The Confounding Dichotomy of Jason Isbell

‘Tis the season for servile and obsequious puff pieces placed in the media by sycophantic journalists in the overt service of lobbying for artists to be considered for The Grammy Awards, which officially opened its first round of voting on Wednesday, October 11th.
In years past, these kinds of subjective and underhanded features would slide into media coverage around this time under the guise of promoting a new single or album, or perhaps a concert appearance. But this year, this whole exercise has become aggressively open-faced in a way that calls outright for ethical scrutiny since these efforts so boldly undertake this influence peddling in a manner we don’t even see for country music’s much more commercially-oriented CMA or ACM Awards.
Straight up advertisements like the ones published ahead of the CMAs and ACMs at least are clear and obvious that they’re coming from the artist camps or their labels. But the approach we’re seeing for the Grammys in 2023 is being laundered through what is supposed to be objective journalism, even though these articles are basically advertising copy presented in a manner that the industry really needs to recon with, and now.
Lainey Wilson and Allison Russell have both been the beneficiaries of such articles in Rolling Stone recently. But the most clear and obvious example of this is a feature on Jason Isbell, published in the Los Angeles Times for optimal exposure to Grammy voters since the Grammys are located in L.A as well. Written by Marissa R. Moss, the official title of the article is, “The Radical Empathy of Jason Isbell.” But the URL of the article is “jason-isbell-grammys-weathervanes,” leaving no question to the motivation behind the piece.

Most definitely, Jason Isbell and his new album Weathervanes with his backing band The 400 Unit is worthy of Grammy consideration. Most anyone with an objective ear within the Americana realm would conclude this. Many regard Weathervanes as a revitalization of Isbell’s landmark career that he commenced in earnest with his album Southeastern released 10 years ago this year. Not to say his other albums were subpar, but like Southeastern, Weathervanes feels defining, both for Isbell’s career, and for this era in Americana music when Isbell reigns at the very top of the genre with Brandi Carlile.
For certain, when Saving Country Music goes to choose nominees for Album of the Year and Song of the Year sometime after the Thanksgiving leftovers are gone, Weathervanes and songs like “King of Oklahoma” and “Cast Iron Skillet” are sure to be heavily considered. Though taste is always subjective, Jason Isbell’s talents as a songwriter are so strong, that strength can almost be considered as an empirical truth.
But for some, none of this matters. They have sworn Jason Isbell’s music off wholesale and entirely, no matter the critical praise it receives, or even their own personal regard for it. Though in certain circles this revelation may seen strange due the siloed nature of social media and society at large, Jason Isbell has easily become one of the most polarizing individuals in all of roots music, and American music in general. And it’s not entirely or even predominantly due to songs like “White Man’s World” that include distinctly political and polarizing perspectives, or even specific political stances he’s taken.
This fierce polarization is primarily due to Isbell’s public persona and X/Twitter presence where he regularly alienates his own fans by speaking down to them, and passing severe judgement upon them for their opinions not aligning with his own. For certain, some of the people who’ve either found themselves directly in the ire of Isbell for perhaps telling him to “shut up and sing,” or that just happen to be irreconcilable racists or victims of demagoguery don’t exactly deserve our sympathy or even regard for this judgement from Isbell.
But there are also large swaths of the country and Americana-listening public that are uncaring of Jason Isbell’s opinions or that may even agree with them, but are simply sick of Isbell’s judgemental smugness and double standards. It’s not necessarily what Jason Isbell believes. It’s how he wields those beliefs, and the hypocrisy he’s evidenced on numerous occasions. Some are even disappointed or furious with Isbell because he presents such a decidedly illiberal perspective for someone who purports to hold progressive views, sullying the integrity of such views since he’s such a public figure.
There is no better or more stark illustration of this Jason Isbell dichotomy than what is evidenced in this new Los Angeles Times feature, despite it’s participants seeming to be completely unaware of the gross contradiction the article contains, even as this contradiction passes right under their noses.
The quote from Isbell that was chosen to crown the article and to convey the crux of it to the public through social media reads, “I like running off people who are closed-minded. I’m not trying to sway them to one side politically, I’m just trying to tell them my story.”

Jason Isbell has said similar things in the past, proclaiming that he’s got plenty of fans, and doesn’t want people who do not share his opinions to listen to his music. But herein lies the ultimate problem. Politics is the science of building majorities or at least pluralities by persuading people to your side of the aisle. “Running people off” is directly counter-productive to that project.
All of this is inarguable. But ironically and quizzically, in this same Los Angeles Times feature, the author Marissa R. Moss, performer Gillian Welch, and Jason Isbell himself attempt to convince you that he can and does use his music to reshape hearts and minds too. In the second half of the article, it states,
For a while, [Jason Isbell] would strategically place songs like “White Man’s World,” where he accounts for his own privilege, next to crowd-pleasers like “Outfit” in the live set. The idea was that if you went to the bathroom during the former, you’d miss the latter. Isbell chuckles at the memory. “You’d see ‘em scrambling back to their seats,” Isbell says. His hope, though, is that more people than not will stick around through the discomfort to give their assumptions or biases a second thought.
“Jason opens doors for people, to let them see and understand the world in ways they would not have been able to without his songs,” says Gillian Welch, an artist whom Isbell proclaims is his favorite songwriter. “I think specificity is the key to universality, and Jason possesses that key.”
But wait, the defining quote from Isbell in the Los Angeles Times article clearly states, “I like running off people who are closed-minded. I’m not trying to sway them to one side politically.”
So which one is it? Jason Isbell and his surrogates would like to think it is both. Saying he has no time for the close-minded is an erudite flex from Isbell, as if he’s uncaring that he can’t convince others to his side, or he refuses to socialize with the unwashed who don’t share his views. But he also wants credit for reshaping hearts and minds, because after all, this is the ultimate goal of activism and opinion-sharing.
For anyone who is paying attention, they know that the people Isbell is assuaging to his side at this point are somewhere near zero. His online persona has become so toxic, he’s simply preaching to a choir, and pandering to a constituency. And it’s all because he’s squandered much of his good will with individuals who he may disagree with by being an online bully, refusing to admit mistakes, and being unwilling to dole out forgiveness to others.
Since one of Isbell’s primary claims to fame has been dunking on people to rack up engagement in the X/Twitter algorithm and earn brownie points with the media, Jason Isbell has misused the greatest asset of the music medium, which is to share the human experience in a way that others can relate to and use to broaden their perspective.
This is not the first time Saving Country Music has attempted to point this out, and not to “attack” Isbell, but in an attempt to be pragmatic and constructive with meaningful criticism culled from observing and interacting with music fans, and listening to why many fans say they’re turned off by the Alabama native.
This doesn’t mean there aren’t still people out there who disagree with Jason Isbell, or find his public persona annoying or unhelpful, but still enjoy his music. The advice that Saving Country Music has been giving out for many years now is to separate the art from the artist. Isbell has in turned called the author of this article a “coward” who is too scared to admit his support for Trump—because anyone you that may disagree or challenge you must have voted for the person you didn’t for President in the Jason Isbell worldview. Base name calling completely divested from intellectual insight or nuance is why Isbell has become so ineffective as a change maker.
In any other context, an objective journalist might call out the completely diametric perspectives shared by Isbell and others in the LA Times article. But in this instance, Marissa R. Moss highlights it, because the entire point of the article is to sell the personality of Jason Isbell to Grammy voters. The music is decidedly secondary to conveying a set of political values that will align with the Grammy voting bloc.
All of this also begs the question as to why we’re highlighting Jason Isbell and lobbying for his Grammy consideration in a major media publication in the first place. Weathervanes will be nominated for Grammy Awards, and perhaps multiple ones, while songs from the album might be as well. Jason Isbell will also likely win. This was the setup for Jason Isbell before the L.A. Times article was even published, though maybe they have their eyes on the all-genre prizes of Album of the Year and Song of the Year, and feel Isbell needs an extra push.
But Jason Isbell and the writer Marissa R. Moss are supposed to be allies to women, Black and Brown artists, and LGBT performers in music. So why expend such valuable ink and attention in the days before Grammy consideration opens on a white straight male who’s likely to be nominated and win anyway? That seems to be a decidedly un-Jason Isbell thing to do.
Why not highlight that artists that probably should win Grammy Awards, but may never be considered because their name recognition is not nearly as strong as someone like Jason Isbell who already has four Grammy Awards and has never lost in any category he’s been nominated in? An artist like Gabe Lee comes to mind, who released a stellar record this year called Drink The River, or Allison Russell, who was nominated for multiple awards in 2022 and lost to Jon Batiste, seeming to get hosed similar to how Isbell got hosed in 2013 after releasing Southeastern.
This isn’t to say that the media or anyone else doesn’t have a right to voice their opinion on who should or shouldn’t win Grammy Awards, or help voters navigate a crowded field. But it should not be in a way that attempts to comes across as an objective piece of journalism, and about someone who is a front-runner for the awards to begin with. This isn’t the CMAs or ACMs. The Grammys are a non-profit organization, and one of the few awards that will highlight artists who don’t always dominate the national narrative like Jason Isbell does due to his favorable and fawning press coverage.
Instead of over-inflating Jason Isbell’s persona, perhaps Marissa R. Moss should have challenged Jason Isbell as to why he deserves Grammy Awards as opposed to another artist. Instead of only talking about his music in the context of his political alignment, why didn’t she ask him about the sonic aspects of Weathervanes, his intention to move more into the rock space with the album, and how he produced it himself to positive results? The Grammy Awards aren’t supposed to reward personalities, but the art these personalities create.
Even better, perhaps Marissa R. Moss could have pressed Jason Isbell about the false assertion both he and Brandi Carlile made around the release of The Highwomen album when they both claimed the song “If She Ever Leaves Me” was the first ever gay country song. Moss was the writer on the Rolling Stone feature where this assertion that erased the landmark accomplishments of a dozen or so country artists before was first forwarded.
Instead we get mellifluous lines describing Isbell’s property in the very white and exclusive area south and west of Nashville in the LA Times piece such as, “Life is blooming everywhere on the Nashville-area farm where singer-songwriter Jason Isbell resides with his wife, the musician Amanda Shires, and their daughter Mercy: a garden of Monarch chrysalises about to hatch, a couple of fresh baby chicks, vegetables climbing their trellises.”
But few if anyone is talking about the ethical concerns this Jason Isbell feature in the Los Angeles Times presents. What they really want to talk about, and what’s been made into delicious click-bait is Isbell’s quote about Oliver Anthony.
“Buddy, there’s a reason you just don’t jump in the f— pool,” Isbell says. “There’s something there. But that’s the song you should have written when you were 16, and then, when you were 19, you should have rewritten it without the part about hating people on welfare. And then when you are 20 you throw the whole thing out and write another song.”
Isbell is fair to criticize the somewhat amateur and undercooked nature of the song. But he seems to gloss over the fact that “Rich Men North of Richmond” shot to #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, and will be one of the biggest songs in all of music in 2023. It’s probably pretty safe to say that Oliver Anthony is glad he didn’t “throw the whole thing out.”
Jason Isbell has hob nobbed with Bill Clinton on his podcast, and hung out at The White House with Joe Biden. Isbell lives in one of the most exclusive areas in the American South and flies around on private jets. He’s certainly leading a charmed life, and has gone from a poor kid with divorced parents in rural Alabama to an undeniable participant in elite society. But it’s the type of elite, parental attitude that Jason Isbell, Marissa R. Moss, and outlets like The Los Angeles Times push toward that made “Rich Men North of Richmond” so resonant with so many people.
Lord knows they all just wanna have total control
Wanna know what you think, wanna know what you do
And they don’t think you know, but I know that you do
Jason Isbell is one of the greatest songwriters of our time. He probably deserves any and all Grammy accolades coming his way. But what are awards when comparing them to the important work of making the world a better place to live for everyone? Open-mindedness is a two-way street. The LA Times article and Gillian Welch are right in saying that Jason Isbell is in a unique position and has a unique opportunity to reshape the hearts and minds of many people through his music.
But unfortunately, Jason Isbell continues to squander that opportunity by instead succumbing to the same online bullying that plagues much of modern society—getting gamed by the dopamine response of social media algorithms like so many well-intentioned, but ineffective change makers who ultimately are just speaking into echo chambers. Meanwhile, individuals like Oliver Anthony are affecting true change by finding their way into open minds, for better or worse, and are doing so very likely without any Grammy help.
October 12, 2023 @ 9:22 am
No need to analyze him. He’s a great musician, but also kind of an arrogant asshole.
October 12, 2023 @ 12:16 pm
Yup, a lot like Bob Dylan or John Lennon, only they came before (anti) social media. Nobody seems willing to be convinced of anything they don’t like these days, so I understand Isbell’s perspective. Take it or leave it, but if you’re going to take any of it, then you’ll have to endure hearing things you don’t like. He should be arrogant — he’s earned it and I, for one, love everything he brings to the table.
October 12, 2023 @ 8:39 pm
“But herein lies the ultimate problem. Politics is the science of building majorities or at least pluralities by persuading people to your side of the aisle. “Running people off” is directly counter-productive to that project.” – Jason Isbell is not a politician.
“’I like running off people who are closed-minded. I’m not trying to sway them to one side politically.’” So which one is it?” – I don’t think it’s difficult to understand. He is a passionate person. If you’re open-minded to his passion, he is happy to be an influencer. If you’re close-minded, well. Illiberal does not mean a person must tolerate everyone and every behavior.
