What To Make of These Garth Brooks Sexual Assault Accusations
When sexual assault and rape allegations were revealed in a lawsuit against Garth Brooks on October 3rd, to say that it took the country music world by shock is a gross understatement. And it wasn’t just because of the graphic nature of the charges, or the stature of who they were against. What made them so unbelievable and bizarre-feeling is because of who we’ve all perceived Garth Brooks to be over his nearly 40-year career, including many of his most vocal detractors.
Though the dedicated fans of Garth Brooks always seem to be surprised whenever anyone brings up a discouraging word about the best-selling artist in country music history, Garth Brooks is an extremely polarizing character when it comes to country music, and American culture in general. Obviously, he has a massive population of fervent fans. That’s how Garth ascended to where he is today.
But many others credit Garth Brooks for the over-commercialization of country music, for being insincere with his aw shucks attitude and alligator tears, for being excessively greedy with his endless box set releases selling the same music over and over, and for just being a phony individual overall. This is one of the reasons the “Where are the bodies Garth?” meme started by comedian Tom Segura has become so ubiquitous.
Yet even many of the people who otherwise piss on Garth Brooks whenever they see his name pass under their nose on social media or when it comes up in conversation, they are speaking out in Garth’s defense. Despite all of his perceived insincerity, greediness, and seeming acts of egotism, Garth Brooks never gave off the vibes of being a rapist. The accusation just seems so outlandish, it feels like it should be dismissed out of hand.
But it can’t be. Ever since the news broke, not just Garth’s accuser, but the media itself has seen the ire from some in the public for merely reporting on the matter. Apparently the media is supposed to sit on its hands as country music’s A1 celebrity is accused of rape, or must discount or dismiss the accusations as baseless before any evidence and testimony has even been presented. But the media’s job is to report the news, and get the facts straight for the public to parse through themselves and come to their own conclusions.
Saving Country Music had the audacity to assert that the charges should be taken seriously due to the gravity of the accusations, the status of Garth Brooks in country music and American culture, and the dubious history of entertainment and country music specifically when it comes to the treatment of safety and women, and looking the other way when it comes to such claims. This assertion in itself was met with rebuke. But does anyone truly think these charges should be taken flippantly? Garth Brooks and his lawyers are certainly not taking this matter lightly, nor should they. And nor should the public. The implications for Garth and country music are too significant.
Politics is a big player in the dismissive tone some are taking to this story. In the aftermath of the mania that came with some of the of the most egregious missteps of the #MeToo movement, some people have come to believe that most or all of these allegations end up not being true. Some of them weren’t. Some women used the moment to try to gain advantage in society, or in their workplaces.
But that doesn’t mean that was the common motivation, or the majority outcome. Often the accusations were valid, including in the most high profile cases such as Harvey Weinstein who inspired the #MeToo movement. According to one study of studies from the National Sexual Violence Resource Center, the amount of false accusations of sexual violence rages from around 2% to 10%, while some 63% of sexual assault instances never go reported. That tells us that false reports are rare, but it also tells us that they definitely do happen.
If anything, the media coverage of the Garth Brooks accusations has been muted, and matter-of-fact. There was much greater media obsession surrounding the Morgan Wallen ‘N’-word incident, or Jason Aldean’s “Try That in a Small Town” video release, and the supposed Beyoncé snubs by awards shows. There really haven’t been any stories or in-depth think pieces about how country music needs to reckon with its sexist present or past like we saw with those instances centered around race. There’s been no major outcry attempting to paint the entire genre as degrading to women due to the actions of one man like we saw with Morgan Wallen.
There really hasn’t been any major public outcry or outrage over the Garth Brooks matter at all, in part due to the fact that folks just feel like the accusations are so out-of-character for Garth, they should wait until more facts emerge, and the legal process plays out before coming to any hard conclusions.
And that’s exactly what people should be doing. Where before #MeToo the incentive was for women to remain silent since their accusations would be dismissed or ridiculed immediately, and during #MeToo it almost became an element of fashion to embellish experiences or center them as part of identity, perhaps now we have found the proper equilibrium: take the charges seriously, but be patient and let the process play out while presuming innocence. This is what Garth Brooks has been requesting, and that’s the grace he’s being given.
Still, some people think it’s an inequitable position Garth has been foisted in where he’s facing an accuser who is allowed to remain anonymous while he faces the specter of these charges hanging over his head in what Garth himself believes will be a two-year process to clear his name.
This is also where the latest development with the case comes into play, and in a major way. In a refiling of a lawsuit Garth brought against the accuser preemptively in her home state of Mississippi amid the accuser pursuing her lawsuit in California, Garth Brooks and his legal team publicly revealed the accuser’s name. Previously she had been referred to as “Jane Roe” in legal filings, while Garth was referred to as “John Doe.”
Saving Country Music, like many media outlets, has chosen not to publish the accuser’s name. But it is out there, and already was in certain circles after so much about her identity and work history had previously been revealed.
“Garth Brooks just revealed his true self,” attorney Douglas H. Wigdor said in a statement after the Garth Brooks refiling. “Out of spite and to punish, he publicly named a rape victim. With no legal justification, Brooks outed her because he thinks the laws don’t apply to him. On behalf of our client, we will be moving for maximum sanctions against him immediately.”
According to legal experts, this move by Brooks could be extremely risky, and potentially damaging. If Garth is completely innocent, it might be inconsequential. But if he is found to be liable in any capacity for the accusations being levied against him, if he had a relationship with the accuser, even if it was consensual or mostly consensual, this move could backfire. It is also likely to be seen as acting in bad faith by the California court, and Garth could face consequences that could harm his defense. It also removes the public criticism of unfairness that he is named, but the accuser isn’t.
Some have also claimed that there will be no ramifications for the accuser if Garth Brooks is found to be innocent. But that is not the case. It was Brooks who first filed suit against the accuser in Mississippi, and the refiling of that court action underscores that the accuser is already facing a countersuit claiming extortion and defamation, and could face significant consequences if found to be lying.
For the implications on country music at large, it’s important to understand the scenario in which the alleged behavior by Garth Brooks occurred. Pushing aside all the saucy details of what is accused, Garth’s accuser was a hair and makeup artist who was working with Garth in close quarters on the road, and this is when the alleged activity occurred. Garth was her boss, and in scenarios where they were traveling together, and often alone. This is a very similar instance to the accusations against Jimmie Allen, who was accused by his day-to-day manager of rape and sexual assault over a prolonged period.
When the Jimmie Allen accusations first came out, many people were dismissive of them because very similar to the Garth Brooks scenario, it seemed unreasonable that a woman would continue to work with someone who had raped them and was continually harassing them. Then a second woman came forward accusing Jimmie Allen of similar behavior. Then it was revealed Allen had another child outside of his marriage. All of a sudden, a pattern of behavior emerged.
Often these accusations come out in bunches as one alleged victim gives others the strength to come forward. This was the same scenario that transpired when award-winning Dallas/Ft. Worth country DJ Justin Frazell was accused of rape by a teen, and then a second teen came forward. Eventually Frazell plead guilty and no contest to the charges. After being accused of rape while on tour with Florida Georgia Line, hip-hop artists Nelly also had two more women come forward.
It is important that as an industry, country music protects women and men in these kinds of scenarios, and that’s why these accusations don’t just have implications for Garth Brooks. They have implications for an industry that has a dubious history in this regard.
In 2017, scores of accusations came out against high-profile publicist Kirt Webster after performer Austin Rick first came out to accuse the publicist of sexual assault. The Metro Nashville police department investigated the charges, found them credible, but deemed they were too far out of the statute of limitations timeline to prosecute. This is one of the many reasons sexual assault allegations often end up in civil courts.
After Austin Rick came forward, so did a second young male singer, and nearly two dozen employees and associates of Kirt Webster. As Saving Country Music reported in 2023, Kirt Webster still continues to work in country music, sometimes through proxies, and currently is managing the estates of George Jones and Charley Pride, as well as the careers of Lee Greenwood and Don McLean. Though the media was actively reporting on Webster in 2017 when Austin Rick’s accusations first emerged, they have since gone silent.
