The Last Thing We Need To Do Is Handle the Lindsay Ell Controversy “Quietly”
Look, is it possible for us to make too much of this situation over country music artist Lindsey Ell having a radio appearance last Friday canceled on a CBS-owned radio station because she’s in a relationship with rival iHeartMedia on-air personality Bobby Bones? Yes, it is. But I’m not sure we’re there yet. And one of the reasons we’re not there yet is because of the “hush hush” nature with which the radio industry wants to deal with it. Whether in optics or substance, the industry telling Lindsey Ell and members of the media “chill out, we got this” is just the kind of brushing problems under the rug that resulted in the Lindsey Ell incident occurring in the first place, and is the last thing the media should be doing.
As Saving Country Music said in a previous article on the matter, it wasn’t just the Lindsey Ell incident itself, but how it was symptomatic of a much bigger problem with country radio—specifically the cozy relationships and back room deals that govern that media space, the unchecked rivalries and unspoken rules artists are supposed to adhere to, and result in the the best interests of the public and many artists regularly going underserved.
According to Bobby Bones, who addressed the situation on his radio show Monday (6-19), he has a list of 13 country radio program directors that he says he can prove are purposely not support Lindsey Ell because of his personal relationship with her. Whether it’s true or not, it’s certainly not hard to believe, or to believe the scores of people within the industry who used the incident to say similar such scenarios involving artists and rival companies treating artists unfairly happens all the time.
But Country Aircheck, which is one of the periodicals that regularly covers country radio matters and publishes weekly radio charts for MediaBase, says Lindsey Ell and the rest of the media need to move on already, and are seeking opportunity through the incident as opposed to just resolution.
“[It] has become a tale of two stories,” says Chuck Aly, writing for Country Aircheck. “One story is consumer-facing, with lots of chatter, moral outrage and social media buzz. The other is industry-facing and sounds largely like crickets.”
Basically what Country Aircheck is saying here is that since nobody in the industry cares, it shouldn’t be a big story. The media and the public outrage? Well, they’re just neophytes when it comes to these matters, and opportunists.
“There may be a connection between [Bobby] Bones and the [Washington] Post’s [Emily] Yahr, who has written a number of stories about the radio personality over the years. She has also been drawn to controversy…” Country Aircheck‘s Chuck Aly asserts.
Emily Yahr and the Washington Post initially reported how KNCI 105.1 FM in Sacramento admitted to excluding Lindsey Ell from the appearance due to her Bobby Bones relationship. Emily Yahr later followed up with Lindsey Ell in an article posted Monday in the Washington Post. However, no periodical has been as critical of Bobby Bones over the last few years as Saving Country Music, and SCM came to the defense of Bones and Ell over the matter as well, despite concerns if the relationship itself is a conflict of interest. But to accused Emily Yahr of having a bias “connection” with Bobby Bones is a pretty low blow.
Country Aircheck continues, “If the aim is telling stories, generating controversy and seeking ratings and readers, that Ell is being held back because she’s a woman with a visible personal life is certainly the way to go. If the aim is to advance Ell’s career, the story is quietly patching things up and moving on.”
But the problem with these issues plaguing country radio is they’ve been addressed too “quietly” for years now, and any grievances have been met with “crickets” for too long. Are Lindsey Ell and Bobby Bones being opportunist here by making a big deal of this incident? They probably are. But can you blame Lindsey Ell for taking virtually the only opportunity she’s been bestowed to create attention for herself and her music in the greater media, while also championing the very real issues facing female artists right now, or a wacky morning zoo radio show host whose made an entire career out of stirring controversy to gain attention? As for the Washington Post covering the issue, it’s good that the greater media is finally beginning the dedicate ink to the inherent biases plaguing the country radio industry. Perhaps that will finally put enough heat on the industry to address these matters in a substantive manner.
Look, if there wasn’t such insurmountable statistical certitude of the long-standing systemic exclusion of women in the country music radio format stretching out now for many years, then maybe the media wouldn’t be making such a big deal about a canceled Lindsey Ell appearance in a mid-level media market. But when you look at the current radio charts and recognize that there are no women in the Top 20, and only three in the Top 40 (up from two last week), then you don’t need some anecdotal Lindsey Ell account to understand there is a serious problem behind-the-scenes in mainstream country music that must be addressed.
Over two years since TomatoGate, and radio consultant Keith Hill saying point blank, “If you want to make ratings in country radio, take females out,” and the situation and implicit bias against women has only become worse. You don’t want the Washington Post and others exploiting a small story at the expense of the good standing of the country radio industry? Then fix the underlying problem. Get your house in order. And don’t tell people that the same collusive system rigged between record labels and consumer radio will solve it themselves if everyone would just shut the hell up about it already.
June 20, 2017 @ 10:23 am
Country Radio just needs to own up when it f*cks up. This is one of those times. I get defending people but this isn’t one of those situations.
I do kinda find it sad when for women in country music I’m counting songs like “You Look Good” “Craving You” and “The Fighter” as female songs just because one of the vocalists on the song is a female.