Trig, I enjoy reading a lot of your opinions and enjoy your site. You speak your mind. So does Jason. It’s a great thing to be brave/passionate/caring/whatever enough to do so. I, myself, don’t listen to Morgan Wallen, because of “politics”. Am I missing out on a sonic experience because of my close-mindedness? Maybe I am, but … it’s okay with me.
I hope/trust you take this in the (wink-wink) light it is intended: shut up and write music reviews.
October 13, 2023 @ 4:32 am
Why does everything have to be political?
October 13, 2023 @ 9:28 am
This is truly best way to some it up. Generational songwriter, great musician, and talented singer, but often an unbearable person
October 12, 2023 @ 9:37 am
Isbell feels the need to negatively comment on every little thing to try and stay relevant in a fast, ever changing business. Too bad it’s never anything of substance.
October 14, 2023 @ 7:52 am
What a senseless and hypocritical piece. You are obviously lobbying against Isbell for the Grammy. BTW doesn’t the press have the right to write and publish articles that they believe will sell papers/clicks? Why should the LA Times be told whom they can write about and whom they can’t?
Jason has earned financial independence and critical acclaim. He doesn’t want to play the music industry game. The big labels hate him because he shunned them and owns his own rights to everything. He doesn’t need a bajillion hits to make money, so he plays to whom he wants to play too. He stands up for what he believes in and is right to smack down fools trolling on his Twitter feed. He has strong morals and will smack down any racist or misogynistic comments.
Additionally, he rightfully loathes the big marketing machine for the racist garbage they gave Aldean to sing. That guy is just a karaoke machine who has written nothing of his own. The bottom line is that Isbell has earned the right to speak up for his and his wife’s beliefs because they want a better world for their daughter. I salute him for doing so, and find your article very hypocritical
October 14, 2023 @ 8:14 am
If I had a vote for the Grammy Awards, I would vote Jason Isbell because his album “Weathervanes” was a landmark release of the last year. I hope he also represents roots music in the all-genre categories such as Album of the Year and Song of the Year. This was underscored in the article itself.
Jason Isbell is an important figure in American music because he’s an independent artist and has approached his career with that mindset. That is why he’s so important to discuss in-depth, and if need be, criticize. We speak up because we care, and because he commands such a big platform.
Screw Jason Aldean and his bad tractor rap music.
October 14, 2023 @ 5:26 pm
I respect and appreciate that opinion. Thanks for clarifying.
BTW it pisses me off that more people haven’t even heard of Jason Isbell. The man is one of tbe most important artists of our time and so many are misding out in him because he isnt on a Sony type label.
I view Weathervanes as the best southern rock album of the last 20 years. Cast Iron Skillet, Strawberry Woman and Middle of the Morning are country/Americana and great songs but King of Oklahoma, This Aint It, Volunteer, Miles and When we Were Close are great rock songs. All but Volunteer are worthy of number 1 rock song in America. Overseas was as well.
Hopefully he wins several Grammys this year.
October 12, 2023 @ 9:38 am
I discovered this site in the fall of 2017 and noticed that “Southeastern” and Isbell were popular on this site. I gave it a listen and luckily for me I found it boring and not a good match for my musical taste. I am lucky in that if I had liked it I would have a tough decision to make about whether I could stomach listening to it again. I listen to plenty of music from artists who may not share the same views as me and could care less (about their views). I actually welcome hearing opposite views to expand my understanding of things. What I can’t stand is people like Isbell who think it’s ok to tell me how I should think. Never going to work.
October 13, 2023 @ 8:49 am
You found Southeastern boring? Come on man, Cover me Up and Elephant are boring? That’s nonsense and you know it.
October 13, 2023 @ 12:18 pm
I’m generally a fan of Isbell, but despite consistently excellent songwriting, I find a good amount of his music boring sonically, including the two songs you mentioned. I think Isbell’s Dave Cobb era has just lacked the “oomph” that The Drive-By Truckers provided. Even when the 400 Unit (who are all great musicians) let loose and rock, I’m always left wanting a little more.
October 12, 2023 @ 9:40 am
Isbell’s Twitter doesn’t typically bother me because the people he goes after are typically unbearably arrogant themselves. They make insulting, trolling comments and expect that they won’t get push back or lack the self awareness to notice what jackasses they are being.
Nonetheless it’s true that he gets to arrogant as well. The Oliver Anthony bit is a good example of that. He’s certainly not wrong in noticing that Anthony is still an amateur and the song needs more work. But he’s foolish and petty to just write it off. Like it or not, it’s a banger and the dude has talent even if he’s still essentially an open mike level musician. That’s been more or less (though increasingly less) true of Zach Bryan as well and Isbell’s opening for him.
And I think it is exactly because he won’t consider Anthony’s way of thinking valid under any circumstances. I don’t like the “fudge rounds” line either because it’s shitty, cheap writing that doesn’t even accurately convey what the author intended. Nonetheless, there is still more going on there and I suspect Isbell must know it if he bothered to listen to any tracks like Anthony’s “I’ve Got to Get Sober.” But, his arrogance may have prevented that.
October 12, 2023 @ 2:23 pm
I would argue that it doesn’t need nothing. The song obviously found a bigger audience and resonated with more people than a professionally polished
October 12, 2023 @ 6:07 pm
Quite literally just said that it does need something Rod. Lol
October 12, 2023 @ 9:43 am
We get it, you’re one of those right wingers who pretends to be moderate and you hate Isbell’s politics. You post more or less the same giant wall of text anytime any mainstream outlet has anything positive to say about him.
October 12, 2023 @ 9:53 am
This is truly the conclusion you took away from this write up?
October 12, 2023 @ 3:12 pm
Same one I took. It was so repetitive and disorganized that after getting the belabored point I moved on.
Jason really gets you boys panties in an uproar. It must hurt to find out he doesn’t give a damn what you or the author thinks,lol.
October 12, 2023 @ 7:03 pm
Nothing more than a hipster
October 13, 2023 @ 3:03 am
Wow. You’te really triggered by him. Might want to do some self reflection about that.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:08 am
The reason I post a “giant wall of text” is because these are important issues and that deserve to be discussed in long form. Unfortunately, as opposed to debating or discussing these important issues, some want to boil them down to name calling, casting off anyone who disagrees with them as “right wingers” or “racists” or “this” or “that,” othering their perspective because they don’t want to face the dilemmas presented head on.
I would love for someone to explain to me how you can say you “like running off” those who disagree with you, but then want credit for being an agent for social change?
We need more talk, and more words about these issues. The precedent people like Jason Isbell have set for simply casting people off with terms like “right wingers” is not solving anything.
Not sure if you consider Saving Country Music a “mainstream” outlet, but I’ve had plenty of positive things to say about Jason Isbell over the years, including this one.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:18 am
Neither side in the social media politics age is actually attempting to persuade people to their side (there’s good recent scholarship on this), and if you try to interpret their statements as good faith attempts at persuasion, they’re never going to make sense.
Both “running off the [red hats]” and trumpeting social change efforts play well with the people Isbell wants to play well with. That’s why he says them.
It’s no different than, e.g., John Rich slagging off on “woke culture.”
October 12, 2023 @ 10:25 am
100% agree, and this is why this supposed “right winger” openly lobbied Oliver Anthony to distance from these types if he wanted his music to have any sort of positive impact:
https://savingcountrymusic.com/oliver-anthony-dont-work-with-john-rich-and-other-advice/
Whether you’re from the right or left, the principle is still the same: Do you want to persuade people to your side of the perspective through the medium of music? Then you probably want to show a base level of respect to everyone, and then attempt to make convincing arguments that don’t alienate people, but draw them in with rational, non-judgemental arguments.
October 12, 2023 @ 1:02 pm
Hard to have the moral high ground when taking shots at an artist and a writer you don’t bother to ask for comment or response.
Did you enjoy your Houston Press puff piece in 2018? Or your Fox News hit last month.
P.s. The hat is not a good look.
October 12, 2023 @ 3:02 pm
I’m not “taking shots” at Jason Isbell. I’m offer constructive criticism and commentary. This is the problem of the binary approach to media. People believe you’re either praising someone to the hilt, or you’re attacking them. Instead, I tried to present the “confounding dichotomy” Jason Isbell presents to many fans to speak to many of those fans’ frustrations. If you want to cast off this commentary because I wear a funny hat, go right ahead.
Also, in this instance, there was absolutely no reason to reach out for comment from anyone. They had their opportunity to speak, and now I do.
October 12, 2023 @ 3:37 pm
This is like Republican Party or evangelical gaslighting ???? . That’s what those groups do – exclude, exclude, exclude, judge judge judge. If you’re not like them they want nothing to do with you.
October 17, 2023 @ 6:28 am
Ugh the left does it too. They want Trump supporters to be deprogrammed. That’s communist af. if you don’t think so, then step out of your echo chamber. gosh it sucks being an independent at times lol..
October 12, 2023 @ 2:51 pm
But he didn’t say he likes running off people who disagree with him. He likes running off “closed-minded” people. Seems like right-wingers taking offense to that quote are telling on themselves.
October 12, 2023 @ 4:46 pm
And how does he know those people are closed-minded? Psychic powers? An ability to summon up everyone’s biographical details at a whim? Getting to know them for years? No. He makes that decision like pretty much everyone else does. He thinks that he is open-minded thus open-minded people think as he does. What other criteria could he use?
October 13, 2023 @ 3:24 am
Your point hits hard. What if he is saying running someone off that he could have “helped”? How would he change that? A focus on what you are fighting for instead of against is the start. Hate changes few minds for the good and modern politics provide us with a sample size that is without debate.
October 12, 2023 @ 3:42 pm
We know how you feel about Isbell. This article offered nothing new. You seem to enjoy beating a dead horse.
October 12, 2023 @ 8:21 pm
Why is there no author listed on this article? Is Saving Country Music an I am Negan situation? Or is Trigger the author? Or do you think your triggering someone? Also Jason Isbell isn’t a “Country” artist.
October 12, 2023 @ 8:27 pm
The author is listed just under the title. “Trigger” is my pen name. I am Kyle “Trigger” Coroneos. If you want to read more, you can go to the “About” page.
October 12, 2023 @ 9:23 pm
But Jason Isbell doesn’t even consider himself a Country Artist, so what are you covering?
October 13, 2023 @ 7:14 am
Jason Isbell is an Americana artist. Saving Country Music has been covering Jason Isbell and Americana music for 16 years. I’ve posted around 60 articles about Jason Isbell, 90% of which are positve, and some of which defend him against people who say they will never listen to him due to his political beliefs. And before you characterize now that I am obsessed with him, there are multiple artists that have been covered more. But Isbell is an important artist of our time. And his important career has been covered accordingly.
October 13, 2023 @ 7:57 am
“But Isbell is an important artist of our time.”
How so, Kyle?
Sincerely interested in why you think Isbell is an important artist.
October 17, 2023 @ 6:30 am
Nothing will top trigger’s fanboy obsession with Sturgill. you opened so many eyes to Sturgill, and I thank you for your obsession.
October 12, 2023 @ 9:29 pm
“We need more talk, and more words about these issues. The precedent people like Jason Isbell have set for simply casting people off with terms like “right wingers” is not solving anything.”
Instead of just accurately complaining about how isbells message fails, why not write about why these issues are important, why are you always criticizing the left for being too critical of bigotry, and not being a leader and showing how more talk can be achieved?
October 12, 2023 @ 11:18 pm
I get what you mean. That was just a lot of text for one point. Cobain was the same way and even wrote a song about it. Pretty sure there’s a country cover of it. He is an idiot for thinking he can change minds. Probably even a bigger one for not realizing most people in this world are idiots.
Plus, you think like a chick.
1. Who even gives a shit about the Grammys?
2. You sound like my wife. You don’t have the guts to argue with what he has said, just how he says it. I’m not on social media so I have no idea how bad he gets on there, but I’m assuming he is just a run of the mill woke/liberal douche. Given he is a generational talent in a genre you cover, has to hurt.
3. The quote about the Anthony song is about how juvenile and base it is. He was trying be nice about it while being honest. He should have just been honest.
October 13, 2023 @ 7:35 am
1. Who gives a shit about the Grammys? Jason Isbell gives a shit about the Grammys. Jason Isbell gives so much of a shit about the Grammys he tapped his resources in the media to have a friend of his write a 17-paragraph feature-length spread in the LA Times to coincide with the start of voting to directly influence the process in his favor in an unprecendeted manner that will tilt the scales even further towards his frontrunner status. Does Gabe Lee have these resources to call upon? Brennen Leigh? This is unfair advantage taking, and I’m reporting on it because this is what I do.
2. I take great issue with what Jason Isbell said, and the hypocrisy he evidenced by the participating in this LA Times article. If we’re supposed to be elevating women, Black and Brown, and LGBT voices in this process, how does this Jason Isbell feature accomplish this? Why has he yet to address how he claimed to write the first gay country song in 2018? Why has the author of the article who was also the author of the article where he made that claim not confronted him about it? The only outlet that has address this is Saving Country Music, similar to the disinvitation of Mickey Guyton to a video shoot by The Highwomen. I take matters involving diversity in country music very, very seriously.
October 18, 2023 @ 7:17 am
“Plus, you think like a chick.”
What is this supposed to mean?
October 13, 2023 @ 6:54 am
The thing is…there’s no actual conflict between liking to “Run off close-minded people” and hoping to open doors for people to see things in a different way!
Like, it’s simply a waste of effort and emotional energy to attempt to “convert” the people who were ranting about the dangers of miscegenation in the comment section of your last Isbell article (which hilariously contained a line about how no one has a problem with interracial relationships anymore).
It’s not “illiberal” to want nothing to do with people who take offense at expressions of empathy.
