest our genre and city and industry was a day we ceded control. The industry ans
Most importantly the fans must wrestle control back and make it explicit that the sentiments expressed in the nytimes article are not only incorrect, they aren’t welcome here by us. WE get to control and decide what country is and what it’s not. WE get to decide how it’s presented and who is welcome and who is not. If you are not in it, you should have no say in it. The emphasis needs to be on the draw:the songs and the sound. All else should be ignored. I’m not interested in making country a Benetton flag situation. I want good songs and good sounds, period. If you add here for other purposes like promoting Marxist and woke ideology and trying to gin up race animosity, you should be drummed out of the scene. Country music needs a to stand up. And fight. Otherwise it’s people like the nytimes author who get to decide our music. Our music. culture, tradition and way of life are OURS. Not hers or anyone else’s. This music is our way of life and if anyone tries to dictate how this goes.they need to be shown the door. This isn’t a joke folks. Either we protect our music and way of life and country music or others will come in a wear it as a skin suit. The choice is clear as fucking day.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:53 am
Don’t you have a Klan rally you need to be prepping for?
May 20, 2025 @ 10:06 am
As trigger said, articles like this are why the left lost the 2024 election. The left has learned nothing in the months since the election. In fact they are doubling down on their moronic policies that were unpopular in the first place. Dei, identity politics, racial grievances, there is even a bill being proposed for reparations. Really? Reparations is the most pressing issue of the day? Really? The democrats are only shooting themselves in the foot. If they continue on this path they will lose in 2028. The nytimes author is clearly ademocrat. Hates trump, and as said by another commenter hates white people. Our country is better than gutter trash like her. We also have more important issues. Her articles thesis is that country music in 2025 is shit because we have many white superstars and blacks aren’t getting attention. That isn’t me deducing or reading her mind. This isn’t my guess at what she’s saying. She’s explicitly saying this. I’m sorry but she deserves all the backlash as will get on this website from making this dangerous and disturbing comment. She should be dropped by The NY Times for this outrageous content. But we all know nytimes is as spineless as she is. We all love country music. The difference between me and the nytimes author and people like her and you though is that when I listen to country I hear music and words and my life. When she and you hear it, you see the race, gender, sexual orientation, and political leanings of the artist. That’s the most important thing for you. It’s gross. The nytimes author should be called out for what she is: a racist grifter no different than the kkk you mentioned. I don’t support Louis Farrakhan and the NOI but I’m sure she does. Fuck that.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:31 am
You clearly have a lot of anger issues. Seek therapy, dude. Soon.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:34 am
I’d rather debate the issues raised by the article. But thanks for the advice. It’s funny how rude and unkind people on here can be. Politeness goes a long way. Instead of attacking people for posting their opinions, maybe extend some kindness. Just a thought!
May 20, 2025 @ 10:49 am
You have a lot of nerve asking people to “extend some kindness” after all of the racist hate-filled comments you’ve been posting.
May 21, 2025 @ 11:06 am
Let’s refrain from the personal attacks. I don’t go after you, please extend the same to me. You can be kind and offer rational and thoughtful critiques and we can debate that way, but the name calling and personal attacks are out of line. Please stop. I’m asking you kindly, please.
May 22, 2025 @ 9:47 am
ID has nothing but lame Reddit retorts about being angry and who hurt you?
Typical NPC. No original thoughts.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:14 am
Similar to JC, note the anger and ire of Interstate Daydreamer. The anger isn’t at the author who castigated and maligned a genre and its fans. The anger is directed towards posters on here who have an issue with the article. If you read the nytimes article and triggers response and your issue is with people on here who find the article objectionable, you personally might be the issue not the fictional demons you dream up on your interstate
May 20, 2025 @ 10:19 am
Love that the anger you have is towards a commenter as opposed to the article itself. Why?
May 20, 2025 @ 10:34 am
Why are you posting under different screen names when you are clearly the same person as “it’sgettingdarktildaylight.”?
May 20, 2025 @ 10:37 am
Trigger asked me not to and I listened to him and stopped. Are you wanting to discuss the article, friend, or just personally malign me on here? I’m interested in the article. My posts have stuck to the article, please do the same. Attacking posters on here isn’t allowed either. I admit it was wrong to use different usernames. Please do the same with the personal attacks on me. Thanks
May 20, 2025 @ 10:43 am
Trigger asked me to stop. And I did. Are you going to post about thr article at all or just go for personal attacks
May 20, 2025 @ 10:52 am
The user in question was warned, and if they don’t continue to comply, their comments will be deleted.
Any more comments about comments in this comments section get deleted. Final warning.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:53 am
The Klan holds zero institutional power. However you have Leftists in academia writing articles and going on podcasts praising the idea of white people becoming the miniority and dying out as a race. That is Klan language inverted.
May 20, 2025 @ 4:46 pm
Only for Democrats.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:45 am
The 2024 election marked the end of the legacy media. It should have been a lesson to those in the media (to quote Ricky Scaggs) ” Don’t get above your raisin”. Get back to reporting facts and know a little bit about the subject your talking about instead of trying to be “first reporting stories, or catering to your base. They seem to just have entrenched deeper into the trenches on both sides. I had a feeling as soon as Trump did Joe Rogan and Harris wouldn’t, he had just won the election.
May 21, 2025 @ 3:23 pm
You’re not quoting Ricky Skaggs when you repeat the phrase “don’t get about your raisin’.” That’s from an earlier Flatt & Scruggs song recorded, I believe, in the 1950s, to be covered by Skaggs decades later. The saying, once popular in rural America, predates F&S, who composed the song around it. Country-music historian Bill C. Malone also stole it for the title of a book.
May 21, 2025 @ 5:14 pm
I realize “Don’t Get Above Your Raisin'” is a staple in bluegrass, but this is Saving Country Music not Bluegrass music. I figured more commenters would recognize Scaggs version which received a lot of airplay on country radio. It got up to number 16 on the Billboard Country single charts
May 21, 2025 @ 6:31 pm
And I typed “about” when I meant “above.”
By the way, the scholar Bill C. Malone was a pioneering figure who believed country is worth composing serious, comprehensive, and sympathetic books about. He practically invented formal historical writing on the subject. He has been a model for many since.
Meanwhile, for some of the more excitable contributors to this space, a smelling-salts alert: he was a professor, a Democrat, and a life-long liberal. His view of the music was not remotely like the woman’s that set off this long thread.
May 22, 2025 @ 3:23 am
I haven’t read Malone’s book, but had the New York Times had someone like Malone write this article about race in country music, I don’t think anyone would be complaining. This article as written is like reading a Facebook post from someone complaining about something they really are not versed in.
May 22, 2025 @ 7:22 am
Ironically, when they added the latest chapter onto Bill C. Malone’s “Country Music USA,” they had a “scholar” named Tracey E. W. Laird write it. It’s terrible. It’s not a history at all. It’s an Academic think piece, similar to Cottom’s Op/Ed. It doesn’t even really cover the era it purports to in any sort of accurate or coherent way, leaving the era basically uncovered in the book. It is a perfect example, like the NYT article, of intellectualism run amuck, and ideology brought to historical recollection.
I wrote an article about it:
https://savingcountrymusic.com/new-50th-anniversary-edition-of-country-music-usa-book-asserts-country-music-has-no-center/
May 22, 2025 @ 7:54 am
A quick comment on Trigger’s remarks in the thread that began with Ben’s words on “Don’t Get Above Your Raisin’.”
I can only speak to what I’ve read of country-music studies. I wasn’t reading SCM when you wrote the cited essay, with which I both agree and disagree. But I do think it is not unreasonable to wonder if country has a “center.” I haven’t put it quite that way, but I have wondered — I’ve been listening to country since I was a kid, which wasn’t recently — about that on my own. The alternative seemed to be that country should be defined as what’s played on country radio, to me a view too depressing and too cynical to contemplate further.
I finally decided that a country song is something that can’t be anything else. There are, happily, many examples, off the top of my head Johnny Paycheck’s “Old Violin” or anything by Lefty Frizzell or Loretta Lynn.
I read SCM for a number of reasons, not the least that it challenges radio (and comparable) domination of the music. You’re shaping your definition of country’s center, and good luck with that.
May 22, 2025 @ 7:25 am
Well, yeah, but not my point.
I was taking note of some far-right SCM commenters and their self-serving charge that Americans, prominently including professors and liberals who don’t share their brand of always agitated politics, hate country music and its noble audience. In so doing, the commenters expose their ignorance and malice but otherwise don’t enlighten us.
Liberal professor Bill Malone practically invented the discipline of country-music studies. Like so many academics who have followed him, Malone began as a fan and never ceased being one. Anyone who has bothered to read some of the resulting scholarly literature will see that it is set in the political mainstream, neither far left nor far right (thank God), and based on conscientious fact-finding and reasoned analysis. The wild-eyed NYT essay, which inspired comparable excess from some on the opposite side here, is far from typical of what you’re going to find if you actually study country music from informed historians.
For many years the University of Illinois Press has published such scholarship in its Music in American Life series. Its catalog includes biographies of influential country artists as well as others in parallel vernacular styles. I encourage SCM’s followers to acquaint themselves with such work if they haven’t already done so. Though maybe less fun, it beats deranged raving on SCM. I don’t mean you, Ben.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:48 am
Hey, you can’t blame the return of Donald Trump solely on the media. The Democrats fucked that up themselves!