So far, it’s only been the one accuser that has come out against Garth Brooks. Again, at this point, the accusations against Garth Brooks do not fit a pattern of behavior. That is why he’s been given more grace than we have seen in other scenarios.
If the accusations against Garth Brooks are found to be false, there is a good chance Garth and country music move on, and it’s nothing more than a footnote on his Wikipedia page. But on the chance that evidence is presented that is damaging and irrefutable, it could have major implications on country music. Garth is a Country Music Hall of Famer, one of the most awards country artists in history, a Kennedy Center Honors and Gershwin Prize recipient, and the best-selling artist in North America.
It’s because of the implications that we must take these accusations seriously. It’s also why we must all wait for the facts to come out. Unfortunately, what often happens in these cases is they’re settled out of court, non-disclosure agreements are signed, and the public never finds out the ultimate truth. But in this case, it feels especially important that the name of Garth Brooks is completely exonerated, or that it’s revealed that powerful men in music continue to use those positions of power to take advantage of those beneath them.
Unfortunately, it might be years before we find these answers, if we ever do.
RCB
October 11, 2024 @ 10:18 am
I don’t think there’s much that can be responsibly done in cases like this by either journalists or commenting members of the public beyond [1] acknowledgement of the allegations and [2] refraining from judgment until the facts underlying the allegations are confirmed or refuted by evidence (or admission).
There’s just no need and little benefit in taking positions on the credibility or plausibility of untested allegations.
Jerry
October 11, 2024 @ 10:21 am
We’ll have to agree to disagree about this, Trig.
1) She outed his name first. There is no reason why an accuser should remain anonymous. And for you (and other media) not to publish the name is actually taking sides.
2) Typically, when you have bad characters, once the floodgates are opened, they pour open. Meaning that if Garth really was a rapist or the like, there would be floodgates of people opening up to accuse him. That, combined with his upstanding character should be a huge factor in this.
3) Even if Garth is found to be totally innocent, and completely exonerated, the damage to his reputation will be permanent, as he will be guilty in the eyes of some people no matter the outcome. How can we quantify that?
4) There was a report that this individual had been reaching out to Garth for money, and I also read that he was providing her with money and only balked when she asked for medical insurance, and other things. This means that she had some sort of working relationship, at least, with the Garth company. An integral part of this story should be getting to the bottom of what this relationship was, to try to come to some sort of an idea regarding whether they would have worked closely together or not, thereby either lending credence to the accusations, or not. I have not seen anything like this done.
I am not saying that all individuals with only one accuser should be ignored. I also know that there are some people who are extremely charismatic and nice, who are actually predators. I have known one or two in my life, and there are usually warning signs. But given the whole picture, I believe that it is correct to be skeptical of these accusations.
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 10:43 am
1) There is not a major, reputable news organization, police records or public relations department, or human resources department that would ever divulge the name of an alleged victim of a sex crime without the alleged victim publicizing their name first, full stop. Not dissimilar to the people saying that the media is supposed to not report on this matter until it is resolved, this is just a complete misunderstanding of how these things work, and if you didn’t report on this matter at all, this would be perceived as taking sides with Garth.
2) We don’t disagree on this point at all. We’re in 100% agreement. I went out of my way to emphasize and underscore how these accusations often come in bunches, and gave multiple examples within the country music realm that I have reported on personally in the last few years, and how so far, this has not happened with Garth Brooks. I think this is a very important point.
3) I’m not sure if this is the case, and I hope it is not. We have seen instances like with Tom Brokaw and others where accusations came out, were refuted, and everyone moved on. As I tried to emphasize here, the pitchforks are not out for Garth Brooks, at least not yet. The media is dispassionately reporting the facts and allowing the information to come out, and taking a wait-and-see attitude. Where I’ve seen the backlash is against the media and the accuser, underscored by your comment, and emphasizing why it’s important she remain anonymous.
4) I have also seen some reports about the money problems of the accuser, but to me that falls into the realm of speculation about motivation, and doesn’t constitute a smoking gun that she’s lying. It’s certainly something to take into consideration in the greater realm of facts. But there are still a lot of other facts and information that still need to come out. It’s also been said that Garth actually has offered her “millions” of dollars and she turned it down. So I think we need to wait for more information on this point.
CountryKnight
October 11, 2024 @ 10:57 am
Regarding point one.
That is an issue, Trigger. If someone is going to make that damaging accusation their name should be public record. The accuser’s name has been made public. What happened to equality?
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 12:53 pm
There is a stigma that persists throughout society that we all recognize when someone has been the victim of rape. It affects women, but it effects men equally, if not even more. Because of this, society and all of its institutions have decided that the identity of potential rape victims should be protected. It doesn’t matter how inequitable you believe that is. It doesn’t matter how unpopular it is to you or in this comments section. It’s the way it is, and it’s the way it should be.
And besides, Garth already made the name public, and the fact that folks are still grousing about it speaks to the unbalanced perspective many people are bringing to this matter. Garth won this battle, but it very well could factor into him losing the war if he’s in any way culpable in this matter.
What folks should be focused on is if the rape occurred or not. This is such a secondary concern, especially now.
CountryKnight
October 11, 2024 @ 1:02 pm
Those institutions have decided that course because they fear the mob more than justice. The same mob yelling for radical feminism then wants no disclosing of names. The old saying about the check arriving comes to mind.
Justice for all and transparency is a cornerstone of our society.
It is not how it should be.
If Garth did not go public her name would have remained buried. I read many sources with headlines about how Garth made her name public but their articles refused to identify his accuser. He did not win the battle at all.
A heated discussion doesn’t occur over secondary concerns. Either all names are disclosed or none at all. This half-and-half business isn’t American.
People already discussed if the rape occurred or not in the last article’s comments section. We haven’t received new evidence.
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 2:18 pm
CountryKnight,
The name has already been disclosed. You won. And though you keep bringing up “radical feminism,” the feminists aren’t even addressing this matter at this point, let alone calling for the head of Garth Brooks. Everyone is patiently waiting for the facts to come out, except for you. If there’s anyone that constitutes a “yelling mob,” it’s those demanding the alleged victim’s name be divulged, which it already has been, rendering the point moot.
“Justice for all and transparency is a cornerstone of our society.”
Yes, and thanks to the 6th Amendment, Garth was able to know the name of his accuser from the beginning. There is not in the law that states that the public must know the accuser’s name in a rape case. In fact laws passed by majority votes state that we should protect alleged victim’s names, because that is the rational thing to do, and most people agree with that, except for apparently in this comments section.
Garth Brooks sued the alleged victim before she even had the opportunity to file suit, under the name “John Doe.” Billboard and other media outlets have reported that they knew about the initial lawsuit, but didn’t know who filed it, because Garth was hiding his name. So two can play this game, and did.
It speaks a lot how some folks are hung up on if the alleged victim’s name is divulged, as opposed to if Garth Brooks actually raped somebody.
Strait
October 11, 2024 @ 6:04 pm
100% agree.
“If the accusations against Garth Brooks are found to be false, there is a good chance Garth and country music move on”
Well yeah but after what cost to his reputation and wallet?
If the accusations are found to be false will that woman face an equal cost?
HELL FUCKING NO.
That is why people are skeptical here.
If Garth had a pattern of cohersing female country artists to blow him for an opening slot, that would warrent your level of “taking these allegations seriously.”
There were a multitude of allegations against Harvey Weinstein prior to his arrest and trial. In Garth’s case it’s a longtime business partner making allegations 5 years later with timing that is just plain sus.
StraitOuttaNashville
October 14, 2024 @ 7:09 am
Trigger, I am not sure we are “hammering a moot point”. I understand fully her name is out there now. Wouldn’t Garth be the “victim” if he is 100% innocent here, and who knows if he is or isn’t. I understand Garth revealed the female’s identity but if news sources won’t publish her name even after Garth gave us her name then they are one taking a side and two pushing the public opinion in one direction. Just my opinion.