There’s nothing to do but treat them with the scorn they deserve.
I think you do understand that, deep down…which is why this piece is such a meandering mess of word soup.
October 13, 2023 @ 7:51 am
I think you can do both. I believe he enjoys the idea that someone would leave during an uncomfortable song only to come back scattered because it was followed by a fav. I find it comical.
You may want to go back into your article and reread parts of it for editing purposes..
October 12, 2023 @ 11:29 am
Another thing, notice how Kyle will never criticize Travis Tritt for bashing people that they don’t agree with or their hateful rhetoric. He just loves to pick on Isbell for the very reason you stated – Kyle is a right-winger who is pretending to be a moderate.
Think back to when Isbell released “Reunions” in 2020 – Kyle spent over half of the article bitching about Isbell’s politics. Of course, he tried to play it off as “important context because other than one song, the album wasn’t overly political,” but failed to mention that it shouldn’t take seven paragraphs for him to make such a point.
It’s just hilarious that Kyle thinks we can’t see through his BS.
October 12, 2023 @ 1:00 pm
This is what’s called a ad hominem attack.
I have directly criticized Travis Tritt, Aaron Lewis, John Rich, Neal McCoy, Oliver Anthony, Kid Rock, and others for making statements or taking stances that would be considered to be from the right, as well as gone after Tucker Carlson and Matt Gaetz when they were part of misreporting.
I don’t consider myself either a “right winger” or a “moderate.” If anything, I am a radical who believes in the utter annihilation of the two-party system, as well as the mainstream media and big monied interest that props it up. I think that all politics is a scourge. So if I have a bias, it’s against all politics, especially in music.
As opposed to trying to pin opinions on me, I would love for you or anyone else to attempt to explain how in one breath, Jason Isbell can say he loves to run people off who think differently from him, and then in the next breath, want to take credit for persuading them to his side. That is what this article is about.
And furthermore, I’m not offering this as an “attack.” I am attempting to share my perspective in hopes it will influence Isbell’s and others. I don’t want political divisiveness to keep people from enjoying Isbell’s music. I get frustrated when I try to tell people they should listen, and they come back with “He’s a commie!” That is what this article is about, the conflict many people feel between Isbell’s art, and the public persona he’s created for himself. I also agree with Isbell when it comes to matters of equality for everyone. And I feel like the messenger is getting in the way of that message. My criticisms are offered constructively, even if they’re not taken that way.
October 12, 2023 @ 8:41 pm
Yes, you have directly criticized others. But never in all my reading of your content have you used as many words or as frequently written to dress down someone with right wing politics, or hell even someone who is openly racist. I agree intellectually savvy left-leaning people can sound smug and can be dismissive of others. But watch one of those videos with some mouth breather hollering at a Mexican family to “speak American” and tell me there aren’t some people who NEED “talked down to”. The part of the population that can shrug off reason and facts by complaining they’re being bullied by too many college types is too big. So good for Jason for refusing to hide behind his success and instead choosing to speak up for what he and so many others think is right.
October 12, 2023 @ 9:29 pm
Hey GRR,
Thanks for your feedback.
I have seen this criticism elsewhere that there are too many words here, which stupifies me to be frank. The reason I’m devoting so much time and words to this matter is because I see this is seriously important and lots of context is needed. It deserves in-depth discussion, nuance, and perspective. One of the reasons this article is so long is because I devoted numerous paragraphs to praising Jason Isbell as an artist, which is critically important to understanding my perspective. The idea that I’m “dressing him down” is to completely misunderstand the underlying opinion that has been conveyed here, and to impress an opinion on this article that was not shared. I’m not criticizing Jason Isbell for speaking up. I’m criticizing him for sharing what are frankly bigoted and stereotyped attacks on people that sometimes or often are not true, and ultimately are counter-productive to the causes he champions. He called me an incel and a Trump supporter at one point, neither which are true. So I can personally attest that his own closed-mindedness and assumptions are doing unnecessary collateral damage as he attempts to dunk on people via Twitter as opposed to making persuasive arguments about his ideology, and presenting a positive persona behind them.
And while we’re talking about how many words are being devoted to things, how about the 17 paragraphs devoted to Jason Isbell in the LA Times? Is Brennen Leigh going to get similar coverage to bolster her Grammy prospects? How about Gabe Lee or Margo Cilker? What about The War and Treaty? Jason Isbell holds the cards in Americana, and he’s leveraging his assets in the sycophantic media to his advantage. If I had a vote in the Grammy Awards nomination process (I don’t), I’d probably nominate Jason Isbell for multiple awards. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to sit back and watch someone use a friend of theirs to place a puff piece in a major publication, and not call it out as morally-compromised advantage taking in the process.
I care about these matters. I think the career of Jason Isbell is very important. That is why I take of my own time to discuss these matters in-depth, including with commenters.
Thanks for the opportunity to explain this.
October 13, 2023 @ 6:05 am
…”I agree intellectually savvy left-leaning people can sound smug and can be dismissive of others.”…
Hi GRR,
Can you please clarify something? Are you saying Jason Isbell is intellectually savvy?
October 13, 2023 @ 6:02 am
……”I don’t consider myself either a “right winger” or a “moderate.” If anything, I am a radical who believes in the utter annihilation of the two-party system, as well as the mainstream media and big monied interest that props it up. I think that all politics is a scourge. So if I have a bias, it’s against all politics,”…….
A radical what? I agree the current system is bad, but that doesn’t make me radical.
What do you think politics is? Let me explain.
Laws against murder… Politics
Laws against rape… Politics
Laws against stealing… Politics
Laws against molesting kids… Politics
A road needs to be built… Politics
A city block is in disrepair… Politics
October 12, 2023 @ 1:15 pm
@Inte,
“He just loves to pick on Isbell for the very reason you stated – Kyle is a right-winger who is pretending to be a moderate.”
You haven’t been paying attention.
October 12, 2023 @ 2:34 pm
@inte
You don’t read much do you? How far left are you to say he is a right winger?
October 12, 2023 @ 1:28 pm
Thaw straw men argument are a go to for most of our ideologically driven neighbors—of right or left origin. They get old. I don’t like Isbell’s social media, but that doesn’t mean I believe X, Y, or Z. It’s a logical fallacy, and no better than name calling.
Why not accept that not everyone fits into one tribe or the other?
October 12, 2023 @ 3:35 pm
Lol this comment absolutely ignores trigger’s really nuanced take here
October 12, 2023 @ 4:13 pm
Andrew nailed it.
October 12, 2023 @ 6:21 pm
More proof that you can never be woke enough.
October 12, 2023 @ 6:56 pm
I don’t know, I think Isbell is a huge asshole and his music sucks. But that’s just me.
October 12, 2023 @ 9:44 am
Very well said, Trigger.
October 12, 2023 @ 9:44 am
He has been one of my favorites, if not my favorite artist, since I started listening in 2011. At first I found the Twitter dunking amusing because he’s obviously clever and some of the people he put down I disagreed with.
I guess it’s hard for me to say how someone should go about their life but it certainly has a negative impact on being a fan and thinking about going out of my way to go to shows
October 12, 2023 @ 9:45 am
Sums it up. I love the music. Will listen on repeat to weathervane as you’re correct, it brings back that southwestern vibe. But dude, Isbell…just stop being this arrogant twat. I even agree with you and I don’t like you. It’s annoying. He’s burned goodwill unfortunately with me in the regards that, his story is a great story of revitalization and coming to terms with ones self and reflection, yet here he is, continuing to just pander. I’ll still buy his albums, and attend his shows, but dude…..
October 12, 2023 @ 9:47 am
You are confusing open minded with racists who Jason Isabell criticizes. No Anthony Oliver is not open minded, and look at him the number one song of 2023. It’s still valid Isabell’s criticism of him.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:34 am
As I said in the article, I take no issue with Jason Isbell calling out obvious or outright racists. Good for him. The issue is that “racist” has simply become a shorthand way to cast off anyone you might disagree with online in a way that makes it easy for you to not challenge your own beliefs or see the nuance in a certain topic.
October 13, 2023 @ 6:56 am
Man…the people you’re trying to defend were literally decrying the dangers of miscegenation in your last Isbell article, haha.
October 13, 2023 @ 7:10 am
…”people”…
The Jester was hoping he could say “people” and that everyone would forget it was only one person.
To be fair to the Jester, he’s probably right that most will forget. I didn’t.
On that topic though, I will say this. I married a woman from Venezuela. I love her like Christ loves the church, and wouldn’t trade her for the world. But I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t fight less with a woman from my own culture.
October 13, 2023 @ 9:46 am
quick, no thinking (easy for you, ik) – rank the types of women that you would fight less
October 13, 2023 @ 1:32 pm
Lame.
October 12, 2023 @ 9:47 am
Great article Trig. I’m one of the people who chooses not to listen to him because of how he treats people with opposing opinions. I think he’s a great artist and extremely talented songwriter, but I have no interest in taking the time to listen to and support someone who openly disparages anyone slightly to the right of him.
I have no issue listening to left wing songwriters. I would guess that almost every artist I listen to is to the left of me. It doesn’t bother me. I often enjoy listening to music that offers perspectives of things that differ than my own. I’m a huge Wilco fan and I’m sure Jeff Tweedy and me differ on 80% of political issues. But I have enough self respect to not spend time listening to and supporting someone who makes it his mission to let me know that he believes all people who hold opinions similar to mine are terrible people and shouldn’t listen to his music.
There is enough other great music out there that I would rather focus on listening to that and supporting those artists.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:04 am
I’m one of those Trig accurately described as “people out there who disagree with Jason Isbell, or find his public persona annoying or unhelpful, but still enjoy his music.”
And I totally respect your opinion on this.
What gets up my nose is people who deny that Isbell (or other outspoken folks like him) have talent/produce good art.
Disagreeable people can still be good at their jobs, and denying the as-close-as-art-criticism-comes to objective reality just undercuts the denier’s position.
To use an extreme analogy, Roman Polanski is an absolute piece of shit, but that doesn’t mean that Chinatown isn’t a great movie.
October 12, 2023 @ 11:44 am
I agree. I don’t think it makes sense to pretend that Isbell isn’t an extreme talent. He clearly is. Even if he isn’t to your tase it is dumb to deny that.
By not listening to him I accept that I am missing out on some great music. But I also just feel that it would be disrespectful to myself to choose to support someone (however small) who openly disparages people with my political leanings and tries to paint us all as racist.
October 12, 2023 @ 1:35 pm
I was gonna drop a Woody Allen reference, but you already nailed it with Polanski.
October 12, 2023 @ 2:51 pm
The old saying is “trust the art, not the artist,” and although I think that’s good advice, I still find it hard to separate the two sometimes.
October 13, 2023 @ 10:36 pm
This!
October 12, 2023 @ 9:54 am
Marissa Moss is one of the worst grifters in the business. Truly. And I say that as someone who more or less agrees with her politics! But she’s a clear wannabe groupie who hangs around with these artists in the guise of “journalism,” when she in reality just wants to be in their circle where she can write puff pieces in exchange for access. Her act is so tired.
October 12, 2023 @ 9:58 am
I don’t care for his smugness nor politics, but still went to one of his shows recently.
Great writing, The Matrix journalists could learn a thing or two from this article.
October 12, 2023 @ 9:59 am
I’m so exhausted of this dude.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:07 am
Same. He’s a former pudgy drunk who happens to be a good song writer. That said his self-righteousness turned me away from his music.
October 12, 2023 @ 11:59 am
I just don’t feel the need to be preached to with lyrics and conversation/interviews/social media presence. You get one or the other, and I can make my decision from there. If you do both, I’m out.
October 13, 2023 @ 4:46 am
He more or less traded alcohol for politics.
October 13, 2023 @ 9:48 am
do you think you would be as exhausted if you didn’t come to this blog where people complain about isbell and the left constantly?
October 12, 2023 @ 10:04 am
Isbell is an exceptionally talented song writer, but when he talks I tune him out the same way I tune out my three year old after I’ve told him he can’t have anymore candy. He’s a petulant child, plain and simple.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:04 am
Anymore when I see his name mentioned in a article, it just has a lot of arrogance in it. Don’t really care about awards but even less so the Grammys. More of a pretentious award than a meaningful one. Best not to even give him the time of day.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:05 am
Isbell’s social media stuff is rock bottom corny, any college kid could pump it out. Weathervanes is a great album. It’s hard to give a shit what any artist or celebrity thinks.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:06 am
A few side lessons from the events of the past few days are:
(a) even people who are in one’s own political orbit may surprise you with shocking opinions. Not everyone has it all figured out.
(b) sharing and listening opinions on charged issues should be done with a great deal of humility.
There was a great quote I saw in an academic forum that I think applies here.
“If I challenge you on something, know that I’m doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.”
October 12, 2023 @ 10:15 am
I can’t not love his music. I just think he’s mentally ill. It might be what makes him such a great songwriter. But what do I know.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:19 am
Good column, but I disagree with you saying “individuals like Oliver Anthony are affecting true change by finding their way into open minds.” His audience embraced “Rich Men North of Richmond” for confirmation of a particular world view. Anyone with an open mind would be troubled with the song’s stereotypes and culture war dog whistles.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:30 am
Like Isbell, I agree that the song needed some more passes in the editing process. All that I’m saying is that you don’t get to the #1 spot on the Billboard Hot 100 even after all the right wing pundits told everyone to download it unless you’re finding a receptive audience. As many have pointed out, go see all the reaction videos on YouTube about “Rich Men North of Richmond” from hip-hop fans. It will blow your mind. Oliver Anthony was able to make an inpact because nobody have preconceived biases about him like Jason Isbell. Meanwhile, Isbell released one of the best albums in all of 2023, and the consumption of “Weathervanes” is curiously low for the reception and media coverage it’s received.