The New York Times explains why it capitalizes “Black” but not “white” or “brown”: https://www.nytco.com/press/uppercasing-black/
May 20, 2025 @ 11:44 am
“We will retain lowercase treatment for “white.” While there is an obvious question of parallelism, there has been no comparable movement toward widespread adoption of a new style for “white,” and there is less of a sense that “white” describes a shared culture and history.”
What a joke. Cultural genocide is a ugly thing.
May 20, 2025 @ 12:19 pm
Would you disagree that there is less of a “white culture” than there is of a black one? Do you think whites are just as monolithic as blacks?
May 20, 2025 @ 2:13 pm
In some respects, yes? In other respects, no.
The NYT weren’t thinking in that regard. They were looking for an excuse to degrade Whiteness.
May 20, 2025 @ 5:00 pm
Yes. That comes right out of leftist academia, They call it “erasing whiteness.”
Damn right it is a call to genocide. Textbook, in fact.
May 20, 2025 @ 3:19 pm
I hate the NYT as much as the next fellow, but I think they’ve got a point there CountryKnight. Black folks in America have a universal shared experience and culture that, say, white southern Protestants and Boston Irish definitely do not.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:08 am
Even Blacks that recently immigrated?
It sounds like a wide brushstroke statement of millions of people.
May 21, 2025 @ 5:04 pm
White Protestants certainly don’t have a Roman Catholic experience, nor do they want one.
May 21, 2025 @ 5:09 pm
Saying that all American blacks have the same experience, sort of indicates that the white liberal Yankees are just as racist as the reviled Southern Gentlemen, doesn’t it?,
May 22, 2025 @ 7:35 am
I’m not super tuned into it, so if some African immigrant wants to correct me I’ll gladly accept it, and ethnic boundaries are always super gray anyway, but I think that American black as a culture definitely implies having been here since before the civil rights movement. I went to community college in rural NC with some Africans who’s parents came to work in the chicken plants. They definitely did not feel accepted by the local black folks.
I also just profoundly don’t get this idea of white culture, or being proud of being white. I’m a Southerner and an Appalachian. Those are distinct cultural traits that are shared by everyone who has those identities, and are worth being proud of. I share a lot more in common with my black and Indian neighbors, who are also Southern and Appalachian, then I do with some liberal tech worker in Seattle, or a second gen Pole in Chicago. Neither of those can skin a buck or run a trot line.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:49 am
Well thought out rebuttal, but I don’t think it’s even worth highlighting.
“Overweight, black, female academic sophomorically deduces race/sex problem with things associated with white culture” is not something to be taken seriously.
Let her have her head pats from the people who agree with her for all the same contrived reasons, and we’ll just all move on with our lives, sad that all our favorite artists missed out on such a crucial champion.
See her at the next Crockett or Culpepper show absolutely never because the venues they play are “scary and unsafe” or whatever.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:54 am
Say the line Bart! I mean Trigger!
“This ain’t a country album. It’s a Beyoncé album.”
May 20, 2025 @ 1:21 pm
I find it very interesting that according to Cottom, the biggest push back she has received from the article was due to calling “Cowboy Carter” country. Since she limits who can interact with her, I can only imagine much of this sentiment is coming from a lot of people within her ideological circle.
Just like so many of the canards that have been forwarded in the last few years, I think there will be a reckoning with ‘Cowboy Carter.” I wouldn’t even surprised if in a future interview or public pronouncement, Beyonce herself will emphasize how it wasn’t a country album in a way that will be undeniable, and some folks will have to rewire their brains to the new reality.
It’s not a country album. Beyonce said it was not a country album. Calling ‘Cowboy Carter’ country is flatly incorrect.
May 20, 2025 @ 4:31 pm
And yet Beyonce accepted a Grammy for best country album, thus depriving another artist for their actual country effort.
It is like Beyonce wearing a cowboy hat saying, “it’s not a cowboy hat.”
The same thing is happening in women’s sports.
It is called gaslighting.
And it ends in “kill the farmer.”
May 20, 2025 @ 7:46 pm
In my adopted state it ended with repopulating the wolves and turning ranchers into felons if they protect their calves. Because “wolves aren’t the problem–people are the problem.”
Madness.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:22 am
Most people never learn until they are in the gulag or the guillotine’s blade swings down.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:58 am
Read that column yesterday. Sadly the comments were closed. All I wanted to write is “this author knows nothing about country music”, because that’s the only response it merits. But good on ya for going point by point.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:38 am
I have known about and followed Tressie McMillan Cottom for multiple years and read her takes on country music. I think that she had the potential to be an important voice about race and country, but have notice her assessments getting angrier and more terse over time, along with the holes in her knowledge base. I wanted to interact with her and offer her some respectful, but important criticism of her assessments through this NYT article. She has shut off all interactions on social media. As you point out, the comments on the article itself are closed.
This is why there is not even lip service paid to differing perspectives from her own in the article. This is the reason outright factual inaccuracies made it into the final draft. That is why there’s no steel manning of her own arguments. Unfortunately, intellectuals like Cottom have walled themselves off, and the present their opinions as final and superior. This does a disservice to their own arguments, and their own efforts.
I continue to receive flack for hosting an open comments section, including in this comments section itself. But to me, this is IMPERATIVE if you want to understand the differing perspectives on a matter, to have your own beliefs challenged, and to ultimately bolster your own arguments by seeing the holes in them, and either addressing them, or leaving behind the opinions that don’t hold water.
When you wall yourself off in these elite intellectual gardens, you get articles like this one in The New York Times, and the do demonstrably more harm to your cause than good.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:50 am
What purpose do articles like hers serve. Seriously. She’s clearly not a fan of the genre. She has hatred for it and its fans. And her article isn’t going to get more people into the genre and checking it out. So as someone who has followed her, what’s her game? What does she gain by doing this?
May 20, 2025 @ 2:17 pm
Her articles serve as a rallying point for justifying why country music is dangerous and should be transformed.
Useful idiots will heed her siren call.
May 20, 2025 @ 4:37 pm
Blacks have been given the entitlement to be gatekeepers of American pop culture, so her article is a distress signal of that agenda failing.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:24 am
Hank 33,
Thomas Sowell said best, “When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.”
The man is a genius. Everyone should read his works.
May 21, 2025 @ 5:16 pm
Yep. Thomas Sowell is up there with Fredrick Douglass.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:04 am
I mean, I get where she’s coming from sort of, but it’s such a narrow view, and it reads like she’s really uninformed about the genre in a whole host of ways. There’s definitely a (is) dichotomy (the right word?) among music listeners in terms of how genre is understood. With pop listeners being on the side of the fence that sees genre as a dressing of sonic elements that can be applied to anything regardless of its underlying structure or ethos. And on the other side, genre listeners who are invested in the core tenets of the genre as the main thing and see the pop approach as inherently false and superficial.
The idea that everyone should be able to participate in “country” is a very pop perspective that IMO is completely at odds with the idea of genre. As an example, LDR making a country album is as stupid as the idea of her making a funk album or a britpop album. She simply doesn’t have the background or the “right” to play, because she hasn’t paid her dues and frankly probably knows next to nothing about country music and has probably only minimally engaged with it. Which is all fundamentally at odds with the pop viewpoint in which anyone can participate as long as they just say whatever they’re doing is country. I think a lot of these pieces whiff for precisely that reason.
On the politics side, I think country is a lot more heterodox than these types of columnists/writers grasp or want to grasp. It’s one of the reasons I as a pretty far left Democrat do get endlessly frustrated with the Democratic party. It’s a very NYC and Silicon Valley centered viewpoint that can often reek of living in a very small cultural bubble in which whatever NYC and SV are up to is obviously what everyone else should be up to for….reasons. Like, I never want to see east coast Megalopolis or Bay Area leadership in the party again. I’m 1000% on the side of state schools, and the progressive side of middle America running the show. But that’s all a digression.
At the end of the day the writer clearly doesn’t know her shit, doesn’t understand the different between pop and genres, and has a major beef with a not-very-accurate picture of country music.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:04 am
Stop worrying about catering to black people, and liberals, and your life gets much more enjoyable
May 20, 2025 @ 10:41 am
Exactly!
May 20, 2025 @ 5:02 pm
Head on a swivel.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:10 am
Frankly, on these kinds of articles, I usually land squarely to the left of Trigger and several miles left of the comment section. I am a card-carrying educated, city-dwelling liberal who is subscribed to the New York Times and appreciates the majority of their journalism. I read Dr. McMillan Cottom’s piece the day it came out, and was annoyed for the next couple of hours.
This op-ed has nothing insightful to say and only stokes the existing political and social divides that I want to see healed. It’s deeply frustrating to me that this is the portrayal of country music that my friends and others in my circle see. It feels directly insulting to who I am, where I came from, and the things that matter to me. I will never not be bothered by the pervasive assumption that the only reason I could dislike Beyonce’s record is that I’m racist.
I hope for better in the future from NYT and other major publications. Trig, you’re going to catch hell for this article but I appreciate you writing it. Going to take a walk and spin the new Kat Hasty album.
May 20, 2025 @ 5:36 pm
Same as you. 1000%.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:27 am
I don’t understand making a connection to the state of Country music and who is in the presidency. 92′-2000 was full-on 90’s Country and that was under Clinton. Sturgill Simpson and Kacy Musgraves hit the scene under Obama. Bush Jr presided over the sharp decline in Country music.
For the last two decades Country music as far as the mainstream Nashville machine is concerned has struggled to find an identity. Even this last Morgan Wallen album is more of a pop album than Country. The instrumentation is similar to what is on Chappel Roan’s album. Music as a whole is struggling with how to integrate nostalgia while creating something new.