See this is what sucks for women in country music besides Carrie Underwood and Kelsea Ballerini. The rest of them struggle. Maren Morris is still nowhere close to the Top 20. Who knows if Carly Pearce will stay around and Lauren Alaina is struggling just to chart. Then you have females like Raelynn and Runaway June who can only get moderate success.
There’s a decent amount of females signed to major labels (or at least have a female in the act) like Tara Thompson, Cam, Maddie and Tae, Mickey Guyton, Clare Dunn, Cassadee Pope, and Danielle Bradbery. But none of them have been heard from at all this year. All we’ve heard from any of them is Danielle Bradbery releasing “Sway” and Maddie & Tae switching labels further delaying new music. Why don’t the labels just send new music from all of them and radio might convert more women if their are more female songs to pick from (that’s why Runaway June and Raelynn saw the minor success that they did).
At least the label is trying to break Lindsay Ell but with her being female and her personal life. She’ll be lucky if she ever hits the Top 40.
June 21, 2017 @ 9:14 am
With the exception of Tammy Wynette, women make crap country music. Autotune, big chest, and tight ass are all you need for a hit. Whose bed have your boots been under, cowboy?
June 21, 2017 @ 9:25 am
Women don’t make crap country music.
June 21, 2017 @ 9:31 am
The men are making plenty of crap “country” music these days, too.
You can’t seriously believe that Tammy Wynette was country music’s sole worthwhile female artist. What about Loretta Lynn, Dolly Parton, Patsy Cline, Emmylou Harris, Trisha Yearwood, Reba McEntire, and Tanya Tucker, just to name a few? Women have made as many worthwhile contributions to the genre as men have. It’s mind-boggling that in this day and age they are being excluded because of their gender.
June 21, 2017 @ 9:39 am
Emotionally, women are geared toward pop-like music. Men and women are different, no matter how much you protest. You named a few decent artists, but I wouldn’t trade all of them for a George Jones or a Merle Haggard. Your statement is entirely false that “Women have made as many worthwhile contributions to the genre as men have.”
June 21, 2017 @ 9:49 am
Here’s an example of a satement that is entirely false:
“With the exception of Tammy Wynette, women make crap country music.”
The problem isn’t that women are geared toward pop-like music; the problem is that country radio is trying to appeal very hard to win over listeners that don’t like country music and doesn’t give a damn about those of us (male or female) who do.
June 21, 2017 @ 10:55 am
Iris DeMent has made some of the best country music I’ve ever heard, as has Allison Krauss, Patty Loveless, and others. If women have not made AS MANY contributions as men over the years, its entirely due to the fact that they’ve been systematically oppressed by the suits in the music industry.
June 21, 2017 @ 3:21 pm
How have they been systematically repressed? Now that music is corporatized to the max that’s all we get to hear. Swifty, and the other teenyboppers. At least we outgrew the phase of women demonstrating their range by being loud as possible (Martina, Faith, Reba). It seems a lot of the people trying to save Country Music, don’t really know what Country Music is. You’re calling new age folk singers country.
June 22, 2017 @ 11:08 pm
I think it is true that female artists tended to produce more pop influenced music in the 1995-2003 time frame, when women led the trend of crossing over to pop radio, and the majority of male artists stuck to more traditional styles. I don’t think this is the case in recent years. Mainstream artists of both genders have abandoned country music traditions and are mostly recording pop/rock material. Males have tended to prefer rock styles and females have tended to prefer pop styles, but in general “country” artists have been releasing music of poor quality that is mostly not country, to country radio.
June 20, 2017 @ 11:14 am
Keith Hill says male artist dominance is a demand-side phenomenon:
“The reason is, mainstream country radio generates more quarter hours from female listeners at the rate of 70 to 75%, and women like male artists.””
Trig, you disagree and have said it’s a supply-side problem:
“by the time radio is receiving female singles, the fix is already in. The problem is with labels and artists selecting singles to serve to country radio”
Frankly, I don’t know who is right. Maybe you both are.
Trig, you say “Nobody is asking for radio quotas, or even 50/50 representation, or even 2 to 1.”
Why not? At least you’d have some baseline data, but it wouldn’t tell you anything. You need to run that experiment for five years say before you can draw any good conclusions.
My crzy theory is that a lot of women like strong and sexy men and feel, mostly in an unspoken way, competitive with other women. When they’re not feeling sisterly sympathy, that is — as they did for Reba.
June 20, 2017 @ 2:46 pm
I hang out with a lot of women like myself: women who grew up in places where country music was part of the culture but no longer live in those places because economic opportunity was only found elsewhere. Although we didn’t want to abandon mainstream country radio–and please note that all my comments here are applicable only to mainstream country radio as I am aware that there are artists in sister genres or who don’t get a lot of radio love who fit the bill–pretty much all of us did ages ago because there were so few adult women singing about the varieties of adult womens’ experiences.
All of us listen to the female giants of country (as well as the women of our childhood–Martina, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Patty Loveless) in heavy rotation because we effing cherish the strength in those songs and in the women who sing them, even if they’re singing about religion or motherhood and we’re atheists or childfree.