October 12, 2023 @ 11:28 am
Indeed, Isbell’s comments sparked a question in my mind: what would his reaction (and that of so many others) had been if Anthony’s song had come out four or five years ago?
It easily could have. There is a segment of the American population that sees the denizens of D.C. as parasites regardless of party affiliation; the left and right wings of the same bird of prey. Day to day life doesn’t change for some of us regardless of who sits in what seat up there.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:20 am
I don’t mind that he and I disagree on nearly everything from a political, societal, and religious standpoint.
I do mind that he can’t seem to stand that people like me listen to and appreciate his music.
And I’m confounded by his attempts to actively turn people off to his music, and claim it as a trophy to closed-mindedness in his one-man crusade to rid the internet of anyone who doesn’t think exactly like him.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:30 am
I’m a huge fan and have been since Decoration Day came out 20 years ago. I’m able to compartmentalize his online persona and political opinions because I love most of the music. I’ve seen him over 10 times, and he has never seemed preachy or overly opinionated in person. I have heard him joke that he used to play Oufit late in shows because he didn’t want half the audience to leave after a few songs.
That said, songs like White Man’s World, Save the World, Be Afraid, etc. sound to me what Rich Men North of Richmond probably sounds like to him.
October 12, 2023 @ 1:40 pm
Except those songs are far superior in every way, regardless of lyrical content.
October 12, 2023 @ 4:28 pm
Not really. Isbell has some GENIUS songs like King of Oklahoma and Elephant (etc.), but he gets too much credit for some of his other ones. Cover Me Up was one of my faves until I heard Amanda talk about it in that documentary. Painful. Jason has some demons, which makes the fact that he is as judgmental as he is especially desperate. His daughter’s name is beautiful. Maybe he should think about it.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:37 am
A Neil Young clone…..
October 13, 2023 @ 6:06 am
nice. neil young rules.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:37 am
Jason Isbell is a pussy.
Someone asked him on Twitter if he had any thoughts on what’s currently going on in the Middle East. His response?
“Lots.”
He has no problem opening his mouth about any other political issue but he’s mum on this one.
And this is what happens when you don’t know when to shut up.
He’s put himself in the corner.
If he says he’s pro-Israel, he’s shitting on BLM and the LGBTQ community.
If he says he’s pro-Palestine, he’s an Anti-Semite.
I’m loving every minute of this.
October 12, 2023 @ 11:56 am
Or, and I’m just spit-balling here, maybe when he says he has “lots” of thoughts, maybe that means he’s still thinking about it. Maybe that means he hasn’t fully formed his thoughts yet and is waiting until he does until he expresses them.
Maybe he expresses his thoughts on other political issues because he’s formed his opinions on those and is comfortable expressing and discussing them.
This is what happens when you don’t know when to shut up – you end up looking like a fool like you just did to yourself.
October 12, 2023 @ 6:48 pm
Yeah, you can’t advocate for an artist to “shut up and sing.” And then when he’s pressed on a world affairs issue, criticize him for exercising his right to remain silent. Jason Isbell is a musician, and the Israel conflict is very complex.
October 30, 2023 @ 11:25 am
Sorry Trigger. The conflict is not that complex. Hamas attacked Israel and now Israel is fighting back from the attacks on Hamas, and rightfully so. It is that simple
October 13, 2023 @ 5:50 am
Well if it isn’t my #1 fan, Interstate Daydreamer! I thought I felt your tongue in my asshole!
You should probably just go back to Twitter where there’s no diversity of thought. It’s much safer for you and your cult.
Isbell’s never thought about anything before saying it. That’s why he’s on Twitter.
He’s a recovering alcoholic whose new drug of choice is being a smug asshole.
Y’all should detox together.
October 13, 2023 @ 9:50 am
kind of funny that you can barely feel a tongue in that gaping hole of yours.
October 14, 2023 @ 9:41 am
Bite me, dumbass.
October 12, 2023 @ 12:45 pm
It’s possible that he has a nuanced take on the situation that isn’t conducive to being shared via tweet. It’s not a simple, clear-cut situation over there, and anyone that says it is (left or right) is not someone whose opinion on the matter is worth much. You can believe that Israel is an apartheid state that directly led to the rise of Hamas AND believe that Hamas is a despicable terrorist organization that is only bringing more misery and death upon the innocent Palestinians with this attack on Israeli civilians. These two positions aren’t mutually exclusive.
October 17, 2023 @ 6:55 am
Isbell was against the Iraq War as I was. The same bad 2002 actors are back at it again. A sovereign country has a right to defend itself, and I will never support the US getting dragged into this. BLM is a Marxist organization, and it was founded by Marxists. Of course, they align with Hamas, and I don’t why for the life of me the alphabet crowd are supporting Hamas. Hamas hates their guts. Hamas would be murder any LGBTQ walking through Gaza. They hate LGBTQ and homosexuality, and pornography was one of the premises on why the hijackers carried out 9/11.
October 17, 2023 @ 7:19 am
Let’s please not veer into other divisive political subjects here. This one is contentious enough. Thanks!
October 17, 2023 @ 7:30 am
My bad trigger. When it’s an Isbell story, it’s hard to dance around. it. Great post here Kyle. I am a big fan of Jason and have been since the DBT days. But since we pivoted out of Covid, it’s been harder and harder. Out of all the artists you have covered since I followed you going back to your early Justin Townes Earle, Hank III and the start of the Eash Nash alt-country wave, I think you have been the fairest covering: Eric Church, Sturgill Simpson, Taylor Swift and Jason Isbell. Sometimes the group think echo chambers will wreck a post especially if it’s not told and reflects exactly how they view the story or artist through their lens.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:37 am
I very much enjoy his music and will continue to listen to it. Unlike many of my favorite musicians I suspect it wouldn’t be fun to meet him personally, although one must always be conscious of the gap that can exist between public persona and the real person.
I remember reading in some places that Sarah Shook is “bitter” or some such, but when I met her I found her quite the opposite; friendly and good-humored (including during sound check, when some musicians can be quite cranky!)
I really don’t give a shit if Mr. Isbell likes me or my opinions. It’s really none of his business. And his are none of mine, so that’s how I’ll leave it: I’ll buy his records, then go home and listen to them. Done and done.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:41 am
I think a big part of Jason Isbell’s tough/hardline stance against bigots and bigmouth Trump trolls on social media stems from his raising in rural Alabama, where these attitudes and political views are hardwired into much of the population. He surely realizes he’s fortunate that they didn’t stick to his mindset as they have so many others, and speaks out against it even if it costs him fans. I respect him for that. I remember about 10 years ago, Isbell tweeting something to the effect of (not a direct quote) “if you think I’m gonna be cool with your casual racism, you’re sorely mistaken.” I really respected that because growing up in Texas, and even moreso now as an adult, I feel exactly the same way. I think Isbell can come across as a bit preachy at times, but I actually appreciate a big, straight white male from the Deep South standing up and taking a stands against bigots and bullies. The left needs more people like him confronting this idiocy. Having said all that, it was a puff piece and he comes across as pretty dickish by taunting his ticket buying fans as he described.
October 12, 2023 @ 12:14 pm
Good comment Mike, and I agree that Isbell has a unique position and opportunity to speak to people and stand up for things, and I don’t want to take away from when Isbell does this to positive results. But when you say, “standing up and taking a stand against bigots and bullies,” my fear is this is exactly what Isbell has become as he gets more rewarded the more pointed, bigoted, and bullied his own actions become.
It’s like Nietzsche once said, “Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.”
October 12, 2023 @ 3:21 pm
He also said:
“You preachers of equality, the tyrannomania of impotence clamors thus out of you for equality: your most secret ambitions to be tyrants thus shroud themselves in words of virtue.”
Reminds me of someone.
October 12, 2023 @ 7:16 pm
……”I think a big part of Jason Isbell’s tough/hardline stance against bigots and bigmouth Trump trolls on social media stems from his raising in rural Alabama, where these attitudes and political views are hardwired into much of the population. He surely realizes he’s fortunate that they didn’t stick to his mindset as they have so many others, and speaks out against it even if it costs him fans. I respect him”………
The Communist zeitgeist devours the normie mind like a zombifying, brain-eating amoeba, consuming what could have been, and leaving behind a toxic slime of pseudo-moral subjectivity.
Notice how no attempt is made to define or explain what it is the kind and decent people of rural Alabama believe that make them undesirable? Or why believing it is so terrible that Isbell is just fortunate he escaped what sounds like a birth defect? It just IS what the normie believes it is.
October 12, 2023 @ 8:56 pm
I can’t speak for Jason, but I grew up in a similar community to him, only in East Texas instead of North Alabama. Rural Southern towns certainly have their positives, but they can be hard places to live if you’re not OK with casual bigotry, whether it be racism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. If you fit in well with the in-group, these towns can be idyllic, but the further you are from the local norms, the more ostracized you’ll be.
[Cue the accusations of communism and/or pedantic rant about homophobia not actually existing.]
October 12, 2023 @ 10:42 am
Excellent article overall, but my favorite line is: “Base name calling completely divested from intellectual insight or nuance is why Isbell has become so ineffective as a change maker.” That’s him in a nutshell, and it makes his smugness, and puff pieces like this read like comedy. I can also think of few commenters here who fit that description quite well…no wonder they are so Triggered by any criticism of him. And Gillian’s quote couldn’t be more out of touch if she tried. Embarrassing.
A few more things Marissa could have asked him:
“Have you had any regrets about how you threw your friend Ryan under the bus after he helped you when you were down?” “What did you think of his song
“Birmingham?”
“Have you had any second thoughts at all about how you discriminated against people who didn’t want to take an experimental “vaccine?” Or are you still on that train…there’s still some strongish variants going around. Have you thought about bringing that back, Jason?
Even if you disagree with the stance I obviously take, I think they are fair questions. Jason was the poster boy and got press for his show me your papers stance, and although most people don’t want to talk about it, more has come to light about that product that, let’s just say, didn’t exactly work as advertiesed. And Ryan has been somewhat exonerated since Jason publicly threw him to the wolves. Not the LA Times, but LA Magzine published an intersting story about that. I don’t know, there was a time when a “journalist” would ask him those questions. Or maybe they have?…I look foward to the fact check.
I was actually going to ask you on the last article about the joint Turnpike tour. I was curious how Jason’s allies Marissa, Lorie, and Marcus cover Turnpike. I was wondering what they think of all the hunting songs and lack of political activism. I don’t think they ever made it on to the accountability list either! Any thoughts on that?
October 12, 2023 @ 12:34 pm
I don’t have any particular insight into what these journalists feel about the Turnpike Troubadours. Lorrie and Marissa have both blocked me on social media, so the only time I read something from them is in article form. Marcus is a whole other situation as he’s become persona no grata in that media clique after he decided he actually needed to bring some objectivity to his writing while working at The Tennessean. I may have an update on that soon.
I would caution people labeling Turnpike as some sort of right wing band. They have a song about the assassination of MLK, R.C. Edwards has “This machine kills fascists” written on his bass, and they participated in the Dropkick Murphys Woody Guthrie project last year. They’ve never come across as especially “political” to me at all, which unlike Isbell, allows them to broach important subjects at times without facing backlash for going “woke.”
October 12, 2023 @ 12:54 pm
Yeah I didn’t mean to imply I thought they were rightwing. I mean they have mostly seemed apolitical, and are a little more rugged and traditional than what the journalist / activists like to peddle. And silence is violence or something like that. I’d guess a fair amount of their fans are though.
I’m curious about what Marcus did.
October 12, 2023 @ 1:29 pm
Re: Turnpike’s MLK song…
The instrumental and vocal lead up to “10,000 teardrops hit the ground in Memphis Tennessee” chills me every time, after hundreds of hearings.
That’s how it’s done.
October 12, 2023 @ 7:31 pm
Sounds like you have more of an agenda than Isbell does, Jake. While you are over on the fringe dealing in right wing talking points, I don’t think anything was missed on the questions you suggested be asked at all. He is very outspoken that he still believes the vaccine mandates that he required for shows was still the safe and responsible thing to do. And since the only folks who disagree are the right wingers who call it things like “experimental,” argue with doctors and ignore the thousands (millions?) of lives saved, those questions – and you – aren’t worth the time to speak out an answer.
And Ryan Adam’s has hardly been exonerated in any way shape or form. Like Louis CK, he’s simply being adopted by an element who aren’t real big on caring about women and hate the “woke” culture that suggests that men deserve punishment for their misdeeds. You appear to be in that element.
Trigger’s article asks some fair questions. I would point out that if you believe, as Isbell does, that the political ideology of some people and those they support, are anti-humanist and evil, then the only respectable thing to do is “dunk on them.” The history of this country has an awful lot of people choosing to look past bad behavior and oppressive beliefs in the name of civility or politeness while those things continue.
Oliver Anthony is a dime store Tyler Childers who received an extra right wing push suspiciously close to Tyler’s video release. They gamed the system (both he and Aldean’s hits were largely due to downloads, a sign that it is not a viral phenomenon as much as a antiquated audiences political action). Isbell was not incorrect in his assessment.
October 13, 2023 @ 6:13 am
…..”And since the only folks who disagree are the right wingers”….
Hi Dave,
Not that the source of a belief has any objective bearing on whether or not it’s true, but that fact you believe “only folks who disagree are the right wingers” immediately eliminates you as someone whose opinion should be considered in a conversation on this topic. You reveal right out of the gate that you lack awareness.