Zach Top was definitely influenced by 80’s and older Country, despite how his album sounded. The live video of him singing Ramblin’ Fever by Haggard has the right cadence and timing of someone who is very familiar with that type of Country music.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:43 am
Completely false narrative there about the rise and fall of country music paralleling the presidency, though you see this theory forwarded commonly in Academia.
I’m not saying there isn’t some ’80s influence in Zach Top’s music. But nobody would characterize him as an ’80s-inspired artist. It’s clearly a ’90s country sound he looking to evoke, and I covered this topic in depth weeks ago.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:29 am
I propose you implement a Cottom Award for the most uninformed writing on country music.
Articles like hers reinforce why Hank reportedly cussed out and hung up on Mitch Miller. Nashville has enough internal problems without know-nothings skin-grafting their politics onto it.
Though as bad as it can be, it’s not in absolute freefall the way the movie industry is.
May 20, 2025 @ 1:26 pm
There’s actually a Chet Flippo International Country Award (or something like that) that MTSU gives out each year. My guess is that Cottom has already won it at some point. But if she hasn’t, this will probably seal the deal for her. Someone else asked what is even the point of an article like this, and it’s to build clout in these elite media circles for the author. That is truly its only value as it creates collateral damage throughout the country community.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:38 am
It is sad and frustrating such ignorance gets wide media coverage. It is irresponsible and unnecessarily divisive and it helps no one. It will no doubt get the clicks it is designed for.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:46 am
I saw thia when it came out and had a similar facepalm. I wondered if you were going to see it and respond… And well here we are!
This type of politicized discussion of country music is getting so convoluted and confusing. I honestly don’t even really know what country is anymore. I guess it’s whatever the Nashville machine poops out or whatever’s on the Country charts or was on the charts at one point. Or it’s Beyonce, but also not Beyonce at the same time. Or something like that. Again we are in weird territory here.
I’m a regular reader of this blog but at this point it probably makes more sense to identify as an Americana fan. Or if I am interested in country it’s Dale Watson’s” Ameripolitan.” The word “country” has become toxic. It’s sad.
May 20, 2025 @ 1:33 pm
Country is still country. I agree with Cottom that calling country “Americana” is insulting and a relegation of actual country music. Americana is a genre, but it’s an amalgam of American roots music, not a pure form of any one of them like country. The problem is institutions like Billboard and The New York Times who are charged with representing all elements of American culture have been corrupted by ideology. Absolutely nothing about the BigXthaPlug song that’s been a #1 for multiple weeks has anything to do with country music. But Billboard includes it on the charts in fear of being called racist for leaving it off like they were with Lil Nas X and Beyonce previously.
Cottom and her cohort have won their battle for those institutions. But the jokes on them, because nobody’s really paying attention to the Billboard charts anymore, especially after they were set behind a paywall, just like The New York Times. They won the battle, but are losing the war. Actual country music is more popular than ever,and that’s what she’s raging about here.
May 20, 2025 @ 11:15 am
Trigger thanks for the article, I think you dismantled her argument quite well. I like the point you made how the article suggested Nashville and the mainstream was the sole way to get recognition and that is as you point out,outdated. Also liked the discussion on Candice Watkins. Also love the love the post about the audience makeup. Morgan as the genres biggest superstar, and the face of it whether who like it or not, his demographic fan makeup is literally everyone. All races, genders, sexual orientation, economic class. Whereas someone like Jason Isbell for all his rants on the topic that mirror the nytimes article, his audience is almost exclusively white male hipsters. Morgan is signaled as being maga, republican and male coded but and I think even Kyle who isn’t the biggest Morgan fan, clearly, that Morgan ironically does way more to bring people to the genre than isbell and The NY Times article author do. Country is the biggest genre in large part because of Morgan. You may not like his version or style of country, but he’s big for a reason and he’s the face for a reason. The booming of the industry, the expansion, the constant articles in outlets that 10 years ago wouldn’t be caught dead taking about country. Morgan is the catalyst for a lot of this. He’s not the sole reason of course, but country is on the lips and hearts of literally everyone right now. To paint the genre as a bunch of good old boys, whites, and exclusively one political persuasion is a deep misunderstanding of the moment we are in as a genre and of the power of the genre. Whether you like it or not Morgan’s new album will be the biggest selling album in the genre in 2025, it already is. And will be on the charts for the next 3 years. It isn’t just white straight men who are making that happen.
May 20, 2025 @ 11:56 am
Relax. It’s one radical black woman’s opinion.
Does the New York Times give too much space to radical black women–and trans activists, for that matter?
Yeah, probably more than I would give if I were in charge of the paper.
But that’s not all they publish.
And no, the Times definitely should not take your suggestion/directive that they only allow a country music specialist to write about country music. That’s as absurd as saying that coountry music artists must not comment on anything other than country music.
May 20, 2025 @ 1:39 pm
Sorry, but i don’t think your analogy works.
Most major periodicals have a dedicated journalist to cover pop or hip-hop music. Have one that covers country music too. Or maybe country AND rock music. Or maybe independent music. All of these segments have massive market share in the industry, but little or no dedicated representation in the media. Why? Because country music is seen as cornpone and inferior. It’s not to be taken seriously. Jazz and classical have more dedicated writers than country, and fractions the amount of popularity. It’s bigotry. At the least contract out to a country writer if you want to cover a certain subject, or have your entertainment writer interview a country journalist.
May 20, 2025 @ 4:16 pm
“Why? Because country music is seen as cornpone and inferior. It’s not to be taken seriously. Jazz and classical have more dedicated writers than country, and fractions the amount of popularity. It’s bigotry.”
Sheesh. Sounds like a parody of Red State–or Trump, himself–as far as the embrace of victimization and getting the jump on your perceived foes by declaring anyone and everyone who’s on the “other” side of being a bigot, racist, communist, hater or “terrible people.”
One needs to be something of an expert in classical music and opera to write about or review symphony concerts of the New York Philharmonic or Metroplitan Opera performances in the depth of a NYT-article.
A popular music writer and critic can cover many types of music including country.
May 20, 2025 @ 4:35 pm
Luckoldson,
I love you man, but I’m not sure you know what you’re talking about here. Tressie McMillan Cottom beclowned herself and undercut her own arguments by exposing her basic lack of knowledge about country music. NOBODY with even a cursory understanding of country music would characterize Morgan Wallen, Jelly Roll, and Zach Top as a “Holy Trinity” of country artists who helped repopularize the genre. I’m not saying that someone who writes about something else cannot write about country music too. But it should be done so sparingly and respectfully as opposed to veering into the genre, calling everyone involved with it racist, and speaking down to artists as “boys.”
Ironically, it is The New York Times pop writer Jon Caramanica that is the perfect example of this cross-genre failure. As Cottom decries artists like Jelly Roll for co-opting Black music to resell it to White America, one of Jelly Roll’s biggest proponents has been Caramanica. He’s also pushed White hip-hop artists like Kidd G, and expressly calling them the kind of stars country music needs, and specifically because they bring trap beats and other hip-hop influences to their music in the belief this will ultimately open up country music to more Black performers. If Cottom wants to find a culprit for who is facilitating the theft of Black modes of country music, she needs to look no further than Caramanica and The New York Times. Meanwhile, a website like Saving Country Music is rejecting that music.
It would NEVER occur to me to veer into the pop/hip-hop space, insult the entire population of artists and fans, claim the entire industry is racist, and demand they remake themselves in my own image. If a hip-hop/pop writer wants to write about a specific artist, cover a concert, or even engage in a dialogue about trends, etc., that might be one thing. Demanding an entire genre bow down obsequiously to Academic ideology and become a vehicle for political activism seems a little much. Also, it will never happen, has already failed, and will fail yet again.
May 21, 2025 @ 9:31 am
“Most major periodicals have a dedicated journalist to cover pop or hip-hop music. Have one that covers country music too. Or maybe country AND rock music. Or maybe independent music. All of these segments have massive market share in the industry, but little or no dedicated representation in the media. Why? Because country music is seen as cornpone and inferior. It’s not to be taken seriously. Jazz and classical have more dedicated writers than country, and fractions the amount of popularity. It’s bigotry.”
At the same time that the NYTimes doesn’t have a country music beat writer, it’s also slashed its local coverage, its sports coverage, and so much more. These are reflections of where the media business stands today. I think it’s, at best, overly simplistic to say that bigotry is why they don’t have a country music beat writer. Are there specific cultural and institutional forces at work that lead them to over-cover jazz, classical, and opera? Absolutely. Does it drive me – a NYC native who could care less about those topics but who loves country music – nuts? Sure. Just as it drives me nuts that I can’t go into the Times and get quality coverage on the Knicks playoff run, the Rangers offseason, or local political events outside of major topics like the mayoral race. Are those examples of bigotry too though? Not likely.
For the record, I thought your article was, on the whole, an excellent response, and I don’t want this comment to detract from that, but just sharing my thoughts on this specific point because I think you’re pretty off base on this one.
May 21, 2025 @ 11:17 am
If The New York Times doesn’t want to cover country music or doesn’t have the budget for it, I understand. Allowing people who are uniquely unqualified to commentate on country music to do so in the pages of The New York Times where it holds so much weight and resonates so widely is a dangerous, and ultimately, counter-productive effort both for the paper, and the authors of these pieces. In previous eras, I had writers for The New York Times, The Washington Post, and other periodicals call me up and interview me about certain topics to get context and understanding. Now they don’t call anyone, or they quote Tressie McMillan Cottom PhD as their country music expert. This is why these institutions are failing to reach the audience they wish and are hemorrhaging credibility.
