Once And For All: SPOKEN WORD IS NOT RAP!
Charlie Daniels’ “Devil Went Down to Georgia” was not a rap song, as Wyclef Jean and many others will tell you.
Jimmy Dean’s “Big Bad John” was not a rap song, as The Engineer of Knowledge or wkdq.com will tell you.
Woody Guthrie’s “Talking Dust Bowl Blues” was not a rap song, despite what the Pittsburg Post-Gazette will tell you.
And neither were the spoken word songs from Tex Williams, Hank Williams, Red Foley, Red Sovine, or any other old school country artists who called on the long-used tradition of talking in a song instead of singing to emphasize the storytelling aspect of the lyrics. But I’ll be damned if you will not find a surplus of high-nosed music “experts” that will preach to you that one of these particular songs or artists was either the generation of rap music, or use them to prove that rap and country are one in the same.
I call bullshit.
I first pointed this out this tactic in my Survival Guide to Country Rap, how some would attempt to explain how really, country and rap are the same thing, so what’s the big fuss?
As simply as I can put it, making the case that spoken word and rapping in music are the same thing is an insult to the artistic integrity and creativity of both spoken word and rap artists, and to the intelligence of anyone who that case is being made to.
Battling the infiltration of country rap, not as an artistic expression, but as a way to gentrify music to create a wider audience for financial gain, is hard enough without revising history. Country rap supporters have the upper ground in many ways. They can claim racism against people opposing country rap. They can call them close-minded purists, unwilling to evolve, in a misguided notion that country rap opposition is all about wanting to keep country music exactly how it was back in the 50’s.
Of course rap and spoken word have similarities on the surface. But the fact that the words are not sung is where the similarities end. The origins are different for one thing. Spoken word evolved from the cowboy culture and campfire storytelling that is one of the foundations of country music, while rapping came from tribal cadences carried over from West Africa and the chanting of field songs. Is someone going to really try to make the case that Tex Williams was trying to imbibe the rhythms of West African tribal chants with the disenfranchised themes of slave labor when talking about smoke smoke smoking cigarettes?
But unlike so many other “experts” on the subject, and there seems to be one on every corner these days, I’m not going to get into a long-winded diatribe on the exact origin of one artform or another, or try and pinpoint what the first ever country rap song was, because the origins of music are a slow-evolving, mutable, hard-to-define situation that can be clouded heavily by the perspective of the individual. How about instead celebrating the diversity in music by not letting surface similarities allow us to make shallow observances, with either the underlying motivation or the unintended consequence being the death of contrast in popular music?
And if I was a rap artist or writing for a website called Saving Rap Music, I might even be more insulted by the insinuation that some old crusty white dude was rapping back in the 40’s, because it gives no consideration to one of the most important elements of rap music: flow, or the rhythmic and rhyming approach to the metrical structure of verse that makes rap a much more technically complex art form than simply speaking, or speaking in rhyme, just like cowboy poetry can be more complex than rap from a thematic, storytelling standpoint.
Country rap is here to stay, and one can make the case country rap is on its way to dominating the country music landscape. Country rap has won. So can you do true country fans just one little favor, and not go back in time and try to make rap songs out of country songs in the past too? Is that too much to ask? Or is the guilt for allowing country rap such dominance so great, or the payoff in creating a mono-genre so excessive that we must sell out the past as well?
October 28, 2011 @ 9:19 am
They could do a Hank Williams / Tupac duet album. I could see it happening!
On a serious note, great article Trig. Keep up the amazing work!
October 28, 2011 @ 12:39 pm
Yeah, they could do “I Dreamed About Mama Last Night.”
October 28, 2011 @ 9:25 am
Say, Triggerman, would this be another of those hate moments for Chet Flippo?
His so-called “rapping” here is part of a long country music tradition. It just hasn’t been called “rapping” before. It’s usually been termed “recitation” or “spoken narrative,” and it mirrors country music’s long folk music history. Country recitation songs go back many decades, wherein little stories were incorporated into the songs. Hank Williams recorded many recitations. Listen to a song like “Men With Broken Hearts.” His recordings as Luke the Drifter were practically primers in recitations.