The vast majority of women I know do not compete with or undermine other women. They are profoundly aware that their success is due to mentorship and support from women who came before them and are concerned with solidarity and paying it forward. I am in the camp that says that country radio listeners have a marked preference for male singers because the part of the listening audience that wanted to hear women (especially women singing songs for and by women) abandoned the format ages ago.
June 20, 2017 @ 3:04 pm
good stuff merf, glad to hear it
who are the young women artists you hear good things from?
not the “strong women types” but the actual strong women
June 20, 2017 @ 3:39 pm
Well, every woman’s definition of “strong” varies–and her definition will change as her life does–so my preferences cannot be taken as any sort of objective declaration. I’m also no great source of secret recommendations–I’m heavily reliant on SCM and similar outlets to learn about new artists.
That being said, here are three women I really appreciate:
Angaleena Presley–She is NOT younger than I am, but a friend recommended American Middle Class to me after she read something I was writing. I don’t fully agree with the politics of the album, but the way she expresses her anxieties about some familiar old problems is one that seems to resonate with a lot of people in our general age group even if we don’t 100% agree with one another.
Dori Freeman–I am so glad I read about her on SCM! I think her music presents the experience of a region with dignity while also resisting the tactic of lazily casting outsiders to that region as villains. I also think that she hints at some specific risks that women can face (though I wouldn’t say this is a main focus of her lyrics) without being mawkish or exploitative.
Michaela Anne–I am also glad I read about her on SCM! I enjoy her voice and her introspection, and I particularly enjoy her take on the Ramblin’ Man trop in her song “Bright Lights and the Fame.”
June 20, 2017 @ 11:44 am
It’s summer & not much is going on. A little soap-opera-like story is pushed to the front. Lindsay Ell & Bobby Bones. A radio station canceled an appearance because Lindsay Ell is in a relationship with the radio guy. He is working for iHeart Media & the local station is CBS-owned.
Things happen. That’s it.
Next “scandal” please.
It’s not about 2 or 3 female artists on the Billboard charts. It’s not about the Bobby Bones radio show or how Lindsay Ell is treated by country radio.
But the buzz about Lindsay Ell might put her name on the frontpage. Will it help her new single to reach the charts? Maybe. Maybe a top 50 hit with a 16 week run. Like so many other songs right now.
The charts are slow. Even top acts have to fight: Brad Paisley down to #39, Kelsea Ballerini down to #55, Maren Morris, Brett Eldredge… .
Will country radio be better because the playlists are full with bad songs sung by female artists? Pushing shitty songs like “Sway” to the top?
Ell, Bradbery, Dunn, Pope, Alaina, Eden, Raelynn or the next 4th place winner of American Idol: the same look, the same sound, the same voice (well…RaeLynn not so much).
Heavy Rotation: Aaron Copeland – “Rain” / Ray Scott – “Livin’ This Way” / Shelley Minson – “Rockability”
(For fans of rockabilly/50s rock’n’roll: the great album by australian singer Shelley Minson will not disappoint!)
June 20, 2017 @ 12:54 pm
I’m assuming you aren’t the biggest fans of woman in mainstream country try and would like to see them fail I’m assuming.
June 20, 2017 @ 1:29 pm
Finally someone understands! OlaR: you must have an IQ of 160! you sir are a genius!!!
June 20, 2017 @ 11:20 pm
Will country radio be better because the playlists are full with bad songs sung by female artists?
So in the meantime should we accept subpar songs from male counterparts?
June 20, 2017 @ 12:06 pm
What this guy said^!!!^^^^^^. Thatll teach her
June 20, 2017 @ 12:56 pm
What Lindsay Ell or Emily Yahr? Neither of what the women said were wrong.
June 20, 2017 @ 12:47 pm
Everything in country needs an overhaul from radio to their scam award shows where only Miranda and occasionally Carrie get to shine. It still boggles the mind how an artist can be nominated for a Grammy but not a shitty ACM award.
June 20, 2017 @ 1:02 pm
She is with bones and she promtoes her relationship w him and vice versa. can just look at all the canera mugging they do he is a an indusry dick… look at the career crap he has pulled.remember the billboards. I put nothing past him. They did not want to promote him ir help his cause so what
June 20, 2017 @ 1:28 pm
I dare you go to her social media page & find a bunch of stuff about him. You won’t, and sharing your sig other on SM is normal. She doesn’t just bc of this. But god forbid a woman wants a career & a personal life.
June 21, 2017 @ 10:15 pm
It is not a normal relationship, though.
She is dating the most public face of country radio. A genre where she is trying to make a mainstream career in. Bones has the power (unfortunately) to launch songs.
June 23, 2017 @ 5:19 pm
She tours constantly and I assume she’s surrounded by industry peoplel 90% of the time. Some people meet and fall in love by the office water cooler, she met and fell for a radio guy. The hypocrisy is THICK and some of the comments I’ve read make me sick. If the ones who constantly hate on Trigger’s stories involving women were honest they’d say, “I am uncomfortable with successful women because it reminds me that I’m not and then I feel bad about myself. So I’m going to post something about her tits and ass or that she gave 100 BJ’S to get ahead, and hope that no one notices that I’m secretly crying inside.”