I point this stuff out to be constructive. Ironically, with the whole Beyonce thing, I actually was interviewed multiple times about it by multiple outlets. CNN flew me up to New York for an interview. There was a curiosity, in part because there was such a lack of consensus in the media that the album actually was “country” that many in the media did see the importance of discussing it. That is why this New York Times piece feels like a return to the type of 2021 ideological grandstanding that many people have rejected as counter-productive.
May 21, 2025 @ 12:00 pm
Hey Trigger,
I’m with you on everything you said here, especially the point about this feeling like a return to the type of 2021 grandstanding that I desperately want to see the Dems/left leave behind. I also agree that articles like this hurt the Times’ credibility, even if it’s an opinion article rather than a news one.
I just don’t see how any of what you said points to bigotry. There’s lots wrong with the article and with the Times’ coverage, or lack thereof, of country music. But where’s the bigotry? I’m quibbling with that specific charge, not with your other points.
As always, I appreciate the thoughtfulness and care you put into this article and topic. That’s actually why I’m asking these questions; the charge seems out of both place and character.
May 21, 2025 @ 1:43 pm
Hey Pat,
So I’m not sure if the “bigotry” you are referring to is via Cottom’s article, or The New York Times generally not covering country music. In the latter “bigotry” might be too strong a word, but I do think it shows a level of bias. If as Cottom claims in her article, whoever controls country music controls American culture, wouldn’t it behoove America’s top newspaper to have a hand in covering it?
The specific part of Cottom’s column that came across to me as bigotry was when she expressly went out of the way to say, “and they are boys.” To me, it felt like she was doubling down, and leaving no question that she wanted “boy” to be taking as a cut down or pejorative.
There is a scene from the movie “Panther” about the Black Panthers that I seem to refer to all the time, because it’s such a great illustration of so many important lessons of American history and culture. In the scene, the police refer to one of the Black Panthers as “boy,” and it’s meant and taken to be an epithet. That is when the Black Panthers are inspired to start calling the police “pigs” in response. That scene is what I thought about when reading Cottom’s words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wort6LYXWw
I’ve known about, read, and witnessed Cottom speak, and have a lot of respect for her, even if I disagree. I really was surprised by the level of anger that came through in her column.
May 21, 2025 @ 8:17 pm
Trigger,
I was referring to the “bigotry” that you initially mentioned. Maybe I misunderstood your comment, but in responding to Luckyoldsun you said:
“Because country music is seen as cornpone and inferior. It’s not to be taken seriously. Jazz and classical have more dedicated writers than country, and fractions the amount of popularity. It’s bigotry.”
I took this to mean that you felt the New York Times’ inferior and/or minimal coverage of country music was down to bigotry. Maybe I misread your comment, but I was responding to what seemed like the clear statement that you made.
I think you’re right in changing that to “bias” rather than “bigotry,” but I also think that’s a crucial and substantive difference. To me, bias suggests either a blindspot or a strategic choice; bigotry suggests malice. I agreed with you that the Times has a bias towards certain music (classical, jazz, opera), but I still think that’s down to a combination of factors that have nothing to do with “bigotry.” As I initially said, I think those factors largely center around budgetary and logistical constraints, which is why I grouped the lack of country music coverage with the lack of sports and local political coverage that used to be mainstays of the paper when I was younger.
I could have misunderstood you, but when you said “it’s bigotry,” I took that to pretty clearly mean that you thought the lack of country music coverage was due to bigotry, and that’s what I’m responding to. I don’t see any malice in failing to cover country music, New York sports, or local politics. I think it’s due to industry-wide problems that have to do with budget and demand issues.
In terms of Cottom’s column specifically, I’m with you on the vast majority of your points, and my initial comment wasn’t meant to critique anything you said in your article. I was just responding to your comment on Luckyoldsun’s post.
Your specific point about her saying “and they are boys,” though, is actually one of the only claims you made in the article that I’m not sold on. I hadn’t planned to comment on that, but since you’ve pointed to it here, I’ll share my thoughts. I took that specific reference from her to be pointing out something that you’ve also specifically and emphatically highlighted this year: the lack of female representation throughout both mainstream and independent country. We may just be reading her column differently on that specific sentence, but I read it as a similar critique to yours from your “Final Issue to Save Country Music” article earlier this year. Again, this wasn’t what I’d initially responded to, but now just offering my two cents on how that line came across to me.
Like you, I was also surprised by the level of anger in her column, and I agree with the overwhelming majority of your assessment of it. I’m with you on this article – it was weirdly angry, counterproductive, and just factually wrong in so many ways.
May 20, 2025 @ 12:15 pm
I am disappointed, though not entirely surprised, that nobody has noted the early — and direct — influence Black musicians had on two of country’s towering figures, Hank Williams and Bill Monroe. Neither Hank nor Bill would have been the artist he grew up to be without them.
May 20, 2025 @ 1:37 pm
Hank’s connections and “mentorhship” from Rufus “Tee Tot” Payne have been noted quite a bit. In fact, Hank Jr. did a song about it and made it sort of the theme of a whole album.
And don’t forget that Ronnie Dunn was influenced by “Old Man” Wrigley–though I’m not sure what instrument Wrigley played or what kind of singning he did in his heyday.
May 20, 2025 @ 1:45 pm
Yeah, I’ve covered Tee-Tot on here countless times. It was just a time issue to broach that in this article.
I will say though that Cottom and others do engage in a rather pernicious form of Black erasure when they present country music without talking about ANY of the success stories or achievements because it undermines their characterizations of country music as being all about undergirding “white nationalism.” They purposely overlook Black contributors, or downplay their contributions or achievements. I did try to emphasize some of this in the article by highlighting Candice Watkins and others.
There are Black people doing amazing things in country music. If you want to make a difference, make sure to take the time to highlight them. And instead of just posting gripes, forward solutions and actionable plans.
May 20, 2025 @ 2:22 pm
I’m so tired of this point being made on every post about race and country. It’s old and tired.
May 20, 2025 @ 9:41 pm
Well, it went the other way once with Stoney Edwards singing “Hank and Lefty Raised My Country Soul” about how he learned everything about music from listening to Hank Williams and Lefty Frizzell on the radio in his daddy’s old Ford when Stoney was “just about 10 years old.” Stoney sang it so convincingly that when I head it, I believed it was his true story–until once I was doing some clicking on the Internet and noticed that Hank William was born in 1923, Lefty was born in 1928, and Stoney was born in ’29!
(The song may have some autobiographical elements for its writer, Dallas Frazier, who was born in 1939 and was right around 10 when Hank and Lefty hit it big.)
May 21, 2025 @ 6:45 am
My point, which missed some commenters by a country mile, is not that Tee-Tot isn’t known to knowledgeable students of country-music history, but that those fans who are not informed (i.e., most) are oblivious to his existence. (I’ve known ordinary country fans all of my life, but I could count on one hand those who recognize the name of Hank’s mentor.) The woman who wrote the rightly criticized NYT screed doesn’t mention Tee-Tot or Arnold Schulz because their presence — and that of others like them — undermines her clumsy argument that country is a product of American racism, period.
American racism is real, of course, but it is not the only American reality. As with all history, country’s is complicated, full of contradictions and qualifications, and it is not amenable to lazy demonization and stereotyping — ironically, practices routinely evident in various contexts in SCM’s comments section. Seeing the genre solely through a racial lens is profoundly misleading, suspiciously motivated, and pointlessly divisive.
I was attempting to argue as much. I thought my target was obvious. Evidently not.
May 20, 2025 @ 12:15 pm
“…or mention of the countless Black artists surging in the independent ranks, from Charley Crockett…”
Charley Crockett is Black? I truly had no idea. Not kidding. Not that it makes any difference in my opinion of his music.
Learn something new everyday.
May 20, 2025 @ 12:42 pm
I remember reading this article yesterday and thinking this will be fun to argue about on SCM. Anyway, I’m from Chicago but my Dad is from Virginia. I grew up going to NASCAR races and listening to bluegrass and country music. I also went to college in Virginia and I’ve spent a ton of time in the South.
About 25 years ago I read an article in the NYT about NASCAR and I was laughing out loud by the second paragraph. So while I believe the NYT is still the best newspaper in the country, I learned a long time ago that unless it’s a journalist who grew up in the South, the reporting about the South is laughable, so why freak out about it, especially considering the fact that Rush Limbaugh was calling me a “libtard” 25 years ago and right-wing talk radio was calling for my execution then (and now) because I’m not pro-KKK/Stephen Miller.
As to the article itself, I went in preparing to laugh at it. I thought the author raised some interesting points about race, I enjoyed her making fun of Morgan Wallen and Jelly Roll and “country radio,” all of which I despise, and beyond that, whatever.
But both bluegrass and country have always been pretty damn white, despite Bill Monroe, Jimmie Rodgers & Hank Williams all having been inspired/tutored by black musicians. And the greatest country music has always had a strong blues component, and great country is often described as the white man’s blues, when the reality is that in the 1920’s & 1930’s it was all blended together anyway. So please explain to me how there’s no racial history in the idea that country is the “white man’s blues” but the blues is the black man’s blues, when they all started out as the same music?