Johnny Cash loved recitations. Listen to “Ragged Old Flag” as a prime example. Charlie Daniels’ lasting hit, “The Devil Went Down to Georgia,” has been cited by black rappers as an early and influential rap song.
Even strait-laced George Strait raps in “Give It Away.”
May 25, 2021 @ 12:24 pm
I’ve been trying to find a song that’s probably 50 or 60 years old – Maybe you know it? “DON’T YOU BELIEVE IT. I DON’T GIVE A DARN WHAT THEY SAY. THE WHOLE WORLD IS FILLED FULL OF LIARS., AND A NEW ONE IS BORN EVERY DAY” – hope you can help.
October 28, 2011 @ 10:25 am
I got a rap . . . sheet. And I wrap presents. Sometimes I rappaport. Sometimes I wrap my brain around things. Today I rap this little ditty:
If they only knew / what you can do / what it is / y’all / On and on, over and out, we all gotz thingz we rap about. I rap about you, Jesus. I’ll take a stand / and rap about you / cuz you is the MAN.
October 28, 2011 @ 10:44 am
I honestly think that Country-Rap is a good thing. People have made the the hair metal analogy; well after hair metal died, grunge came into the mainstream. Now, I’m not a huge fan grunge, but it’s a good example of underground music becoming popular because people got tired of the mainstreams excess and stupidity. But I sure as hell hope country rap doesn’t last a decade though.
October 28, 2011 @ 12:04 pm
Interesting you say that. It seems like the underground roots/country scene has really seen a surge of late. Ryan Bingham is almost crossing into popular music, and there’s been a big light shone on “Americana” (whatever the fuck THAT means) bands like Mumford and Sons and the Avetts. That’s not the best music in the world, but I wholeheartedly prefer it to the pop-country shit. Even Jamey Johnson, though still decidedly on the “them” side of Us and Them, is refreshing compared to the garbage they sell ya. And I think all of this has benefited in no small part from how flat-out BAD country music has gotten. Even people I know who listen to that shit have noticed how bad it’s gotten.
Just never thought about it like that. Maybe the scene will revert to the mean, rather than stay the course. Here’s hopin.
October 28, 2011 @ 1:09 pm
Don’t call Ryan Bingham country, you’ll embarrass him.
https://savingcountrymusic.com/ryan-bingham-burns-country-bridge
And The Avett Bros. & Mumford & Sons have both been successful from distancing from the country scene, and instead rising through indie rock channels. Remember the first Avett Bros. album was called “Country Was”.
October 28, 2011 @ 3:09 pm
Yeah, none of them have much in common with what the word “country” seems to mean these days (which gets back to your blog last week or so. Meant to comment on that), but the influence is undeniably there.
May 19, 2013 @ 3:17 am
Don’t forget Corey Smith. In “If Thats Country” he sang “if thats country then countrys pretty bad” and “if I ain’t country then I’m pretty frickin proud.”
October 28, 2011 @ 3:19 pm
And just this week, Still Drunk Still Crazy Still was played on FX’s Sons of Anarchy.
October 29, 2011 @ 2:33 pm
Texas has some great country coming out right now.
October 30, 2011 @ 6:25 pm
I’m glad to hear that.
October 28, 2011 @ 1:01 pm
From a commercial or attention standpoint, I can see how country rap could be good for the genre. But my main focus here is not if country rap is a good thing or bad, I’m wondering why so many people feel determined to go back in time and call old country songs rap songs simply because people are speaking in them. I would love to get some perspective on this from someone who thinks country rap is a good thing.
I guess another way to put that is, even if you think country rap is a good thing, that doesn’t justify calling the two different art forms of rap and spoken word the same thing.
October 28, 2011 @ 3:11 pm
I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I agree with you 100% that rap and spoken word are totally different things, and I think that when anybody really looks at it, that’s pretty clear. What I am saying is that country rap might be the thing that makes the average music listener think, “What in the hell am I listening to?” and start looking for better music.
October 28, 2011 @ 3:53 pm
I see what you’re saying now. My only concern is that I’ve been hearing this argument being made for years. It was made when Taylor Swift won Entertainer of the Year, that we had hit rock bottom, and it could only be up from there. This year, I’ll be rooting for Taylor Swift to beat out Jason Aldean. And now Toby Keith’s stupid “Red Solo Cup” song is taking off. Country seems to be unable to find rock bottom, though it’s searching mightily.