June 20, 2017 @ 1:25 pm
Actually, the last thing we need to do is spend our time focusing on an insignificant artist getting an insignificant performance cancelled because of her insignificant relationship with an insignificant loser.
In other words: who cares about this stuff? this is tripe, drivel, and a banality. Radio is obsolete, get with the times, Grandpa. Nobody even notices this stuff, in fact, the people who do notice don’t care because this isn’t happening to an artist anyone pays attention to and honestly even if it is so what?
if it was Isbell, that’s one thing, if it happened to Willie Nelson, sure, okay.
but such a non-noteworthy artist? give me a break I mean this happened to Haggard being on the cover of a magazine and got less attention why are we making a bigger fuss about some chick?
And keep crying about how women aren’t getting represented in Country, kiddos. while us serious people at the grown-up table focus on getting actual musicians and songwriters represented.
We got women already, what did we get?
“Yeah boy”
“We should be friends”
“Girl in a country song”
I say it a lot but we need to fix the stupid problem before we fix the woman problem, otherwise we get stupid songs, just sung by women instead of men.
I’d gladly never hear another woman on the radio if it meant that “24 Frames” “Flagship” “Hudson Commodore” or “Singer of Sad Songs” or “Chiseled in Stone” or “Last Song I’m ever gonna sing” would get a slot on the radio.
because those are good songs.
and the songs on the radio are terrible, even the ones performed by women.
Thank God we had Sturgill Simpson around to stick up for Haggard when he got shafted by gun magazine or whatever it was called.
June 20, 2017 @ 1:55 pm
epic post fuzzy
June 20, 2017 @ 1:55 pm
Couldn’t agree more.
June 20, 2017 @ 2:32 pm
The women of mainstream country are actual musicians. A lot of them are really talented imo. So yeah the people who want more women aren’t immature they are voicing their opinion..
It doesn’t matter if it’s an irrelevant artist or a Top mainstream star. What happened to Lindsay Ell in my opinion was completely unjust and unfair. Good for her for standing up. It doesn’t matter the quality of artist. At the end of the day people are people and personal lives should be taken out of it when playing radio.
June 21, 2017 @ 1:03 pm
“The women of mainstream country are actual musicians. A lot of them are really talented imo”
bwahahahahahaha! sure Ray, I’m sure “yeah boy” and “we should be friends” back up your argument.
I mean I love “Tin Man” but come on, at some point we have to realize that men or women all the songs are still trash. and no Ballerini and Ell and Bradberry are not “real” musicians.
maybe better than Luke Bryan but a small sack of dung is better than a big one.
June 21, 2017 @ 3:29 pm
I’m not in for a constant back and forth. But I’ll say this.
I like artists like Danielle Bradbery, Lindsay Ell and others like Maddie & Tae, Carrie Underwood, Lauren Alaina and I find them real and authentic. If you don’t good for you. But don’t go around Preaching your opinions about mainstream country music as outright facts and treat those that like those artists like fucking idiots. I mean if I didn’t know any better you would wish artists like Luke Bryan and Kelsea Ballerini never existed.
June 20, 2017 @ 3:07 pm
“In other words: who cares about this stuff?”
You do, Fuzzy. That’s why you clicked. That’s why you left a long comment. I’m tired of people saying they “don’t care” just because it’s cool. As soon as people start leaving “don’t care” comments on album reviews for unknown artists that nobody reads and comments on, then I’ll believe that you “don’t care.” But they won’t, because it’s not cool.
Nowhere will you see where I’ve suggested playing shitty songs from women just to change the ratios. Of course quality should be the primary driver of what gets played on the radio. But when you consistently have 0 or 1 woman represented in the Top 20 of a genre, it speaks to a deeper problem, just like the canceled Lindsay Ell appearance.
And I’ve been hearing people preach about how radio is irrelevant for 10 years, but even today with streaming services taking over market share, radio is still the #1 discovery channel for country. It may be irrelevant to you, but that doesn’t mean it still isn’t important in the grand scheme of things. I don’t listen to the fucking radio. But I care about it, because it directly affects the fate of many artists, and the industry at large. You don’t care about it? Then you don’t have to read. There are plenty of other options on this website alone. But don’t act like it’s unimportant, because if it truly was, you wouldn’t even take the time to notice.
June 21, 2017 @ 1:24 am
To paraphrase, sit the EFF down. ???
June 21, 2017 @ 3:23 pm
“But when you consistently have 0 or 1 woman represented in the Top 20 of a genre, it speaks to a deeper problem, just like the canceled Lindsay Ell appearance.”
so the deeper problem here is NOT that Lindsay Ell is terrible, but that she got shafted?
Do ALL terrible artists deserve brownie points for getting kicked off T.V.?
Are we rallying behind the people who failed on the Voice for not being good enough now too?
I don’t care about Lindsay Ell, I’d never heard of her. I CARE about seeing another article about something so insignificant while bigger issues go unaddressed. Merle Haggard getting shafted by gun magazine got no more articles than this did.