So for the commentators that seem to think that “preserving country culture” means keeping “the blacks,” or the word you’re really thinking, out of it, then my friends, you have a lot to learn about the history and culture of country music. And you may want to watch the old “Clayton Bigsby Doesn’t See Colour” skit on Chapelle’s show…
May 20, 2025 @ 1:14 pm
I see it the exact opposite bob! As has been pointed out, for all of the supposed implied right wing white male coded imagery and lyrics we are supposed to find in the current day music, it’s startling diverse. Morgan Wallen’s audience isn’t Straight white males, at least not exclusively. You don’t become the biggest country artist of the last 20 years without also have some female, black, Latino, Asian, and even lgbtq fans. And for all the bluster and virtue signaling, American Aquarium, Isbell, and others like that play to white audiences almost exclusively. You think people in the ghettos of Detroit listen to the 400unit and DBT? Would be a shocker to me because that demographic doesn’t show up for those shows or steam them. But those demographics do and did stream Whiskey Whiskey. The funny thing about Clayton bigsby is you clearly don’t know the reference. Chappelle is seen as a person worthy of being cancelled because he doesn’t adhere to the woke mind virus and doesn’t virtue signal or bow to the woke mob. Additionally the only people worried about race are you and the author. You can be purple for all I care, if you make good country I want to listen. What I won’t be doing is saying you are a god or goddess just because you have melaninated skin and that we need to worship you because of it. That is literally a klan talking point. That because you were born with the skin you have that you are beyond reproach and that you are the greatest thing on gods earth. No because of you being human but because and solely because of your skin tone. That’s racism and that’s exactly what the author espoused. It’s judging someone based on their skin color not based on the content of their character. That’s literally what the kkk were about, bob.
May 20, 2025 @ 5:13 pm
Stephen Miller is Jewish.
Tying him to the KKK makes you look stupid.
May 20, 2025 @ 1:10 pm
You make a lot of really great points and point out the inaccuracies of the article, so thank you for that, and I appreciate you making a lot of great points as I am sure this is not fun to write about. I just challenge you to not run to the defense of “well, what about these black artists I can name?!” as a defense. Also, the definition of racism is creating hate based on the racial identity of a marginalized group, so no, the post isn’t “racist” against white people. If you want to call it discriminatory, that’s up to opinion, but racism would not be the accurate word.
Just because we see some black representation does not mean that things are perfect, and we do not know how people are treated behind the scenes. I also challenge us to challenge the notion of “politics.” Look, I understand some people have religious and other beliefs that mean they don’t agree with gay people, abortions, that racism exists, etc. But people being allowed to be free and make decisions that are legal should not be up to your belief system, and we should all be allowed the freedoms to live our lives. What is happening is blatant violations of constitution, free speech, and the very ideals on which we are built are being threatened. Disagreeing about economics or foreign policy is one thing, but to politicize left and right whether due process, or gay marriage should be allowed, is not political – it is freedom. So when I see some of these artists who hint at views, like Parker McCollum hanging out with Kid Rock and performing at the Trump inauguration – it isn’t just politics. I could care less what he thinks if it were “politics.” It feels deflating because it is hard to separate the fact that he might be aligned with ideals that say my women, gay, or friends of color should somehow not be believed as much or be subjected to less rights than me as a straight man.
Racism and discrimination exist, and acknowledging that doesn’t mean everyone is bad and should be punished. Sure, there are some loud people on the left who want you to feel that, but when our neighbor is telling us they are experiencing hurt or discrimination, why are we so slow to believe them? To think that a country who massacred native americans and built the country with slaves might sometimes have a little racism baked in to how it operates is so hard to believe? Or if you want to pick and choose what you preach about from your bible and say gays are bad (even though you are probably letting women talk in church, wearing blended fibers, getting a haircut), go ahead, but your religion should not dictate the constitutional rights of others.
Country music was born from black voices, and it used to be such a beautiful challenge to those who wanted to maintain American freedoms and stand up to too much government. Now, it’s full of bootlickers who can’t do enough to ignore the constitutional and freedom violations just because they are afraid of what “woke” might mean.
May 20, 2025 @ 2:16 pm
Totally disagree. I don’t want those things in my country music. Those who, like you seemingly, who attempt to Trojan horse this woke mind virus agenda into my country are dishonest people. I’m
Sorry, dude, but I’m not into country music that promotes the woke agenda. That’s just not why I listen to the music.
May 20, 2025 @ 2:45 pm
At some point you’re going to have to come to terms with the fact that country music doesn’t exist solely for you.
May 20, 2025 @ 3:15 pm
Which is exactly the point of trigger and my arguments. The NY Times author explicitly states country music was made for and by lgbtq bipoc individuals and the icky sight of an all white crowd and artist lineup at that festival disgusted her.
“At some point you’re going to have to come to terms with the fact that country music doesn’t exist solely for you“
That’s literally why people are upset, my dude. That’s the entire fucking point. The facts are that country music isn’t just for black woke people. It wasn’t SOLELY created by those people. It isn’t SOLELY consumed or created by those people nowadays. And the white people that are icky that she named as ignorant fans and artists, have more diverse fanbases than the woke mind virus people like isbell. His music isn’t popular with blacks anyways. It’s literally an audience of wine mom hipsters who virtue signal as liberal and tolerant but will move to the suburbs to get away from “those people”.
The articles entire point was to label audience and creators as irredeemable racists. I’m sorry, dude, but I’m not swallowing that bullshit whole like you seem willing to. Fuck that
May 21, 2025 @ 7:01 am
The article was bad. I’ve said it multiple times but you can’t seem to comprehend that. I can disagree with the article and also you at the same time. You don’t get to pick what is or isn’t allowed in “your” country music. Or “your” country, for that matter.
May 20, 2025 @ 3:25 pm
Sorry, I don’t have to come to any point or realization. Not interested
May 20, 2025 @ 5:53 pm
The vast majority of country music fans are in fact conservative JC.
May 20, 2025 @ 6:46 pm
Sure. Doesn’t mean other views aren’t allowed. You and the mentally unstable fellow don’t get to decide that it’s all Toby Keiths and no John Prines.
May 21, 2025 @ 8:23 am
Who are you to decide for me what is and
Is not country and what’s allowed and what isn’t? This website is literally about a person’s viewpoint on that very question. So Kyle can have an opinion and I can’t? Fuck that. I’m going to tell you how this goes, my man. I will decide what I think is country and what isn’t and I will voice that opinion, fucking loud. And if you have a problem with it, too bad! the people who are invading and infesting our music and way of life can get the fuck out of my country. Period. They aren’t wanted. The author of that ny times article included. We need to decide the type of behavior and moral and ethics that are allowed in our music, our cities and towns, in our way of life. If those behaviors don’t match or don’t align the people who don’t conform to the expected behaviors must be expelled and removed from the spaces where they reside. The message has to be made crystal clear, if a person is expressing Marxist and woke doctrine and is poisoning our culture, our music, our institutions, they must be removed and thrown in prison. They must be removed from all power and never be allowed to gain that power ever again. This isn’t a joke, these individuals will hollow out our country music and wear it as a skin suit. We aren’t going to allow that to happen. That’s the entire fucking point of the website. It’s why Kyle started it. they don’t get to decide our music. WE do. I’m not interested in having my country music full of weepy songs about saint fentanyl Floyd, or how awful America is, or how we need to promote the trans agenda and horseshit like that. We need to stand up and say that’s not going to occur…ever. And those who engage in promoting that in our music, need to be drummed out, fined. Ruined financially and eventually imprisoned. I’m so tired of it.
May 21, 2025 @ 9:02 am
They should be ruined financially and imprisoned for bringing the woke, Marxist, trans agenda to your country music.
That’s what you just said. You are delusional. None of that is happening, anywhere. Turn off Newsmax man, your brain is mush.
May 20, 2025 @ 2:31 pm
Hey Jay,
I was cognizant while writing this article that in the past I’ve been criticized for rattling off a bunch of Black performers and being like, “See! There’s tons of Black artists! And I know about them and you don’t!” whether that criticism is fair or not. So I tried to keep that to a minimum, and why I focused more on Candice Watkins and her story, because I think it’s a better illustration for this particular topic.
But I do think it is important when advocating for Black creators in country that we 1) Name names and do the work to highlight their music beyond these debates in substantive ways that can support their career. 2) Not just instigate gripe sessions, but actually talk about solutions and actionable strategies of how to address problems.
May 20, 2025 @ 1:21 pm
It’s such a shame that journalism in 2025 is nothing more than opinion-sharing, regardless of whether or not those opinions are well-formed by any real factual information. People often forget that one of the very real dangers of racism and any other form of prejudice is that there are those who will see hate when it isn’t there, much like this writer. When that person, who is seeing something that doesn’t exist, gets to call themselves a journalist, you end up with what’s basically libel, something that should not be tolerated in journalism, but for the past 10-15 years, undoubtedly has been, often even celebrated.
There are obvious dangers on clamping down on journalism, and I don’t trust anyone to do it correctly, so unfortunately it is best that we continue to tolerate this nonsense. Remember, “disinformation” and “misinformation” aren’t even real things–they’re just hot-button words used on anything that doesn’t get in line, politically.