Trigger
October 14, 2024 @ 7:57 am
“Wouldn’t Garth be the “victim” if he is 100% innocent here”
Of course Garth would be the victim, and the media should portray him as such, and actively work to exonerate his name if that is the case once the evidence comes out. And the alleged victim will not get of scott free. There is already at least a $75,000 lawsuit pending against her from Garth that if she is 100% lying, she will likely have to pay. That number will rise as the legal action unfolds. She will be on the bill for all of Garth’s legal expenses at the least.
As for the victim’s name, one of the reasons the media isn’t reporting on it is because it just doesn’t matter. You don’t know her, I don’t know her, nobody but her friends and family know her. She’s not a celebrity or in the public eye. Her name is just a data point. And really the only value to her name is to those who might be interested in harassing her, doxxing her, etc.
Rusty Pickup
October 11, 2024 @ 2:11 pm
1) Accusations of raoe can be complicated, sometimes with all sorts of entanglements if the people involved have a history – though after that distilled there will be an outcome. However, in this case “clean habds” are not clear when you ask for money first. You go to the police first. In a criminal action, you should retain your anonymity, since the ramifications of a criminal action far outweigh those of a civil action. Rape is a criminal act, it only can hecone legitimately a civil one after it is adjudicated in court with a guilty verdict of the perpetrator. Trying to hedge your bets is a dangerous chance to take.
2) You don’t attempt to “extort” money from your perpetrator first. That casts aspersions on the accusations and demonstrates “motive” and taints you’re accusation. It is a smoking gun. Period. Remember, rape is a felony – well so is extortion.
Preemptive extortion will be met with preemptive actions on the part of the excused.
3) asking for a payment for silence “to protect a reputation” or smme slag like that is ridiculous. You were raped, getting “justice” should outweigh anything else. (And if he is guilty, obviously you will be compensated in a civil trial AFTER judgement – so why sue first?)
4) Thr pitchforks aren’t out for GB since he has a different level of exposure. “Awe,shucks” is different than nightclubging in Miami, ostentatious displays of wealth, and SUVs with hidden gun compartments. So yeah, public perception is different.
The real victims here are the people who are sensually assaulted who may not come forward because because of what happens in cases like these.
CountryKnight
October 11, 2024 @ 12:54 pm
Trigger didn’t publish my comment with the accuser’s name – which is now public knowledge. He has taken a side – which is perfectly acceptable. Just don’t give off the appearance of fence-sitting.
Fair is fair and equal is equal until these incidents occur.
Hagphish
October 11, 2024 @ 1:56 pm
The way you are acting is exactly why some women don’t report these things. Be careful how to talk about this issue around women in your life (if there are any). You may make them feel pretty unsafe.
CountryKnight
October 11, 2024 @ 4:15 pm
Ah, I was waiting for a coy insult.
Funny enough, the women in my life agree with my requests regarding transparency -almost like they aren’t a monolith in thinking.
Hagphish
October 12, 2024 @ 12:50 pm
You can throw around insults, but can’t take them being thrown back at you. Got it.
Strait
October 11, 2024 @ 6:07 pm
What a ridiculous statement.
Women who are truly that afraid should just marry at 18 and never leave the house.
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 7:31 pm
Stupid comment Strait. Hagpish didn’t say all women are constantly afraid of getting raped (though many are, and for good reason). What they said was women are afraid of reporting it, because society will attack them. And after seeing the comments in this very comments section doing that very thing, it’s hard to disagree with that.
You, CountryKnight, Di Harris, and others are illustrating why this woman wanted to remain anonymous, and why so few women come forward. Because they WILL be attacked.
The irony here was this article was mostly about how muted and measured the reaction to the Garth Brooks rape allegations have been. It’s the comments in this comments section here at savingcountrymusic.com that mark the most radical, emotional, and seething anger over this issue that you will find anywhere on the internet. And it’s not coming from feminists. The feminist community is like , “Eh, doesn’t sound like something Garth Brooks would do, so let’s let this process play out.”
It’s SCM commenters who want to circumvent the judicial process to expose the accuser and have her face catastrophic ramifications when we still don’t have any idea what actually happened.
Strait
October 11, 2024 @ 7:49 pm
“It’s SCM commenters who want to circumvent the judicial process”
Absolute bullshit. Myself and many others said that this accuser should bring the evidence and that it should play out in criminal court. You yourself admitted that civil court requires a much lower threshold of evidence. I never said or implied that this woman doesn’t have a right to bring forth these allegations. I keep saying that she needs to bring evidence then. Show the texts. Anything.
I’m no male feminist because I do not pretend that gold diggers don’t exist.
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 8:08 pm
I agree that it always strengthens the argument when police are called, and reports are filed when it comes to rape and sexual assault allegations. However, woman have many reasons for not coming forward, including being attackd in public like is happening in this comments section, while civil action often makes more sense. As I explained in the article, sometimes the statue of limitations forbids victims from bringing charges. When I reported on the Nelly rape allegation while on tour with Florida Georgia Line, the woman dropped the criminal charges and instead brought civil charges when she discovered the investigating police department was leaking to TMZ. When the Jimmie Allen accusations came up, we saw this same civil v. criminal accusation, until it was revealed the 2nd victim did go to the police.
I can’t tell you why the woman did not go to the police initially. Perhaps that will come out as this process unfolds.
Di Harris
October 11, 2024 @ 7:58 pm
Wow.
You are acting like i have never been harassed, in very threatening situations, etc.
You just keep throwing my name out there and pouring gasoline, and let’s see what happens.
CountryKnight
October 13, 2024 @ 11:57 am
Trigger,
Attacked? Because we want transparency in names being published? Not believing 100% in an account isn’t being attacked.
Sylvia Payton
October 16, 2024 @ 6:24 pm
Hahahahahhaaasa. Not even funny.
Rusty Pickup
October 15, 2024 @ 9:28 pm
I’ll preface that rape is such an agregious violation beyond any description. Women coming forward is coming forward is just as much as an ordeal. Taking on a high profile or any for that matter, perpetrator is daunting.
The toxic environment is only compounded by asking for money first. In the first place, it taints the accusation. That’s the way it is perceived in court on cross examination. Seeking justice is legal vengeance first amd monetary compensation second. That preserves the positions of both parties as it should. You can’t have it both ways. And if you do extort before trial, that changes everything including your annonymity, your hands aren’t clean anymore. Period. Rapists need to becprosrcuted to the full extent of the law – just as those who seek to extort or blackmail before it is adjudicated in court. Everyone should be equal under the law. Would you want your husband excreted if he was innocent and didn’t have a chance to demonstrate that? I think not.
Keepin’ it Country
October 12, 2024 @ 10:07 pm
Can you send it to me, or direct me to where I can find it?
SomeCallMeTim
October 12, 2024 @ 10:23 am
“There is no reason why an accuser should remain anonymous.” I can think of one. Since her name went public, she’s probably received death threats. That type of thing seems to be all too common these days.
Jimmy
October 11, 2024 @ 10:26 am
When someone of Garth’s stature is accused of rape by a woman who attempts to blackmail him instead of going to the police seeking justice, there will be skepticism. This is not a regular accusation, Brooks has a lot to lose whether he’s guilt or not.
I’ve always viewed Brook’s whole persona as contrived (and sometimes cringe-worthy). This doesn’t mean he’s guilty, nor does it mean he’s innocent. If he is guilty, he needs to face the full force of law, but that’s not what’s happening or is going to happen. It really appears that this woman is looking for a payday.
And I don’t believe altruism is behind the media’s refusal to name the accuser, it’s more a case of covering their own asses. I’m not suggesting that’s your motivation, Trigger (you do appear to have integrity), but I do think that’s the case with many outlets.
