The Lady A Name Change Is Officially a $hit Show
Lady A started by changing their name to erase what some considered the racist connotations of “Antebellum” and to show solidarity with the Black Lives Matter movement. Now that action has resulted in them publicly suing a well-respected black member of the music community and receiving a massive backlash for it. Maybe they should have just left well enough alone.
Lady A officially changed their name on June 11th. But this apparent good deed towards the Black Lives Matter movement didn’t go unpunished for long. A Seattle based R&B singer also named Lady A (real name Anita White) came out the next day angry that her name had been co-opted without any regard or communication from the pop country trio. She had been performing under the name for roughly 20 years.
“This is my life. Lady A is my brand, I’ve used it for over 20 years, and I’m proud of what I’ve done…. They’re using the name because of a Black Lives Matter incident that, for them, is just a moment in time. It shouldn’t have taken George Floyd to die for them to realize that their name had a slave reference to it.”
The term “Antebellum” is derived from the “Antebellum Era” in the American South when slavery was still legal. “Antebellum” is an umbrella term for elements of culture that existed in Southern states after the American Revolution, but before the Civil War. The term often pertains to architecture, fashion, antiquities, and the like—namely the ornate finery of the era. Lady A chose the name after taking their original band photos in front of an antebellum-style house.
Just a few weeks ago, everything seemed to be hunky dory on the Lady A name change front. After the band participated in a Zoom call with the other Lady A, Anita White, they said, “Today, we connected privately with the artist Lady A. Transparent, honest, and authentic conversations were had. We are excited to share we are moving forward with positive solutions and common ground. The hurt is turning into hope. More to come.”
However we didn’t hear anything more about the situation, until Wednesday (7/8) when the country Lady A announced they are preemptively suing the R&B Lady A after negotiations broke down on how to move forward with both artists using the Lady A name. According to country Lady A, R&B Lady A wanted $10 million to relinquish her claims to the name.
Here’s is Lady Antebellum’s statement:
Today we are sad to share that our sincere hope to join together with Anita White in unity and common purpose has ended. She and her team have demanded a $10 million payment, so reluctantly we have come to the conclusion that we need to ask a court to affirm our right to continue to use the name Lady A, a trademark we have held for many years. It was a stirring in our hearts and reflection on our own blindspots that led us to announce a few weeks ago that we were dropping the word ‘Antebellum’ from our name and moving forward using only the name so many of our fans already knew us by. When we learned that Ms. White had also been performing under the name Lady A, we had heartfelt discussions with her about how we can all come together and make something special and beautiful out of this moment. We never even entertained the idea that she shouldn’t also be able to use the name Lady A, and never will – today’s action doesn’t change that. Instead, we shared our stories, listened to each other, prayed and spent hours on the phone and text writing a song about this experience together. We felt we had been brought together for a reason and saw this as living out the calling that brought us to make this change in the first place. We’re disappointed that we won’t be able to work together with Anita for that greater purpose. We’re still committed to educating ourselves, our children and doing our part to fight for the racial justice so desperately needed in our country and around the world. We’ve only taken the first small steps and will prioritize racial equality as a key pillar of the work of LadyAID, specifically leaning into supporting and empowering our youth. We hope Anita and the advisers she is now listening to will change their minds about their approach. We can do so much more together than in this dispute.
According to their suit, Lady A do have legal claim to the “Lady A” name that precede the official name change. The band applied to register “Lady A” specifically (not just Lady Antebellum) in May of 2010. After there was no opposition filed by any person or entity, the application was officially registered by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office on July 26, 2011. Further applications to register the name for musical recordings and merchandise were also granted with no opposition. Anita White never challenged the Lady A name until the band officially shortened their name to it.
The band has also apparently been making good faith efforts to resolve this issue with Anita White in a way that could elevate her music and career moving forward as opposed to overshadowing her. But according to Anita White, Lady A’s concessions were not satisfactory. “Their camp is trying to erase me,” White claimed to Newsday on June 16th. Feeling like Anita White would likely sue them, the band chose to take the preemptive step to sue her first.
“White’s demand for an exorbitant payment in exchange for continued coexistence, notwithstanding the previous absence of discussion of any payment (other than reimbursement of nominal attorneys’ fees), gives rise to imminent controversy, demonstrating a course of action from which a threat of suit could be inferred based on White’s charge of infringement,” the lawsuit says.
Country Lady A is not asking for any money. They just want the ability to use the name freely.
But the optics are terrible here, especially for the former Lady Antebellum, but really for both Lady A’s. Does Anita White really believe that sharing a name with a country band is worth $10 million, as is accused in the lawsuit? And does Lady A really think that suing a black woman over trying to change your name from a potentially racially-insensitive term is the way to get on the right side of this issue?
This feels like a classic matter where lawyers on both sides got involved, started seeing dollar signs, and they will be the ones who will make out like bandits as the two parties get dragged through litigation. So much for good faith. From a legal perspective, not much time has passed in this matter. Often such negotiations and legal briefings take months to hammer out, if not longer. The Lady A trio going on the offense might be the best legal move, but it’s an absolutely terrible move from a publicity standpoint.
But a lot of the anger flowing towards the former Lady Antebellum over this issue is missing the forest for the trees, fueled once again by misleading headlines, and the mob not checking or reading the details. Lady Antebellum was trying to do the right thing with the name change. The law of unintended consequences whiplashed back around on them and has now smacked them in the back of the head ten fold. But if the upshot of this is “give into the politically correct crowd, and this is what you get,” then what will be the incentive for others to make similar good faith moves? The lesson will be to avoid the whole mess entirely.
Songwriter and producer Shane McAnally said it best. “I urge everyone to actually READ [the] article. I’m disappointed in the headline that Billboard and other news outlets are using as click bait, when the article clearly states that the band is only responding to a 10M $ extortion demand.”
Once again the online mob—especially on Twitter—is reacting to a drive-by, 260-character notion of the story instead of the actual situation with all the details. The $10 million demand by Anita White and her lawyers is ludicrous and completely unfounded, especially if as the lawsuit claims, Lady Antebellum has owned the “Lady A” trademark for a decade without dispute. The Anita White team was betting that public ignorance on the matter and the negative perception of a white group suing a black woman would twist the arm of Lady Antebellum and resort in an exorbitant payment.
All this name change has done has brought negative attention to Lady Antebellum, and country music. They were not responding to some fierce backlash about their name when they made the change. The concern was a murmur at best. It’s questionable if “Antebellum” was problematic in the first place. They were trying to be forward thinking, understanding, and pragmatic. Hillary Scott, Charles Kelley, and Dave Haywood of Lady A are not racists. Clueless, innocent, and sheltered maybe. But perfectly harmless and fluffy. But that is not how they’ve been portrayed in the matter.
“In this [country] industry, the air is so thick and putrid with racism, both current and residual, that everyone is awash in it, their eyes so caked with hate that they’ve been glued shut,” is one stanza from when Vulture first address the Lady A name change. Yes, this is how the media outside country music perceive this situation involving the dulcet and sanguine Lady A. Before this matter, most of the people calling for their heads now didn’t even know who the hell Lady Antebellum was. Now they’re the avatars of oppression, only because it’s what is filling people’s Twitter feeds.
Lady Antebellum has made plenty of stupid moves in this situation, including not checking for or with other artists that may have been named “Lady A” before enacting the change. But the lesson many may and arguably should take from this is to not give into the demand mob in the first place. You think they will stop with your name? This has to do with setting ultimatums demanding compliance, with your utter destruction as the consequence if those ultimatums are not met, enforced by the cancel mob.
Meanwhile, focusing on names when actual actions that demean and downgrade black performers in country like when The Highwomen disinvited Mickey Guyton from a video shoot last minute go unreported. This shows that the PC mob and much of the media is all about symbolism, and is using this moment to enact political retribution on artists that they believe don’t fit their ideals as opposed to actually addressing race in country music.