Charley Pride got shafted by the awards “tribute” and I’m the only one here outcrying this!
Nobody, not even on SCM even cares that Charley Pride got the short end of the stick but everyone’s crying foul about Bobby Bones’ girlfriend?
“because it (radio) directly affects the fate of many artists, and the industry at large”
see: Chris Stapleton, (noun) artist who proves this quote wrong
see: Sturgill Simpson, (noun) artist who proves this quote wrong.
point is all the good artists are doing fine without radio and the only ones who are impacted by radio are the ones who suck!
Luke Bryan anyone? don’t we want him to fail??
But nope, we care about radio even though it keeps Luke Bryan around.
burn the radio! let it die! tear it down and start over like I’ve been saying for years!
June 21, 2017 @ 3:33 pm
If you don’t care then why comment. If there’s an article I don’t care about, I don’t comment whatsoever.
Some artists do depend on radio whether you want to admit or not. The Lindsay Ell thing is a topic people want to talk about.
Also for the love of every thing good in the world. Stop saying all of your opinions as facts, it makes you look rude and narrow minded.
June 20, 2017 @ 1:31 pm
That article in aircheck was one of the most craven pieces of cya I’ve seen in a long time. The answer to shit like this is never to sweep it under the rug. You want to sweep it under the rug when it makes you uncomfortable and you like the status quo.
June 20, 2017 @ 1:53 pm
I can’t for the life of me figure out the whole women and country thing. It is such bullshit that there aren’t more good female artists on the radio. CMT does it as well with there “next women of country” tag. Half the time it’s for fucking kelsi ballerini. Pisses me the fuck off.
June 20, 2017 @ 2:03 pm
I am not normally drawn to female singers. I think that makes me sexiest, or something. Anyway, I really enjoy Amanda Shires, Miranda Lambert, Kacey Musgraves, and Lee Ann Womack. Other than that, it doesn’t move me. So, I really could care less about genders on the radio. I honestly could care less about changing radio in general. I have Bluetooth, a record player, iTunes Music, Spotify, a CD player, pandora, XM Radio, an extensive vinyl, cassette, and CD collection, a computer, an awesome local radio station that plays old country, iPhone, iPad, iPod….phew….and Trigger to help me discover new music. I really don’t care what plays on the radio. I probably wouldn’t listen to it anyway.
Speaking of new music, I am really surprise that this guy is not getting more press, but I urge you guys to check out Ben Bostick…He is awesome!
June 20, 2017 @ 2:54 pm
I wonder if the women of yesterday would get air play today? There were many women that made good music and made a good living selling that music. I wonder if that has anything to do with it? The ones I hear remind me of the male singers of today. They mostly sound alike, kinda nasally and weepy and little girlish. Admittedly I don’t keep up with radio, or ‘new’ music but I have made an attempt at listening to one or a dozen reviewed on SCM….. I’m still waiting on a Crystal Bowersox review. I do like her.
June 20, 2017 @ 5:16 pm
This type of thing happens to male artists all the time. If a male artist shows up in a city and does a promo with a competing radio or gives them more love, the other station will blackball them or demand some love spread their way. Everyone knows that radio folks are more shady than music biz folks. Have you ever been to a Country Radio Seminar in Nashville? I feel like I need a shower after being around those douchebags. And by the way, this is all very good publicity for Lindsay Ell. I’ve spent time with her and she has her eye on the fame prize. BTW, how many of you knew who she was until this? See what I mean. Also, why doesn’t anyone talk about hot girls fucking their way to the top more. It happens all over music row. You see some ugly ass A&R guy, hit songwriter, producer with a smoking hot girl, usually a singer. Everyone knows the deal, these this girl wouldn’t give Bobby Bones a second look in the real world. Why doesn’t anyone talk about that more?
June 20, 2017 @ 5:34 pm
I knew her before. Her songs “By The Way” and “Tripping On Us” were pop country jams when they were on the chart.
June 20, 2017 @ 8:47 pm
I knew her before…and you say “she has her eye on the fame prize” as if it’s a crime to have a dream. But it’s not even about Lindsey Ell anymore, as the article pointed out, it’s evidence of a much bigger problem, as is Country Aircheck’s desire to sweep it carefully under the rug.
June 21, 2017 @ 6:56 am
It’s not a crime to have a dream. It’s the way that Lindsay Eli is supposedly going about this that’s the problem. This sounds like she’s in this for the fame and the prizes in and of themselves, and that can trip her up badly. Linda Ronstadt said something about this three years ago: “If you’re working for prizes, you’re in trouble.” And if Lindsay is doing this for the fame and the prizes at this point, then she is indeed already in trouble (IMHO).
June 21, 2017 @ 1:11 am
A woman with ambition? Wow! What a concept! ? Unfortunately, “men” like Hairy Ass Jessie equate passion for ho-ing, hence the circle of freaking insanity for female artists in this industry.
June 21, 2017 @ 6:55 am
And she misses her producer slash boyfriend who seduced her, er produced her a hit.