May 20, 2025 @ 2:10 pm
I don’t think that’s a danger of racism. She is racist . Literally fits the description. This ain’t an outgrowth of racism. It’s racism, flat out. Unless you have the balls to call the author a racist like I and a few others do, you are just pussyfooting around the issue. It’s excusing disgusting behavior based on the color of the interlocutors skin. The point remains, we love the music. Solely for the music. If you decide to make the music about advancing an agenda it’s not only not wanted it needs to be completely excised from the industry at large and not given a platform. The authors who promote it should be roundly castigated, fired, fined and if possible prosecuted and locked in prison. If your idea of loving country music involves lying about its origins, it’s creators, and it’s current creatives and fans, those who propagate this should be driven from the industry and kicked the fuck out of my country. If your existence is solely to drudge up narratives and ghosts from 150 years ago, that’s not an honest and fair broker. And it shouldn’t be honored in the slightest. If your existence is to solely complain about the racial makeup of our genre, to whine about how their are too much of this group and not enough of this other group, to label one group superior to another as the author does, that is literal Farrakhan like language and should be mocked and ridiculed just as he is.
May 20, 2025 @ 2:48 pm
This sort of journalism is opinion-sharing because it’s literally from the Opinion page of the NYT. Surprisingly, opinions are all you’re going to find in that section.
The real danger is the inability of the public in general (and a certain older generation in particular) to distinguish between fact-based reporting and opinion pieces.
May 20, 2025 @ 3:23 pm
It’s also the responsibility of outlets to moderate like trigger does outright lies and disinformation and racial grievance politics like that article. A majority of the blame goes to the author herself which you seem to ignore. She isn’t dumb. She has access to the same information we all have. We know country is a bunch of racists or solely white people. Yet she says this is so. At some point you have to call that out as the horseshit it is, and not excuse it as the way things are. The public is correct on the issue. They are fans of all the people she listed as “dangerous”. The public could look at Morgan as the way she presented him. The public clearly doesn’t agree with her assessment of him, his new album is quite successful even a few days released. So no, the “ignorant” doesn’t ring true, it’s smear merchants like the author who are the issue. If I were any of the artists mentioned I’d sue her for defamation and also push for the fbi to investigate her. She should be in prison, full stop.
May 20, 2025 @ 3:30 pm
You honestly need to turn the TV and get some help. These comments are so angry and detached from reality it’s insane.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:40 am
So the author has no agency at all? Your argument seems to be the media at large and the public is responsible for this mess. The media at large and the public didn’t write the article. The author did. She is completely delusion and has hatred for us all. If you think she was going to write that and get away with it, you are out of your mind, dude. She has no idea about us, country music its history and its audience, or any of it. Which is bizarre because she wrote an article claiming she did know all that. Her worldview is “I am a black woman” and she views everything through that lens. Including things that have no bearing on being a black woman. It’s racial supremacy writ large, she flat out said she only cares about the genre when it has bipoc people involved . Why is that acceptable to say and print? It’s libelous, and frankly treason. As trigger said, if you print that shit, you will get it back tenfold and she has in the comments here. She is a disgusting person whose goal is to foment a racial fight about people like the late scholar fentanyl Floyd.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:44 am
I haven’t seen one comment from “It’sgettindark…” (and whatever other screennames he’s ranting under) that has any sense of rationality to it. The dude is totally unhinged.
May 21, 2025 @ 12:17 pm
Doesn’t sound angry to me. Sounds focused and heated. You’re name-calling. There’s always the kitchen door.
May 21, 2025 @ 12:21 pm
“focused”
LOL, good joke Corncaster.
May 20, 2025 @ 5:18 pm
Ever wonder why NY Times opinion pieces don’t have comment sections?
Well, now you know.
May 20, 2025 @ 5:30 pm
They don’t need a comment section in their places. The crazy takes are literally the articles like in this ny times piece. Any crazy was already expressed brilliantly by the author. Does she filter every article though the lens of race? Seems like it. That’s a lunatic operating principle to have but she has it. It’s race grifting and race hatred writ large in an attempt to manufacture racial tensions ala fentanyl Floyd, St. George, summer of love riots. My guess is the people who attempt to riot will not like the results in 2025. Fuck around and find out.
May 20, 2025 @ 4:00 pm
Would you honestly suggest that there is fact-based reporting these days?
May 20, 2025 @ 4:18 pm
Sure. It’s not that hard to find if you read critically and compare what is reported with primary sources, videos, etc of the covered events.
I think certain folks have done quite a job convincing the masses that the only truths are the ones they speak, though.
May 22, 2025 @ 2:19 am
Lots of it. Not on Fox, though.
May 22, 2025 @ 3:16 am
It’s odd to single out Fox in 2025 when we’ve essentially had 10 years of blatantly false reporting from left-leaning outlets. Fox and their slant have been known about for years. Nowadays, they’re not even close to the worst of the bunch.
May 22, 2025 @ 5:35 pm
I remember all the other MSM networks saying Biden was just fine and sharp as a tack when the old fart got lost on his way to wherever he was going. But I guess you have your reasons for singling out Fox.
May 20, 2025 @ 1:21 pm
I’m European. I’m observing this tiresome intra-national culture war in the US with a mixture of astonishment and annoyance.
I think country music isn’t popular right now because of a political shift, but because this music has experienced a breathtaking burst of creativity since COVID, at the very latest, while other genres are languishing.
Hip hop, for example, is completely exhausted creatively. This was already clear with trap and mumble rap, and it’s even clearer now.
Pop has lost all innovative momentum due to the same, formulaic mega-diva pop of the past 20 years, from Katy Perry to Taylor Swift.
Rock has been trapped in a retro loop for about two decades, from which the genre apparently can’t escape.
Country, on the other hand, has overcome the terrible period of the artistic banalization of bro-country.
In my view, one of the key factors for this was that during COVID, there were simply more young people sitting somewhere in nature, accompanied by acoustic guitars, singing their own simple songs.
This simplicity and sincerity appealed to people and still appeals to them. People who sing and play guitar or banjo are more successful on social media than those who program drum loops on laptops and rap to autotune.
The fact that the pendulum is swinging toward country after two decades of plastic pop and trashy hip-hop is primarily due to musical reasons, not political ones.
May 20, 2025 @ 1:51 pm
Zach Bryan plays such a huge role in all of this. Right now the #1 song is Shaboozey’s “A Bar Song (Tipsy).” As I said when I reviewed it, what I hear is a Zach Bryan song. Shaboozey says he was listening to Zach Bryan and The Lumineers when he made it.
May 21, 2025 @ 10:53 am
I’d rather listen to Shaboozey that Zach Bryan any day of the week.
May 20, 2025 @ 2:30 pm
The internet decentralized so much of the music industry. The best music wasn’t in the mainstream and on the radio. I think you’re right in that the pendulum is swinging back to where the mainstream is being forced to accept more legit music now – even if it’s just for self preservation.
You aren’t going to hear Sierra Ferrell, Noeline Hoffman, Zach Bryan, Goose, or The 1975 on the mainstream radio.
I live 40 mins south of Nashville and shitty hip hop is the most common thing I hear being blared from cars. I would argue that sub 80 IQ hip hop is as popular as ever.
May 22, 2025 @ 2:23 am
I hate hearing hip hop blasting from cars going by. I don’t understand it. But you do realize that loads of people call country “sub 80 IQ” because they don’t understand it, right?
May 20, 2025 @ 3:16 pm
Well said.
The NYT would have done better to ask you to write an article.
May 20, 2025 @ 2:56 pm
As far as I know, Zach Bryan is the first country artist to play two nearly sold-out shows in London’s Hyde Park in a row. And he’s bringing along some absolutely top-notch support acts: Turnpike Troubadors, Noeline Hofmann, Ole 60, Gabriella Rose. The significance of this for the popularity of independent country in Europe cannot be overstated.
Charles Wesley Godwin is currently being celebrated frenetically in the UK, and in Australia, people are going crazy for Red Clay Strays, having previously gone wild for Wyatt Flores and Sierra Ferrell. At C2C in March, people were absolutely thrilled for Sam Barber, Wyatt Flores, and Dylan Gossett, and for The Castellows, whom many apparently hadn’t heard of yet, people were absolutely amazed. Sierra Ferrell’s UK tour this fall is largely sold out, and Billy Strings’ is selling out quickly, too. People from Italy and France are listening to country (!!!). Benelux, Scandinavia, and the German-speaking countries clearly have growing audiences. Independent country is on the rise worldwide. More and more people are simply interested in real music again. This has nothing to do with any domestic political fightings in the States.
May 20, 2025 @ 3:19 pm
This is fascinating. “Human culture for human beings.” Not “machine music for mega-commercial interests.” It may turn out that, for all our mutual irritations, we actually will prefer other human beings to their artificial alternatives.
Back to Nature.
May 22, 2025 @ 5:52 am
i’m italian and i was listening to country music long before zach bryan was even enlisted in the navy. ahaha. Anyway i can’t take anyone who puts Jellyroll, Morgan Wallen and Zach Top in the same bunch seriously.
May 20, 2025 @ 3:39 pm
Leave the NYT for the woke.
May 22, 2025 @ 2:25 am
And leave Fox News for the suckers.
May 20, 2025 @ 4:57 pm
That Tessie person should get off the bandwagon and stick to what she knows. Don’t know what that is, but pretty sure it involves race.
May 20, 2025 @ 5:51 pm
Is the majority of Nashville culture mostly conservative? Yes. Why is that a bad thing? Tired of these writers demonizing good American people for no reason. You hit the nail on the head, she is just upset that the efforts they put in to turn Nashville culture blue and take the country out of it have failed miserably. She isn’t a country music fan. She is a pop/r&b/hip hop fan who wants country to fully become that. Just another version of Hollywood.