Unless of course, you’re playing the “Move The Goalposts” game, where you change the definition of left wing to exclude anyone who doesn’t fit your brand-new definition.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:47 am
Good article, and great catch on the URL snip, too funny.
I’m a huge Isbell fan, have been for a long time. I don’t follow him on Twitter because Jason’s Twitter is a man taking a piss in his downtime, and often being applauded for it by ideologues that participate in similar kinds of armchair activism.
But, I really don’t look at that activity and see an activist. I see a bored man inviting verbal sparring sessions, and one who doesn’t see how offputting some of it is because the cheers are so loud.
Also, for the record, “White Mans World” is one of the worst songs in his post DBT catalog. That’s the primary reason that anyone would see it as an opportunity for a bathroom break. Not exactly a political statement, but I’d probably tell my ego the same if I were the one on stage.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:51 am
I can listen to any artist on any spectrum of the political field, if the music is good and the writing is good, I will enjoy it. I know not everyone agrees with me and I know i do not agree with everyone, that’s fine. Yet at the same time, when they are close minded and border line bullies, I stop listening and will not support them. Lets be honest, 90% of the music industry leans left, for better or worse depends on your own views, having an artist or two who clearly have good intentions, have differing views is the end of the world to someone like Isbell. I can’t stand him as a person which sucks, because I enjoy his music. Although I did fall asleep at one of his shows….
October 12, 2023 @ 11:12 am
The one thing i have to add that really bugged me is about the quote about oliver anthony:
“Buddy, there’s a reason you just don’t jump in the f— pool,” Isbell says. “There’s something there. But that’s the song you should have written when you were 16, and then, when you were 19, you should have rewritten it without the part about hating people on welfare. And then when you are 20 you throw the whole thing out and write another song.”
What does he mean by the first part?? Yeah, the song could’ve used a round of editing, whatever. Is he implying everyone needs to sit on a song for 4 years for it to be worth listening to? That “jumping in the pool” and putting your music out there is a bad thing for young artists? God its just so condescending and gross. Ward davis had a great comment on it, “well it’s all over for oliver anthony. Jason isbell hates his song.” Isbell just seems so mean and out of touch, its a bummer.
Its crazy he’s such an incredible writer and musician. Guy is truly in my top 5 favorite artists of all time. Idk how its the same person saying this stuff and writing outfit, king of oklahoma, etc.
Unproblematic superstar of the week: Jeremy Pinnell (whose last album Goodbye LA rips)
October 12, 2023 @ 1:23 pm
“Buddy, there’s a reason you just don’t jump in the f— pool,” Isbell says. “There’s something there. But that’s the song you should have written when you were 16, and then, when you were 19, you should have rewritten it without the part about hating people on welfare. And then when you are 20 you throw the whole thing out and write another song.”
The arrogance in that statement is astounding. “Rich Men North of Richmond” is not a perfect song as many have noted, but it obviously has hit touched millions of people for it have become a #1 song on the Billboard charts and to dominate media like it did for a couple of weeks. The song has a verse that Isbell doesn’t like so it should just be thrown out?
Seems like Jason Isbell wants it both ways. He joined in on the bashing of Jason Aldean during the “Try That in a Small Town” fury. Part of his criticism of Aldean was that he doesn’t write his songs and Tweeted something to the effect that if Jason Aldean has strong feelings about things that he should write songs about those issues himself and he would be happy to give it a listen. Fair enough, but now a new talent comes out of nowhere who does write his own songs about issues important to him, becomes an overnight sensation, and Jason Isbell wants to lord in and micromanage Oliver Anthony’s writing process to the point where he feels he has the right to tell Anthony to just throw away what is the most talked about and arguably, the most important song of the year because he disagrees with some of Anthony’s points of view. I understand that he and many others don’t like the fudge rounds, welfare deal in the song, but throw the song out? Really?
I’ve enjoyed Jason Isbell’s music since Decoration Day with DBT. He is an excellent song writer and guitar player and I don’t have to always agree with him to appreciate his work. Say whatever you want to say in your lyrics Jason, but you don’t get to control what other artist say in theirs.
October 12, 2023 @ 11:13 am
This is an interesting piece. Isbell is nothing if not complicated:
https://jasonrward.wordpress.com/2023/10/03/jason-isbell-and-the-new-south/
October 12, 2023 @ 2:47 pm
Excellent article. Isbell’s talent is obvious if you listen. I could care less about his Twitter account, or anyone else’s for that matter. And yes the 400 Unit is a killer band.
October 12, 2023 @ 5:52 pm
Wow. Thanks for posting that excellent piece. Especially liked the line about all the good poets learning how to play guitar, and strongly agree about the strength of Isbell’s band (and the others you mentioned). Your description of the dishonesty of mainstream country today is great. To say Jason is the William Faulkner for the 21st Century seems a pretty grand assessment — the scope of their respective art forms makes that judgement tricky — but I get the parallel you’re making, and I don’t know Faulkner’s work well enough to disagree.
October 13, 2023 @ 7:48 am
I think you can get a pretty good idea of Faulkner’s principles and intent from his Nobel Prize speech, and I think you could apply some of those to Isbell’s work.
October 13, 2023 @ 5:41 pm
Isbell is interesting for me. I think he’s an incredible songwriter, but his vocals do nothing at all for me. But I don’t agree with every belief he had, so I’m pretty sure he wants me to hate him?
I don’t go to my preacher to be entertained, and I don’t go to entertainers to be preached to.
October 12, 2023 @ 11:45 am
isbell falls into the same category as tyler mahan coe…talented, but so much a**hole that whatever great product they distribute is too clouded to make me care. i listened to isbell but fell off that train because he just became annoying. same with coe – i listened to his podcasts until his arrogant attitude led me to find other people less bothersome.
October 12, 2023 @ 12:38 pm
Both these guys are brilliant dudes who have a lot to offer. But they’ve been gamed by the X/Twitter algorithm that rewards divisiveness and bullying, and unfortunately the don’t have the capability to zoom out and see how this stuff is self-defeating because in the short-term the dopamine reward systems make you believe you’re going in the right direction.
October 12, 2023 @ 11:50 am
For me it’s pretty simple. You’re either a ‘separate the art from the artist’ person or you aren’t. And if you are but still seem to get offended by Isbell, that sounds like a personal conflict to me. I’m not against political criticism of Isbell, I’m not here for the astounding hypocrisy of the supposedly apolitical/anti-cc folk who rise up to attack him but don’t want the more conservative aspects of country music questioned.
October 12, 2023 @ 12:21 pm
Why are the words “black” and “brown” now capitalized when referring to one’s race or skin color, but the word “white” never is? I’ve seen this in countless articles over the past several years (including this one) and it annoys me to no end. A bit off topic, I suppose (but not really).
October 12, 2023 @ 12:41 pm
For the record, I capitalize all of those words when referencing race. If people this is a more respectful way to reference race, I don’t have a problem with it.
October 12, 2023 @ 1:34 pm
ok, then why don’t you capitalize “white” as well? in one paragraph in this article you reference “Black and Brown artists” and “white straight male”. i’m not attacking you specifically for the practice, as i see it everywhere (espn immediately comes to mind). just curious why it seems there is such a ridiculous and unnecessary double standard for that now.
October 12, 2023 @ 1:49 pm
I actually stop reading articles (including this one) when I see that bs.
October 12, 2023 @ 3:07 pm
Because it was an oversight. I’ve fixed it. We’ve had this same discussion on multiple articles.
October 12, 2023 @ 4:15 pm
fair enough. forgive me for bringing it up, but i had not seen it discussed anywhere before. and since you are basically the only guy i read that has a comments section at all, let alone one the writer replies to, i thought i’d ask. appreciate the reply and for now penning the very first article i’ve ever seen with the word “white” capitalized as it relates to race.
October 12, 2023 @ 12:26 pm
This article is so dumb it makes my head hurt. You knock Jason for everything you can dream up, act like you need to separate the art from the person, subsequently ramble on pretending like you aren’t political while spewing stereotypical right-wing resentment, and then knock Isbell for his comments on Oliver’s” somewhat amateur and undercooked” song because, why? It was popular. You know who else is popular? Jason Aldeen. You think Jason should respect his garbage too?
You aren’t interested in “Saving” country music. You are only interested in promoting your myopic intolerant worldview. #sad
October 12, 2023 @ 3:14 pm
The Jason Aldean song wasn’t popular. It was flailing until people tried to cancel it. Then it shot to the top of the charts. I pointed that out about it, just like how I pointed out how the attempted cancellation of Morgan Wallen propped him up. And for it people called me a racist.
I don’t want Jason Aldean or Morgan Wallen defining country music. I’d rather that be Tyler Childers or Jason Isbell. But someone got to speak rationally in irrational situations. Or, keep trying to cancel shit and see what continues to happen.
If you want to know my opinions about Jason Aldean or “Try That In a Small Town,” you can find them. My point was that Oliver Anthony’s songs found open minds, which it did. That’s why it became #1.
October 12, 2023 @ 3:38 pm
“But someone got to speak rationally in irrational situations.”
: D And, you think that’s you?
October 12, 2023 @ 12:33 pm
He may have and exercise empathy. He doesn’t, however, exercise grace and mercy (at least online) and that is sad because those are two of the most critical ways to turn yourself into someone that others truly respect.
I for one love grace and mercy, but I really struggle not mentioning his choice of footwear and clothes. I imagine there is a strategy behind it, but I just cannot future out what it is.
October 12, 2023 @ 1:25 pm
He neither has nor exercises empathy. When you have empathy, you might disagree with someone wholeheartedly on a given issue but you recognize that his or her experiences have likely been different than your own which has resulted in a different point of view on the issue than your own. So while you might believe your own position is somehow more righteous, you withhold judgement recognize that the other person came to believe what he or she believes honestly. And that’s not Jason Isbell at all.
October 13, 2023 @ 7:11 am
I agree in part. You can have empathy like you described above, yet you may not care enough to exercise it. So I guess I should have stated that “He may have empathy” and left off the exercise part.
October 12, 2023 @ 12:37 pm
All I know is that Isbell is most certainly NOT definitive of “Americana” and of course Richmond Rich fuckers is a not a well written songs and I would be shocked if it’s composer continues to play it in years to come.
October 12, 2023 @ 12:52 pm
Where to start on this one?
Music- I was a fan of the DBT stuff and the Live Form Alabama album. That music had some drive to it. Everything since then, to me anyway, seems lyrically deep but musically uninteresting.
Ego- He’s made quite a few comments that rubbed me the wrong way. He went to a wedding of somebody in his road crew, if I remember correctly, and the guy had written a song for his new bride. Isabell put the guy’s song down, saying how amateurish it was. Compare that to somebody like Tweedy, who’s book, “How To Write One Song”, encourages everyone to write a song. (Put folks down or lift ’em up)
He also mentioned once, that if he was around in the 1970’s what a big a star he would have been. Really? Dylan, Neil Young, Buffett, James Taylor, Jackson Brown, Gordon Lightfoot, Paul Simon, to name a few. He would have been an eternal opener.
The Oliver Anthony thing, he should just shut up about that. He comes across a petty and jealous. Who made him the gatekeeper of song writing?
Politically- I probably align with the guy on a few issues. However his twitter attitude is repulsive. I find it no different than Trump. He also fronts that he is this big supporter of African American music. Look at his band, white as a snow drift.
There’s a lot of things I ignore, or are not aware of in this world, and I seem to get along fine. Jason Isbell’s music is one of those things.
October 12, 2023 @ 12:53 pm
Normally saving country music is pretty good it introduces you to music you wouldnt have heard of otherwise but its obvious the guy running the page has some sort of beef with Jason Isbell but its pretty easy to ignore. Some of Jasons politics (if it is actually politics is complete common sense) for instance didnt he write a song about the lack of gun control in america and shouldnt any sensible decent american ask themselves that everytime some poor innocent schoolkid gets killed in a shooting and you think why is it legal in america to walk around with a gun in your hand and why arent there strict laws in place to stop it happening and everytime it happens the President always offers a profound apology but never does anything . So if thats a political view you dont share try explaining that to the mother of a 9 year old son whos son just got shot , Someone mentioned John Lennon on this thread somehow heres someone else who wouldnt have got murdered in cold blood if America were more civilsed . So some of Jason’s political views (if thats what they are ) should be whole heartedly applauded . Well done Jason.
October 12, 2023 @ 1:02 pm
“…you should have rewritten it without the part about hating people on welfare.”
Let’s apply some of that Isbell Logic to some Isbell lyrics.
Premise: It’s hard to go through life without your daddy by your side – “Cast Iron Skillet” by Jason Isbell (A Rich, White, Landowning, Southern Male Who Is Married To a White Woman and Is Probably A Direct Descendant of Slave Owners)
Premise: Approximately 2 Out of Every 3 African American Children Are Born into a Single Parent Home
Conclusion: Jason Isbell Hates Black People and Would Probably Purchase Them If It Were Still Legal To Do So
In Tennessee
October 12, 2023 @ 1:53 pm
I don’t think this is quite the zinger you might think it is. In other words, Wut?