June 22, 2017 @ 3:12 pm
Where’s the proof that happened?
June 22, 2017 @ 3:46 pm
Those are lyrics to Dale Watson’s “Country My Ass.”
June 20, 2017 @ 8:42 pm
Okay, I’ve heard of her now. Mission accomplished.
June 20, 2017 @ 8:43 pm
Ive gotten to the point where I basically just make my own radio by making a playlist of songs I want to hear on a regular basis and shuffling them.. guess you could say I’ve given up on the radio. Screw the bias crap.
June 21, 2017 @ 7:02 am
I haven’t listened to country radio since probably 2003. I don’t listen to the pop station so needless to say I don’t listen to the local country station either. As for Lindsay Ell, I don’t doubt she’s LOVING this attention she’s getting.
June 20, 2017 @ 9:06 pm
Can’t bring myself to care one bit about this. Lindsey Ell is terrible. Not surprised to find out she’s dating Bobby Bones. She is pretty unknown, yet completely overrated.
June 20, 2017 @ 11:06 pm
” Then fix the underlying problem. Get your house in order. And don’t tell people that the same collusive system rigged between record labels and consumer radio will solve it themselves if everyone would just shut the hell up about it already.”
Damnit Trigger, you hit the nail on the friggin HEAD with this one. It’s high time for the woman in this industry with *GASP* opinions to be heard without fear of irreversible career damage and repercussions. I hope this story continues to bubble and spread like wildfire till it opens a Pandoras box chock FULL of bullshit double standards, to fan the flames.
June 21, 2017 @ 7:27 am
There should be more women on the radio but only women that I approve of and Lindsay is fucking her way to the top so who cares.
And we wonder why women have a tough time in country music.
June 21, 2017 @ 9:17 am
Right–if I were being uncharitable, I would say this “it’s only worth supporting women on mainstream radio if I deem them good enough” line of argument might be a favorite of people who don’t really see a problem, but don’t want to deal with the social backlash that would come from admitting that.
But again, that’s only if I were being uncharitable.
And no artist should be shamed into silence about the exploitative practices of the music or film industries just because (s)he isn’t a super talent or because (s)he may have appeared willing to go along with things, at least for a time. The artists are facing a lot of coercive power here, and that has to be taken into account.
June 21, 2017 @ 3:28 pm
so… we should support women who can’t sing now because by only supporting women who can sing we’re sexists?
newsflash kiddos this is the music industry. M U S I C.
can’t sing or play? get the hell out.
they don’t let welders work if they can’t weld. the don’t let architects work if they can’t build.
even in Rudolph all the useless toys got carted off and away since they couldn’t do what they were supposed to.
I ONLY support ACTUAL musicians.
and I will only support any artist, male or female, who is good enough to be supported. and that means Lindsay Ell, Maddie and Tae, Miranda Lambert and William Michael Morgan are going to have to be left behind, because I don’t have enough dollars to buy anything less than the best.
June 21, 2017 @ 3:57 pm
“can’t sing or play? get the hell out.”
In fairness to Lindsay, she can play. Her music isn’t country, not in the least bit. But she has some decent guitar chops.
June 21, 2017 @ 4:56 pm
then that’s one thing, I mean yeah I’ll tolerate some of brad paisley because he at least puts in a good effort. “last time for everything” was exactly what I expect from him, yeah he can play real well and sometimes sounds pretty country but at least he cares about his craft.
I’ll tolerate Hunter Hayes and Justin Moore even. not perfect Country but they get it sometimes and at least they’re half decent musicians and usually take the time to pick a few half decent songs.
Even Jerrod Niemann got a good one with “Blue Bandana”
June 21, 2017 @ 8:47 pm
I’m replying here because for some reason I’m not able to reply directly to your 4:56 comment.
Your position seems to be that women artists have no right to complain about their lot unless they are the best of the best and satisfy the high standards you outline in your 3:28 post. Yet suddenly at 4:56 you’re suddenly willing to tolerate artists who can manage “a good effort” or “sometimes sounds pretty country” or are “half decent musicians and usually take the time to pick a few half decent songs.”
Oddly enough, all these artists that you’re willing to excuse and tolerate despite their failure to meet the high standards that you suggest justify the lack of women on mainstream country radio are men. I’m about as shocked as Captain Renault.
(I certainly hope you’re not going to suggest that there are NO women who put in a good effort or have decent musicianship or pick halfway decent songs…)
June 22, 2017 @ 4:08 am
if I’ve been inconsistent I’m sorry.
let me clarify.
I don’t own anything by Brad Paisley, yeah I like a few of his songs, and if he comes on the radio or plays the Opry I’m not mad, offended, or worried about the future of Country Music.
likewise for WMM.
I just mentioned the Jerrod Niemann Justin Moore thing because they’ve done a couple songs I really like, even though both of them may already have washed out I haven’t heard anything new out of either recently.
when Luke Bryan is on the radio, or gets to play the Opry, I have a serious problem and anger issues, because that’s not okay.
that’s why while I don’t own any Lambert (except that Pistol Annies material) I give her a bit of a pass.
