Hey Tom Petty, So How About That Chris Stapleton Collaboration?
Heading into the final couple of months of 2015, there may not be a hotter name in country music among critics and distinguished listeners than Chris Stapleton. The long wait for his often-rumored and much-delayed debut album was finally rewarded on May 5th with the release of the Dave Cobb-produced Traveller, and fans were not let down. The album hit #1 on the Country Albums chart, and at the CMA Awards on November 4th, Chris Stapleton will be up for Album of the Year, Male Vocalist of the Year, and New Artist of the Year. Though these awards feel like an outside chance for Stapleton, with the respect he’s earned inside and outside the industry over the years, he’s not a bad pick as a Dark Horse. Meanwhile as media outlets begin to compile their end-of-year “Best Of” lists, you can expect to see Stapleton’s name right near the top.
Even though Stapleton has yet to become a huge commercial success, the secret is certainly out. Before 2015, “Chris Stapleton” was only a name known to industry insiders and certified country music nerds who either knew him from his days with the bluegrass outfit The SteelDrivers, or as a songwriter for some of the biggest names in the industry who happened to play solo gigs when he got a chance. Now the cat’s out of the bag, and Chris Stapleton is one of the leaders of a surging country music paradigm shift.
But in the summer of 2013, that wasn’t exactly the case. But that didn’t stop Stapleton from trying to speak up for country music.
At this point, it’s a common occurrence for an artist, country or otherwise, to come out with a quote significantly criticizing the quality or direction of the country genre. It happens with such a regular frequency these days that these quotes tend to blend into the background. But that wasn’t always the case.
On August 5th, 2013, in an interview with Rolling Stone‘s Patrick Doyle, legendary rocker Tom Petty laid down some pretty serious criticism of modern country, and it was taken like a shot across the bow of Music Row. And since Petty was not a country artist, the reach of his megaphone transcended genre, and opened up a much needed discussion in the midst of the advent and metastasizing of Bro-Country. Tom Petty’s quotes became known as his “Bad rock with a fiddle” quotes.
Well, yeah I mean, I hate to generalize on a whole genre of music, but it does seem to be missing that magic element that it used to have. I’m sure there are people playing country that are doing it well, but they’re just not getting the attention that the shittier stuff gets. But that’s the way it always is, isn’t it?
But I hope that kind of swings around back to where it should be. But I don’t really see a George Jones or a Buck Owens or any anything that fresh coming up. I’m sure there must be somebody doing it, but most of that music reminds me of rock in the middle Eighties where it became incredibly generic and relied on videos. I don’t want to rail on about country because I don’t really know much about it, but that’s what it seems like to me.
You have to appreciate, these quotes set the internet on fire at the time, and launched what Saving Country Music later characterized as the Season of Discontent in country music. Florida Georgia Line jibbed back, “U think we care?” in response to Petty’s comments, Gary Allan chided that Carrie Underwood and Taylor Swift were pop artists making a living in the country genre, and Zac Brown called Luke Bryan’s “That’s My Kind of Night” the “worst song ever.” And that was just the start. It was one huge country music brewhaha that lasted all the way into the late fall to the point where all the beefing in country music was comedic fodder for Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood during the CMA’s opening monologue that November.
But it all started with Tom Petty, and if you read beyond the criticism of country, it was almost like he was searching for a new generation of artists that would embody the old spirit of country music. He knew they were out there, he just didn’t know who they were, or where to look for them. “I’m sure there are people playing country that are doing it well,” he said. “I’m sure there must be somebody doing it.”
And in the midst of the firestorm that erupted after Tom Petty’s comments, semi-known songwriter Chris Stapleton wrote an open letter to Petty that enjoyed it’s own little viral sensation as part of the bigger interest in the Petty comments.
Dear Tom Petty,
I think it’s safe to say most modern country artists, including me, would list you as an influence. Your recent comments lead me to believe you see room for improvement in modern country music. I, for one, would like to see you put you money where your mouth is in a tangible way. So, in the interest of making Country music less “stty” (your words), I suggest a collaboration. I’m extending an open invitation to you to write songs with me, produce recordings on or with me, or otherwise participate in whatever way you see fit in my little corner of music. In the event that you actually read this and are interested, look me up.