Mostly Metal
July 9, 2020 @ 9:08 am
Is it the band doing this or their management?
Trigger
July 9, 2020 @ 9:22 am
It’s certainly not Lady Antebellum. I doubt it’s even their management. This is a lawyer who is solely focused on the legal ramifications who somehow convinced everyone else, “We must sue now or we’re screwed!” and for some reason believes fighting it out in the country of public opinion is also smart.
The $10 million demand from Anita White is exorbitant and ludicrous. But it could have just been a negotiating platform. As most any civil lawyer will tell you, when trying to settle with a party, the first offer you float is always twice as much as you think the top end of what you might get is. And if you’re the party paying out, your first offer is at least half as much as you think you owe. Then you volleyball offers back and forth for six months while the lawyers charge $300/hour until you come to settlement. It hasn’t even been a month since Lady A announced their name change.
Luckyoldsun
July 9, 2020 @ 11:31 am
The lawyer is correct.
I’m sure he’s an intellectual property specialist who knows a lot more about trademark law than anybody here.
But I do know that when somebody challenges your right to use a name–even in a private letter–it behooves you to go to court quickly to resolve the matter, lest they sue you first and allege that your breach was willful and that you’ve waived certain defenses.
mn
July 9, 2020 @ 4:23 pm
hurr durr lawyer bad
Musiccityman
July 9, 2020 @ 11:37 pm
We’ve recognized since at least Shakespeare’s time that lawyers are parasites on society. So yes “mn”, lawyer bad. Lawyer vewy vewy bad.
Travis
July 9, 2020 @ 2:03 pm
The ‘negotiating platform’ is exactly what I thought as I read this. Make a counter offer for $25,000 and everyone goes off happy. It doesn’t hurt the new Lady A at all and the original Lady A gets a little cash and free publicity. That being said, to start off at $10M is nuts.
Ghost of Country Past
July 12, 2020 @ 9:37 pm
As an actual lawyer, while I don’t appreciate the generalizations as we aren’t all blood-sucking parasites, I do think this Lady Antebellum’s legal team playing hardball as a reaction to a $10m demand. I imagine they’ll settle this eventually, unless Anita White’s counsel is entirely incompetent. The dec action may have been a tad preemptive, but this is a good way for Anita White to clamor down. Her lawyer, again if competent, knows they’re going to lose the dec action and this will bring them into a more realistic negotiation point.
The optics are horrible though, which the snazzy Nashville counsel likely was too ivory tower’d up to think about.
the real lady a
October 4, 2021 @ 7:40 am
white privilege at its finest…does not matter who is driving this lawsuit…the band members could shut it down, but again they are white, and from the south, which means not ready to let go of the racist art of stealing from black folks…
antebellum was a problem name to begin with…plenty of money already, but never enough for the rich…change the band name to something else, dismiss the lawsuit already, apologize for being bigots, donate some $ to a traditional black college, and be done already…show real change & enlightenment with action!
Jack
January 1, 2022 @ 11:30 am
Begging and simultaneously squealing “racism”. Typical bullshit from your type.
Landon
February 27, 2023 @ 6:13 pm
You are correct. The dumb and dumber still do not even know where the stupid Racism
Agenda began. It began with the radical JEW Leon Trotsky in late 1800’s as a device
to hide behind while enslaving the blacks. They still havent figured out the JEWS were
the Slave Traders, creating the BS on White Plantation Owner narrative however the JEWS
history is now being revealed and many blacks are waking up , along with the Global population.
As for Lady A, formerly Lady Antebellum you are a complete disgrace to bow to this WOKE CRAP.
Like the career dead Dixie Chick Commie pigs you are done with most People including myself.
Complete Disgrace
docweasel
July 11, 2020 @ 8:50 am
They should have just changed their name to a new name once they found out this lady was already using it. I fail to see ANY upside to clinging to a name no one heard of before anyway. Now, before they sink any money or time into publicizing Lady A change it to Lady Abolition or whatever and get on with their lives. This writer seems very sympathetic to them, but I see it as a bull-headed failure to admit they screwed up and instead of cutting their losses and moving on they are going to keep the story in the news for months and gin up more bad feeling against them. This lady has now aligned herself with BLM, so expect rioting and violence before their concerts or album signings. They have the worst legal and PR team ever.
Trigger
July 11, 2020 @ 9:09 am
Trust me, this writer is not “very sympathetic” to Lady Antebellum. Changing their name before vetting it and clearing it with anyone else who may be using it was irresponsible, and so is suing Lady A preemptively. These were catastrophic, and irresponsible moves, both morally and from a publicity standpoint. That said, they’re asking $0, have had the trademark on the name for over 10 years, and are simply asking the court to recognize they have a legal right to use it, which they do. This is the entire reason there are trademarks, and trademark law, is to avoid these very scenarios. And no, trademarks are not an element of “privilege.” They are there in part to protect individuals like Anita White from getting taken advantage of from larger entities.
docweasel
July 11, 2020 @ 4:13 pm
I’m not saying TAFKALA isn’t within their rights. What I’m saying is they went through the drastic step of changing their name (which no company, band or business does lightly, you are sure to lose sales) to gain positive PR for their enlightened stance as virtue signallers. Now they have lost any goodwill they gained from doing that and more. The name Lady A is not well known yet, they should have quit when they found out she was using it and just come up with another “A” word or something similar. My suggestion is Lady Abolition (or is that a white savior connotation?). They have completely mismanaged this disaster and should cut their losses immediately, all sympathy is going to be with this blues singer.
POP pop
July 9, 2020 @ 9:09 am
Relevancy in 2020 for The Group Fornerly Known as Lady Antebellum and Now Wanting To Be Known as Lady A is taking the name of an African-American singer because they want to remove the racial injustice connotations of their past name. Maybe Hillary and the Muppets should just be known as Summer’s Eve because of the giant douches they have become.
Bob Loblaw
July 9, 2020 @ 12:17 pm
Honestly ‘Summer’s Eve’ is as good of a band name as ‘Lady Antebellum’
Goey agetter
January 13, 2023 @ 9:21 pm
Like a feminine hygiene product…niceeeee ????
T-grondo
July 9, 2020 @ 9:11 am
Lady “Antebellum”…..should have changed their name to…..”Lady A…y’all…!”
Huh, huh…????? (I’m a genius….yes, I know)
T-grondo
July 9, 2020 @ 12:22 pm
Ok….how about this one…???
Lady A, (the country band) could join forces with Lady A, (the blues singer) and become…
Lady AA…….!
This could be a whole new market for the band to explore….!
Of course, they couldn’t play clubs cause the liquor sales would be dismal……
But maybe Lady AA could be sponsored by Duracell…..????
John R Baker
July 9, 2020 @ 9:12 am
I hate to laugh at them but LOL. Still, the “give into the mob” thing is totally overwrought. Nobody was clamoring for them to change the name in the first place. When they did it was ,as Rhiannon Giddens put it, “cringe inducing.” They just never read the room right in the first place.
And no, this has nothing to do with the Highwomen either.
Trigger
July 9, 2020 @ 9:31 am
I agree, there was no mob clamoring for a name change from Lady A. The mob came for them after the change was made. But I think this is an even greater indictment of the mob. You have to properly gauge the intent of individuals and zoom out to see the bigger picture. Lady Antebellum tried to do the right thing and are now being destroyed for it. So what’s the lesson?
And seeing the sheer outrage by people—most of whom as Shane McAnally said are simply reacting to a title instead of the nuance of the story—is definitely telling when you balance it with the utter silence on the Highwomen issue. Notice how the Dixie Chicks came out unscathed from their name change, even though “Chicks” is deemed just as problematic if not more as “Dixie” in established PC dialogue?
John R Baker
July 9, 2020 @ 10:34 am
Dude you miss the key fact. The lesson of this story is that if you choose a new band name make sure nobody else is using it first. The Chicks did and worked it before hand. “Lady A.” did not and now they are screwed. Shane can bitch all he want but they look so awful because they didn’t do their due diligence and got themselves backed into a corner. Don’t they have people who are supposed to do all this for them? That’s the only actual similarity to the Highwomen thing. Somebody screwed it up.