October 12, 2023 @ 3:59 pm
A conclusion is only valid if the premises are true. I find fault with Isbell’s interpretation of Oliver’s “fudge round” line, therefore I find fault with his conclusion – i.e. that Oliver “hates” people on welfare. Obviously Isbell is very sensitive to any perceived criticism of the welfare state – or the direct results thereof. If such criticisms are not to be tolerated, then I can only perceive Isbell’s lyric about possible negative effects of fatherlessness, particularly in light that it has been facilitated massively by the creation of and the implication of the welfare state, as also a direct attack on the people statistically most impacted. If it is true that Oliver hates people on welfare simply because he is critical of the real world results, then the same standard should be held in regards to Isbell. He should have towed the party line and completely disregarded any and all possible undesirable issues or effects created by fatherlessness. Is it a coincidence that the people in America overwhelmingly most impacted by not growing up with their biological father in the home are also overwhelmingly the most affected by violence within their communities? For “welfare” to always be good, the effects of “welfare” must always be good as well. Never admit flaws or negative unintended consequences. Positions taken axiomatically must be defended to the death with full inflexible dogmatic fervor, forever.
October 12, 2023 @ 2:46 pm
Geneva Convention, Article 26 – Food
The basic daily food rations shall be sufficient in quantity, quality and variety to keep prisoners of war in good health and to prevent loss of weight or the development of nutritional deficiencies. Account shall also be taken of the habitual diet of the prisoners.
Little Debbie Fudge Rounds:
Ingredients
Enriched Bleached Flour (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Folic Acid), Corn Syrup, Sugar, Dextrose, Palm and Soybean Oils with TBHQ and Citric Acid to Protect Flavor, Water, Cocoa. Contains 2% or Less of Each of the Following: Palm and Palm Kernel Oil Whey (Milk), Baking Soda, Dried Eggs, Salt, Caramel Color, Corn Starch, Natural and Artificial Flavors, Sorbitan Monostearate, Polysorbate 60, Sorbic Acid, (to Preserve Freshness), Mono- and Diglycerides, Soy Lecithin, Titanium Dioxide, Red 40, Soy Flour, Dried Egg Whites, Citric Acid, Powdered Sugar (Sugar, Corn Starch), Soybean Oil.
150 Calories per serving
1 (!!!) gram of Protein
6 grams of Fat (3g Saturated)
23 grams of Carbohydrates (14 grams of added Sugar!!)
Titanium Dioxide is currently banned as a food additive in the E.U.
In Conclusion, it is not completely without merit to consider that using tax dollars to provide nutritionally deficient food-like products to American citizens, especially those who are actively harboring serious eating disorders, is unwise – even more so when considering that providing the same product to P.O.W.’s could be considered a breach of the Geneva Convention, and thus of International law, during a war.
Seriously, one gram of protein for every fourteen grams of refined sugar?
If a portion of the product of my labor is forcibly confiscated from me by the State, and is then given to an addict to purchase poison, why would you logically conclude my issue is primarily with the addicted individual, and not with the Institution that renders the facilitation of the exchange compulsory on me in the first place?
October 12, 2023 @ 1:06 pm
I’m from north Mississippi. I’m a University of North Alabama alum. A buddy saw Isbell play acoustic at Rosie’s Mexican restaurant. Oddly, the self titled record is my favorite. Southeastern’s amazing. Something More Than Free is close. Anywho, he lost me on the crappy sounding Ryman record. His way of life is not my deal. I still have good memories, though.
October 12, 2023 @ 1:07 pm
I’ve commented many times that I used to love Isbell’s music but he’s such a giant asshole that I refuse to listen to anything of his. You can be an artist, be outspoken about your politics and not be an asshole. BJ Barham is a prime example, we disagree on almost every political issue but every American Aquarium show I’ve ever been to, BJ is as nice as can be and we end up talking about college football or some other non-music topic for a few minutes.
Trig mentioned it in the article. Isbell grew up poor in rural Alabama with divorced parents. You’d think, given that upbringing, this is someone that would be an ambassador for the people in the same situation he grew up in and want to bring them in with his music, but he looks down on all of them.
October 12, 2023 @ 9:42 pm
Aaron, that’s a good comment and “ambassador” was the word I was looking for.
I was a DBT fan before he joined the band, and followed him when he left DBT thru to now. I think about some of his earlier, powerful songs that speak of people, DBT songs like “TVA” or “Never Gonna Change”, and earlier solo stuff like the soldier songs and “Alabama Pines”. Later, I read that interview where he talked about his $800 boots and now see how it seems he really does look down on people.
He can do what he wants, of course, and I’m glad that “Weathervanes” is as good as it is. But I’d sure have liked, and still would like, to see him try and be a kind of ambassador. We need people like that.
October 17, 2023 @ 7:48 am
BJ is one of the true good guys in the country space we lcoe. We hung out after AA’a show in Stubbs in Austin. a true humble Gentlemen
October 12, 2023 @ 1:30 pm
I find myself writing some version of the same thing every time you write your same story, always some version of the same thing, about Isbell. I’ll always read your work, it’s often illuminating, and this piece is imo the most unfocussed I’ve read. Reads like a vague roundup of your whole relationship to the man and media.i for one love an articulate southern man who’s done the personal work and made diamonds out of coal and refuses to make garbage country. An artist, vs the latest hit machine. Politically, he says what he wants without regard for the precious feelings of the right wingers. There’s no reason to expect their whining to stop.
October 12, 2023 @ 3:28 pm
Hey EmmonsDay,
Thanks for the feedback. I understand that some of the things I said here have been covered before. The reason they were worth repeating is because the feature in the “Los Angeles Times” illustrated the exact dichotomy I have been highlighting about Jason Isbell for years. I continue to wait for someone to explain to be how you can get credit for both “running people off” and for changing people hearts and minds. It seems the article exposed the very heart of the matter, and it was worth commentary.
October 12, 2023 @ 1:47 pm
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
– Upton Sinclair (author of “The Jungle”, which exposed labor and sanitary conditions in the U.S. meatpacking industry)
Count me a fan of Isbell and love him when he is empathic “Dr Jekyll” vs elitist “Mr Hyde”. Money and power twist people up.
October 12, 2023 @ 2:04 pm
Don’t agree with most of this article but read it anyhow. Kinda like how some people feel about Isbell. My take is that X/Twitter is a cesspool that alters people’s brain chemistry.
This sentence needs an edit:
“Isbell has in turned called the author of this article a “coward” who is too scared to admit his support for Trump—because anyone you that may disagree or challenge you must have voted for the person you didn’t for President in the Jason Isbell worldview.”
October 12, 2023 @ 2:10 pm
I can’t get too worked up about Isbell. I like a few of his songs well enough, like a lot of artists out there. As far as his online persona, he sounds like the kind of person who is the reason I don’t do social media. I like this place and have gotten a lot from it, both the content from Trigger as well as the comments. Unfortunately sometimes the comments veer way to close to what you seen on social media.
Having said all that, one of the main takeaways from this is the tacit admission by Moss–and by extension Isbell who clearly knew why she was writing the article–that the Grammys are NOT about the music. It’s cynical in the extreme.
October 12, 2023 @ 2:13 pm
“Meanwhile, individuals like Oliver Anthony are affecting true change by finding their way into open minds, for better or worse, and are doing so very likely without any Grammy help.”
Good, God, I think i’m going to throw up from that last sentence. Oliver Anthony affecting true change? What, by tapping into a thinly veiled theme that speaks to MAGA meatheads and unthinking Democrats? Isbell was 100% correct about this song and he’s also right to alienate anybody he wants. He has no obligation to bring people together. He’s an artist. And one of the best we’ve ever seen.
October 12, 2023 @ 3:23 pm
“He has no obligation to bring people together.”
I agree. But when that’s the premise of a feature-length spread in a major publication published to influence the Grammy Awards, it’s a point worth scrutinizing.
And just because you don’t like the change Oliver Anthony is affecting doesn’t mean he’s not affecting it. That is why I said, “For better or worse.”
October 13, 2023 @ 6:36 am
Did you read the whole article? or just skim until you found “Oliver Anthony” and go straight to comment?
October 12, 2023 @ 2:19 pm
We were in Nashville fior Phish this past weekend. Stopped by the CMHOF. Isbell’s wife’s exhibit case is double the size of his. ????
October 12, 2023 @ 2:27 pm
The fact that he hangs out with Joe Biden is awesome…two peas in a pod, those two.
October 12, 2023 @ 2:37 pm
Haven’t listened to anything from him since 2017. He’s just so insufferable.
October 12, 2023 @ 3:07 pm
Hey Trig,
I would invite, no, encourage you to interview Mr. Isbell yourself and then maybe you could clear up all the resounding questions, opinions and judgements revolving in all our minds. Is that a task you might want to entertain? Or are you just a op/ed man in the background? And yes, I’m a fan. Of both of you.
October 12, 2023 @ 5:30 pm
Generally speaking, I don’t interview artists unless it ties into a news story and an interview is the way to glean the information. I’m not against interviewing artists, but it’s just not my domain. As a critic and a commentator, it’s imperative I remain impartial and divested from hanging out or befriending artists, and interviews can often lend to the kinds of friendships that results in articles like this piece in the LA Times that I frankly think is an abomination of journalism.
That said, if Jason Isbell wanted to speak, I’d be more than happy to talk to him, in interview form or any other. But that would never happen because I would ask him questions he’s not ready to answer, and confront him about things he’s unwilling to address. It’s better for him to just surround himself with people who will compose puff pieces to flatter him, and not have to face any criticism, or cast off any criticism he receives as “right wing.”
This is why I host and interact with a comments section. I invite criticism of my work, especially on an article such as this. It makes me a better writer, it allows me to see issues from other people’s perspectives. It’s healthy to have your views challenged, and I think this is at the heart of Isbell’s misunderstanding with people who disagree with him. Maybe they’re not “closed-minded.” Maybe every once in a while they have a point.
October 12, 2023 @ 3:12 pm
I seen him throwing out the first pitch of a ball game who has a racist team name and does the racist tomahawk chop. If you listen to Jason Isbell, you are a racist who hates all Native Americans.
October 12, 2023 @ 3:18 pm
I could sit and try to type out something all day long about my feelings about Jason Isbell. I guess a good summary would be:
1. I discovered him and was amazed.
2. I watched him get sober and supported him by buying everything.
3. It started not getting to be fun and enjoyable anymore the more he spoke his mind and argued with fans.
4. I have no desire to listen to him any longer. Not because I agree or disagree, it’s just not enjoyable.
October 12, 2023 @ 3:23 pm
The last sentence of this article is peculiar to me.
Is Oliver Anthony going on Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson’s podcasts, really “affecting true change”?
Look, I think Jason Isbell is a great artist who also is a bit of a prick.
But I have seen nothing of Oliver Anthony that would make that last sentence true. Sorry. The dude got shot out of a cannon by idiots on the right and left arguing about his mediocre song. He has since tried to softly pivot in an attempt to avoid getting pigeonholed, but in the interim I can’t think of one song he has put out that hasn’t been the typical Oliver Anthony song of not-to-subtly singing about the plight of the white working class, but done so by a guy who desperately needs a co-writer to prop up his repetitive lyrics.
Come on Trigger, Oliver Anthony alluding to “the new world” in every single song is “changing hearts and minds”?
Holy hell.
October 12, 2023 @ 4:19 pm
“Rich Men North of Richmond” currently has 88 million Spins on Spotify, and the video has 81 million views. For context, the biggest song on Jason Isbell’s soon-to-be Grammy-nominated album “Weathervanes” (“Death Wish”) has just over 3 million spins.
It is absolutely most definitely true that Oliver Anthony’s song has reached an insanely large audience and will affect change on a major level throughout American culture for a country song. It was the subject of the first question at the first debate of the current Presidential election cycle.
You may not like Oliver Anthony. You may not like his song. You may not like the fact that it will enact change in the American culture or what that change will be. But make no mistake, it’s had a major impact.
October 13, 2023 @ 11:02 am
Will it?
Cause “Rich Men North of Richmond” sure doesn’t seem to be really getting much attention now. And Oliver Anthony’s follow-up releases – while not being critical or commercial duds – don’t seem to have gotten anywhere near the same level of attention or critical focus.
Oliver Anthony’s song is trending closer to “Joe the Plumber” of this election cycle than something that actually sticks with Americans. Remember that Joe the Plumber got a lot of attention and there were folks who thought Obama’s response to him would sink his political fortunes. But after the initial fervor, Joe the Plumber became a short-time Fox News guest before eventually fading into obscurity, while few folks thought of Joe the Plumber when casting their ballot for or against Obama.
I just think we need a hell of a lot more data to indicate “Rich Men North of Richmond” isn’t anything more than the latest viral hit and the person behind it fades into obscurity.
Sorry if that is harsh to Anthony, but his song-writing remains frustratingly amateur IMO and nothing he has cut (so far) appears to have the staying power of “Outfit” or “Elephant”.
I hope I am wrong. I would love for Anthony to be taken under the wing of Jamey Johnson and crank out a couple of great albums. I’m not rooting against the guy.
But damn if you don’t appear to be “wish-casting” a little bit with Anthony at this point.
October 13, 2023 @ 12:14 pm
I think my opinions about Oliver Anthony have been very heterodox and honest from the very start. You very well may be right that he flames out. But I saw those same exact predictions for Zach Bryan when he first emerged. I think in 2024, Oliver Anthony is going to go on a big tour, probably make multiple appearances at major festivals, and probably release a proper studio album later in the year. I’m not sold on him yet myself, but I’ve been in this business way to long to cast him off as a one-hit wonder at this point.
October 12, 2023 @ 3:57 pm
I listened to his latest album and it’s not as good as Southeastern. Nothing stuck out as a stronger song than the classic country that I prefer to listen to. That’s why I’m not playing his last album again at least for awhile.
October 12, 2023 @ 3:58 pm
While I’m sitting here listening to weathervanes….