May 20, 2025 @ 6:02 pm
It’s their desire to destroy anything that they feel is “for the republicans”. The majority of Nashville tourism is people on the right. They don’t like that so Nashville culture has to change. The majority of country musics audience is conservative because the sound speaks to that demographic. They don’t like that so the sound has to change. Frickin pisses me off.
May 20, 2025 @ 5:52 pm
I love Charley Daniels and I love big John Cash and I think Waylon Watasha Jennings is a table thumping smash-
Saw Bocephus in Ocala a week or so ago, after 45 yrs of seeing Hank Jr you know what you’re getting and all you that don’t like Hank Williams you can kiss our ass.
May 20, 2025 @ 6:12 pm
Thanks Trigger for calling out this ridiculous article. I wanted to respond but unfortunately our NYT account is under my wife’s name and I don’t think she’d appreciate being linked to a long rant about country music. The article wasn’t just wrong factually, analytically and morally, it was shallow and reeked of clickbait, which is even worse. If someone is serious and arguing in good faith, I can very much forgive their error, but if it’s meant only to enrage and go viral, that’s contemptible, albeit too frequent in this media ecosystem.
Now for an amusing story about the NYT. Background: I’m from the suburbs, grew up by a coastal city in the mid-Atlantic, professors and professionals on all sides of my family. The Washington Post and NYT, along with NPR, were just the air we breathed. Fast forward some 35 years and I’m the leader of a community organization in a town within 100 miles of NYC. Our state is facing a big political issue and one of the politicians whose voice really matters in this debate is connected to the organization I lead. NYT sends a reporter to our town to get background on this politician and I end up connecting with the reporter who asks me lots of questions about the politician. I say I can’t share any personal details about my relationship with him/her but that I’ve never spoken to him/her about this issue.
A few days later the NYT publishes a profile of the politician and says that I’m a big influence on his/her perspective on the issue, when I specifically and clearly said I had never spoken to them about it.
At that point I started wondering: what else in this or any other paper is just made-up BS?
I’m not saying that everything in media is lies or fake news, but when you have personal experience or particular knowledge of an area and see major media just completely botch the story, it’s sobering.
Carry on, Trigger, and give me some more new good stuff for my Spotify lists.
May 20, 2025 @ 7:08 pm
Good article. I jusr cant get myself to care enough to really go off on it all. That article is just a lot of noise. I found the remark that what they dont consider country they shift to americana or whatever interesting. It is true, that happens but it happens because its true. I made a comment in the johnny rodriguez article about how he went to country music, he didnt ask country music to come to him. Its fine if as an artist you want to make your own version of it or make music without borders but that doesnt mean the radio has to play it, doesnt mean people have to proclaim it country, def doesnt mean people have to like it. It has nothing to do with skin color or any other markers you want to put in there. If you want to be country, come to the country. If not thats fine but dont cry racism if you arent getting the attention you seek.
May 20, 2025 @ 10:35 pm
As a fan of country music who grew up in the 90’s, I don’t classify 95% of what is coming out today as anything even resembling country music. In my opinion, the ‘golden’ period of country music was the mid 70’s through the early 90’s, with more good material published before the 70’s than has been published since the late 90’s… the stuff being made more recently just isn’t country, no matter what they’re calling it.
The current performers that I listen to are not big names because traditional sound seems to not be popular anymore.
I keep hearing of new singers and trying to listen, but so many are only as good as the mediocre performers of even a decade ago that it’s rarely worth listening to them much.
May 21, 2025 @ 1:33 am
Without understanding the complexities, or even the undercomplexities, of the cultural discussions in the States: I’ve been listening to and collecting music from all eras for decades. I have hundreds of blues, soul, and funk records at home, and tens of thousands of blues, rhythm & blues, soul, and funk songs by black artists in my playlists, and I deeply admire this music.
But I have the impression that black music, with its almost monocultural narrowing to hip hop, has reached a creative and cultural dead end over the decades. Somehow, the cultural and spiritual momentum of black music seems to have waned.
In my perception, artists who return to the vital roots of black music, such as Rhiannon Giddens, Darius Rucker, Kashus Culpepper, Buffalo Nichols, or Yasmin Williams, are largely ignored by black audiences and black journalists. Instead, some journalists try with all their might to pull mainstream pop artists like Beyoncé into certain genres (in this case, country) and don’t understand why this doesn’t work.
Young white neotraditional artists like Zach Top and others, on the other hand, manage to connect to old musical traditions and revitalize them, achieving great success. There are certainly some great young black blues and soul musicians. But they mostly lead a niche existence and — this cannot be emphasized enough — are ignored or ignored by black audiences themselves. White musicians who connect to old musical traditions, however, are successful. Zach Top is just one example. Zach Bryan, Sam Barber, Jonah Kagen, etc. are further examples. I think an “intra-black” debate about why black music has largely lost its mass-market innovative power would be necessary.
Furthermore, opinion pieces like the one in the NYT fail to mention that there are Spanish-speaking bilingual or Mexican-American country artists with great success, such as Flatland Cavalry or Wyatt Flores.
This whole discussion should be less about alleged racism than about why black music has dried up as a source of innovation.
May 21, 2025 @ 7:47 am
Lots of spot-on points in your assessment, including the fact that it is White audiences almost exclusively who are supporting so many of these Black creators in the country and roots space, while Black and White intellectuals sit back and hector popular country for not supporting them, as hip-hop took over, dominated American culture, and ultimately, left Black music creatively bankrupt. Questlove has talked about this on numerous occasions.
https://savingcountrymusic.com/mono-genre-watch-questlove-says-hip-hop-failed-black-people/
You’re also spot on with your assessment of Mexican-American contributors to country music. There is another academic and “country history professor” named Amanda Marie Martinez who has talked about this, and goes through history and present day downplaying the roles and contributions of Brown creators to push the point of country music’s racism, participating in the same Brown erasure she purports to be fighting against.
And the common theme throughout all of these arguments is that if an artists isn’t mainstream and on the radio, they’re irrelevant, just like Cottam did with Rhiannon Giddens. Giddens doesn’t want to be headlining arenas and dancing in choreographed routines. She’s a traditionalist and banjo player.
May 21, 2025 @ 8:05 am
I’m just going to simply say: “Thank you for calling bullshit, on bullshit. Time to move on.”
May 21, 2025 @ 10:28 am
Charley Pride has a great line in his autobiography where he warns how America will choke due to her obsession with race.
He would hate her article.
I miss Pride. Country music misses Pride.
May 21, 2025 @ 2:56 pm
I had the honor to work with him for 2 years up to 2020 right before I left 2911 Media to launch my own firm. Good ole’ Charley wasn’t scared to share his perspectives candidly, in a way that didn’t come off as angry or mean about it. What he had to endure during his rise in the 60s/70s as compared to today…no comparison. Missed sorely is an understatement…
May 21, 2025 @ 10:30 am
“It’s 2014 and Charley Pride is slated to appear on the popular Canadian television talk show, George Stroumboulopoulos Tonight. The big moment arrives and Pride is invited onstage. No sooner does the singer sit down does the show’s host put his guest on the spot.
“I see you backstage, and what do you tell me?” Stroumboulopoulos asks Pride, to which the Grammy-winning country singer matter-of-factly replies: “I said we’re not gonna talk about the first Black, the first colored.” And just like that, Pride — country music’s first and only bona fide Black superstar — takes the topic of his most historic achievement off the table. It would be like Hank Aaron not wanting to discuss overtaking Babe Ruth’s home run record, or Michael Jordan refusing to talk about The Shot. Can you imagine Michael Jackson declining to relive 1983, when Thriller became the bestselling album of all time? It’s inconceivable.
That 2014 television appearance speaks volumes about Pride, who died Dec. 12 from complications related to COVID-19. Like many Black superachievers, he was both a fierce competitor and humble guy, someone who yearned to be viewed simply as a human being; a man to be judged solely on the strength of his work. He seemed perfectly willing to leave all that “Voice of His People” stuff to someone else, rarely calling attention to his race. As he wrote in his 1994 autobiography, “I wanted to stand or fall on my music, not my skin color.”
Balanced article: https://andscape.com/features/charley-pride-wanted-to-be-judged-by-his-work-not-his-race/
May 21, 2025 @ 10:41 am
OK, I can’t resist… Saving Country Music readers, who is your country music “holy trinity”?
May 21, 2025 @ 1:13 pm
Wow, I am shocked this article got so much response here. I read the NYT daily so I saw the piece when it came out, got about three paragraphs in and saw it was so uninformed it wasn’t worth reading. I strongly agree with Trigger’s opening comment. Would the Times assign someone who didn’t know anything about medicine to cover health, or who didn’t know anything about finance to cover Wall Street? I realize it’s an opinion piece, but I guess there’s no editors at the Times who could see how unqualified the writer was. Glancing through the comments here I guess what set people off is the racial angle, and I think we can all agree that the white people in this country have been discriminated against for far too long, ever since they were kidnapped and brought here to be slaves, and then slaughtered by the thousands by those damn “Native Americans.” I’m in tears right now thinking of all the white victims who can’t get jobs because all the rich people in this country are black racists. Boo hoo.