None of this is telling of anything *but* that because nobody really cared if they changed the names or not in the first place.
I find “PC culture” as irritating as you but I understand it. The case you are making doesn’t actually make any sense because you don’t. It gets plenty irrational and intolerant but it’s not necessarily that shallow. They tie things to power dynamics and related historical grievances. In PC think “The Chicks” can call themselves whatever they want as long as they are not making fun of somebody with less perceived power. Choosing the term themselves gets seen as “reclaiming language” and self-empowering if anybody bothers to think about it at all. But both “antebellum” and “dixie” as terms have become more anodyne because they are more generic. The desire to change the names appeared to me more about self perception than what anybody else thought.
Trigger
July 9, 2020 @ 11:05 am
John,
First off, let me not mince any words. As I say explicitly in the article, Lady Antebellum should have checked to make sure there would have been no conflicts by changing to the name “Lady A” before they did so, and resolved any disputes before making the name public, especially since there was no major pressure to make the change at that time. This was a gross mistake by the band and their management. I am in no way defending Lady Antebellum. However, I think we all should zoom out and look at the bigger picture, especially on a matter as complicated as this one.
“The desire to change the names appeared to me more about self perception than what anybody else thought.”
I totally agree with this, and I think we agree on this point in general. I was simply making different, but adjacent points that if you change your name to perceivably give into the politically correct crowd and you end up in the position Lady Antebellum is now, this will disincentivize bands or anyone else from doing this in the future, while it also seems some entities are spared public ridicule simply because they’re perceived to be on the just side of the political divide.
There was a band named “The Highwomen” before The Highwomen formed, for example. In fact I think there were two of them. There was also a band named “The Highwaymen” before the famous “The Highwaymen” were formed. Those instances never got this out of hand.
jacob hatcher
July 9, 2020 @ 12:04 pm
I think it could very well be that they did a thorough check for any conflicts and Lady A the singer was so much not on the radar that it didn’t come up. Not that this means a whole lot legally, but Wikipedia page was created the and day this controversy broke, and at this point it’s impossible to determine what her online Etc presence was prior to all of this, but I would imagine it was nominal.
John Baker
July 9, 2020 @ 12:35 pm
Yes, though the case in point is that there already was a band named “The Chicks” as well. I’m probably not being fair laughing at “Lady Whatever’s” problem because I don’t like them. I think “Lady Anodyne” would probably fit them the best because they strive to sound like inoffensive, new age pablum. But as I see it neither this nor the Highwomen issue you are concerned about are really indicative of any larger issue. Somebody, somewhere screwed up. In this case it caused them a massive legal headache and much larger PR problem.
But it’s just their problem. The incentive to change things or not to be inclusive is going to come from much larger market and cultural forces. Bands are going to make these decisions based on their business and branding interests. People who are partisans for a particular cause are going to run with it. (I’m watching Margo Price do that on Twitter.) But that’s OK too. I think these political arguments are healthy and necessary.
That may be where we disagree. You seem to see these kerfuffles and as existential threats to county music. I think the threat comes from avoiding the discussion and trying to make everything inoffensive and innocuous instead.
collin
July 9, 2020 @ 3:14 pm
“I find ‘PC culture’ as irritating as you but I understand it.”
What’s irritating about being expected to consider other people’s feelings and not be an insensitive asshole? Yeah, you can always find a red rose on Twitter with an anime avatar who’s Internet Mad because the term “wristwatch” is ableist or some other 14-year-old Tumblr BS, but come on. Most of the time when people complain about everything being too PC these days, they’re just mad about getting called out for making racist jokes or mocking someone for being gay.
Musiccityman
July 9, 2020 @ 11:39 pm
In fairness, non-white sodomites are fucking HILARIOUS
Luckyoldsun
July 9, 2020 @ 11:57 pm
@collin
And what I find as irritating as the p.c. culture is p.c. enforcers who deny that it exists and call people “assholes” for objecting to it.
No, it’s not about getting called out for making racist jokes or mocking someone for being gay. I’ve never done any of those things in my life.
It’s one thing to be told to refer to Caitlyn Jenner as “she” but it’s quite another to be told that we must agree that Caitlyn Jenner literally is a woman. I’m OK with the former, but you can’t make me do the latter.
Or to be told that we may not use handicaps metaphorically, as in “blind to reality.” Or that a children’s picture book based on the brilliant ancient Indian parable of “The Blind Men and the Elephant” must now be treated as contraband, akin to pornography.
Or to be instructed–as we were last week, that if you write something for a publication that subscribes to the A.P. or NYT Stylebooks, you had better make sure to capitalize “Black person” and to lower case “white person”–or you’re a filthy racist, presumably.
And of course, to be fired for saying “Everyone’s live matters.” (That actually happened to a respected nursing school dean in Massachusetts last week.
(If anybody thinks I’m making shoot up, Google this stuff.)
Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining. (Or in the modern parlance, don’t “gaslight” me.) P.C. culture is real, and a lot of Americans do not want to put up with it.
Jack Hardwood
July 11, 2020 @ 8:55 am
Because I should have to think out how every word in a statement may or may not offend someone. It is difficult to keep up on everything that gets cancelled in culture. How about not being a pussy. Why not just say that something I said you found offensive?
Luckyoldsun
July 9, 2020 @ 11:17 pm
@ Trigger
“Chick” may be “problematic” or seen as demeaning in some circumstances if a man uses the term to refer to a woman, but it’s not at all controversial if a woman calls herself by that word. Especially given that the Dixie Chicks are all in their late 40s or older by now, the word comes off as an ironic or humorous assertion that they’re still young and sexy.
As for the mob not coming after “Lady Antebellum”: It’s probably because the mob is largely uneducated and ignorant. Once somebody explained it and the mob caught on to what “antebellum” signifies, they’d have been all over the group. Heck, not even George Washington is safe from the self-righteous cancel hordes.
Amanda
July 11, 2020 @ 4:56 am
To be fair, George Washington ripped out his living slaves teeth to make his dentures. They weren’t wood, like many of us learned in school. It’s okay to acknowledge our founding fathers did some really crappy things. It doesn’t make you “too PC”
Smarco
July 10, 2020 @ 7:07 am
I don’t think Lady Antebellum “tried to do the right thing.” Nothing about the word antebellum is racist. And frankly, once the Mob succeeds in erasing the word from our lexicon it has essentially erased our past.
There’s a lot to learn from our past.
To me, the name change smacks of virtue signalling, which often comes with its own consequences–from both sides. They got what they got, and if they didn’t expect it, then the members truly are clueless.
Jack W
July 10, 2020 @ 7:44 am
I also don’t quite agree that they were trying to do the right thing. When you change your name from Lady Antebellum to Lady A, the A still stands for antebellum, just like KFC still stands for Kentucky Fried Chicken. It was a “have your cake and eat it too” half measure. I think they should have either kept the name and dealt with the consequences or changed to a different word altogether.
I would say that the word antebellum (“before the war”) at least has a racial connotation in the American context as it is typically associated with The South before the Civil War.
Trigger
July 10, 2020 @ 8:12 am
I can’t express to you how difficult it would be for any band to just rebrand to a completely different name. Basically, you’re starting over, especially in this day and age. With search engines, URLs, social media algorhythms, programmatic learning, and the way touring guarantees are specifically pegged to previous earnings, you’re basically starting back from zero. Now, if you’re a band like Lady A, perhaps you can reassemble some of those pieces better than a band starting out. But let’s remember, this is a band that a few years ago basically broke up because nobody was paying attention to them. That was their official explanation. And then they launched solo projects, with Charles Kelley canceling parts of a solo tour because it was selling so poorly.