Sincerely,
Chris Stapleton
At the time, some criticized Stapleton for what they perceived as defending bad country music, which would only make sense seeing how he was a songwriter for some of the very artists Tom Petty was criticizing. But instead, Stapleton actually read what Petty said, and saw he was looking for the people who could help country “kind of swing(s) around back to where it should be.” Tom Petty was likes scores of disenfranchised country fans who knew what was happening was wrong, but didn’t know where to turn for an alternative. Stapleton wanted to show Petty that not all modern country music was crap, and do so by collaborating with the Rock and Roll Hall of Famer. And by the way, this wasn’t being overly ambitious for Stapleton. At that time, he’d already written songs for George Strait and Adele.
In all likelihood, a Tom Petty / Chris Stapleton may never happen. But looking back now at Tom Petty’s comments two years ago, and Stapleton’s reaction and offer to Petty, it gives you a clear insight into how things are changing in country music, even amidst the incredible dreck that seems to get worse in the mainstream by the minute. In August of 2013, Chris Stapleton was a songwriter with a cult following. Today, he’s a nominee for the CMA Album of the Year, Male Vocalist of the Year, and New Artist of the Year. Tom Petty may have never found Stapleton, or read his humble little letter, but country music found “people playing country that are doing it well” to use Petty’s words. Petty was “sure there must be somebody doing it.”
Yes, and his name was Chris Stapleton.
And Sturgill Simpson, and Jason Isbell, and Whitey Morgan, and Kacey Musgraves, and Mo Pitney, and of all people, even Eagles drummer Don Henley. And there’s many many more where they came from, and slowly but surely the rest of the music world is finding them.
October 28, 2015 @ 9:10 am
Saw Stapleton last week in Katy, TX. Easily one of the best shows I’ve seen. Dude just has power behind his voice that few others can even come close to, and no one on mainstream can fathom.
October 28, 2015 @ 6:26 pm
Agreed Same here, saw him in New Braunfels sat night and was pretty amazed at how well he can sing and how well he can play the guitar. Not that I thought he was bad to begin with, but I did not hear that on his albums or at least I didn’t hear it until seeing him live. He is definitely making a wave in music that can’t be ignored. Yes, he has been around for some time but he’s reving up at the right time.
I know I’ve said it in other post, but It’s great to see these guys killing it, doing it their way. I can say with all the crap music out there, this makes me happy to be a country music fan. That’s like being an Astros fan, it’s been hard to cheer for the home team for quite some time. This movement or whatever you want to call it can’t be ignored. If you can, make it out to see this guy. He wont be playing the dive bars much longer.
October 29, 2015 @ 3:58 pm
I wanted to see that show. My brother lives in nearby San Marcos, but I was not where I could get free.
October 29, 2015 @ 7:44 pm
River Road said they are going to do a make up show for the ones that couldn’t make it out do to the weather. Keep you eyes out for the date.
October 28, 2015 @ 9:21 am
Yes , Trigger . People who care enough ARE, indeed, finding the good stuff …the real stuff . I think they are realizing firstly that it DOES still exist ( that in itself is a good start , of course) and then they are spreading the word and seeking it out . I think Henley’s new record , as you point out , has been a huge help in promoting ‘ the cause ‘. I hear a lot of people talking about it . Yes ..many are or were Eagles fans …but I’m impressed by the younger players I work with or hear from through lessons , writing , etc, and the aspects of his record they seem to really appreciate ….the writing and his voice . And ain’t that really what it’s all about ?
October 28, 2015 @ 11:07 am
That’s really heartening to hear.
I went round and round with a mainstream country fan the other day who told me that the radio and the terrible artists are just playing to what people want to hear. But I have suspected that many of them WOULD love Sturgill Simpson, Christ Stapleton, etc. they just don’t even know it’s an option. I would know way less good music if I hadn’t stumbled onto this site.
I have a small hope that Stapleton is going to be the one who finally showsat least a decent amount of mainstream country fans that there is more to country music.
October 28, 2015 @ 11:09 am
Dylan Scott and William Michael Morgan are also excellent modern country artists that sound almost neo-traditional……but guess what….neither of them are getting added at radio or getting airplay…just like Mo Pitney….too country for modern day pop country radio
October 28, 2015 @ 11:38 am
They’re really trying to push William Michael Morgan to radio and the next few weeks will be critical to see if his single sticks. The truth is, any traction on radio for these guys is a positive. But Music Row’s major labels have to get over the idea that radio is the only way to success. Jason Isbell proved you don;t need it. And remember, at Isbell’s recent run of shows at the Ryman, Stapelton opened for him.