Jake Cutter
October 11, 2024 @ 10:46 am
“….they should wait until more facts emerge, and the legal process plays out before coming to any hard conclusions. And that’s exactly what people should be doing.”
Yeah that’s kind of what I was doing. How though, does that square with “we must take these accusations seriously.”
Perhaps it would help if you identified who the “we” is that “must” take this seriously. Your readers? Other journalists? His sponsors? How exactly do any of these entities take this “seriously?” What would that look like to you? This is the second article you’ve written about this but I still don’t know exactly what you want. .
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 1:11 pm
If Garth Brooks is completely innocent and has been unfairly accused of rape, that’s a serious matter.
If Garth Brooks raped a woman, that’s a serious matter.
If Garth Brooks has a consensual relationship with another woman, she felt jilted, and then is accusing him of rape for financial gain, that is a serious matter.
If Garth Brooks never touched the woman, but was sexually harassing to her as her boss, that is a serious matter.
There is no scenario where this matter shouldn’t be taken seriously. And the fact that folks continue to engage in this semantic argument I think illustrates just how un-serious some are taking it.
The entity involved here is the country music community. That is who needs to take it seriously.
Strait
October 11, 2024 @ 5:59 pm
The fact that this case is being sent to a civil court vs a criminal court, and 5 years after the fact and at an opportune time for a likely settlement….I am suspicious of the allegations being fake.
Jake Cutter
October 11, 2024 @ 8:23 pm
Like you’ve said about country music many times, the “community” also isn’t a monolith. Look at the comment section, there’s no agreement as a “community” about anything. You’re certainly entitled to your own opinion, and I respect it more than most, but the way you keep saying the “community” “needs” to take it seriously is kind of didactic. And that means more than just semantics. You also still haven’t even said what “taking it seriously” even means. Elsewhere you seem to almost be complaining that he hasn’t lost any sponsors or had shows cancelled. Is that what you want? What is taking it seriously? You keep saying it but you still haven’t defined it.
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 10:54 pm
“Look at the comment section, there’s no agreement as a “community” about anything.”
This comments section is not indicative of a “community,” except one that has been gutted due to a hapless moderator holding tight to the belief an open forum should be provided for all people to share their opinions, allowing a small handful of commenters who don’t give a shit about anything except waiting in the weeds to seethe their off-topic preformulated political arguments about pet culture war topics to overrun the forum, ultimately chasing away all other reasonable voices and perspectives until it is an abominable embarrassment, and an debilitating anchor on the entire website and its underlying mission, placing it at risk of no longer being a going concern into the future. I could wallpaper the walls of my house with the emails and comments I have received by former readers telling me such, THOUSANDS of readers who will never come back to this website very specifically citing the comments, all for the sake of five or so commenters who don’t even like to read the content here. They just take advantage of the open forum to vent their cultural anger, and to tell me to fuck off.
“Elsewhere you seem to almost be complaining that he hasn’t lost any sponsors or had shows cancelled.”
I did nothing of the sort. This entire article was about how even Garth Brooks detractors were rising up to defend him, how the media has been curiously measured and fair reporting on the matter, how this is the right course of action considering the circumstances, and how everyone should patiently wait for the ultimate conclusion of this matter. Ironically, this instigated some to come demanding the alleged victim be named—which she already has been—and trivializing rape because some college girl got a pat on her ass at some point.
“What is taking it seriously? You keep saying it but you still haven’t defined it.”
I have explained it ad nauseum. But what I can assure you is this comments section ain’t it, ironically making it the most important audience needing to be told why this is a serious matter.
Jake Cutter
October 13, 2024 @ 9:08 am
I appreciate your thoughtful response. A few counterpoints, respectfully:
I THINK the MAJORITY of the comments that are skeptical of this situation aren’t trivializing rape. They’re fatigued with me too and this situation to them is suspicious until proven otherwise. I do think some of them express that poorly (or rather- they commit the sin of not expressing it in a PC way).
The “community” isn’t an idealized version of what you want it to be. Why wouldn’t the commenters here be part of it or be a community? And I’m someone who thinks the idea of a “community” is overused. I’m surprised by that comment.
You haven’t explained anything “ad naueseum.” You imply a lot and what you imply goes against your usual disclaimer of “Like anyone accused of criminal activity, Garth Brooks deserves to be considered innocent until proven guilty.” I guess what you want is it not to be ignored. How does that square with assuming he’s innocent (for now)? Why should other outlets write multiple articles about this if he’s presumed innocent? I know they pick and chose when they do this, and it’s not along ethical lines…so maybe there is a point there, but I’m still trying to picture what you want, and how it fits in with presuming he is innocent.
About the losing sponsors comment and you saying you did nothing of the sort….you’re right, I went back and read your comment. I was wrong.
The readers you’ve lost because they can’t figure out how to not read the comments that trigger them IMO are far more of a problem than even the most crass “5 or so” commentators.
My final criticism is this. You bring a lot of good points to light, in many of your articles. Most impressively you look into things that are taboo and catch you hell with the activist crowd. I’m just not sure why you write things like: “But what I can assure you is this comments section ain’t it, ironically making it the most important audience needing to be told why this is a serious matter.”
I’ve watched you criticize “hall monitors” and journalists imposing their ideology on others and country music in general. Why do you then play sanctimonious hall monitor, looking down on some of your commentators and declaring what they “need to be told?” I don’t agree with many of them either but I’m not convinced either of us has a moral imperative and should be telling people what to think, at least not from a position of moral superiority. Showing them things that make them think, exploring issues, debating, offering counterpoints, presenting the facts, perspective, etc….all good things IMO. But I’m not sure taking a didactic approach and saying someone “needs” to or “must” take something seriously is going to win anyone over (if that’s even something a journalist should be trying to do in the first place).
David:The Duke of Everything
October 11, 2024 @ 11:07 am
The idea that the accusers name shouldnt be withheld is ludicrous especially knowing tge world we now live in. Entertainers particularly the most popular ones have many fans and some of those fans are unhinged. To put someones life at risk by naming this person is crazy. Its a reason why people dont say stuff at first among others. They have to decide between doing whats right by coming out vs what the person or someone in that persons corner is going to do to them. The more famous, the more they can do. Unfornately or in some cases fortunately this is what comes with celebrity. Grass isnt always greener on the other side of the fence. Let the truth come out if thats possible at this point.
Hagphish
October 11, 2024 @ 11:27 am
I’d like to point out that the statistic for false accusations in these cases ranges from 2-10%, and that having this conversation between a bunch of men is just yelling into an echo chamber.
CountryKnight
October 11, 2024 @ 11:39 am
How is that statistic calculated? I have seen it bantered around but never received a direct answer regarding its scientific basis.
Hagphish
October 11, 2024 @ 11:55 am
Well, it has been sited in many many publications. I guess you’ll just have to do your own research if you really want to die on that hill.
CountryKnight
October 11, 2024 @ 12:51 pm
I didn’t ask if it has been cited. I asked how it was calculated. Your lack of direct answer suggests its accuracy is questionable.
Hagphish
October 11, 2024 @ 1:33 pm
Here
https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf
What is the end game with all of your comments? Just trollin’? Are you denying the fact that most women have dealt with sexual assault on some level? Are you sympathetic to the men who have been accused of rape and sexual assault? You come off as someone who assumes these high profile rapists are only being accused for a payout. It suggests you have very little understanding of the power dynamic that can exists between women and men of power.
Hagphish
October 11, 2024 @ 1:36 pm
By that logic, I can say the sky is blue, but if I don’t show you proof it must be untrue. Brilliant.
CountryKnight
October 11, 2024 @ 4:19 pm
The end game is having an open and honest discussion. A process that seems foreign to you.
I have seen that report. The data is an estimate but it is thrown around as gospel.
It is easy to tell if the sky is blue. Horrible analogy.