Lady Antebellum is NOT a big concern. They had one big song “Need You Now” 11 years ago, and since then have been propped up by radio play. They were never a big tour draw. Their sales and streams are in line with Americana and independent country acts like Jason Isbell now. The idea they have $10 million dollars just laying around because they’re a mainstream band is ludicrous.
I’ve had people suggest (and sometimes demand) I change the name of this site over the years. I’ve looked into it, and it would be nothing short of catastrophic. It would be starting over from scratch. They already had the name “Lady A” trademarked and it was in common parlance. It keeps them recognizable while eliminating a word some deem problematic. It’s not a perfect solution, but it’s addressing the concern.
Again, the lesson many will take from this issue is, “Don’t change your name at all. It’s not worth the trouble. It could even make it worse.” This is the signal being sent to all bands and brands with names some may deem problematic at the moment.
Zues
July 14, 2020 @ 7:15 am
I was thinking the same thing during this whole process. Using “A” for Antebellum is akin to saying “N-word”, in that, we know what you mean and what it’s replacing. The word is still there, just represented differently. I’m not saying that the word antebellum has racist connotations or not, I agree that’s debatable. However, in their specific use of “A” in their new name, it still means Antebellum.
Can we just put an asterisk next to all band names created pre-2020 and move on with our day?
Trigger
July 10, 2020 @ 7:46 am
There was a perception out there in the public that “Antebellum” had racist connotations. I agree that a deeper discussion of whether that is the case or not is warranted. But it’s their name, and they should have the freedom to change it if they choose. Whether you think changing it was the right thing or not, it’s what they thought was the right thing. That’s why they did it. I’m sure there’s some second guessing going on now, but since they’ve said they believe the name is problematic, you can’t go back now.
Musiccityman
July 12, 2020 @ 9:19 pm
You massively overrate the intelligence of country music fans and music journalist in general. I doubt 5% of either group could spell antebellum. Bless there hearts.
shawn tackett
July 9, 2020 @ 9:13 am
hey trigger. go look up current copyright laws. I have, and it says that names cannot be copyrighted..is this something totally different. I do not know. would like to know what you think. this whole thing just seems confusing. thanks.
Trigger
July 9, 2020 @ 9:38 am
Copyrights and trademarks are two separate things.
A copyright is for a written work, a photo, an idea, a song, a movie.
A trademark is for a business name, a band name, and emblem, a slogan.
You often cannot copyright a name because as a simple expression, and it’s not fair to take that out of circulation for general use by anyone.
A trademark means that you’re taking something and making sure nobody else can use it for marketing purposes so there’s no confusion.
I have a registered trademark for the “Saving Country Music” name. I copyright my respective articles, so if they’re stolen (which happens more than you know), I have legal recourse.
Hope that helps explain it a little.
If in fact “Lady A” was registered as a trademark by the former Lady Antebellum, and Lady A the artist didn’t make any effort to secure or dispute the name, this gives all rights and protections to Lady Antebellum. This may feel unfair to “Lady A” the artist, but that is what these mechanisms are for, to protect artists from this very scenario.
shawn tackett
July 9, 2020 @ 10:42 am
thanks it does and i learned something i did not know. so thanks
Pauly B
July 9, 2020 @ 11:00 am
Perception is reality, trigger. Let’s say the real Lady A loses this case in an all white setting in Nashville. Anita White will go straight to Don Lemon and say the white woke millennial trio and Big Machine are a bunch of hypocritical racists. And inevitably win the civil dispute on appeal. Perception is reality, trigger. You know this more than anyone. If I were Big Machine I would quickly pay out the $10 Million to prevent Don Lemon making his waves through Music row shaking down the big labels because they aren’t black enough.
JPalmer
July 9, 2020 @ 12:12 pm
Bro, you can’t give into $10M shakedowns. Big Machine has no interest in doing so.
Pauly B
July 9, 2020 @ 2:44 pm
True. But maybe they should’ve thought about it before going all woke with the name change. Decisions have consequences. This is a classic example of virtual signaling and wokeness blowing up in their woke faces and I’m laughing way too hard at this than I should. My sides hurt it’s so funny.
trevistrat
July 11, 2020 @ 6:18 pm
Like Garth tried to do with the lowercase “g”?
Adam S
July 16, 2020 @ 8:04 pm
Trigger, your comments on trademark law aren’t entirely accurate. You do not NEED to register a trademark. Priority goes to the first to use the mark “in commerce”.
Tom
July 9, 2020 @ 9:46 am
Names can’t be copyrighted but they can be trademarked.
jacob hatcher
July 9, 2020 @ 10:19 am
Another thing to consider is that an entity has a stronger case for trademark protection when they can establish that the general public associates a given phrase, name, or slogan with that particular entity.
In this case, even in 2010, could Anita White have established that the general public would readily associate her with the term Lady A? Because I saw the band Lady A at the Bluebird Cafe very early into their forming and have known them interchangeably as Lady Antebellum and Lady A pretty much ever since.
wayne
July 9, 2020 @ 9:15 am
Maybe this is an effort by the “original” Lady A to receive reparations.
I do not feel one bit sorry for the country LADY A group. Making decisions based upon “warm and fuzzy” is rarely rational. When you join the herd, you deserve the cow shit you fall into.
sodcutterjones
July 9, 2020 @ 9:25 am
When you give into the mob and have nothing to show for it. Or, when you give into the mob and still lose money, you might be a bleeding heart irrational pop country band.
thegentile
July 9, 2020 @ 9:29 am
i’d rather have money than the opportunity to collaborate on some shitty song about the experience too.
Jake Cutter
July 9, 2020 @ 9:30 am
“In this [country] industry, the air is so thick and putrid with racism, both current and residual, that everyone is awash in it, their eyes so caked with hate that they’ve been glued shut…”
Anyone else tired of hyperbole and clickbait yet?
Not a fan of country “A” at all, and think they made some dumb moves and I’m kind of laughing at them about this. I’m also laughing at the idea of $10 million to an unknown artist, having anything to do with “justice.”
Jimmy
July 9, 2020 @ 11:18 am
I agree. Although I think Lady A blues will win, it won’t be anywhere near $10 million. That number is a joke, and even though Lady Antebellum did this to themselves by virtue signalling and trying to prove how ‘woke’ they are, they don’t deserve to be ruined over this (but likely will be).
This is what happens when you apologize to a mob of thugs and domestic terrorists. Lady Antebellum had no reason to change their name or apologize, but once you go grovelling on your knees, hat in hand, you’re finished. How many careers have been ruined because someone apologized when they should have said “Fuck off,” or not said anything at all?
What a gong show.
the pistolero
July 9, 2020 @ 4:16 pm
Actually, I am really tired of everything from front yards to peanut butter and jelly and everything in between being called racist. If everything is racist, nothing is racist.
618creekrat
July 9, 2020 @ 9:34 am
Maybe they should’ve gone with “Lady _”. The explanation being, “Because ‘A’ was already taken, ‘B’ and ‘C’ could stand for words demeaning to women, and we’re not sure about the rest..”
This has been a PAGOCK! PAGOCK! production
July 9, 2020 @ 9:39 am
Why don’t they just change their name simply to the “Hillary Scot Band” or “Scott, Kelley & Haywood”? Problem solved.
Trigger
July 9, 2020 @ 9:59 am
Well, if they have owned a specific trademark on the name “Lady A” for ten years without any dispute from Anita White, they have no obligation to vacate or share it. It appears they do want to share it, but they have no obligation.
But from a publicity and optics standpoint, yes, simply changing to “Scott, Kelley & Haywood” or something similar would have put them much more on the right side of this issue publicly than they are now. As many others have pointed out, erasing “Antebellum” but leaving the ‘A’ is a little disingenuous since everyone knows what it stands for. But rebranding a band 14 years in has massive ramifications on things like radio play, tour draw, merch, etc. that can’t go unrecognized. This is the reason B.J. Barham continues to use the American Aquarium name even though he’s turned over band mates half a dozen times.