October 28, 2011 @ 4:54 pm
Yes, but country and pop have been intertwined at different levels forever, but I have always seen rap and country as polar opposites just as much as grindcore and muzak, but maybe that’s not the popular opinion
October 28, 2011 @ 5:10 pm
“Country seems to be unable to find rock bottom, though it”™s searching mightily.”
Hilarious.
October 28, 2011 @ 2:07 pm
It sounds to me like someone is just trying too hard to justify country rap to the purists out there that may be against it. And by purists I mean mainstream purists, not fans like us. There probably are plenty of pop country fans who hate the idea of country rap just like we do.
October 29, 2011 @ 7:19 am
i agree with you Sandman. this about Music Row and big money Nashville trying to convince the existing mainstream audience that the latest “throw some shit against the wall and see if it sticks” approach is actually a good idea. If they cared what people around here thought they could have done a million other things a starting long time ago. i look at it like NASCAR’s attempt to increase their audience, market, PROFIT levels by messing with what made them successful in the first place. maybe this will backfire the same way.
October 29, 2011 @ 7:20 am
Country rap is an insult to real country music, as well as it is to real rap music. It’s watering the real thing down to some miserable mainstream diarea of sound. Ignore it. There’s good country music, and there’s good rap. Just find out what you like.
And I love a lot of the spoken-word-songs in country music.
October 29, 2011 @ 11:02 am
This rap and country thing is complete garbage. Its embarrasing. Its only for the $$ and fame. Alot of this new country is commercial corperate media crap. And thats what rap/hip hop is all about… Its a bad disease ruining everything. But thats what exactly its intended for, to brain wash “main stream pop culture society” and corporate media loves it. Its make them so much $$ cause of this brain washed society and these country artists want piece of the pie. Its to bad they can’t even see it. And if they do see it, thats a damn shame. I’ll tell you one thing though, the rappers love it!
November 2, 2011 @ 8:04 am
I like how some say “brain washed society” when what you’re really talking about is a audience of 15-25yr. olds. Who are the target audience of nearly any and all products/services in the world. They are young, spend money, and keep recycling.
Sure this is a cash grab. People who make a ton of money on this probably don’t deserve it…but that is capitalism.
I look at country music like this in regard to the waves that come and go.
1. Hank- 1st National superstar
2. Waylon- Changed how the business side was run
3. Garth- Took it to a financial level never imagined using some of the ideas/techniques of guys like Hank and Waylon.
4. ???? Who is going to change the mess we are in now? Someone is out there.
October 30, 2011 @ 2:31 pm
Well had never thought any of these mentioned songs were even close to rap in the first place just goes to show how clueless mainstream music critics really are I guess or ive just been livin under a rock haha! The only album I can think of where MAYBE a case can be made would be David Allan Coe’s “Requiem for a Harlequin” yes it is no doubt spoken word recitation but it is done over these funky sorta beats and the lyrical content would fit hand in hand with todays rap and no doubt DAC was into the black music of the time but even that is a bit of a stretch. Didnt he even say himself it was the first hip hop release at some point? Seems theyve been trying to bring this Country-Rap to the mainstream for awhile, I seem to remember years ago Tim Mcgraw had a big hit with a popular rapper of the time but the difference now it seems is these “country artists” and starting to do the rapping instead of simply featuring a duet with rap/hip hop artists.
November 4, 2011 @ 11:09 am
On Daid Allan Coe’s “Live From The Iron Horse Saloon”, opening track “Ohio Boy” he claims that he wrote the first rap album ever made, in reference to Requiem.
So does that mean we get to blame DAC for all the rap country then? haha
November 2, 2011 @ 7:56 am
Why do you give such credit to things like country rap and pop country? They are money makers for a portion of this thing we call music, and that is it. They don’t redefine historical definitions of music. They don’t invent “new” music. They simply are a small piece of music as a whole, and a small portion of the genre called country simply because they are riding coat-tails of the Garth Brooks wave that has lasted 2 decades but is clearly running out of steam. That wave was massive record sales = massive money.