Howard
October 11, 2024 @ 12:57 pm
The point is, though, that false allegations do happen, and that there are women who, for money, will be willing to endure media attention and personal attacks that would shame normal women just to get it. Look up Tawanna Brawley. It goes back far before #MeToo. Don’t assume Garth’s accuser is lying, but don’t assume she’s not, either. Ten percent is one out of ten, a far cry from improbable.
CountryKnight
October 11, 2024 @ 4:19 pm
How many people would stick their hand in a mailbox knowing there is a 1-in-10 chance it gets cut off?
Very few.
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 4:56 pm
But that statistic is not about how many people get their hands cut off. It’s about how many accusations of rape turn out to be false. Even if it was 20% or 40%, the point is that the majority of claims turn out to be true. So the people saying, “most of these claims turn out being false” are statistically incorrect.
Joe Johnson
October 11, 2024 @ 11:52 am
How do they know 63% are never reported if they were never reported?
Zac Schaneman
October 11, 2024 @ 12:37 pm
no need to ask logical questions. just drink your kool-aid and rest assured that that statistic has been fact-checked
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 1:16 pm
Or you can click on the link provided to the source data, read the study of studies I linked to, find the further source data, and understand this is an estimate based on an analysis of polling data conducted by Rennison, that also takes into account data from a Lisak, Gardinier, Nicksa, & Cote study.
https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/2012-03/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf
Basically, they ask lots of women if they have been sexually assaulted, how many reported it and how many didn’t, and came up with that number.
None of these numbers are bulletproof, and are different for different communities and demographics. But it does give us a good understanding how how prevalent these things are society wide.
CountryKnight
October 11, 2024 @ 4:25 pm
So, the numbers firmly cited are an estimate?
That is not reassuring for a sensitive and highly-politicized topic.
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 5:02 pm
CountryKnight,
This is not a highly politicized topic. As I explained in the article, nobody seems to really even give a shit about this. There’s no think pieces about it. Nobody’s calling for the head of Garth Brooks. He hasn’t had any of his live dates canceled or lost sponsors. The people who are up in arms and seething on the internet about it is you. You’re having a 2019 argument in 2024.
And no, it is impossible for any study or poll to deliver statistical certainty because nobody has omniscience. We all know this about polls and studies. You’re arguing to argue, because that’s what you like to do, and it’s disruptive to what could be a fruitful and important discussion. You breeze into this comments section, casting aspersions, and trying to sow chaos while contributing nothing.
CountryKnight
October 11, 2024 @ 12:52 pm
Hagphish won’t give you the answer.
I have always wondered that. How can something that has never been reported be considered factual?
Hagphish
October 11, 2024 @ 1:34 pm
I already did. You just refuse to fact check yourself.
Hagphish
October 11, 2024 @ 1:38 pm
You clearly don’t want to actually explore this topic. Go ask a woman
Strait
October 11, 2024 @ 6:38 pm
This is 2024 CK….words don’t matter anymore. If a woman gets shit-faced in a college bar and someone grab’s her ass – that’s sexual assault. That same woman can recount her story along side women who were violently raped because rape is sexual assault. Feminist love false equivalence and will make that sexual assault equal with rape.
Hence every woman has personally encountered sexual assault.
I’ve had my dick grabbed without consent, more times than I can recall. I can already hear the laughter from people thinking I would have the gall to call that sexaul assault.
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 7:22 pm
“If a woman gets shit-faced in a college bar and someone grab’s her ass – that’s sexual assault. That same woman can recount her story along side women who were violently raped because rape is sexual assault. Feminist love false equivalence and will make that sexual assault equal with rape.”
The only people making false equivalencies here is you and CountryKnight. This is not a case about some college student getting her ass grabbed and calling it rape. This is a grown, career woman who is accusing her boss of using his position of power to violently rape her. Maybe she’s lying, I have no idea. But in lieu of defense of Garth Brooks, you try to trivialize it by bringing up scenarios that have nothing to do with the matter at hand. Y’all still think it’s 2019 and you’re watching a YouTube video of a right-wing commentator going onto a college campus and trying to get college girls to act crazy and say they were raped for juicy content. This is culture war bullshit, and I don’t want to see it here. So take that shit back to YouTube, and contribute something of value to this discussion, or move on.
Strait
October 11, 2024 @ 7:52 pm
Was one of the allegations that Garth held her upside down and raped her? How the fuck is that even physically possible??!
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 8:03 pm
I don’t know, but it sounds violent, and is in no way equivalent to a college girl getting her butt grabbed. For all I know the alleged victim is crazy, lying, and out for money. And I will wait to see evidence before deciding to believe her accusations. But what I will not do is trivialize them or discount them just because I’m tired of “feminists making false equivalencies” when this has categorically nothing to do with this case.
Strait
October 11, 2024 @ 7:53 pm
and go fuck yourself you male feminist
Loretta Twitty
October 11, 2024 @ 12:22 pm
* WOMAN entered chat * Innocent until proven guilty. If she was so scared of GB,why working & spending alone time with him? Did he cheat on Trish? MAYBE. Maybe— this lady is broke,depressed & thought this was a smart way to get money. Like I mentioned before, the waiting to report & millions dollar talk makes me eye roll. I don’t feel sorry for the majority of these type cases. I know ladies who will accept a drink from a *hot guy,* but if he isn’t attractive to them, *ick, perv.*
wayne
October 11, 2024 @ 1:04 pm
Since Garth is a liberal, the media covers for him, unlike Aldean and Wallen.
Though not a fan, I certainly hope these accusations are not true, even if it was an affair.
We will probably never know the truth.
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 2:03 pm
I don’t know that I would call Garth Brooks a “liberal.” He has never broadcast any hard political affiliation, though he has taken some stances that code as being on the left.
That said, I 100% agree with you that the reporting on this matter would be completely different if it was Jason Aldean or Morgan Wallen. It would be the latest cause célèbre. Instead the usual suspects haven’t even commented on it at all.
I actually think that so far, the media has done a fair job covering this matter, being dispassionate about it, not drawing any blanket conclusions about “country music” and the behavior it condones, etc. And generally speaking, they whole matter feels like it’s been buried and barely raised a blip in the midst of hurricane news and the Presidential race.
That is why I find it wildly curious why so many are seething at the fact that someone anywhere is discussing the matter at all. That is the anomaly. Garth hasn’t lost any gigs. Nobody has moved to revoke his Gershwin Prize. Folks are just waiting back for the facts to unfold … expect for the people that are seething over the fact that the press won’t publish the victim’s name…which has already been revealed anyway, rendering the point moot.
wayne
October 11, 2024 @ 6:03 pm
I fully agree.
Luckyoldsun
October 11, 2024 @ 2:58 pm
Now that the accuser’s name is out, it’s possible to learn more about here. She’s a prominent woman in what seems like a limited universe of people who provide hair care and related services to country starts in Nashville. She worked for Trisha Yearwood and then started working for Garth. Really, how much hair and make-up work does Garth need probably very little–except when he’s doing a video or photo shoot or making a TV appearance. The guy wears T-shirts and a ball cap. He doesn’t need to be hanging out with a make-up person most of the time.
It’s unlikely that the woman simply made the whole thing up. She has a career that she probably cares about. In any event, Garth’s response has been very non specific. He says the accusations are false. But he has nowhere said that he did not proposition or touch the woman or engage in sexual or intimate activity with her. She apparently has evidence–text messages, travel logs. And damn near everything in public areas is video’d nowadays. It seems that Garth’s defense is that whatever the two of them did was consensual.
But here’s Garth’s problem: This is not just any woman. It’s a woman who was working for him. You can’t expose yourself and proposition and pressure someone who’s working for you to engage in sexual activity with you. Whether they’re an actual employee or an independent contractor. If you do that, you’re going to be liable for actual and punitive damages.
Unless Garth’s lawyers can get the case dismissed–which is unlikely–Garth is going to have to give a deposition: It could take a most of a week. Sitting there in front of a video camera and having to answer prying questions from an experienced litigator about everything he ever did with the accuser–what he said to her, where they went and what he did. And if it continues further, he’ll have to testify at a public trial.