Thomas Tuttle
July 9, 2020 @ 9:49 am
Lady Antebellum is a group of incredibly selfish individuals. Anita White has a prior art claim, but moral people would understand their move was a mistake and start over with the name search. I hope t Lady Antebellum goes down like the Dixie Chicks. They are racists.
karl
July 9, 2020 @ 12:05 pm
How are they selfish? They want to share a name they have had copywrited for over a decade with another artist. They don’t want $$$$$$, the R&B singer wants the $$$$$. Who is being selfish.
King Honky Of Crackershire
July 10, 2020 @ 4:40 pm
Yeah Thomas, I’m with you. If they really believe that black lives matter, they’ll stop performing permanently to show solidarity. Anything short of that, and they are equal to slave owners.
Marc
July 9, 2020 @ 9:51 am
A fu#@ing house????
Tom
July 9, 2020 @ 9:52 am
They should have changed their name to Lady Avacado.
stookyvookyosis
July 9, 2020 @ 10:04 am
Lady Anti-Antebellum? That A has to stand for something.
Scott
July 9, 2020 @ 5:04 pm
This right here. Can’t believe I didn’t think of this sooner. How was Lady A ever a solution of any kind? It’s like if NWA decides from henceforth that stood for N’s With Attitudes.
Peekardee & Lappith (featuring Tumpkin)
July 9, 2020 @ 10:10 am
I haven’t gone on Spotify or iTunes, but do their old albums still have Antebellum on them or have they been redone with the shortened name? All that old merchandise with the old name will still be out there.
LB
July 9, 2020 @ 10:31 am
The album covers and such haven’t been switched, but their actual name for everything else is changed to just Lady A.
MH
July 9, 2020 @ 10:14 am
You can’t give in to the woke cancel-culture mob.
Once you yield to them, it’s never enough. See Confederate monuments—>Lincoln—–>monuments—>Columbus monuments, etc
Lady A should’ve trademarked the name. Her loss.
OOPS! Dropsy! :)
July 9, 2020 @ 10:15 am
Maybe they could get their fans to come up with a totally new name for the band, and the winner wins a prize!
Yippy Skippy!
July 9, 2020 @ 10:20 am
That would be keen!
Johnny Bravo
July 9, 2020 @ 11:10 am
NEATO!
Fuzzy Twoshirts
July 9, 2020 @ 10:18 am
I just hope they get so much bad press they go away for good
Trigger
July 9, 2020 @ 12:55 pm
I think in matters like these it is important for everyone to divest themselves in their personal taste in music and see the bigger picture. We start rooting for whose music we like the best, or even who we align with more culturally or politically as opposed to letting the facts and circumstances dictate our opinions, we’re doing a disservice to both parties.
Also, this matter is much bigger than the music, with implications of how this current racial reconciliation will continue to unfold.
Chris
July 9, 2020 @ 10:18 am
How about Lady AC? Their music is straight up adult contemporary anyway. Or what used to be considered adult contemporary before Lizzo was considered adult contemporary.
Rusty W
July 9, 2020 @ 10:23 am
If Lady Antebellum indeed trademarked “Lady A” in 2010 but DID NOT USE THAT TRADEMARK, she lost the rights to use that (Lady A) name. You can’t just trademark something and then sit on it for years. You have to actively use your trademark, and you must issue cease and desist actions on others who are infringing on your trademark. And the burden of proof is NOT on the R&B Lady A to do a legal search to find that someone else has trademarked a name that the R&B Lady A has been ACTIVELY using.
This should be an easy court win for the R&B Lady A. “Lady Antebellum” should change her name to “Lady Arrogant”!
Trigger
July 9, 2020 @ 10:45 am
This is a good point. You must use your trademark for it to remain valid, and you can’t selectively enforce it. If anyone attempts to appropriate it, you must dispute it. Lady A the band did not dispute Lady A the artist about her name at any point after registering the trademark. And if they did, she could have claimed and proven use of the name well before the trademark application.
However, as Lady A the band explained when they made the name change, they had already been using the Lady A name for many years, which as someone who covers country music, I can vouch for. Also, when you apply for a trademark, there is an extended waiting period where it is put out in the public domain for anyone to dispute the claim to it. Of course, these days this is sort of like putting an ad out in the local newspaper for unclaimed property. Who really is going to see it? But if Anita White wanted to dispute it, she had an opportunity.
Also, it’s important to point out that Lady Antebellum is not saying the trademark is theirs. They’re going out of their way to say they want to share it with the artist Lady A, and that she has every right to continue to use it. They just don’t want to have to continue to be ridiculed and challenged by her for using the name.
A lot of moving parts and entanglements to this issue.
Pauly B
July 9, 2020 @ 10:53 am
It’s a classic case of white wokenss and virtue signaling blowing up in their faces. The Scott Borchetta Zoom Calls at Big Machine I imagine have been a scream this week
jacob hatcher
July 9, 2020 @ 10:32 am
I agree that the optics are terrible on this, and realistically they probably weren’t on anyone’s radar to be cancelled because of their name. A name that they’ve stated in many interviews over the year that they didn’t even know what it meant at first, but it is a really interesting case study of our current times.
I understand that it’s ironic that they were attempting to be conscientious of African Americans and how their name may make them feel and end up choosing a name used by an African American artist, but if the same scenario arose between two white artists, would the optics be as bad?
Is Lady A the band not afforded the opportunity to protect what is legally theirs simply because Lady A the singer is African American? The road we’re heading down is going to be very precarious.
Jody
July 9, 2020 @ 10:34 am
Shane did not say it best. It’s a negotiation between two parties. His use of the word “extortion” meets all 4 standards of a defamatory statement (libel or slander).
Trigger
July 9, 2020 @ 11:21 am
Extortion is an extremely strong word, and not one I have or would use. As I have said, $10 million is a ludicrous number, but very well could have been floated out there simply as a negotiation platform, knowing they would never get it, hoping for half at best.
But what I do think Shane said best was that most everyone on Twitter was reacting to a headline, which is exactly what we see with controversy after controversy these days, whether it’s big artists taking PPP money that is actually going to their workers, Chase Rice playing a “Normal” show to an “enormous” and a “full” audience of “4,000 people” when it was less than 1/4 of that, or saying that “Country music” kicked Lil Nas X out of the genre when it was simply Billboard removing him from their charts with no input from the country community who ended up giving him a CMA Award. These controversies ensue on false pretenses and shocking headlines.
Lady Antebellum has screwed up on numerous points here, including suing Lady A the artist preemptively. But the fact that they have owned the trademark on “Lady A” specifically for 10 years, and Anita Carter is asking $10 million to resolve the dispute, and that they’re suing her for NOTHING aside for asking for fair, dual use of a trademark they already own, are definitely important points to underscore. The way many of the headlines read, Lady A the band is trying to take Lady A the artist for everything she’s worth, and that is what is resulting in the rage.
As I started off yesterday’s article about the PPP loans with,
“We live in the age of shame. Fueled by social media, everybody wants to point an ugly finger at others for being morally inferior to themselves, often to hide from their own mistakes and shortcomings. If there’s someone out there that’s worse than you, then you can’t be all that bad. But by focusing on the inequities of others, you avoid addressing your own.”
That’s what’s happening with Lady A the band at this very moment, and it’s being driven in large part by a false narrative, driven by bad headlines and a lack of full information.
Trigger
July 9, 2020 @ 12:44 pm
Also on this extortion question: Again, I think it’s a strong word and one I would not use. But clearly the lawyers working for Anita White believe they have the advantage in the situation because if Lady A the band does anything less than give into their demands, they will be couched as racist in public. In fact, the Anita White team might have been holding that over the band’s head. Suing Anita White first is an exceptional move. It might have been—as Lady A somewhat alludes to in the lawsuit—it was a necessity due to how the Anita White team were negotiating in bad faith, using the “give us what we want, or we’re calling you racist and will smear your reputation” card over their heads. I don’t think that’s extortion, but it is the kind of bad faith platform that might compel the Lady Antebellum team to make the exceptional move of suing first, so they can set the narrative, choose the venue, etc.