Am I critical of her constantly doing angry woman songs? yeah, because once was enough. but Tin Man is really good.
do I think she’s anywhere near the level of patsy loretta and lorrie morgan? not even close.
why would I buy a Miranda Lambert album when I have so much Lorrie Morgan?
it’s like buying a Kia Rio when you already have two Mercedez’. just kinda ridiculous.
but if it’s Miranda on the radio I don’t mind because compared to Ballerini and Bradberry she’s half decent anyway.
my music on the drive to work the last couple days was Flatt and Scruggs, Roger Miller, Roy Clark, the Clancy Brothers, Jason Isbell, Marty Stuart, Lorrie Morgan, the Monkees, Rin Blackbird, and Connie Smith, and Reno and Smiley.
good music is good music regardless of who sings it. I have yet to consciously decide I wanna hear Brad Paisley while driving, even though I don’t mind hearing him AT work too much (my new job keeps the radio on, although that’s not why I want a new job I’m just sick of the drama) likewise I don’t mind hearing that Justin Moore song, it’s really good I bought the album because of that one song but if he never has another album I couldn’t care less I mean yeah it’s got a few good songs but it doesn’t justify a second album. Filler material never justifies anything. it just means they took a clunker to fill space. ask Albert.
June 21, 2017 @ 7:36 am
He has a list of 13 people?
That is kinda weird of itself.
June 21, 2017 @ 4:34 pm
Lindsey Eli is in a tough spot now. If Bobby Bones tries to put her on his show, it’ll be favoritism. Everybody involved should have just shut their mouths. This type of press for someone who isn’t a household name (perhaps she is and I apologize if she is but I’ve never heard of her) creates skepticism.
June 21, 2017 @ 10:06 pm
Crappy music by female country singers is not superior to crappy music by male country singers.
Here is the thing. People want more female singers just because they are female. That is fine even though the free market should determine what music is played instead of a quota. But the sad truth is, forcibly adding more female singers will just lead to Taylor Swift 2.0 and Raelynn. Because we all know Maddie and Tae aren’t replacing Dan + Shay and Mickey Guyton isn’t replacing Cole Swindell. That is not solving the ultimate problem of quality at the radio dial.
“Yeah Boy” and “Hey Girl” are the heads and tails of the same coin.
June 22, 2017 @ 4:11 am
“forcibly adding more female singers will just lead to Taylor Swift 2.0 and Raelynn. Because we all know Maddie and Tae aren’t replacing Dan + Shay and Mickey Guyton isn’t replacing Cole Swindell.”
AMEN!!!!
watch, in two weeks there will be a review of a song by a female on here and the song will suck because we have women but not quality.
I’d rather have a sausage party of Isbell, Brother Brothers, Roo Arcus and Kenny Price than hear any of today’s women from ‘Country.” except the ones who are always getting labelled Americana like Dori Freeman who needs to hurry up and and put out new music or Roseanne Cash or I guess they call Emmylou Harris Americana too what’s up with that???
June 22, 2017 @ 9:32 am
First off, thanks for clarifying your comments about artists on the radio (@4:08)–for whatever reason your new posts in that discussion thread don’t offer a reply option so I can’t reply to that post directly.
Would you be willing to entertain the hypothesis–which I think is at least plausible–that artists like Freeman and Harris ally themselves with the Americana genre (or are advised to by professionals who know the music landscape) in part because mainstream country appears so indifferent, or even hostile, to women artists?
I think your comment about Lambert’s music (and I agree with 90% of your assessment of her, FWIW) really underscores why it is such a problem when there are so few women who get attention in mainstream country. I don’t think it’s fair to expect Miranda Lambert to be every kind of woman in order to satisfy the understandable demands of listeners. Miranda Lambert is who she is. Imagine a Bizarro World in which the gender ratios were reversed and Vince Gill was one of the few men getting support on mainstream radio. I think it would be unfair to say, “Vince Gill needs to do a song that’s critical of religion because we’re not hearing that perspective.” Being critical of religion is not who Vince Gill is. The obvious solution is to get more men on the radio–if I can listen to men sing about how they struggle with faith or have even abandoned it (and I *do* think gender is important here–faith, family, laboring, and other key themes of the country genre are experienced differently by men and women) then I can either choose to leave Vince Gill to the people that he speaks to OR I can better appreciate him as one of many voices.
I don’t know how we get to that point with respect to women artists though. Of course I don’t want “more women in country” to mean “more Kelsea Ballerini clones.” However, mainstream country’s almost got itself in a chicken and egg situation. Which will come first: the talented women who understand the genre, or the environment that is open to women performers even if those performers are just as bad as the worst of the men? Or is there some other way that I’m not seeing?
June 22, 2017 @ 11:24 am
I feel like Americana doesn’t have it’s own rules really yet, and while the new Secret Sisters album I just commented on might be what I expect Americana to sound like, the rules are so ill-defined that they’ve adopted so many artists who loosely sound similar I mean how do Emmylou, Loretta and Marty Stuart fit in alongside John Moreland and Isbell?
but because Americana is small and lacks a true identity they take on a lot of Country’s cast off performers. I mean if I were Dori Freeman (and after I had found Nemo) and I called it Country and the Americana awards called yeah I’d jump aboard. maybe leave something in the liner of my next album how I feel about my material but most people would do that. Strugill Simpson when I saw him live complained about the Grammy’s calling him Americana.