I don’t believe Garth Brooks will ever give a deposition in this case. And he certainly will not want to appear and testify–and be cross-examined–at a TRIAL. When the time comes, his lawyers and the accuser’s lawyers will meet and they’ll settle it. They’ll file papers saying that the case is settled, the terms are confidential and the parties and the attorneys have agreed that they will make no further comments about it. They will not disclose whether any money or how much money was paid. (I’d guess that it will be a seven-figure settlement, but we won’t know.) All the people who want Garth to be deemed a rapist or the accuse to be punished for lying will have to be satisfied with their own speculation becasue the truth will never come out.
Di Harris
October 11, 2024 @ 4:52 pm
Incorrect.
Garth Brooks demands jury trial in MS court for defamation suit against Madison woman.
Per the SunHerald.
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 5:36 pm
This is an uninformed misunderstanding of how the courts work Di. Before there can be a jury trial, there has to be discovery. Then as part of discovery or after (it’s different for different states and courts), there is a deposition where the defendant must sit for a recorded interview where he will be asked lots of uncomfortable questions. He will be asked about his relationship with the accuser. He might be asked to describe his penis so the court can establish whether the accuser saw his genitalia. Luckyoldsun is correct that Garth Brooks is likely to do whatever he can to avoid getting to this point in the trial process. Just because he “demands” a jury trial doesn’t mean it will get there. 98% of court cases settle out of court.
There are a few important things to draw from the Mississippi filing. First, it’s important to understand that Garth Brooks filed suit first, not the accuser. He did so to silence the accuser, and legally bar her from speaking out publicly. Second, despite all the crying in this comments section about the anonymity of the accuser (which has already been revealed), Garth Brooks commenced this lawsuit under John Doe. So the accuser was not the only one trying to remain anonymous. Third, this was the court action where the accuser’s name was publicly revealed, which is likely to put Garth on the wrong side of the court in California, and could cause significant trouble for him if he’s in any way liable in this case.
Di Harris
October 11, 2024 @ 6:34 pm
You are wrong, Trig.
American citizens have a right to demand a jury trial, even in civil cases.
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 7:14 pm
Di,
You’re an idiot.
Di Harris
October 11, 2024 @ 5:25 pm
“And he certainly will not want to appear and testify–and be cross-examined–at a TRIAL.”
Incorrect.
Garth Brooks demands jury trial in MS court for defamation suit against Madison woman.
Per the, SunHerald.
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 7:14 pm
Di,
This is an aggressively stupid statement and flatly incorrect. It’s honestly embarrassing that you don’t know how these very basic procedures of how the courts work, and that you would parrot out a headline from a local article and think that somehow grants you intellectual superiority.
Luckoldsun is right. Garth Broooks and his lawyers do not want this to go to trial, or even to reach the deposition phase. Even if he’s innocent, it would take an embarrassing, but compartmentalized situation where the public is on his side, and pour kerosene on an everloving shitstorm. They know that. The reason they reach out to the court for relief was to hide this woman’s claims.
Indianola
October 11, 2024 @ 8:13 pm
You put up with a lot of bullshit from your commenters, Trigger.
It’s better than the other direction, I suppose. I canceled my NY Times subscription (for nearly 20 years) because they won’t publish my comments about their story selection/suppression.
Still, I don’t get why so many come to this site to argue with you. None of this is controversial, and this website is free. Did you kick their dogs or something?
Sofus
October 16, 2024 @ 1:47 pm
People comes here because it’s one of the very few sites with a complete open comment section. No registration, no validiating etc.
Makes it easy to let off some steam, making yourself recognized in a (probably) empty, angry life.
If “we” behaved ourselves this way in public, “we”‘d get our ass whipped quite often.
Trigger is actually pretty liberal with the comments he lets through. Kudos to that. If we’re spared for everything that might offence someone, we’re soon offended by everything.
rano
October 11, 2024 @ 3:05 pm
1. “Where before #MeToo the incentive was for women to remain silent since their accusations would be dismissed or ridiculed immediately” is not close to being true.
2. The 2% figure is not credible. The 10% – actually the number that I saw on Slate.com, a feminst website, was a bit higher – is more credible because it pointed out that the false accusation rate for sexual assault was roughly the same as for other crimes.
3. The percentage of underreported rape crimes is also roughly the same for other crimes that go unreported.
4. The (higher than) 10% needs context: false charges are far more common when the target of them is wealthy and/or famous. This is true for both male and female accusers and for a variety of crimes.
5. The practice of not naming rape accusers originally only applied to criminal trials in order to spur more victims to come forward. Extending it to civil trials is a more recent development and one that not everyone in the media agrees with. This is absolutely in part because of 4. as civil sexual assault charges are almost exclusively filed against people with the means to pay large judgments.
Of course, I am not making a statement on Garth Brooks’ innocence or guilt. Defending the character of a famous actor, director, producer, musician, professional athlete, politician or corporate CEO is not an activity that the percentages favor. Instead, I am merely pushing back against the propaganda disseminated by ideological interest groups. I still remember that bogus claim that domestic violence skyrockets during Monday Night Football. The NFL even cut a PSA against domestic violence – which under normal circumstances would be an excellent thing – because of that firestorm. When the “study” behind that claim was utterly debunked everyone just went hush hush and pretended that it never happened, with absolutely no one apologizing for claiming that football fans were any more inclined to misogynistic violence than romantic drama watchers.
And for the record, I am someone who believes that rape should be a capital crime. Yes, I know that a lot of people oppose capital punishment, and increasingly even oppose life prison sentences. But if capital crimes are going to exist, rape should absolutely be in that category. So do not mistake me as some apologist for among the worst of depraved violent criminals.
WuK
October 11, 2024 @ 4:11 pm
There are only 2 that know the truth. Garth and his accuser. The allegations surprise me and there are obvious weaknesses in her allegations but who knows? The allegations have been made and denied, further than that, let the courts sort. It is dangerous to speculate,
Strait
October 11, 2024 @ 5:57 pm
It’s politically tainted because people on the Left do not care if sexual assault allegations against conservatives are complete fabrications. (ex: Blasie Ford – Brett Kavanaugh, E. Jean Carroll & Trump)
Yes I am aware that Garth Brooks is a liberal. Famous rich people are targets for extortion of false allegations that are not in line with the overall %’s of false rape and sexual assualt allegations.
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 7:44 pm
The rape accusations against Garth Brooks have nothing to do with politics, nor does this story, nor does this website. Any other comments of a political nature will be deleted.
JB
October 11, 2024 @ 6:59 pm
First off, sorry for my last comment (for anyone keeping track) calling people nut jobs.
But the amount of people on this site consistently and zealously defending people accused of sexual assault and attacking, at least implicitly, people who claim to be victims…it’s just bonkers. I didn’t want to say “weird” because that seems too political these days.
Doug Carter
October 11, 2024 @ 7:19 pm
Jesus H. Christ on fucking horseback. Country Knight (what is YOUR name Mr. Anonymity is Bad?), and others, be honest. Your primary concern is that men will not be running the show much longer. You say all of this bullshit about equality, but it’s a ruse for your fear of true equality. You want a patriarchy. Be honest. Whether or not accusers should be named is an arguable point, but that isn’t your true agenda. Anything that lessens men’s power threatens you.
CountryKnight
October 13, 2024 @ 12:01 pm
Your pathetic attempt at calling out hypocrisy would be credible if I were accusing someone of a crime. I am not.
As for the rest of your sermonizing, get some sun.
Joe Johnson
October 13, 2024 @ 5:02 pm
Doug Carter is upset that you won’t use you real name so he can have you fired from your job for disagreeing with his boomtarded political beliefs.
CountryKnight
October 13, 2024 @ 5:19 pm
He hit all the low points. Religious slur, false equivalency, and dime store psychology.
A true member of his cause.