Jody
July 9, 2020 @ 1:11 pm
I’ve been on both sides in copyright claims and licensing disputes. I have also actively led trademark protection claims. They can all quickly get high stakes, messy, and in some cases, personal. But extortion is an actual criminal act.
I’ll attempt to be diplomatic about your other examples- I’m not entirely certain that more details actually change the nature of the stories.
Chase Rice really did take a selfie with a large crowd of unmasked fans, and did post the “we back” vid to make it look packed as possible. Triple 8 never addressed that part of the event. And frankly, I think if more details about that event were brought to light, people would be even more outraged.
Billboard does actively (in some cases very actively) get feedback from the industry on all of its charts. While CMA & Music Row operate independently of Billboard, they are not exactly siloed off from each other either.
Nobody is immune from fitting current events into their own established narrative.
Trigger
July 9, 2020 @ 1:42 pm
“Chase Rice really did take a selfie with a large crowd of unmasked fans, and did post the “we back” vid to make it look packed as possible. Triple 8 never addressed that part of the event. And frankly, I think if more details about that event were brought to light, people would be even more outraged.”
But when you call someone out for playing a concert, and claim there were 4,000 people there and it was a “normal” show like The Washington Post did initially, and half a dozen other outlets did (The Daily Mail STILL has not updated the TITLE of their article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8468633/Country-singer-Chase-Rice-hosts-concert-4-000-fans-Tennessee.html), which then inspires a sitting US Congressman and THOUSANDS of others to tweet out this incorrect information, when people find out the truth, it erodes your entire argument.
It’s not just enough to be on the right side of an issue. You also must get the issue right. The Lady Antebellum story went viral specifically due to the implications of the title, which did not tell the whole story. Lady A was suing for $0. They’ve owned the trademark on “Lady A” for 10 years. They’re will to share the trademark with Lady A the artist, who is asking an exorbitant amount of money from them. The story went viral because people thing they’re attacking a black woman. That’s all Shane McAnally was saying. Compelling people to read beyond a title and get the facts before judging is sage advice for any scenario, especially today when so many are looking to be outraged to fulfill their own desires for self-importance and moral superiority.
Jody
July 9, 2020 @ 4:39 pm
It’s not letting me reply further down in the thread, to your point:
“It’s not just enough to be on the right side of an issue. You also must get the issue right. “
I agree.
All I’m saying is: in trying to get people to read past the headline, Shane gave out some very bad information (“extortion”) & you could say thats pretty similar to a bad headline. He didn’t get the issue right
Pauly B
July 9, 2020 @ 11:44 am
Shane is being a white woke hypocrite. It’s funny seeing him sequel like a white woke pig. Trying to trash the poor black woman. That’s next level white woke.. Perception is reality. That’s what Shane and the rest of the woke apologists can’t seem to comprehend.
Just Jimmy
July 9, 2020 @ 10:37 am
“Lady America” has a nice, patriotic vibe
LB
July 9, 2020 @ 10:37 am
I feel like 95% of the people who are now trying to cancel the band don’t give a single crap about the genre and would not be able to name a single song of theirs. I do find it kind of humorous how articles make the Anita Lady A out to be some revolutionary well known artist in her area when her monthly Spotify listeners before this was less than twenty, and before this went down she genuinely was getting about five or less likes on her Twitter posts. Even though the band are well-off, ten million dollars is ridiculous. For them, that could easily be their share of money or more from a tour after everyone else gets paid. I guess it maybe would have better for the band to wait to get sued and then be the respondent? Regardless, this is screwy.
glendel
July 9, 2020 @ 11:48 am
I am not “able to name a single song of theirs,” and I’ve seen them twice in concert!*
[reminds self that goofy “Pontoon” song belongs to sound-alike band Little Big Town]
*[at fests where their set was before the acts we came to see].
Dee Manning
July 9, 2020 @ 12:10 pm
I actually have seen them in concert (admittedly cause I was bored and tix to their Vegas residency were really cheap. Meh. Except for Need You Now which is a great song.) I think progressive country fans care a lot, and are dismayed the band did something this ill advised and stupid. And that the genre is getting awful publicity when it should be gaining new, young, progressively minded and BIPOC fans.
Trigger
July 9, 2020 @ 1:02 pm
Any time a single artist or entity in country music does something stupid, the ENTIRE GENRE gets blamed. Chase Rice and Chris Janson played shows. The headline from Rolling Stone was, quote, “The Pandemic Is Still Killing People. Why Is Country Music Putting on Concerts?”
That’s because to much of the media, including country music media, country music is nothing more than a stereotype.
Dee Manning
July 9, 2020 @ 1:15 pm
Exactly. So artists, and their fans, should not do stupid crap that reinforces the stereotype.
(And it’s not just country. Like Ozzy Osbourne said once during the height of the PMRC debacle, “whenever I hear of a teenager getting arrested for a horrible crime, I think ‘please don’t be wearing an Ozzy tshirt, please don’t be wearing an Ozzy tshirt.. ‘” )
LB
July 9, 2020 @ 1:21 pm
Dee, what I’m trying to say is that if the majority of the people who are upset weren’t even invested in them to begin with, what impact would this have on them from a career aspect besides maybe radio AirPlay? I am thinking of those stupid “#———isover” parties on twitter where people get the hashtag trending. People who don’t give a shit about the random celeb aren’t going to then really change the artist’s sales, streaming, etc afterwards if they didn’t care about them in the first place. People like getting fired up about something but everyone moves on in a matter of days or weeks.
I’m not commenting on my personal opinion, but there are definitely a number of younger progressive country fans who are saying that Anita is getting a little ridiculous with her whole ten million dollar desires and that people need to read more than headlines before jumping the gun.
Dee Manning
July 9, 2020 @ 1:52 pm
I see your point. But it definitely won’t help them get new fans. People come to a new genre in various indirect ways.
(As two examples, after Kane Brown appeared on the BET Awards, I saw a lot of positive comments about checking out other Black country artists. Or in my case, I wasn’t into country except for Johnny Cash, until one of my all time faves, Gwen Stefani, started to date Blake Shelton so I checked him out and moved forth from there. And now I’m a fan of a lot of different country artists.)
So the punchline is, if new fans who are discovering country think of them as ” those creepy people who sued that poor blues singer” it will not be a plus.
Cameron
July 9, 2020 @ 10:38 am
This is really freaking hilarious.
Dee Manning
July 9, 2020 @ 10:39 am
Their management team royally fucked up by not checking more thoroughly before changing the name. They could have just changed it to Lady Belle (assuming that’s available) and gone forth with life.
Alternately, they could have recognized the $10 mil as an opening salvo, countered with $2 and let the lawyers fight it out. When you’re Goliath, suing David just looks awful, and I don’t think they are coming back from this.
MH
July 9, 2020 @ 10:46 am
“They could have just changed it to Lady Belle (assuming that’s available) and gone forth with life.”
Too much like “Southern Belle” which offers up images from the same time period when slavery was prevalent.
At least that’s what you and your ilk would profess.
Dee Manning
July 9, 2020 @ 1:03 pm
Don’t tell me what I would profess, Sparky. [Insert smiley face here.]
Pauly B
July 9, 2020 @ 10:44 am
Maybe the white woke millennial trio should change their name back to Lady Antebellum. A millennial White privilege sh^%y country group suing the poor black woman . Perception is reality. Time for Big Machine to pay out the big bucks or I will personally label them racists. Classic example of virtue signaling and white woke blowing up in your face.
Mike W.
July 9, 2020 @ 1:08 pm
This has nothing to do with them being millennials and everything to do with their record label and management company being equally freaked out they would get labeled by social media as being “racist”, while also trying to score some free, positive publicity.