First, Trig this is a great article and very well thought out prose.
Second, For me it’s simple, Isbell is a self righteous woke sober asshole that is also one HELL of a musician. The new 400 unit is really F’ing good and that’s from someone that really disliked ever album since southeastern.
He’s definitely changed since that record, for better and worse. I definitely like this album more for the musical artistry than the lyrical subject matter. His writing now IS subtly and not so trying to convert people to his side of the street. A hundred percent.
The key to life is being able to hold the tension of opposites in life without becoming to attached of our own version what we think how it all should be and work out. So goes with Isbell.
October 12, 2023 @ 4:02 pm
Comrade Isbell should quit music and become an academic, he’d fit right in. He’d be a great grievance studies professor. I’m not big on boycotting musicians I don’t agree with politically, but he’s got a comment for everything right of center good grief.
October 12, 2023 @ 4:10 pm
It’s quite a stretch to claim that “running off the closed minded” is diametrically opposed to getting people who would typically hit the restroom for some songs to “stick around through the discomfort to give their assumptions or biases a second thought.” His assumption on the latter is obviously that the folks at his show are not closed
minded and may be moved by the message of those songs. The better part of your long diatribe is spent on this false premise.
October 12, 2023 @ 5:00 pm
Fuck isbell!
October 12, 2023 @ 5:02 pm
I just really, really hope that people turned off by him don’t go to his concerts, tickets are getting harder and harder to come by! 😉
“To each his own” essentially sums up this article, and comment kerfluffles.
All I can say is Than The F-in Good Lord that there are some people in ‘Country/Americana that aren’t cowed by racists, bigots, and other, shall we say, ‘uncompassionite’ people.
Progress as a cohesive nation will not be found in the mistakes of the past.
One thing, Jason basically NEVER ‘preaches’ from the stage, outside of maybe an offhand comment, I find that admirable.
He lets the songs speak.
October 12, 2023 @ 5:11 pm
He sobered up and replaced the drugs with self-righteousness. Most people choose Jesus but he went for politics. Same thing. Idealism that lets you feel superior to others. Whether they’re a jerk about it afterwards is just a matter of personality. If so their beliefs give them, in their minds, license to behave badly towards the heathens. I really do think most people are just waiting to be given the okay to release their cruelty on a “lawful” target. Every form of political and religious ideology encourages this belief to separate the believers from the unwashed masses. It’s a method of social control that pays dividends to the individual ego.
As you pointed out, this is all the effects of dopamine on the human mind. Whether it’s from a bottle, a needle, sex or even just clicks and likes online it’s all a form of addiction and the addict will do whatever is necessary to get their fix. And if the world reciprocates what can you do to stop it? Nothing. I guess the silver lining is you can’t OD on politics. So Isbell will be around a long time, maybe long enough to realize how much of a jerk he’s been. Probably not though, most people only get one “life-changing event” and for better or worse he’s had his.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:10 pm
Man, you summed it up so well.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:26 pm
“Most people choose Jesus” …. Statistically false.
October 13, 2023 @ 11:04 am
It’s almost like the hardcore religious don’t want to actually look at demographic trends or statistics and instead appear content to just whistle past the graveyard as more Americans turn away from organized religion (as backed-up by reputable statistics).
October 16, 2023 @ 8:26 am
Is your brother on a church kick
Seems like just a different kind of dopesick
Better off to teach a dog a card trick
Than try to have a point and make it clear
— from Relatively Easy
October 12, 2023 @ 5:12 pm
I’ve never had a Twitter account and don’t care much about any social media. On a drive tonight I sought out “Danko/ Manuel” and was blown away. Again. That’s what matters to me.
October 12, 2023 @ 5:54 pm
Fuck Jason Isbell. I don’t care if he wrote a couple decent songs. I don’t care about the politics either. It’s the close mindedness and blatant attempts to remain relevant that are just gross. Enough about that.
October 13, 2023 @ 9:55 am
how do you feel about when artists on the weigh in on current events in blatant attempts to remain relevant? i.e. shooting cases of bud light, marking it from their tour riders, being jason aldean
October 13, 2023 @ 12:05 pm
Honestly, I feel exactly the same. Kid Rock and Jason Isbell have a lot in common even if they’re polar opposites politically. Same tactics.
October 12, 2023 @ 6:20 pm
Need to google the definitions of “constructive criticism and commentary” bud.
sick of Isbell’s judgemental smugness and double standards.
Jason Isbell has hob nobbed with Bill Clinton
he refuses to socialize with the unwashed who don’t share his views.
While you’re at it, look up “irony” and consider how you profit off of Isbell’s name while criticizing another media outlet for giving him too much attention.
Whatever you *thought* you were doing with this post, it was a miss.
October 13, 2023 @ 6:16 am
Nah, you’re wrong
October 12, 2023 @ 6:25 pm
I’m the first person to admit my left lean impacts my tolerance in the figures of the Music world. Isbell is a world class songwriter and the 400 Unit is damn close to perfection. He does punch down in the social media arena, but since his targets are my kind of targets, I am probably more forgiving than I should be. And this worldview does put me at odds with some – but far from all – of mainstream country. Having said that, isn’t this op/ed just as much about the modern PR machine as it saying Isbell is a hypocrite? A/holes and opinions, everybody’s got one.
October 12, 2023 @ 6:55 pm
“isn’t this op/ed just as much about the modern PR machine as it saying Isbell is a hypocrite?”
This is a HUGE part of my concern, and nobody is talking about it. Jason Isbell tapped his cozy relationship with a journalist to field a blatant puff piece in the LA Times right as Grammy voting was commencing to help his prospects in the nomination process. Isbell is using his position of power and prominence to his advantage in a way other potential nominees will not be able to. This is supposed to be about who has the best albums and songs in a given year. Jason Isbell is already going into this process as a clear front runner. This is elite society and power propping up elite society and power. I find this whole thing very morally unethical, greasy, and boldly transparent in a way that should be troubling to people both in the journalism industry, and in the Grammy process.
October 13, 2023 @ 1:05 am
“This is elite society and power propping up elite society and power. I find this whole thing very morally unethical, greasy, and boldly transparent in a way that should be troubling to people both in the journalism industry, and in the Grammy process.”
It’s amazing how many people have missed the fact that this is the point of the article, in fact almost everybody commenting here. This is why social media is such a quagmire–people jump immediately to insults and ad hominem without making any attempt to understand what someone is actually saying simply because they wanna score points on someone they perceive as being from a different tribe.
It’s so predictable and cliched at this point it’d be comical if it weren’t so indicative of the general state of public discourse. Mr. Isbell apparently being an active part of that sad state while benefitting from a puff piece extolling his deep empathy and egalitarian virtues is an irony worth noting.
As side note, the subtitle of the article in question is one of the most spectacularly un-self aware things I’ve ever seen–it’s like a headline on an article from The Onion or The Babylon Bee. Made me LOL out loud. How in the world did that get past an editor?
October 12, 2023 @ 7:23 pm
Isbell is an asshole. And he’s been market corrected by Tyler Childers. Childers is not without controversy…but at least he hasn’t made an arrogant ass of himself on twitter. I’m glad I got tickets to Mule Pull 24 this week. I feel no need to seek out the condescending Isbell.
October 13, 2023 @ 11:07 am
I mean…Childers response to the racial riots/reckoning/whatever you want to call it didn’t exactly age well.
I like Tyler Childers, but wake me up when he has a catalogue of songs anywhere close to Isbell.
Isbell is an annoying prick, but Childers last released a compelling album how many years ago at this point? Even Isbell’s worst albums have actually had original material on it, whereas Childers is cutting cover songs and religious hymns in an attempt to cover-up the fact he has writers block.
October 12, 2023 @ 8:21 pm
Isbell is very talented, and I don’t care what he believes politically. I think 90% of people agree on most things, but just have different viewpoints on how to accomplish those things. But yes, the frustrating part about isbell is his talking down at people, and his holier than thou mentality, that seems to have become bolder over the years.
October 12, 2023 @ 9:49 pm
If you can truly separate the music from the performer, then you may be the perfect market for chatgpt music.
Just a thought
October 12, 2023 @ 10:21 pm
Congratulations on getting the clicks you were seeking…. You can now return to your regular content covering Jason Aldean, Walker Hayes, and every other lifeless corporate creation in which you’ve seemed to find meaning…. The adults can handle meaningful conversations from here.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:35 pm
What the fuck are you talking about. You took a wrong turn at Taste of Country.
Holy wrong assumptions, Batman.
You’re supposed to just call me a “right winger” and move on.
October 12, 2023 @ 10:42 pm
Here’s the thing with Isbell…the only reason I know he’s an asshole is I read his quotes, but the only reason I suspect he may be a great songwriter is that everybody keeps trying to convince me of that on here. Isbell must be reading this shit too, because he seems that he is convinced that he is somebody important enough to criticize other people’s songwriting.
October 12, 2023 @ 11:27 pm
Very talented guy to be such a degenerate sodomite
October 13, 2023 @ 2:49 am
This is a whiny hit piece by someone who pretends to be writing about music. Isbell called you a coward and although this is the first time I’ve read an article by you, I reached that conclusion on my own…before I got the part where you sniffled about it.
I’ve never heard or seen Jason call out anyone who didn’t earn it. Free Spoech means the govt can’t stop you from saying it (unless you’re yelling “fire” in a crowded theater or urging violence.) It does not protect you from the vonsequences of your speech or limit the right of people to respond to your speech by exercising their own such right. You troll someone, be prepared to be called out. You don’t seem to like that he does so effectively. I too think he’s a lot like other genius creative, like Dylan. His songs are less so than Dylan’s. He speaks directly from the heart with no “guess what I’m saying” his empathy and understanding of people from all walks of life is clear and profound in his songs. I could give a rats ass about the Grammy. They ignored both Jason and his wife; Amanda Shires, until they couldn’t get away with it anymore. They still overlook Amanda.imho. and don’t even talk to me about the so called country music awards…I know rockn roll when I hear it and that’s most of what I hear in CMA awards, etc. and love Americana for bringing back and supporting the best of real country storytelling. My favorite genre in both writing and music is “good”. IMHO your arrogance far outdoes Jason Isbells and near the end of your piece when you finally admit your animus, I can almost see the white froth forming in your mouth..so at least your writing is evocative but it’s not truthful. You try to hide your true beliefs and opinions. Thank God Jason does not.
October 13, 2023 @ 4:01 am
I’m sure many “non-Aldean fans” (put down your pitchforks I’m one of you!) can admit that even Jason Aldean is a more “likeable” “Jason” than Jason Isbell.
October 13, 2023 @ 4:52 am
Musical artists should only be followed on musical media–Spotify and the like. Problem solved.
My interest in Jason Isbell peaked with Southeastern and has severely waned since then–as it should, given the abrupt drop-off in quality of releases since then. I can handle about 1 set of his voice, then I too would be heading for the sanctity of a restroom stall–had I ever attended a live performance! I’ll continue to show some interest in his releases, but I don’t ever expect that interest to linger.
October 13, 2023 @ 5:02 am
Isbell is not a great musician, nor is he a particularly important one.
Sam Williams is a better singer, who sings with a lot more emotion, and sincerity.
October 13, 2023 @ 6:11 am
slow music news day. bring out the umpteenth jason isbell madlibs hit piece.
October 13, 2023 @ 7:52 am
The last time I wrote an article critical of Jason Isbell was 22 months ago, and similar to this instance, it proceeded the release of a feature-length spread published with mischaracterizations, hypocrisy, and in that instance, outright lies that it was imperative to correct and challenge.
Since then I have written eight other articles involving Jason Isbell, all either news stories, or reviews that take a positive or very positive take on his music. The idea that I regularly publish “hit pieces” on him (of which this is decidedly not) is a canard. Now, and always, Jason Isbell has received overwhelmingly positive coverage here. But I’m unafraid to speak up when his cozy nature with the press corps results in an ethically compromising situation like this one.
October 14, 2023 @ 1:33 pm
You’re talking out of your ass again.
October 13, 2023 @ 6:11 am
This is a well balanced article. I am a fan of Isbells’ music but we part ways when it comes to our outlook on life. His smug self-righteous closed mindedness is unbearable. It distracts and detracts from his songwriting. I have plenty of friends who have different political beliefs than I do, the difference is they don’t try to force feed their points of view. Jason seems like he would be genuinely unlikeable in person. They say don’t meet your heroes, because they will disappoint you. At least, Jason Isbell doesn’t hide who he really is.
October 13, 2023 @ 6:20 am
Here’s the issue with these articles. The comment section blows up with anti woke hysteria whenever Isbell is mentioned, but those who complain about his rants never seem to when they agree with the artist. Same on the left but less on this site (I assume country brings out more right leaning folks). There are incredibly obnoxious musicians on the right who don’t miss a chance to spout off on social media. Aldean and the wife, Travis Tritt, John Rich. Aaron Lewis and those paragons of virtue Ted Nugent and Kid Rock.
It’s both sides spouting off as they are free to do. Don’t like them…ignore them. Or better yet stay off Twitter.
And he’s right calling out the Anthony song. It’s just not very good. I think the right fells a little down because the left leaning artists are better songwriters. None of the artists I mentioned have ever put out anything as good as Weathervanes.
It’ll be the same comment section next week when trigger goes with another politically charged article to fire up the click.
October 14, 2023 @ 1:30 pm
Dude, if you do not want to come across like an Isbell, you should try a little bit harder.