Doug Carter
October 13, 2024 @ 7:52 pm
In respect to Kyle not wanting back and for inanity, I vowed to not reply, but Joe has forced my hand. I have no interest in getting anyone fired. A rando’s employment doesn’t affect me. I did chuckle at your use of “boomtarded.” Be strong and use the word you meant. Anonymous CK, Jesus H. Christ on fucking horseback is not a religious slur. It’s a very old expression. My dad was born in 1906, was a Christian, said it often, as did other folks. I agree with your false equivalency. You are not accusing anyone of a crime. But honestly, why not use your name? Be strong in your righteousness. No dime store psychology. You want white Christian men in charge of the USA. Be strong and admit it. Simple. Good night from the PNW. To channel the random musings of Di Harris, my wife and I were in bliss watching 3 deer munch on rose and nectarine leaves for several minutes this morning. Life is a wonder. Let people be happy, Joe, CK and others.
Trigger
October 11, 2024 @ 7:42 pm
FYI,
Any more comments that are nothing more than diatribes trivializing rape will be immediately deleted, and if they continue to persist, this comments section will be closed.
SixtyThreeGuild
October 11, 2024 @ 8:41 pm
Going through this comment reinforces why many victims of sexual crimes don’t come forward with their accusations and stay silent. Do better folks
Jimmy
October 13, 2024 @ 10:54 am
When women claim to be a sex crime victim (and this woman very well could be) but don’t go to the authorities and demand justice and instead of $$$$$$$, it’s a red flag. Many real victims don’t set out for a payday, they want the person in prison where they belong. If Brooks is guilty, he should do time not get off because he can buy his way out of it. If the woman is lying, she needs to be held accountable, as well.
SixtyThreeGuild
October 13, 2024 @ 11:19 am
Sometimes due to statue of limitations, civil trials are the only recourse so its not as much of a red flag as you are making it to be, not to say that doesn’t happen, but it could be the reason.
Pete Berwick
October 12, 2024 @ 10:33 am
And the thunder rolls…
Luckyoldsun
October 12, 2024 @ 11:01 am
What Garth’s attorneys may do next is move to dismiss the accuser’s California action on the grounds that her claim should be made as a counter to and joined with the Federal action that Garth already filed in Mississippi.
Garth sued the accuser for defamation. The core issue in the defamation case will be whether the sexual assaults actually occurred–because truth would be the main defense. If Garth sexuall assaulted the woman, then she did not defame him. If he did not assault her, then she defamed–and also attempted to extort him.
It would be insane to have both actions move forward–and the same issues be litigated in state and federal courts in opposite ends of the country, and with the possibility of contradictory outcomes ensuing.
All this means is that the case could drag on for a long time before they even get to taking depositions and moving toward trial.
I.M. Brute
October 12, 2024 @ 12:53 pm
So Trigger, you’ve chosen not to name the accuser, eh? They say the name is out there, but must I go to the “Dark Web” to find it? Because I can’t seem to find it anywhere else. I’ll go back through the comments in a minute to see if any of your commenters have revealed it.
There’s something un-American about anonymous accusers bringing forth serious charges. Seems rather “Soviet” to me.
Trigger
October 12, 2024 @ 1:43 pm
Let’s understand a few things here:
1. There is no “anonymous accuser.” Due to the 6th Amendment, any defendant is allowed by law to know who their accuser is. Garth Brooks knows his accuser is. His lawyers know who his accuser is. The courts know who his accuser is. That is all that’s required.
2. The name of Garth’s accuser was leaked to the public purposely in a legal filing days ago, so all of this seething and hand-wringing that has happened in this comments section over the “anonymous accuser” is 100% irrelevant and moot. That ship has sailed. It’s over. The people screaming that we must know her name, they have won. And the exchange for that short-lived victory is a greater likelihood that Garth Brooks will lose bigger war according to all the legal experts that have spoken on the matter. It will put Garth on the wrong side of the courts, hurt the public sentiment behind him, and could make him more legally liable as this process moves forward if he is found to have in any way lied or hidden what happened between him and the accuser.
3. Even though the accuser’s name was divulged in Garth’s legal filing, not a single legitimate media outlet has published it, nor will they ever publish it, because it is against every single norm and policy of any reputable media outlet. The idea that Saving Country Music is going out-of-bounds or actively lobbying for the alleged victim by not publishing her name is to so grossly misunderstand the situation to the point of embarrassment. And if I did publish her name, it would immediately become a national media story, especially with the INSANITY that is illustrated in numerous comments on this website about this matter.
4. The fact that people are STILL arguing about the “anonymous accuser” days after her name was publicly divulged by the Garth Brooks legal team speaks to a severe level of mental illness brought on by extreme political ideology. I directly fear for the life and safety of the accuser after seeing the comments that have been left on this website, and wouldn’t be surprised if they end up in a court of law as evidence to the insanity that has ensued by Garth’s court filing. I am honestly afraid I will receive threats, abuse, and retribution simply for following the common protocols for how to handle the names of alleged rape victims. That is the madness that is swirling around this situation, and it is ALL coming from Garth defenders, while the regular actors advocating for victim’s rights basically sit on the sideline, and patiently wait for the legal process to play out.
5. Let’s appreciate that this entire legal proceeding commenced not with Garth being sued for rape and sexual assault, but with Garth Brooks suing the accuser to keep her silent, and using an anonymous name, John Doe, to do it. So if you’re against anonymity, bring it up with Garth as well.
Lee
October 12, 2024 @ 1:34 pm
Thank you of writing this, Trigger.
Naturesbou
October 12, 2024 @ 1:37 pm
It’s sad but the dudes who seem to be the most dismissive of the victims accusations, are just as quick to their judgement as the so called “feminists “. Funny sad but great write up, trigger.
Bear
October 12, 2024 @ 1:48 pm
Speaking of women in country I’m sure we all remember the death threats lobbed at the Dixie Chicks for using free speech on foreign soil. And that is just one instance of country music establishments’ (and the public’s) attitude when it comes to women in country.
Another is K.T. Oslin and her song “Younger Men” that was banned from radio and thus did not become the hit it should have because the woman in the song was too assertive chasing young men.
Anyway, I like Garth’s music fine and these allegations true or false are a mess if the Depp trial taught us anything.
Luckyoldsun
October 12, 2024 @ 8:26 pm
K.T. Oslin got started in country music well into her 40s after working mostly as an understudy/ fill-in on Broadway musicals in New York and managed to score as an artist with a acknowledged anthem “80s Ladies” and four #1 singles, three gold albums, and won a CMA for “Female Vocalist of the Year.” And she accomplished that while suffering with mental health/depression issues that at times made it difficult for her to perform.
Amazing that someone could take one K.T. Oslin single that radio took a pass on use that as evidence of a hostile “attitude when it comes to women in country” on the part of the establishment. Maybe the record just didn’t test well. Oslin is in many ways one of the great feel-good stories in country music history. Close to a Hall-of-Famer, if her career had lasted a bit longer. (She did make the Nashville Songrwriter’s H-o-F.)
Jimmy the Black
October 12, 2024 @ 3:26 pm
Public Image != Actual Character
Some of you need to get a grip. While I await him being found guilty or innocent by a jury of his peers (if it gets that far), there could also be some truth behind the accusations. Don’t forget… Jimmie Allen denied it all… Harvey Weinstein denied it all… Jeffrey Epstein denied it all… Ghislaine Maxwell has denied it all… Hunter Biden denied it all…
Public image and the actual person are night and day different and someone in Garth Brooks’ business has a carefully crafted one.
But I am not judging him here. I have no way to judge because I was not there, just like literally no one in these replies was there. Especially those of you defending him as though he is God incarnate, walking the Earth again and always being perfect.
The name of the accuser shouldn’t be published. It is in poor taste both in a journalistic sense as well as a very moral sense. It doesn’t help anything to keep plastering a potential victims name all over creation.