May 21, 2025 @ 1:37 pm
How is “boy” an epithet? (We black men of every and any age were dubbed “boys” by racist whites in the pre-Civil Rights Era,but we black lads are reclaiming “boy” ala the hashtag #blackboyjoy,which this 71-year-old handsome black cowboy gets when listening to my favourite Country [R&B/soul,pop,rock,etc.) artists).I call my fellow senior citizen buds “boys” or “boyo,” and take time out to be a boy by ogling hot girls.So Morgan Wallen,Jelly Roll and Zach Top are “boys” because they aren’t girls,of whom Country music still has far too few,along with,well, too few black boys.
May 21, 2025 @ 1:40 pm
How is “boy” an epithet? (We black men of every and any age were dubbed “boys” by racist whites in the pre-Civil Rights Era,but we black lads are reclaiming “boy” ala the hashtag #blackboyjoy,which this 71-year-old handsome black cowboy gets when listening to my favourite Country [R&B/soul,pop,rock,etc.) artists).I call my fellow senior citizen buds “boys” or “boyo,” and take time out to be a boy by ogling hot girls.So Morgan Wallen,Jelly Roll and Zach Top are “boys” because they aren’t girls,of whom Country music still has far too few,along with,well, too few black boys.
May 21, 2025 @ 2:42 pm
I also listen to other styles besides country. Also a lot of soul & reggae. I would never think of demanding that there should be more white soul & reggae artists. Why should I? There would be no point at all. When I say that white musicians can never make soul and reggae music as good as black ones, people agree with me. Nobody would call me a racist if I said something like that. People would be more likely to support my claim from a cultural and historical point of view.
In contrast to that is the demand made by certain people that there should be more black country artists.
And if someone would dare to say that black musicians couldn’t make country music as good as white musicians, all hell would break loose. – That doesn’t make any sense. Maybe it’s simply that black people just don’t like country and that country will never become black mass music. Where is the problem? Why this obsession with country? There are so many rich historical black styles and genres that are being done by black artists today just outside of mass taste. Why aren’t these revitalized?
May 21, 2025 @ 4:38 pm
I fundamentally disagree with the author of the article in The NY Times. Systemic institutional racism, including in the country music industry, no longer exists. And the author sounds like a pc baby and whiny loser by claiming she can’t enjoy country music unless all performers and artists and fans look like her is an example of not only an inflated sense of self, but also delusions of grandeur based on the idea that one’s race or gender is the sole and most important way to view not only some things, but ALL things. I have no sympathy for that pov and its downright evil. We saw that during the summer of love in 2020 where half the fucking country was set on fire because a black drug addict who wouldn’t follow police orders, and was high on meth, fentanyl and pot, died in police custody. The nytimes author would suggest this is an example of racism. When in fact it was the result of a black criminal dying, sadly because of drugs and not listening. I have no sympathy for that. It’s whining, entitlement culture. Slavery ended how many years ago? Im tired of the discussion. As said upthread, if you have an entitled life where things are given to you, when things are made equal and are based on merit, that can seem unfair to that person. When in fact it’s just fairness playing out. I agree.
May 21, 2025 @ 5:36 pm
Racist much,It’sgettingdarktildaylight?Just call Mr. Floyd an ugly black beast who deserved to be murdered,as you and your fellow Trumpsters no doubt do.Your white supremacist “opinions” are among the reasons many POC view Country as hostile to them.(The George Floyd murder will be five years old Sun.,May25,2025).Also,I’ll bet you regard the Jan.6,2021 insurrectionists as “heroes”.Oh,well……
May 22, 2025 @ 3:15 am
Your user name alone says enough about your mental condition.
May 21, 2025 @ 6:52 pm
I truly don’t understand the point of this NYT article. Is it an easy virtue signal? “Hey, a lot of white people sing and listen to country music! That’s gotta be racism, right?” In all likelihood, she’s a true believer in intersectionality, and sees the whole world through this lens. As far as the Times is concerned, they’re either too deeply invested in this worldview or too cowardly to call out a “woman of color” for an obvious bias, neither of which is an acceptable reason for a hit piece so full of speculation and outright disinformation.
I understand why people take this personally. Hell, I take it personally and I don’t even like 95% of mainstream country. To paint an entire genre with such a broad brush is both intellectually dishonest, and quite frankly, insulting. Country music is having a resurgence similar to the early ‘90s and the NYT reacts by hurling unfounded accusations at the genre as a whole because it’s an easy, convenient, and culturally expedient target.
May 22, 2025 @ 3:18 am
At least I’m not a racist hate-monger,and I AM astonishingly handsome at 71,Stevie !!!!!!!!!!!
May 22, 2025 @ 3:21 am
Charley Pride,,a black Mississippian from the Jim Crow era,knew NOT being humble and deferential to whites could have meant his lynching and castration ala LOTS of black men during Mr. Pride’s boyhood and young manhood.
May 22, 2025 @ 4:34 am
Bring back Stonewall Jackson.
Both of them.
May 23, 2025 @ 9:56 am
Two obvious questions:
(1) If by some extraordinary scientific/metaphysical breakthrough these Jacksons were indeed brought back from the dead, would Jackson the General be able to bring his slaves with him?
(2) Would the Jackson the Country Star get the slaves he was denied because his namesake’s side lost?
No changing the subject, now.
May 23, 2025 @ 3:34 pm
No, it’s cheaper these days to hire some illegal immigrants.
You don’t have to provide any room and board for them.
May 23, 2025 @ 4:07 pm
Your sole objection to slavery, I take it.
May 22, 2025 @ 6:57 am
I’ve never heard a Jelly Roll or Wallen song, and sort of wear that as a badge of honor. While I do like Top, I don’t think he’s any sort of torch-bearer for the genre. There is so much good country music out there these days. I don’t know why articles like this are even written. It’s such obvious clickbait bullcrap trying to get a rise out of people. Why can’t we just celebrate what we have with the good country that’s available to us? Hell, Turnpike and Cody Jinks will be releasing new albums within months of each other. From the rumor mill, Red Clay Strays are recording again. Find what you like and listen to it.
May 22, 2025 @ 6:47 pm
Perhaps Country’s Stonewall Jackson.This great-great-grandson of slaves says,”Leave traitor Confederate Gen.Stonewall Jackson in his long-cold grave !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
May 26, 2025 @ 12:14 pm
Two graves, actually.
They buried his arm first.
May 23, 2025 @ 11:46 am
As a dyed in the wool lefty and a longtime country music fan the NYT and Nashville both are the last places I look for country music or political commentary.
May 24, 2025 @ 11:08 am
So much to say about these asshole NYT writers so I’ll just make it simple.
1) Who gives a shit what some pretentious NY writer, who most likely knows nothing about country music, let alone, even likes it has to say about the state of Country Music??
2) Where is this asshole’s outrage and article about the “LACK OF WHITE PEOPLE IN HIP-HOP, RAP, SOUL AND R&B MUSIC”??? Again, just go back to my first point. Who gives a shit?
3) You’re better off ignoring this crap journalism rather than spending hours writing long pieces to combat this garbage.
4) Country music is doing just fine right now and these assholes can just shove their bullshit, nothing story, up their ass. No one in Nashville is going to lose sleep over this crap.
Cheers!!
May 25, 2025 @ 11:17 am
I’ve read not a lick of any of it. I’m old enough to have read and seen it a hundred times before from those who were actually living through it and (occasionally) had a rational thought on it. But based on the apparent age of the author, I know there is no genuine knowledge or experience that would provide critical or credible insight or context. Fact is, the NYT has been irrelevant for, welp, decades now really. And one shouldn’t get upset about an ignorant epistle. Life is too short to bother. Rather, this kind of stuff should just be ignored or dismissed with a wry smile. The headline will let you know the vacuum of it’s import. There’s not much in the mainstream that’s worth the paper it’s printed on anymore. Not to shade your attempts at eyeballs Trig (it seems to have worked anyway). This discussion just seems gratuitous, and undeservedly helpful to the writer/NYT.
May 26, 2025 @ 9:37 am
Bubba,NO ONE tries/tried to keep whites out of rap/hip hop/soul.There are ALL sorts of white folk in so-called “urban” music.Country music,though,still seems reluctant about allowing anybody but handsome white cowboys to enter its portals.
May 26, 2025 @ 1:16 pm
Didn’t know that,Sofus,but thanks for the info,boyo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 26, 2025 @ 6:24 pm
I’m all for black artists thriving in country music as long as it’s done organically. Like the old adage goes, a really great song will eventually find success. Black country music will find its way through the bullrushes if it is good country music.
The thing I resent, however, is being expected to endure music solely because it’s performed by a black artist. An example is the SiriusXM Chris Stapleton channel. Every fourth or fifth spin is an old-school Motown, soul, urban, or unheard of mediocre black artist. The only thing they have in common is they are black. Does Sirius not track when listeners switch channels?
Stapleton fans like me love the channel every four or five songs then we bail. If we want to listen to non-country music, there are lots of other channels we can listen to. Possibly even FM (yikes). I hope the SiriusXM folks realize that sometimes I’m back in a few minutes, but often it may be a few hours or days. I don’t appreciate their bait and switch game.
Sure, their excuse is that they are just playing the music that inspired Chris’ music. I can appreciate that. What music lover hasn’t been inspired by R&B. But I go to Channel 63 for something different. For the hard-core Chris Stapleton and country fans, as a compromise, maybe they could try reinforcing their wokeness once an hour instead of every 15 minutes.
Race-based programing is also alive and well on the country music festival circuit. Watch the 95% white bluegrass audience clap like seals for the token black artist of the event. And notice that most of the time the music they are applauding is not country/bluegrass and it’s not even particularly good. Why not base programing decisions on the quaility of the music instead of the color of the artist’s skin.