October 28, 2015 @ 1:37 pm
I’m so upset I couldn’t see them in Atlanta the weekend of the 18th.
October 28, 2015 @ 2:45 pm
What about Dylan Scott makes you think neotraditional? Most of that dudes music trends more pop than anything..
October 28, 2015 @ 3:26 pm
I agree on WMM. The dude covered aSam Hunt song and made it country! That isn’t an easy task!
October 28, 2015 @ 11:25 am
I go back and forth on Stapleton. I loved the Steeldrivers. Meh on Jompson Brothers (it just never went anywhere). Saddened when I heard his first single. Enjoyed his LP a lot. Cringe everytime I see his name attached to songs recorded by others because 90% of the time its quite bro-esque.
October 28, 2015 @ 1:51 pm
Gotta make money, not tough to write a bro tune and send it to Luke to take to number one. Especially a hot writer like Stapleton. Probably made more off the song he sent to Luke than anything he had done previously, or since for that matter.
October 28, 2015 @ 11:47 am
I can add that I have read in interviews that Stapleton is a huge fan of Petty’s album “Wildflowers,” and performs a cover of “You don’t know how it feels” at live shows, including at the show I attended last month, where Stapleton opened for the legendary Alan Jackson. I will also add that like his fellow east Kentuckian Sturgill Simpson, Stapleton very recently performed a couple of shows as an opening act for Jason Isbell (Stapleton reportedly had Cobb on stage playing acoustic guitar during his set at the Ryman, and Isbell had John Prine as a guest) . Regardless of anyone’s opinions of any of these guys individually (and my own happens to be positive for all), it is interesting to see the “Cobb guys” almost forming a sort of team ? I’ll also add here that Isbell has known the current lead of the Steeldrivers (Gary Nichols, who joined the group after Stapleton departed in 2010) since childhood, and contributed to their recent bluegrass album. It’s a small world, sometimes…
While on the subject of rural east Kentucky, I was just thinking about how many people from that rather small, sparsely populated area have made an impact in country music over the years – Loretta Lynn and family,Patty Loveless,Dwight Yoakam, Ricky Skaggs, etc. Magic coal dust or something ?
October 28, 2015 @ 12:52 pm
The grass is blue. Great music from Kentucky has been going on for years, and I suspect it’s not going to end anytime soon.
October 28, 2015 @ 1:09 pm
That is true. It just kinda surprised me when I looked on a map and saw how close those towns are to each other.
Isbell’s Shoals area of Alabama certainly has quite the history, too – maybe not so much for country as such as for a “country soul” sound influencing a variety of genres…
October 28, 2015 @ 11:05 pm
Don’t forget Gary Stewart.
(From Jenkins, Kentucky.)
October 29, 2015 @ 3:55 pm
The late Keith Whitley is yet another. The Cyruses also have Skaggs kin in that part of the state. As far as I know, I am only very distant kin to Stapleton and even more distant to Loretta and Crystal.
October 28, 2015 @ 2:17 pm
Yes, Dave Cobb was in Chris’ band when he was the opener for Jason the other night at The Ryman, Chris also had Mickey Raphael (Willie Nelson) on harmonica and Waylon’s steel player (sorry I missed his name).
Then Danny Clinch on harmonica for a couple of Jason’s songs and John Prine as a special surprise guest.
It definitely did not suck.
October 28, 2015 @ 9:30 pm
While Dave Cobb has produced some of the best country/Americana records out recently, he’s pretty diverse. He also produced the latest Europe (yes, that Europe, “The Final Countdown” Europe) record, which is quite good. He’s also worked with Rival Sons.
If you see Dave Cobb’s name associated with a project, it’s a pretty good bet that it’s going to be quality.
October 28, 2015 @ 11:47 am
If he doesn’t do the collaboration with Stapleton, I’ll give it hell trying to. I’ll probably try anyway. Tom is a great country artist when he wants to be, probably because he’s from “old” Florida. I tend to think he was equally an outlaw *cringe* in his efforts to stick it to the man as any Waylon Jennings type.