Trigger is basically trying to pen these articles in a neutral way, as he usually does, by simply presenting facts and laying out the speculation floating around the rumor mill about this particular news. Not sure why Trig is getting what seems like a bit of backlash for reporting, or under reporting it according certain people, but shooting messengers never gets anyone anywhere.
Trig has also rightfully stressed that none of us should be rushing to judgment on EITHER side of this. Respect the accuser until their story is proved false at which point you can rightfully express your displeasure, but continue to respect them if it proves true because minimizing this behavior encourages it in the entertainment industry and as I am sure all of you can agree, this is not only bad but it needs to stop.
TL;DR
Trigger is doing the right thing. Stop pretending public image is the same as personal character (none of you lives with him). Quit being so quick to defend before you know any of the actual evidence which will be provided later. Discovery is a process.
Trig will likely disagree with a lot of what I say here, but he doesn’t deserve the shit sandwiches being fed to him over not publishing names.
wayne
October 12, 2024 @ 4:55 pm
Trigger’s reporting of this issue should be copied by media outlets. Not looking for kudos here, but the way Trigger has presented this is as fine a post as he’s ever made on a hot-button issue.
goldenglamourboybradyblocker71
October 12, 2024 @ 7:54 pm
We wonder if merely the accusations will torpedo Brooks’ career;in the meantime we should let this case be adjudicated in court,should it come to that reckoning.
Desolation73
October 13, 2024 @ 1:28 am
Really if you are actually innocent until proven guilty articles like this shouldnt even be written and before social media came along they wouldnt be, social media makes lots of us comment on things we would normally keep to ourselves or too a select few, its the very downside of social media where peoples names get slandered and there isnt in most cases any proof. Most of what Trigger writes is really interesting especially his reviews but sometimes when he veers off in other directions he doesnt seem to think before he writes stuff. I dont think these cases should become newsworthy until theres actually proof against a person if you write about a case before that then its in danger of being slanderous. If we really did live in a land where you are innocent until proven guilty a person accused of such things wouldnt have their name in the public domain until after a conviction. Plenty of cases have been dismissed after someone has been outed and their careers have never recovered after.
Trigger
October 13, 2024 @ 8:57 am
So what you’re saying is that if someone is accused of RAPE in a community, RAPE, that the press should ignore it? That seems to me to be the seat of irresponsibility. Conversely, it is the OBLIGATION of the press to cover that information.
As I illustrated in the article, I personally have reported on multiple people within the country music community in DJ Justin Frazell, Jimmie Allen, and Nelly, who all went on to be accused of rape/sexual assault again after the initial accusation of rape came out. In fact, that’s what happens more times than not. More times than not, if someone has raped somebody, they’re likely to rape again, especially if they get away with it the first time.
Do the people making these statements that this is not newsworthy and the press shouldn’t cover it have daughters, wives, sisters, mothers, and nieces? What would you want to press to do if they allegedly got raped? You’d probably want the press to report on it as opposed to ignore it, and you would probably also want them to protect the alleged victim’s name.
If there was an alleged rapist in your community, wouldn’t you want to know about to protect your family? Or would you not want to hear about it until the rapist was caught, tried, and convicted, and only then, which may take longer (and more people got raped) because the public wasn’t alerted?
“social media makes lots of us comment on things we would normally keep to ourselves or too a select few.”
Interestingly, the link to this article on Facebook has one comment.
https://www.facebook.com/SavingCountryMusic
On X/Twitter, it has ZERO comments.
https://x.com/KyleCoroneos
This will be the 84th comment on this website.
“Most of what Trigger writes is really interesting especially his reviews but sometimes when he veers off in other directions he doesnt seem to think before he writes stuff.”
The underlying point of this entire article was to emphasize how muted and measured the response from the media has been to this matter compared to the mania that ensued after other much less consequential things such as the Morgan Wallen N-word incident, or the supposed snubbing of Beyonce at awards shows. It was also to illustrate how since Garth Brooks has only been accused by one woman and it does NOT fit a pattern of behavior, he should be afforded this grace until more information comes out. Morgan Wallen and Jimmie Allen were dropped from radio, dropped from shows and festivals, suspended from their labels/management, etc. So far, Garth has faced no similar repercussions. That’s what this article was about.
I honestly don’t want to come across like I am talking down to folks about this matter. I appreciate that people are coming here to voice their concerns. But what people are really asking for is for Garth Brooks to be treated differently than any other person ever placed in this scenario because they either like him or his music, or because he’s a celebrity. And that’s just not the way these things happen. That would be changing the rules for Garth, and that is what would be irresponsible by the press.
David:The Duke of Everything
October 13, 2024 @ 8:25 am
Therr is no way to keep this stuff out of the public domain. News gets around. But then everyone starts wondering why people werent covering it. Were they trying to protect the person. There is no way of doing it that is right all the way around. Far as mr. Brooks. He will be just fine. Just going by this small group of commenters, most wont ever think he did anything wrong. Since this will all probably be settled out of court in some fashion, nothing will happen to change their minds.
Trigger
October 13, 2024 @ 8:57 am
Good comment.
goldenglamourboybradyblocker71
October 13, 2024 @ 10:54 am
Once again,Trigger,the thread’s voice of reason !
I.M. Brute
October 13, 2024 @ 2:40 pm
Hey Trigger, as long as we’re gonna keep the accuser anonymous, why not keep the whole thing anonymous, like Garth Brooks’ name, for instance? Let the whole thing be settled out of the public eye!
Trigger
October 13, 2024 @ 5:57 pm
I.M. Brute,
I honestly don’t mean to come across as pedantic here, but this point is not worth arguing anymore because the name has already been divulged. It’s over. That ship sailed. In a very purposeful manner, the Garth Brooks team put the name into the public record.
I’m not going to divulge it here, because if I did, I would be the only outlet in the world to do so, and it would be used as a vector of attack on this website, it’s mission, and my integrity, as it probably should be. Maybe in the future it will be reported here, but only when it is relevant to the information.
I understand the perspective of people saying that it’s not fair that Garth’s name was used, and hers wasn’t. I understand that it feels inequitable to Garth Brooks. But he’s Garth Brooks. He’s made of money. He can hire an army of lawyers to address this problem for him, which he already has. Before the accuser ever brought suit against Garth, he brought suit against her. Garth is asking for AT LEAST $75,000 in damages over this matter, and if the accuser is found to be lying, she will face significant consequences.
This whole thing is likely to take two years to resolve. Let’s all show a little patience and grace to all parties.
Adam S
October 14, 2024 @ 7:42 am
Pretty good article. I don’t think anyone should be surprised by the comments made here. This is the community the triggerman has fostered and empowered. I’m glad you’re finally starting to understand the repercussions of your uneven moderation strategy, although I’m sad it’s gotten to this point.
WH
October 14, 2024 @ 8:33 am
I just want to say one thing that has been overlooked by all:
There is a lady who has LONG been Trisha’s preferred makeup artist. She’s done a lot of stuff for Garth as well, including tours. Her name is basically in the credits on every single Trisha album, When these allegations first game out, people on forums and on Twitter and other places were automatically assuming that this was her and posting her name and everything out there.
Her name was everywhere after this came out and she’s NOT the accuser. I feel sorry for her getting name dragged in the mud by a bunch of Internet sleuths. She had nothing to do with this on either side.
There’s a side of me that feels by naming the accuser, especially if he’s completely innocent with nothing to lose here, Garth’s team is also protecting this other woman who has an obvious long relationship and likely close friendship with his wife.
Joey
October 15, 2024 @ 7:09 am
This doesn’t surprise me in the least. His nice guy, simpleton persona is as fake as the “country” music his producer shills have regurgitated out for years on end.
Brett Dale
October 17, 2024 @ 10:26 pm
Me too was born out of female rape victims saying me too. No one else has come forward.
beatin dem skins BOOM BOOM
October 30, 2024 @ 1:24 pm
Hey DUDE mr. trigger, if you’re going to deny being actually triggered by the truth, why not try doing it without lisping and drooling ?