Frankly, Lady A should fire their management team today for not pushing back on this idea from the start (if it did start from the artists). Nobody gave a crap about their name other than people who would never be caught dead listening to any “Country” music.
Pauly B
July 9, 2020 @ 1:43 pm
I agree with a lot of that you are saying.. actually I agree completely with Lady Antebellum should fire their management team today. And no one gives a crap about their name . My point is this: Perception Is Reality. The casual Person looking at this and especially the vermin in the media is that a white privileged millennial country trio back by a mega country label is suing a poor black woman. That’s the story. And the Nash white wokes like Shane McAnally is refusing too see the story here.. just the schematics. It’s part of the living in the Nash bubble that has plagued Music Row for years
Eduardo Vargas
July 9, 2020 @ 7:06 pm
You Americans have the most dysfunctional and disgusting way of dealing with racism any country has. Seriously the term “white privilege” is such a dumb and divisive term I can’t help but feel that it only exists to turn society into a perpetual race warfare. Sorry, but not being discriminated based on the color of your skin is not a privilege, it’s a fundamental human right, and no amount of gaslighting by the Robin DiAngelo’s lunatics will change that.
WRS
July 9, 2020 @ 11:01 am
How about changing it to ” Person A” that way people don’t assume her gender?
Jake
July 9, 2020 @ 5:18 pm
You win the comments section. There will not be a better comment on this story, period.
Jimmy
July 9, 2020 @ 11:32 am
“Lady Antebellum was trying to do the right thing with the name change.”
Come on. They got caught up in the whole ‘woke’/’white guilt’ bullshit, and it backfired on them big time. They should have remained silent, and if anyone came after them over the name (which likely would have never happened), simply explained how they came up with it and left it at that. Does anyone really believe these people are racist?
As I said elsewhere, $10 million is a joke. I’d offer maybe 1% of that. At any rate, it doesn’t matter what anyone thinks or says at this point. The trio, more likely their management and publicity team, really screwed up, and this whole thing is going to get uglier.
I feel sorry for the threesome. Even though I’m not a fan of their music, I believe they are decent human beings who go caught up in a moment, maybe took some bad advice, and now it’s turned into a huge mess. But what’s done is done. They could change their name to Lady Dixie and really send the left over the edge.
Pauly B
July 9, 2020 @ 11:52 am
I agree with much of what you said.. It’s white woke gone wild. From Trigger’s blog post “Hillary Scott, Charles Kelley, and Dave Haywood of Lady A are not racists. Clueless, innocent, and sheltered maybe” They grew up in very white neighborhood. I know the area. It was the the type of area where the Karen’s called the cops if little black kids rode their bikes in their white neighborhood. Fast forward to today, you have this fake white wokeness to mask their racist origins. Let’s face it many of these suburban areas have a racial undertone. And I can say that because I lived in the suburbs. They move out there to get away from the city and the crime.
At least I respect the F out of Isbell because he’s not white woke. He’s true to his origins. And I probably don’t agree with Isbell on most issues. But, I have mad respect for him because he has lived out the music he wrote and is certainly not one of these white woke’s running around Nash and East Nash.
Scott
July 9, 2020 @ 5:24 pm
‘White Woke Gone Wild’ is my new band name.
Colter
July 9, 2020 @ 11:51 am
What a bunch of self righteous shit stains. I hope they lose all their money in court costs and never record music again.
Nicolet
July 9, 2020 @ 12:06 pm
A mixture of grift and hysteria is greasing the slippery slope. God bless America.
Aggie14
July 9, 2020 @ 12:11 pm
Haha I love this! Serves them right for trying too hard, and I even like their music.
Natty Bumpo
July 9, 2020 @ 1:05 pm
This “band” has always struck me as something contrived by the music industry to make money. Everything thing they do from how they dress to their actual music seems like it goes through a marketing review before it gets the ok. From their original name to the name change to the lawsuit I actually doubt that the members of this group have that much of a clue about any of it and just go along with what they’ve been told to do because it works to make them money and their managers and lawyers and record company etc. I’m not saying the group is fake but I’m not lying when say that they’ve always come across to me as something sort of phony.
Martin Kurtz
July 9, 2020 @ 1:18 pm
This is 100% a shitshow. The biggest issue I have with this is that country Lady A seemed to rush into this and not think at all about their name change, which is the exact OPPOSITE of why they said they were changing their name in the first place. I have no issue with them changing their name at all. But it just seems like they jumped the gun on this. Like how does your team not look into if they are other artists named that??? Blows my mind. And how can you go and post a photo with everybodys management, say we are working and making a deal, then sue them weeks later?? This whole situation is just all kinds of screwed up and this is what I think:
Country Lady A didn’t have to change their name in the first place.
It seems like they literally put two seconds of thought into their decision and made a decision that doesn’t truly help any cause that they are for.
Blues Lady A saw an opportunity and decided to take advantage of it. (also, let’s be honest. Most people would do the EXACT same thing in her shoes.)
I don’t think country Lady A meant any harm by the name change, but this whole thing just CLEARLY shows they didn’t put time and effort into a decision like they say they did.
Whiskey_Pete
July 9, 2020 @ 1:26 pm
White leftist ‘guilt’ strikes again.
Leftist Crystal Ball:
I predict the State of Washington is going to change it’s name because of President George Washington’s ownership of slaves.
Eric
July 9, 2020 @ 6:10 pm
Unlikely.
The “Washington” in Washington actually has a double meaning in that it also refers to one of the original American settlers in the state, who was black (biracial) himself.
He had tried to settle in Oregon, but at the time, Oregon had a complete ban on black settlers. As such, he crossed the Columbia River and helped establish the Washington Territory, which eventually became a state.
Dan in GA
July 9, 2020 @ 1:51 pm
The group could change their name to Lady Antifa. There is a connection between Antifa and the Black Lives Matter organization. Until the organization refutes its alliance with Antifa they have zero credibility in my book. I am talking about the organization, not the cause, but the cause has been hijacked by the collaboration.,
Ron_Jeff
July 10, 2020 @ 4:47 am
So the picture of George Washington on the state flag means nothing? – Unlikely
DG
July 9, 2020 @ 2:15 pm
Wait, so the band who copied a song (without credit) from The Alan Parsons Project now wants to protect something of theirs? Listen to “Eye in the Sky” by APP and “Need You Now” by LA.
Matt
July 9, 2020 @ 11:09 pm
I’d rather not listen to “Eye in the Sky.” Creepy song.
Rickie Jon Connors
July 9, 2020 @ 2:35 pm
I hear Alabama (the band) is considering changing its name to avoid any unintended association with Alabama (the state).
Convict charlie
July 10, 2020 @ 8:31 am
Their original name was wild country
Big Tex
July 9, 2020 @ 2:36 pm
I love it when liberal idiots eat their own.
Rusty W
July 9, 2020 @ 3:03 pm
Lady Antebellum could always change her name to “Lady ?”, but then she’s be infringing on the band “? and the Mysterians”! 🙂 Or what if she’s not really a lady at all? Then she could be “Woman A” or “Woman ?” Or maybe she doesn’t believe in binary genders? Then she could be “The Person of an Unidentified Gender A”? Too bad George Carlin isn’t still around. I’ll be he could come up with some alternative names for the band formerly known as Lady Antebellum!
Hey Arnold
July 9, 2020 @ 3:12 pm
Name change to “Lady Magnolia”
Actually sounds pretty awesome!!!
Hey Arnold
July 9, 2020 @ 9:12 pm
They could font it this way…
Lady magnoliA
– Emphasis on the “A” at the end..
Saving Bro Country Music
July 9, 2020 @ 4:37 pm
On the one hand, so much of this outrage is coming from the fact that people aren’t reading the actual articles.
On the other hand, the media is stirring up the outrage with the way it’s covering the story. Even the notion that they’re “suing her” is misleading without sufficient qualification, as it suggests that they’re looking to stop her from using the name – or seek monetary damage (as many inflammatory Tweets have been suggesting). In reality, they just want a judge to say they can use the name too.