October 14, 2023 @ 1:55 pm
I don’t really much care about that. After the shit I have read online over the past decade, Isbell is among the least offensive. Maybe it’s the NYer in me that I pretty much don’t give a shit. Some of the commenters here have said way worse things than what I have seen in Isbell’s Twitter. Way worse. So if my comment offends so be it.
October 13, 2023 @ 6:26 am
Jason Isbell is currently my favorite Americana artist. He is outspoken and prone to pissing off the right and far right. That’s probably by design. Social media is generally a net negative that only serves to magnify our divisions. If you like the Americana genre and are liberal or moderate, chances are you’ll like his music. He is an immensely talented singer-songwriter and performer. If you wear a MAGA hat, you’ll probably hate his music. And I think he’s probably okay with that.
October 13, 2023 @ 6:28 am
Isbell is a pompous sack of sh*t. And most people that dig his music think country music is ‘too conservative’. F*ck em and f*ck Isbell.
October 17, 2023 @ 7:07 am
When Isbell along with his twitter follower goons, went on a 3 day hate binge on Travis Tritt and two years ago, Marc Broussard, and the fabricated story hashtag attack war against Cynthia Woods Pavillon, I kind of washed my hands of Isbell. Jason can put out two albums better than Metamodern Sounds of Country Music over the next two years and probably won’t give it much of a listen. This is the same crap Jeff Tweedy did, and it’s why I don’t go out of my way to catch a Wilco show. And I love Wilco and “California Stars”
October 13, 2023 @ 6:32 am
I try my hardest to avoid articles like this. Not because it isn’t well written or interesting, it’s both. But because I really want to enjoy the music. It’s just really hard when a songwriter/artist goes out of their way to be unlikable.
October 13, 2023 @ 6:35 am
“I think the right fells a little down because the left leaning artists are better songwriters.”
This sentiment, that prevails on SCM, is amusing.
“Left leaning” artists, are no better at songwriting than the rest of the global population.
Pure propaganda.
But it is amusing to see all the backslapping, self congratulatory props, amongst this crowd.
*See the Grammy’s
October 13, 2023 @ 6:50 am
Meh, whatever. I tend to rate musicians on their ability to perform live and his shows are boring at best.
October 13, 2023 @ 7:58 am
You only do album reviews from douchebags… especially left wing douchebags seem to be your favorite.
Do more coverage on Jamestown Revival. They are by FAR the best new group. And the great thing about them is they keep all politics out of their music and social media. either right or left
October 13, 2023 @ 8:32 am
OK Tucker
October 13, 2023 @ 8:38 am
Someone suggested I listen to this guy a few years ago, and I immediately couldn’t stand the music I was hearing.
Fast forward, and I learned more about the man, and knew it wasn’t for me.
October 13, 2023 @ 9:45 am
In the household I grew up in, I was taught the only thing you should hate is hate. Where all you should be prejudiced against is prejudice. Where all you should be intolerant of is intolerance.
So, when I guy like Isbell espouses empathy…which when you look at the meaning of the word, is something you would think 100% of a society would value… it makes a certain amount of sense that the only folks he doesn’t appear to have any empathy for are those who lack empathy themselves.
I don’t see that as contradiction or double standard.
I mean there is only one political party in the world that can take the word “woke”…which literally means being awake to social injustice… and turn it into a something that people should be ashamed of.
So if a fan quits being a fan of Isbell because he or she cannot abide the ideas expressed in, for example, White Man’s World, I think Isbell’s OK with that. As he should be.
October 13, 2023 @ 10:58 am
I pop back to SCM every now to see if the qualities improved, and every time I’m disappointed to see you’re still churning out these sorts of articles. You’re not good at them, and it’s not helped by you clearly having a bias that you ramble around because you presumably don’t want people to question your integrity (which they shouldn’t).
I dunno, I used to love coming here to read about country. I’ve found so many artists I love. But you’re so out of your comfort zone, and so apparently enamoured with what you see as your role in the industry (please, stop pretending you’re not in a position of I influence), that it’s tough going. See you once a year for the “best of” count downs I suppose.
October 13, 2023 @ 1:16 pm
The underlying concern presented in this article is how someone with high name recognition already who was going into the Grammy process as a frontrunner was able to use his cozy relationship with the press to publish an unprecedented puff piece in an periodical in the epicenter of the Grammy voting bloc to help influence the vote even further in their favor. This type of instance is the very reason I founded Saving Country Music 16 years ago, to give voice and advocate for the artists that are getting overlooked or outright steamrolled by the powers that be. Just because you or I might be a fan of Jason Isbell’s music or believe he deserves Grammy consideration (and I do), that doesn’t make this right, especially when we’ve all be sold how it’s women, Black and Brown, and LGBT artists that are supposed to be getting elevated in this process.
I appreciate your feedback Clive, and I make sure to read and carefully consider everyone else’s opinions. But if you think this article is emblematic of what Saving Country music does on a daily basis then that speaks more to your browsing habits than the actual content on this page. 90% of the time I’m posting album reviews, album announcements, tour and festival announcements, obituaries, and other music features. This feels like the complaints of someone that only goes to church at Easter and Christmas, and then complains that it’s always so crowded. Click on the “Home” button. Browse around. I try to keep things mostly positive here. But when I see something that I feel is unjust, I’m going to speak up. That’s why I started this website, and I’m not stopping now, no matter how unpopular it is.
October 13, 2023 @ 11:12 am
I’m a big fan of Isbell’s music – I’m seeing him at the Ryman tomorrow night for the first time. I think he’s a tremendous songwriter, and I initially gravitated toward him because of his story about recovery from addiction (I’m also in recovery). That being said, his public persona is becoming more unbearable by the day. I agree with his politics as I lean left too, but the way he goes about it is really rough.
He seems like an egomaniac. As someone in 12-step recovery, I also notice a kind of “dry drunk” way about him, especially his public persona. He has a hot take on everything under the sun and can’t seem to shut up. A lot of it also feels very self-righteous and holier-than-thou, like many recovering drunks I’ve met in meetings.
I think his story is great – got sober and turned his life around. But separating the art from the artist can be tough sometimes. I initially gravitated toward him because of his story, but he increasingly seems too arrogant. I stopped listening mostly to Ryan Adams because of all his crap, and I may eventually stop listening to Isbell because of his.
Last thing: I read an interesting piece on NPR about Isbell that talks about how he’s put himself under so much pressure. He seems hellbent on making enemies, and if he ever slips up – whether it be marital trouble or alcohol relapse – there’s going to be a ton of people who pile on and celebrate his misfortune. I hope that doesn’t happen, but he’s making life harder for himself by needlessly pissing people off on purpose.
October 13, 2023 @ 2:47 pm
“ He seems like an egomaniac.“
One thing that guy’s Instagram account needs is more selfies.
“ He seems hellbent on making enemies, and if he ever slips up – whether it be marital trouble or alcohol relapse – there’s going to be a ton of people who pile on and celebrate his misfortune.”
Urge to self sabotage and self destruct has clearly not totally abated.
October 13, 2023 @ 3:55 pm
If he comes off as being this big of an asshole while sober, I can only imagine what his former band members had to endure on tour stuck in the same van as him. I’d probably prefer to around GG Allin post-Exlax.
October 13, 2023 @ 11:23 am
Music, people, America, and sunny afternoons are all way better when you’re not on Twitter.
October 13, 2023 @ 12:37 pm
you should have just said you were a butthurt conservative in the title, would have saved time.
October 13, 2023 @ 1:02 pm
The thing about folks trying to cast off this opinion as “conservative” or “right wing” is that it is missing the underlying point. No opinion is given about Jason Isbell’s political ideology. The foundation of the opinion being shared here is that Jason Isbell has rendered himself ineffective, of not counter-productive to the causes and issues he champions because the terse and judgemental nature of his rhetoric turns people off, validated by the scores of comments that can be seen here and elsewhere of people saying they agree with Isbell’s message, but not the way he conveys it through bullying and bluster online.
I feel like there is a lot of wisdom to be gleaned from this situation. If you want the ideas that Jason Isbell champions to prevail, you would be smart to heed that wisdom. Casting it off as “right wing” is to cast off that wisdom for the comfort of not having your own perspectives challenged.
October 13, 2023 @ 1:52 pm
I am amazed at your willingness to read through comment sections. Just had one question: it seems like you’re inferring that Isbell directly commissioned or asked for the article because of the timing, and because the author had previously written a fawning piece. I see why you connected the dots, and I’m not totally naive to how PR works, but is there more solid evidence to back that up?
Apologies if someone else already asked the same and I missed it. Thanks for sharing anyhow.
October 13, 2023 @ 4:20 pm
I think it’s beyond obvious the LA Times article was commissioned to influence the Grammy Awards, and the smoking gun/fingerprints on the murder weapon is the URL that simply reads, “Jason Isbell Grammys Weathervanes.” That’s why I highlighted that and took a screenshot of it, and embedded it in the article proper. I don’t know if Jason Isbell asked for the article be written specifically, if it was the idea of his manager or publicist, or of the journalist Marissa R. Moss herself, the LA Times, or a combination thereof. But to me, they’re all culpable, because they all participated.
People can write whatever they want, and I’d take up arms for their right to do so. I just think it’s a very, very troubling development if it becomes accepted or even commonplace to write major features for major publications to actively lobby Grammy voters how to vote. The reason for this is because it will center the power and opportunity for nominations and awards with the people that have the deep pockets to pay publicists to pursue these types of articles, and the artists like Jason Isbell that already enjoy fawning press consideration. This puts many of the artists that I highlighted in my own Grammy recommendation on the outside looking into the process. In other words, the rich get richer, and the poor and disconnected continue to get locked out of the process.
https://savingcountrymusic.com/artists-not-to-be-overlooked-for-the-2024-grammys/
One of the great things about the Grammy Awards is they will dig deeper and find those critically acclaimed artist. A Grammy nomination can literally make a career for some of these artists, which for someone like Isbell who already has four of them and is literally traveling in private jets, it’s icing on the cake.
October 14, 2023 @ 10:56 am
Thanks Trigger—I appreciate the reply. Definitely seems like a well-paid publicist seeing an opportunity and going for it to me, you’re correct in that not many indie artists could pull that off. And yeah, obviously the SEO url is a smoking gun. Appreciate all the good music you put on my radar, and always fighting for independent artists.
October 13, 2023 @ 2:22 pm
I recognize that “Rich Men North of Richmond” made a big splash and engorged a bunch of folks who consume right wing media nonstop, but as far as I can tell, the only true change Oliver Anthony has affected is his own fame and recognition.
October 13, 2023 @ 4:10 pm
Twitter…the number one cause of brain diarrhea. Remember how it was before everyone had the ability to blurt things out to millions of people at a time? You know, back in the 00s. Ancient times. We were all better off.
October 13, 2023 @ 4:42 pm
I can count on one hand the number of artists I love to listen to AND can tolerate their political views. Apparently, good songwriting and critical thinking don’t go hand-in-hand.
October 13, 2023 @ 5:49 pm
Enjoy this site and the perspectives presented. That said the comment, rhetorical or not, that a particular line of reasoning is “inarguable” is pretty close minded. No matter, I’ll keep reading. Thanks for a your contributions.
October 13, 2023 @ 6:43 pm
Margo Cilker and Gabe Lee for Grammy nominations, please. Two of the Best Albums of the Year. And The Pink Stones… I am a super fan for a reason….My favorite live band on the planet. Steel Woods, etc, etc, etc, … great year for recorded music. Also saw Enforced this year. Metal as fuck. Hope to see the Steel Woods in Macon next week.
October 13, 2023 @ 8:58 pm
Many of the artists I enjoy don’t align with all of my political views. But none of them have ever said “if you think I’m wrong about anything, fuck off and don’t listen to my music.”
Isbell has done what recovering addicts usually do. Many of them find Jesus and spend years thumping Bibles until they relapse. Jason has chosen to thump his own chest, and it’s likely that when he relapses, he’ll stop caring so much about this stuff.
The guy is a gifted songwriter. He paints pictures with words that move a listener in a way that others could only dream of. Admittedly, I don’t understand the fascination with his vocals, but that’s the case for plenty of artists. I lean left on several social topics, but don’t agree with everything Isbell pushes, so I think he wants me to hate him, though.
October 14, 2023 @ 6:59 am
Excellent article. Been an Isbell fan for nearly 15 years. He definitely comes off as an arrogant bastard much of the time, but I don’t give a rat’s ass. He is one of my favourite musicians ever.
October 14, 2023 @ 8:32 am
I have never met Isbell and if what is written about him and how he comes across is right, I am not sure I want to. He does seem to be rather arrogant and intolerant. However, his music is good an dwell worth a listen and that is what matters.
October 15, 2023 @ 5:28 am
I don’t see the contradiction. Sway the swayable. Don’t waste time on the unswayable. Sounds like a good plan to avoid frustrating yourself.
October 15, 2023 @ 10:02 am
The problem is that Jason Isbell nor anyone else (including myself) is in a position to accurately deduce who is “closed-minded” and who is not. Jason Isbell regularly makes false assumption about people who he judges in totality off of 360 characters and a profile pic. He once called me a “Trump supporter” and an “incel”—both wild-eyed assumptions that are empirically false.
If you actually care about the causes you purport to, you should take the closed-minded nature of your adversaries as a challenge, not an excuse. Those are the people you should work to persuade to your side the most. You should show the most patience and restraint from judgement upon them, because that is what will be the most effective. You should challenge their own prefornulated misconceptions by showing yourself to be the bigger person and above personal ridicule.
Jason Isbell does none of these. He’s a classic, archetypal bully, and attempts to insulate himself from his own trespasses by emphasizing the trespasses of others.