October 28, 2015 @ 12:42 pm
Let’s give him best album (you can vote once every hour :/ )
http://tasteofcountry.com/album-of-the-year-2015-fan-choice-awards/
October 28, 2015 @ 2:10 pm
Hey Kyle
I actually had a two hour Twitter debate with Chris a week after this blew up (for some reason he decided to reply to my tweet)…he was very upfront about the current state of pop country, songwriting and earning a living, and the state of country music as a whole, even though I disagreed with his assertion that Music Row wouldn’t have turned a blind eye to songs like “Merrygoround” he was a very open and down to earth guy.
October 28, 2015 @ 2:38 pm
Interesting, I would have loved to have seen that exchange. I do remember looking into some of the discussion around his letter to Tom, but can’t remember much of the specifics. There were so many tentacles and tangents to that story.
October 28, 2015 @ 2:36 pm
I really want to like this guy but to me he just seems like he’s playing the part and riding a wave started by someone who we all know will never get credit for it. Does anyone else find it suspicious/interesting how the CMA’s snubbed Sturgill Simpson completely last year despite having the best and most talked about Country album of the year and now this year they are rolling out the red carpet for Stapleton’s album? Also it will be interesting to see if Stapleton’s album gets a grammy nomination…if it does I bet it wont be in the Americana category.
Maybe Sturgill should have written a bunch of bro-country songs for all the music row faces first before releasing his album on a major Nashville label. Obviously it pays off big time to be “in the club” in Nashville.
October 28, 2015 @ 4:22 pm
There is three rounds of voting for the cma awards. Only members of the cma are allowed to vote. There is about 7,500 of them in total. Doesn’t matter how talked about the album was by most folks he was an indie artist. There is a lot of block voting going on. Have to be considered an industry professional, or making money off country music- pay $100, have three references who are already members, and get accepted. He vary well may have been in the running in the second round but never made the final vote- we will never know. Pretty sure the first round is open ended in the category, second goes down to 10, and third is your vote on the final 5.
October 28, 2015 @ 8:28 pm
Sturgill Simpson had a 0% chance of being nominated for anything. The CMA is a trade organization that represents Nashville’s major labels. Stapleton is on a major label, Sturgill was not (though he is now). It’s the same reason Stapleton was NOT considered for the Americana Music Awards and Sturgill Simpson was. When Sturgill releases his next record, he may receive a nomination, we’ll see.
October 28, 2015 @ 5:10 pm
YES, people find the good stuff. Kacey Musgraves just played the Apollo Theater in New York City this last Saturday night. You may think this is nothing….but she is the first country artist to play the Apollo Theater. AND SHE SOLD IT OUT!!!! She made history in New York. A female country artist selling out the Apollo Theater is BIG. The audience was mixed, old, young, black, white, gay, straight. Everyone was singing every line to every song. It was an amazing night.
October 28, 2015 @ 5:42 pm
I’d be embarassed to be Florida Georgia Line for every reason imaginable, but mostly because Tom Petty thinks my music is shitty.
Tom Petty rules.
October 28, 2015 @ 7:22 pm
I actually heard “Nobody to Blame” played on the god-awful country station I was subjected to the other day.
October 29, 2015 @ 8:19 am
Luke Bell should be thrown in there for good measure
October 29, 2015 @ 8:55 am
Can you compile a list of songs he’s written, and who performed them? (I know that’s asking a lot) Allmusic.com isn’t much help when it comes to these things. Unless you know of a better place to look?
November 1, 2015 @ 11:37 am
Search for his name on the ASCAP site and select the result “Stapleton Christopher Alvin”:
https://www.ascap.com/Home/ace-title-search/index.aspx
October 29, 2015 @ 1:31 pm
I saw Stapleton last thursday at gas monkey in Dallas. He played an incredible cover of you don’t know how it feels. Switched it to a blues shuffle rhythm. I wonder after reading this if he’s only recently added that song to his live shows in response to Petty’s comments.
November 1, 2015 @ 6:17 am
Petty made those comments and then Sturgill Simpson came along.
August 10, 2024 @ 2:05 pm
And lo, it came to pass that Mike Campbell wrote Arkansas with the boy Stapleton and all was forgiven. I missed this at the time (I hadn’t even begun reading the site!) so thanks for referencing this in or underneath the recent post. Big up Stapleton!