When you say “they have won”, your giving little respect to the history of country music.
I equate this “era” of country music to the 1980-90’s of baseball card collecting. Maybe you can relate to that given we are relatively the same age, and every kid collected cards. Collecting cards in the 80’s wasn’t a bad idea until the industry flooded the market trying to cash in. Then in the 90’s any cards worth anything dropped to nothing when the steroids came to light. Just insert “pop country” and “country rap” into those statements.
However, the 1980-90’s haven’t made the Honus Wagner card less important, or the cards of the 50-60-70’s less collectible. Just as this pop/rap era won’t change the importance and timelessness of Hank, ET, Waylon, Merle, etc…
To give in and say “they won” and start trying to call country something else because a little pop and rap got in the mix is an insult to the history.
May 8, 2013 @ 2:33 pm
Has anyone ever listened to Gangstagrass? I don’t know that it is bad a pop country singer trying to “rap.” The guy can rap and the picking pretty good as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezRhtnWWUUc
March 19, 2014 @ 1:24 pm
Okay, I step on the editors toes about an article and get a stern, anti-country lecture on everything that is pro rap, pop, crap or otherwise, non-country. I accept the criticism with no problem. However, to clear up my statements, I thought my replys were based according to the laws (mission statement) laid down for this commentary page by said owner. This not being the first time I have been on the bad side and likely won’t be the last.
Maybe I was confused to believe that your beginning I read and so liked was everything to do with “Real Country Music” and nothing to do with pro-supporting rap crap, pop and others along the confused gender of what the COUNTRY genre is.
That said, when REAL COUNTRY folks challenge the editors commentary or the misguided kids who hang on country labels, but don’t have a clue as to what country is, then the tide turns. We, I, thought the true intentions of the mag, was in favor of “REAL COUNTRY MUSIC”, instead it seems to head in the other direction.
To clarify: (reading from the bottom of the page)
“THE MISSION: Saving Country Music promotes and disseminates information about “REAL country music”, the underground country music movement, as well as the underground DIY movements of roots, rockabilly, bluegrass, blues, and some folk music”. etc. etc… also “off color pop country bashing”.
REALLY Triggerman….. these are not my mission statements, they are your mission statement at the bottom of the page. Seems here, that mission has turned 180.
Don’t know if it’s just my past or present comments of taking a stand in favor of real country music that set the stage for myself and the other few true Country artist / fans who believe what they say or if you just want to use whatever is positive today in building readership and change directions next week to pamper to the latest fad flowing out of the majors pool.
But it is quite the scolding displayed when anyone speaks truth which seems to be along the same lines as the MISSION Statement. IF what they feel is against whatever is popular this week, be it…. rap, pop, crap or ???? using their COUNTRY, oops, TRUE COUNTRY brand without being anywhere near the ballpark of the real thing.
If I am seen as going against the grain here, think nothing of it, I was an Outlaw in the industry for 40 plus years, I’m an Outlaw to them today and I will remain true to my COUNTRY MUSIC until the day I perform my last song and they turn on the big toaster oven. If that wets anyones cornflakes, then you have complete control of the DELETE button….HIT IT! Won’t hurt my feelings at all, I would hit it myself but I can’t seem to find the button to excuse myself. thanks for the space. Headed back to the Country Side.
March 20, 2014 @ 8:30 pm
the more i read of the publisher the more confused i become. would not saving rap really be a better heading? only a handfulhere seem 2 like country, most agree with mister triggerman on anti country music than in favor of it. i am reading more so i can figure out why it is mostly bashing what it is supposed to stand for, country i thought. now i aint shure. hummm. but then i am from the south where country means country.
January 3, 2015 @ 11:49 am
I always Back In Black sounded rappish
I guess that was just Brian Johnson singin fast
January 3, 2015 @ 11:49 am
Always thought
God I’m dumb
August 26, 2016 @ 8:08 am
Spoken Word is a-rhythmic. If it is done to stay on beat….it is some form of “Rap”, sorry.
August 26, 2016 @ 8:29 am
Spoken Word is a-rhythmic, though. Even in the Hip Hop context, “Rap” is pretty broad, ESPECIALLY if you’re using a cadence, and keeping time to a beat.