“you can’t hear it on the radio but I was up for a Grammy and they called it Americana so what the hell do I know” was more or less what he said.
I think the solution is that eventually the radio bubble bursts and new artists of all shapes emerge using new mediums and old and none of the hubbub matters anymore because the bubble burst.
June 22, 2017 @ 5:03 am
Do you ever consider people might want female singers because they connect to their music and like their music more than males.
June 22, 2017 @ 12:09 pm
Yet again CountryKnight and FuzzyTwoShirts, NOBODY is saying here that we should replace crappy music from male artists with crappy music from female artists just because they’re female. You are putting those words in our mouths to make us look like idiots, and frankly, it’s pissing me off, especially after I personally have come out against this very practice in print multiple times.
Do you know what a straw man is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
That is what you’re doing here.
Stop it.
June 26, 2017 @ 2:01 pm
C’mon Trigger.
There have been people who have argued for more female singers just because they are female. You haven’t. Heck, you have written an article about it. I respect your stance on this and agree with it. But to act like people in these comment threads over the years haven’t advocated for that is wrong.
June 26, 2017 @ 3:51 pm
I’m not saying there may have not been one or two, but I don’t want to be yoked with that opinion, nor should the majority of commenters here be.
June 26, 2017 @ 5:46 pm
I would agree with that sentiment except I never claimed to speak for the SCM community.
June 26, 2017 @ 3:53 pm
Does it ever occur to anybody that maybe they just like women in country music more than men and connect with their music more?
It’s not a difficult concept
June 26, 2017 @ 5:48 pm
Yes. It has.
Did it ever occur to you that you are channeling a broken record by posting the same comment over and over again?
We get it already.
June 21, 2017 @ 10:13 pm
If you date the Devil, the flames will burn you.
She is dating a high profile DJ in the genre that she is trying to make her career in. Like it or not, it is not a relationship that will remain “private.”
July 23, 2017 @ 3:59 am
True! She should’ve suspected that something like this would happen anyway. Also, it is not like they are being discreet about their relationship either. Part of being famous is having people know about your personal life. She’s a talented instrumentalist but her songs are average. Conviently this happens before her new album comes out .
June 24, 2017 @ 2:52 am
Instead of trying to argue like everyone here, im just gonna say that id love to shoot some goofy juice into her hoo ha.
June 25, 2017 @ 1:27 pm
Lindsay Ell can write, sing, and play. She’s on the road right now with Brad Paisley, Dustin Lynch and Chase Bryant. She’s playing a 20 minute slot that I wish had gone way longer while posers Bryant and Lynch needed their lame ass pandering sets cut short. When she played Whisky Lullaby with Paisley and they went into extended guitar solos at the end it was the highlight of the night.
I don’t care what gender she is or who she’s dating, she’s got the chops and the talent, and doesn’t pander to the audience, which means she’s not going to get anywhere in current country music.
June 27, 2017 @ 6:15 am
Mainstream country radio. Why in the world of God is anybody still going here to find good music. With all the good independent small radio stations online, good streaming audio and video, good festivals and still some good clubs and venues, why go mainstream? Good music and artists for the most part, have given up on mainstream radio for a decade or more. That goes for the big mainstream labels also. Artists have found better and more lucrative ways to reach their audience. Good music, be it country, bluegrass, americana, alt.country, conjunto, cajun, zydeco, all sub genres of blues, basically any good roots music, cannot be found on mainstream radio. You have to put just a little effort into finding it, but come on, anyone can google.
You don’t have to consume the slop that mainstream radio and Walmart is serving up.
“There’s only two kinds of music: the blues and zippity doo-dah.”
-Townes Van Zandt
June 27, 2017 @ 10:09 am
“Why in the world of God is anybody still going here to find good music.”
Because they don’t know they have better alternatives. That’s why it’s imperative to exposes the ills of the format to hopefully turn more people on to better music.
July 9, 2017 @ 2:05 pm
Women make crap country music?
Dolly Parton, Patty Loveless, Loretta Lynn, Allison Moorer, Shelby Lynne, Trisha Yearwood(while not traditional and she has said so from her own stage – she can sing live and has a lotta great songs), Ashley Monroe(and I love the Pistol Annies myself, great, funny songs and amazing harmonies), Holly Dunn, Terri Clark, and tho’ I’m not a super big fan of theirs : the dixie chicks. They had some very string based songs, like Sin Wagon and hilarious songs like : Good Bye Earl. Then there is Martina McBride, amazing voice but she went poppier and poppier as time went on, but I have heard her live and she is top notch, amazing. Roseanne Cash, Sara Evans… and the fairly unknown but amazing singer Mandy Barnett.
Women have been involved with all aspects of recorded country music since the beginning, starting with the original Carter Family, if not before then.