That’s not to say what they’re doing is right or that there’s any optical lens through which it would look acceptable in today’s times. The reality is that they NEVER should have switched to a name any other artist was already using, let alone a smaller independent artist, let alone a black artist in context. The idea that they already informally went by Lady A isn’t really an argument, because if you’re sincerely trying to make a statement about racism, your focus shouldn’t be on picking a name that’s “easy” for the market to recognize out of the gate.
But, ultimately, this is becoming another case of people not letting facts and logic get in the way of a good Tweet.
Bill Scott from CGHR
July 9, 2020 @ 4:55 pm
I hate how certain people and/or publications find a way to blame country music for this decision. As if the “racism” in country music is to blame for this.
RD
July 9, 2020 @ 6:56 pm
Do you know when Greenpeace or a similar group shows a picture of some poor bear or raccoon who has had his head stuck in a discarded bottle? The poor guy on the left looks like he has had his head stuck in a glass pickle jar since 2008 and a fine steward of the earth just relieved him from his misery right before the picture was taken. Bless his heart.
Hey Arnold
July 9, 2020 @ 9:48 pm
And the Grammy collaboration of the year goes to….
“Change Your Name”
Lady A feat. Lady A
Hey Arnold
July 9, 2020 @ 9:53 pm
Lyrics:
Change Your Name
Stay in your Lane
It’s the sign of the times,
So I hope you don’t mind
If I … Change Your Name…
jim bob
July 10, 2020 @ 4:31 pm
they should do a cover of Destiny’s Child Say My Name and donate the proceeds to the out of work tour crew
Paul
July 10, 2020 @ 12:21 am
Apparently private individuals making decisions that are right for them separate from the state is too much for so called “conservatives”
Charlie
July 10, 2020 @ 4:28 am
“a stirring in our hearts and reflection on our own blindspots ”
“make something special and beautiful out of this moment ”
“shared our stories ”
“writing a song about this experience together ”
“living out the calling, educating ourselves, our children ”
“leaning into supporting and empowering our youth ”
When you see even half as many fluff catchphrases used in any kind of statement you can be assured that the statement is the worst kind of bullshit. Egads.
“And does Lady A really think that suing a black woman over trying to change your name from a potentially racially-insensitive term is the way to get on the right side of this issue?”
I hope the end game of the BLM movement is not intended to be ‘black people can’t ever get sued.’ Because to me ‘the optics’ of altering one’s behavior based on race/color is ‘what we are fighting for’ in the first place.
And still and all, this is just behind the scenes bullshit that should stay there. If one of your favorite artists isn’t getting naked and barking at the moon in your living room then just continue being a longtime listener and forget the ridiculous crap that comes out of their mouths when they aren’t singing and dancing like good little monkeys.
Anthony
July 11, 2020 @ 7:56 pm
You’re spot-on in calling out those “fluff catchphrases.” They’re so cringey.
ron_jeff
July 10, 2020 @ 4:50 am
This whole scenario is a spectacular example how of empty virtue signalling and phony “wokeness” does far more harm than good. The name itself, albeit stupid, did no real harm. The name change however will change Anita White’s life and career forever. They should try “Lady Audacity”.
Sereng3ti
July 10, 2020 @ 7:31 am
The real question is still….WHAT DOES DAVE HAYWOOD DO? WHY IS HE IN THE GROUP? His mic isn’t on and they have a guitar player behind him. What’s the point. Just call it Charlie and whats her name.
Country When Country Wasn't Cool
July 10, 2020 @ 7:55 am
They will always be Lady Antebellum…
Atomic Zombie Redneck
July 10, 2020 @ 8:33 am
Good intentions gone awry. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and this will get resolved quickly.
CountryKnight
July 10, 2020 @ 10:41 am
That is why they get for going white guilt on themselves.
You can never appease a progressive enough. Just ask Louis XVI and Nicholas II.They appeased the Jacobins and Bolsheviks and they were entered into the grave.
There is nothing wrong with the word antebellum. Period.
loudmouth soup
July 11, 2020 @ 4:47 pm
I’m waiting to hear what the band has to say next about this whole thing.
trevistrat
July 11, 2020 @ 6:34 pm
What about Darius? They sang backup on his version of “Wagon Wheel”.
Charlotte
July 11, 2020 @ 6:52 pm
LMAO. I have read that even the term “master bedroom” is now off limits. LMAO. You can’t make this shit up.
Bear
July 12, 2020 @ 11:26 pm
I was told Boogaloo is being attacked. That one will be the most fun to watch for me. Because the whites being offended for blacks are now going to battle against the name of a genre of Latino music.
But really though this cancel mob may seem like an on-line majority but in the real world I find these people to largely be cowards on the issues when asked directly about them in a nuanced way/
PennCentral
July 12, 2020 @ 11:31 pm
I’ll put it plain and simple “Lady Antebellum” was just a dopey name to begin with; there are more effective ways of conveying “modern” Southern sensibilities with deeply rooted music traditions. I don’t think it’s appropriate (or fair) to expect all fans to distill the meaning of “Antebellum” since it appears anything from that era is tainted by historical contexts surrounding it. This has nothing to do with PC BS, selfish, entitled and sanctimonious millennials or woke whatever. With that, this mess seems to typify the knee jerk reactions being applied to real problems. True solutions require thought, due diligence and sensitivity. None of this is present in band name changes or society in general. In this rush to make things right, intuitive and creative thinking goes out the window – and then you get this mess. I live in PC HELL and deal with this shortsightedness all the time. It’s not a left or right problem, it’s a stupid problem. There are bigger fish to fry.
(BTW “the Chicks”, another derogatory and degrading name for other reasons; there is no “reclaiming” of “any” offensive epithets).
Sidney Caesar
July 13, 2020 @ 2:31 pm
Change their name to ‘Lady Reconstruction’.
Delores Streisand
July 24, 2020 @ 9:07 pm
Trademark rights are based on use, not registration. Seems the original Lady A was using it first and could likely have the new Lady A’s mark expunged. …if she has the funds to fight, which the new Lady A is likely counting on her not having. New Lady A is in the wrong on this one.
Arthur :Lee Ivester
September 13, 2020 @ 6:53 am
Love their music, hate their childish guilt over a term that is in no way associated with slavery. It simply ” means “before the war”. This is the height of politically correct absurdity. I’ll still enjoy their music, realizing that they are just kids caught up in the moment.
anna tweedy
February 15, 2021 @ 11:50 am
Lady A??? Doesn’t the ‘A’ still stand for Antebellum?? True hypocrites, who do they think they’re fooling? All they did was shorten their name!!
Mitch Callum
April 7, 2021 @ 1:06 pm
Lady Antebellum had received absolutely zero heat or controversy over their name and, in my opinion, was doing nothing more than seeking publicity and attempting to garner favor by creating an issue of something that had been a non-issue up until that point.
The 3 artists that form the band have a net worth of approximately 25 million dollars EACH, so I don’t believe that the 10 million dollar lawsuit is excessive. I think it would be fitting and well deserved.
I also don’t believe for an instant that the members of Lady Antebellum are as “woke” as they claim to be or they would have relented the use of the name the moment they realized what they had done. That would have been the right thing to do.
Furthermore, everyone knows what the “A” stands for. Do they honestly believe they’ve created a valid remedy by simply shortening it?
By the way, “Antebellum” is a Latin term that means “before the war” and primarily refers to architecture. The term wasn’t under fire until the band decided to make an issue of it. Thanks for giving the cancel culture mob more ammo, Lady Antebellum. Here’s a suggestion… How about changing your name to “Lady A-hole” . That would be much more fitting.
Barry L Byers
November 21, 2023 @ 3:35 pm
This is/was Lady Antebellum selling out to the cancel culture. I have since stopped listening to their music. When it comes on, I move on to something else.